/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2074595]

> Murata draw and ink those hairs fully traditionally

Explain me this bullshit /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2074599]

it's not that hard.
you just need some patience.

[Anonymous No.2074602]

Franklin booth inked this by hand

[Anonymous No.2074603]

>>2074595
start defining the head with the tilt of the curls, then work your way inward.

[Anonymous No.2074605]

What bullshit?

Are you such a digifag that you can't comprehend how someone could ink with a pen or brush?

[Anonymous No.2074606]

>>2074595
traditional masterrace

[Anonymous No.2074607]

>>2074602
that really makes wonder how much time they're taking to drew this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.2074609]

>>2074599
can you do it ?

[Anonymous No.2074611]

>>2074609

Not him, but that hair is extremely simple and easy to ink. I'm not sure what exactly you're confused about.

[Anonymous No.2074613]

>>2074602
Fuck me sideways.
I have no words.

[Anonymous No.2074614]

>>2074611
I don't think you even know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.2074615]

>>2074614

I do know.

What exactly you do think is complicated about the hair? It's just simple curves and they're not particularly neat.

[Anonymous No.2074616]

Tbh it looks bad to me
Like spaghetti hair.

[Anonymous No.2074618]

>>2074615
curves in volume that outlayer each others ? But what about trying yourself and showing the result if you're that good ? Shouldn't be much of a deal.

[Anonymous No.2074624]

>>2074618

Have you ever actually worked with a G-pen? Curves like that are very simple. Maybe working without a guide it would be tricky to layer them accurately but with the hair penciled in first inking it would be simple. It's just a simple C curve repeated over and over.

I can show you myself if you want but it won't be quick, the ink takes a while to dry before I can scan.

[Anonymous No.2074625]

>>2074595
We had to do this one in class as an exercise.

I like Murata, but those panels are hardly impressive.

Now this >>2074602

>>2074607
A long time anon. A long time. Traditional art is more beautiful than digital, but it take MUCH longer. With digital, you're mostly churning out products.

[Anonymous No.2074628]

>>2074625
> We had to do this one in class as an exercise.

And that's supposed to be your definition of impressive ? That's just some really hatching.

[Anonymous No.2074629]

>>2074602
While I don't intend to take anything away from his work, there's a difference between a single piece of art, and a mass produced comic. I'd say Kentaro Miura, who draws Berserk, is at the level of detail, but the pace at which the manga is released also reflects this. At this point, the progress is so slow, it's likely never going to be finished.

As for Murata, he's actually one of the more skilled manga artists out there, even if he draws as what could be described as a typical or generic manga style. He's just solid across the board. Inking, anatomy, perspective, style, detail, and so on. It would be interesting to see what he could do outside the manga format.

[Anonymous No.2074631]

>>2074595
Well planned pencils + being experienced enough with ink to do it quickly.
>>2074607
A lot. I can't find the schedule of a manga artist, but it's fucking ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.2074632]

>>2074602
that tiger is so fucking small

[Anonymous No.2074634]

>>2074624
Do those pens helps that much ? I never got to try them, always used the classic pigma micron.

[Anonymous No.2074636]

>>2074628
Yeah, and it was done in ink. Shit's not hard dude. If you know the technique/process, it's just a matter of sitting down and doing it.

Again, I like Murata, but I don't see what's so impressive about him doing those panels in traditional.

[Anonymous No.2074639]

>>2074636
And I'm saying doing >>2074625 is anywhere like >>2074595

One is just straight hatching, other is complicated curves that never have any problem.

[Anonymous No.2074640]

>>2074607
Most manga artists don't have social lives, due to the obscene amount of time they spend on their work. From what I understand, it's not uncommon to draw 12 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.2074642]

>>2074640
My question was more for this >>2074602 here.

Murata has got way more free schedules than most manga artists, hence the fact he can work much more on some pages.

[Anonymous No.2074645]

>>2074634

It really does for many things. The disadvantage is that it's harder to use rulers, guides and templates but you get much more organic lines.

>>2074639
>complicated curves that never have any problem.

They aren't complicated curves. There are a lot of curves so it LOOKS complicated but each curve is a very simple C-shape. Look closely at them and you'll see they're not perfect at all. I'd guess that a lot of them were drawn in two or more segments, with the huge width variation of the pen hiding the joints.

[Anonymous No.2074646]

>>2074639
I wasn't comparing myself to Murata retard. I was just telling you that inking isn't hard if you've got good pencil-work.

Maybe you should try it someday instead of dickwanking to some mangaka. Yes, Murata is an awesome artist, but I still fail to see what's so hard about his inkwork...

What it is that has you so aweinspired.

Christ, inking isn't hard dude.

[Anonymous No.2074651]

>>2074607
3 days give or take if youve been with an ink and pencil your whole life
couple of months if your new

[Anonymous No.2074654]

>>2074646
I think I can ink better than your pic related, I have anywhere near a bad level with it, but instead I was wondering if people like Murata (which was just an exemple here in the end) used some special way to do them so easily without fucking up the lines. I already managed to redraw them >>2074595 but that was numerically after erasing and using a ton of layers.

[Anonymous No.2074660]

>>2074654

How far were you zoomed in? Zooming in means you need to draw bigger. Curves like this are way easier when they're smaller. Working traditionally you can lean in to get a closer look and still keep the intuitive motion.

[Anonymous No.2074667]

>>2074654
>How does he do it

Practice, and lots of it.

Also, do it in traditional, not digital. Get some decent pens, and some animation pencils. One, it will teach you to work with your mistakes and force you to improve more dramatically, and two, it'll help you develop more control (traditional is easier but also riskier than digital).

The fact that you're doing it in physical is what's holing you back.

Also, word of advice.

Stop comparing yourself to other artists. Whether it be me, Murata, or anyone else on here. You should have an idea of where you wanna get to, and only compare yourself to your previous work. That's it. The rest of it is nothing but pretentious dick-wanking that won't get you anywhere.

Again, I wasn't comparing myself to Murata with that. No shit he's better than me. I was merely giving you an example of how it's done.

[Anonymous No.2074668]

>>2074667
>The fact that you're doing it in physical is what's holing you back.

did you try to say "digital" here ?
(on the side note, not using a stabizer on computer)

[Anonymous No.2074676]

>>2074668
Yeah, I meant to say digital.

And don't rely on tools to make up for your work. Again, that's only gonna hold you back from improving.

Do it in traditional. Everything you learn in traditional always carries over into digital.

[Anonymous No.2074679]

>>2074676
well, that's just another tool to be fair, I see your point tough. I've been always using both, not gonna change, Again digital lets me have better renders than traditional, but I'm drawing much better with the letter on the other hand.

[Anonymous No.2074691]

>>2074625
I like it. got any more?

[Anonymous No.2074732]

Inking traditionally is way easier than digital. To get line weight, either go over the line again or use some kind of brush pen.

[Anonymous No.2074772]

>>2074732
This. Digital is only "easier" in that you can undo and use layers like nobody's business, actually drawing the line is infinitely easier with physical media, especially if you're using a mediocre tablet.

[Anonymous No.2074816]

What's a good pen for inking?

[Anonymous No.2074835]

>>2074816
My dick

[Anonymous No.2074842]

>>2074595
These are not impressive lines tbh
With a decent pencil sketch, overlaping hair is not that hard and this particular example really isn't that confusing

[Anonymous No.2074865]

I was pretty sure he does all that stuff digitally. Aside from the colored artworks.

[Anonymous No.2074872]

>>2074865
no, he always draw by hand, he only make the effects digitally.

[Anonymous No.2074874]

>>2074816
Depends on what you're doing. G-pens are good all-a-rounders, crow quills are great for fine, precise linework, and superflex nibs like Brause's Rose nib are more brushlike.
>>2074865
Old school pen and ink is still pretty much the standard for manga as far as I'm aware.

[Anonymous No.2074898]

>>2074874
manga artists don't necessarily bother using ink, they often use pigment liners pens of different thickness

[Anonymous No.2074900]

>>2074898
Some do. I picked up Manga: Masters of the Art a while back, and it includes surveys of the tools used by the twelve artists, and all but one used pen and ink to some degree(the last one used pigment liners almost exclusively, IIRC).

[Anonymous No.2074936]

>>2074595
He does like everyone else would do I guess. When you are so used to draw forms as he is it becomes second nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF-MT3GQhsU

I recommenced having these playing in your background.

[Anonymous No.2074947]

>>2074936
Speaking about him, do you know how he happen to erase his pencil drawings without damaging the paper ? Mine always keep some marks, but Murata's looks always perfect aven after erasing many times. I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.2074958]

>>2074602
Wait they rope those saddles around the elephants tail? that must be painful as fuck for the elephant dude, aside from thats some sexy cross hatching.

[Anonymous No.2074964]

>>2074595

Kubo is a traditional fag too. He doesn't do digital.

[Anonymous No.2074996]

>>2074947
Not so well versed in manga, but he seems to be using a 2H for penciling. And the H range is always more significantly easy to erase and best for constructing.

[Anonymous No.2075001]

>>2074947
Use a soft pencil to you don't have to press it too hard to make line.

>>2074996
It's 2B.

[Anonymous No.2075007]

>>2075001
That's weird then, because I'm using a 2B as well.

[Anonymous No.2075141]

>>2074964
a lot of manga are traditional, what's your point

[Anonymous No.2075146]

>>2075141

Point is it's nothing special.

[Anonymous No.2075176]

Since this is an inking thread, what are some good inking pens? I've got microns but I'm pretty sure I should be using something different.

Also have some more Murata, one punch man is the shit.

[Anonymous No.2075227]

>>2074629
lol berserk isn't on hiatus because it takes forever to draw, it's because he's too busy playing idolmaster to finish his comic

[Anonymous No.2075248]

>>2074595
>drawing ribbons is hard

It's basically drawing rectangles on top of each other, but curved.

[Anonymous No.2075255]

OP hasn't seen much. That hair is is similar to drawing blades of random grass.

[Anonymous No.2075281]

>>2074602
>this ruins the whole image.

[Anonymous No.2075308]

>>2075255
that bird just got done taking a shit in her

[Anonymous No.2075313]

>>2074691
Sadly, no.

I was gonna do this one in that style, but the work ahead seemed so daunting I never got around to it.

[Anonymous No.2075318]

>>2074835
Sorry to hear that, bro

[Anonymous No.2075368]

>>2074964
Damn, he must spend a lot on ink with all that black.

[Anonymous No.2075415]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHEFK-bLBBs

Murata has a ustream account and streams his inking/drawing process if you're curious, theres a lot of it on youtube as well.

[Anonymous No.2075421]

>>2075368
Probably just uses cheap brush pens to fill in large areas.

As long as it's all black, it will appear smooth in the final print.

[yasred No.2076189]

>>2075415
WOAA ANON YOU JUST WON THE INTERNET!!! ALL OF IT!!!

[Anonymous No.2076197]

>>2074599
>patience


nigger, i don't think you understand how quick those mangakas have to finish their work
they are comparable to olympian athletes in terms of quality, speed and dedication

[Anonymous No.2076492]

>>2075281
dying

[Anonymous No.2077255]

>>2075421
Honestly, buying ink in bulk is probably a lot cheaper than buying cheap brush pens for large areas. It's not that pricey and a good enough ink can be watered down and still scan black enough for use.

[Anonymous No.2077346]

>>2077255
It is cheaper, but ink is pretty rough on brushes and it's cheaper to buy brush pens than brushes(not to mention more convenient).

[Anonymous No.2077399]

Maybe he changed assistants but why is his render so awful now?

[Anonymous No.2077601]

It is almost literally impossible to tell how much of a manga comes from an individual artist. Takehiko Inoue (Vagabond guy) said straight up his assistants do 100% of the backgrounds and he does character art only.

[Anonymous No.2077858]

>>2077601
IIRC Toriyama had the same arrangement for Dragon Ball Z.

[Anonymous No.2079243]

>>2076197
>tips his kimono

[Anonymous No.2082892]

Not a manga artist, but I did brush work for about a year and a half (microns for about 4 years before that, and inking digitally is sweet for time and space constraints. (I have just enough room for my computer, and intuos)

[Anonymous No.2082894]

>>2082892
Goddamn it forgot to make my point. One of the things I like about inking digitally is drawing in white without wrestling with white ink, gouache (however the fuck you spell it) or any of the other ways there is to do it. It kind of offers a place to experiment without ruining supplies. Although I do miss doing my lineart with my Winsor and Newton

[Anonymous No.2082897]

>>2082894

tumblr?

[Anonymous No.2082900]

>>2082897
No, at least not yet. posting to facebook is annoying enough. Is tumblr a better platform?

[Anonymous No.2082902]

>>2082900
>is tumblr a better platform

I can't speak for FB because I don't use it.

Since I'm plebtier I just use tumblr and follow people from /ic/. Its pretty simple.

[Anonymous No.2082904]

>>2082902
Cool, I had a friend giving me shit about setting up a tumblr yesterday. Couldn't hurt, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.2082910]

>>2082904
Use DA not Tumblr. I'm a tumblrfag but the 540 px width sucks balls.

[Anonymous No.2082913]

>>2082910
540? fuck man, that's brutal!

[Anonymous No.2082921]

>>2082913
You can leave the resolution on more but some artists swear that Tumblr resizing the image to 540px for display makes it look crap. Clicking the image allows it to have greater width but the waste of screen space is pretty terrible.