Jaime Jones "studies"

[Anonymous No.2068726]

Anyone have a collection or link to the images which show how Jaime appropriated old master colors and compositions in his own pieces?

I have a few but I'm wondering if there are more out there.

[Anonymous No.2068727]

2/7

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4/7

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5/7

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6/7

[Anonymous No.2068734]

7/7

That's all I have.

Also if anyone has strong examples of other artists doing this, sharing would be dope.

[Anonymous No.2068749]

>>2068734
this one is a bit of a stretch

[Anonymous No.2068750]

>>2068726
Heh, you're in luck since I'm the dude who made all these! I'll post up the others I have, including a few that I never posted publicly before.

[Anonymous No.2068751]

>>2068749
Nah, pretty legit. He changed a lot, but the lighting, ceiling, and back doorway are all borrowed. Honestly some of the others are more of a stretch.

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[Anonymous No.2068759]

>>2068757
Next few are a stretch, but the point of these is comparison...so even if he didn't use the images as ref/inspiration, then I enjoy the comparison of them.

[Anonymous No.2068760]

>>2068759
Showing how 15 seconds of manipulation on a photo can bring it closer to what he wants (in a similar vein as the rice paddy one and the Fuchs whale pic)

[Anonymous No.2068761]

>>2068760
Comp is the same, not sure if actually used as inspo though

[Anonymous No.2068762]

>>2068761
This one is plausible but again not certain

[Anonymous No.2068764]

>>2068762
Another possible one but quite a lot is changed if it is indeed one

[Anonymous No.2068765]

>>2068764
New one

[Anonymous No.2068767]

>>2068765
Last one, also new. So happy I found this, I KNEW he borrowed stuff from an old master painting, it just took me a while to stumble across the exact image :)

[Anonymous No.2068768]

>>2068767
Also gonna toss up his genuine studies for interest's sake since I'm sure other fanboys enjoy this stuff.

[Anonymous No.2068769]

>>2068768
Fucking captcha's are annoying with all those sign images

[Anonymous No.2068770]

i think I found my new favorite painter

[Anonymous No.2068773]

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[Anonymous No.2068775]

>>2068770
I literally talk in therapy about how unhealthy my obsession is with him...if you like his art then download my folder of his stuff: http://www.mediafire.com/download/a7yq765puz572l6/Jaime_Updated.zip

I spent quite a while tracking down some pretty obscure images for that :)

[Anonymous No.2068776]

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[Anonymous No.2068778]

>>2068776
Jaime recommends studying Bougueraeu for subtleties, whether or not you actually like his art

[Anonymous No.2068779]

>>2068778
Also recommends studying in limited time (1 or 2 hours) and just sections of paitnings rather than the whole thing to be more efficient.

[Anonymous No.2068780]

>>2068779
This is a crop from an Alma-Tadema

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[Anonymous No.2068786]

>>2068784
Last one I have. There are some other ones that I know are studies but haven't bothered tracking down the exact image he is studuying from...for example he has a couple realyl early studies from stillframes from old Western movies, but I don't feel like finding them and taking a freezeframe on the moment jsut for hte comparison.

[Anonymous No.2068812]

>>2068786

Holly sheeit thanks man! Just what I was looking for

[Anonymous No.2068817]

I never want to become a professional artist because then an endless horde of faggots with zero talent will cherry pick my work and tear me down. Some of these are massive stretches.

[Anonymous No.2068823]

>>2068817
>faggots with zero talent
Assumptions

>cherry pick my work and tear me down
You're missing the point of these images. They are not to tear him down. They are simply interesting to look at, and actually educational because we can see exactly what things he decided to change and what to borrow. I think some of these show a very sophisticated way of handling reference. Sure some of them are a bit "shady" in that they are pretty direct swipes, but many painters have done this for centuries, and just presenting the image doesn't really give any judgement on the morality of it. I also find these images show that Jaime is human, he is a prodigious talent nonetheless, but these images are mostly from the ages 19 to 23 or so, and show him before he had a full mastery of composition and such, so needed to borrow from other images. You'll notice the new stuff he puts out doesn't have any obvious borrowing like these.

>Some of these are massive stretches
Some are yeah. And some aren't. Keep in mind it's hard to tell on the stretches since Jaime is very well versed in old masters so undoubtedly is familiar with the images being compared. He also is very skilled so is able to hide things well or to just use images as jumping boards and then go off and do his own thing. Regardless of whether he used all of these images as reference or not, I think the comparison between things is interesting.

[Anonymous No.2068830]

>>2068823
>You're missing the point of these images. They are not to tear him down.

>thread called Jaime Jones "studies" and says he appropriated from old masters

[Anonymous No.2068831]

Not Jaime, but i got this.

[Anonymous No.2068832]

>>2068823

Sorry, I'm drunk.

Given the nature of /ic, it's hard to tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.2068835]

>>2068830
Well I made the images but I didn't start this thread. I'm assuming the quotation marks are because they are not studies in the regular use of the word, but rather they tend to borrow some components to a greater or lesser degree and then he changes and adds quite a lot.

And he DID appropriate some things from old masters. It's obvious when you look at these images. I don't think this is a bad thing, though some people obviously will feel that way. But I dunno, I mean, you can find examples of Frazetta doing the exact same thing, stealing from Pyle in a few images and from other masters in other images. And Frazetta even went as far as saying he never used any references! But we don't care really, cause Frazetta was a boss and force of nature. If you think I am using this to try to tear down Jaime then you are mistaken considering he is one of my biggest inspirations and heroes of all time, and I have admired his work for a number of years now.

[Anonymous No.2068836]

>>2068823

Putting anything in quotations tends to make you sound like a smarmy asshole and the word appropriated is almost never used in a positive context.

[Anonymous No.2068841]

Why are you forcing the stretch ones? kind of goofy. The ones where he's paying homage are pretty obvious.

At a certain point it's just good image making. It's not like you're unraveling some huge secret, we ALL should be studying the masters not studying Jamie.

[Anonymous No.2068842]

>>2068831
Yeah, there are other artists that have done similar things. The only other one I bothered making was this one for this cool Chinese Mullins wannabe (who is actually super skilled).

>>2068836
Eh, there are two anons contributing as I already mentioned. There is the guy who started the thread, and there is me, who made all the images. The other anon was the one putting things in quotations and using that phrasing. That being said, I think you are assuming things from that. Written word is hard to tell intention and often semantics of things become muddled. In any case, just enjoy the art dude :) Be happy you live in a world with Jaime and Mullins.

[Anonymous No.2068843]

>>2068835

I feel you dude, but you have to think about the nature of /ic when you post this stuff.

[Anonymous No.2068851]

>>2068831
>>2068842
Oh yeah, forgot I had this one too. I didn't make this one though, just found it on /ic/ once. It's Ruanjia. Anyhoo, I'm off to sleep, night guys!

[Anonymous No.2068866]

OP here, imo what Jaime does is just the process of art and creative culture. Also watch the documentary everything is a remix, it has a focus on cinema but it's relevant to all aspects of creating, whether painting, music, or whatever.

Personally I think when you see these comparisons, though some are a stretch, you see into Jaime's tastes and sense; what colors or compositions he finds specifically attractive.

>>2068835

Do you have any of the Frazzeta/Pyle comparisons?

I've seen examples of Frazetta's references and its obvious he's a filthy liar, but yeah I love him anyway.

[Anonymous No.2068870]

>>2068866

Yeah, for future reference you should use different language though, because the OP reads like most of the hate bandwagon threads we see here.

[Anonymous No.2068874]

>>2068870
I agree, I was prepared to get defensive myself. I agree though, totally valid thing to do in art, lots of artists do it, great learning tool especially

[Anonymous No.2068932]

>>2068866
>I've seen examples of Frazetta's references and its obvious he's a filthy liar
IIRC at some point he even said that he used himself and his wife as references. At another point he claimed to not use references, but I'm still unclear over the exact semantics.

A lot of his work didn't use references and the quality is practically indistinguishable from his paintings that have used references. In that sense it's possible that he meant he doesn't need to rely on references. It's also possible that he intentionally lied in order to build up his name and reputation.

If anybody happens to have exact sources on the matter I'd love to hear it. I think where he mentioned using himself and his wife as a reference existed in a book, or possibly a transcript from an interview. I feel like I've seen a scan of the relevant page in the past, likely on CA.

[Anonymous No.2068936]

>>2068932
There was a video where someone talked about him.

“Well, when Jeff did work for Warren, I wasn’t there [working for Warren] yet. I was, uhm, working in advertising promotion and, for another publisher, a magazine publisher in the city [New York]. Uhm, I think during this time Jeff may have discovered using reference? And it made a huge difference in his work. I remember at one point he, he, it suddenly occurred to him… okay, all right,
>back in the olden days there was a story that Frank Frazetta said that he never used reference and anybody who used reference was cheating.
So a generation of young artists grew up thinking using reference is bad and cheating and this is, I don’t know,
>I don’t know why Frank did that because I know he used reference, I know he did.
[Laughter.] Uhm, anyway, so I guess at one point Jeff just cracked and started using reference and his work got, it took a huge leap forward, so I do remember that, and I believe that was, maybe some of that might have been during the Warren period. Uhm, he just did a few things for Warren. He didn’t do that much.”

— Louise Simonson, Better Things Panel, San Diego Comic Con 2011

[Anonymous No.2068939]

>>2068866
Op wording was actually very neutral, I think shit posting about famous artists is just so rampant here that it was reflexive to assume this was another one of those threads.

[Anonymous No.2068942]

too much crutch reliance.

[Anonymous No.2068975]

There's actually many many more of these Jaime Jones borrowing examples in pieces that aren't studies. But I'm not sharing them, they are my little secret stash of inspiration.

[Anonymous No.2068989]

>tracing
>overpaint
Shit artist.
Worse than Kr0n

[Anonymous No.2069006]

>>2068942
Those are some of his earlier images. This is how he learnt, this is how he got to become one of the best digital artists in the world. This is how he internalized the color palettes and value structures masterpainters use. Meanwhile you will forever be shit because you desperately try to stick to some fictional code of honor that /ic/ brainwashed you to believe in.

[Anonymous No.2069049]

Can someone please tell me how to pronouce "Jaime"
is it like -
Jaymee
or
Jaym

[Anonymous No.2069051]

So does anyone here have a list or something of old masters whos paintings were used in pics above? I recognize some of them but cutting out every single one and pasting into google search is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.2069052]

oooo advertising pretending to be fans, very nice work!!

[Anonymous No.2069117]

>>2068866
>>2068932
Regarding the Frazetta stuff, these two pages show the examples I am aware of, though I am sure there are more out there that have been found and more still that have not been found. It's a bit hard to google for though since most searches bring up results of other people ripping off or swiping or borrowing or whatever you call it FROM Frazetta rather than being him doing the swipe.
http://raggedclaws.com/2009/11/20/connections-pyle-wyeth-frazetta/

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.ca/2012/05/missing-lecomte.html

>>2068975
Well the ones named Comparison(number) are not really studies. The ones named Studies(number) are. Not sure what you are referring to though. The cryptic way you speak and the lack of willingness to share sounds like you are making it up :)

>>2068989
Bait too obvious

>>2069049
Jaymee

>>2069051
Ask me which ones you want to know and I'll list it out.

>>2069052
What? Jaime is arguably the best digital painter in the world and probably the most famous/influential one (Mullins used to be, but has fallen a bit out of fashion in the last few years unfortunately). Anyways, no way he would visit here or need to pretend to be fans to promote himself. Even if he did that, why would he post these images?

[Anonymous No.2069126]

>>2069117
wipe that jaime semen off your mouth before posting.

[Anonymous No.2069149]

>>2068767
dat steal

[Anonymous No.2069163]

>>2069149
plagiarism and tribute are different things

[Anonymous No.2069164]

>>2069126
don't worry, i swallow :^)

[Anonymous No.2069166]

he also has a great tasste in women too

[Anonymous No.2069180]

>>2069117
>Ask me which ones you want to know and I'll list it out.

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>>2068727

and the one in OP.

[Anonymous No.2069189]

>>2069166
Kek ure shitting me thats his grill. I guess one could forgive her looks if she is some amazing artist and Jaime wants his offspring to be engineered killer mix of western creativity with asian dilligence, but still why not find a good looking woman for that.

[Anonymous No.2069190]

>>2069166
>12yr old vietnamese girls

[Anonymous No.2069191]

>>2069052
Are you mentally challenged? What's there to be advertized? Are there any triple A video game developers or hollywood studios executives browsing /ic/ that have somehow never heard of Jaime Jones?

Because Jaime doesn't sell anything that would need advertizing. He doesn't sell prints, he doesn't do commissions, he has barely any online presence, not even a tumblr or facebook. Use your fucking brain next time you post.

[Anonymous No.2069194]

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[Anonymous No.2069196]

why is ic so easy to troll? Just chill the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.2069208]

>>2069196
The OP was pretty good bait to be honest. He sneaked in that ambiguous "studies" and the word "appropriated" knowing full well that it would cause rabid hate here due to its use by SJWs. However, since what he said was technically correct, he just feigned ignorance and kept the bait going. Seriously I don't think I've seen bait this subtle in quite a while. I'm impressed.

[Anonymous No.2069215]

>>2069196
This board is full of genuine retards, I have long stopped giving anyone the benefit of a doubt. If you act like a retard, chances are very high that you are in fact a retard. Going "I-I was just pretending, guys!" after people destroy you doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.2069216]

>>2068851
amano jia

[Anonymous No.2069373]

Sergey Coleslaw.

[Anonymous No.2069405]

>>2069373
> Coleslaw
what kind of bastardization of his last name is this?

[Anonymous No.2069407]

>>2069180
Okay here ya go!

>>2068764
Anders Zorn

>>2068762
Anthony Van Dyck

>>2068750
John Singer Sargent

>>2068751
John Atkinson Grimshaw

>>2068732
JW Waterhouse

>>2068734
Sargent again

>>2068727
Akseli Gallen-Kallela

>>2068726
Adolf Von Meckel

[Anonymous No.2069410]

>>2069373
what the actual fuck

so, just because satoshi kon drew people on boats above a fish doesn´t mean Sergey took that idea from him

welcome to the fucking world of art, where you recreate reality
I can´t tell you have never been to the sea

next time you will say that because someone painted a cloud white, that just can´t be because it just can´t be

I´ll bite your bait, but don´t you even dare step dear sergey sempai because we all know you just envy him
and yes you made me mad

[Anonymous No.2069418]

Since someone else posted Peleng, I'll toss up one where it's the ref photo he said he used for hte piece.

>>2069190
They're highschool sweethearts who later married. They're like 17 in that pic.

>>2069216
Interesting...I am hesitant to say that he looked at those for certain because you can only have so many ways of painting people on horses. That being said, I know Ruanjia is a big Amano fan, so it is quite possible, though I suspect it is more just Ruanjia's style and stuff has absorbed some stylistic things from Amano. The first one especially has some similarities like the arm with the sword and stuff.

>>2069373
Hm, dunno if this one is legit either. I always assumed Peleng used some aerial photograph as inspiration, I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of boats from above that are much closer to the painting than that drawing you put there.

>>2069405
It's a pretty funny way of changing it. Better than Appleflinger imo.

[Anonymous No.2069423]

>>2069418

Peleng could be a serial rapist for all I care he makes stuff that's nice to look at

[Anonymous No.2069426]

>>2069410
My parents have a similar motif that they bought from a semi-famous local painter.
It's the same perspective as the jap drawing, but with a guy reaching into the water, trying to grab a mermaid who's swimming under the boat. Think it was painted in the 70s.

So yes, it's idiotic to think that this motif is stolen from that picture, especially given how common it is.

[Anonymous No.2069455]

Too many people are thinking OP is attacking artists, rather than admiring them and looking at art they used/may have used as an example. Stop thinking in terms of "jaded /ic/ jackass". Thank you to all who posted and continue to, this is amazing.

[Anonymous No.2069518]

>>2068775
Thanks a lot!

[Anonymous No.2069531]

>>2068775

I can see why you would need therapy lol.

[Anonymous No.2070157]

>>2069006
That's exactly what I was thinking. This is it, this is the big secret to getting gud. I'm so excited now, I'm gonna do this over the next couple years and can't wait to see the results. I've been planning on doing this with a huge folder of cool photos I found, do you think it will still be effective? I'm still gonna do master painting, but that's so far into the future.

[Anonymous No.2070161]

>>2070157
>this is the big secret to getting gud

No such thing.

[Anonymous No.2070163]

>>2069216
Is that D vampire hunter?
Fuckin a this whole thread is based

[Anonymous No.2070173]

>>2070161
That's what I'm saying, its hard fucking work, but this is super focused,intentional and efficient hard fucking work. Its a big secret because no one wants to do it and they move on to the next gimmick. Basically, perfect practice makes perfect, and this specific method of studying/internalizing from those who are better than you is super effective, just hard.

[Anonymous No.2070180]

I think this one follows the theme of this thread.

[Anonymous No.2070270]

>>2069216
Hue hue retard

[Anonymous No.2070273]

>>2070270
That looks different from the painting I saw in highschool.

[Anonymous No.2070287]

>>2069407
Thanks anon, may you have many children

[Anonymous No.2070293]

>>2070273

Probably the values, pictures aren't always true.

>>2070157

You can study photographs, but its not the same as studying master painting, and even photos of master paintings lie too. Master studies are great to learn values, color and composition, but you also need a mix of life painting.

[Anonymous No.2070930]

>>2070270
get rekt faggot

[Anonymous No.2070950]

>>2070930

>Not giving credit to ooga boogaboo, the homo erectus tribesman who drew this shit first

Enjoy your lawsuit.

[Anonymous No.2071002]

>>2070950
ebat, kakoi zhe ty tupoi! sooka

[Anonymous No.2071479]

Albert Hanson
Mermaids, 1896

[Anonymous No.2071486]

>>2071479

Man you can tell Mullins is kind of bored of digital art. He is barely even trying anymore.

[Anonymous No.2071510]

>>2071486
well he did bash digital art in that schoolism video.

[Anonymous No.2071692]

Not sure if this one is for sure, but there are a lot of similarities so it's interesting, plus Bama was working in the generation that Mullins would have been very familiar with.

>>2071479
Nice find. I'll post up some Mullins ones. I don't have many for him cause his body of work is so large and whenever I open his folder I get lost in his art and distracted :P

>>2071486
He's mentioned before and at the Schoolism event that he is shifting towards traditional art more as he gets older. It's not really a surprise.

>>2071510
He's bashed his own art for years. He Gnomon masterclass vid from years ago he painted over a watercolour of his as a base for colour/texture. He's done the same with a lot of his oil plein air stuff.

[Anonymous No.2071693]

>>2071692
This one's sorta a half study like some of the Jaime ones.

[Anonymous No.2071694]

>>2071693
Last one.

[Anonymous No.2071697]

>>2071692
Actually I just want to correct my phrasing. He hasn't really "paintbashed" his own work so much as he uses images as bases. Usually he clone stamps out the hi contrast areas or places with identifiable elements. Then he uses it as a texture base or for the built in colour gradations. It's not a new way of working at all, he and others have done the same for years.

Also for ACTUAL paintbashing, Sparth has a page where he shows himself using it in his new Structura 3 book. He chopped up pieces of his own spaceships and stuff from his old paintings so he had fully painted pieces of various mechanical things with his shape language already built in, then he could past them together in new ways to get quick images with new compositions and proportions and whatnot. Tom Scholes has taken this further and developed specific modular pieces that he paints to bash together for new designs and images.

[Anonymous No.2072883]

Any more Mullins ones?

[Anonymous No.2072890]

>>2072883
Heh. He looks like he's doing an animu wink in the bottom picture.

[Anonymous No.2073088]

>>2068732

name of the original painting????

[Anonymous No.2073459]

jesus fuck you guys are obsesses

[Anonymous No.2073637]

>>2073088
Mariamne, by JW Waterhouse, done in 1887.

[Anonymous No.2073663]

>>2073459

Won't make it if you aren't. And professional art is not very rewarding if you aren't in the top 10%.

[Anonymous No.2073742]

>>2072890

[Anonymous No.2074199]

>Gossip threads about artists is the key to success instead of shutting the fuck up and painting.

[Anonymous No.2074236]

>>2073459
we are legion anon.

[Anonymous No.2074237]

>>2068726
this only makes me respect him more op.

[Anonymous No.2074277]

>>2072883
Klimt

[Anonymous No.2074295]

>>2074199
the fuck did you just say you little bitch

[Anonymous No.2074783]

>>2074277
Neat

[Anonymous No.2077958]

Bump

[Anonymous No.2078022]

>>2074199

These threads are created in hopes to get on the groundfloor of another shitstorm that brings down a famous artist, get with the fucking program boss.