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Watching the interviews of instructors on Jeff Watt's youtube channel made me realize one thing:

even THESE absolute gods struggle to get by and pay the bills. we are fucked. we are all fucked. art is a thoroughly worthless pursuit. i should have become an engineer. would still allow you to become a better artist despite not being able to commit to it 100%. but you would make up for that in mental health, expendable income, early retirement, lotsa savings, a loving wife and family to motivate you and provide creative stimulus (good luck starting a family as an artist, much less finding a remotely wifeable woman)

all art is garbage. you are all fucked. i'm fucked. i hate you for not talking me out of this.

>> No.2132909

>>2132903
Quit please so I have less competition.

>> No.2132910

>>2132903
I wouldn't call the teachers at Watts "absolute gods". Realize too that they are A) in fine arts which is fickle and can be difficult to make money off of, and B) choose to spend much of their time teaching at a school that prides itself on affordability and low costs.

If you are pursuing art solely for monetary rewards, then yes it is a foolish thing to do because, while it is possible to get rich off it, the likelihood of making lots of money is low and it takes years to reach that point.

>> No.2132923

>>2132903
Most professional artists I know are married and have a family and make a comfortable living. Sakimichan makes more money per year than the entire teaching staff of Watts Atlier combined. Nowadays loads of mediocre artists are making more money with fanart and webcomics than established art directors are making thanks to patreon. This is the best time to ever be alive to become a professional artist.

There is nothing wrong with the dream, the problem is that you were the one dreaming it. You are the kind of person who will never succeed in anything you do. You will always be a defeatist loser, whether that is as engineer, artist, garbage man, office worker... it doesn't matter, it's you that is the problem.

>> No.2132930

> actually pursuing a job in the arts as a stable career in 2015

Just keep it art a hobby And pursue something worth while. You'll thank me later.

>> No.2132934

>>2132903
>we are all fucked. art is a thoroughly worthless pursuit.
I knew it from the start.
I HAVE NO REGRETS

>> No.2132952

>>2132930
having a successful career in art is easier than it ever was before. Frustrated noobs really need to start dealing with the reality that it's not the industry that's the problem. There are just so many successful artists everywhere, your argument completely falls apart.

>> No.2132966

You are correct, OP. Give it up if you have the chance.

>> No.2132982 [DELETED] 

Fantasy illustration is an over saturated field. Anyone with eyes and an internet connection can see that. Unfortunately most people are lacking a brain, because there are many other easier avenues of illustration to pursue. They don't involve space marines and dragon priestesses.

>> No.2133003

>>2132952

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.2133030

I dunno, i decided to go for an art career because
A) I'm lazy
B) Art is the only think I'm remotely interested in
C) I do a lot of drugs
Even if i struggle to pay bills, its better than working at taco bell

>> No.2133038

>>2132952
>>2132952

This. Loads of people want to be freelance illustrators, but they just focus on the illustration part and completely neglect the freelancing side of things. Learning to find and maintain good work is a skill that needs to be learned and practiced just like illustration.

Unfortunately, no one on this board can envision a career in illustration that doesn't involve drawing space marines and dragon priestesses.

>> No.2133045

>>2133038
The freelance side is tough. People don't teach you how to to deal with clients, contracts, payments, negotiation, finding work etc.

I've only been able to scrape by due to trial and error and some help from people already in the industry.

>> No.2133080

If you want to get into art, and still make money at something technical there are a few options. Architecture design can be an artistic and creative outlet in the right areas and is still very lucrative if you can learn the math that powers it.

3d is also an art dependant technical field. While it is flooded with entry level modellers, learn one of the more nuanced aspects like rigging or animation and you will be fine. Most 3d jobs involve a ton of artwork and working with other artists so that can be rewarding. Just avoid major studios, they pay shit and are a nightmare to work for.

>> No.2133090

>>2133080
Also do not go to the 3d board on 4chan if you want to be excited about 3d as art. They are miserable people who just model assault rifles mostly.

Go to somewhere like zbrushcentral.com or some other major 3d forum and see some pros sculpts and stuff. It is real art

>> No.2133110

If you started drawing with an end goal of getting rich off of it you're an idiot.

This is coming from a hobbyist who chose an equally economically useless pursuit as my passion (history), but I didn't pursue it planning to roll in cash.

>> No.2133127

>>2133110

rich?? who the fuck said anything about becoming rich fuck face? I'd be happy with 14k a year. good luck scraping THAT together doing art.

>> No.2133135

In case it isn't blatantly obvious already, this is a troll thread. Do not waste your time convincing OP that he is a phenomenally retarded individual. Never let your jimmies get rustled on /ic/.

>> No.2133139

>>2133127
What? That's very doable. I'm shit at business and marketing myself and make about that with art.

>> No.2133188

>>2133139
Post your art!

>> No.2133222

>>2133090
>Also do not go to the /ic/ board on 4chan if you want to be excited about 2d as art. They are miserable people who just draw assault rifles mostly.

>Go to somewhere like ConceptArt.org or some other major 2d forum and see some pros draw and stuff. It is real art

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2133397

80s pornstache Vilppu gonna whoop all your asses.

>> No.2133408

>tfw you only do commissions to buy lottery tickets
>support yourself with a normal day job
>enjoy art as a hobby

>> No.2133502

>>2132903
Its not like I choose to desire an art career, its that I failed disastrously in anything that wasn't drawing
consider that I'm not even that good, and you got the picture on how suicidal would have been to continue trying with normal jobs

>> No.2133520

>engineer fairy thread again
Can you stop making them already?