Alternative Art/Stylization General

[Anonymous No.2086825]

"To any man who has slaved to acquire skill in his art, it is most irritating to have his ability referred to as a gift. Perhaps there is one genius in a hundred years or more who can achieve perfection by divine inspiration. I have never met such a man, and I do not know any successful artist who did not get there by the sweat of his brow."

Previous Thread: >>2080784

A general message to aspiring artists: "Lack of knowledge can be greater torture than the effort of acquiring it. When all is said and done, nature is your best instructor."

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "Daily reminder that Artists can now make up to 20k biweekly"

[Anonymous No.2086838]

>>2086825
>starting the thread with stylized art
disgraceful

[Anonymous No.2086985]

>>2086838

>Alternative Art/Stylization General

can't tell if trolling or legit retard

[Anonymous No.2087089]

How many followers and views do you have on your Pixiv?

[Anonymous No.2087213]

>>2086838

[Anonymous No.2087235]

posting here too because i think im in the relm between "realistic drawing" and glorious "Stylization drawing"

[Anonymous No.2087448]

>>2087235
Ooh this is nice. I've probably drawn more 'lecture' drawings than anything else and I still really enjoy yours.
Illustration student?

[Anonymous No.2087457]

wiperino

[Anonymous No.2087464]

>>2087457
Learn about anatomy/proportions, perspective and values.
Where is the light source coming from?

[Anonymous No.2087472]

>>2087448
ceramics, but i guess thats in the ball park.

[Anonymous No.2087478]

>>2086825
Having my image be used for the OP is more embarrassing than I thought.

Here's one from last night.

[Anonymous No.2087512]

>>2087478
>visits tumblr
>that severe inconsistency

Jesus fuck dude, What the hell?

[Anonymous No.2087514]

>>2087478
What is that purple stuff in the Op pic?

I really like your art btw

[Anonymous No.2087518]

>>2087512
I just use it to dump my art. In any case, I don't actually get how people visit tumblr because the interface is so unintuitive. As for the inconsistency, I can definitely see that-- I've only been painting for 3 months so I have been trying a lot of different things. I'm just never comfortable for some reason, I feel really loss when I color. It's something I definitely need to work on.

>>2087514
nigga its a dragon dildo

[Anonymous No.2087538]

>>2087518
>I've only been painting for 3 months

Give the "kawaii uguu" garbage a rest and grind out fundamentals m8. Nothing wrong with anime but right now you're shit feels hella vapid and empty.

[Anonymous No.2087540]

>>2087538
get a load of that faggot

[Anonymous No.2087542]

>>2087538
I'm sorry you feel that way. And that has been the plan from the beginning-- I hope to one day change your mind.

[Anonymous No.2087544]

>>2087538
>work on your fundamentals
>literally saying practice

lol now this is garbage crit

[Anonymous No.2087549]

>>2087538
If it's true that he's been practicing for only 3 months, he is quite clearly grinding his fundamentals already.

[Anonymous No.2087564]

>>2087549

Or relying heavily on referencing for his finished pieces. The point is don't be pic related.

[Anonymous No.2087566]

>>2087518
How did you git so gud in only 3 months?

[Anonymous No.2087569]

>>2087566

Lot's of practice and drawing, I'm guessing.

I find that a lot of people on /ic/ are just afraid of making mistakes so they just revert to doing studies or copying pictures or whatever. Not saying that isn't helpful, because it is and you will eventually git gud, but if you want to git gud faster you need to draw and fuck around with shit, and use study as a way of figuring out the parts you fucked up. You can't skip the making mistakes part and expect it to help all that much.

[Anonymous No.2087571]

>>2087549
>he is quite clearly grinding his fundamentals already.

Not with that inconsistency

[Anonymous No.2087576]

>>2087549
>>2087564
>>2087566
>>2087569
>>2087571


>>2087518
>I've only been painting for 3 months
>painting

r u all fucking retarded hes obviously been drawing for longer

[Anonymous No.2087580]

>>2087571
>Not with that inconsistency

What the fuck are you talking about? Looking at his page, he obviously is consistent with his drawings. Some renderings are different, but as he said, he was trying out different things. Other than that, everything looks the absolute same, you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.2087582]

>>2087564
still better than mullins photobash

[Anonymous No.2087583]

>>2087580
>Looking at his page, he obviously is consistent with his drawings

Having your trashy eyes must be suffering, anon. I'll pray for you.

[Anonymous No.2087597]

>>2087564
i wish my stuff was good enough to be mistaken for a paintover

>>2087566
I'm really not good, trust me. Though if u still want to know what I did, it was just what >>2087569 said.

>>2087576
Yeah it's completely different when working with color. It's been a lot of fun really, definitely more time consuming because there's so many things to consider concurrently. The amount of time you put into it also shows through the work. That /cgl/ picture I did in 2 hours on my tumblr is such ass cause over 0 planning and no rough. The better stuff, meanwhile, has taken on average 7-8 hours. I'm excited to see what kind of stuff I can make once I reach 20+ hours-- though I think I'm not quite at the skill level to start those kind of projects yet.

In any case, I am working on fundamentals so I think it's a moot point to argue further about it (especially when I'm not even the one doing the arguing). Yall niggas gettin riled up over nothing.

[Anonymous No.2087602]

>>2087597
>Yall niggas gettin riled up over nothing.

Welcome to /ic/. Niggas here are as catty as the bitches over at /cgl/. Only difference is the subject is traditional/digital art and not cosplay.

[Anonymous No.2087604]

>>2087602
>Welcome to /ic/.

Nigga 4chan is just as catty, hostile, and argumentative. Except for places like /po/ because it's just fucking paper, what is there to bitch about?

[Anonymous No.2087605]

>>2087597
so how long have you been drawing, then?

[Anonymous No.2087606]

>>2087089
1050 followers, 140k views

[Anonymous No.2087609]

>>2087564
>do paintover
>fuck up the eye placement
toppest of keks

[Anonymous No.2087613]

>>2087605
I guess you could say I first started trying to draw 8 years ago? It was all really bad though.Then I stopped for years cause I lost my wacom pen and couldn't be bothered to buy a new tablet. I eventually got one of those cheap chinese tablets 5 months ago and have been trying to do stuff in my spare time since.

This probably didn't answer the question very well since I'm not even really sure how to convey "effective" time spent drawing.

[Anonymous No.2087681]

>>2087604
You'd be surprised. I think I recall there being some kind of troll on there that kept on spamming things and trying to shit up the place. sage for off-topic

[Anonymous No.2087692]

WIP

Working on cleaning up the lineart.

Figured I'd post it here for some anatomy critique and anything else you can throw at me while I'm still working on it

Plan on having it finished by today. It's for some forum weekly contest. Though I'm already past the due date, but I figured I'd finish it to make something good.

[Anonymous No.2087696]

>>2086985
Rare?

[Anonymous No.2087742]

highwayman

[Anonymous No.2087747]

>>2087742
Looks like my silat teacher when he was younger.

[Anonymous No.2087758]

[Anonymous No.2087841]

>>2087235
Your lecture room looks exactly the same as mine. Where are you studying?

[Anonymous No.2087846]

Crit plz
I think i fucked up the lighting

[Anonymous No.2087850]

>>2087846
Jolyne's head looks weird and where's her left foot?

[Anonymous No.2087864]

Update

[Anonymous No.2087877]

>>2087864
Unless she's an alien or something, the bridge of her nose shouldn't be that wide. Nostril area and mouth look flat. Gross ear.

[Anonymous No.2087884]

>>2087877
Alright thanks. I see some other bigger mistakes (like the collar being rather flat).
Anyway, I agree, the ear looks dsigusting. I fixed the bridge and it already looks way way better. Thank you dearest anon for this bash.

[Pleb No.2087898]

No idea where i'm going with this

[Anonymous No.2087900]

>>2087898
How about a Bra?

[Pleb No.2087902]

>>2087900
I guess I could give her a bra or something that covers the chest area

[Anonymous No.2087903]

>>2087900
How about you criticize her glaringly wonky arm anatomy instead of subject matter?

[Anonymous No.2087908]

>>2087900
No bra, tits are great.

>>2087898
That purple thing around the skull you drew looks like a collar. I think it would look cool drawn on that chick.

[Pleb No.2087910]

>>2087903
>glaringly wonky arm anatomy
What do you mean friend? let me know So can fix it

[Anonymous No.2087920]

>>2087910
It's way too long and looks mangled. Consult a ref.

[Anonymous No.2087924]

>>2087920
Seconding this.

Her extended arm is a tad too long. He didn't have to be such an asshole about it though.

Anyway.

Progress is... slow.

Crit?

[Anonymous No.2087926]

>>2087924
There's all of things wrong in this.
Like Piccolo's first lacking force.
Weird faces, why no use the original style? That style is too western.
And too messy lineart for that kind of style.

[Anonymous No.2087933]

>>2087926
Because the objective was "draw a Dragonball character, lineart only, your own style"

As for the second, Lineart is being polished. WIP still.

And Piccolo isn't making a fist. Though that would have been better tbh... Too late now.

[Anonymous No.2087938]

>>2087742
he's gonna make ends meet

[Anonymous No.2087940]

>>2087933
> your own style
That's a bummer, but in any case, Bulma's face is too weird in that angle.
And you should make a sketch, THEN a final lineart, not improvise.

[Anonymous No.2087947]

>>2087940
I did sketch it, on paper, then I scanned it over and traced it it PS.

What exactly looks weird about Bulma's face? I guess she looks older than 16, but since "my style" is something that's in the works. I just used Calliope as reference for how I'd draw someone else's character.

[Anonymous No.2087956]

>>2087947
She doesn't look older than 16. The perspective is off. Her features are misaligned.

[Anonymous No.2087974]

>>2087947
Even if it's your style, women have delicate features, plus, the perspective is off etc.

[Anonymous No.2087982]

>>2087956
I flipped the canvas. I see what you mean about her features and perspective. It throws everything off. I'll see what I can do.

[Anonymous No.2087988]

>>2087956
>>2087974
Alright...

Very subtle changes, but it seems to look fine when I flip back and forth.

Better?

[Anonymous No.2087993]

>>2087988
The ears are too far from her eyes, her jaw too wide, the neck's angle makes it look fat.
Follow >>2087974 's example.

[Anonymous No.2087996]

>>2087993
Like this?

Fixed the ear/hairline

Not sure how I feel about the neck though. I mean, if she's looking backward, I don't think it' tilt forward like that.

[Anonymous No.2088001]

>>2087988
Eyes and lips majorly lack depth. Mouth doesn't align with nose.

[Anonymous No.2088011]

>>2087996
It's not tilting forward, it's just the fact that it connects to the lower jaw in a smooth way.
And your lower jaw, mouth and ear placement is still weird. Move the whole hairline closer and decrease the angle of the jaw. >>2087974 is how it should kinda look in your style.

[Anonymous No.2088019]

>>2088011
>>2088001
Alright.

I changed a few things based on your pointers, like the mouth, the jaw, the ear and the hairline, but also left some other things in due to aesthetic preference and "muh style"

I don't wanna make the face too narrow, since I tend to like giving females more square and "flatter" (Asian-looking) faces.

As for the neck, it just looks really weird for me if I move it to the angle you suggest, so I changed it back. You're right in how it connects, but in order to get it totally right I'd need to redraw a fair portion of the head. I feel that I can leave a few things anatomically incorrect so long as it's aestheically pleasing. I've flipped the canvas over a few times, and she looks great (to me) on both views, and that's what matters.

Thanks for all the help though, she looks much better now.

[Anonymous No.2088020]

Didnt have time to clean up the lineart today.

[Anonymous No.2088023]

>>2088020
fixed the eyes for you.

[Anonymous No.2088032]

>>2088023
>but muh foreshortening!

yea you are right, it looks better

[Anonymous No.2088033]

>>2087850
How about now?

[Anonymous No.2088034]

>>2088032
Eyes change in width when you start to move them in perspective. Anime does the weird thing of scaling the entire eye down, when the height stays the same and only the width changes in actuality.

[Anonymous No.2088038]

>>2088034
oh wow, you are right! i never realised that until you pointed it out. thanks

[Anonymous No.2088042]

>>2088034
>when the height stays the same and only the width changes in actuality.
But that's false.
The entire thing does scale down due to being further away, but it's a small amount unlike >>2088020
The angle has a more noticeable effect.

[Anonymous No.2088043]

>>2088042
The height would only scale down noticeably if you were very close to the face and used a fish eye lens or something.

[Anonymous No.2088046]

>>2088043
Well that's a whole other thing, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.2088047]

>>2088020
Could somebody please redline the legs for me? The more i look at it, the more i notice i have no idea what im drawing.

[Anonymous No.2088059]

>>2088033
Everything look good imo, EXCEPT for Jolyne's face. I think the mouth is too high. and ears a bit small and far from the eyes.

[Anonymous No.2088061]

>>2088033
why are you working at such a low resolution?

[Anonymous No.2088062]

>>2088043
man i love louis ck

[Anonymous No.2088064]

>>2088059
Alright, I'll rework her face, thanks!

>>2088061
Shitty screenshot.

[Anonymous No.2088084]

>>2086985
last thread pic wasnt stylized

[Anonymous No.2088088]

>>2087742
kneet karambit did u buy it?

[Anonymous No.2088260]

>>2087692
I like this style better than Toriyama's.

[Anonymous No.2088264]

>>2088260
That's heresy and you're also blind

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2088265]

Used >>2084738 as reference.

[Anonymous No.2088276]

>>2088260
You're insane.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2088277]

Used >>2084738 as reference

[Anonymous No.2088301]

>>2088277
This is quite adorable.

[Anonymous No.2088304]

>>2088301
Yeah, for you.

[Anonymous No.2088319]

>>2088277
You should have went for the original head rotation where its almost profile instead of going back to generic 3/4

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2088353]

>>2088301
Thanks

>>2088319
Yeah, I suppose.

fwiw I just wanted to use the reference very loosely but I fucked up her lips and probably something else by doing that. I will try to fix it if I decide to put some color on it.

Pic is progress from >>2085369

[Anonymous No.2088359]

...

[Anonymous No.2088365]

>>2088353
Once again you're not thinking in 3D. Study faces. Don't just blindly copy. That right eye is sliding below her cheekbone, for fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.2088425]

>>2087841
in australia.
would you like to know more?

[Anonymous No.2088518]

>>2088353

[Anonymous No.2088539]

>>2088353
>>2088518
perspective is wrong, look her right cheek and then look the left one.
the shape/design of the eye is not the same for both eyes.
Be aware of symetry/centerline
be aware of the body underneath the clothes and the same with the top of the head under the hair
And with cellshade skin i would use a more saturated version of the base color and not more than 1 or 2 values darker

[Anonymous No.2088540]

>>2087956
>She doesn't look older than 16
so

[Anonymous No.2088542]

>>2088539
I'm not >>2088353 , I just did a crappy edit, I know all that stuff.
You also made her look on drugs.

[Anonymous No.2088546]

>>2088542

>You also made her look on drugs.
>going to wonderland
>not on drugs
pick one

>I just did a crappy edit, I know all that stuff
then why did you did a crappy edit?

[Anonymous No.2088554]

>>2088518
Looks better than >>2088539 's crackwhore.

[Anonymous No.2088647]

>>2088353
>>2088518
>>2088539

well damn, acidentally redlined the wrong image. but still, most of these should still apply.
i'm no expert but i hope this helps:

-be more aware of the direction she is facing. if you think of the face as a "round" plane, your features will tend to slide off the sides.
-gesture is awful, it's always ugly to have the neck go back and the ribcage go forward.
-the neck is too short in all of these considering that head size. learn the proportions, and learn where the clavicles and shoulders are supposed to be. give the neck some space.

third point is probably the most important one in this case. proporstions are important. if you don't do it right you'll get wonky results, like the head looking too big.

[Anonymous No.2088663]

>>2088647
I think he just wanted her to be doing a sort of curtsey and to torso facing a bit forward.

[Anonymous No.2088670]

>>2088647

The face is better but I agree with >>2088663
It looks like shes just moving forward a bit, which is also implied in how her hair is moving back.

Your points about the eyes/face are good though.

[Anonymous No.2088819]

experimenting with this kind of lighting

[Anonymous No.2088850]

painting is hard

[Anonymous No.2088875]

>>2088850
Push the values a bit more! Also, a bit more attention on the edges (hard&soft) between light and dark go a long way. Keep it up anon!

[Anonymous No.2088891]

>>2088663
>>2088670
no i can imagine what he was going for, but i'm talking about the gesture. it doesn't work like that. it's like sticking out your head and chest at the same time. it looks goofy.

gotta have a clear gesture. if it's chest forward then you have to keep the neck straight. if the head/chin is ahead then you gotta lean back with the rest of the body. the line of action needs to be clear.
not that i showed it in my redline (i mainly wanted to make a point on proportions), but it's also an issue.

[Anonymous No.2088900]

Best chics
https://youtu.be/eeKbkNID0EI

[Anonymous No.2088913]

I went with no refs for face or colors.
But I've been watching some W3 streaming this afternoon

[Anonymous No.2088952]

[Anonymous No.2088984]

>>2087582
no fuck off

[Anonymous No.2088986]

>>2088819
what lighting? all your shit looks the same.

[Anonymous No.2088989]

>>2088986
The light is right behind the figures you blind retard.

[Anonymous No.2088996]

>>2088989
im not stating where the fucking light is. im stating what experimentations he is even applying because all his shit looks the same.

[Anonymous No.2089023]

Finished it.

This took wayyyyyyy longer than I'd hoped. I need to work on that speed. Though for that, I need something better than a goddamn Bamboo.

You know that feeling you get after you've worked on something for so long, you just don't give a fuck anymore?

Anyway, I'm done, might color it some other time, might not. Kinda wanna move onto something new. Either way, some crit would be nice. Not gonna fix anything, but I'll keep it in mind for future pieces.

[Anonymous No.2089024]

>>2088952
Do you even lift dude?
No one puts that kind of face.

[Anonymous No.2089029]

>>2089023
The dragonballs look out of place because they are not hand drawn. It looks a bit rushed and can ruin an otherwise fine piece (not saying this is that bad though).
Just drawing them in can look much better. like the circles in Bulma's hair tie and her goggles.

Congratulations on finishing it!

[Anonymous No.2089036]

>>2089029
Hey, thanks man!

It's not often I receive a compliment on here. Yeah, I was just tired by the time I got to the background and dragonballs, been working on this for two days +.

This is why I wanna get a better tablet. The speed of traditional, with the tools of digital seems like something worth investing in.

I know my work would improve a fair bit if I could work like I do in traditional.

[Anonymous No.2089044]

Super messy, but this is what I have so far.
Been trying to apply what I've been reading in Hampton's book.

[Anonymous No.2089052]

>>2088020
>>2088023
>>2088043

super related, but I have no idea what it says

[Anonymous No.2089132]

>>2088986
Sorry to disappoint.

[Anonymous No.2089140]

>>2089052
Left says "no perspective", far eye becomes oblong, right says "with perspective", far eye becomes small and near eye becomes big, feels more 3d.

[Anonymous No.2089163]

>>2088020
Lab puppies would be good reference for eevees.

[Anonymous No.2089176]

>>2089163
are you demonstrating the leg being broken up to simple forms? because i see no simple forms.

[Anonymous No.2089234]

>>2089176
Yes, the pink lines are supposed to outline simple forms. Here are some more examples if you are having difficulty seeing.

If you are trying to say that they are not very simple, trust me, they are easy enough to remember without reference.

[Anonymous No.2089250]

>>2089163
>>2089234

nice! thank you, those are super useful, i really appreciate this. are they drawn just from scratch? could you possibly do few where i would be able to see it together with the hips/chest?

(btw im the one who drew the eevee, the post you just replied to wasnt me)

[Anonymous No.2089260]

>>2087089
i'll bite

[Anonymous No.2089261]

>>2089234
well the feet arnt very simple, you just have outlines for the paws.

[Anonymous No.2089299]

>>2089023
but the clouds and the background need cleaner lines anon.
keep working it plz.

[Anonymous No.2089340]

>>2088518
>>2088539
didnt sycra yasin drew this? u used his drawing as reference?

[Anonymous No.2089344]

>>2089340
If this is true, it's fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.2089345]

>>2089340
post pic

[Anonymous No.2089347]

i dunno what to say, extreme stylization, i guess

[Anonymous No.2089348]

>>2089345
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f5/31/97/f53197af9eed2271f1abb7ee15c05090.jpg

[Anonymous No.2089350]

>>2089348
i have to full version with the whole progress video and shit, but too lazy to dig it up from my external drive, but its definetaly sycra's

http://www.pencilkings.com/course/stylized-painting-alice-video-series/

video link to tutorial's demo

[Anonymous No.2089355]

>>2089348
>>2089350

ayy lmao ty for delivering anon

[Anonymous No.2089359]

>>2088353

[Anonymous No.2089360]

>>2089348 made me realize how slow and inefficient it is to think about the underlying muscles all the fucking time.

Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.2089375]

>>2089359
Why did you flip it you fucking cunt now I can't readily compare them. I like it though.

[Sakimichan No.2089378]

Do you guys think sakimichan is stuck in her comfort zone? Cos I do.

[Anonymous No.2089381]

>>2089378
>Implying this is up for debate
Her comfort zone is earning her 50+ thousands of dollar every month. It's like saying that Warren Buffett is stuck in his comfort zone portfolio which makes him billions of dollars every whatever.

[Sakimichan No.2089385]

>>2089381
profit is irrelevant from the question.

[Sakimichan No.2089386]

>>2089378
They all look the same, i like the style tho

[Anonymous No.2089388]

>>2089378

>>2089386
>same fagging and forgot to change the post name

lmao

Nice next level discussion Anon! I've also heard that that Craig Mullets guy is also REALLY GOOD!

[Sakimichan No.2089389]

>>2087564
what if the photo was based from the drawing

[Anonymous No.2089390]

>>2089386
You forgot your name on you retard.

[Anonymous No.2089392]

>>2089378
>>2089386
>Trying to same fag while name fagging

[Anonymous No.2089397]

One thing that steers me away from creating any stylized work is I'm afraid everything will come out too plain and generic. I don't want to get stuck in a mold after I start pushing myself in this direction. What can I do to avoid this? I can't honestly see a reward in creating something that has already been established countless times.

[Anonymous No.2089398]

>>2086825
am i gud enuf

[Anonymous No.2089402]

>>2089397
>i need to be a special snowflake!!!!

People have done realism to death too, stop comparing yourself to others in regards to originality. Whatever you make will be unique to some extent, however minor, anyway.

[Anonymous No.2089403]

>>2089398
no

[Anonymous No.2089405]

>>2089397
just develop a style(even if that style has already been taken)

[Anonymous No.2089406]

>>2089398
You can stop being an underage yaoi fangirl for a start.

[Anonymous No.2089408]

>>2089381
I never looked into this artist before.

I never thought it was possible to make this much money as an artist.

Is it wrong for me to feel upset about this?

[Anonymous No.2089409]

>>2089406
come out of the closet

[Anonymous No.2089410]

>>2089397
The appeal stylized art is that through simplification, you can do things that will take forever or look silly in non-stylized work, among other things. You can break perspective, enhance gesture and expressions, go crazy with colors, etc.
If you end up with a standing animoo girl on a white background it's your fault for trying to figure draw animoo instead of drawing fucking animoo (or whatever else you're drawing).

[Anonymous No.2089411]

>>2089408
>Is it wrong for me to feel upset about this?

That's called envy anon. Embrace it.

[Anonymous No.2089416]

Been feeling that Moebius inspiration pretty hard this week.

[Anonymous No.2089445]

>>2089416
something feels wrong with her face. it's probably the position of the ears. in profile view you should see more of the back of the head and the ears are more in the middle.

>>2089397
if you are afraid then just work on your basics.

[Anonymous No.2089454]

I always wonder if all these "artists" form /ic/ aren't giving harmful advice to other people, terrible place to ask for critique since no one shows their skills.

[Anonymous No.2089460]

>>2089454
If you are so new to art that you can't see mistakes yourself after people point them out (or see that they aren't there) then you should just grind and you need no critique at all. Nice metapost, would reply again.

[Anonymous No.2089462]

>>2089454
i also always wonder wether i'm giving shit advice. but in the end i think you have your own eyes and should be able to judge things yourself. i'm just giving out feedback for you to consider.

[Anonymous No.2089466]

>>2089348
Firez steals again. I am not surprised.

[Anonymous No.2089476]

>>2089348
That fucking wonky far eye holy shit. "Pencil kings". Firez copying this shit. My sides are in orbit.

[Anonymous No.2089503]

>>2088353
Stop using bad reference for your own good, you're blindly copying all the problems the original has.

[Anonymous No.2089508]

>>2089348
Never trust a tripfag, thats what my papa used to say

[Anonymous No.2089523]

>>2089508

He was a wise man, I'm sorry for your loss RIP in peace.

[Anonymous No.2089526]

>>2089523
What's worse is that he didn't die. He became a tripfag himself.

[Anonymous No.2089528]

>>2089526

Oh God! that truly is a fate worse than death anon.

[Anonymous No.2089567]

>>2088952
>15 plaet
lmao

[Anonymous No.2089572]

>>2089567
Didn't know we were in /fit/
Oh well, my forms been off lately so THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089593]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089595]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089597]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089607]

>>2089567
Thank you back-snap gorilla

[Anonymous No.2089619]

>>2089567
>17
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089624]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089655]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089686]

>>2089410
underrated post

[Anonymous No.2089695]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089708]

>>2089378
id ladly be stuck in that comfort zone

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2089754]

Thanks for the help.

>>2089340
>>2089348

Btw I already had explained I was following a PK tutorial, I decided to change some parts of it though, mostly because I was also not too fond in the gaze of the original and how he handles the coloring of the line work at the end..

>>2089359

That's basically the next part.

[Anonymous No.2089818]

>>2089250
I'm glad you found them helpful. They were referenced from photos of puppies because I have been a bit rusty lately and I didn't want to mess you up.

Here are some fuller body examples. It got a little too dog-ish, so I drew some more eevee-like bodies at the bottom. The red sketches are from memory.

[Anonymous No.2089823]

>>2089818
What would you say its a good way to start studying animals?

[Anonymous No.2089824]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2089828]

>>2089823
Examine the joints and appendages. Try to relate the parts of animals to human body parts.
Animal trunks (not the elephant type) then to be pretty simple, so I'd start there and branch out.

[Anonymous No.2089930]

>>2089818
thanks! this surely will come in handy. btw the necks look really massive

[Anonymous No.2089958]

>>2089044
Scrapped the other one. Better?

[Anonymous No.2090072]

>>2089410
>trying to figure draw animoo instead of drawing fucking animoo
I didn't get this, sorry i'm not a native speaker.

[Anonymous No.2090120]

>>2090072

Lets see if i can explain it well or even got his point in the first place.

You can't just lop on animu eyes on a classical figure drawing and expect an interesting image. You need to take into considering the stylistic, compositional, and appeal components as well. That requires all the shit he said.

[Anonymous No.2090137]

I was wondering; is this all of teal guy's stuff?
http://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD

[Anonymous No.2090141]

>>2089958
Much better.

[Anonymous No.2090148]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2090154]

>>2090120
post your art.

[Anonymous No.2090158]

>>2090154
you should, too.

[Anonymous No.2090167]

>>2090120
I get it now thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.2090172]

>>2089572
>>2089593
>>2089595
>>2089597
>>2089607
>>2089619
>>2089624
>>2089655
>>2089695
>>2089824
>>2090148

cant you read? it works only if you see it while scrolling through the first page
newfags everywhere...

[Anonymous No.2090176]

>>2090172
>can't into quote preview

[Anonymous No.2090177]

>>2090176
only 5 posts show up at a time smartass

[Anonymous No.2090178]

>>2090172

>implying dank maymay spouters read and follow rules

[Anonymous No.2090179]

>>2090158
you're the one being smartass. i know i'm shit, but you think you're better and smarter than everyone else.

[Anonymous No.2090180]

>>2090172
>taking a mee-mee this seriously

[Anonymous No.2090185]

Did I miss something? I haven't seen /ic/ this pissy since last summer.

[Anonymous No.2090189]

>>2090185

Don't you know, /ic/ is always pissy. That's it's secret

[Anonymous No.2090203]

>>2089416
good shit mang. howd you do that bluish glow on the bottom of the crystal things? soft eraser or soft brush?

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2090222]

>>2088277
I think it's done.

[Anonymous No.2090226]

>>2090222
It looks really nice from the thumbnail.

[Anonymous No.2090234]

>>2090179
You see, of we had tag IDs, you would know that I'm not that other anon. You don't have to be fuckin Leonardo to give a good critique. Stop bitching and draw more. Don't shit on someone who is trying to help.

[Anonymous No.2090236]

>>2090234

>Leonardo

Way to go 0 for 2 by choosing not only the worst Renaissance artist, but also the worst TMNT.

[Anonymous No.2090240]

>>2090236
Excuse you for having bad taste in ninja turtles.

[Anonymous No.2090282]

>>2090234
>trying to help
is that what you call stroking your ego?

[Anonymous No.2090315]

>>2090222
I like your take on that ref so much that I have to give yours a shot myself
I hope you don't mind, FiRez!

[Anonymous No.2090326]

i need to study my anatomy ><

[Anonymous No.2090353]

I've got Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, Keys to Drawing and Fun With a Pencil put on hold at the library. Does anyone have book suggestions if I want to get into illustration/concept art?

As someone who's starting out, I'll be reading Loomis/Dodson/Edwards and drawing still life around the house/neighborhood.

[Anonymous No.2090354]

>>2090353
Grab art books of games you like, posters, splash art, Loomis' "Creative Illustration" tackles composition and color theory, but I haven't read them so how successful it is is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.2090358]

>>2090315
Someone teach me how to color/render

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2090361]

>>2090226
Not so much on the full size?

>>2090315
Of course not anon, I already like your pose more, I should have done something with hands just to see if I have learned something from Bridgman so far.

Can't wait to see your finished piece!

I couldn't even decided on the final colors for mine.

[Anonymous No.2090368]

Is it normal to be doing a gesture and then starting to feel her pelvis pushing out and her ribcage busting out and as she grabs her breasts you start to do the same thing and realize you're going too far with wanting to be the girl?

Am I feeling it yet?

[Anonymous No.2090370]

>>2090368

ebin shitposting m8

[Anonymous No.2090371]

>>2090361
I'm not a fan of the chromatic aberration thing in general but I won't criticize your work for that. However, I'm wondering why you applied the effect only on the eyes?

Crits-
Her neck looks flat, like a piece of paper instead of a cylindrical shape.

I think the neck of her sweater looks a bit weird. It stretches too much out to the front.

I think you can tighten up your strokes. Also, you can sharpen up or blur selective areas to create focus and atmosphere.

The hair is very pretty. But the bangs area looks a bit bunched up and stiff like there is gel on it.

Overall I think it is very cute and eye catching. But I think it needs something extra to give it charisma. Like some unique effect on the eyes or her expression.

[Anonymous No.2090382]

>>2090368
>you start to do the same thing and realize you're going too far with wanting to be the girl?
> going too far with wanting to be the girl?
>wanting to be the girl

>Am I feeling it yet?
What you're feeling is the onset of a mental illness. I suggest you seek professional help.

[Anonymous No.2090383]

>>2090361
back of the skull if fucking huge. there is no way that the hair from the roots has that amount of bounce to it. you do this in other drawings too.
not knowing where to put the top of the skull/scalp.
also, the brightest value in the face should not be equal to that of the brightest value in the background. which it is.

[Anonymous No.2090384]

>>2090383
You couldn't be more wrong about the skull if you tried.

[Anonymous No.2090392]

>>2090383
>the brightest value in the face should not be equal to that of the brightest value in the background
>opinions are not rules
The darkness of the hair separates and contrasts against the white bg and pale face. Its fine.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2090451]

>>2090358
Asians, specially women don't need to show too much change of planes, so try to no add too many lines or render that much, fwiw I stayed in line only most of the time, the I added color via overlay, then auto-contrast, this 2nd step helped me to not do too much opaque painting.

>>2090371
This is my 1st time using chromatic aberration, I used it because /ic/ kept talking about it heh, Btw using the blur tool on the other side of the sweater was surprisingly nice

I'm sorry it looks a bit generic but when I try to do something special I fuck it up most of the time, I guess I should aim for correct for a while.

>>2090383
>>2090384
>>2090392


I also tried to take most of you kind advice into consideration for this iteration, I'm sorry bothering you guys this much.

[Anonymous No.2090456]

>>2090451
Amo la china que dibujaste.

[Anonymous No.2090463]

>>2090384
bruh, its animu. its skull construction from the get go is fucked up in most ways.

[Anonymous No.2090474]

>>2090361
i also think the hair line at the top could be lowered but a fraction.
looks like she has a cone head at the moment.
here is a sloppy example of what i think could bring it back to being cuter.
also i think this adds more weight to the hair.
like gravity exists
>pulled the top down about a centimeter

[Anonymous No.2090485]

trying interacting characters.

[Anonymous No.2090486]

>>2087564
but the result looks ok. assuming the author is legally allowed to use the photo, i can't really see no problem with this kind of work.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2090489]

>>2090456
Muchas gracias anon. Me caes bien.

Ojalá algún día podamos dibujar chavas chinas y muñequitos chinos juntos.

>>2090474
Her hair looks a bit too close to the scalp now ...ot maybe it's just me. Anyway thanks for the tip. I hope any error becomes more clear by tomorrow

[Anonymous No.2090497]

>>2090489
>Ojalá algún día podamos dibujar chavas chinas y muñequitos chinos juntos.
Si, un dia. Tengo que practicar mucho mas para que no me violen los otros anons con las monstruocidades que dibujo. Sigue trabanjando duro. Tienes bueno trabajo.

[Anonymous No.2090528]

ty for the links, very helpful!!!!

[Anonymous No.2090542]

>>2090177
What if everyone had the first page loaded, and only browsed it after various minutes without reloading it? People could still be seeing it on the first page right now.
Your move.

[Anonymous No.2090561]

>>2088875
um... push the values?

care to explain more?

[Anonymous No.2090605]

>>2090561
not him but it means to add more darks or lights.

[Anonymous No.2090607]

>>2090179
>i know i'm shit
then please stop posting. aggressive beginners are the fucking worst.

[Anonymous No.2090609]

>>2090474
I would give the collar some thickness. It looks paper this.

[Anonymous No.2090621]

>>2089378
I was kinda disappointed when I learned she just paints over 3d models, even if she makes them herself. Idk

[Anonymous No.2090634]

>>2090621
Is that why everything she makes looks the same no matter the differentiated styles from series she copies fanart from?

Is that why her tutorials suck literal orc dick when you get to see her draw in realtime? Because she really can't draw?

[Anonymous No.2090750]

What do I do?

[Anonymous No.2090760]

>>2090750
I love the cockroach and the mouse. More of that maybe?

[Anonymous No.2090770]

>>2090750
escape to beginer thread

[Anonymous No.2090771]

>>2090750
stopsigning shit like this

[Anonymous No.2090776]

>>2090750
use color, learn perspective

[Anonymous No.2090789]

>>2090750
work on cockroach anatomy

[Anonymous No.2090823]

>>2089567
thank backsnap grilla

[Anonymous No.2090826]

>>2089958
Head is small, neck is long. Also keep an eye on the shoulder width and the arm length, though it's up to you on whether you want more or less realistic proportions than the anime.

The tummy and hips are pretty nice though, good job on them.

[Anonymous No.2090830]

Almost done I think! Crit appreciated

[Anonymous No.2090840]

>>2090222
>I think it's done.

adjective
adjective: done

1.
(of food) cooked thoroughly.
"the turkey will be done soon"
synonyms: cooked (through), ready
"is the meat done?"
antonyms: raw, underdone
no longer happening or existing.
"her hunting days were done"
synonyms: over, over and done with, at an end, finished, ended, concluded, terminated, no more, dead, gone, in the past
"those days are done"
antonyms: to come, ongoing

[Anonymous No.2090885]

>>2090830
It's so dark and not in a mysterious or ominous way either. I really want to look at the details on the sides because they seem interesting but i have to strain my eyes.

[Anonymous No.2090893]

>>2090885
Could be your monitor because it looks fine to me.

[Anonymous No.2090898]

>>2090893
Thanks. I had the brightness down way low bc of eye strain and i forgot. I apologize.

[Anonymous No.2090901]

>>2090830
>>2090885
Eh, I sort of agree (and I think my monitor is fine). I wish there was more contrast, especially between the foreground and the steps because at first I thought it was apart of the moss on the steps. Looks nice though, especially the light pouring on the veil.

[Anonymous No.2090909]

A little desperate for some criticism on this.

[Anonymous No.2090915]

>>2090830

[Anonymous No.2090916]

>>2090909
Pendleton Ward what are you doing here?

[Anonymous No.2090919]

>>2090909
i paint stuff like that. as a general rule things in the distance get more grey. those buildings are too chromatic.

[Anonymous No.2090921]

>>2090919
and you should learn to draw buildings in the foreground and middleground. background is easy. it's the up close stuff that gets difficult. just keep challenging yourself. try incorporating figures into it.

[Anonymous No.2090922]

>>2090919
>canvas showing

[Anonymous No.2090923]

>>2090830
I like it it overall but cactus, seems cocks :l

you could improve lineart
and you could improve lighting, horns emit light, so make it seem they do so, color the air dust around it, color a bit the robes of that green light, you also might add ligh refractions inside the hood, on the blocks.. for example the grass on the stairs shouls not be all the same at shadow, as the one closest to the lighted one should get some brightness from it

[Anonymous No.2090926]

>>2090909
The mushrooms seem flat

Can you post more? It's hard to give you any substantial advice from just that image

[Anonymous No.2090927]

>>2090915
if you do this, make the effect at fixed opacity so it's not that hard, to push hue on values is good if it's moderated

[Anonymous No.2090936]

>>2090909
also it can make for good work taking simple imagery like this and making paintings that are texturally random and somewhat complicated. try it sometime.

[Anonymous No.2090937]

>>2090921
thanks guys, really appreciate your feedback

[Anonymous No.2090943]

>>2090926
more as in other pieces of work? Well this one is a bit crap too.

[Anonymous No.2090955]

>>2089378
Stuck in the "this is easy and fast and makes me tons of money" -zone.

[Anonymous No.2090970]

>>2090943
You need to stick to either drawing things by hand or super clean lines.

If you want clean lines go over your work with the pen tool

If you want it to look like it was drawn by hand then draw your straight lines again by hand

[Anonymous No.2090973]

>>2090955
She makes more money each month than a lot of us make in a year or half a year of work. Even those of us with decent paying jobs. Most pro artists, even top artists at Blizzard the top gaming company, wish they had her salary for the amount of work she puts in. It's insane, but money talks.

[Anonymous No.2090975]

>>2090970
using the pen tool is easier said than done, I did give it a try but I can't figure it out. thanks for your feedback

[Anonymous No.2090977]

>>2090975
Are you using photoshop?
If so I will go over it with you

[Anonymous No.2090980]

>>2090977
I am indeed, that would be great!

[Anonymous No.2090986]

>>2090980
Give me a few min

[Anonymous No.2090990]

>>2090986
aye, same

[Anonymous No.2091002]

>>2090915

Thanks anon! what exactly did you do though?

[Anonymous No.2091008]

>>2090980
https://youtu.be/zymo-5p38nc
There

>>2091002
Do you use photoshop? I can show you now if you want

[Anonymous No.2091023]

>>2091008
wow, thank you so much, that was really helpful, I'll give it a try! thanks again

[Anonymous No.2091026]

>>2091023
Yeah, no problem

I will be in this thread for awhile so feel free to ask if you have any questions about it

[Anonymous No.2091064]

>>2091026
Starting to get the hang of it now, finally! aaa, thank you

[Anonymous No.2091068]

>>2091064
That's awesome! Keep working at it and it will get to be really easy

[Anonymous No.2091076]

Advice?
I'm mediocre. Thing is, I stopped drawing for about two years.
Now that I'm trying to draw again, I realize I don't really have a style. I just see it as "generic semi-realistic". Mixture of western and eastern influence. I don't outright dislike the style, but I'm not in love with it either.
Is this something worth worrying over that I should fix or should I let it continue to "evolve naturally?

[Anonymous No.2091077]

>>2091076
Get books, study, git gud and then pursue the style you like

[Anonymous No.2091081]

>>2091077
Heh, I don't really have a style in mind that I want to copy or borrow from, but you're right that I should probably git gud before worrying about it.

[Anonymous No.2091083]

https://youtu.be/pn6MOXq9CBQ

[Anonymous No.2091090]

help me out

been drawing for 1 year and a half

just started using prismacolor and im just guessing on how to use these

more to be posted

[Anonymous No.2091091]

>>2091090

[Anonymous No.2091092]

>>2091091
just started tis wun
giudance plz

[Anonymous No.2091229]

Posting images sideways on /ic/ should be banneable.
It's the most common form of trolling these days.

[Anonymous No.2091254]

Nowhere close to done, but does it look alright so far? I'm mainly working on the car at the moment, but I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the road. I don't want to just slap a texture on it and call it done, but I don't really know how to [digitally] paint it.

[Anonymous No.2091268]

>>2091254
remember that a feature that is different like the road being smooth could give it a 'artsy' factor

[Anonymous No.2091269]

>>2091254
this has potential. go on..fix the head light shadows.

[Anonymous No.2091293]

>>2091268
That's true, but it being silky smooth bothers me. Don't know, I might play around with a noise texture and some perspective work, or I might try something more hand done. I want a bit of smooth for motion blur but not everything.

>>2091269
Is this better?

[Anonymous No.2091322]

>>2091293
u ruined everything.

[Anonymous No.2091339]

>>2091322

That... doesn't really help.

[Anonymous No.2091367]

>>2091339
I think he meant this

Ignore the over exaggeration

[Anonymous No.2091368]

>>2091339
I think he meant this

Please ignore the over exaggeration

[Anonymous No.2091376]

>>2091368
Oh, I see. Most of that light is from a streetlight which hasn't been drawn yet, not cast back from the headlights. I haven't really thought of the light from the headlights yet, but shadows from the headlights OF the headlights is something I hadn't even considered.

[Anonymous No.2091384]

>>2089567
THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA

[Anonymous No.2091385]

>>2090172
>Not getting the subtle request to derail thread
It's not entirely your fault, it should have been AWAKEN MY MASTERS! for full effect.

[Anonymous No.2091386]

>>2090185
>summer
Gee, I wonder what's going on.

[Anonymous No.2091426]

>>2090826
ty for the feedback. Ended up changing a lot of things.

[Anonymous No.2091438]

New Thread:

>>2091437
>>2091437
>>2091437

[Anonymous No.2091450]

>>2091426
That's way better

Good job

[Anonymous No.2092225]

>>2089381
Jesus, Neurosurgeons don't make the kind of money this kid is raking in.

[Anonymous No.2092331]

>>2087478
natsu is not a female

[Anonymous No.2092724]

Can I get some critique on the face befor eI go on rendering the BG? I'm kinda concerned about the correlation of the mouth to the nose and proportions in general.

[Anonymous No.2092941]

>>2089023
I like your style, but I'm seconding >>2089299
I also have a little problem with the font, some characters look a bit out of place or squashed in. Otherwise mighty fine work of art.

[Anonymous No.2092945]

>>2092724
Face doesn't align with the proportions of the head and looks flat and her hands and arms look too big, if you aren't going for a fish eye's POV.