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Beginner Thread #39457 None !NANNANNANA Sat Mar 21 21:14:33 2015 No.2027158 [Reply] [Original]

NEEDS MORE CHROMA SHIFT EDITION

As usual:
>Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

(dont forget to resize+jpg before posting 4mb pngs)

OLD THREAD: >>2023763

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:17:35 2015 No.2027165 File: 194 KB, 1296x1257, lion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So since I can't have a hand right i thought >>hey how about a fucking lion? here we are. How do I fur?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:17:37 2015 No.2027166 Chromatic aberration is dumb as fuck, go home Spielberg.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:22:27 2015 No.2027176 File: 462 KB, 1296x1257, fxs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2027165 here, fixed it for ya

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:27:36 2015 No.2027184 >>2027176 Well the black is darker... but wtf is that blue and red? Is that a ref to the OP pic's?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:32:12 2015 No.2027188 Why don't we like Krita again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:34:46 2015 No.2027192 >>2027188 wrong thread m8

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:37:49 2015 No.2027193 >>2027158 I know the ideal woman is 8 heads, but what do I do if the woman isn't 8 heads tall? Do I gotta start pulling out the math charts if the model I'm studying is less than 8 heads?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:46:21 2015 No.2027202 >>2027188 because its open source

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:49:27 2015 No.2027209 >>2027192 What thread should I ask in? >>2027193 Approximate it. It doesn't have to be perfect.

>>	Moth Prince Sat Mar 21 21:51:51 2015 No.2027211 >>2027176 That's missing a leg.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:55:22 2015 No.2027220 >>2027209 Yea, but my figures always come out looking very short or certain aspects always look completely off. I don't know how to fix this if they are not exactly 8 heads tall.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:58:14 2015 No.2027224 >>2027220 The hips are halfway from the head to the feet, the knees are halfway from the hips to the feet, the elbows are just a bit over halfway from the head to the hips, and the hands fall on the thighs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:03:39 2015 No.2027232 >>2027224 Alright, thanks for the info. I'll look at it like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:14:02 2015 No.2027252 >>2027224 Actually, how would you measure shoulder width if the model isn't 8 heads tall? My main issue right now is getting the shoulders correct as they always seem to come off as too wide. But I'm not sure how to measure it properly.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:14:05 2015 No.2027254

Where do I start with drawing the body?

>Go read Loomis
Yeah I know about that but the thing is it introduces the concept but it doesn't tell you why you're doing what you're doing or some tips for what to look for. He just gives you a body structure and says "have fun".

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:16:12 2015 No.2027259 >>2027254 I don't know about you guys, but this guys videos helped me out a lot on getting started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nTEgET9DA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKcI49l5uc

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:16:30 2015 No.2027260

>>2027254
Which Loomis book are you looking at? Perhaps it would help to read through the whole thing first, then go through it again doing the exercises listed and inventing your own. Might help give you an idea of the big picture.

>Where do I start with drawing the body?
Loomis doesn't quite cover this, but many will say: Gesture>Major forms>Anatomically corrected minor forms

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:18:24 2015 No.2027265 >>2027259 i'll take a look, thanks >>2027260 the fun with pencil one. I know nothing and i felt like i needed to move on a bit from drawing heads all day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:20:27 2015 No.2027270 >>2027252 female shoulders are like 2 to 2 and a half head-widths.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:25:17 2015 No.2027283 >>2027270 Even if they are Not 8 heads tall? does that take into factor?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:28:34 2015 No.2027288 >>2027283 I don't know, try it and see if it looks right.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:37:12 2015 No.2027301
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did as suggested. made my realize how hard it is to keep the character look consistent.
also turns out i have no idea how the profile should look like. (and yes, i didnt change the reflections in the eyes to the light source, it just looked weird for some reason)

btw ignore the colors, i just used what i had selected and went with it

how i did? any feedback is welcome!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:40:52 2015 No.2027305 >>2027301 ment to link to >>2024719

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:44:12 2015 No.2027310
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Just starting out, heres my boy Augustus. Beginner tips for pencil? I just want to get better at drawing people but it's hard to even notice progress. I've been drawing for a couple week and usually several hours a day.

How long does it take to git gud

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:03:53 2015 No.2027331 File: 331 KB, 2797x4027, Obsid0001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need help with digital painting this is the best I can do can someone point me in a direction?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:17:55 2015 No.2027339

>>2027331
direction = sampling the shit to blend things together

either use brush thats not completely hard so youll get the mixing going on edges, or use hard brush with pen pressure set to opacity control.
you pretty much paint with one hand on tablet and the other on ALT to bring up the eyedropper to pick up your intermediete tones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:29:08 2015 No.2027353 Can I just skip drawing with the right side of my brain? These exercises are a pain in the ass and that pseudoscience I have to read through to find the exercises is making my ass bleed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:36:48 2015 No.2027365 It literally takes a week to master the simple and effective techniques in Loomis' Fun with Pencils, so why do I see people who are still shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:20:17 2015 No.2027408 >>2027365 because of niggers like this: >>2027353

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:26:47 2015 No.2027422

So today I was messing around with a laser pointer and I was trying to keep it steady on one fixed point, but it was jumping around all over the place, but when I gave it to my uncle he was able to keep it still at one position for a pretty long time. I've always felt my hands were pretty shaky while drawing and my dad has shaky hands... How much will this fuck me up if I want to get really good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:29:24 2015 No.2027424 >>2027422 don't see how this has to do with much unless you're trying to trace or something have you even started drawing

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:29:41 2015 No.2027425 >>2027422 draw bigger and that will help

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:38:05 2015 No.2027438 >>2027424 You don't see how having a shaky hand might make drawing precise lines more difficult? Odd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:39:27 2015 No.2027440 >>2027438 well i personally think i have a shaky hand and if i try to draw with a mouse it can get fucked up if i try to get lines super accurate but i find with a pencil i don't really have many if any problems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:40:20 2015 No.2027443 >>2027438 Draw in quick strokes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:43:00 2015 No.2027445 >>2027443 Ya? I'm not good enough yet to do really quick strokes, accurately, using an overhand grip, but I've been doing lots of line drills so maybe it will be fine.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:44:38 2015 No.2027447

>>2027445
>I'm not good enough yet to do really quick strokes, accurately, using an overhand grip
Why do you want to use an overhand grip? It's not for everyone, I don't recommend using it unless you have a good reason. I only use it for charcoal so that I don't rest my palm on the bristol and smudge it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:46:51 2015 No.2027448 >>2027447 Every good artist I've seen do a demo uses it, and it makes logical sense. I'm not too concerned that I find it awkward right now, I just started.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:51:02 2015 No.2027452 >>2027408 It's an honest question, it doesn't seem to have taught me anything useful and I'm eager to get into loomis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:52:38 2015 No.2027454 >>2027452 show us your work then draw a head in different angles with basic facial features if you can't even do that then do the work

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:01:43 2015 No.2027471 >>2027448 overhand grip is more of a fine artist thing. you dont see any comic artist drawing that way, because only faggots do it. ill give vilpuu a get out of jail free card but anyone else who draws with an overhand grip is a stupid faggot imo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:07:46 2015 No.2027480 >>2027471 What if I want to do fine arts? :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:15:53 2015 No.2027493 >>2027480 overhand grip works best with drawing big and using your elbow/shoulder, index/thumb grip is for using your wrist you are supposed to do both ways depending on the effect you are trying to achieve and the situation

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:23:58 2015 No.2027504 >>2027493 I know. I practice overhand because I'm bad at it. I mostly use tripod for all of my drawing, but i'm trying to change that. Also I do see plenty of artists (villpu) use overhand exclusively.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:33:06 2015 No.2027516

I think I'm stupid. No matter how hard I try, I can't get down drawing the fucking head. Is there some kind of guide that spells out EVERY step for autistic retards?

>inb4 loomis
maybe it's just me, but I feel like his instructions are really vague and lacking at times.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:50:41 2015 No.2027534 File: 889 KB, 1564x1000, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I seem to be UNABLE to draw standing figures. I need a good tutorial on that cause vilppu isn't working for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:52:16 2015 No.2027536 >>2027534 Your drawing is really good but those poses have a nigga laughin'. I have exactly the same problem so I'll be lurking I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:52:56 2015 No.2027537 >>2027516 thats because you need to be able to sketch basic forms ACCURATELY like cubes and spheres in order to get the most out of loomis

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:54:52 2015 No.2027538 File: 177 KB, 667x1000, 004-9-.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2027534 It's all in the weight distribution, balance, and how the feet are planted. try reference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:59:20 2015 No.2027542 >>2027454 Fuck, is the key to drawing a viable alternative atleast? This bitch has literally filled up 3/4 of the book with "if you focus you can draw better".

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:01:23 2015 No.2027545

>>2027537
I'm not sure what you mean. I can do cubes (although I have trouble with spheres) decently, and I'm not drawing from imagination if that's what you're thinking. I'm TRYING to apply the rules of construction, but for whatever reason it's never coming out right

foxdit Sun Mar 22 02:04:03 2015 No.2027547
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Why does my camera make this look so much worse? I mean I get that it's not very good anyway, but the second I take a picture of any of my artwork it all looks so much worse...

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:05:33 2015 No.2027551

>>2027545
thats because to draw a sphere you need to be able to draw curved lines, this comes with practice, you should just spend several hours everyday drawing things with curves including ellipses and they will get better. because to wrap lines around the sphere you essentially need to be able to draw an ellipse. its not easy to do, experiment with different hand grips to see which ones allows you to make the best curves, and draw with your arm not your wrist. you SHOULD be practicing these constructions from imagination, copy the ones in the books and then do them on your own, i actually have an easier time when i do them from imagination because my eyes are on my paper the whole time as opposed to copying where i have to look at what im drawing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:13:47 2015 No.2027558 >>2027516 loomis was vague for me too, i used this video to figure out how to draw the head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkPNdEVQG8

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:23:17 2015 No.2027564 >>2027547 Scan it and see if you still hate it. If you do, it's the art, not the camera.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 03:00:40 2015 No.2027592 >>2027547 i was once told that the camera captures more of the light reflected off the graphite. maybe thats why

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 03:01:58 2015 No.2027597
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Which one better shows a defeated, downtrodden look? Both sketches are really rough and have a lot of issues but I would like help in deciding which pose is better before working on it more.

I'm also open to any other suggestions. I'm planning on having this picture have the main person slumped in a chair/at a desk with a woman behind him supporting him with a gesture like having her hands on his shoulders.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 03:03:22 2015 No.2027598 >>2027597 The first one. The second one looks like while he may be someone who is usually troubled, atm he's interested in a crossword puzzle.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 03:04:36 2015 No.2027599

>>2027598
Damn that was fast. Thanks.

Do you have any suggestions? I'm shying away from the first one because the side view feels sort of like a cop-out, it isn't very interesting to me. I definitely understand now how the second one looks way too relaxed.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 03:36:22 2015 No.2027619

The other day, I talked to a man who was 73 years old and started drawing for the first time 6 months ago. In those 6 months, he learned about drawing from reference and using horizontal/vertical lines for measuring angles and all that other good stuff. He had a sketchbook full of animals referenced from magazines laying around. I thought this was worth sharing with you guys because it's a great reminder that you're never too old to start drawing. I know I'm not the only one who has felt like that from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 03:46:31 2015 No.2027626 File: 1.85 MB, 2000x1125, marchfacessmall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm going to try to make it a goal to fill a page each day. I should probably do more planes of the face studies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 04:33:00 2015 No.2027647 File: 569 KB, 490x654, pencils.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] any recommendations for an ok brand of colored pencils? sorry for terrible photo, first thing I have drawn in a month : /

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 04:53:06 2015 No.2027653 >>2027647 draw guide lines next time, it's clear you just drew it 100% freehand

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 04:57:01 2015 No.2027654 File: 32 KB, 443x572, dws.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pls help with anatomy

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 05:05:15 2015 No.2027660 >>2027653 yah i know it's eyes are everywhere but tell me about pencils bruh

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 05:46:10 2015 No.2027677 is the 10 per month for Photoshop CC an actual full, up to date version of photoshop or is it a limited version?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 06:00:59 2015 No.2027688 File: 56 KB, 389x816, 1427017606369.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] redline this please

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 06:14:25 2015 No.2027697 File: 33 KB, 425x586, dws.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 06:31:51 2015 No.2027705 >>2027677 the Photoshop + Lightroom bundle one? it's the real deal

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 06:34:37 2015 No.2027706 >>2027705 yeah. nice thanks. gonna get that right now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 06:56:28 2015 No.2027716 >>2027697 try that pose in real life

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 07:38:59 2015 No.2027739 >>2027599 To be honest I think you're going to have trouble achieving that look with someone sitting in a chair.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 07:39:50 2015 No.2027740 >>2027739 Oh? The whole depressed, arms on table thing not working? Any suggestions?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 07:49:04 2015 No.2027746

>>2027740
Well you could have his face lowered with head in hands using the pose in the second image but it's hard to look downtrodden in comfort.
Damaged from war yes, downtrodden no.

Does he need to be in a chair?
Could he be sitting on the end of a bed or standing with two fists pressed against the table?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 07:50:50 2015 No.2027747 >>2027746 OOoohh yes I like those ideas, I will try them. Thank you! Any suggestions as to perspective? Like face forward, 3/4ths view, etc?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:02:46 2015 No.2027755 >>2027542 Here, switching books, "do this" is so much easier to work with than 10 pages of ramblings with an exercise buried amongst them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:33:06 2015 No.2027785 >>2027626 If the thing on the right is meant to depict the angles of the head, you missed the temple.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:42:40 2015 No.2027793 Are youtube tutorials or video tutorials in general a bad thing? I feel like I get more out of those than I do reading, as I see them drawing while explaining.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:45:35 2015 No.2027796 >>2027793 >Are youtube tutorials or video tutorials in general a bad thing? no, as long as they teach things the correct way say you're watching a video on arms - that video should teach you how to draw arms, not how to draw that arm in that style.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:47:10 2015 No.2027797 >>2027796 Alright thanks, it seems fine then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:54:54 2015 No.2027803 I am having no fun with a pencil at all. How the fuck does one draw the sphere correctly as a beginner? How can one determine how the lines on it should go?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 08:59:18 2015 No.2027811

>>2027803
git gud

i've drawn over a hundred spheres and i still need work and i just started drawing a week ago

>>2027793
from my experience, avoid the ones that just tell you like "how to draw an anime girl" or "how to draw sexy blonde woman" and shit like that.

IMO Reiq did a good head drawing tutorial and art of wei is decent but avoid the "how to draw x" ones and focus on his actual tutorials.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:00:54 2015 No.2027812

>>2027803
draw a circle

pick an angle

are you looking down on the sphere? the horizontal line bends downward, opposite if you're looking at it from below

same for left/right

the angles get close to the edge depending on the severity of the angle

you have a sphere

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:01:05 2015 No.2027813 >>2027803 >How can one determine how the lines on it should go? learn how to draw ellipses

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:02:05 2015 No.2027814 >>2027811 I've mostly been looking at Reiq, Proko and Jazza. I'm not so keen on Jazza because his stuff seems really stylized from time to time, but he doesn't seem bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:04:44 2015 No.2027816 >>2027814 Sycra has good stuff too. He's probably my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:08:52 2015 No.2027819 >>2027813 explain.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:09:21 2015 No.2027821 >>2027816 I hadn't even found that guy, thanks man. He seems solid.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:48:07 2015 No.2027875
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>>2027819

Well I don't know if I'm able to explain it, but I'll try.

A sphere is composed by many many circles. Try to think a circle that rotates on its axis until it creates a sphere.

Now when you see a circle frontally it looks like a...circle lol. But if the circle will rotate on its axis it will look an ellipse. That is why you see ellipses measures in degrees, the degrees show how much tilted is that circle.

See the picture. On the left you have a globe and the middle line shows the equator. Since the globe is straight in front of you the equator will look like a line. But if you look that globe from another point of view the equator will become an ellipse.

So when you'll place lines on a sphere they must follow the path of an ellipse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 11:27:19 2015 No.2027952 File: 434 KB, 800x1067, 1384995721373.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone got a small guide on drawing different types of hair drills/loops, i can't remember how it folds and loops around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 11:35:33 2015 No.2027957 >>2027875 Breh, thanks. This literally fixed everything in my life. I am now objectively a better person for it. But on another note, am I the only one who finds Loomis inaccessible?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 11:36:15 2015 No.2027959 >>2027957 Nah, plenty of people have difficulty with Loomis and/or outright hate his books.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 11:37:18 2015 No.2027961 >>2027959 Thank God. I thought I was an absolute idiot. Any good alternatives out there?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 11:39:09 2015 No.2027963 >>2027961 Drawing for Dummies

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 11:41:32 2015 No.2027967 >>2027961 Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner, maybe? I'm not so sure, I can't deal with books at the moment so I haven't read too many. And for some reason I can't remember a lot of them.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 12:47:40 2015 No.2028013

>>2027961
for killing symbol drawing and learning to draw what you see, try Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner like >>2027967 suggested. You only really need to do the first couple of chapters until it "clicks".

for learning to draw volumes and constructing objects using those, check http://drawabox.com/lesson/1 (warning: reddit) and click through the lessons. do them in order and don't skip ahead to the more fun ones because it will come back and bite you later on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 12:53:23 2015 No.2028021 >>2027967 Just watched a video by Proko. It's clear now. Hail proko.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 12:56:20 2015 No.2028023 Symbol drawing is a bullshit term. Anyone who claims it as a problem is dumber than a sandwich.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 13:26:41 2015 No.2028030 >>2028023 i feel like mastering symbol drawing is the one and only goal whn it comes to drawing characters.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 13:31:22 2015 No.2028032
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I'm going through Erik Olson's perspective series and I just converted to using Photoshop instead of traditional. So my question is how exactly do you do this sort of stuff on the PC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 13:36:58 2015 No.2028037 >>2027647 prismacolor

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 13:39:16 2015 No.2028039 >>2028032 straight line tool perhaps? i use clip paint and it has a perspective ruler which helps speed up the process (specially since you can snap to perspective grid).

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:02:46 2015 No.2028062 File: 747 KB, 1120x1520, BA0m5cd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2027952

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:15:14 2015 No.2028071 >>2028062 what happens step 4 and the final? i never understood how to get from vilppu tier feel lines to something more defined

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:28:37 2015 No.2028082 >>2028032 I use sketchbook pro to set up perspective and sketch/plan it out. Photoshop for refining and dropping in values. Though you could use the pen tool in PS for straight lines, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:29:55 2015 No.2028088 File: 175 KB, 450x438, 1391237011416.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028062 I get a lesson in gesture and perspective also! that's more then what i asked for, Thanks for the help.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:33:05 2015 No.2028091 File: 35 KB, 827x550, dawg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I feel like I'm shit for a beginner, but people keep telling me I do okay. I don't feel like I'm progressing but people say it's noticeable that I am. How do I deal with this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:39:36 2015 No.2028098 >>2028091 by posting your stuff on /ic/. we will find something to shit on even if loomis himself posted here. you get stigmatized just by posting your stuff here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:42:54 2015 No.2028101 File: 106 KB, 811x659, 2815745547556494.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2027534 Look at these: http://warrenlouw.deviantart.com/art/IFX-Strike-A-Pose-163076761 http://www.algarcia.org/AnimationPhysics/BalanceTutorial.pdf

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:51:01 2015 No.2028116
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>>2028098
Well I guess, I've been drawing for a few days so far after having given up summertime last year. I have absolutely no idea how the neck works either now that I look at it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 15:25:49 2015 No.2028159 >>2028030 Tezuka said that's all he did

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 15:48:12 2015 No.2028177 >>2027288 Tried it, it doesn't look right. You can't use that measurement unless the person is 8 heads tall. So how would you measure shoulder width if the person isn't 8 heads tall?

foxdit Sun Mar 22 16:02:48 2015 No.2028188 [DELETED]

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>sitting here doing a charcoal drawing of this... >get to her right hand
>she has two left hands
>all my wat

I think it's a long exposure where she moved her left hand up half way into the shot. But god that was confusing for a minute.

foxdit Sun Mar 22 16:04:53 2015 No.2028191
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>sitting here doing a charcoal drawing of this
>get to her right hand
>she has two left hands
>all my wat

I think it's a long exposure where she moved her left hand up half way into the shot. But god that was confusing for a minute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:08:52 2015 No.2028192 >>2028191 no her right hand is there. it's just almost al the same values in the palm but you can see her fingers foreshortening towards the camera

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:10:57 2015 No.2028193 File: 503 KB, 1450x1011, IMG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] excuse the filthy scanner

foxdit Sun Mar 22 16:28:49 2015 No.2028202
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>>2028192
You're saying the gemstone in her ring is pointed towards the palm side of her hand? Literally no one wears their rings that way. And the cigarette is clearly behind the hand, consistent with fingers pointed away from the camera. You should turn up your monitor's brightness, yo. Also note that the portion of her arm over the specular reflection of the bar is slightly transparent in the original photo, implying a long exposure shot with movement (but that may just be bloom effects).

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:33:12 2015 No.2028209 File: 461 KB, 698x633, cig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028202 Not him but I thought the cig was positioned like this

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:35:12 2015 No.2028211 >>2028209 >>2028202 >>2028192 It's clearly black and blue guys, wtf you talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:36:10 2015 No.2028215 >>2028211 Yeah it is you god damn goose

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:37:59 2015 No.2028219

>>2028193
Try to get some less scratchy linework. Also I feel like especially for things like the shading, you are copying his messy lines but not understanding the forms he is showing with them. You don't need to copy bridgman exactly for the shading, it is better to copy the form than the specific lines.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:49:00 2015 No.2028229
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>>2028202
maybe it's because i'm retarded but i'm reading it as this. i think the gemstone is just a dark shadow of her index finger with a simple band ring around it. i see the highlights of the fingernails and crease in the palm. plus her bracelets are missing from that arm and the way her clothes flow indicates it's her right arm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 16:49:24 2015 No.2028230 File: 728 KB, 1520x2688, IMAG0599.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is my third picture. obv not finish

>>	foxdit Sun Mar 22 16:58:46 2015 No.2028238 >>2028229 That is actually a fairly fascinating interpretation and may totally be right. Thanks anon. Kinda freaky being able to see it both ways. >>2028211 Exactly what I thought, haha

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:31:20 2015 No.2028277 >>2028177 Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:35:13 2015 No.2028280 Its 25 years that I draw. why I'm still a beginner?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:44:17 2015 No.2028287 File: 116 KB, 330x357, 69216371.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I spent too much time drawing and now my forearm and palm hurts, no one told me this would happen

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:52:02 2015 No.2028295 File: 1.19 MB, 1520x2688, aaaa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028230 Nose loose like it's over-defined. It's over-shaded along the bottom so it looks like there is a deep crease where there usually isnt one. It's also off center.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:53:15 2015 No.2028296 >>2028230 left eye is a triangle

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:33:44 2015 No.2028341 File: 257 KB, 917x924, tablet scribbles!!.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i just recently started using a tablet and decided to break it in with some naked girls. i know it's boring, unfinished chicken scratch but yay tablet!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:16:40 2015 No.2028405 how many milions tries it took you before you had a thing you wouldnt be ashamed to upload to your galery somewhere?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:19:07 2015 No.2028409 File: 1.22 MB, 2270x2092, Study8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried a lot of tools presets here and i just can't get comfy one. Could anyone recommend me some premade ones?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:20:26 2015 No.2028412 >>2028341 stiff

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:22:44 2015 No.2028417
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>>2028341
tumblr/10
It's still cute though and i like your lines. The only thing that sticks out really badly is the way you only draw the feet to the side, it's unnatural.
Go study what feet look like from different angles, especially the front. It will help you more than avoiding drawing them.

oh and the hands. Study some of those too. And hey when in doubt, guess what - unless you were in some horrible accident you kinda have TWO of those fuckers attached to your body. Use them as reference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:24:33 2015 No.2028421 Okay, I have this comparison problem. But I know why, every artist I follow is at a better/higher level than me. Meanwhile I still feel like I'm at a shitty level. What's the best fix?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:24:44 2015 No.2028422 >>2028412 Very. >>2028341 Do gesture drawing every day, pay special attention to the way weight is balanced in poses. Even when someone is standing up straight the pose won't actually be stiff like that.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:29:06 2015 No.2028424

>>2028421
Most likely, the people you are comparing yourself too feel the same way you do. Everyone does at some point, and I haven't seen a lot of people that don't do it. So you're not the only one.

The way to fix that is to knock it off. Stop comparing yourself to other artists and wasting time, instead compare your work to your old work. Save your best drawings every month and after a few months compare your best now to your best from months ago. See how you've improved and then keep working.
And if you don't improve then you're probably being a lazy shit.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:16:10 2015 No.2028540 I'm trying to start with Loomis but I seriously want to cry. I can't even make a silly face out of basic shapes. What can I do if Loomis is too difficult? Please say kill myself, because that seems to be the best thing for everyone.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:46:04 2015 No.2028575

>>2028540
Nigga I was in the same boat as you. I know how you feel but you making shitty faces out of faces is part of the process. Just do more and if you keep fucking up just try to reread it again. I would either recommend either Vilppu or Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson if loomis does become a pain. But don't give up or kill yourself. If you do kill yourself you things won't get worse but they won't get better. So just stay with us; if you need to take a break take a break.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:46:58 2015 No.2028577 >>2028540 You can try video tutorials, some of them are pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:07:32 2015 No.2028590 File: 29 KB, 537x647, qwertyu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Redline please

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:14:11 2015 No.2028593 File: 124 KB, 537x647, redlined.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028590

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:17:19 2015 No.2028595 >>2028593 Ah, thanks bro

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:32:39 2015 No.2028620
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Just finished reading Loomis and thought I'd apply the stuff I practised there to attempting to copy pic on the right. I've never drawn before(not since I was a kid at least). I now understand those abominations on deviantart better than I ever wanted to, but I'm actually quite happy with it. The biggest flaws are probably the hairline and the tongue, they look so dumb. I had fun though!

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:43:36 2015 No.2028629
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>>2028620
Try to guage distances by visualizing straight horizontal and vertical lines (artists use a tool called a plumb line for exactitude when it comes to vertical lines but you probably aren't going to have the luxury of a piece of string with a weight attached to it at this time). The basic shape of the head is alright but the proportions are out of whack because you're having a hard time seeing the big picture. Notice how in the picture at right the ears for example are only subtly placed above the eyeball but on yours on the left they're way up on the side of the head. If you would have visualized a straight horizontal line from the tip of the eyebrow to the end of the head you would have more or less had the placement of the ears revealed. Similarly visualizing a vertical line from the eyebrow of the stage right eye would have given you the placement of the tip of the nose.

Always keep an eye out for spatial relationships like that. Keep it up broh you're going to make it

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:46:04 2015 No.2028633 >>2028412 >>2028417 >>2028422 sorry for the late reply, but thank you! I'll be sure to work on these all!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:51:55 2015 No.2028637 >>2027184 the blue and red look like chromatic aberration.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:00:19 2015 No.2028640 >>2028629 Thanks! That's actually really useful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:19:42 2015 No.2028661 >>2028101 thank you that's really helpful .

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:29:07 2015 No.2028668 File: 32 KB, 436x436, 1sd7s2gb.wizardchan.1401031100135.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw pirating sakimichan's patreon tutorials

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:30:29 2015 No.2028669 >>2028668 You aren't a lost sale so she doesn't care.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:36:16 2015 No.2028675 >>2028629 not that anon but that's pretty interesting, thanks for sharing

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:36:59 2015 No.2028676 File: 251 KB, 1086x765, Untitled-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >first 10 minutes >this person half a million a year of their art

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:39:40 2015 No.2028678 >>2027158 I'm an absolute beginner and i'm not exactly sure where to start. Should i be drawing things from life first or should i start with the books in the sticky.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:40:20 2015 No.2028679 >>2028676 those eyes are not half way down the face saki needs loomis

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:43:43 2015 No.2028683 >>2028678 read loomis, it's short and sweet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:44:06 2015 No.2028684 >>2028676 Wow, is this what she puts out? Crappy drawings incorrectly parroting free information that already available and better than this. And she misspelled "basic".

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:47:36 2015 No.2028688 >>2028676 >clavical >visible in the middle pick one

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:48:22 2015 No.2028690 >>2028684 To be fair it's probably been forever than she's actually tried to draw a face using the normal proportion and not just drawing it how it "ought" to feel. Also I'm 90% certain her first language isn't English based on her Mexican accent

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:49:52 2015 No.2028692 File: 3 KB, 122x125, 1405438643830.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028676

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 23:56:20 2015 No.2028699 >>2028690 Right, but why is she teaching that way of drawing if she doesn't use it? And she's mexican? Lol, last thing I would have expected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 00:03:40 2015 No.2028708 >>2028699 her English is also pretty shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 00:20:28 2015 No.2028721 >>2028699 >surprised overblown popular artist is Hispanic remember Picasso?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 00:32:28 2015 No.2028736 >>2028071 http://chat.pixiv.net/roomtop.php?id=498375

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 00:56:21 2015 No.2028752 File: 19 KB, 450x415, 432424.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I draw breasts at any angle?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:32:12 2015 No.2028774 File: 322 KB, 800x600, stuff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know this is wrong, but I have no idea how to fix this no matter how many times I attempt this. I'm just trying to get proportions correct, but to no avail. Any advice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:40:12 2015 No.2028778 File: 308 KB, 658x885, 97878c94cb0f40f128a2176c725921a1b235e56551ebb-5Crcqn_fw658.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028774 use your eyes you cunt, stop drawing what you think you see.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:44:26 2015 No.2028783 Anyone have any good images to try and draw upside down other than the Igor Stravinsky one?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:50:55 2015 No.2028791

>>2028778
Can you more specific? I know I hear this a lot, but what do people actually mean when they say this? I can draw objects and do perspective really well, but I just can't seem to figure draw for the life of me.

Could you elaborate or perhaps give non-vague advise?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:54:28 2015 No.2028792
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>>2028783

Take any image and do the same with it. It's a study on recognizing proportions, not about getting it right upside down. You're literally doing it so you can see the negative space between the shapes and nail the proportions.

>>2028791

Look at the figure you're attempting to use as reference. Now look at your figure. NOW LAY YOUR FIGURE ON TOP OF THE REFERENCE. See how they don't line up and you're just drawing shapes for the body parts? Stop that. That torso is not a fucking oval, it's a physical mass that has weight to it with muscles and bone and blood and life mixed into boobs. Don't try to draw the entire figure, just focus on her torso and hips, draw those and post. Don't do one drawing, do multiple per whatever you're using.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:55:56 2015 No.2028793

>>2028791
not that guy but heres an exerpt from a journal i read on another site

Visual Measuring: The act of horizontally or vertically connecting different points of the body to correctly lay in proportions. For example if you were in a life drawing class what you could do is hold your arm out fully stretched and line up the pencil point with a part of the body. In this case let's say the elbow. From there you can hold out your pencil horizontal or vertical and match up other landmarks on the body to better determine if where you're drawing the elbow is correct. In much the same way you can also use this to get a head height and compare how long certain body parts are or how many head heights they are in distance. You get the idea.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:56:22 2015 No.2028794

>>2028774
Have you ever actually read a book on figure drawing, or watched a series of videos on it?
The first thing you should do is establish the overall proportions, that is the width and the height, and the most basic segments of the body, like torso, legs and head, within that framework, plus the most basic directions you can see in the body, to actually know what the fuck you're doing.
Actually fuck it, the first thing you should do is trace over the image and focus on the proportions, do this a couple times until you have an idea of how it is you want to proceed in the drawing. Then do that same shit without tracing, roughly 100 times

>>2028791
> but what do people actually mean when they say this?
It's poo advice, nobody draws what they see

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:59:10 2015 No.2028795

>>2028792
>Look at the figure you're attempting to use as reference. Now look at your figure. NOW LAY YOUR FIGURE ON TOP OF THE REFERENCE. See how they don't line up and you're just drawing shapes for the body parts? Stop that. That torso is not a fucking oval, it's a physical mass that has weight to it with muscles and bone and blood and life mixed into boobs. Don't try to draw the entire figure, just focus on her torso and hips, draw those and post. Don't do one drawing, do multiple per whatever you're using.

I'm drawing 40 figures a day and keep making this very mistake. I'm unsure how to correct it. How exactly do I go about drawing the "torso" and "hips"? I'm going to be using the same method I've been doing and I'm going to get the same exact mistake again.

What would you suggest a method on drawing the figure?

>Visual Measuring
Thanks for that, but I am using that method of measuring on all my figure drawings. Even though it keeps failing me, I keep at it using that method.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 01:59:38 2015 No.2028796

>>2028752
You just have to draw the line under the breasts, it's a symmetrical curved line with a particular rhythm that gets used all the time as a design element in idealized female figures. Then you can just add half a nip on each side and a hint at the interior lines and there you go

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:08:32 2015 No.2028801
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>>2028792
I drew what the torso and hips.

>>2028794
>Have you ever actually read a book on figure drawing, or watched a series of videos on it?

I've only seen Proko's video on figure drawing and read Loomis' books on measuring the body. Using their methods are what results are being provided. I draw a good 40+ a day, and I keep making the same mistake.

I'm unsure how to fix this, but then again I don't know what books or videos I should read/watch to resolve this.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:14:30 2015 No.2028805

>>2028801
Why are you drawing all outlines and shit and no construction, no nothing, do like 20 drawings without any outlines at all, outlines are of the devil. But first of all you need to establish the overall proportions of the whole thing, like just where does the figure begin and end on your page, where's the head and genitalia, etc. don't just go in and draw the figure itself

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:14:35 2015 No.2028806
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I've read several methods on how to measure the body, and they're all basically the same. Measure 8 heads tall and go on from there.

But what if someone isn't 8 heads tall?
I try to measure half way for hips, but I always get really short legs. Also, my shoulders always come off as too wide but I'm unsure how to correct this.

Even when taking my time using the measure methods provided, it always looks off cause no body will have the proportions provided in the example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:16:25 2015 No.2028807 >>2028805 How do I figure this out? It lacks construction since I'm trying to figure out the proportions. I don't know how to maintain a proper accuracy since the 8 heads method fails me no matter how exact my measurements are on paper.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:20:25 2015 No.2028809
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anyone have any references or pointers on how to draw a guy putting on a business shirt half on?
i cant find any decent references whatsoever and this is the only thing that is close to what im doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:25:26 2015 No.2028812 >>2028806 Try this approach out. It might help. http://www.erikgist.com/ErikGist_WattsAtelierFigureTutorial.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:26:45 2015 No.2028813 >>2028809 You could try using yourself as a ref in front of a large mirror. Alternatively you could shoot photos of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:26:52 2015 No.2028814 >>2028809 take a photo of yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:29:02 2015 No.2028815 >>2028812 I've gone about using this approach, and even use some of this methods. Sadly, the end result is what you see.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:32:31 2015 No.2028818 >>2028801 if you actually read loomis you would know to use construction rather than just draw an outline. Try doing a simpler pose if the one youre trying to do is too hard

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:34:38 2015 No.2028823

>>2028818
>if you actually read loomis

I've only read Fun with a Pencil and the beginner of Figure Drawing for all it's worth to understand the framework/measurement.

What Loomis book do you recommend I read to get a better understanding of what you're saying?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:36:34 2015 No.2028826 >>2028823 dude the moment he introduces drawing bodies in fun with pencil he goes by a construction, how did you miss it? Try this then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3yBGkdH_gA

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:39:45 2015 No.2028829

>>2028815
Show us your construction. Are you drawing any other lines that the ones we see here? If so, don't erase them. If not, then you're not constructing, and thus not following the techniques shown by Loomis, Proko or Gist.

If you have difficulty with that, then you need more practice drawing the basic forms. All constructions of the figure use forms that are close derivatives of the basic ones (boxes, cylinders, etc).

Learn your perspective first. Then learn how to construct simple forms. Draw a ton of still lifes when you do this (not from photos!). Construct apples, vases, shoes, anything with relatively simple forms that you can find around the house. You need to be able to draw and construct simple forms before moving onto complex forms. The figure as a whole is a very complex and moving form, made up of various smaller forms that can deform in various ways.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 02:45:58 2015 No.2028836

>>2028826
That part with the body construction gave me the most trouble. I wasn't show how to go about using this method since he only displayed two examples and didn't go too depth into it. That's where I stopped reading Fun with a Pencil since I wasn't sure what he was talking about.

>>2028829
I do life drawings all the time and have taken classes with advance perspective doing 4 point perspective with ease. Drawing landscapes is not an issue for me, Figure Drawing is my problem.

As for the techniques being used, maybe I'm missing something. Out of one the pictures I posted, what "construction" should I be adding? And I'm not sure who Gist is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 03:21:39 2015 No.2028860 >>2028806 No ones legs are gonna be short enough to measure in as noticeably smaller than 8 heads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 03:57:40 2015 No.2028868 >>2028676 She draws realistic anime art, not real people. This tutorial will teach you how to mimic her style, not draw in general. You fucking niggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 04:10:47 2015 No.2028876 >>2028868 >anime then the eyes would be a lot bigger, the ears would be lower and the nose would be smaller it just looks weird as fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 04:13:45 2015 No.2028878 >>2028876 luckily she uses lots and lots of vibrant colors to draw your eyes away from it then

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 04:39:12 2015 No.2028898 >>2028876 >realistic anime The point is a noticeable mix between the two. I wonder how sakis third world parents feel about her making a half mil off of porn and disney redraws?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 04:43:09 2015 No.2028900 >>2028736 I dont understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 04:50:21 2015 No.2028902 File: 859 KB, 1610x1740, bryła.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how can i get good color shadeing, any toutrials?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:31:13 2015 No.2028975 >>2028032 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHO0h3nNM2s

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:34:58 2015 No.2028976 >>2028676 >That chicken scratch And I get furious when I can get circle right in first go

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:38:32 2015 No.2028977 File: 573 KB, 1426x2550, redline3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2028774 >>2028791 Old redline I once made, maybe will be helpfull

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:44:42 2015 No.2028981
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>>2028801
>>2028806
>>2028774
Read "Charles Bargue And Jean Leon Gerome Drawing Course"

Measure stuff when drawing from reference, don't make up shit from your head. Combine 2D observations with 3D forms.

Proportion like heads units you should use when drawing completly from your head. Even then you should use references to get things right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:52:07 2015 No.2028984 >>2028981 >>2028977 Don't take the bait, there is no way he is this stupid after all the posted resources and advice.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:57:14 2015 No.2028988
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These hands are wrong and I am hating my drawing so much right now, please help. There are so many things wrong but I just want to finish this and be done with it, and the hands are bothering me so much arghhh.

Also, I ended up choosing to do this drawing because I felt I'd learn more from having a harder perspective.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:14:36 2015 No.2028992 >>2028988 people are gonna bash you because you're starting with anime, mate

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:16:36 2015 No.2028993 >>2028992 dont really see whats wrong with his drawing facial proportions are mostly accurate, it's just his choice of eyes but that's his choice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:24:35 2015 No.2028995 >>2028988 You made the wrong choice because the final image is always going to look shitty. Your best bet is to move the slut in the back ground forwards so her face is pressed against the guys, in a warm comforting manner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:42:53 2015 No.2029002 >>2028988 looks okay also tits don't really overlap like that before i started drawing already knew that

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:51:29 2015 No.2029005 >>2028992 Ah, sorry, I just wanted to do a drawing for a certain anime/web shot I like. I usually practice with realistic proportions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:53:49 2015 No.2029007 >>2029002 They kind of overlap when they're more angled, but yeah I think you're right, it's too front-facing for them to be overlapped. Should I just erase the right boob line then?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:57:02 2015 No.2029010

Hi guys. I'm an absolute beginner. Tried to do the image flip drawing thing from the Betty Edwards book to help me focus on lines and shapes. It's flipped right side up for the post though.

My arm got really tired by the time I got to the bottom of the page though (the head area) and overall it took me 2 hours.

Is this decent for someone who has never drawn before?
I'm honestly surprised it turned out this good but the lines helped a lot. Am I not supposed to use them? I saw the technique in another video where they were doing the same thing, only the image in the video wasn't flipped upside down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 08:57:39 2015 No.2029011 File: 599 KB, 1800x1284, Mon March 23rd, 2015 - Upside Down Exercise - Elphelt 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029010 forgot image. sized it down.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:13:50 2015 No.2029018
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>>2029011
Do what, and only what, the book tells you for specific exercises. Since you gridded it, it kinda becomes like 20 mini-drawings, which makes it easier to create a good drawing.
That being said, that seems like a really complicated image to give to an absolute beginner for an "upside-down exercise."
Try this upside-down instead and give yourself 40ish minutes and NO GRID. It will look bad, but it will be a more worthwhile experience.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:15:30 2015 No.2029021

>>2029010
>>2029011
it's perfectly par for the course, but the most important thing is that you feel you understand what drawing what you see really means. could you reproduce the results if you tried it again but with the picture right-side up?

to make sure I'd suggest trying the exercise again just without the grid lines (still upside down). try the Stravinsky pic I attached to the post.

edit: lol, above posted beat me with the exact same image

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:17:16 2015 No.2029023 >>2029007 i can see why you drew them that way but if anything it looks like they overlap it's just a nitpick really, maybe try making them look squashed together but i dont know

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:19:05 2015 No.2029024 >>2029023 Alright, thanks dude, I'll go look at more ref pics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:24:54 2015 No.2029027 >>2028868 >This tutorial will teach you how to mimic her style what a terrible and useless "tutorial" then.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 10:11:49 2015 No.2029041

>>2029018
The book does mention finding more shit to draw from, specifically line art for that exact exercise.

>>2029010
I skipped that shit and went straight to keys to drawing, way more exercises and much less bullshit.

Ditch the grid though, the is learning to draw an image in small pieces at a time rather than the entire outline all at once as well as drawing exactly what you see rather than filling gaps with what you think should be there.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 10:19:12 2015 No.2029044

>>2029041
Terrible for becoming a new master, great if you like her art and want to be able to do something similar one day.

#ignore this part if you hate weaboos
I once met a pair of older homosexual males in a beginner Japanese course who wore toradora merch. They took the jap and basic art course purely to learn to draw their own manga, specifically a fan fic they were working on where taiga was a short man.
They achieved happiness being able to mimic their favorite mangaka by the end of their one year art course and lived fulfilling lives as a result.

tl;dr: If you go to mcdonalds expecting gourmet and never return upon failing to receive it you'll miss out on the joys of a 2AM shit faced post club burger.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 10:54:58 2015 No.2029055

>>2028829
So, you don't have an answer? Kind of odd to try to give advice on a subject you yourself don't understand.

>>2028977
>>2028981
Is the "8 heads tall" method irrelevant? If so, why does everyone suggest the method?

>>2028984
It's funny since no one really posted any sources since I've been asking. Just read X author when I've been reading their work. The end result is what is provided in the image.

If people have resource or actual non-vague advise, please provide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 10:55:40 2015 No.2029057 what photoshop brush do yall use for sketching? Should I set the pen pressure to opacity or width?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 11:25:21 2015 No.2029083
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Im wondering if:
The eye was initially modeled unconsciously to be looking up towards the viewer but then treated as if being viewed straight on.
If there is anything major to do to help validate the lighting further.
If the recession between the browline and the top left corner of the eye is too deep. If so, how is it fixed, by increasing value?

This is the first thing Ive created which is actually moderately appealing or convincing, but there are a fuck ton of questions as to why.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 11:58:35 2015 No.2029105

>>2028836
>I do life drawings all the time and have taken classes with advance perspective doing 4 point perspective with ease.
I have a hard time believing that. Show us your life drawings.

>Drawing landscapes is not an issue for me
Not relevant to figure drawing. It's easy to fake landscape drawings without any real understanding of forms, planes and light.

>Out of one the pictures I posted, what "construction" should I be adding?
Literally exactly what Proko or Loomis shows. You're jumping into drawing outlines. Draw forms with cross contour lines. Draw through the forms. Construction doesn't mean copy the outline of what you see, and it doesn't mean breaking things down into shapes. It generally refers to breaking things down into simpler forms, and actually drawing those forms. You're not doing any of that, and if you are you're erasing it without properly using it.

>And I'm not sure who Gist is.
That's the guy in the pdf I linked. His name is in the URL. Did you actually read through the whole thing, or just glance at it?

>>2029055
>So, you don't have an answer? Kind of odd to try to give advice on a subject you yourself don't understand.
I was asleep. Plus nobody here has any obligation to help you. You've already have access to great resources that should tell you most of what you need to know.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:01:31 2015 No.2029106

>>2029055
>>2029105
>>2029055
>Is the "8 heads tall" method irrelevant?
"8 heads tall" isn't a method, but just the accepted average height of an idealized figure that's easy to draw. It's a common measurement because it places the pubic bone right at the center of the height. Read Figure Drawing For All Its Worth, and read everything he has to say about proportion, not the first bit of information you see.

>>2029055
>It's funny since no one really posted any sources since I've been asking.
People told you which Loomis book to read, another anon gave you informative redlines he made before, and I linked you to Gist. You said yourself you only read the beginning of Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. If you have issues with drawing figures, why wouldn't you read the entire book on drawing figures? Take some initiative to your learning. There's a lot more to it than finding out people are 8 heads tall, and he actually shows you construction in the book. Proko shows it too - have you watched all his figure drawing videos and followed along with the exercises? You can't just watch it and expect to absorb the material, and if you followed the exercises you would have no confusion over what construction is, and why everyone says you aren't constructing your figures.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:08:36 2015 No.2029117

>>2029105
>Literally exactly what Proko or Loomis shows. You're jumping into drawing outlines. Draw forms with cross contour lines. Draw through the forms. Construction doesn't mean copy the outline of what you see, and it doesn't mean breaking things down into shapes. It generally refers to breaking things down into simpler forms, and actually drawing those forms. You're not doing any of that, and if you are you're erasing it without properly using it.

I'm not erasing anything since I'm unsure what exactly to create. The method you mention doesn't sound like anything Loomis or Proko suggested.

>People told you which Loomis book to read
No they didn't. The only person who throw out titles was me, everyone else says to read Loomis. Unless you believe he literally only has one book.

As for the Proko method, I've done literally over 1000 figure drawing poses with his 2 minute demonstration on how to figure draw. So much so, when people post on this very thread on their gesture drawings, I know exactly what models they used for references.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:11:56 2015 No.2029119
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>>2029083
I did a quick paint over for you anon.

Remember, the MOST important thing about lighting in any piece of art is keeping the light source consistent. It helps if you try to imagine whatever you're drawing as a simple shape, then imagine light falling over it. The eye for example, from a lighting point of view, is like a ball in a cup. If you turn it mostly away from the light, it will mostly be in shadow.

The second most important thing about lighting is value strength. This means that you draw your dark's dark, and your light's light, instead of keeping things more of a grey in-between. It can be scary at first to use strong values because it feels risky, but remember; there's no mistake so bad you can't just paint over it again.

Now, a few things about your drawing. Notice how the spot above the eye in the socket is brighter than the forehead above? That means it would have to be catching more light than the forehead, which it would only do by sticking out past the eyebrow. That's easily fixed by making it a bit darker and lightening up the forehead more.

The eye ball itself seems flat because of how the shadow cuts straight across it. Shadows on a round surface usually curve, and in a drawing this helps show something has volume. Making the shadow follow an ellipse fixes that minor issue.

The cheek and under-eye area are both rather bright, since they should be rather shaded to fit in context with the rest of the face. The bottom eyelid is almost always going to be shaded, as light almost always comes from above the eye and therefore can't illuminate it. Still, one or two brush strokes and the problem is fixed.

Finally, a few details could be sharpened up a little, using bright highlights and dark background for contrast. I went through and re shaped a few tiny things, made the pupil's lower edge a little darker, brightened the iris a bit, tightened up some edges, etc.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:15:21 2015 No.2029124

>>2029083
>>2029119 cont'

Right now you're drawing exists in the uncanny valley, where it closely approaches reality but is still a bit off. You can escape the uncanny valley by doing some lighting studies of still life objects and from paintings. You're very close to leveling up anon, good luck

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:25:39 2015 No.2029146 >>2029124 Anon, you are a wonderful person. I am taking all these things to heart and trying my luck again tomorrow, might upload if it is an improvement. Have a great day.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:26:33 2015 No.2029151
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Guys~ i don't know how to do grill parts, Does anyone got anything on measuring gurl shoulders, arms and body to proper length?

I don't want to mess up the body, im a bit stumped.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:35:21 2015 No.2029168

>>2029117
>The method you mention doesn't sound like anything Loomis or Proko suggested.
How would you know what Loomis suggests when you haven't read Figure Drawing For All It's Worth? Fun with a Pencil does show simple construction. He draws spheres with cross contour lines, adds to them with other blocks and spheres, then turns that into the drawing of a head. Those heads are constructed with forms in mind.

> I've done literally over 1000 figure drawing poses with his 2 minute demonstration on how to figure draw.

It sounds like you're confusing gesture drawing with figure drawing perhaps? 2 minute demonstrations are only enough time to capture a detailed gesture drawing, whereas 30 seconds is enough to capture a quick gesture drawing. Proko shows both, and Loomis doesn't talk about gesture at all (he does talk about rhythm later in Figure Drawing For All Its Worth, but that's a bit different).

Watch this entire Proko playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws

The videos on the bean, the robo bean and structure are relevant to drawing the torso as another anon suggested. Notice the cross contour lines he draws. Pay attention to how he breaks down the figure (a complex form) into simpler basic forms and that he actually draws those basic forms, then later refines.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:41:26 2015 No.2029173

>>2029151
Length wise a female figure and a male figure are practically identical. The biggest proportional changes lie with widths (width of the shoulders, width of the hips). That's a bit of a simplification, but the basic proportions between male and female figures aren't all that different. Most figure drawing resources in the sticky should address anatomical and proportional differences between men and women.

Something like this might also be informative. If you mouse over the images on the bottom, you can cycle between the male and female figure. You can also compare stock images of standing males to standing females, and note down what differences you see on average.
http://www.anatomytools.com/prfmfv2-1-6scale-p599.php#
(Note that I only linked those models for you to see the images; I'm not suggesting that you buy them for this particular problem)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:43:58 2015 No.2029178 lol this fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:47:18 2015 No.2029184 File: 300 KB, 900x900, e33.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] IF YOU CAN DRAW EYES YOU'RE NORMIE, A FUCKING NORMIE

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:48:24 2015 No.2029185 >>2029168 proko is fucking garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:48:59 2015 No.2029187 File: 35 KB, 343x364, So+where+can+i+get+the+links+on+this+info+_309beae9987c2c919bf6065f4d97dce2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029146 I love you too, bae <3<3

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:50:01 2015 No.2029189 >>2029184 >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:54:08 2015 No.2029197

>>2029168
I know Vilppu's manual goes over the bean method, however I'm trying to complete 10 hours worth of Chapter 1 before I move on.

Thing is, I haven't done much of Chapter 1 since I've been told (not here) that my issues with my action figures is the proportions are off. So now I'm currently trying to tackle proportions which I'm having a lot of difficulty with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:55:49 2015 No.2029201 How long should you practice things? I've been focusing on heads and decided to move on to, I don't know, the torso or something when I figure out how to do heads reasonably well regularly. But I'm not sure if that's how I should go about it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 13:10:30 2015 No.2029217

>>2029201
You may find that you'll progress faster if you draw lots and lots of basic shapes, like spheres, cubes, cones, pyramids, cylinders, etc. instead of practicing one complex shape after another.

Large, complex shapes can always be broken down into small, simple ones, so if you understand very well how the little shapes work, you can build pretty much any form without much difficulty.

Now, that doesn't mean you shouldn't draw whatever you want as well, you could spend all day drawing people and buildings and animals and spaceships and whatever else. As long as you're also building that understanding of shape and volume by practicing the fundamental 3D objects, you'll improve in leaps and bounds.

Also, don't be afraid to try to draw new things. In fact, if you challenge yourself by drawing things you don't understand or find very difficult, and you work on figuring out how to break them down into manageable chunks, you'll begin to get much more confident in your artwork. Plus you'll increase your visual library and grasp of anatomy/architectural design/mechanical engineering/landscapes etc. It's always better to draw a variety of things rather than stagnate into one narrow subject.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 13:16:23 2015 No.2029222

>>2029197
>however I'm trying to complete 10 hours worth of Chapter 1 before I move on.
Which book is this, the Vilppu Drawing Manual or something else? If it is Vilppu, note that he also has companion videos that will teach you a lot.

I suggest delving deeper than the first chapter. Try an hour or two per chapter and blast through the material. It will give you a better sense of the scope of everything and how they relate to one another. Then go you can through it again but slower and more meticulously. Remember that all figure drawing resources are meant to supplement live figure drawing. Find some figure drawing sessions you can attend, you get friends and family to sit for you (clothed in that case).

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 13:20:51 2015 No.2029227

>>2029217
Ah, I see. Thank you very much. I've started seeing shapes in bodyparts, for example arms as cylinders, very roughly. But I've had no idea how to put it on paper without it looking extremely wrong. I suppose I've had difficulty making things look like they're not flat, too. So drawing things like cubes might/will probably very useful.
But I'll do what you said, thank you very much it was certainly helpful if nothing else.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 13:38:59 2015 No.2029245

>>2029222
I'm currently taking classes at my college for live figure drawing every week. Upon grading my drawings, my teacher always states how my proportions are incorrect. However, once I get my proportions correct, then I'm basically set.

Thing is, as gathered from this thread, I'm just having so much difficulty with proportions. Reason why my drawings come out as just outlines is because I'm simply trying to figure out if the proportions are correct, nothing more.

And just to verify, yes it is Vilppu's manual.
As for the videos, where can I find those? Does it go through each chapter or is it one large video?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 13:52:28 2015 No.2029259 >>2027158 >>2027176 How do you do this chromatic aberration thing? I know it's supposedly a filter but I don't see it. I'm not sure my version of PS has it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 13:59:00 2015 No.2029264

>>2029245
cgp has it when registration opens at the beginning of the month, but there are other torrents out there. There's a vilppu drawing manual series (follows the chapters of the book) and a vilppu anatomy series. You might even be able to find a russian site to stream it if you look for it.

To get proportions right, hold out your pencil or a thin stick and measure. Place short marks on your page to mark the top and bottom of the figure, and any other vertical measurements for other landmarks as needed (bottom of head, bottom of sternum, pubic bone, etc). Next do your horizontal measurements and place marks on your sheet. After all the measuring is done, you should just have a few small marks on your page - nothing that looks remotely like a figure. Then, use those marks as a guideline to draw your gesture, construct basic forms, then turn those basic forms into anatomically correct forms.

In fact, just watch the entire Vilppu drawing course videos (12 of them). Don't worry about following along or anything, just power through them all. After you've done that, you'll now have an understanding of what you should be doing and why when you approach your figure studies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:01:00 2015 No.2029266 >>2029259 >Make a duplicate layer of the entire image >double click the empty space to the right of the layer name >Advanced Blending, Channels: RGB >unclick one of them and OK >use the the move tool to move the picture Enjoy and don't over use it

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:01:26 2015 No.2029267

>>2029259
It's a series of steps, not a single filter. kr0npr1nz is notorious for using it, but I think he even put out a tutorial on how to do it. It's meant to replicate artifacts that appear in some photographs in certain conditions, but it's usually overdone. It's the modern equivalent of the lens flare.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:03:32 2015 No.2029269 >>2029264 Thanks for that info. My difficult in these is finding out where to place each landmark. For example; say my model is 7 1/2 heads tall. How would I determined where the hips go? I'm assuming I just draw a line half way and go on from there?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:03:51 2015 No.2029270
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Jesus Christ, I can't draw legs. It's so hard for me, even with a reference.
Pic related is a 5/10 minutes quick sketch but I couldn't fix that even if given two hours.
Any tips for legs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:06:22 2015 No.2029271 >>2029266 >>2029267 Oh okay thanks, I was able to do it. I don't intend to use it in my own work, probably, but I'm planning to do a Kron study so I needed to know how to do it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:11:49 2015 No.2029278

>>2029269
Vilppu will show you a good way to do it, and he also measures figures using cranial height instead of head height, which arguably gives you more precision because it uses boney landmarks instead of fleshy ones that can move (nipple, belly button).

If the figure is 7 1/2 heads tall, your best off doing your initial measurements as if they were 8 heads tall, use that to measure out the torso landmarks, then remove 1/2 head height from the legs.

For an 8 head tall figure, the pubic bone is a the mid point. Using head units you have the head, then the nipple is another head length down, then the belly button is another head length down, then the pubic bone is another head length down.

If you're using cranial units, one unit gets you to the bottom of the nose, then another unit gets you to the pit of the neck, then another unit gets you to the tip of the sternum (ignoring the xiphoid process), another unit gets you to the corner of the 10th rib, etc. The many videos in Vilppu's Drawing Manual and the Anatomy series cover proportions. Proko even has a video that covers cranial measurements as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMoplyGboI

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:14:14 2015 No.2029280

>>2029278
I literally skipped to 7 min part of this video and already answered my major problem that has been completely stagnating my process. I'll watch the full vid later obviously, but holy shit anon you finally solved my problem. Thanks for putting up with my bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:22:15 2015 No.2029285 File: 54 KB, 776x983, Gestures_3-17.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Started to gesture drawings for warm-up recently. Was wondering if the method I'm using is good or if there's a better technique I could use when it comes to gestures.

>>	foxdit Mon Mar 23 14:31:16 2015 No.2029300 File: 414 KB, 813x774, smokingwoman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finished this charcoal scene. I love back/rim lighting so much. >>2028202 >>2028191 Ended up drawing her with two left hands haha

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:37:09 2015 No.2029306
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>>2029270
The back leg in the reference tapers a lot more because of the foreshortening, meaning that the back leg is gonna be quite a bit smaller than the front.

The back leg that you put is trying to match the length of the front leg too much instead of taking into account the perspective that the reference does.

If you overlay your drawing with the reference, you'll see what I mean.

Other than the the hips and shapes of the legs look fine. The only issue is actually with the breasts. Try tapering the inner cleavage a bit and try curving out the the outer part a bit to give them more gravity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:39:25 2015 No.2029308 File: 276 KB, 799x1060, Gesture_3-23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029285 Another example of one of my gesture drawing sessions.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:45:03 2015 No.2029312
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i know this looks pretty bad but i can't seem to make it look any better, i've tried messing with the proportions of the facial features but no matter what i do i can't make it look right, any advice would be appreciated

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:02:43 2015 No.2029334
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>>2029312
Forehead comes out a little too far. Lips and chin are too far out, also. From the tip of the nose, usually you can draw a straight line down to the chin and the lips will follow. Pic related. Sketch a bit more, look at more general guides on the head. Also, the eyes seem like they may be sunken a little too far into the skull, maybe push them more forward?

Try not to worry about paint/color until you can draw proportionately in pencil. or else everyone will say "The colors are nice I guess but...it looks off/weird."

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:04:30 2015 No.2029338
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>>2029312

>>2029334
For one thing, unless you give her an outlining shadow, use outlines, or put her on darker background, you're not going to be able to give her depth because the edges are so light you can't tell where her forehead ends and the background begins.

You are also playing it way too safe with the shadows in general. You need to use darker shadows to add more depth in places to indicate her shapes, especially with the jawline.

Also, what >>2029334 said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:10:22 2015 No.2029346 File: 405 KB, 960x1280, tumblr_nlnislctwT1tbff57o1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] h-hey guys i'm not classically trained, what should i do to git gud?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:12:53 2015 No.2029349 File: 710 KB, 2512x1628, shitpractice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's a little sampling of the practice I do. I usually devote a full page or two to each of these.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:12:58 2015 No.2029350 >>2029346 oh right, context - this is a parody of pulp fiction paperback covers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:27:46 2015 No.2029364

>>2029346
I think this is pretty nice for someone who hasn't had any training, but the solution for getting better is to do some training.

One thing I've learned while having time to myself is to not be afraid to be a student all the time. Take out some books on anatomy or cartooning, or hell, demon designs. And do what the books tell you to, get out of your comfort zone.

And reference everything. Even if you're not copying a picture, at least have a picture in front of you for inspiration for rocks and bat wings and devils. I've never seen pulp fiction paperbacks, so this is just general improvement advice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:29:57 2015 No.2029368 >>2029364 Also, watch Jazza and Sycra Yasin's youtube videos. IMO they're pretty helpful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:38:13 2015 No.2029457 >>2029368 >Jazza No, he has had no progress and his methods has to be unlearned later if you want to improve >Sycra Yes.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:40:41 2015 No.2029459
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Still working on trying to capture a proper proportion. Using the new 2 methods mentioned here as well as Loomis' and Proko method.

If anyone has non-vague advise, let me know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:48:41 2015 No.2029468 >>2029459 Stop drawing outlines and start drawing construction and measurement, lines I already told you dawg. Also start tracing over the surface on top of the image for practice, IGNORE THE OUTLINES

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:53:47 2015 No.2029474 >>2029459 i really like how you draw, it's really weird. reminds me of a certain sculptor that i can't recall the name of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:58:25 2015 No.2029479 File: 318 KB, 1248x1016, Torso_Study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Torso Study, How do?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:00:01 2015 No.2029482

>>2029468
You keep bringing up construction without any info. Please be specific as to what you're talking about. You're throwing the word out there with no meaning. Unless you can elaborate as to what you mean by "construction", then perhaps you'll start making sense.

Otherwise, I'll appreciate any non-vague advise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:02:46 2015 No.2029483 >>2029482 Please go fuck yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:03:52 2015 No.2029484 >>2029483 >Being this upset I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:06:54 2015 No.2029487 >>2029479 perspective is off

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:07:02 2015 No.2029488

>>2029482
He means, trying using the foundation methods that Proko and Loomis describe to map out the basic shapes of the figure instead of going straight for an outline, it'll help you figure out how to properly proportion the figure.

Also, politely asking someone to elaborate on what they mean instead of berating them when they don't provide the details you need makes you come off as an entitled cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:07:12 2015 No.2029489 >>2029484 epic :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:09:09 2015 No.2029490 File: 124 KB, 600x595, 1414604219434.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do you unmerge a layer? someone please answer. I seriously need to know this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:09:45 2015 No.2029491 >>2029490 Ctrl+z?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:09:52 2015 No.2029492 >>2029490 is it not in the history?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:12:01 2015 No.2029495 >>2029490 select everything you want on a new layer, cut, paste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:15:58 2015 No.2029498 >>2029487 Do you mean in regards to the hips or are you referring to the pose? After going over it, I saw I didn't bend the back as much as the reference. Thanks for the input.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:28:06 2015 No.2029517 >>2029285 go big or go home

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:29:06 2015 No.2029520

>>2029488
From what I've seen from Proko and read from Loomis, they don't go into very much detail into how the foundation works with the human body or trying to determined basic shapes.

Could you provide a video / book that goes more depth into this subject?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:30:15 2015 No.2029521 >>2029482 If you were actually in a drawing class you would know what construction is

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:32:01 2015 No.2029525 >>2029521 I guess I don't. Where can I locate more info on construction? Or in my case, any info since I'm unfamiliar with the subject. I wouldn't know where to start.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:33:21 2015 No.2029530
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>Wan't to learn how to draw something basic on the human with no reference
>Decide on hands
>As days go by i reduce it to just fingers
>After 7 days i can finally draw good line-art hands without reference
>Move on to upper body
>Have trouble drawing basic oval and add depth lines to it
So, practice practice practice?
Anything i'm obviously doing wrong persistently?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:34:54 2015 No.2029535 >>2029525 The Master's Guide to Construction in Art (2014): http://goo gl/OAbK4U

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:35:46 2015 No.2029537 >>2029525 just take a figure drawing class for real, you seem beyond hope or autistic based on your rejection of any help that has been offered here

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:37:21 2015 No.2029540 >>2029530 isn't the upper body more of an inverted trapezoid? and the common consensus is draw bags of flour, which covers both upper and lower torsos. look at pictures of bags of flour bending and folding and you will get what i mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:37:38 2015 No.2029541 >>2029530 Yes, you should draw full ellipses, not just the visible part.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:38:55 2015 No.2029546

>>2029535
Link seems broken, or perhaps I'm doing something wrong.

>>2029537
I am in a figure drawing class. Not much help has been offered here, actually. Some people have came in and voiced in their 2 cents, but that's about it. And upon using their methods, they also disagree on that as well.

I've seen some really useful help here from time to time, so I'm hoping someone can actually help me out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:40:12 2015 No.2029553 >>2029546 Then ask your teacher what construction is maybe? ask him/her do do a live drawing demo so you can see what they do in person jeez. Use the resources you have before coming here and being so stubborn

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:40:40 2015 No.2029556 File: 49 KB, 331x331, pls respond.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029491 It won't let me. I want all my separate layers back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:41:15 2015 No.2029559 >>2029546 construction is part of figure 101 and its hard to believe your teacher didn't mention it in some way

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:41:27 2015 No.2029561 >>2029556 Use automatic backups next time

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:42:00 2015 No.2029562 >>2029556 Then your fucked, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:42:31 2015 No.2029564 >>2029546 imagine flies or energy buzzing all around the figure, not just ants marching along the outline.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:42:31 2015 No.2029565

>>2029553
I have, and I was asked to be more specific on what I was asking. I didn't know how to answer that since I'm not sure what everyone here is talking about when it comes to "construction".

That's cool to hear you guys know what construction is, but no one here is providing any insight as to what construction actually is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:43:56 2015 No.2029568 File: 329 KB, 1200x1600, Study9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried SAI, it kinda feels like traditional painting I fucking hate traditional painting Any tips before i move further?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:45:13 2015 No.2029571 >>2029568 ayy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:45:38 2015 No.2029573 >>2029556 ctrl shift z? have you googled it? when did you last save?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:46:13 2015 No.2029574 >>2029568 lmao

>>	foxdit Mon Mar 23 17:46:13 2015 No.2029575 File: 380 KB, 717x704, glownose.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Still trying to gain some finesse with blending charcoal

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:47:24 2015 No.2029579
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>>2029565
As I said, it's breaking down the subject into basic shapes. It's a fairly simple

>>2029556
Photoshop does require that you use ctrl+alt+z if you want to go further back than your previous action.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:48:39 2015 No.2029583 File: 561 KB, 2098x2821, 2-minute-gesture-july-2011-7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029546 >>2029564 See the difference between this and your figure?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:03:31 2015 No.2029613 >>2029540 >isn't the upper body more of an inverted trapezoid? When you include the muscles, sure, but the rib cage is nothing like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:16:07 2015 No.2029639 >>2029579 >As I said, it's breaking down the subject into basic shapes Oh, I was told Not to draw body parts as shapes. Should I draw body parts as shapes? Sorry the confusion, but I was being told two different things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:34:47 2015 No.2029658 >>2029639 Breaking something down into important shapes is essential in understand to understanding how to draw pretty much anything. Not sure why someone would discourage that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:38:44 2015 No.2029665 File: 29 KB, 500x445, 1426030886294.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029571 >>2029574 thanks that was very helpful

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:43:51 2015 No.2029670 File: 34 KB, 500x372, explain.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2029658

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 19:16:38 2015 No.2029718
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Is there a guide or something on how do I render? I think I grasped proportions and such, but I can't get myself to properly finish a drawing since I know every rendering/coloring attempt will result in pic related.
I use the default Sketchbook pro coloring brush and the airbrush to merge colors, but the result is borderline hilarious.
Any tip appreciated

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 19:32:06 2015 No.2029735
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>>2029658

This guy has to be a troll, we've given him enough and he still isn't seeing the right information when he tries to illustrate his figures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 19:55:04 2015 No.2029775 >>2029665 loomis. or rather relearn facial proportions please

>>	foxdit Mon Mar 23 19:55:27 2015 No.2029776 File: 389 KB, 899x655, snowqueen_smaller.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 1hr charcoal ... a snow queen thingie. Today's been charcoal-town for me!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 20:54:27 2015 No.2029848 File: 133 KB, 479x626, ludwig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it was so much better some minutes ago but now i just fucked up the skin. i have a hard time getting good with the tablet though

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:51:22 2015 No.2030081 New thread?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 04:40:28 2015 No.2030220 >>2029349 Too much wasted paper for such a practice. Fill that shit up. Also try to true up your lines.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 06:39:48 2015 No.2030266 File: 860 KB, 4160x2340, IMG-20150322-WA0028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Crit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 06:54:00 2015 No.2030273 >>2030266 >panties ayy lmao get a load of this fuccboi

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 07:20:27 2015 No.2030280 >>2030273 ??

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 07:44:00 2015 No.2030293 someone make new thread?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 13:20:48 2015 No.2030549 NEW THREAD >>2030548 >>2030548 >>2030548

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 21:41:55 2015 No.2032487 >>2029300 notice cig ash.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 26 22:11:16 2015 No.2033760 File: 2.51 MB, 4160x2340, loomis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Critique and improvement suggestions welcome.

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