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Post your nsfw, critique others.
Ask advice, and so on etc. etc.

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>> No.2006786
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2006786

Been getting comments that my drawings look soft, which I assume is a good thing. Sometimes I worry that the lack of detail and messiness is detrimental to the quality. I save massive amounts of time by using thick lines and essentially coloring my sketch.

Wondering if spending more time for a cleaner result would be beneficial for smut pictures like this.

>> No.2006800

>>2006786

spending more time for cleaner results is always beneficial. That's universal for everything, smut or not. If people like what you do that's cool, but don't let the ass pats stop your artistic growth (if you care about that kind of thing).

>> No.2006805

>>2006746
yaay thats my pic thx op

>> No.2006809

>>2006800
I'm concerned if looking at that drawing makes you wish it was more polished or if it's "good enough". What I'm looking for is a good balance between quality and time spent.

This is not to say I don't want to create polished drawings, but I don't think everything warrants 10+ hours of work either.

>> No.2006814

>>2006786

The way I see it, your present style is pretty effective for quicker stuff. There's definite value to being able to draw a pretty solid looking piece quickly. If you were taking requests and drawing smut at that quality, I think people would love you.

Naturally, though, a cleaner result might be better for projects you're invested in the quality of, like if somebody was paying you.

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>>2006809
>I'm concerned if looking at that drawing makes you wish it was more polished or if it's "good enough".

I wish it was more polished. I like crisp lines. Give me crisp lines and I don't even give a fuck about color, ex: pic related.

I've never been much of a color fag. But everyone isn't me and color means a lot for a lot of people.

>> No.2006832

>>2006814
I should have maybe mentioned this was with requests in mind - that drawing was a delivery, too. But since it's free art there isn't much room for complaint and some requesters would be happy to receive anything at all. So it's a bit hard for me to judge what quality I should aim at. I like making people happy, so it's not in my interest to do low effort deliveries. In order to output a higher quantity I can't afford to spend too much time on each piece though.

(For commissions I try to offer my utmost best, but that's a different story.)

>>2006815
Yeah, I get that. I'm really envious of artists who are good at crisp, detailed line work. For me, that shit takes forever.

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>>2006805
No problem

>> No.2006835

>>2006832
>delivery

Under the context of a delivery then the quality you posted is fine dude. I don't spend anymore than 2.5 hours MAX on free shit that's for a draw thread.

>> No.2006844
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>>2006815
>your pic
No fap march is over for me now

>> No.2006926
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>>2006822
> OPM fanart, nice!

I've been mainly doing that recently If you're interested.

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>>2006926

>> No.2006929
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>>2006927

>> No.2006933

>>2006927
fuckin ew

>> No.2006943

>>2006933
looks like the boogieman from nightmare before christmas filled her pussy with maggoty jizz

>> No.2006944

>>2006927
This is like some junji ito shit right here.

Ever thought about doing horror?

>> No.2006945

>>2006933
>>2006944
Not him but I surely can't do better than him. If I was as good as him I'd be probably posting my lewds all over the place.

>> No.2006949

>>2006926
>>2006927

There are so many references for poses like these dude. Use them.

>>2006929
>All that text

Never was a fan of extremely literal and forward dirty talk. Leaves very little room for wordplay. And I think it would have been hotter if she was at a lose for words after the deed was done. Considering she was such a chatterbox beforehand.

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>>2006949
>There are so many references for poses like these dude. Use them.

What ?

> Never was a fan of extremely literal and forward dirty talk.

>> No.2006954
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>>2006944
It's like you've never read a doujin in your life.

>> No.2006955

>>2006952

I guess I should just ask what are you using for reference for your work/poses?

>> No.2006958

>>2006955
Depends. Mostly artists I like or just random porn pics or doujins I use for poses I'm not too familiar with. Why ?

>> No.2006960

>>2006958

Because the anatomy on the behind pics look questionable. Might be because of your line contouring. I was curious if you were using real porn images mostly. Screen capping porn videos also serve as good reference.

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>>2006954
I know ito when i see it

>> No.2006966

>>2006962
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCL

>> No.2006978
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>>2006962
>>2006966
MY FUCKING HOME BOY JUNJI ITO

>> No.2006987
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>>2006962
>>2006978

Jesus fucking christ. Nightmare fuel for days. Stop killing my boner asshole. More pic related PLZ.

>> No.2007028

>>2006987
Oops.
Okay

>> No.2007044

>>2006962
Holy hell that's disturbing

>> No.2007045
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2007045

This is a drawing from a painting I am working on. Someone said my painting is erotica.

>> No.2007048
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>>2007045
Here you can see detail showing my painting so far. There is a mirror above in the background that reflects down. It is an artist and his model.

>> No.2007049

>>2006943
why boner

>> No.2007062

>>2007045
>>2007048
>my erotic dream about a dead girl while I was suffering schizophrenia

>> No.2007068

anyone wanna use my cock as reference?

>> No.2007069

>>2007068
I don't like to draw small and ugly cocks.

>> No.2007070

>>2007048
>her pussy is so technologically advanced, that her natural lubricant turns into a soft cloth, when in contact with the air
>also shes sad or dead

>> No.2007072

>>2007069
its not small and ugly

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>>2007068

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>>2007073

>> No.2007077
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>>2007068
I go on rate cock threads on /b/ and use them as reference. That is, unless I fap to it before i draw it

>> No.2007079

>>2007070
Correct she has a sad look on her face. Makes her look more vulnerable!

>> No.2007080

>>2007075
I thought this was a response to >>2007070 because this was my exact reaction while reading it.

>> No.2007109
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>>2007079
Ive had bad experances with girls in my past, but I dont like it when they are sad, because it makes me sad. Even in her most vunerable state to feel joy, I cannot fulfill her desire and vice versa. What am I going to gain by doing this, I already almost got charged with sexual assult because a girl cut herself when I broke up with her, and claimed that I raped her in the janitor closet; when in fact there wasnt a janitor closet at all.

Uh-oh. Flashbacks

>> No.2007110

>>2006926
I'm definitely interested. Your cum is and some parts have too many lines, but I can still fap to this.

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>>2007110
>but I can still fap to this.
Das it mane.

>> No.2007265
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2007265

Critiques and shit, first draft and all that.

>> No.2007272
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>>2007265

>> No.2007350

>>2006926
>>2006927
>>2006927
Try not to make the sweat/fluid/scuff lines too uniform, it'll be more interesting if you thought more about composition

The anatomy is really strange and not in a good way. Make the skull bigger and the butthole/vag aren't in the right perspective, also study backs.

>> No.2007393

>>2007272
what those cocks even do there ?

>> No.2007407

>>2007350
>Try not to make the sweat/fluid/scuff lines too uniform, it'll be more interesting if you thought more about composition

You mean making the sweat and sperm more different to each other ? Yeah, already tough about that, gotta try some effects for the cum.


> The anatomy is really strange and not in a good way. Make the skull bigger and the butthole/vag aren't in the right perspective, also study backs.

I used several references, seems fine to me. be more descriptive when you're criticizing because this will lead to nowhere otherwise.

>> No.2007442

>>2007350
The gesture is not very good other that's what got me the impression that i am looking at something amateurish the most,
there is no strength anywhere not even on the ass pull, she feels paralyzed.
I will suggest that you go and find a very well animated hentai or ecchi anime and see the action and study it frame by frame, don't do it with anything
low batdget tough, it might be a bit unorthodox but it gave me a good idea how to make action with still images.

>> No.2007489
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2007489

Ok I tried....

How can I get rid of the chicken scratching?
(being more confident)

Thanks

>> No.2007496

>>2007489
you're welcome

>> No.2007498

>>2006543
Whats the name of this girl again?

>> No.2007500

>>2007498
ushijima?

>> No.2007504

>pretend to be a grill on deviant art and draw commission furry/hentai/normal porn
>get into amateur game dev and build VR porn games

I don't want to work a normal job any more. Is this plan awful?

>> No.2007512

>>2007504
Wait, if I'm a grill, a pornfag and an amateur game dev it means I should be swimming in money right now? The fuck did I do wrong?

>> No.2007516

>>2007512
Have you tried charging for currency?

>> No.2007518
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>>2007516

>> No.2007520

>>2007518
Don't worry, sometimes it's the most obvious mistakes that get us!

>> No.2007522

>>2007520
Seriously though, do commissions even work? I mean, if you're a top tier drawfag like senpai here >>2007272 of course people will pay you to draw shit for them, but if you're just an average pornfag why would they do that? Granted, I never tried it, I'm just curious if it's really as easy as /ic/ makes it look.

>> No.2007525

>>2007522
I have no idea, but I did read on rebbit that some girl was getting decent money from furry porn. But yeah, I imagine you need to be decent, but you also need to find a market to sell to, which means maintaining DA / blog / forum accounts.

I'm more interested in how long it'd take to draw/model/texture decent porn since I already have a paycheck.

>> No.2007530
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>>2007522
It's about reputation and what people want, aka something that wants them to fap.

Like, an example, take Shiin :
http://shiinsart.net/shiin/
He had a terrible level for a long time, and even if he keeps improving, it's far from being outsanding even now. It's just that he draws fanart (naruto, bleach, tough he also has been drawing his OC for some times already), hot stuff (big dicks, curvy chicks), and has been doing that for years, thus getting a solid number of fans.
He created a patron some times ago, and it's popular af, the amount of money he's getting is crazy :
https://www.patreon.com/shiin

>> No.2007531
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so Can I make money drawing neko-girls giving blowjobs?

>> No.2007532

>>2007530
>$3,591 per month
What am I doing with my life then? I mean I can do better than that, I think.

>> No.2007535

Actually, my biggest issue here is that if I made a DA with porn, that would mean I would post the rest of my drawings there and people that know me would recognize me. Having to explain that you draw BDSM for fun can be pretty awkward. How can one avoid this?

>> No.2007539

>>2007530
>https://www.patreon.com/shiin

>Oh lawd, the dream is real.
>$3,500 per month
>This will grant me enough income after taxes to have somewhat of a normal income!
>somewhat of a normal income

this fucking cunt

>> No.2007540

>>2007532
You should try it out. Just make separate accounts for everything, that's what I did. Also you can't post outright porn on dA anyway, make sure you read their rules before you try it. But I just started a little less than a year ago and I'm starting to pull in an audience and even have a few commissions. It might take a little bit of time to get your name out there, but probably not too long. I was missing the mark on what's popular, once I did a few more prominent things I started getting more views, so keep that in mind.

>> No.2007542

>>2007535
Don't post your existing drawings there?

>> No.2007549

>>2007539

> implying 40 grand a year isn't less than US median wage

>> No.2007550

>>2007539
Yeah, this made me cringe a bit, I don't know where he lives, but getting so much with just what he's drawing is crazy.

Anyway, the patreon thing is quite recent, pretty sure he began posting his stuff at least 6 years ago, and I've been following his stuff since then, so it's not that surprising many people has been doing the same. It's a bit too long for most people who wants to get a bit popular and sell their stuff.

Anyway, comissions and fanarts always help for the popularity. Like, this guy can't draw for shit and still get a big amount of popularity, because he draws nude anime characters WITH their actual faces :
http://shablagooo.deviantart.com/gallery/
It's almost funny how he didn't improve at all. A bit sad that so much people are attracted by badly done female bodies with copied anime faces.

>> No.2007552

>>2007489
Only with constant drawing. I'm doing exercise now for like month, and I'm drawing with tablet for like 3 years (but didn't focus that much on it) And now I see some improvments. I'm doing Peter Han's exercises, and some exercises from cheatsheet image from tumblr, but now i can't find it, it's just doing circles, connects dots etc.

>> No.2007553
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>>2007550
> scroll down in the gallery page
> see the first comment

>> No.2007554

>>2007549
it's more than median wage in the US

>> No.2007555

>>2007540
>>2007542
My normal drawings are good but nothing spectacular. They would boost the quality of the porn because of the coloring/style but alone they wouldn't deserve a whole DA account. Or maybe I'm just too pessimistic and I should try it out anyway.
How is DA when it comes to gay porn? Does it fare as good as straight porn? What about BDSM?

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>>2007550
From http://shablagooo.deviantart.com/gallery/ comment section:

>These pictures combine Ancient Greek and Renaissance artistry (nudity in art), and modern appeal. Your art knows no bounds. Simply marvelous.
For short, nice job.

My fucking sides.
But on the other hand I can see apeal, his figures may be wonky, although never completly butchered beyond recognition. Even though , the best what he can offer is this super clean style of rendering and lineart, this is what sells it to this people.

>> No.2007559

>>2007555
you cant post porn on da.

>> No.2007564

>>2007559
Masterplan ruined, need to come up with a new one.

>> No.2007565

>>2007554

Huh. You're right. I rechecked and it's higher than the median wage, and about even with the average wage. I was looking at average income when I checked the first time. Sorry!

Still, I don't think it's that large amount of money. It really depends on where he lives! 40 G's a year can really put you into a good house with land in the Midwest or South US, but doesn't go as far on the coast.

>> No.2007581

>>2007558
my nigga, that's the only one I clicked on too.

>> No.2007583

>>2007552

Thanks for the advice bro!

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>>2007558
thinking about Nonon, also have this with her.

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>>2007584

>> No.2007588

>>2007559
Where do I post it then? Pixiv?

>> No.2007594

>>2007588
Tumblr. You can post porn on it. Tough you can still use Deviantart too along with it.

>> No.2007613

>>2007594
Eh, you just killed my boner. Better than nothing I guess.

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>>2007265
>>2007489
Fapping confirmed

>> No.2007628

>>2007588
On the pahel.

>> No.2007630

>>2007585
good shit

>> No.2007635

>>2007617

Wow did you really got turned on by my drawing?

Ok, I am done! I am gonna create a dev account with a chan nickname gonna draw hentai and fan art like shit, gonna learn how to paint with photoshop.

I am going to keep my gender as a secret to feed fantasies then a patreon then $3500 per month which down here is practically high class income if you are single and no kids

Of course I am gonna to keep you informed about his experiment. Wondering if I should created a secret blog or something to let you know how is it going...

Wish me luck!

>> No.2007637

>>2007635
Alright, but first, learn to draw big dicks. And make your pics lewder. >>2007489 Is too soft. Open the eyes, add some sweating, thrusting effect, blushing... and of course, nude bodies.

>> No.2007638

>>2007585
We need more shit like that.

>> No.2007646

>>2007635
Good luck man, keep us informed because I'm interested too. Tell us in which sites you opened an account, how the promo went on and which ones were successful. Also what >>2007637 said but it's up to you.

>> No.2007653

>>2007646

Well I don´t have money to buy add, so drawing ecchi and soft shit to da, then a tumblr or a blog then a patreon.

And of course learning how to paint anime style with photoshop.

Probably gonna make a blogspot site called experiment hentai or something like that. Gonnapost it here. I guess I will have to draw like crazy learn more figure drawing directly from porn clips etc... the idea is also improving and making, eventually, high quality shit.

>> No.2007659

>>2007653
Do you plan to link all of them together? Like "if you wanna see my porn go here" and shit, or just keep them separate and see what happens? What's the best practice on this topic in general?

>> No.2007668

>>2007659
I think it would be good to have a "base", so wheter an art blog or a tumblr. Pixiv could work too actually, I post my porn stuff on it, you just gotta add Japanese tags if you want to be looked at. As for deviantart, the thing is to enter in the most groups possible and join them.

>> No.2007673

>>2007668
I thought that following people on tumblr is the best practice to get followers, something like twitter. Does the same apply to DA or should someone just bother with groups?

>> No.2007679

>>2007673
Both maybe. I'm not popular at all on deviantart, so it's hard to tell if I'm missing something. Maybe it's just about going in the most groups.
Look at this dude :that got posted before :
http://shablagooo.deviantart.com/art/Nonon-Jakuzure-513099363
202 GROUPS just for this pic. Pretty sure he enters each pics manually for every groups. At least, tumblr and pixiv works more on tags.

Or something not that stupid, gifts to populars dudes on twitter may help too :
http://shiinsart.net/shiin/gallery/?album=5&gallery=4

>> No.2007683

>>2007584
Why is that little bitch so sexy ?

>> No.2007740

>>2007683
Nonon is a semen demon

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>>2007740
i dont know why im not into the anime style, i wondered what it would look like the other way around :{D

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>>2007750
I actually like western drawn porn more

>> No.2007859

Hey weird question, I put it down in the drawthread too but it'll probably get ignored like all my other questions I put there:
Could anyone recommend me some good rock music to listen to while I paint this sexy rock star? Maybe something along the lines of Pour Some Sugar on Me? I never really listen to rock so I don't know any good albums I could just put on for inspiration.

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>>2007585
also, almost doesn't change anything, but also had this variation.

>> No.2007906

>>2007750
I like the thing with the top girl holding more the bottom one, but otherwise, the anime ahegao, rough big dick inserting, juices and effects makes me harder.
Mind showing how it would looks without the shadow lines on the bodies ?

>> No.2007923

>>2007859
I told you to do Pandora you goofball

>> No.2007926

>>2007923
lol I am, I am! I posted this one here before the one in the question thread. It's been too long for me to delete it now...

>> No.2008040

>>2007659

don´t know if da allow a direct link to a blog with nsfw content... never done this before. So I guess it will be everything da, tumblr, youtube (making ecchi videos with my content etc...)

The group advice on da seems a great idea

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>>2007906
yea, i didnt get rid of the lines, i can but its almost like a guide to me

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>>2007637
By lewder you mean the lines more thick I used a 0.1 pen in the first one. In this quick one a 0.5.

Is this better? (pic related)

>> No.2008086

>>2008040
>don´t know if da allow a direct link to a blog with nsfw content

Indeed they do not.

>> No.2008094

>>2008060
Small dicks are best dicks

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2008142

is this big better?

>> No.2008155

>>2006962
Kill it with fire! My god! FUCK! Get it away!

>> No.2008172

>>2008155
Thanks to /v/ ive read about 12 Junji Ito comics. They are fucking scary and insane. Dude tried to make porn, but it turned into giving bee blowjobs, bee blowjobs and necrophillia blowjobs.

I cant seem to find it though

>> No.2008180

>>2008172
>thanks to /v/
>not /a/

What's vidya about Ito? Has he done art for games?

>> No.2008185

>>2008180
/v/ has literally been /b/ 2.0 since like 2010

>> No.2008251

>>2008142
>>2007489
These are very good outside of the lines to me

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>>2008142
BIGGER.

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instead of working on real life anatomy, i decided to do a fetish piece. What do you guys think?

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>> No.2008416

>>2008403
LOOMIS
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>> No.2008422

>>2008413
Fix anatomy. Ribcage far too wide, breasts far too spread. Too thin arms, bad face proportions. You need Loomis. That weird shading in the crotch makes it seem like HER right arm has no fingers. Bad pose, learn gesture. Draw both eyes, I fucking hate it when people hides an eye because they cant draw two.

>> No.2008424
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Thoughts?

>> No.2008429

>>2008403
Rough and simplistic to the extreme, can't really find it erotic yet.
What is that round shape on her crotch though?

>> No.2008431

>>2008424
well, still need some works, but it has got potential looking at what you did so far, the face looks pretty good.

>> No.2008439

>>2008422
Just an old dump, did that in a school bus but thanks

>> No.2008462

>>2008413
For the next 6 months, draw mostly from reference. Then behold how much better youll be.

>> No.2008463

>>2008439
Honestly if its old art that you did in a (probably bumpy) school bus. Why are you showing it to us...

>> No.2008487

>>2008371
Gross

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>>2008439
How old ago?

>> No.2008698
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2008698

Every time I try and make lineart with a brush that has constant opacity it looks dead. But when I use a brush with opactiy set to pen pressure its kinda hairy. Then if I try to clean it up it just globs together.

Any advice on lines? Also, hows the anatomy, etc.

>> No.2008705

>>2008698
>Slav Dragon
Tail looks kinda off, plane wise.

Try taking a break from it and coming back to it

>> No.2008727

>>2008698
not really in the right thread either is it man

>> No.2008738

>>2008698
>hairy
decrease brush spacing, zoom in when linearting.

>> No.2008796
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2008796

might not look good but i learned some stuff.

>> No.2008829

>>2008698
You posted it here, you now have to make it sexy.

>> No.2008836
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>>2008829

Are you ready

>> No.2008846

>>2008836
looks like his dick is coming out of his bellybutton

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>>2008836

>> No.2008864
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2008864

hows this

>> No.2008903
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>>2008850

Because I know you want more

But seriously, if I were to do this for furries and shit would I make lots of shekels? Is this furfag tier

>> No.2008924
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>each pose took 10 min
>was actually fun
Ruh Roh

>> No.2008925

>>2008924
I don't even like chubby but this is great

>> No.2008926
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>> No.2008931

>>2008926
Ass is wonderful.
The face doesnt look very femine enough.

>> No.2008939

>>2008926
I like the aesthetic.

>> No.2008942

>>2008925
Thanks man.
>fun
>fast

I better lube up and do some more

>> No.2008949 [DELETED] 

>>2008903
Neck is too short for Dragon type.

>> No.2008951

>>2008903
Neck is too short for Dragon type

>> No.2008966

>>2008926
is this for a game?

>> No.2008975

>>2008939
i like ur butt ;)

>>2008966
Nope, just for fun! Always wanted to do pixel porn, and pictures with aliens in them, then ended up combining the two ideas out of laziness. I would probably play an alien porn game though...

>> No.2008993

>>2008924
do you have a blog? your art looks familiar

>> No.2009041
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>>2008951

Hows this neck?

>> No.2009104

>>2008903
neck too short, dick still too high

>> No.2009149
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2009149

My friend asked me to draw a concept art of Persephone for her. I know it's shitty, but how do I get better at proportions and stuff.

>> No.2009158

>>2008251

Thanks bro, guess its time to practice with real porn references...

>> No.2009161
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2009161

opinions?

is this hot enough?

>> No.2009170

>>2009161
Not really. In general people expect hentai to be exaggerated and cater to their fetishes.

>> No.2009182
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2009182

just finished layout for a smut comic.

Anyone else here making (porn) comics?

>> No.2009189

>>2009170

Ok then moster dicks and furry is the way to go?

>> No.2009191

>>2009189
That's not what I said, there's always a middle ground. The point is that no one will care for a crudely drawn anime girl that just stands around and has no clothes. Would you care about an average 3DPD girl that wore no clothes and just stood around?

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>>2009191

So then improve the drawing, lines add color and make her do anything with a dick.

is this better?

>> No.2009202

>>2009189
Find a hot pic from anywhere. Note the exaggerated gesture, features and focus. That's the middle ground of reality.

>> No.2009207

>>2009202
thanks I will

>> No.2009224

Does drawing porn or doing commissions of it in your spare time affect the chances of getting a job at an actual studio? Such as an animation studio?

Would it be wiser to just keep two separate accounts one for your normal stuff and one for your lewdie nudies?

I'm in school for animation so I ultimately want to work at a studio but I still enjoy drawing lewd things as I find it good practice for anatomy and I find it fun and I wanna share drawings with people.

>> No.2009229

>>2009224
Paul Robertson is doing pretty well, I'd say.

>> No.2009233

>>2009224
Depends on the kind of porn you're doing, how well known you are for doing porn (if you become known as "that porn artist"), and what kind of studio (eg. studios geared towards young children.)

>> No.2009234

>>2009233
Where I'm from there's a lot of studios geared towards television. So lots of school shows.

>> No.2009236

>>2009229
Oh wow I heard of the name but had never taken the time to look him up. He does seem to be doing well.

Thanks for your responses guys!

>> No.2009240

>>2009234
Just keep everything under a pseudonym, dude. Unless you're just posting light cheesecake/beefcake here and there.

>> No.2009293

What fetish should I cater to to get the most shekels on h-foundry?

>> No.2009578

>>2008993
gumbogorilla on tumblr.
Familar? Hmm.

>> No.2009580

>>2009041
Good neck

>> No.2009584

>>2009149
You have a basic understanding of bodies, but it just hasnt clicked for you yet.

You read up on figure drawing by andrew loomis; then you might want to consider learning michael hampton's way of porportions, mass, and volume.
There are video tutorials as well. Id recommend watching ProkoTV on youtube, as well as Michael hampton.

Also Persephone should have enviromental factors that let us identify her, like sitting on the throne next to hades. Or maybe growing crops with her mom

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>>2009199
Try looking at some ryuko azuma

Minimum lines, maximum effect

>> No.2009594

>>2009224
Artyl is doing okay

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>>2006926

>> No.2009610

>>2009604
wtf haha

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>>2009604

>> No.2009670
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>>2009586
What an amazing artist. Thanks

Is this better or does it need a cock?

(I used a ref for this one)

In order to learn these poses should I try to draw the pose with memory then compare to the ref, see the mistake then draw again and so on..?

>> No.2009700

>>2009670
In my experience, imagination works well if your dong energy is strong. Drawing the thing you want to fap to, helps me a lot.

Also, it helps to use videos for references for porn and not still images. For me the still images lack passion and story. I use a lot of homemade gf/wife videos because you can just feel the love and the passion through the screen. Even when they fuck intensily, they do these little clicks with each other, that makes it special

>> No.2009735

>>2009182
Not yet.
I gotta get good at story telling

>> No.2009790

>>2009670
You seem to be really hung up on dicks. It's a lot better and easier to draw what you think is good, and it will show in your work, rather than pandering from the start with something that you hate.

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P-please ignore the shaky lines

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>>2008864
My take on how the face should look

>> No.2009869

>>2009859
N-no.
just,
no.

>> No.2009875

>>2009869
I-i dont understand?

>> No.2009881

>>2009859
Man I love when people who don't know how to draw try to redline other peoples work.

Never gets old.

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The result would still help the original artist.

>> No.2009905

>>2009881
still better than people who just nag like you.

>> No.2009909

>>2009899
How would that mess do anything but impede him? Helping him would be directing him to the sticky.

>> No.2009911

>>2009909
What do you mean that mess? It's a far jump from the original picture. Do you have dyslexia? You can't handle two overlapping layers?

>> No.2009915

>>2009911
That isnt a "jump" at all, just another flavor of shit.

>> No.2009916

>>2009915
Yeah, well then you do a better redline. If not you can go fuck yourself.

>> No.2009921

>>2007565
>It really depends on where he lives!

What does it matter? Move from Luxembourg to Cambodia, your job is online.

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>>2009859
people who draw animu faces always make the face so long
it wasn't that bad but so long geez

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2009936

any advice on coloring hair?

I would really like achieving that anime hair style...

>> No.2009950
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>>2009936
Just look at what popular artists do for this kind of stuff and try to learn their techniques. This should also help for the lewd side. So far, nothing you did really turns me on. Try to show off the boobs, and make them big, for exemple here. Makes the pupils smaller to show she's surprised. Add more effects. If possible, add a cheek bulge. Penis should be more detailed, even if you're not a fan of them being big that's still necessary for any cock. Tiny AND undetailed penises aren't appealing at all.
Besides : sweating, crying, action lines, blushing... they may not seems that important at first, but that's what makes a big part of the lewdness for a hentai porn pic to me.

Pic related. Not the best example, just something I quickly found, but it's still way better.

>> No.2009955

>>2009950

Thanks for your advice anon. I really appreciate that :)

>> No.2009963

>>2009950
Good advice for anyone.

>>2009955
You should also pay attention to your composition. Don't just crop away body parts. Floating dicks are kinda awkward so you should avoid it if you can help it. You don't have to draw the entire male, but at least attach the dick to something. Adding his hands somewhere can improve a piece as well.

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>>2009950

Is this better?

I thought pupils were larger when suprised...Am I wrong?

>> No.2009965

>>2009964
Yes, youre wrong.

>> No.2009970
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>>2009964
> I thought pupils were larger when suprised...Am I wrong?
Yeah, totally. Let's add that it can be also white pupils with a dot on the middle. But it's just a style among others, the way you did it works too.

I'll dump a few fellatio pics.

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>>2009970
I tried to looks for stuff a bit different from each others, just use the one you prefer as a future reference.

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>>2009972
More hardcore one with a big dick.

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>>2009974

>> No.2009978
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>>2009977

>> No.2009982
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>>2009978
Last one. A bit hard, but combining it with sex in a more complicated perspective could works too.

>> No.2009997

>>2009950
Essentailly.
>>2009955

For the detail parts [crying, huff of air etc] try adding what you like to the mix.

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Thoughts? I'm still getting used to drawing on a tablet.

>> No.2010102

>>2010091
Add more actions. See>>2009950 From now, it's a bit boring.

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>>2010091

>> No.2010289
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Some fast sketches after watching some amateur videos.

Is it hotter than before?

>> No.2010292

>>2010289
You really need to put more effort into your line work. Also expressions are extremely important, so try to study those. It's really hard to tell what those faces are supposed to express. Just pick your favorite doujin artist or whatever and copy different expressions.

>> No.2010296

>>2010292
>>2010292
Do the thickness of the pen affects the quality of line?

I mean when I use a 0.3 or 0.5 looks less shaky so to speak, the one above I used a 0.1 pen...

>> No.2010324

>>2010296
No.
I sketch with a 0.9, its just how stable your hand is

>> No.2010349

>>2008926
ayy lmao

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Oh geez

>> No.2010456

>>2010444
now it just looks like household pets being abused

>> No.2010485

>>2010444
one of those is mai waifu
i still approve.

>> No.2010486

>>2008924
This is kind of my goal, with more rendering and digital.

So far to go...

>> No.2010508

>>2010104
I dunno, that looks like an accurate depiction of Niki Minaj.

>> No.2010513

I have been a hobbyist all my life and lately seeing so many people making money while being worse than me
i decided to make some extra money to spend on stupid things like cute plastic from japan, the thing is that
as i expected drawing other people's ideas is usually boring to death, is there a way to sell my things online
like the japanese service of melonbooks, dlsite etc? i know about dlsite's english service but you still
have to censor your things apparently and patrion is not exactly that, does anything escapes me or is the western drawn porn scene that non existent?

>> No.2010549

>>2008926
Ayy lmao

>> No.2010662

>>2010513
Patreon is your best bet in terms of drawing what you want. The problem is you need a big following to make even a bit of money on patreon, so your only real option is probably doing commissions.

>> No.2010670

>>2010513
dlsite is taking a big share of the sales (about 50% IIRC) as distribution fees...
But I think I'll go with them as soon as my ero-game is finished... if I manage to finally draw well enough...(hopefully ero-pixel art as quite a following there, and I can do that)

>> No.2010676

>>2010456
In a way. Maybe I can find a way to do more stuff with their ears. I liked that idea.

>>2010485
One of them is my waifu as well. Made my heart flutter as a teen.

>>2010486
We're all gonna make it bro.

>> No.2010677

>>2010670
Am i right about the censorship on western artists as well? i am not really sure but that's what i remember.

>>2010662
I don't really care to make enough money to live or anything, i just like to draw doujinshi on my spare time and people usually can't afford to commission doujinshi and
even if they can i don't want to draw other people's stories, even if 10 people buy it then that's great, patreon has a very pursuing mindset, people want you to release your things
on a regular basis like page by page and feel entitled to things, i just want to take it easy and maybe sell a few things as time goes by.

>> No.2010679

>>2010104
>tfw you a stupid hoe

>> No.2010685

>>2010677
ah, well dlsite isn't censoring western artists per se. It's just that, the site being japanese, japan censoring laws applies so the naughty bits are censored.
Stupid japanese law...
I know of at least one (canadian I think) guy having some success with his games on this site: Kyrieru.

>> No.2010695

>>2006834
Oh, yes, I keked alright

>> No.2010698

>>2010513
>>2010662
>>2010677
If you're doing non-pornographic "erotica" and fetish erotica content there are a number of options (even deviantart, tapastic, anything in continental Europe...).

For explicit content your options are limited. There is DLSite of course (yes, your product has to be censored).
Some people set up a store on, for example, e-junkie with PayPal. In this case you are still breaking PayPal TOS, e-junkie is only a middleman. Payza would be a payment processor that allows pornography (but you'd have to set up your own store I think, not that hard though)

Currently offbeatr is expanding its "marketplace"/store system, which seems to be the first Western site with strong support for non-photographic pornography. Offbeatr is an offshoot of extralunchmoney which is sort of like clips4sale.

When you really want to get into it, I guess you could even try to work with someone in the adult business, like on gfy, but I suspect that would be way too much effort unless you can find someone reputable who can offer a good deal and service.

>>2010670
Fees in porn distribution are always much higher than regular, keeping 60% is pretty normal.

>> No.2010706

>>2010698
>offbeatr
>Specifically we DON'T allow projects, rewards, or products to display or mention the following topics:

>Rape/Forced/Abuse/Violence
>Snuff/Scat/Elimination of Waste on another individual
>Incest
>Bestiality
>Minor/Under Age
>Drunk/Sleeping/Drugged/Hypnotized (it has to be consensual)
>Copyright infringement

So they basically don't slow fucking anything, why is the western web so shit? thanks for trying to help anyway, i could probably just place them on
DlSite and then place a link to the uncensored content inside, that's what some japanese artists do.

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>>2010698
>>2010706
Interesting

>> No.2010724

>>2010706
A good portion of that is probably illegal by law (of course depends where you live). Meanwhile "abuse/violence" is probably not enforced

>> No.2010727

>>2010721
Protected by the Fair Use Act.

just develop your own style that differs greatly and you get the OK to do this for the most part.

also most of the stuff there is still along the guidelines.

>> No.2010745

>>2010724
But it's in america isn't it? it's hard to believe that any of it is illegal in drawings, even lolicon is a stretch.

>> No.2010747

>>2010745
Serves you right, you degenerate

>> No.2010925

>>2010706
Did you try the pixiv marketplace ?
https://booth.pm/en?utm_campaign=pixiv-header&utm_content=header&utm_medium=link&utm_source=pixiv
I saw several artists I know selling their stuff on it, it seems to allow pretty much anything.

>> No.2011197

>>2010925
You need a Japanese address and a local Japanese bank account to use that and other selling services in pixiv

You can still buy non-physical merchandise but that's it according to their FAQ

DLsite works but the traffic in the english site is way lower than the japanese site.. unless their policy changed, I think your thing has to have a japanese language option to be posted in the japanese side. (I dunno if it's automatic. For some japanese works they only post it on the english side if enough users request it and the author allows it)

and yeah western equivalent services are kind of dog shit

>> No.2011229

>>2011197
Ah. really?

Hey anon, call a shipping service. A better term would actually be "shopping service". There are people in Japan who make their living providing bilingual language skills, bank accounts, and addresses to allow overseas clients to shop and interact with their locality.

It isn't the same as a person assisting someone with buying clothes from an overseas website... it's like a person who will go as far as actually shopping for you.

Look up some "shopping services" or similar services, send them an email about what you are trying to do... you'd be surprised, some might be willing to help you out for a fee.

That fee might be worth it if you think your art would better suit a clientele overseas.

>> No.2011271

>>2011197
>You can still buy non-physical merchandise but that's it according to their FAQ

I did, so yeah. Are you sure you need to be Japanese for the rest ?

>> No.2011340

>>2011271
you technically don't need to be Japanese but as far as i know your account associated with Booth/Factory needs to have a Japanese address and local Japanese bank linked to it to sell (booth transfers funds something like every 2 months and 10 days holidays included). Additionally the physical goods (like cellphone covers and printed books) you sell through pixiv factory/booth only ships within Japan. I don't think this policy has changed yet since Pixiv booth hasn't been flooded by western shit yet..

you can probably have a friend in the country use your pixiv linked account and sell under your name

that said I think most japanese get most of their digital sales from other places like TDS, DMM or dlsite compared to booth

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Will I get flak here for drawing poke shit?

I normally don't do porn but i did this sketch out of impulse a few weeks ago and never finished it.

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>> No.2011508

>>2011458
>Will I get flak here for drawing poke shit?
probably only if it sucks

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>>2011506

>> No.2011664

>>2011197
After HF banned loli and shota i don't believe we even have a decent gallerie that allows everything except the japanese ones so i don't know why i expected any better. I wish Japan would become more open to the west, i am tired of sites pandering to some european countries that decided to put their artists in jail and turn then into societal burden because they hurt majority's feelings.

>> No.2011670

>>2011664
Wait, is this actually happening? Not a fan of any of that obviously but I definitely believe in freedom of art.

>> No.2011673

>>2011670
Freedom is a buzzword, and the legality of loli in the US is questionable at best.

>> No.2011674

>>2011664
Then quit being into drawn kiddie porn, m8. That shit does deserve to be banned.

>> No.2011685

>>2011670
In paper yes, i don't think any artists actually got jailed since few people will openly sell prohibited content if it's illegal in their country. I am the same as well, i usually like to draw things with big breast, nose hooks, armpit hair and weird things like that, but sometimes i get excited about a new loli character like leopard and then i remember that i can't post it outside of pixiv even if there is nothing illegal about it in my country, pretty sad.

>> No.2011688

So tl;dr

Set up a Dumblr/some other bloggy shit, post up your stuff, gather a fallowing.

Then make an Offbeatr account.

Am I getting it right? Is there anyway to skip the first part, where you slooowly gain a fanbase?

>> No.2011697

>>2011674
No it does not, the only argument that countries who banned it had was why not? it's creepy. Same with what the UK said when they banned the production of scat and bondage porn, "it doesn't benefit our society in any way"
We reached a point where we don't ban things that are harmful beyond any doubt but things that the majority just doesn't like to exist.
It's the same thing with american comic industry some decades ago where adult themes of sex and violence
who was censored since they were supposed to turn everyone into a psychopath and made the comic industry to hit rock bottom then it jumped to games. Comic Lo is running for over a decade now, how many of those artist raped anyone?
and can you prove that their drawings worked in a negative way to society? i am sorry but if you want to put people in jail because they draw certain symbols on paper you better have a very
strong argument with proof and not the other way around, it's like asking me to prove why i am not a criminal since i play GTA or watch the hitman movie.

>> No.2011702

>>2011697
butthurt pedo

>> No.2011703

>>2011702
>Insults other people and then esorts to shitposting.
As expected of the most tumblr infected board.

>> No.2011704

>>2011197
>DLsite works but the traffic in the english site is way lower than the japanese site
It really is but i think that mostly because unpopular artists post on it, and when japanese artists do they don't ever interact with the western crowd to let them know,
if you are popular enough already and people want your art they are likely to buy it if you direct them to it.

>> No.2011705

>>2011674
Murder games like GTA 5 should be banned. What kind of sick fuck enjoys the thought of mass murdering people? Geez

>> No.2011706

>>2011697
People always pull this card. What matters isn't the symbols drawn it's what it means about the artist and consumer in the real world. If you're into violence and bondage, and you act on it, best case scenario you can act it out in a controlled environment with two consenting adults, and that's perfectly legal, so there's room for benefit of the doubt if someone's reading something like that. If you're into children, then you're fucking into children. You're not just reading that shit because they're 'cute', they're 'cute' to you specifically because they look like children, and if you act on it in real life there is no best case scenario, and I have a hard as hell time believing anyone who says they only like reading that shit about kids and would never look at real kids that way. There's a difference between chibi/shortstack characters and CP characters, and if someone's looking at the latter, the attraction stems from somewhere.

>> No.2011709

The idea that you can go to jail for drawing something is ridiculous. Anything you draw is expression. You might be expressing a disgusting ugly thing no one but a couple of psychos will ever want to see, at which point it's ok for privately owned stuff like HF or whatever to ban you from posting it on their site, but at no point should drawing this land you in prison. The fact that people are being "disgusting pedos" has no bearing and the fact that someone would disregard freedom for the sake of sticking it to them pedos is to me far more disgusting.

Good evening, sir.

>> No.2011710

>>2011706
slippery slope

>> No.2011711

>>2011706
You're missing the part where you can't just stop being attracted to something. You'd be fucked if adult women were suddenly off limits. Unless you're a faggot.

Banning virtual CP is dumb because it's an outlet for pedos that doesn't hurt anyone.

>> No.2011713

>>2011703
That wasn't even me, but I agree.

Also scat (unhygienic) and bondage (whatever?) is not on the same level of child porn in the sense that people are worried that it's another alternative to actual child porn, and those who view/create it are pedophiles. Maybe influence people to take it outside of drawn images, who knows.

Violence is fine (typically, guro is not okay to most) because, as a society, people can separate whether it's just fictional fun versus actually wanting to participate in it. Now, if you're drawing guro or images of beating up women, people are going to assume you have a mental issue and that's when it becomes a problem.

Whereas with drawn child pornography, that means you are fucking attracted to depicted images of children, and people are going to automatically assume that you're into rl children like how you'd automatically assume somebody's a homosexual if he's male and jacks off to drawn gay pornography.
>the only argument that countries who banned it had was why not? it's creepy.
You know Japan has been trying to ban that shit for a long time, right? The only reason it hasn't been properly banned is because of how much of a gray area it is (fictional characters cannot prove their age, and you have the subjective thing of determining whether or not it's lolicon/shotacon despite the creator claiming they're "18", etc. Shit's too complex.) The reason why has been already said.

People fear that people will take this shit outside of their computer rooms or sketchbooks, or people will gradually become pedophiles outside of drawn shit.

>> No.2011714

>>2011706
You assume that being attracted to the taboo is of itself wrong or illegal, most people know that killing innocent people is wrong and they won't do it but they will still play a game
or watch a movie about it, because we like to enjoy the forbidden fruit from the safety of our imagination,and as i said, i do occasionally like lolicon to spice things up, i like it because
its a taboo and it feels wrong, i am not going to cry about it if it's gone, but i hate unnecessary censorship, your only argument still is that if people like lolis they will rape children,
that's their personal fault not a planet one, there are bad people who will like lolis but most people won't commit a crime because they read some idolmaster doujin.

>> No.2011718

>>2011706
So if you play games that involve killing people. Guess you must be interested in killing real people too huh?

Or is that somehow different for some magical reason?

>> No.2011719

>>2011714
The well majority of people love fictional violence, whereas pedo--I mean drawn child pornography connoisseurs, are a complete minority and just sound like they're in denial. After all, why would society be okay with somebody fucking whacking it off to something very illegal (in subject) and disgusts any sane person?

Liking lolicon = you like images of prepubescent girls and their attitude. That's fucking gross mang. Don't be surprised that most people are disgusted by it, or the fact that you can't persuade them into thinking it should be okay.

>> No.2011720

>>2011713
>The only reason it hasn't been properly banned is because of how much of a gray area it is
No in most works they clearly state that the characters are underage, it hasn't been banned because there is a big industry about it and quit a big number
of people work in it and support it, it's harder to say that people who draw lolicon are dangerous when for decades hundreds of artists did and nothing happened compared
to a country that it's non existent and people can easily assume that anyone who draws lolicon is the devil,also don't forget that banning lolicon means banning any character
that is even implied of being under the age of 18, just imagine what will that do to the hentai market.

>> No.2011722

>>2011714
>because they read some idolmaster doujin
No, it's not because of the material they read, like I said it's what it indicates about them in the real world. If they're reading porn about kids, it's because they're sexually attracted to kids, period. I didn't say they would necessarily act on it in the real world, but if they did, it would not be because of what they read or looked at, it would be because they're attracted to kids, which is the cause of them reading that shit, not the other way around. And if they acted on it in any way in the real world, it would be illegal, therefore criminal. My argument wasn't on whether drawn CP should be banned, I was talking about why comparing it to violence and other fetishes involving adults that actually CAN legally be acted out in real life is bullshit.
>>2011718
Yes it is different, re-read the first comment and see above.

>> No.2011723

>>2011719
I am surprised about artists who don't support freedom of speech more than anything, of course i don't expect from most people.

>> No.2011726

>>2011722
But if they like kids already and maybe someday hurt someone, why does some doujin has to do with it? I mean, the person is already a pedo.

>> No.2011727

>>2011723
This too. Freedom of speech doesn't mean no rules. You're free to put your opinion out there and free to accept the consequences. If you go out and start killing people and painting with their blood, hey you can claim free speech all you want, but society has deemed murder to be intolerable so you'll be dealt with. People, nearly ALL fucking life on this planet, has intense urges to protect offspring, because that's how life keeps going. So if you want to engage in or promote activities deemed harmful to them, you can put your opinion out there and accept your fate. And if you don't like that privately owned websites won't host your opinion, build your own website and deal with all that legal red tape yourself.

>> No.2011729

>>2011697
Lol but so many people were AGAINST banning bondage porn. Do you even read peoples opinion on it? What "majority" are you seeing?

Even look at stories of very rare occurrences of someone being taken in for looking a loli porn. Vast majority of people were upset that they were arresting someone over that.

>> No.2011730

>>2011726
>why does some doujin has to do with it?
I was NEVER talking about whether the drawings should be banned, AT ALL, I was only pointing out the flaws in trying to compare drawn cp to other drawn fetishes.

>> No.2011731

>it indicates about them in the real world. If they're reading porn about kids, it's because they're sexually attracted to kids, period
That's pretty dumb thing to say. I jack off to drawn lolis sometimes because i love anime style and they look sexy in doujins or hentai and i hate kids in real life, they are ugly and not sexy at all. I like "kids" in doujins because of their looks (made by some really good artist, for example) or setting, not because they are under 18.
Here is another example, i also fap to scat and guro sometimes, but in real life it's gross. I'd puke for real if i saw something like that irl. So don't mix real world with drawn stuff, anon.
But i agree with you about one thing, most people will call you a pedo anyway if you tell them about your hentai stash. But i don't give a shit about "most people".

>> No.2011732

>>2011713
japan can't really ban loli.
Think about it: the VAST majority of fictional characters from anime/manga/games are technicaly underage. That would mean baning most of rule34 works. It's just too big, it can't happen. And even if that happens, nobody will care. Imagine the uproar if the police went to the comiket to ban more than half of the content... I know japanese people can be quite complacent but there are limits, that would be a political suicide.
That said, other countries are also quite lax. Noone would ban Simpson porn, for example, even if Bart & Lisa are children. Most of rule34 goes without anyone batting an eye, even for works depicting children. Even movies have their drawn parodies, and no one is surprised by a little Harry Porntter.

But if drawing a young Hermione is (somehow) fine, drawing Emma Watson at the same age is not. Much hypocrisy, such logic!

I for one consider that as long as no real children are involved (that means, no models, drawn from imagination) you should be free to draw whatever, no matter how disturbing and offensive, as long as you put the proper disclaimers when distributing it.

>> No.2011733

Not to mention police has difficulty handling real child pornography that harms REAL children. Trying to hunt for 2D lolis that some guy can just draw on his computer? Hah not gonna happen. And a waste of resources to boot.

>> No.2011735

Pedos will always be pedos. It has always been there in their minds, they'll find some other way to get satisfied. Drawn porn can't influence people to be what they're already are. If there's no lolicon, something else will trigger them.

>> No.2011740

Does furry porn makes people rape dogs?
Does loli porn makes people rape children?
Does bondage porn turn people into Christian Grey?

>> No.2011741

>>2011722
You are not wrong to assume that but it pretty biased to call denial on everything, i literally only like lolis as a taboo facto, for example i am attracted to huge breast and wide hips but i am also attracted to perversion like scat armpit hair etc, so if i have a sluty elf and then add her sluty loli daughter it becomes even more perverted, if people where completely fine with it i probably wouldn't even care, so don't be so quick to judge, i am also fine with pedos enjoying it thought as i don't believe that drawings can turn you into a horrible person if you are not one alread.

>> No.2011742

>>2011740
>>2011735
>>2011733
>>2011732
Christ, quit samefagging pedophile.

People are not going to accept that you masturbate to prepubescent children, deal with it m8.

>> No.2011744

>>2011740
>Does furry porn makes people rape dogs?
If it's feral, it can be considered beastality.
>Does loli porn makes people rape children?
No but it can influence them. Slippery slope. Also it's pretty paedophilic.
>Does bondage porn turn people into Christian Grey?
No, just the book does that. Bondage done right (like in porn) is consenting and pretty safe.

>> No.2011746

>>2011742
well the HUGE amount of loli porn suggests that "people" aren't all against it.
Deal with it.

>> No.2011747

>>2011744
>If it's feral, it can be considered beastality.
So bronies are into beastiality?

>> No.2011748

>>2011746
>pedophiles aren't against child porn
Who knew!

>> No.2011749

>>2011742
What? Im not samefagging.

Do you accuse people of samefagging when the majority start to gang up on you and kick your ass?

>> No.2011751

>>2011713
>You know Japan has been trying to ban that shit for a long time, right?
It's always a pet project for one of the stupid parties because there's no nice way to keep face while rejecting it. It always goes to revision and higher decisions.

>> No.2011752

>>2011749
>influx of people defending pedophilia all of a sudden
But yeah, continue whining about how people won't accept your child porn buddy. No reason to argue with the disgusting, degenerate likes of you.

>> No.2011753

>>2011748
Well, loli is one of the most popular hentai genres.

And hentai is fairly popular.

So i guess there are tons more people who are into child porn that we thought!

>> No.2011754

>>2011752
Well no one here is defending child porn. Were talking about 2D lolis here.

O wait. Are you scared 2D images cant consent?

>> No.2011755

>>2011740
Whoa this genius figured it all out. Media has no effect on anything, words and images affect absolutely nothing! Pack your bags, advertisers, you're wasting your money, advertisement doesn't affect consumer behavior, fools! Governments studying propaganda for the past century? Waste of time you morons, propaganda doesn't do anything, this guy said so! Does bondage porn lead to people trying bondage in real life? Of course not you imbeciles, all sexual practices are 100% "natural" and people were definitely doing the exact same shit in India 5000 years ago that people are doing in Iceland today. This also explains why porn from 50 years ago is basically identical to porn from today, there is no change in content at all, nope.

>> No.2011756

>>2011744
Even if bondage is considered safe UK still banned it, this is were things go when you start questioning the legality of fantasy and pretense, who can people be so quick to ban based on feelings and what ifs after all we've been through in the past i wll never understand.

>> No.2011757
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>>2011733
you are thinking about it in wrong way. Police dont care who they put in jail, especially if it can be done with little effort. Why do you think people in jails are there mostly for minor offences? Like with drugs, drug bosses are living in their huge mansions and pot smokers are doing hard time. Same with child abuse. Its difficult to catch people who actually hurt children. Its much easier to slap " dangerous pedophile" on someone looking at loli drawings and pat themself on back how they made a difference and now the world is little better place.

>> No.2011758

just a quick question, how does fakku get away with the recent flood of petakon underaged hentai recently?

>> No.2011759

>>2011753
Yeah, it must be a huge fucking coincidence that the country where stashing cp was legal until last year is also the world leader in loli, what a mystery!

>> No.2011760

>>2011744
what I meant is: some people claims that people who like loli pron will rape children.
So I ask if furries (another "deviant" group) actualy rape animals. As far as I know, no one claims that.

The bondage part was just irony. People got interested in bondage when the book got out, but how many really became SM afficionados thanks to that without a previous onterest in it? The answer is probably very few, compared to the number of people who read it.

>> No.2011761

>>2011754
>depicted imagery of children engaged in sexual acts
>not child porn
Guess a picture of a dog doesn't depict a dog, then.

>> No.2011763

>>2011757
Even after America's alcohol prohibition people still think that if it's the law it must be right, amazing.

>> No.2011764

>>2011757
If its so easy then why dont they do it? It so easy, but they almost never do anything.

Some of the top image boards have loli porn. Why dont they shut them down?

Cause the vast majority dont care. The public already ridicules them for going after a few people who watched loli stuff a few years ago.

Imagine if they took it more seriously and started arresting people in the tens of thousands for looking at naked lolis...

>> No.2011765

>>2011758
It's not illegal, anyone who got in trouble in us got tricked into pledging guilty.

>> No.2011766

>>2011763
It was actually mostly Jews, i.e. the Jewish mafia who kept peddling alcohol, but that's a different story. Alcohol should be banned though, or at least heavily restricted.

>> No.2011768

>>2011760
>So I ask if furries (another "deviant" group) actualy rape animals. As far as I know, no one claims that.
A lot of people do actually. That said, furries (as in, the anthro shit) doesn't exist in real life whereas human children do. That's why many view it in a different light.

Now feral furry stuff (which is a different thing) is completely off-putting and people will assume they're into beastality.
>but how many really became SM afficionados thanks to that without a previous onterest in it?
What logic is this? A lot of people have piqued an interest in BDSM and the sexual life style after 50shades dude. If anything, you're completely proving the whole drawn CP = people will get into real children thing.

>> No.2011769

>>2011761
then a drawing of a dog is a dog? should we grant it animal rights?

>> No.2011770

>>2011764
Not that Anon, but that's because it isn't illegal and people are arguing that it should.

And why it isn't illegal is because gray area, etc. Doesn't mean people will accept your child porn tendencies.

>> No.2011772

>>2011764
Owning and watching loli is not generally illegal to the same extent as distributing it. Certainly in many European countries I'm aware of you are allowed to buy, download and own loli content, whereas distributing it is illegal.

>> No.2011773

>>2011769
No body is arguing that lolicon/shotacon is abusing children, idiot.

Now, creating or masturbating to a pornographic image of a dog depicts so which means you're into animals. Funny how that works, right?

>> No.2011774

>>2011769
Also, learn what "depict" means.

>> No.2011775

>>2011773
Being into animals isnt illegal. Fucking or owning videos/pictures of people fucking real animals is illegal.

>> No.2011780

>>2011774
I know very well what depicts means. It means that it is a representation of something, it doesn't imply that this representation is real.
So a long as it isn't real, I don't see any problems. Of course I agree that a picture can be offensive for whatever reason (not limited to porn: politics and religions are also often invovled), but whatever, are we not allowed to represent things? Some people were killed for drawing the prophet not so long ago. People all around the world are imprisoned for political caricatures. Offenses are taken when people draw bondage/rape scenes/loli and other fictional events. Laws are taken to forbid discusions on certain matters (in Europe at least, and mostly concerning the holocaust)
Freedom of speech? it doesn't exist anymore. Not sure it even existed one day. And people are FINE with it.

>> No.2011781

>>2011780
Freedom of speech is a buzzword

>> No.2011828

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DRAW YOU IDIOTS.

>> No.2011835

>>2011781
buzzword is a buzzword

>> No.2011906
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Did this some weeks ago, decided to throw some grayscale on it.

>> No.2011917

>>2011711
>helping pedos going in jail and getting raped
>dumb
it seems you don't know how world works anon

>> No.2012196

>>2011673
Freedom is kinda a buzzword ever since 9/11

>> No.2012200

>>2011688
>skip the first part
Do something stupid on youtube, like the ice and salt challenge while doing the cinnamon challenege and almost die.

>> No.2012206

>>2011747
Have you ever been to a /mlp/ thread?
All they talk about is how they fucked their cousins horse or pony on a farm that one time.
Its like pony thread simulator

>> No.2012210

>>2011906
It looks very nice.
The only complaint I have is that the eyes dont have sockets

>> No.2012220

>>2012219
>>2012219
>>2012219
>>2012219
Woke up to a bump limit that excedded 19 posts

>> No.2013046

>All those fucking shitstains actually defending the banning of art.
I fucking hate you people so much...

>> No.2013672

>>2007048
Is her face a latex mask?