Beginner Thread #477

[Anonymous No.2015418]

As usual:
>Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

(dont forget to resize+jpg before posting 4mb pngs)

OLD THREAD: >>2008945

[Anonymous No.2015426]

what's the best book about figure drawing out there, I've studied vilppu for about 7 months, I need something different. i'd google it, but i'd like to hear your opinion. pic some of what i did today.

[Anonymous No.2015429]

>>2015426
if you feel like your ready for anatomy, Bridgman is really great. If you want more of the same basic stuff, I'd go for Loomis

[Anonymous No.2015434]

dumping
no ref torsos

[Anonymous No.2015435]

10 minute figure

[Anonymous No.2015436]

2 min figures
crit please

[Anonymous No.2015438]

>>2015162
What's wrong with the scan? Is it not showing the entire exercise?

[Anonymous No.2015539]

tried water watered-down acrylic paint over pencil sketch

[Anonymous No.2015593]

>>2015539
>lined paper
You can't be serious

[Anonymous No.2015598]

>>2015418

[Anonymous No.2015600]

>>2015598

[Anonymous No.2015602]

>>2015600

[Anonymous No.2015606]

>>2015598
>>2015600
>>2015602
These are nice--good drawing skills and decent composition. Shame you have no idea how to use value or colour or how light works.

[Anonymous No.2015610]

>>2015606

Do you have any material I could look at? What do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.2015616]

I really like the traditional piece >>2015598
(life study, right?) and for the foliage in >>2015600, you should really stop from drawing literally every leaf. Simplify shapes.

And >>2015606 is right. Can't really recommend any books, but for values, converting to greyscale helps a ton. Good luck, man

[Anonymous No.2015654]

>>2015593
i'm not serious about anything i do
does it bother you?

[Anonymous No.2015670]

Got some trouble with drawing on my tablet. When I'm drawing I'm using my wrist mostly. I need to be extra concious about locking my wrist to draw normally and that's just too much of a pain in the ass if you ask me. Fuck Peter Han, 90 degrees seems not natural to me. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong. My handwritting was always terrible. Any examples? Shit's confusing.

[Anonymous No.2015692]

>>2015670
i hold mine at like 80 degrees

it's really for the best when you are doing pressure-sensitive stuff to stay perpendicular

you should try tilting your pad to bridge the gap a little

[Anonymous No.2015705]

I was told I shouldn't draw with my wrist but not why. Can someone give me an explanation?

Also, how to into 'not using your wrist'.

[Anonymous No.2015720]

Little experiment. Everyday I will try to improve fingers only accuracy by drawing hardest shit on tablet - horizontal lines.

[Anonymous No.2015738]

>>2015705
carpal tunnel. draw from your shoulder and elbow. basically, if you're not constantly "sweeping" across your surface with your elbow and shoulder, you're doing it with your wrist.

>>2015720
it looks like you're drawing those really slowly.

[Anonymous No.2015780]

>>2015738
>4906x3456
25% zoom without hand tool. I trying to evade any wrist movement

[Anonymous No.2015825]

>>2015738
>carpal tunnel

that sounds horrifying.

[Anonymous No.2015894]

>>2015825
Don't scare. It's just boogeyman. No one cares about carpal tunnel syndrome in world.

[Anonymous No.2015911]

>>2015434
>>2015435
>>2015436
I actually like the no ref torsos the most, good job. You're well established in figure drawing, so try and take your rendering to the next level with paints or a range of pencils - learning more advanced anatomy will also bring your drawings on a lot

[Anonymous No.2015912]

>>2015894
>It's just boogeyman

[Anonymous No.2015913]

>>2015894
I had carpal tunnel bad and couldn't draw for 10 months.

[Anonymous No.2015915]

>>2015913
Stop jacking off so much.

[Anonymous No.2015921]

First proper attempt of painting in colour, Ruan Jia study
Advice?

[Anonymous No.2015924]

>>2015913
good thing i haven't drawn for 10 months
I might have sentenced myself to severe carpal tunnel!

[Anonymous No.2015925]

>>2015921
Study from real life. Even if its not comfortable, start with photographs, better to be a son of Nature and visual life than a grandson.

[Anonymous No.2015930]

>>2015921
Do you have a reference? Shadows look muddy.

[Anonymous No.2015933]

>>2015930

[Anonymous No.2015943]

>>2015933
That's easy, for shadows go counterclock-wise on the color wheel, for highlights is the opposite, and keep some saturation.
Your reference also borrows a lot of lighting from its surroundings.

[Anonymous No.2015951]

>>2015943
excellent, thank you very much

[Anonymous No.2015968]

>>2015921
Colors are alright for a first painting.
You cropped it a bitt too much, the values aren't contrasting enough. Needs harder edges and clear planes, Especially for the hair. You could spend an hour to make some adjustments and you'll get a nice painting.

[Anonymous No.2015987]

Could anybody please post some links for decent livestreams/direct me towards artists that try to inform in their streams?

Many thanks.

[Anonymous No.2016055]

>>2015418
hm

[Anonymous No.2016078]

>>2016055
breasts are off, but you probably knew that. Just draw the hands, even if they're bad.

[Anonymous No.2016148]

From the previous thread, I'm not sure what to do for the right side of this exercises. I can do the left side no problem, but the right side never comes out correctly.

How do you do the right side correctly?

[Anonymous No.2016203]

Hello, I'm a beginner.
I've been doodling since childhood, but never really got into art. Although I always wanted to learn art, I couldn't take classes for art for many reasons.
Now that I'm bit older and have more free time to spend, I started learning art about a month and a half ago.
However it's really hard to decide what I'm suppose to study/practice next since I have no teacher.

Can someone give me some sort of homework of to do list for this week so I can do them as if I'm in art class? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2016220]

>>2016203
Well we need to know the level you're at.
Draw a Cube, Pyramid, and Circle. Show depth like shadow and what not and post results.

[Anonymous No.2016288]

What are the best ways to determined proportion on how wide a body should be? When I gesture draw, I feel like I'm making my model too wide.

[Anonymous No.2016330]

>>2016220
I haven't drawn something like this before.
Thank you very much for helping me out.

[Anonymous No.2016331]

>>2016330
Not bad. Several things are off such as perspective points and lighting contrasts but you seem to be heading in the right direction.

Try to get a stronger idea of Perspective.
Read up perspective made easy by ernest norling. Next, get How to Draw by Scott Robertson and Successful Drawing by Loomis.

Read up and practice. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.2016446]

reposting from previous thread my arm studies

[Anonymous No.2016738]

>>2016331
Perspective Made Easy by Ernest Norling is blowing my mind really hard right now, thanks for recommending such great book, based anon!

[Anonymous No.2016770]

>>2015436
>>2015435
>>2015434
bump for more opinions

[Anonymous No.2016776]

>>2016331
there's also Vandruff series on perspective, very easy to follow and the dude is a great teacher

[Anonymous No.2016921]

I'm reading betty and getting reasonably good at drawing references. I'm far from perfect, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.

I was wondering, since I still fuck up references semi-regularly, should I start on Loomis and whatnot?

Pic related. Drew this 2 days ago from reference.

[Anonymous No.2016954]

I'm trying to stop symbol drawing, so I drew kitties. I feel like its easy to slip back into symbol drawing if I draw people.

[Anonymous No.2016983]

Are my blooks ok? The ones on the left are more or less a copy while those on the right were out of my head.

Also, regarding Betty Edwards, is it ok to skip all the pseudo-science and get right into the exercises?

[Anonymous No.2017070]

[Anonymous No.2017091]

How is this looking?

[Anonymous No.2017107]

>>2017091
Needs more gesture.

[Anonymous No.2017118]

struggling with her feel (specially the one that is not drawn)
anyone can redline or give me any tips?

[Anonymous No.2017146]

FINALLY the candle has been lit in my head. I can see rapid acceleration in my progress from here on out. Thank you for showing me the light the man who I won't mention. I'm so pumped now.

[Anonymous No.2017147]

>>2017118
feet*

[Anonymous No.2017158]

>>2017118
Don't know about the feet, but the throne is falling to your right
Pretty cool style. To be honest it's my favorite kind of pose: the powerful figure sat on a throne watching with contempt the filthy pleb lol

[Anonymous No.2017175]

Literal absolute beginner here, started a week ago. What should I work on first, copying from observation until I can place lines accurately so copying drawings and doing tutorials, etc, or learning construction and building drawings from imagination?

I only want to do one for my first my month because of autism. Help me /ic/? So far what I'm doing is copying drawings upside down and drawing from tutorial books (start with a circle, add on, etc) and then writing notes on everything I see wrong with the drawing and scheduling a redraw for two weeks to gauge improvements. Does this sound helpful?

[Anonymous No.2017180]

>>2017175
Just practice. Eventually you'll get a feel for it, and when you do, keep trying new techniques until you improve.

[Anonymous No.2017181]

>>2017180

Well but is one method vastly superior to the other? I feel like I can already produce an OKAY line drawing if I spend like five hours on it.

[Anonymous No.2017195]

>>2016148
I'm this anon.

Wondering if I got this right so far?

[Anonymous No.2017200]

>>2017175
The most important thing for any beginner artist is getting a feeling for the space the things you are drawing occupy. I'd say you should do perspective drawing and figuredrawing in tandem for a bit. Don't let drawing turn into a chore though. If you feel like drawing something, do it. Just remember to think about what you are doing, and try to spot and correct mistakes.

>>2017181
ou might be able to get proportions to look okay, but that by itself won't make it appealing. Also, don't bother spending 5 hours on a line drawing for now. You'll benefit much more from doing a bunch of 20 minute drawings of the same object from different perspectives.

[Anonymous No.2017426]

>>2016954
Do you have a kneaded eraser?

Make weird shapes out of that and draw it.
It's a good practice for getting rid of symbols

[Anonymous No.2017690]

>>2016983
aww yea, been there anon. droped fun with pencil after like 2 days

[Anonymous No.2017724]

>>2017195
I don't think you were trying to copy your reference so I won't assume that but your perspective looks a bit warped. Either the right side of the black box isn't angled enough or the left side is too angled. I'm not an expert, it just looks kind of fucky.

[Anonymous No.2017728]

>>2017091
It looks stiff and the left foot doesn't look like it's meeting the ground. Try blocking out the feet in perspective.

[Anonymous No.2017869]

how can you not kill yoursel when you flip your work horizontaly?

>oh wow, this is looking pretty good! im finally doing better
>lets flip it just to make sure...
>OH GOD WHYYYY?? PLEASE KILL MEEEE
>i was so foolish to think that i could make something decent. just once.. please...

[Anonymous No.2017886]

>>2017869

Mistakes happen. Quit being a bitch. Learn from it.

[Anonymous No.2017923]

Took this a bit ago. Started looking through some loomis and figure stuff a few days ago. Aready seeing improvement. My question is how do i get the form to look more natural. Especially like when going from structure lines to aesthetic ones.

[Anonymous No.2017936]

>>2016148

Are you having trouble making the titlted plane? Or are you just having trouble following the instructions after doing so? They're pretty clear. I've seen some people online have trouble making the tilted plane, but everything after that is pretty clear.

[Anonymous No.2017941]

>>2016921

Not a great drawer or anything, but if I were you id just study from a couple of books (like loomis) alongside drawing from references in whatever way I like. The former will help your fundamentals, the latter probably won't hurt because you'll be building your muscle memory and intuition for things. But alone, the latter may never bring you up to the next level. It seems like a lot of people who just dive straight into doing references all day hit a wall or never get past a certain point, while the ones who study from all the books and do all the exercises eventually end up getting pretty good.

[Anonymous No.2017945]

>>2017195

You're doing a wonky 3 point perspective which is unnecessary. Your verticals don't need to connect to a vanishing point like that. The way they make the tilted plane in the book is by making their mirrored plane first, and then creating two squares coming off of it and connecting the dots. I can probably do a photoshop thing in a second illustrating.

[Anonymous No.2017954]

>>2017690
I'll admit, the book is a little primitive in terms of style but should I continue Fun with a Pencil? Or are there better books to begin with?

[Anonymous No.2017963]

>>2017195
>>2017945

I'm shit with photoshop, just draw, so forgive me if this looks like crap, but I hope it illustrates what I mean. The points aren't even meeting the lines that well, but you see how I'm still just using two point perspective to make the plane? Those verticals are just a product of connecting the dots on two planes coming off of the mirror plane. I tried to crudely make sure you know which one is the mirrored plane by scribbling on it.

[Anonymous No.2017968]

What's the best book to start off drawing with?

[Anonymous No.2017972]

>>2017869
By accepting that you most likely won't get it right the first time. Don't get too attached to your work because often there is room for improvement.

>I actually look forward to flipping my work
>I get concerned when I don't see anything wrong

[Anonymous No.2017976]

gonna be fixing anatomy for a while
not an expert by any means but i hope i can help so send your drawings my way

[Anonymous No.2017984]

>>2017976
Since you're here, what's your opinion of Fun With A Pencil?

[Anonymous No.2017990]

>>2017984
like any stylized technique it should only be pursued after you have a basic knowledge of realistic anatomy, lighting, composition and values, not as a first step... unless you're a kid.

[Anonymous No.2017992]

>>2017984

Successful Drawing is a bit more rigorous. it focuses a lot on perspective and proportion.

[Anonymous No.2017997]

>>2017990
>>2017992
So, as a first step, would Successful Drawing be more appropriate?

[Anonymous No.2018000]

>>2017997

Probably, but I've gotta admit, I never finished Fun with a Pencil. I hardly got past the cartoon heads. I just felt like I wasn't reading the right book.

If you want to sink a lot of time in it, I'd simultaneously draw from life or reference in whatever way I want (just to change things up, be it comics or people or houshold objects), and study a couple of books at the same time. They all cover a lot of the same stuff, but from different angles and to different degrees. I'd check out Successful Drawing, Perpsective Made Easy, maybe How to Draw and some figure drawing book. Check out the art stylization thread. There is a link to a bunch of book files.

[Anonymous No.2018005]

>>2017997
as a first step get a still life and draw what you see
let your eyes go back and forth from the page to the subject and just keep moving that pencil, start training your eye now and then move to the more technical stuff... loomis.

[Anonymous No.2018011]

>>2018000
Yeah, the style is a little gimmicky and I got tired of it pretty fast.

Sounds like a plan. Thanks for the help, anon. I've been needing this question answered.

>>2018005
I've done a few of those and I think my main problems are angles and the length of things. If I'm drawing something like a vase, the two sides aren't very symmetrical. And I get pretty down on myself for this but I'm guessing lots of practice should fix it.

[Anonymous No.2018020]

>>2018011
Measure with your eyes, this is a technique that really helps get proportions right, for example:
>the top of the vase is roughly 1/5 of the total width of the vase

[Anonymous No.2018023]

>>2018020
Aaah. It seems almost obvious to do comparisons but I've never actually thought of that. Thanks for the help, anon.

[Anonymous No.2018028]

>>2018023
that's why your supposed to read fucking drawing with the right side of the brain, but kids be too cool for 'psuedoscience' these days, fuck y'all.

[Anonymous No.2018403]

>>2015780

[Anonymous No.2018482]

Something I doodled for a friend. What should I look to improve besides the obvious lack of hands?

[Anonymous No.2018617]

>>2018482
Pose looks very stiff, hips should be wider but I'd say look at some reference.

[Anonymous No.2018638]

I have feeling of wasted time. I can't draw gesture shit. It's just impossible to draw complete figure from spaghetti man. "No counters", "feel the flow", "rhythm"...how I supposed to find "flow" in stiff pose? Smoke weed?

[Anonymous No.2018641]

>>2018638
Those look pretty good, why don't you take any of those further?

[Anonymous No.2018653]

>>2018641
Because they don't look like Vilppu gestures.

[Anonymous No.2018657]

>>2018653
You don't need to be a mini vilppu. Vilppu has been drawing for more than 50+ years.

[Anonymous No.2018659]

>>2018653
Those are very idealistic poses, is that what you're going for?

[Anonymous No.2018699]

>>2018638

I agree, never liked how everybody describes gesture as "flow" "rhythm" "just smoke some weed and draw curves man". All I gather is that it is basically some rough guidelines for a form that look dynamic, and they usually read when done well.

[Anonymous No.2018707]

For those of you who use Paint Tool SAI, how the fuck do you make trees? I've went through several brushes and they all look nice and all, but they don't appear to be actual trees.

Pic related for example.

I blurred one side to try and see if that would help it all blend together better, but the edges are still lifeless as you see no actual leaves and the non-blurred side is just too specific of a type of painting devoid of what else I want to do with it.

Grabbed this off google http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/109/9/b/sai_leaf_and_bark_brushes_by_rainbowsprinkles12-d7f67hn.png, I see shit like this all the time. I don't see how to do it even though I've looked at countless brush settings and stroke techniques, I just can't replicated it using the tools on SAI compared to actual painting techniques on a canvas.

Sometimes I can get them to look half ass right but it ends up just looking light a cloud or fog too much as opposed to a tree.

Any advice is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2018708]

>>2018707
And I completely forgot the fucking picture, fuck me, pic related.

[Anonymous No.2018723]

>>2018708
Download your own textures and brushes, then set the colors with the brush settings on:
>low blending
>low dilution
>high persistence

Then when you're ready to blend turn them to:
>high blending
>high dilution
>low persistence

the rest is about technique

[Anonymous No.2018730]

>>2018723
Thanks, I'll give this a try, I've never been that good at painting trees or clouds and stuff by hand without using a sponge or the like, appreciate the help.

[Anonymous No.2018849]

Did a quick sphere this morning.

[Anonymous No.2019214]

>>2018849
it sure is a sphere

[Anonymous No.2019220]

>>2018849

do other shapes and post.

[Anonymous No.2019251]

>>2019220
Cube?

[Anonymous No.2019253]

>>2019251
not a cube

[Anonymous No.2019258]

>>2019253
Okay then a box.

[Anonymous No.2019269]

>>2019258
*cuboid

[Anonymous No.2019292]

>>2019269

Don't stop at two, do a whole page of shapes, overlay shadows on each other, combine shapes, etc.

[Anonymous No.2019298]

>>2019292
Why?

[Anonymous No.2019321]

>>2019298

it's good practice for rendering.

[Anonymous No.2019336]

Hi I just drew a character (from my imagination) inspired by the movie Akira, in terms of clothing. I tried to use facial and upper body guidelines to at least give the drawing some structural feel to it. How did I do?

[Anonymous No.2019347]

>>2019321
mate, where do you get dese refs?

[Anonymous No.2019350]

The breasts are lopsided and the arms need to be redone, but it's getting there. Anyone notice anything glaringly wrong with the proportions or general shapes?

[Anonymous No.2019400]

how am I doing?

[Anonymous No.2019412]

>>2019400
head shape should be a little thinner and the arms should have more curves. I would recommend against coloring before you've gotten figure down pat

[Anonymous No.2019420]

>>2019412
I don't want to eventually get good at figures and then have nothing but good line art and lame colors cause learning separately is silly.

[Anonymous No.2019435]

>>2019420
Don't bite off more than you can chew. If you think you can take on learning both at the same time, go for it, but it's a big task, and you're going to *need* the tools that drawing gives you (shading) if you want to color properly.

[Anonymous No.2019555]

>>2019435
I just want to learn how to blend better...

[Anonymous No.2019559]

>>2019555
Scan your line art and do your coloring digitally. Blending with colored pencils is no easy task.

[Anonymous No.2019568]

>>2019555
Flipped your image. Notice anything weird?

[Anonymous No.2019613]

Criticize please.

[Anonymous No.2019614]

I have quite literally no idea how to draw and have no idea where to start, but I'd like to.
Did this on my Note 3, this is about as good as I can currently draw with no prior experience. Where do I go from here?

[Anonymous No.2019616]

>>2019614
Oh shit I just realized the sticky has info on it. My apologies.

[Anonymous No.2019617]

>>2019613
That mask is fuckin' weird mate, but i like it.

what's the protrusion coming out the back of her head? Also, the face looks shifted forward too much, like it's painted on the mask.

[Anonymous No.2019618]

>>2019614
Draw naked people first, then do clothes. Also, don't bother with color yet.

[Anonymous No.2019649]

>>2019617
Some life support stuff, i just want to make it more weird. And, i can't get it, but painting looks empty, maybe something with background gone wrong.

[Anonymous No.2019652]

posted in monster girl thread. looking for c&c to affirm what i think is wrong or to bring up issues I'm missing

[Anonymous No.2019654]

>>2019649
well it has no midground so it's bound to look a bit empty

[Anonymous No.2019657]

>>2019400
her breasts are way too far down. remember, study proper anatomy before stretching proportions. it's one of the keys to stylization

[Anonymous No.2019661]

>>2019652
put some definition/color change to differentiate her cheeks and ears or it'll look like the ears are growing out of her cheekbones

[Anonymous No.2019668]

>>2019652
Ears shouldn't connect to the cheekbones.

[Anonymous No.2019671]

>>2017923
well, usually, when someone is holding a sythe or any pole like thing like that, while resting, their arms usually hang over, not just their hands, because it makes the wrists look broken. the legs are lacking in proportion as well, study humans and how they sit and interact in every day life, it makes your drawings more realistic in the sense where you realize that someone would or would not sit a certain way

[Anonymous No.2019674]

>>2019668
fuck me that's a shamefully stupid mistake on my part. I should know better too

[Anonymous No.2019681]

>>2019652
Pillow shading.

[Anonymous No.2019690]

>>2019681
thanks, I didn't even notice till now
>>2019661
>>2019668
fixed and more work done. i think the tone is too bright but i think its at the level where I feel better about it. id still like more c&c if anyone feels like it

[Anonymous No.2019692]

>>2019350
Not enough difference from waist to hips

[Anonymous No.2019695]

>>2019690
shit wrong file. sorry guys

[Anonymous No.2019718]

drew some objects i found on a table

[Anonymous No.2019721]

>>2019718
your hand seems very shakey and your lines seem unsure, as you chicken scratched most. things like that come with experience and bravery. keep at it

[Anonymous No.2019749]

>>2019718

You have a fire hydrant on your table... have you ever considered that this might be a bit unusuall?

[Anonymous No.2019786]

>>2019613
dman looks nice

[Anonymous No.2019809]

Still can't into watercolor (pencils this time!)

:(

[Anonymous No.2019884]

I keep getting to this point in paintings where ive done my blocking in, but I stagnate because I keep jumping between refining parts, and then blocking in over them again. Any help on getting past this stage?

[Anonymous No.2019888]

>>2019809
Very cute, the bast drawing is really nice, but to improve I'd recommend making everything a bit more saturated, and learn a bit of colour theory to avoid those drab looking shadows, it brings a bit of the life out of the picture

Also remember to rotate and scale the picture down next time

[Anonymous No.2019897]

>>2019884
You should focus on your main object and forget about the background while your working on it.

The head is a little strange, like his chin is too small and his eyes are too low.

Avoid using white for your high lights since the sun is illuminating him, not a "white source" o light. I'd suggest you to use yellow and orange colors on his coat for this.

[Anonymous No.2019949]

>>2019897
Thank you very much, ive tried taking your advice in to account and I feel this is a bit of an improvement

[Anonymous No.2020027]

>>2019568
she's really un even, but even when I look at the original, she looks pretty un even. That and when it's flipped the light source doesn't make sense anymore.
Anything else I missed?

[Anonymous No.2020030]

>>2019559
Well, I just started using colored pencils. I've been doing line art for years now. I started shading with just a pencil awhile ago as well.
I don't want to get into digital stuff until I'm better at traditional. There has to be a starting point, you know?
It's my first time using Prisma, of course I'm not gonna be good at it.

[Anonymous No.2020040]

>Vilpplu's "form > anatomy"
Oh god this shit is really hard.

[Anonymous No.2020044]

My mind is breaking

[Anonymous No.2020047]

I tried drawing some figures without using any reference. Can someone point out any mistakes that I have made? Advice would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2020053]

>>2020047
Sycra has an extremely good video on drawing shoulders that also covers measuring the ribcage properly, I would recommend watching it.

Bottom left has no neck, top and bottom right's pecs are too high.

[Anonymous No.2020077]

Okay so this like, my second digital painting ever. I don't think it's worth a critique, but some pointers might be useful.

[Anonymous No.2020078]

>>2020077
postin' reference

[Anonymous No.2020088]

>>2020047
don't be afraid of dicks

[Anonymous No.2020090]

>>2020077
Not bad for a second attempt. I suggest trying to be aware of the ugly overlaps that happen when you do transparent strokes over each other. They looks bad and create muddy values and forms. That's why people say you should paint opaquely. Alternatively taking a soft brush or the smudge tool over some of those areas to blend them out could work.

[Anonymous No.2020093]

What do you think

[Anonymous No.2020133]

give it to me straight doc

[Anonymous No.2020138]

>>2020133
Bad perspective, lack of definition and irregular lighting. Also, use a harder brush.

[Anonymous No.2020145]

>>2020093
I like the concept but the faces don't seem like they belong to the same body, which I assume was you idea, it feels more like the face in profile is behind the other face.
Also the background is a bit muddy and doesn't seem to be coherent.

I really like where it's going though, so keep at it.

[Anonymous No.2020163]

>>2020133
sample photo for colors, if you can not pick them yourself (which you can not)

[Anonymous No.2020169]

>>2020090
>paint opaquely
but then how do i mix colors?
thanks anyway

[Anonymous No.2020176]

>>2020169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_I6Zj6vQi4

[Anonymous No.2020177]

>>2020163
>sample photo for colors
Right, why don't you tell him to trace or just add a filter to the photo while you're at it?

[Anonymous No.2020189]

>>2020176
but that's exactly what i do, except I'm using hard round brush from ctrlpaint starter pack
or you mean I should disable pressure insensitivity for transparency?

[Anonymous No.2020209]

>>2020189
Yes, make the brush fully opaque.

[Anonymous No.2020219]

>>2020209
>opaque
I don't think it means what you think it means
What you're talking about is the density, the denser the more color it delivers.

[Anonymous No.2020235]

>>2019888
Probably should have used different colors for the shadows, you're right.

When I looked at it it was rotated, I don't know why this happens.

[Anonymous No.2020239]

>>2020219
Opaque as in not transparent. Solid. Like drywall, not glass.

[Anonymous No.2020262]

>>2020209
will do, now i wonder what do i even have those 2048 levels of pressure for

[Anonymous No.2020268]

>>2020262
Brush width and some instances of rendering.

[Anonymous No.2020269]

>>2020239
Oh okay, I thought you meant opaque as in lack of saturation.

[Anonymous No.2020337]

>>2020268
got it, thanks
also posting another one from yesterday, gotta finish my shit so i can try new settings

[Anonymous No.2020365]

Oh god, just kill me already. I still can't see things as simple forms.

[Anonymous No.2020371]

>>2020365
Look at low-poly model wireframes for a sense of how to do it.

[Anonymous No.2020373]

>>2020209
but solid brush doesent mix the colors

[Anonymous No.2020381]

>>2020373
Lower your hardness.

[Anonymous No.2020389]

>>2020381
oh, so much for the informative pic with hard ass brush

[Anonymous No.2020393]

>>2020389
Eat shit.

[Anonymous No.2020398]

>>2020393
good way to win an argument

[Anonymous No.2020403]

>>2020398
Yeah, I thought so.

[Anonymous No.2020420]

Any good tutorials out there explaining how to draw the head onto the shoulders from any angle?

[Anonymous No.2020438]

>>2020133
Its shit. Reminds me of the first digital drawings I did. You'll get better if you keep at it.

[S !NnUuRoP4mU No.2020446]

How do I into oils better?

Maybe I should tackle still life before portraiture.

[Anonymous No.2020449]

>>2020420
Sycra has a video on shoulders that includes a section on drawing the Trapezius, if that's what you mean. Necks really aren't all that complicated.

[Anonymous No.2020454]

I feel like I understand anatomy and construction a decent amount, but I can never draw quite as well as I see, largely due to less than ideal draftsmanship and construction. What are some good practice exercises for being able to draw simple 3D shapes with clean lines? I know practice, practice, practice which I'm certainly willing to invest the time to do, but I want to make sure I'm practicing correctly so as to actually get something out of it.

[Anonymous No.2020457]

>>2020446
Did you make that? The palette's really good.

[Anonymous No.2020458]

>>2020454
Use a mechanical pencil and make use of vanishing points for proper perspective.

[Anonymous No.2020460]

Where am I going wrong?

[Anonymous No.2020469]

>>2020460
Facial proportions, particularly the eyes are too far apart, the bridge of the nose is too wide, and the left (our perspective) nostril is too big. The edges of the lips could be expanded to reach the middle of the cornea horizontally.


Also, natalie dormer is shit.

[Anonymous No.2020475]

how do I git gud at lineart? every sketch I make is messy, and the linework is either equally messy or uneven and stiff.

it's impossible to color, and all lighting is lost as the focus is on the solid lines.

[Anonymous No.2020478]

>>2020460

Reference image for comparison

[Anonymous No.2020479]

>>2020449
I never looked into it, I just notice when I attach my head onto a shoulder, it looks off and I'm unsure how to make it look right. Never heard of Sycra, but I'll see if I can locate this specific video you mentioned.

[Anonymous No.2020482]

>>2020475
Use thinner lines for the sketch, then go over it with broader, more confident lines. Remember, outlines aren't just bolder sketches, they're cleanly placed.

[Anonymous No.2020485]

>>2020475
Digital linework is really tough. That being said, you will have an easier time if you use a brush that doesn't vary its width so much with pressure, and if you slow down and try to get things in longer cleaner lines rather than quickly dashing a few lines on the same spot.

Best way to get good at lines though is to do it on paper with a pen.

[Anonymous No.2020503]

>>2020475
Only make one line, not several tiny ones. That is called chicken scratching

[S !NnUuRoP4mU No.2020511]

>>2020457
No, I didn't. I fixed it up from this, it's still not like the ref but I feel it's much closer now.

[Anonymous No.2020592]

Any tips on ways to drawing breasts?

[Anonymous No.2020597]

>>2020371

hd texture maps man.

[Anonymous No.2020609]

>>2020592
Try to replicate its muscle anatomy on regular breasts, then do that same thing, but mentally, when drawing them.

[Anonymous No.2020620]

>>2020609
Yea, I can see the anatomy of the breasts quiet well. I find it easier to draw woman with their arms up since it shows the muscles a lot more clearly.

My issue is getting the shape of the breasts and how to place them properly on any angle of the chest.

[Anonymous No.2020626]

I really hate what I've done with the hairs and the nose bridge is way too big.
thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2020628]

>>2020626
ref

[Anonymous No.2020646]

>>2017118
legs do not bend like that. the leg that is under, you drew that far too much from the side. also the arm she's resting her head on is far too long.

>>2018482
chin is too sharp and the collarbone doesn't work like that

>>2020047
bottom left one has horribly long arm, why you do dis

>>2020446
NEVER shade with black EVER. that is going to give you so many problems. don't be afraid to mix colours together, find different hues of colours, that will make your paintings less dull. but be aware that adding too much white also can be difficult when mixing the colours.
another thing, fully cover the whole canvas/board in solid colour before you start, white is terrible to work on + it will give you a nice yet very slightly visible undertone.

>>2020478
1. draw from real life first, not photo ref. when you draw from real life, you can walk around the object and see it as it is in space. draw self portraits from the mirror if you can't find someone to pose, even then you can turn your head and touch your own face to feel the shapes and forms.

[S !NnUuRoP4mU No.2020668]

>>2020646
>NEVER shade with black EVER. that is going to give you so many problems.
...but I didn't, and black is acceptable in certain occasions, the important part is to know how colours interact.

>another thing, fully cover the whole canvas/board in solid colour before you start, white is terrible to work on + it will give you a nice yet very slightly visible undertone.
That is a good tip but I work in layers so what I start on is largely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.2020683]

jumping from traditional to digital, following Michael Hampton's Analytical figure lectures & Book Would appreciate CC

[Anonymous No.2020684]

>>2020683
same person

[Anonymous No.2020733]

>>2020449
>>2020420

By the way, any good beginner anatomy books I should look into? How is human anatomy for artists by eliot goldfinger?

[Anonymous No.2020763]

I don't usually paint my sketches because
>pic related

but I just couldn't leave the Pikmin colorless, they're too cute.
But now it looks awful. I did it with prisma-colors, I just want to know if there's an actual way of getting a nice result or should I just go full digital?

[Anonymous No.2020766]

>>2020684
What the hell, look at the guys mouth and jaw!
were you even looking at the reference dude?!
you went full symbol drawing there


>now on to my own problem

I don't usually paint my sketches because
>pic related

but I just couldn't leave the Pikmin colorless, they're too cute.
But now it looks awful. I did it with prisma-colors, I just want to know if there's an actual way of getting a nice result or should I just go full digital?

[Anonymous No.2020922]

Learning how to into eyes. I'm pretty pleased.

[Anonymous No.2020926]

>>2020922
Forgot the golden rule, and did you just copied and paste one eye/eyebrow? I hope not.

Other than that, yeah, they're looking good, I like the shape. Could use some more eyelashes though.

[Anonymous No.2021218]

i know i need to fix the left cheek but how does the face construction look so far?

[Anonymous No.2021297]

>>2021218
here's a better pic. i think it's coming along a lot better now. thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2021298]

>>2021218
>>2021297
durrps

[Anonymous No.2021443]

Any feedback, brehs?

[Anonymous No.2021445]

Any feedback, brehs? Started just two weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.2021526]

>>2020592

[Anonymous No.2021547]

Give it to me straight /ic/

http://rcrkar17.deviantart.com/art/Thumbnail-Paintings-3-14-15-520316151

[Anonymous No.2021604]

>>2021445
Face proportions are way off.
The average width of the nose is one eye, and the average width of the mouth is two eyes, look at reference then measure with your mind.
Also don't outline, do a light sketch then place your values.

[Anonymous No.2021638]

COLORS! How do they work? :(

When I do paintings in greyscale, whether from reference or not, they turn out pretty swell. I've been focusing on values a lot and it's really improved my work. However, when I try to do the same thing but I start with colors, it all goes to shit.

Blocking in the shapes/comp with color works out fine most of the time, but as soon as I start blending/refining/rendering, I lose values/shapes and the colors become muddy and ugly. Any tips for working with color?

[Anonymous No.2021648]

>>2021638
Follow these two simple rules (on top of studies, not as a base:
>Shadows:
Go counter-clockwise on the color wheel, if you have a very light yellow-orange as your base then you'll want to make the lightest shadows an orange-red, and the darkest an almost magenta color.
>Highlights:
Same as shadows but work clockwise.

Keep the saturation, but lower the brightness as you get to the darkest shadows.

[Anonymous No.2021650]

>>2021604
What do you mean by outline? As in the facial shape and whatnot?

[Anonymous No.2021667]

>>2021650
The jawline, mouth, nose, clothes and eyelids are really strong lines, they should've been place lightly and then you place your values following those light lines.

[Garthok No.2021671]

This took long enoug that my brain turned to mush and I wasn't learning anything more from it.

[Garthok No.2021673]

the best part is this hilarious progression that makes me look like I started it on drugs

[Anonymous No.2021692]

>>2021667
Thanks, breh. Will keep in mind.

[Anonymous No.2021715]

>>2021671

This whole pose is just awkward. Have you ever leaned against a dirtbike? His weight placement would just cause the whole thing to topple over.

Grab some refs, have have him sitting on the bike next time.

[Anonymous No.2021785]

>>2020733

Anyone got suggestions?

[Garthok No.2021793]

>>2021715
Yes I have leaned against a dirtbike like that and I did just fine. I have also stood on a wall and juggled sideways in defiance of gravity what is your point?

(Noted, thanks)

[Anonymous No.2021822]

So, I kinda want to start drawing. If only to post humorous things and do requests on the chans, and someone gave me a tablet recently. However, when I try to sit down and do some drawing I invariably end up just staring at the blank canvas for the longest time before just shutting down the programs again. It doesn't really matter if it's me trying to study or just trying to draw from imagination. How do you deal with that?

[Anonymous No.2021898]

I have a question, and it's a retarded one since I come America's public educational system from small shitty town.

In anatomy, what's the layer called before the human skin and after the bone?

[Anonymous No.2021902]

>>2021673
kek'd

At least it looks better. Unfortunately I can't give you any real crit since I am a fellow beginner.

[Anonymous No.2021904]

>>2021898
Mixture of muscle, fats, and tendons

[Anonymous No.2021905]

>>2021898
Fiber tissue, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.2021914]

Any usefull guide to coloring in photoshop ?? all i find is shit . Need some crit too.

[Anonymous No.2021937]

just tried opaque brush and I'm lost, any advice on color picking?

[Anonymous No.2021942]

>>2021937
here's the reference

[Anonymous No.2021990]

>>2021937
>>2021942
Are you using the opaque brush to blend in as well?

[Anonymous No.2021996]

>>2021937
You should keep the background consistent with your ref - it's a lot easier to judge colors and values that way.

Also, that photo is tricky in terms of color, as a lot of the color shifts are subtle and not necessarily very intuitive. The 80's polaroid filter doesn't help.

Read about color and light, then go out and paint a ton of still lifes. That will teach you the most, and you can then use photos to further your studies.

http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm
>a bit about color and light in there

http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
>VERY technical, but very useful. You should periodically come back to this resource as you'll learn something new every time

Color and Light by James Gurney
>It's not a guide for using color picking by any means, but it will help you to understand various lighting effects. Knowing what color to use is simply a matter of learning what light does in various scenarios. I'd also search for posts on color on his blog, as a lot of the content in his book is on there as well.

[Anonymous No.2022006]

>>2015943
Man that hint sounds great!

[Anonymous No.2022034]

>>2021648
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

When I paint in color, I like to mix on the canvas, is this bad? I'm working digitally, but I like to start with a dark silhouette, and just start adding midtones and highlights until i like something and go from there. Sometimes I go overboard and the colors start getting muddy and stuff. Should I colorpick from the canvas less? or at all?

[Anonymous No.2022036]

I keep hearing 'paint from dark to light,' is that purely for traditional media because of how physical paint works?

Every single process/tutorial video I see from well renowned digital artists, they almost all start from midtones. What am I missing? THanks

[Anonymous No.2022039]

>>2021996
wow that's very helpful, I thought of getting "Color and Light" book, but /ic/ told me it's not for beginners. Thanks for the post.
>It's not a guide for using color picking by any means
I am not sure if you meant what I think you meant, but I didn't picked my colors from photo.

>>2021990
i don't understand. My brush has smooth edges and that's how i mix colors, i dont use anything other than brush tool

[Anonymous No.2022045]

game is hard

[Anonymous No.2022059]

>>2015943
Why does that work?

[Anonymous No.2022065]

>>2022059
He's really really really simplifying color temperature. It'll help your stuff not look as muddy until you actually get around to learning temperature for real.

[Anonymous No.2022118]

>>2021673
Why did you get rid of the feathers... they really fit the image. She kind of just looks like a soccer mom without them.

[Anonymous No.2022119]

>>2022065
Ah thanks, I never realized temperature was so important to color. Guess I've got some reading to do. I noticed some recommended reading for color theory earlier in the thread.

[Anonymous No.2022156]

>>2020668
the base colour is always relevant man. you will notice the difference, trust me. it can be just a very thin layer, but still covered.
what colour is under the nose and eyebrows then? is it not black? cause it certainly looks black and it doesn't look good

>>2021298
you need to blend colours, that's what

>>2021914
that hand looks fucking gigantic mate

[Anonymous No.2022221]

>>2021298
>>2021218
already i fucked around with the face contruction even more. the eyes were both too high, her right eye needed to come in more, and the right eye needed to be a bit bigger.

so i have a couple questions.

ive been making solid progress on portraiture and this will be my first painting of a portrait. i started doing all kinds of measurements and calculations to make it as accurate as possible eventually getting to the point where if i was drawing with pencil and paper i could just guess and get pretty close. i did the same with this, just trying to come as close as possible, checking later with fresher eyes, adjusting, repeat. it seems like portraits are just fucking complicated. does it ever get to the point where you can just draw an outline pretty fucking perfect first try?

[Anonymous No.2022223]

>>2022156
yeah i need to work on the skin more but ive neglected the face so i wanted to make progress on that

[Anonymous No.2022226]

>>2022221
>that soul patch
I like

[Anonymous No.2022227]

>>2022226
lmao that's a leftover from when i merged the outline and value layers

[Anonymous No.2022238]

>>2015943
im sorry but that's terrible advice, there are no formula like these for color or anything in art

[Anonymous No.2022239]

wasnt sure of a background... any suggestions? and i would love this critiqued

[Anonymous No.2022240]

>>2022239
some crazy space back ground with moons and stuff, a forest, or desert. make the canvas large so there's a bigger margin around the character too?

[Anonymous No.2022242]

>>2022239
For a background, use light grey until you decide on an actual background, it's easier on the eyes.

Inconsistent lighting and the fur has no definition. Also, look into perspective and size.

[Anonymous No.2022256]

>>2022239
its hard to critique since its from imagination. its line art and your lines seem good enough. the way you have the hair drawn looks nice. the colors seems to work well together (except maybe the eyes but thats just my opinion). the only thing i'd recommend to 'improve' is draw the rest of the creature.

[Anonymous No.2022403]

What was the site name with a lot of torrents for artist where you need an invitation for dowloading?
Please someone post the name of that page

[Anonymous No.2022590]

>>2022256
>>2022239

>its line art and your lines seem good enough

Am I wrong or does that not look chicken scratched AF?

[Anonymous No.2022644]

>>2022239
>>2022590
nah you're right, the lines could use a bit of cleaning up, but there are definitely worse cases of chicken scratching out there

[Garthok No.2022674]

>>2022118
I know I know. He didn't like the feathers.

I wanted to make the picture look like some generic indian shit rendering you'd find in a roadside indian shit museum on some indian shit reservation but he threw me a curveball, and he was the client and didn't seem to get the joke.

[Anonymous No.2022682]

Badly drawing faces I found in a collection of mug shots

[Anonymous No.2022726]

>>2022682
Your eyes seem a tad small in some of these. It's either that or your faces are extremely wide. I like the one on the right though.

>>2021914
Might want to scale that hand down a bit. It's a little large.

As for mine, I understand that my figure seems a little tall but I can't figure out where. Should I just move onto rendering so I can practice that?

[Anonymous No.2022739]

>>2022726
Yea I'm not really satisfied at all with the two middle ones, nor do I think I've really found a way to do hair that doesn't look shit.

That girl has a bit of a giraffe thing goin on

[Anonymous No.2022743]

>>2022739
Oh yeah now I see it. She's also got a long ankle. I should check my proportions better. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.2022749]

>>2022743
these are kind of nitpicks but her right hand is a tad short and the legs are really thin looking in general

[Anonymous No.2022961]

>>2022239
>oh god the subject

[Anonymous No.2022986]

How do i draw rotated stuff in perspective?
Like a chair that does not stand paralell to any walls. Cant recall reading it in 'perspective made easy'.

[Anonymous No.2023014]

>>2022986

Then reread perspective made easy.

Thing is, paralel things have the same focal points, if something is not paralel to anything in the room, it means its focus point or whatever its called is just moved on the horizon line.

Like draw a box in 2 point perspective, then move those 2 points on the horizon line and draw another box next to the first.

[Anonymous No.2023032]

>tfw your only friend in Drawing I drops the fuck out 3 weeks into the class leaving you alone

Fuck you Blane.

[Anonymous No.2023033]

What's the best video/book series to hold my hand as an absolute beginner at drawing?

Preferably something on CGPeers or YouTube.

I came here before and asked about what to learn and someone told me to draw a line and then try to draw over that line without any frays and also to draw a lot of ellipses so I've been doing that for like 2 weeks and don't know where to go from there.

[Anonymous No.2023034]

>>2023033
Sycra on youtube is really good at explaining the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.2023038]

>>2023034
He doesn't seem to have a playlist that is in some kind of order.

[Anonymous No.2023039]

>>2023038
Watch his videos on proportions first, then get to the actually drawing things.

[Anonymous No.2023075]

>>2022156
>what colour is under the nose and eyebrows then? is it not black?

I've mixed a close black for the harsh cast shadow, yes, but I did not use pure black and in life the skin tine comes trough more. don't assume.

[Anonymous No.2023092]

This is my first day of attempting to learn. Couldn't draw Shit at all previously. Did some Loomis and got bored and gave stick bodies lol. Tried to do mostly from imagination but really struggling :(

[Anonymous No.2023178]

>>2023092
lol it looks like you gave up doing eyes and started doing chinks

[Anonymous No.2023224]

>>2022045
I felt like something went horribly wrong

[Anonymous No.2023384]

>>2023224
>nose is too small
>mouth is too small
also her left cheekbone might be too curved

[Anonymous No.2023447]

I have never draw till Jan 1st this year. New years resolution. :) I been writing erotic / hentai since 2004. I had tried to find artist who might draw things for me, but most charge a lot or where never able to deliver.

So I took up drawing for the 1st time. I've been working on Anatomy ( Male / Female ) I been drawing with various pencils / on a drawing table. I bought myself a small Wacom 4 today. I am having some issues while using Krita paint program. ( I'm not sure if its the program or the tablet.

Attached photo ( drawing lines sometimes pauses for no reason. I don't list up the digitizer. And I can't seem to see any weight in lines when I press down or lift-up it stays the same.

As for my pencil artwork, I like a scanner to show my works. I'm obviously new as I only started drawing this year. But will ask another time. I just want to know how can I make my lines smoother ( I know some programs allow smoothing of lines. And if I can prevent my lines from cutting off for no reason, assuming its related to the tablet and not krita. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.2023452]

>>2023447

Sorry for spelling errors I didn't proof read. And wow, post photo looks more jagged than my photo on the desktop here. That's very odd. I really don't want issues like that to affect my line work. I'm already having issues I'd like to work through without having to fight my tablet too. :(

[Anonymous No.2023458]

>>2023224
shadow doesent make much sence, eother you got too much or not enough of it

[Anonymous No.2023562]

>>2023092
I'm so glad i got through this level in my early childhood

[Anonymous No.2023577]

>>2023092

Don't let these party poopers let you down anon. I started drawing this year. Though I have yet to upload anything to "Get advice" aside from the post about my Wacom giving me issues... You are on the right path. Don't post again if these mean comments get to you. I don't plan to post till I'm certain I am at a point that I can draw but not at the point I don't "need" advice.

I hate loomis work, and watched a lot of artist friends use others and they got a lot better faster using other books. I couldn't tell you who they were as I was a writer / still am, and before had zero interest in drawing anything so. yeah. GL to you, we will make it in time. :)

[Anonymous No.2023578]

>>2021648
Can anyone elaborate on this? I'm also struggling with going from greyscale value studies to painting in full color.

Are there any rules to picking colors? To blending/mixing them? Is it enough to make colors in light warm and colors in shadow cool, or is there more to it?

Any resources that has a basic intro to color picking?

[Anonymous No.2023579]

>>2023562
>now im kr0n

[Anonymous No.2023614]

Practicing.

[Anonymous No.2023628]

Any critique or tips? currently having some issues rendering the bark on the tree.

[Anonymous No.2023640]

>>2023577

Thanks mate. It is all good though, everyone has to start somewhere and I'm just starting from the absolute bottom. I'm sure we will eventually get the hang of it. But I guess I was a bit wrong expecting much help at my level. I guess having a go at someone is easier for people than trying to legitimately help someone who is struggling!

[Anonymous No.2023655]

>>2023628

[Anonymous No.2023656]

>>2023655
thanks

[Anonymous No.2023659]

>>2023656
also add some shadow on the ground. and think about the lightsource. it surely isnt in top left corner. its behind the tree, so the "make everything on right dark" makes no sence

[Anonymous No.2023668]

>>2021445
looks 90s rad

[Anonymous No.2023688]

>>2022239
>keeper

would discard/10

[Anonymous No.2023692]

haven't painted shit in weeks, thanks video games

[Anonymous No.2023699]

>>2023692
at least you play videogames, i just watch shit in youtube

>come home
>+-5 hours of free time
>procrastinate as fuck watching videos and browsing imageboards
>feel like i need to go to sleep
>fuck better draw something
>spend 1h max actualz drawing
>fml
>i have nohing to blame but myself

[Anonymous No.2023706]

Alright upside down gesture drawings 2 min each
Any critique ?
Am I on the right way ?
What should I do next ? Grind more ?

[Anonymous No.2023713]

I started painting 2 days ago. I just finished this but I don't know what to do with the bottom side of it. Any ideas? It's waterpaint btw and I try to learn techniques through youtube but if you guys know a better way pls tell. I really like to get better at this so I can do atleast 1 useful thing in life.

[Anonymous No.2023735]

I wish I could make this interesting. It was grayscale at first, and I dont know a very good way to color it.

[Anonymous No.2023741]

>>2023577
I think it's important to know that your work is shit when it's shit so you always head out to improve. To each his own I guess. My work is definitely total shit but I'm okay with that.

[Anonymous No.2023743]

>>2023735
better than beginner tier, have at least SOME confidence

[Anonymous No.2023749]

aaaaand we reached the bump limit yet again

NEW THREAD

>>2023747

>>2023747

>>2023747

[Anonymous No.2023750]

>>2023735
define the eyes more

[Anonymous No.2023756]

>>2018020
its a titty

[Anonymous No.2023766]

were at bump limit


NEW THREAD


>>2023763

>>2023763

>>2023763

[Anonymous No.2023880]

>>2023628

Is that you Ryan/Bryan?

[Anonymous No.2024648]

>>2016983
Yeah skip everything in that book that isn't exercises.