Beginner Thread #10000

[None !NANNANNANA No.2071029]

(im sorry i didnt have the time to make fresh OPs pic today ;_;)

As usual:
>Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

(dont forget to resize+jpg before posting 4mb pngs)

OLD THREAD: >>2067117

[Anonymous No.2071047]

Dose anyone have Resources on how to Draw/Paint Chitin? (Insect Exoskeleton for the .02% who don't know)
Anything will help

[Anonymous No.2071242]

wooo

[Anonymous No.2071265]

>>2071242
the lines are terrible!

[Anonymous No.2071282]

2 mins

[Anonymous No.2071285]

>>2071265
I drew it with my finger on a touch screen laptop, just downloaded it yesterday
Actually drew them on afterwards

[Anonymous No.2071286]

>>2071285
it being Art Rage 4

[Anonymous No.2071289]

>>2071282
Try 30 seconds. Find imaginary lines that link different features.

[Anonymous No.2071297]

>>2071289
>Try 30 seconds.
I did, felt much too short

[Anonymous No.2071303]

>>2071285
bad excuse. Try making the lines with a single stroke with your finger.

[Anonymous No.2071309]

>>2071297
It isn't, really. Keep trying. You can abstract the head to 3 lines easily.

[Anonymous No.2071316]

>>2071303
I read it all the time but why do people say you need to draw a single line? I'd rather throw down a bunch of shity lines and find the one i want, then clean it up than stick with my first shitty line i dont want. Why do i need to minimize my lines? what does it achieve?

[Anonymous No.2071320]

>>2071316
because one thight line looks better then 10 scratchy lines. Just look at your image.

[Anonymous No.2071323]

>>2071316
It achieves confidence. Confidence translates into better art.
How many artists have you seen chicken scratching? Good artists, that is. Hm?

[Anonymous No.2071326]

>>2071316
because a line is an expression basically, like if you're a stage actor, it doesn't do to mumble the lines to yourself while you're practicing and expect to deliver them with a sonorous emotive force when it comes to the actual performance.

or you can think of it as practicing music on a badly tuned instrument.

but probably people do nitpick line quality a bit too much here, mainly because it's an easy fault to see i guess.

wanting to draw the line over again in a sketch is no big d especially. but try to restate the whole line instead of breaking it down in to sections.

[Anonymous No.2071335]

>>2071320
I'm not him

>>2071323
>>2071326
I get having a clean line for finished pieces. If I am going to clean up a drawing I would obviously have clean lines. But for my sketches and shit, why do I need single lines?

[Anonymous No.2071341]

>>2071335
Have you ever seen sketches done by great artists? There's no chicken scratching. Or clean up, for that matter.
They know what they want to draw and they can accurately do so in two to three lines. This takes significantly less time than chicken scratching for an afternoon and then cleaning up for a night.
They also have a greater mastery of their tool.

Do whatever you want, though. We're just offering advice.

[Anonymous No.2071346]

>>2071341
So there isnt a practical reason for it.

[Anonymous No.2071355]

>>2071346
>a practical reason for it
different anon here, you can draw 10-20x faster with more line confidence (especially because you don't have to redraw it later). Which means you can create way more content in less time. Which means you can get more mileage in. Which means you should improve faster.

Drawing in pen reduced my chicken scratch, and was probably the best advice I ever got from /ic/.

How you draw is up to you, sometimes you have to be in the right mental state to assimilate the advice /ic/ gives you so today might not be your day to start working on line confidence - I won't judge you :)

[Anonymous No.2071359]

>>2071309
show me master

[Anonymous No.2071378]

>>2071346
The reason you should drop chickem scratching is that the constant slight jerking of the fingers and wrists over a year will give you carpal tunnel.

It also does nothing to improve your line work and muscle memory.

[Anonymous No.2071381]

>usually paint 1-2 hours a day
>get super inspired and decide to sit down and paint for another 2-3 hours
>photoshit goes fucking spurglord for my first time ever and takes a half min to register ANY ACTION, even brush strokes

why?

[Anonymous No.2071383]

>>2071381
too much in memory? try starting it over

[Anonymous No.2071386]

>>2071346

nope, keep doing what you're doing buddy, sounds like you're going to be juuuust fine.

[Anonymous No.2071391]

I saw some guy doing this training where he drew a line several times over
How much should I do a day, Mine arent straight

[Anonymous No.2071398]

Here's a drawing I did in class, I've been doodling for years since I get so bored during classes but I've never done anything to improve myself although I love art, where do I go from here? What are my weakest points, my strong points? Some people have told me I have talent and that I draw well but I think it's just the usual encouragement bullshit. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.2071400]

>>2071391
Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han.
Very good series.

[Anonymous No.2071406]

>>2071398
Read the sticky nigga.

[Anonymous No.2071407]

>>2071400
Would this work for Tablets?

[Anonymous No.2071418]

>>2071407
Do it on paper.

[Anonymous No.2071423]

>>2071386
someone is triggered

[Anonymous No.2071436]

Some shapes I guess

[Anonymous No.2071454]

>>2071436
I don't think that's enough effort to be useful
you're not focusing on any aspect, be it shape, shading, or even lines

[Anonymous No.2071457]

>>2071454
How should I apply this practice?
Try to put it on a 3d Plane?

[Anonymous No.2071464]

>>2071457
that would be good, yes
just simply have straight constant lines would be better than this
even in this picture for example, it's a basic kind of exercise but he's including shadows, bounce light and at least aiming at correct shapes
if you're not trying to get something right you're not gonna learn

[Anonymous No.2071467]

>>2071423

Sometimes, when people are so resistant to good advice it's best to just tell them what they want to hear.

[Anonymous No.2071474]

>>2071467
Except you didnt say what I wanted to hear. >>2071355 did. I wanted a practical reason and what it would actually accomplish, not "do it because i said so"

[Anonymous No.2071477]

why can't I grasp perspective?

[Anonymous No.2071478]

>>2071464
Hows this?

[Anonymous No.2071480]

>>2071478
stop trollin nigga

[Anonymous No.2071481]

>>2071480
But... Im not...
What looks wrong here?
I tried getting the sides of the cube to get smaller as it went further from the viewer
I even tried to get the ball the cast a shadow onto the cube for extra credit

[Anonymous No.2071485]

>>2071481
make them look like these
http://whitneyyubai.com/2013/10/14/the-basics-cube-and-sphere/

[Anonymous No.2071491]

>>2071485
Like this?

[Anonymous No.2071500]

>>2071485
>>2071491
And the cube

[Anonymous No.2071563]

Im on my third drawing now so i thought id post my beginning. any criticism is welcome.. im just starting to learn.

im gonna do more basic practice like gesture and flow with stick figures, im rushing too fast trying to draw full characters.

[Anonymous No.2071564]

>>2071563
and something i was doing right now.. i enter drawings going for style but always end up pushing into more realistic and it never works because i dont have the fundamentals.

i just want to draw quick images for fun :(

[Anonymous No.2071567]

>>2071491
>>2071500
You have literally no idea what perspective is. Go read a book.

[Anonymous No.2071569]

>>2071564
if you want to draw quick images for fun, maybe you should study gestures a lot more

[Anonymous No.2071580]

>>2071569
ok ill fill a page and post after

[Anonymous No.2071581]

>>2071569
Is the Red drawing a proper Gesture?

[Anonymous No.2071585]

>>2071581
No, a gesture should be very dynamic
just check out one of the many videos available on youtube

[Anonymous No.2071593]

>>2071581
nah i drew it to check my proportions, i wasnt really focusing on gesture, just getting similar lengths (i failed)

[Anonymous No.2071606]

>>2071585
>>2071593
Is this? Just a basic drawing

[Anonymous No.2071626]

>>2071606
HURR THOSE ARE CONTOURS DURR

[Anonymous No.2071629]

everyday is suffering

[Anonymous No.2071630]

wanted to see if im missing the point before i continue

[Anonymous No.2071631]

>>2071630
you are

[Anonymous No.2071632]

>>2071631
stick to quick lines?

[Anonymous No.2071635]

>>2071477
Practice perspective views with the 'bean like' shape of the torso on its own first. then try and attach limbs to it.

[Anonymous No.2071636]

>>2071629
looks enjoyable to me. how long have you been practicing? this looks more like what i should be doing.

[Anonymous No.2071637]

>>2071629
you have really good rhythm on some of these. keep going

[Anonymous No.2071639]

>>2071630
Try from reference first before you make stuff up

[Anonymous No.2071640]

>>2071564
Think more 3d

[Anonymous No.2071641]

Should i do Keys to drawing with Loomis at the same time? or should i finish one by one?

[Anonymous No.2071646]

>>2071635
ive only heard that once before and i have a thing showing it if it helps

[Anonymous No.2071654]

I can't even tell if this looks ok or like complete shit. How do i make it more interesting while keeping it low profile? Should i push the highlights more?
Also don't worry i have not jet finished the treads.

[Anonymous No.2071655]

>>2071654
I can't correct, but that perspective doesn't seem right

[Anonymous No.2071815]

Hello. I'm pretty nervous to post anything since I never draw anything because most of my time is spent on something that happens on /diy/. But I'm also interested to learn to draw and here´s what I'm capable of.

[Anonymous No.2071846]

>>2071654
add a strong light source, fix the perspective on the front plate of the tank, and the side plate, theyre making the tank look super flat

[Anonymous No.2071899]

>>2071654
It looks extremely flat. The field of view is way too narrow and the values are hard to make out.

[Anonymous No.2071903]

Ok then, I have a sketch that looks decent for my standards. Should I start drawing or should I sketch the background first? Or should I draw the background in a separate, unrelated layer and then merge the layers together at the end?

[Anonymous No.2071904]

Complete newfag here. I want to get a good grip of anatomy and proportion. I have a somewhat basic understanding of what figure and gesture drawing is. Do I just practice those for now or should I try and go read a book on anatomy or something like that?

[Anonymous No.2071917]

trying friends

[Anonymous No.2071930]

>>2071917
you should probably go to to /gd/

[Anonymous No.2071994]

>>2071903
took it a step further.
dunno if I should ink + color or paint this one.
sorry if I post WIPs but I'd rather know the major flaws in the drawing/sketching phase

[Anonymous No.2072000]

>>2071994
Needs more vilppu (Gestures) And the face needs some loomis.

[Anonymous No.2072009]

Any critique on the facial anatomy? Trying to practice linework from imagination.

[Anonymous No.2072021]

I need to practice everything. I cheat and don't draw full bodies. I also have awful anatomy.

[Anonymous No.2072082]

>>2071567
Not that anon, but what would you suggest for a book on perspective?

[Anonymous No.2072101]

>>2071904
I think I accidentally my own nightmare fuel.

[Anonymous No.2072102]

>>2072082
Start off with "Perspective Made Easy" by Ernest Norling.

[Anonymous No.2072104]

>>2072021
The only way to get better at it is to do the things you are bad at. Start with gestures (30 seconds) and draw stick figures if you have to but focus on proportion and getting the entire figure (head to hands and feet) and the placement of the limbs. After you can do that, move on to 1 minute and keep the same process. Placement of the limbs. You have a little more time so start blocking in the space the body takes up. Move on to 2 minutes, keep up the same process. 5 minutes, 10 minutes, same process. When you've blocked the body in and have more time then go for large chunks of shadows, and things like the placement of eyes/nose/mouth.

As for anatomy the only way around it is to study it. I know that in the book thread there are a few very good anatomy books that explain things in terms of form and function. Anatomy books for sculptors and sometimes ones made for artists are great, try not to delve into medical stuff though as it has a different purpose.

Good luck.

[Anonymous No.2072113]

>>2071904
Do both. For longer poses you also need to work on your technique with your pencil and going from large shapes/forms to smaller ones.

[Anonymous No.2072114]

>>2072000
didn't know what to do with her left hand. tomorrow I have a warhammer game vs a friend of mine, I use Skaven. So, a rat.
Yeah, back to Vilppu for me. Skipped all the gesture drawing part since it was frustrating, couldn't get the dynamism I needed.
Thanks for the feedback

[Anonymous No.2072139]

>>2072000

I didn't know what to do with her left hand. tomorrow I have a warhammer game vs a friend of mine, I use Skaven. So, a rat.
Yeah, back to Vilppu for me. Skipped all the gesture drawing part since it was frustrating, couldn't get the dynamism I needed.
Thanks for the feedback

[Anonymous No.2072164]

>>2072139
Never skip when studying books. Good luck on your studies.

[Anonymous No.2072165]

I am doing it right or wrong? If I am doing it wrong help me fix my mistakes please!

[Anonymous No.2072168]

>>2072165
What are you trying to do? What was the point of the study (proportion, balance, general gestures, active/inactive areas, etc) and how much time did you have for those?

[Anonymous No.2072172]

>>2072168
I am studying Hampton. The drawing on the right is my gesture study and the on the left is my T study (the meat that gets pinched) These are my drawings after 5 hours of study.

[Anonymous No.2072173]

Sometimes it feels like I'm getting contradictory advice. For example "symbol drawing" is something I need to avoid, and I get that. But construction (as in Fun With A Pencil) seems to be glorified symbol drawing. In fact, I can't imagine drawing from imagination at all without symbol drawing. I find drawing from imagination impossible though. I guess I'll just keep drawing anyway.

[Anonymous No.2072174]

>>2072139
Keep working at it. I personally love Mattesi's book Force for gestures. Helped a lot on finding certain rhythms. But gestures are crucial, not even just for figure drawing. They teach (when timed especially) efficiency of detail, which is something that tends to separate beginner from skilled draftsman. It's also a speed-boosted version of practicing your ability to assess a form for things like balance, rhythm, contours and angles, observation, and a dozen other things. You can never do too many gesture drawings.

[Anonymous No.2072175]

>>2072173
Symbol drawing is basically not drawing what you see. You're thinking "I know this shit" and putting down something that isn't necessarily there.

Construction actually is only part of the solution, and while it is, in a way, similar - it's actually just a base to work off of, if that makes sense. Something made entirely off of construction could be considered symbol drawing but it's totally fine to use as a starting point, which is it's intended purpose.

Drawing from imagination is, again, a different issue. If you'd like I can find some things that explain how to do studies that will build up your visual library and draw from imagination but I'm going to warn you it's hard work and it requires a lot of switching between studies and imagination. It is worth it though.

>keep drawing anyway
That's a good thing to do but maybe not for those reasons, haha.

[Anonymous No.2072179]

>>2072175
>Construction actually is only part of the solution, and while it is, in a way, similar - it's actually just a base to work off of, if that makes sense.
It does, thanks, and
>If you'd like I can find some things that explain how to do studies that will build up your visual library and draw from imagination but I'm going to warn you it's hard work and it requires a lot of switching between studies and imagination.
I appreciate it but it'd probably be lost on me completely. I just need to do basic things more right now.

[Anonymous No.2072183]

>>2072179
Then hop to it and make sure you post it, bro.

[Anonymous No.2072186]

>>2072175
That's not symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2072187]

>>2072186
Then explain.

[Anonymous No.2072188]

>>2072172
Hey guys I still need help

[Anonymous No.2072190]

>>2072188
The guy who answered you pretty much asked the only thing we can. What were you trying to get better at, exactly? That's kind of the point of studies. Try drawing on your own and seeing how much of that stuck, and look at what didn't work. Just copying a picture is wasting time.

It's important to have a specific goal for a study, and it barely matters what that is. Need more control over your values? Find a way to study that, take notes during, and then at the end recreate it and see if you really got the idea.

The brain also needs time to process, so some days you just won't get it and then it'll "click" the next morning.

[Anonymous No.2072191]

>>2072187
It's a stereotypical drawing of something. And construction drawing, using simple forms etc, is essential symbol drawing. Pretty much every method favored on /ic/ is in some way symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2072192]

>>2072190
But I didn't copy it. I am trying to do gestures imagination.Also Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.2072193]

>>2072192
Apologies, worded it poorly. Didn't mean to imply that you were just copying there.

[Anonymous No.2072198]

>>2072191
>It's a stereotypical drawing of something
What do you mean by "stereotypical" here?

[Anonymous No.2072214]

so what is drawing with the right side of the brain about? anyone here had any great improvements? i'm on the "draw your own hand without instructions" part.

i hope this isn't some hippie crap about learning how to draw facebook tier photorealistic pictures

[Anonymous No.2072216]

>>2072214
It's not. Unfortunately though about a quarter of the way through she starts telling you to hit different stores and make lots of tools that you ultimately don't need. It's at that point where people move on to other books.

[Anonymous No.2072221]

>>2072198
It's a generalization that is oversimplified and exaggerated.

[Anonymous No.2072223]

>>2072221
I know what the word means, I was just asking for you (or them) to contextualize it. "It's a oversimplified generalized drawing of something" doesn't make much sense.

[Anonymous No.2072226]

>>2072223
Do you not understand what a gross generalization is?

[Anonymous No.2072228]

How does life drawing improve overall skills the most instead of photos and such? Drawing an apple or something from life somehow improves everything else I do.

[Anonymous No.2072229]

>>2072226
So you're saying that symbol drawing is when people generalize drawing? How does that make any sense?

[Anonymous No.2072230]

>>2072228
do?*

[Anonymous No.2072234]

>>2072228
It's easier to find the shapes to draw in a picture because your subject is completely fixed in perspective and truly two dimensional. Finding the shapes in real life is harder because you're more prone to seeing the objects "in 3d", and it becomes harder to find the shapes to draw. The difficulty that you face replicating the shapes two dimensionally creates a connection between three dimensional objects and the abstract shapes they create. Understanding that connection is crucial to virtually all drawing, regardless of style.

There's probably more to it, but that's just what I've discovered for myself so far. Sorry if I explained this weirdly, it's hard for me to explain.

[Anonymous No.2072238]

>>2072229
Comics are symbol drawing
Animation is symbol drawing
Concept art is symbol drawing
Illustration art is symbol drawing
Drawing from imagination is symbol drawing.

When you simplify and exaggerate something to express it's most basic essence, its general idea, you are symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2072239]

>>2072228
>How does life drawing improve overall skills the most instead of photos and such?

Jesus fuck dude give it a rest. From the sketchbook thread to the draw thread, and now onto the beginner thread with this same stuff.

[Anonymous No.2072240]

>>2072239
I haven't posted in awhile, don't know who you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.2072242]

>>2072238
>>2072229
Maybe this will give a decent explanation as to the difference between them? If not, well I gave it a shot.

Symbol drawing is when you just recognize what a shape has looked like in the past and you throw it in there, despite it not actually being what's depicted. That's why Betty has the "upside-down man" exercise, you don't get the chance to put your own memorized symbols in there. It's the kind of thing you see in anime and people who just emulate it. The same shapes, the same eyes, every time.

Construction however, relies on building up through the rules that you know, then later adding on the variations. So in this picture, you start with the ball and use the proportions that you know are 100% going to be correct. Then you start finding your way around, as if your eyes were closed and you're looking through your house for landmarks.
>Okay I'm in the bathroom, kitchen is a few feet that way
>Okay here's the eyebrow, there's the chin. The bottom of the nose is directly between the two. These line up with the ear.
You set up the "scaffolding", then go to town since it's actually going to be accurate to what you're seeing. You made sure of that. It's also tremendously important to be able to think in 3D terms, because that's what drawing is - the illusion of 3D onto a 2D surface.

[Anonymous No.2072245]

>>2072242
Thanks, your explanation was really clear. The step from construction to finished drawing was probably what I didn't get.

I definitely don't know how to do construction though. Some books I've read talk about how you shouldn't learn how to draw anything in particular, but equip yourselves with the tools to draw anything. So I guess that means being able to draw constructions for any objects that are in front of you? That seems hard, especially for landscapes (I can't imagine what a construction for a tree or bush would look like), but I guess it makes sense. I think Keys To Drawing goes over drawing basic shapes (cube, cone, cylinder, sphere) as an outline for the objects you're going to draw IRL.

[Anonymous No.2072250]

>>2072245
And those books are right. The idea is you take a hundred different methods, techniques and tools and learn how to use them all to solve problems. That way, if something fails to help, you have something else you learned that comes in handy. That's mostly what drawing comes down to, solving problems again and again until it's just second nature to you.

So for example, if I couldn't figure out where the nose was in the picture I posted, I could cut a straight line on my reference (red line) from the nose straight across and find what it hits.

Or if I can't quite replicate the curve of his eyelid, I can draw some straight lines across on my reference (blue lines), and then recreate them on my..."stage"(?). I know those lines will be accurate because I've made a point this far in the study to keep everything as certain as possible.

Try this, if the link doesn't work just google the name. It's free and a billion sites host it. It covers this kind of thing, different methods to get around problems.

[Anonymous No.2072259]

>>2072242
Oh god I should have resized that, sorry guys.

[Anonymous No.2072263]

>>2072242
>>2072245
Shape based drawing and construction drawing are still symbol drawing. Shape is used to generalize in one and simple forms to generalize in the other. And no considering perspective doesn't make it any less of symbol drawing. You'll just be generalizing about perspective.

[Anonymous No.2072272]

>>2072269
Wrote this comment in another thread and thought I'd link it here.

pls hlp

[Anonymous No.2072295]

>>2072263
Just like how arguing the minutiae of the semantics involved is not in any way less than shitposting and makes you a troll.

Go away now.

[Anonymous No.2072303]

>>2072295
You'd think that kind of thing stays out of the beginner threads. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.2072304]

>>2071815
Try reading Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing. Also try picking up some new materials. The sticky says that it's okay to use cheap pencils but experimenting is worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.2072312]

>>2072295
Often times the reason one struggles to no avail is because of a misunderstanding of a very basic concept.

[Anonymous No.2072313]

ayyy dumb question:
is it bad to use a graphics tablet as a mousepad? Are the teflon feet gonna fuck up the surface at all?

[Anonymous No.2072316]

>>2072229
It doesn't, the guys an idiot.

>>2072214
It's a book for beginners, it teaches basic techniques and how to use materials. It will also help with basic workflow concepts. The "science" part gave me the shits so I switched to keys to drawing.

[Anonymous No.2072321]

>>2072316
Edwards defines it in the glossary of the 1st edition of her book as, "stereotypical" I know more about this stuff then you could possibly imagine.

[Anonymous No.2072334]

>>2072321
not any of the guys that replied to you but it doesn't seem like you do, it sounds like you're just regurgitating whatever you read in the book without understanding it

[Anonymous No.2072338]

>>2071359
He won't, since it would take a god awful amount of practise to actualy be able to draw heads in such a short time and with minimal amount of lines. Two minutes is already pretty damm fast in my opinion, you could try to add more details in that time or finish up faster over time. Making this huge jump from 2 mins to only 30 secs seems to sxtreme for me

[Anonymous No.2072343]

>>2072321
It sounds like you don't actually know anything.
>>2072338
I am the anon he replied to. I will, I'm simply swamped with work. And I can't use my tablet, to boot. I have to do it on paper.
Contrarily to what you might think it can be done in 30 seconds. Two minutes is rong time, one minute is ideal. 30 seconds is just to push what one can do.
That said, I didn't tell him to draw heads in 30 seconds, I told him to draw gestures of heads in 30 seconds. There's a difference there. Although I could also demonstrate heads in 30 seconds.

[Anonymous No.2072347]

>>2072334
>>2072343
I don't see anyone here that know anything about what they're saying. You anons are just throwing sticky books at each other and making up shit as you go.

[Anonymous No.2072349]

>>2072347
agree, why even giving advice when it's the usual 'needs more loomis' and such.

[Anonymous No.2072356]

>>2072349
Yeah, why even have a beginner thread at all?

[Anonymous No.2072381]

this is stuff over the last few days, i don't know how to shade :(

does anyone have any good resources for drawing plants or insects?

[Anonymous No.2072403]

>>2072381
Read the sticky
Apply Loomis to everything

[Anonymous No.2072444]

>>2072113
Does technique with pencil mean not doing chicken scratches and instead try doing longer lines or is it about something else? Also, thank you.

[Anonymous No.2072517]

So what should I practice first?
Anatomy, perspective or many Gesture drawings?

[Anonymous No.2072527]

>>2072444
yes, you need to be more confident in your linework.
a great way to improve it is to draw objects without looking at the paper, it will look shitty the first times as usual but its ok. it improves concentration and hand-eye coordination, and you need both

[Anonymous No.2072536]

>>2072527
>a great way to improve it is to draw objects without looking at the paper, it will look shitty the first times as usual but its ok.
I will give that a shot, thanks a lot. Though my biggest excuse for chicken scratches is that I have a bit of shaky hands, as in my hands are noticeably shakier than most other peoples, but I will still try the suggested exercises. Again, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2072538]

>>2071904
Stay away from in-depth anatomy books for now.
Focus on improving line quality, forms and gesture.
You need to work on the general before you work on the detail.
As far as reading goes try loomis books or vilppus drawing manual.
There are also tons of videos out there by vilppu try watching some of those.

[Anonymous No.2072628]

Holy shit construction is hard. I don't even know if this is worth salvaging.

[Anonymous No.2072630]

>>2072628
Nope, trash it. Looks like you need perspective. I recommend How to Draw.

[Anonymous No.2072633]

>>2072628
It's not. You're getting too technical for your own good without truly understanding why; start with very big shapes like a sphere for the cranium and a pyramid for the jaw, instead of the lines for the brow ridge and the temple and everything. Points for challenging yourself, but probably choose a simpler angle for now, too.

[Anonymous No.2072636]

>>2072630
>>2072633
Alright thanks for the crit. I actually did start with those basic shapes but when it came to the jaw, I found myself relying a lot on the reference after the basic V shape. I guess go back to even more basics.

[Anonymous No.2072638]

>>2072538
I have both Loomis and Vilppu on my HDD so I'll give those a try and will try to do some general practices for now. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.2072639]

>>2072628

What I've found with trying to construct from reference is that the result I get is always incredibly off from what I'm aiming for because I'm neglecting 2d thinking and jumping straight to 3d.

Thats the problem I think you're facing right now, using construction alone wont let you get an accurate study of your photo reference, and you'll feel discouraged as a result. I'm not saying that you should be aiming to just copy the image without paying attention to the construction you're trying to practice, I'm saying you shouldn't neglect measuring it out and establishing relationships between different features of your reference.

Green lines first so you dont want to shoot yourself, red lines second so you can learn something.

[Anonymous No.2072645]

>>2072639
I found that too. When I draw just using negative space and measuring it's a lot closer than well, what I posted. So basically I should
>measure
>place landmarks
>construct basic shapes
>more landmakrs
>start to refine construction

[Anonymous No.2072651]

>>2072645

Sounds good.

[Anonymous No.2072729]

Does anyone have a tutorial for figures, faces etc with oil paints?
My set up doesn't allow for thin lines and such, but id still like to practice using my computer.

[Anonymous No.2072735]

I'm reading Scott Robertson's book on How to Draw, and I'm rather confused here.

From the SP, he has two cone of visions going 90 degrees and 60 degrees.
How did he do that and how do you measure a cone in degrees?

[Anonymous No.2072777]

Rarely draw, never learned construction, no fancy programs, too tired of looking at it to clean it up.

[Anonymous No.2072781]

>>2072735
Pg 24 and 25 explain this. So turn the page.

[Anonymous No.2072833]

started hampton
around the part where he talks about the torso
am I doin it right

[Anonymous No.2072896]

Thoughts on Vandruff's perspective lectures? I'm in love with Marshall and at $1 a vid, I'd be happy to support him for the lectures. I'm about as knowledgeable as any layman out there about perspective (meaning I'm not at all knowledgeable probably) and I'm wondering if this is a good starting point for me.

[Anonymous No.2072898]

>>2072896
I really don't like him but the perspective stuff was good. It's basically Perspective made Easy in lecture form, plus some extras like the one in the pic which were very nice.

[Kurisuchan No.2072904]

I'm just starting and trying to get a good style but here is something I drew a day ago

[Anonymous No.2072910]

>>2072904 Well if you are just starting don't bother with style. Learn the basics and realistic drawing first. Your Paint figure looks absolutely terrible.
Also
>Read the Sticky

[Anonymous No.2072955]

>>2072833
Legs are way too far apart

[Anonymous No.2073004]

I'm about to ink this, but I can't shake the feeling that there's something missing in it.

If you have any suggestion as to what I could add to it, please tell me!

[Anonymous No.2073016]

>>2073004
Is the guy hunting on a pony?

[Anonymous No.2073025]

>>2073016
he's a big guy

[Anonymous No.2073027]

>>2073025
For you

[Anonymous No.2073031]

Just gunna dump some black ink sketches, hope for the best

[Anonymous No.2073032]

>>2073031

[Anonymous No.2073036]

>>2071029
Does anyone have the original artwork of OP'
s picture?

[Anonymous No.2073046]

>>2073032

[Anonymous No.2073067]

I make 20 of these and feel somewhat accomplish, and then, after putting the pictures side by side, there are so many obvious mistakes.

I feel like, I got to do a 100 more of these.

[Anonymous No.2073079]

>>2073004
horse's dick should be longer

[Anonymous No.2073081]

>>2073004
well I started this shit, already fuck up a little but whatever

[Anonymous No.2073084]

>>2073004
>>2073081
I think the riders pelvis and legs are a bit too small.

[Anonymous No.2073154]

>>2073046
>>2073032
>>2073031
tumblr?

[Anonymous No.2073169]

>>2073081
You are much better at drawing animals than people. So keep it up anon!

[Anonymous No.2073227]

>>2073169
humans are animals too!

I just did some progress.
I'm not sure where I'll go from here.

[Anonymous No.2073245]

I have no idea if this is the right thread to post this in but whatever, I really want someone's opinions and critiques on my drawings.

I have two : Walter White from season one of Breaking Bad and Steve Carell

Any comments/advice/opinions/critiques would be much appreciated

[Anonymous No.2073246]

>>2073245
And here's Steve

[Anonymous No.2073273]

>>2073245
>>2073246
you should give the sticky a try

[Anonymous No.2073283]

>>2073273
Well where in the fuck else am I supposed to post my drawings?

[Anonymous No.2073284]

>>2073273
User-created artwork is submitted for critique, and visual art is discussed. Do not claim authorship of works you did not create.
Only constructive criticism will be accepted. Rude or offensive comments will result in a ban.
Requests for free work of any sort are forbidden.
Discussion of drawing tablets belongs in /g/.


Alright, I'm a user and I posted a couple drawings that I made and I want people to critique it. Which rule exactly am I breaking?

[Anonymous No.2073286]

>>2073284
pretty sure spamming is against global rules shitposter-kun

[Anonymous No.2073288]

>>2073283
How can one person be so outstandingly retarded?

[Anonymous No.2073289]

>>2073283
>>2073284

[Anonymous No.2073295]

>>2073289
oh shit

welp im retarded, completely missed that
ayy lmao if you can't tell this is my first time on /ic/ ;^)

[Anonymous No.2073300]

>>2073284
You did not break any rules, I analyzed your work and concluded that you needed to FUCKING READ THE STICKY AND GITGUD FUCKER.

But if you want something more detailed then:
I think you sort of understand your values, even if your drawings don't even look remotely like your references. You should read the sticky and practice a lot. You could eventually become a better artist

[Anonymous No.2073304]

>>2073300
Huh, thanks man.
also read >>2073295
I realised how fucking stupid i am ;__;

Anyways I know I definitely have a lot of improving to do so I don't plan on stopping here. Next, I wanna try drawing Michael De Santa from GTA V

Also, somebody said to me that these two drawing give off a very "folk"-like vibe to them. I sort of see what they were talking about, do you see it or nah?

[Anonymous No.2073311]

>>2073300
Oh same anon as >>2073304
I have a question. The drawing of Steve Carell was my second piece and I really tried improving some of the things that I failed on with Walter. Do you find that I improved at all?

[Anonymous No.2073323]

>>2073311
Different anon.
Answer that for yourself. Did you improve? Don't ask yourself if the second one looks better than the first one, that's not improvement - ask if you can now draw faces better as a result of the second drawing. To me? No, you did not improve. Read the sticky = Needs more Loomis = Learn your fundamentals. The sticky outlines quite clearly what those are, and you are struggling with quite a few of them. Loomis covers facial proportions (Drawing the Head and Hands) and you are expected one way or another how to draw 3d forms. Both pictures, you choose to do neither. These are problems that you would have overcome on your own had you simply drawn more and more, or read the sticky. Remember that people who critique pieces take time and effort into their critiques, when /ic/ has to repeatedly cover the same mistake over and over and over again - the same mistake that the Sticky should solve - you can see why so many anons don't bother. And it's not your fault, everyone does it. You will read the sticky, grab some Loomis and Vilppu and maybe some Hogarth, and there will be more anons out there that post their fundamental-less drawings and receive the same critique: Read the sticky. And to you and those newfag anons out there, please remember that this is a board of people all learning to get better, not masters waiting to waste their time on your insignificant sketch full of errors you can solve on your own. Have a little respect for the other anons.

[Anonymous No.2073328]

>>2072101
thats not how you lightning bolts

[Anonymous No.2073332]

>>2073323
Wow, I'm sorry. I don't mean that sarcastically either, I really had no idea. I will improve and I will read the sticky. I just need to devote more time to it is all, and I plan on doing just that. I just started two jobs recently and well, the schedule is kind of fucked right now but once I get settled in and comfy I'll try to put more time into this.

Although, I mean, I guess I wanted to do this more as a hobby. My dream more-so has to do with cartoons and shit but I know that practicing this stuff can also help me with that stuff. Thank you for the honest critique.

[Anonymous No.2073334]

>>2073332
No problem anon. We all have things that get in the way of drawing, but if you're truly passionate about it you will find time. Just keep drawing and keep learning, you will improve vastly.

[Anonymous No.2073357]

the concept of light changing colors is so difficult.
blue light? yellow light? white light? jesus christ what the fuck? and a simple hue change can make the entire piece look broken.
I dont even know if this is remotely correct or not. or rather, fitting to this style. or rather, composed well, at least...

and then whats the next step? How would I render all of this? what would I even start with? someone teach me how to paint. I'm already reading boxfulls of color theory...

[Anonymous No.2073376]

Okay I'm sorry for the really shit photo and also the fact that it was taken in a shitty lighting and with a phone.. but it's 2am and everyone is asleep and I can't figure for the sake of me: How do you draw limbs or something that is not in the same perspective (as my drawing, for example)?? It's really hard to explain but I put a question mark on the right arm of my drawing to show what I meant. Am I taking things too technical or should I just eye it? I've been doing Loomis like crazy for the past 2 days and can barely sleep because I want to continue to study.

[Anonymous No.2073384]

>>2073357
Your draftsmanship is shite. I'd suggest you go back to fundamentals for a while before rendering.
That said, I'm really digging the monochromatic look.

[Anonymous No.2073391]

>>2073154
I don't have one currently as I don't feel my work is up to par, I do have much more I could post if you'd like though, as I am always up for constructive criticism

[Anonymous No.2073395]

>>2073357
I like this picture.

[Anonymous No.2073466]

wawnananana

[Anonymous No.2073468]

>>2073466
messed up on the leg placement

[Anonymous No.2073534]

I've been working on this for sometime and i'm having some issues with its hands and background stuff.
Opinions?

[Anonymous No.2073546]

>>2073328
Sorry. How do I correctly do them though?

[Anonymous No.2073594]

I just started reading Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and it's telling me I need a bunch of shit. I'm assuming I don't actually need anything except a pencil and some paper, but I'm curious about the pencil. It says to use a 4B pencil, which I happen to have, but what difference does it make to use that instead of an HB? I'd rather just use HB if it's no big deal, since it's what I've used all my life.

[Anonymous No.2073602]

>>2073594
If you're a total beginner it really doesn't matter; many professionals still just use like Ticonderoga pencils for sketching.

But for reference http://pencils.com/what-is-a-no-2-pencil/

[Anonymous No.2073604]

Where to find more Vilpplu's videos about gestures? I need some feels

[Anonymous No.2073605]

>>2073594
You do need that shit it's essential to the books excersises, start with keys to drawing until you've got your shit together.

[Anonymous No.2073643]

any glaring mistakes

[Anonymous No.2073660]

>>2073643
The hand seems kinda fucked. The fingers look stubby and flat and don't really have volume.

[Anonymous No.2073674]

>>2073604
Various torrent sites, or here: www.vilppustore.com

[Anonymous No.2073735]

>>2073594
You're better off buying all that stuff, man. The exercises use them extensively.
They're dirt-cheap to boot.

[foxdit No.2073751]

Another anon pointed me in the direction of Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han. Thanks to whoever that was. Normally I'm posting up a storm in these beginner threads with endless rendering studies and figure drawing, but this has stopped due to focusing dedicatedly on my draftsmanship skills with Peter Han's instruction. It's improving my sense/understanding fundamentals a LOT.
This was a PSA for anyone else out there who's finding themselves falling into a 'rendering trap' when they really should be focusing on construction, form, and general drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.2073765]

>>2073605
>>2073735
>betty edwards pls go and stay go

[Anonymous No.2073769]

>>2073765
>implying you give money to betty when you buy basic drawing tools
Are you literally brain-dead?

[Anonymous No.2073771]

[Anonymous No.2073773]

>any comments or critique?

[Anonymous No.2073776]

>>2073751

Good shit man. I'm of the opinion that too many anons in the beginner threads try jumping straight into figure studies (or jumping into them after copying a few loomis heads from fun with a pencil) and no one here really understands what "fundamentals" actually mean.

Basically the best way to git gud at the fundamentals is learning about geometric shapes, learning how to draw them in 3d from any angle, and use that knowledge to build up to complex shapes, or use basic 3d shapes to practice shit like lighting, color, etc etc.

Here's a good series of exercises that I found helpful:

http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

Start your way up from lesson one.

[Anonymous No.2073777]

>>2073735
yes. this is a good point. it's also always useful to use different tools when you're learning. which is probably why she recommends them.

[Anonymous No.2073778]

>>2073769
>Self-Portrait Mirror
>Red Gel
>Small Picture Plane/Viewfinder
>Large Picture Plane/Viewfinder
>Angle finder
>Proportion finder
>basic drawing tools
You need a pencil, an eraser, something to sharp the pencil and paper, anything else for a beginner is snake oil. If you really want you can buy a kneded eraser and some 4b, 6b and 9b pencils but unless you're rendering (you shouldn't be) you won't be using it much.

[Anonymous No.2073783]

>>2073778
most of those things are pieces of card which i think she gives you instructions on how to turn into viewfinders etc. in the book.


and the red gel is for making what you used to call a "black mirror" right?

which is super super useful. basicly the real world equivalent of "desaturate" in photoshop.

[Anonymous No.2073790]

>>2073778
>mirror you could have anywhere in the house
>red gel you can get out of your mom's period
>small picture plane you make out of one piece of cardboard
>large picture plane you make out of another piece of cardboard
>"angle finder" which is literally made of cardboard
>proportion finder which is also literally made of cardboard
>snake oil

You're probably shit.

[Anonymous No.2073819]

Can anyone help me with face construction?. I been going via Loomis and Proko but I'm still somewhat need help.

The face looks wrong but I'm not experienced enough to diagnose what the issue is

[foxdit No.2073820]

>>2073776
Thanks, that seems like a cool resource.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you. It seems to me that good artists create their complex shapes from simple ones. Even if it appears they're glossing over the construction, the beginner steps of drawing the connecting fundamental forms and using contour to define that form in a 3D space is essential. Being able to understand/see in 3D what you're putting on a 2D medium is a huge part of the road to gettin' gud. It's nice to have a clear directional goal instead of floating around in that rendering trap, wondering why I'm not getting any better at drawing from imagination and not understanding why something looks off / doesn't come out right.

[Anonymous No.2073846]

>>2073790
>>2073783
>missing the point
Go back and read the whole argument, they are literally saying "BUY THIS STUFF SO YOU CAN GET GOOD".
>>2073765

And it's not even the first time i see this shit happening, people unironically recommending beginners to buy bloatware.

[Anonymous No.2073849]

>>2073846
>that one retard in all of the beginner threads
Hello, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2073861]

Is image in a mirror 2D or 3D?

[Anonymous No.2073923]

>>2073643
fixed some things
now going to work on the hand

[Anonymous No.2073994]

>>2073861
3D

[Anonymous No.2074091]

New beginner thread when?

[Anonymous No.2074100]

>>2074091
Not yet. This thread has just been slow.

[Anonymous No.2074177]

Any tips on how to render?
Used the hard round brush at 50% opacity and pen pressure on

Ignore my shitty cast shadow

[Anonymous No.2074181]

>>2074177
Value wise, it's not too bad. Your strokes are flat though, meaning they're not wrapping around the ball in a way that most makes sense. This is most apparent in the edges, where your strokes aren't curving enough.

The strokes you use to render something are a powerful way to describe it's form, so use that to your advantage.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.2074214]

>>2073773
head out of proportion from body
unless you wanted it that way

[Anonymous No.2074287]

practicing some hands and feet. i just want to know if theres anything majorly wrong with them

1/4

[Anonymous No.2074288]

>>2074287
2/4

[Anonymous No.2074289]

>>2074288
3/3

[Anonymous No.2074290]

>>2074289
4/4

[Anonymous No.2074303]

>>2074287
i meant faces, not feet.

[Anonymous No.2074342]

i'd while away the hours contemplating mouths

[Anonymous No.2074345]

>>2074290
these are pretty great, not in terms of proportion and all this, they're still very beginner but they have a certain feels

[Anonymous No.2074367]

>>2074345
they are literally feels. i got them from here http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/face-expression-practice/

im actually a lot better at portraits. my goal was to to a simple portrait quickly, and literally small. is my construction/proportions that bad that bad? also i should mention that the models, as an anon recently put it, needs more loomis themselves

[Anonymous No.2074389]

anything that isn't to broken in here? I dunno how to hair, was trying to get the body right.

[Anonymous No.2074396]

>>2074389
position of the features are okay...

have you tried using a mass-based method, like using a big brush?

[Anonymous No.2074407]

started drawing a tree in the class I was supposed to be subbing, but then I realized I had no idea how to draw leaves. Decided to draw circles instead.

Later on, tried to study leaves a bit, went about it this way. Any tips, /ic/?

[Anonymous No.2074411]

>>2074396
mass-based method? I don't think so, I can't get into any of the body constructing techniques or whatever you wana call them, that I see around here. I'm souprised that you couldn't find any fatal mistakes in there since I basicly just started drawing this randomly outa my head. The only things I know about drawing are some youtube vids i watched long ago and some pages of an animal drawing book i've read as a kid.

[Anonymous No.2074418]

>>2074396
>position of the features are okay
lol.
the definition of "the blind leading the blind".

[Anonymous No.2074419]

>>2074411
i mean just using a big brush really. because in mass drawing (or i guess you could just call it painting) you can move lines back and forth easily and change the shape of things as you go along.

you seemed so nervous about your lines i just though a more forgiving method might let you get on with it.

[Anonymous No.2074422]

>>2074389
I could list the things you've got wrong all day. Pick up a book.

>>2074396
>okay
Lasik surgery is still pretty expensive, I see.

[Anonymous No.2074428]

>>2074389
use a reference photo at least if youre not going to read

[Anonymous No.2074433]

>>2074422
Damm, i tought i had it, or atleast didn't drew it THAT wrong. I could try drawing some construct thing first, on the next drawing. I basicly drew the arm first and added the rest afterwards. A redline would also help me to actualy see my mistakes but i guess it would take to long anyway.

[Anonymous No.2074441]

>>2074433
A redline would mean literally redrawing in your case. I don't think anyone's going to do that for you.
Get a book.

[Anonymous No.2074450]

>>2074428
I think i'm way to picky when it comes to searching for reference, most times I try I just end up wasteing time that i could have spended drawing without even finding a decent picture. I will try again tonight after work, when the hangover finaly passed. I have so many questions but i can't get it together right now.

[Anonymous No.2074455]

YOLO
https://youtu.be/pn6MOXq9CBQ

[Anonymous No.2074457]

So i want to get good at drawing faces from imagination but i'm unsure how to practice, should i draw from reference or imagination? Drawing from imagination seems like the obvious way to go but i already started to develop same face / same angle syndrome. >Pic related

[Anonymous No.2074491]

Hi everyone. I got myself an intuos drawing tablet. I used to draw a lot when I was a kid and then I quit for several years. It was easy to convince my parents to get me a drawing tablet though, because I drew this really impressive picture of david bowie.

The problem is I am not interested in drawing reference drawing, I want to get into imaginative drawing. It's rather difficult for me to stay motivated, I started using the tablet yesterday and I have basically just been drawing gesture drawings. It's become very tedious and I'm not very good at it.

I had been at it all day, I managed to get one drawing where I finally got down some color. I find that it becomes much easier for me when I can get right to the shading. Doing contour drawings and stuff kind of fucks me up a bit, because I usually feel like I am butchering it that way. I dunno how usual it is for a beginner to jump right into shading and coloring, while they're doing gesture drawings and stuff. I feel like I would be more comfortable that way though.

Also does anyone have any ideas of what would be fun to draw besides people? I feel very bored with just drawing people, I feel like that is 99% of everything I try to draw and I am very sick of it. I feel like there is so much more to drawing than just people. Also I am very terrible at drawing clothes, but I may be better if I was able to skip right to the coloring and shading part.

[Anonymous No.2074494]

Hi everyone. I got myself an intuos drawing tablet. I used to draw a lot when I was a kid and then I quit for several years. It was easy to convince my parents to get me a drawing tablet for my birthday though, because I drew a really impressive picture of david bowie (which is not the picture I uploaded, that one I made yestersay).

The problem is I am not interested in drawing reference drawing, I want to get into imaginative drawing. It's rather difficult for me to stay motivated, I started using the tablet yesterday and I have basically just been drawing gesture drawings. It's become very tedious and I'm not very good at it.

I had been at it all day, I managed to get one drawing where I finally got down some color. I find that it becomes much easier for me when I can get right to the shading. Doing contour drawings and stuff kind of fucks me up a bit, because I usually feel like I am butchering it that way. I dunno how usual it is for a beginner to jump right into shading and coloring, while they're doing gesture drawings and stuff. I feel like I would be more comfortable that way though.

Also does anyone have any ideas of what would be fun to draw besides people? I feel very bored with just drawing people, I feel like that is 99% of everything I try to draw and I am very sick of it. I feel like there is so much more to drawing than just people. Also I am very terrible at drawing clothes, but I may be better if I was able to skip right to the coloring and shading part.

[Anonymous No.2074508]

>>2074494
If you don't want to draw people then draw something else, like robots or cats.
The point of drawing people is so that you can understand how to construct an from memory then stylize it if you so choose.

[Anonymous No.2074510]

So how this look?

[Anonymous No.2074519]

>>2074510
Awful.

[Anonymous No.2074520]

>>2074494
draw dicks

[Anonymous No.2074530]

>>2074519
On what?

[Anonymous No.2074534]

>>2074520
>>2074508
I do want to draw people though. My goal is to draw my own style of adorable yaoi. The problem is I can't seem to get a single gesture drawing down, and then to the point where I can start adding clothes and colors. It always comes out deformed and i don't know how to make it look sharp and crisp and vibrantly colorful like I always see people drawing them. I end up using skin tones of my own face, and then end up looking like that crap that I used to draw in that image I uploaded. I think I should start using the colors of other animated drawings... Other than that I will have to come up with something to draw besides human beings. I dunno yet, but it will probably be something disturbing lol

[Anonymous No.2074537]

can I do vilippu first before going into hampton?

[Anonymous No.2074538]

>>2073227
Well, I'm done with this

[Anonymous No.2074539]

>>2074534
drawing dicks sounds like exactly what you're looking for
screw clothing and all that rubbish, just draw dicks everywhere

[Anonymous No.2074540]

>>2074539
it sounds a little like you're disrespecting me, but okay. I would like to draw clothing, I'm more interested into drawing glorified cuteness than I am drawing something erotic. I want to look at /fa/ for cute designs to draw on the guys, for a feminine fashionable sort of look. I probably won't be drawing many dicks tbh. I just want to get this plane off the ground first.

[Anonymous No.2074541]

>>2074510
palm is too short

[Anonymous No.2074542]

>>2074538
really?

[Anonymous No.2074545]

>>2074540
you want to draw yaoi without dicks?
that doesn't sound very gay at all

[Anonymous No.2074548]

>>2074542
Yeah, I don't know what else to do

[Anonymous No.2074550]

>>2074530
On everything. Severe lack of fundamentals, looks like a 13 year old drew all of that. Judging by the anime face in the lower left you probably are about 13-16 years old anyway.

>>2074534
Read the sticky. You need to read either Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. You're probably going to go with Keys to Drawing since the other book requires you buy things (oh no!) but if you want to do this drawing thing properly you should read both AND buy the materials.
See, you lack the most basic of fundamentals. Getting a tablet wasn't a smart move at all, for the moment. I don't want to enumerate everything you did wrong so just read any of those two books. Ignore Loomis for now, you're not ready. And most importantly stop rendering, that's not what you should be focusing on.

>>2074538
Inking it ruined the drawing, honestly. The values are all over the place and it feels barren overall -- look at that blank sky. The space between the two subjects.
From the viewpoint of draftsmanship, the set-up in itself was flawed. The composition is quite frankly awful and I am not getting much from it. The lack of perspective certainly doesn't help: it feels like you've traced two different pictures and tried to make them play nice.
Don't get me started on the lighting. You should have thought that one through more thoroughly.

I do believe you have potential but you're currently focusing on the wrong areas.

[Anonymous No.2074552]

>>2074545
I guess I just have a loose term of the definition of yaoi. I would rather not get semantical, I feel like I am getting trolled right now but if not.. my goal isn't to draw homo erotic pictures, but rather pictures of maybe two guys making loving gestures, guys in pretty girly clothing. I would like to make something that is a nice and eye catching aesthetic. It seems a little ambitious to me but that's my ultimate goal that I have had in my mind for a while now. If I get to that level then I can probably start exploring more themes from there, such as the disturbing sorts of things I am also interested in drawing.

[Anonymous No.2074555]

>>2074519
remember this is the beginner thread pls

[Anonymous No.2074560]

Alright, I really want to get into drawing humans. Pic related is the very first time I actually tried to draw at all. I won't be humble -- I think I have a much better start than majority of people, so the question I want to ask is whether I can skip the very basic stuff and jump straight to practice by drawing from photos or reading Loomis' book on drawing humans.

[Anonymous No.2074561]

>>2074555
Yeah, so? Does that suddenly change "awful" to something else? Are you retarded?

Bad drawings are bad regardless of the thread, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2074563]

>>2074550
>Getting a tablet wasn't a smart move at all, for the moment.
That's a shame. Maybe I can use it anyways because it saves paper

[foxdit No.2074568]

>>2074561
Actually you're the problem this time. >>2074555
is reminding you that "awful" is the standard here. You're not going to see much better than awful in this thread and everyone in this thread understands that, so saying it's awful is pointless. Instead people post in this thread for what I'm about to do

>>2074510
You're drawing what you think anatomy looks like instead of really what's there, aka "symbol drawing." If you're serious about getting better I'd suggest reading How to Draw or working with a Loomis book from the sticky. Practice form and fundamental shapes and learn draftsmanship skills before jumping into drawing figures and trying to understand how to represent anatomy. On the other hand, your linework is really smooth which is rare for a beginner. Better than mine in a lot of ways.

[Anonymous No.2074571]

>>2074568
To be fair, he did ask "how's this?"
Anon simply replied to him. No need for your "humble" criticism of criticism.

[Anonymous No.2074578]

>>2074571
By "how's this?" people in threads such as this one mean "what's wrong?". "Awful" is not an answer to the latter ("everything" is not an answer either).

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>>2074571
Good point. I'm just a big proponent of addressing as well as making general assessment.

And so as to make this post less worthless, I'm just gonna state to any newbie like myself that wants to improve their DRAWING skills -- ie. draftsmanship skills -- I recommend Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han. It is truly fixing all the holes I left wide open fundamentally speaking.

[Anonymous No.2074581]

>>2074578
Put your name back on, at least. It's too obvious.

That said, it's a perfectly acceptable answer. When there is nothing you can say is good what else are you supposed to do? Write a wall of text underlining every error he has made?
He should have read the sticky in the first place.

[Anonymous No.2074583]

>>2074581
>read the sticky

Now that's an acceptable answer. And this is pretty much what the trip replied.

And no, me and trip are 2 different persons.

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>>2074581
>>2074583
Is it really that hard to imagine someone else has a similar view? Especially considering I conceded to a degree the post right above yours. lol
People samefag a lot on this board I'm guessing?

[Anonymous No.2074591]

>>2074407
So /ic/ has literally nothing to say about my drawing of trees? Nothing to help me progress on this?

[Anonymous No.2074594]

>>2074563
But it will also impede your progress.

[Anonymous No.2074596]

>>2074561
well fuck you too

[Anonymous No.2074600]

>>2074560
You are not a special snowflake kid, there are a lot of people that started at your level or better. What you drew is pretty much as easy as it will get, even shading a cube or a sphere is harder.

[Anonymous No.2074610]

>>2074560
>I won't be humble
You should be. You don't have a better start at all. You need precisely the most basic stuff: Keys to Drawing.

[Anonymous No.2074620]

>>2074591
I dig the circle tree except the ground. Your other tree sucks, go find some nice tree or some reference and draw it. You're also trying to render but you seem to not understand very well how light works, so go learn that too.

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>>2074560
Ego + Beginner = never gonna get gud. Get off your pedestal and learn the fundamentals instead of complimenting yourself on your ability to put a wonky ass outline of a human being on paper. What you should be doing is studying ONLY that basic stuff you wanted to skip: The fundamental forms. Once you are fimilar the tools of a draftsman (line control, form, construction, perspective), then drawing the human shape is as simple as knowing what one looks like. And the drawing will look 3 dimensional because it's made up of 3d shapes and knowledge. Not a flat wireframe.

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>>2074550
thank you, I'm the horse fag and yes I traced two pictures and tried to make something decent looking. I was completely oblivious to composition until now. I have looked up a bit on it and I have started to see it. I started a new drawing and I'm also trying a lot harder in not rushing and make a mess with the ink.

It was my first attempt at a serious work. I did as I expected, like shit.

[Anonymous No.2074647]

>>2074621
Lol at that reflected light

[Anonymous No.2074659]

>>2074620
Thanks, man. I'll reference some more trees.

[Anonymous No.2074661]

I'm not the guy who was bragging earlier, but how does one get over being proud of himself without self deprecation? As much as I hate arrogant, condescending people who put others down, I don't want to feel proud of myself in the first place. I often feel very very bad when I was proud of myself for the wrong reasons, it often haunts me and makes me feel like a huge jackass. I just don't know how I can get over it without simply telling myself I suck.

[Anonymous No.2074663]

>>2074661
Just post here, /ic/ is awesome at reality check.

[foxdit No.2074669]

>>2074661
There's a balance. You should allow yourself to feel proud of the PROGRESS you see you've made, but not proud of YOURSELF in a general sense. One way to curb a growing ego is to watch good artists paint, or study their paintings. One way to get yourself out of a slump is to look at your earlier work and compare it to your new stuff.

[Anonymous No.2074680]

1/3

I can't believe how much dick I suck with a pencil. It's absolutely terrifying.
On the other hand, breaking my tablet's pen helped me get back to basics: pen and paper.

[Anonymous No.2074682]

>>2074680
2/3

I'm on week seven of Hampton, and I've really made some progress, but he doesn't really get into details past the torso. Everything after that is little and far apart in terms of usefulness. Not to mention I can't draw the arm without knowing the lower arm muscles as well, which he puts into week eight. So yeah, whatever the fuck.

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>>2074682
3/3

I guess I'll visit a real anatomy book as soon as I'm done with him. Now that I have a grasp on construction I can make my own muscle abstractions.

[Anonymous No.2074692]

>>2074621
>ego
>bragging
>on an anonymous board
>in a beginner's thread
>bragging

What got you triggered so much in my post? Thanks for the answer though -- will go practice basic stuff.

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>>2074692
Not triggered, just tough love anon. Art is muh passion and I'm a beginner too.

[Anonymous No.2074697]

>>2074457
bump

[Anonymous No.2074714]

>>2074457
>>2074697
do both but do it hundreds and thousands of times

[Anonymous No.2074734]

this loomis book is such a boring piece of fucking crap

[Anonymous No.2074739]

>>2074734
Yeah and by saying that we know you didn't read the sticky properly, so gtfo.

[Anonymous No.2074760]

>>2074739
>>2074739
shut the fuck up idiot. you should kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2074764]

>>2074760
Got triggered? Go watch sycra tutorials, maybe you can become the new bonesofruin

[Anonymous No.2074766]

>>2074760

[Anonymous No.2074774]

Does anyone knows how to make quick perspective grids with krita? There's a perspective grid tool but it's the shittiest tool ever.
Has this been fixed in the 2.9.2?

[Anonymous No.2074785]

>>2074774
The fix is not using Krita.
Download Carapace. It's a tool for perspective grids.

[Anonymous No.2074799]

I try to do at least forty 60-second gestures every day and I usually work on paper - this is my first time using a drawing tablet, but I tried to keep my workflow the same - avoid chicken scratching and try to capture the mass and the feel of the pose.
What bothers me is that I don't understand whether I'm doing it right - should I just keep going like that until I get better?
Or am I doing everything wrong and I should change my ways before it's too late?
I'm going through Loomis right now, if that's worth mentioning.

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[Anonymous No.2074826]

First try at ink and improvized dip pen (basically a nib planted in the wooden tip of a paint brush)
It's so hard to make smooth lines, I feel like a monkey trying to write a letter

[Anonymous No.2074866]

Before you learn how to draw do you need to practice basic shapes? It takes me 15-20 tries to draw a circle or line the way I want.

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>>2074866
Practicing shapes IS learning how to draw. Once you gain proficiency with the fundamental 3d forms you'll be able to construct anything out of them, from humans to tanks. Walk before you run.

[Anonymous No.2074904]

I get the idea I'm spending too much time sketching. fudging with things. just not getting the line out on the first try. At this rate it'll be days before I even think about rendering.

Is this normal?
Best way to progress out of this flavor of shitistry?

[Anonymous No.2074905]

>>2074904
forgot pic...

[Anonymous No.2074953]

NEW THREAD

>>2074951

>>2074951

>>2074951

[Anonymous No.2075036]

any advice