Alt/ Style thread

[Anonymous No.1982721]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"To any man who has slaved to acquire skill in his art, it is most irritating to have his ability referred to as a gift. Perhaps there is one genius in a hundred years or more who can achieve perfection by divine inspiration. I have never met such a man, and I do not know any successful artist who did not get there by the sweat of his brow."

Previous Thread: >>1980948


A general message to aspiring artists: "Lack of knowledge can be greater torture than the effort of acquiring it. When all is said and done, nature is your best instructor."

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "No bones edition"

[Anonymous No.1982760]

>>1982721

man im going to miss the hell out of bones, he was the best part about /ic

he just posted some fan art of linkara on his deviantart to

farewell bones, have fun on /co dude

[Anonymous No.1982763]

>>1982760

[Anonymous No.1982765]

>>1982760
he's too good for this board. we can only hope he was speaking emotionally and not logically and that he will once more return to rile up the masses.

[Anonymous No.1982769]

>>1982760
>>1982763
>>1982765

bones stop, i can only laugh so hard at you

[Anonymous No.1982777]

Rip bones, you will be missed

[Anonymous No.1982830]

Does this look more or less correct?

[Anonymous No.1982832]

>>1982830
Looks hairy

[Anonymous No.1982834]

>>1982830
cut out the chicken scratch.

[Anonymous No.1982836]

>>1982832
I know, unfortunately chicken scratch has gave me good results to find out forms and fix stuff, I also have been focusing too much on portraiture.

[Anonymous No.1982840]

>mfw thread image is my drawing

[Anonymous No.1982845]

>>1982721
help
I have to spend like six hours carving this into a block of wood (for a print) and I dont like it anymore.
wat do?
finish it? I have like six other ideas and they're all crap

[Anonymous No.1982846]

>>1982840
Well considering it was 95% Bones shit...

[Anonymous No.1982847]

>>1982845
finish whatever you started, bro

[Anonymous No.1982848]

>>1982836
But your forms are shit, and you're hiding hands.

Use reference.

[Anonymous No.1982849]

>>1982845
woops I forgot to post it
>>1982847
a-are you sure??

[Anonymous No.1982850]

>>1982846
what's bones?

[Anonymous No.1982855]

>>1982846
oh...

[Anonymous No.1982880]

I was listening biosphere ambient music and i tried to draw something inspired by it.
End up with this poor sketch of a girl in a post apocalyptic underground sewage setting. I kinda messed up her face and hands but she was supposed to hold a military radio trying to contact her dad. Or something like that
Any critics?

[OP No.1982882]

>>1982840
you did good sport

[Anonymous No.1982883]

please circle places that need to be shaded more and also i would appreciate a good hand reference.

[Anonymous No.1982884]

>>1982883
>i would appreciate a good hand reference
How about your own?
Unless you're not human.

[Anonymous No.1982886]

>>1982884

[Anonymous No.1982898]

>>1982883
>a good hand reference
here in the twenty first century we have a thing called the google or "goo gull" phonetically, try the following hyperlink in the navigation bar in your web browser: http://www.google.com

I know the link seems really long, so an easier way of getting there might be to go to http://www.yahoo.com and searching google in their search bar and then clicking on the first link you find there. Or you can ctrl paste (that stands for control, it is a button hidden on your keyboard) and that involves highlighting the link with your mouse cursor (a mouse cursor is the little arrow you use to manipulate your graphical operating system) holding control and LEFT clicking the highlighted link, go down the listed items until you find "copy," left click that and then hover your cursor over the navigational bar in your web browser, hold control, left click, follow the list down to paste, left click and then press enter.

hope I helped ;)

[Anonymous No.1982902]

>>1982883
light source is fuckin everywhere
pleas calm your light

[Anonymous No.1982908]

>>1982883
>>1982902
nigga does this help you see what's happenin'

[Anonymous No.1982933]

>>1982883
You didnt ask for this, but since youre drawing metal armor. Heres a toot on metal.

Maybe it will be of use, maybe it wont. idgaf

laterz

[Anonymous No.1982937]

>>1982763
>tfw i see my OC meme being used

[Anonymous No.1982946]

>>1982884
how did you know O.O

[Anonymous No.1982948]

>>1982898
im lost

[Anonymous No.1982950]

>>1982933
ty

[Anonymous No.1982985]

so I drew this and got told that the arms are beyond fucked.
Any help?

[Anonymous No.1982986]

>>1982985
Fuck

[Anonymous No.1982990]

her tits looks bit off but i can't tell why
is her head too big?

i'm still practicing posing and proportions... giving me mass headache

[Anonymous No.1982994]

zine I made for vday

print, cut and fold a copy yourself if you want

[Anonymous No.1982995]

>>1982994
sick drawing

[Anonymous No.1982996]

>>1982986
There's potential, but it's true, they're not ok.

[Anonymous No.1983002]

>>1982995
thanks
have a sketch page

[Anonymous No.1983005]

>>1982986
Hello, let me just tell you that whoever told you that is full of shit and while we're at it, so is this guy >>1982996

The arms are perfectly fine. Maybe they're at a slightly weird position and have a slight length difference but that's it.
You can make some small corrections in the pelvic area and the chest but the arms are fine.

[Anonymous No.1983011]

>>1983005
You pretty much didn't redline anything and you'
re obviously not familiar with Tsunako's art.
The arms are not ok
They are too thin and just need to be scaled and moved.

[Anonymous No.1983029]

>>1983011
I'm not familiar with the art.
The arms are good for a loli, they have a slight size difference and that's it.

[Anonymous No.1983031]

>>1983029
Weeell
You see, that character is not a loli.

[Anonymous No.1983091]

>>1982986
Well, I tried to help.

[Anonymous No.1983095]

Need to move onto color now.

[Anonymous No.1983134]

>>1982986
a tsunkano fan yeah

[Anonymous No.1983137]

>>1983134
oh shit to add text here a another picture
so what do you think i know the bodies are fuck up specially the twin-braid one how to be more like tuskuno

[Anonymous No.1983147]

>>1983091
>>1983091
>>1983005
Thanks for the advice/comments.
I probably should have thought more about the pose before drawing.

[Anonymous No.1983188]

Some progress- can't decide on which colours to use yet

[Anonymous No.1983193]

i do hope it's not too bad...

[Anonymous No.1983196]

>>1983188
You're slow as fuck

[Anonymous No.1983200]

>>1983196
Not really, just don't have much time atm

[Anonymous No.1983204]

Did a Jenny on my Samsung, and it's the first big step I've made in digital art in the months since I've branched from trad.

How is it

[Anonymous No.1983214]

>>1983188
Hands are fucked up, fingers too long especially on her right hand. Did you flip it?

[Anonymous No.1983220]

I'm trying to figure out how to cut out lineart from my final piece
Any pointers on how to make this better would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.1983226]

>>1983193
work on those background rinfeg buddy

[Anonymous No.1983227]

>>1983214
You are quite right of course, thanks

[Anonymous No.1983259]

>>1983095
Are you the orc guy? Your lines are always great.
Only thing that you might want to check out is the boot on our right looks a little fucked up, the ankle is bent inward in a way that doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.1983272]

>>1983193
Rin's hands are so tiny it's bothering me

[Anonymous No.1983299]

Sorry for the roughness.

I have some thoughts on where else to take this before I put in any finalized linework, but I'd appreciate any opinions(especially regarding the position of my shapes).

[Anonymous No.1983346]

>>1983299
I'm interested in seeing where you go with this, anon

[Anonymous No.1983421]

>>1983299
The only thing that seems strange is that the big monster appears to be floating. Its two front legs might be too distant from the figures in the foreground (like right now they are kind at a 180° spread, when a "tripod monster" normally has each of its legs at a 120° interval) or maybe it's the rear leg which is out of place? Or maybe it's just me and it will look ok once you render the floor.
The gesture flows very nicely anyways.

[Anonymous No.1983472]

How does it make you feel?

[Anonymous No.1983475]

>>1983472
Whhops, nevermind, I meant to post it into Rei thread.

[Anonymous No.1983496]

>>1983193
Are you the same drawfriend who drew this?

[Anonymous No.1983503]

Are there any resources on making backgrounds?

Also how do you paint grass or foliage without having to paint each individual leaf/blade of grass, seems like it would take forever for a single background

[Anonymous No.1983513]

Wanted to try some shading that isn't cell.

Looks a bit off, but I still like it, so I'm wondering if I should try and continue without the line drawing.

[Anonymous No.1983518]

>>1983503
I would like to know this too.

[Anonymous No.1983530]

>>1983503
customized brushes for textures, open direction jitter so it doesnt look retarded. In most cases like on the brush on the left the blades are done individually, as well as the various flowers/plants on the floor

[Anonymous No.1983553]

>>1983513
What's up with the hairline on the brown girl?

[Anonymous No.1983555]

>>1983513
This looks disturbing

[Anonymous No.1983564]

>>1983513
>White boy went to jail and has a black guy, with questionable sexuality judging from his clothes, as a roommate
>What happens next

[Anonymous No.1983568]

>>1983513
ABSOLUTLY UNAPPEALING
DISGUSTING

[Anonymous No.1983586]

>>1983503
Aren't anime BGs always based off photos and real locations?

[Anonymous No.1983599]

>>1983586
Yeah, but regardless of what they're based off of I'm wondering how you go about painting that.
It's not like they use the photos and slap a photoshop filter on them.

[Anonymous No.1983605]

>>1983599
Considering they look with the same exact style in most anime, I'm sure there's a digital technique involved.
Those trees do look like a special brush.
CSP/MS5 has like a million brushes like that for instant leaves, grass and clouds, but of course, you still need skill to make it look good.

[Anonymous No.1983611]

>>1983605
I guess it's a mix of textured brushes for the stuff in the back and painted manually the closer it gets.

[Anonymous No.1983612]

>>1983611
And based off a photo for sure.

[Anonymous No.1983619]

how does it look so far
criticize please

[Anonymous No.1983623]

>>1983619
The line weight is a bit confusing
That left hand's poselooks painful as fuck
Otherwise seems okay

[Anonymous No.1983632]

>>1983623
does left hand look ok now?

[Anonymous No.1983635]

>>1983619
Agree with >>1983623
Also the eyes could be a bit smaller? dunno if that's just the style, but usually when you have relatively realistic noses, the eyes have more real proportions.

[Anonymous No.1983636]

need some halp with that

[Anonymous No.1983643]

>>1983636
With what?

[Anonymous No.1983646]

>>1983632
The hand should be pointing forward, make the pose yourself.

[Anonymous No.1983658]

>>1983553
Thanks, didn't notice that.

[Anonymous No.1983662]

>>1983646
like this?

[Anonymous No.1983681]

Hitting a wall with the hair, Currently going through a shit load of tutorials trying to figure out a good process for designing it, but so far, no luck. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.1983684]

>>1983681
I thought this was a pony from the thumbnail

[Anonymous No.1983688]

>>1983220
I'd say experiment with blurring out and thinning the linework to add a soft edge to the final piece while still having a definitive edge.

[Anonymous No.1983689]

>>1983662
Yeah, dunno about that thumb though.

[Anonymous No.1983691]

>>1983684
Anthro pone is where I make a good part of income, but I've been trying to branching out to more animu/ human characters.

[Anonymous No.1983692]

>>1983691
started with pony shit, branching out into pedo shit

what a renaissance man you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.1983694]

>>1983692
I go where the money is, and at the moment, people have been liking how I do smaller body types.

[Anonymous No.1983706]

>>1983694
>>1983691
I wish I could stop being a little bitch and draw some pony dongs, I keep hearing about artists making loads of money off of that everywhere I go

[Anonymous No.1983707]

How do I prevent smudging when using a dip pen with a ruler/template/stencil?

[Anonymous No.1983712]

>>1983694
Cancer

[Anonymous No.1983714]

>>1983259

Yep! That's me. Thanks for pointing out the leg/ankle, I'll fix it up some.

[Anonymous No.1983716]

>>1983712
A cancer that gets paid.

[Anonymous No.1983735]

>>1983503
NYAN PASU!

[Anonymous No.1983740]

>>1983735
renchon what r u doing there? xD

[Anonymous No.1983749]

>>1983226
not sure if i want to go all the way with a BG or just go for a white BG, but i will try to push it... if i can...

>>1983272
thanks, i'll make them a bigger

>>1983496
nope, that looks cute though

[Anonymous No.1983760]

Any potential?
Freehanded.

[Anonymous No.1983774]

>>1983706
So far, it's gotten me enough shekels to get a commercial license for for SAI, so I'd say it works.

[Clothing Ref Guy No.1983782]

>>1982721

How'd I do with the facial angle? Is it too flat or does it register that one side of his face is closer/far away?

[Anonymous No.1983790]

>>1983503
Put a filter on a photo and paint over it.

[Anonymous No.1983793]

>>1983513
>I want to be bullied by black girls

[Anonymous No.1983816]

>>1983782
It's completely flat, like, everything is on the same plane, also, no ears.

[Anonymous No.1983826]

I'm thinking this turned out okayish but I have no idea how it looks to others. How it be?

[Anonymous No.1983839]

??

[Anonymous No.1983845]

>>1983662
>>1983091
how long have you been drawing?

>>1982830
neurotic chicken scratching

[samura No.1983864]

>>1983845
about 4 weeks
all though, i always loved to doodle since childhood
i started reading tutorials and study stuff about 2 days ago on /ic/
>my drawing looked like this about 3 weeks ago
spending a day on /ic/ and practicing with references boosted my progress really fast

[Anonymous No.1983890]

>>1983782
That's terrifying.

[Anonymous No.1983897]

>>1983864
>that progress tho
you're an inspiration, anon. i needa step my game up too. good to have you around

[Anonymous No.1983899]

>>1983793
I want to cum inside black girls

[Anonymous No.1983902]

>>1983899
same

[Anonymous No.1983906]

>>1983899
Black girls with glasses are best black girls

[Anonymous No.1983919]

>>1983902
>>1983906
/ic/ has good taste

[Anonymous No.1983931]

>>1983899
>>1983902
>>1983906
Are you guys niggers or what?
That's disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1983938]

>>1983899
>>1983902
>>1983906
>>1983919
a lot of niggers on here tonight

[Anonymous No.1983942]

>>1983931
>>1983938
lel no I'm asian

[Anonymous No.1983943]

>>1983899
only if their hair isn't a bush

>>1983931
living in the US enough you get used to them and maybe start to see them as human beans

[Anonymous No.1983948]

>>1983931
>>1983938
>ITT

[Anonymous No.1983952]

>>1983948
they look like normal guys though...

[Anonymous No.1983969]

/pol/ shit belongs in ...?
you should be able to figure this out.

[Anonymous No.1983978]

[Anonymous No.1983988]

>>1983978
That's really pretty

[Anonymous No.1984017]

>>1983864
>about 4 weeks
>>1983897
>>that progress tho
>you're an inspiration, anon. i needa step my game up too. good to have you around
i started seriously trying to improve just over a week ago, felt pretty inspired by this too tbh

[Anonymous No.1984025]

>>1983681
are you aware of how strange this looks?

[Anonymous No.1984034]

>>1984025
NO BUT IT PAYS DA BILLS THOUGH

[Anonymous No.1984035]

>>1983681
Site/tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1984041]

>>1984035
http://hopkinsnaughtynook2.tumblr.com/

[Anonymous No.1984045]

Please help. I'm new to this and can't into hands

[Anonymous No.1984055]

>>1984045
Wow slow down mate. I don't think the hands are your main problem here.
I know everyone more or less hates being told those kind of stuff, but go back to basic anatomy (in simplified volumes first before details) and perspective.
Won't get better in 1 day but it's really worth it, if you keep on building on such sloppy fundamentals, you won't go anywhere.

[Anonymous No.1984077]

>>1984055
Ah, bummer. I tried doing all the Loomis things. Any good book for perspective?

[Anonymous No.1984087]

>>1982721
am I ready for Doujin?

[Anonymous No.1984089]

>>1984087
Too western

[Anonymous No.1984093]

>>1984087
Your tones are too muddy, don't overuse them.

[Anonymous No.1984095]

>>1984087
stop asking all the time and just do eet man.

[Anonymous No.1984098]

>>1984095
j-just wanted to show my progress... and get some feedback. I'll do it, eventually but I'll do it P:

[Anonymous No.1984132]

>>1984087
You're ready

[Anonymous No.1984133]

>>1983662
finally finished it!
how does it look?

[Anonymous No.1984136]

>>1984133
Nips are way too prominent

[Anonymous No.1984139]

>>1984133
dick status: muh

next make one dressed as a prison guard

[Anonymous No.1984142]

What do you guys think of this look for a comic? I know that the render is rough, but what do you think of the anatomy and plasticity of it?

[Anonymous No.1984144]

>>1984142
>for a comic
NO.

[Anonymous No.1984145]

>>1984144
Why?

[Anonymous No.1984146]

>>1984142
Nope

[Anonymous No.1984147]

>>1984145
learn to draw and paint first and don't become another hack

[Anonymous No.1984149]

>>1984147
well, that's not helpful at all.

[Anonymous No.1984151]

>>1984149
Not him, but it is.

[Anonymous No.1984152]

>>1984133
>>1983662

I think you need to work on your lines man,
you seem to randomly change line weight through out the drawing, I find find it super distracting.

Also just some more anatomy stuff for you, her left arm is a little fucked.
and the pose seem unbalanced and uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.1984153]

>>1984149
Yes, yes it is. You either do great art and great story or you do great story and pay someone who can do great art or you do great art and pay someone to do a great story. Don't think that just because other people in the industry have succeeded with basic/crude/abstract art that that is how it works.

[Anonymous No.1984154]

>>1984149
>>1984145
your style isnt really fit for a comic. first of all, its very detailed and defined. Its good for stylized paints, but to recreate it over and over is painstaking.

thats not the main reason though. Although many comics range from style to style, usually they would either be hyper realistic, or cartoony. Those two ranges of styles are what give emotion, which is the most important part of comics and their humor/story. Your style doesnt depict emotion very well and is somewhat grungy too. Its hard to see what he's trying to convey as emotion in general, because its semi cartoony and semi realistic. I wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.1984160]

>>1984152
i see, i never thought of line weight... haven't got to that point yet. i should practice on reference drawings more
i tried really hard to make her left arm look ok, but that's the best i could do
do you mind red-lining it?

[Anonymous No.1984162]

>>1984133
I still think that eyes is too huge, and the anatomy pretty much didn't change one bit from the previous wip aside from the hand.

[Anonymous No.1984163]

>>1984154
Okay, I can work with this. It might have helped to post a better example (like maybe a cleaner ink render as
opposed to this sketchy version), but I see what youre saying about emotion. The guy in the drawing is supposed to be conveying contempt, but maybe there are better ways to get that across.

[Anonymous No.1984169]

Does anyone else redline their own drawings before sleep so they don't forget what to fix the next day?

[Anonymous No.1984173]

>>1984169
i usually don't spend more than a day on a single drawing

[Anonymous No.1984183]

>>1983299
>>1983421

Still a bit rough. I'll lay into it with final linework next time.

Developed it a bit more though. This is more or less what I'm thinking before I finalize. I'd appreciate any input before that.

>...appears to be floating...
Well, it was supposed to be. I still appreciate your input though.

[Anonymous No.1984188]

>>1984077
I heard perspective made easy is good. Scott Robertson's book is awesome. Worth the price honestly.
http://www.amazon.fr/How-Draw-Sketching-Environments-Imagination/dp/1933492732/ref=sr_1_2?s=english-books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424070080&sr=1-2&keywords=scott+robertson
If you're poorfag you can learn via YT vids too. Don't have any in mind but that's fairly easy to find.

>>1984087
Probably not by /ic/ standards but I like it. And normalfags will totally eat it.

[Anonymous No.1984190]

>>1984163
I made a quick recreation. (sorry for the eyesore) Now, you really have to study emotion and grasp what actually feels like "anger" or "contempt". The fact of the matter is, even though you might consider a lot of what Im saying "style", comical expression still uses the general rules of human nature. Since yours is semi-realistic, it still applies. The chin does not change its angle for the sake of contempt. in fact, thats almost physically impossible. the back of your neck is brick like. your eyebrows are too above your eyes. You dont have many wrinkles despite this being a relatively old looking man. Or, it is, because your bone structure is more defined than your wrinkles. Again, even though its a style, you can't just ignore parts of the head or body. Define your lips, they take a big part in grimaces, smiles and such. Yours has no color, minimal shading, no shine, and just looks bland. Finally, your eyes are seriously bugging me. They're really big and its hard to tell what they show. The emotion range of surprise and anger all have smaller pupils surrounding the whites. In your case, it might not be surprise, more or less general "mr. pissed off". the pupils are still way too big, or at least in comparison to your eye whites. You also need to define his eyelids, it gives off much more of a point to show emotions. Theres light values everywhere and you cant use that to show emotion, either. Its very confusing, and its not composed well for comics in general. You neeeed to study expression. You can keep this style and still give off better emotion. This is all experience, and reference.

[Anonymous No.1984199]

>>1984087
Yea it's fappable
it's not perfect of course but if you keep studying while doing it you'll be ace in no time

[Anonymous No.1984212]

>>1983681
Mmmmmm *licks lips* noice loli tatties

[Anonymous No.1984358]

Any advice before I try to color

[Anonymous No.1984381]

>>1984358
I find that arm crop really annoying, if you have time I think it's better to include it.

[Anonymous No.1984399]

>>1984087
i think i've told you before but your noses are way too high/short. if you know of soul eater, that one is like that as well, but yours is way worse because your eyes are generally not consistent either.
work on your faces man.

[Anonymous No.1984400]

>>1984133
shoulders seem stiff, and that elbow is completely wrong. personally i like the expression though.
also work on the hands.

[Anonymous No.1984423]

>>1984183
My dick is ready for what ever I am about to witness

[Anonymous No.1984446]

>>1984093
That makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.1984450]

>>1984446
I'm sure it doesn't, for a shit artist like yourself.

[Anonymous No.1984492]

>>1983204
This frightens me.

[Anonymous No.1984505]

Does this look ok?

[Anonymous No.1984544]

>>1984087
yes

[Anonymous No.1984552]

>>1984077
>I tried doing all the Loomis things

Have you tried it just once?
You thought you just read the book and become good ater it?

[Anonymous No.1984557]

>>1984450
why do people get so butthurt on /ic/ when they get called out on halfassed unhelpful critiques that don't really help anyone when they hardly even put effort into the critique in the first place?

[Anonymous No.1984560]

>>1984557
everyone in /ic/ is butthurt.

except me.

[Anonymous No.1984565]

>>1984557
I dunno, why don't you just ignore halfassed critiques instead of acting like an entitled asshole?

[Anonymous No.1984568]

Help

[Clothing Ref Guy No.1984571]

>>1983890

I was going for creepy, so good..

[Anonymous No.1984572]

>>1984568
I TOOK A PIC OF THIS SHIT VERTICALLY

WHY THE FUCK IS IT SIDEWAYS

[Anonymous No.1984573]

>>1984568
Learn to draw first

[Clothing Ref Guy No.1984576]

>>1984573
I actually like this even if it's pretty simple, I just want your opinions.

[Anonymous No.1984583]

>>1984576
My opinion?
That looks like it was made by an 8yo with 0 knowledge of drawing.

[Clothing Ref Guy No.1984588]

>>1984583

This was one of my refs.

Say that again with confidence

[Anonymous No.1984589]

>>1984588
That looks nothing like it
And that looks like shit as well regardless
Use real art as reference next time.

[Anonymous No.1984590]

>>1984557
>>1984565
not that guy, but how was that halfassed? it was pretty clear, even if short. (and i agree with it.)
his reaction was kneejerk but your posts are also fucking retarded.
it's like you people don't actually ever read what people write. unless it's long paragraphs of convulted shit, then you go all
>"thanks for the crit <3"
and go on to do just as before, without improving.

also, half of this goddamned thread: go learn the basics in the beginner thread.
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.1984593]

>>1984590
"tones are muddy" is a half-assed critique, largely because mud refers to color caused by overmixing, not value. And even then, there's plenty of contrast in the image because there's a grand total of four values.

[Anonymous No.1984595]

>>1984590
It's just beginners that can't handle getting shit on.
Everything has to be positive for them.

[Anonymous No.1984602]

>>1984573
will do

[Anonymous No.1984608]

>>1984593
every ape with half a braincell can figure out what "tones are muddy" means. it means the gradients aren't fucking clean, nor are they well structured. look at all those random moise brushed onto the tones. it's arbitrary, and you can tell the guy didn't know what else to do to make it look interesting. it all shows inexperience.

also notice the other part of his post
>don't overuse them
which is exactly what the whole thing leads to.

[Anonymous No.1984612]

>>1984595
You're a beginner yourself. The next person that posts is a beginner. I'm a beginner. We're all fucking beginners. Nobody is going to make it. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.1984613]

>>1984612
Are you having a stroke?

[Anonymous No.1984614]

>>1984613
almost

[Anonymous No.1984621]

>>1984045
GO CHINA!
Who do you associate most with?

[Anonymous No.1984623]

>>1984612
if you're not being sarcastic: if you know you are a beginner, the please hole up into the beginner thread.
and please don't show yourself or your awful opinions until you actually get your art going.
>"git gud"

>>1984590
also i take that back. it wasn't half of the thread. it was only 2-3 images.

[Anonymous No.1984628]

>>1984169
I redline my drawings all the time because there's no one here who wants to give it a shot heh
Mostly I redline after some time has passed and I have a fresh eye

[Anonymous No.1984652]

what do you guys think?, it's ready for colour?

[Anonymous No.1984653]

>>1984652
Oh wow
Finish it already and move on

[Anonymous No.1984661]

>>1984608
>every ape with half a braincell can figure out what "tones are muddy" means.
So what you're saying here is that you used color terminology to refer to values, and aren't at fault for people not understanding you, and generally refusing to admit any sort of fault. For someone calling someone else out on not taking critique well, you aren't doing much better.

Say what what you mean using the proper terminology and don't get pissy when people don't understand you because you either can't or won't. We can't read your mind.

[Anonymous No.1984665]

>>1984358
im no expert but the neck looks weird for that big head.

[Anonymous No.1984669]

>>1984358
Vary your line weight. It looks cute

[Anonymous No.1984670]

>>1984661
again, i'm not that guy.
alright, i don't think you're quite getting this: "tones" in manga refers to "screentones". maybe that's what's confusing you?

[Anonymous No.1984671]

>>1984358
I can barely see the lines

[Anonymous No.1984717]

i knew i should've gone for the single gradient bg instead

[Anonymous No.1984721]

>>1984576
hilariously bad

[Anonymous No.1984722]

draw it long ago, and I know already that my lines suck huge dick, but do I pick prorortions right?

[Anonymous No.1984737]

Some adjustments and added a motorcycle just for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.1984747]

>>1984717
mikus eyebrows are horrible and they don't make any sense brah

[Anonymous No.1984751]

>>1984133
since a few people said they didn't like the hand, i'll try to help a bit.

Look at your own hand, in a mirror if you have to, to see what it would look like

[Anonymous No.1984780]

quick sketch i made today. any opinions?

[Anonymous No.1984794]

>>1984747

This is an example of bad critique peeps.

[Anonymous No.1984801]

>>1984794
what, do i need to tell you exactly why? or can't you see it by yourself? what is the problem?

[Anonymous No.1984812]

>>1983826
I like it. The bottom three panels looks really nice to me, the top panel bugs me because of the composition for some reason I can't place into words, but will probably look fine once you get text on there.

[Anonymous No.1984824]

>>1984717
tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1984827]

>>1984801
holy crap youre really bad at critique.

Imagine your teacher say "Oh thats wrong. But i dont need to tell you why"

Just give a simple explanation at least. it wont kill you.

[Anonymous No.1984829]

>>1984722
calves are too short. your overall height is two heads short. your legs can be exaggerated as well, but when they're shorter then it starts to look weird.

[Anonymous No.1984833]

>>1984827
Not him, but I'm an actual university professor, and "This is wrong, find out why" is the best thing you can say to a student. It's the only way to train people into being self sufficient.

[Anonymous No.1984843]

>>1984833
>an actual university professor
lol wow, this fucking board

[Anonymous No.1984848]

>>1984843
The best board ever?

[Anonymous No.1984858]

>>1984827
but i'm not his teacher. i'm just giving feedback.
imagine me being a non artist, this type of feedback would be the best thing you could possibly get.
you are supposed to see that shit by yourself in the first place. critique/feedback just helps you realize issues that you didn't know you had. this isn't pre-school.

>Just give a simple explanation at least. it wont kill you.
you don't know that. maybe i just wrote pages of critique for other anons just earlier.
and it's just one small thing. he really should be able to figure it out himself.

you really need to stop being so entitled. i don't think you understand: you are on your own, and it's on you to make yourself improve. you can't fucking ask me to work out your problems for you. am i getting payed here? where are my fucking benjamins?

[Anonymous No.1984865]

>>1984824
He has a pixiv

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=304834

[Anonymous No.1984884]

I-Is there a way to fix what I'm looking at. I tried merging two styles together and frankly I feel like its not gonna turn out well if I keep going. Do I recreate the atmosphere and backgrounds using the same brushes I used with the character? Do I stop using gradients? Any other things needed to be pointed out?

>inb4 ow the edgehog

[Anonymous No.1984891]

>>1984829
thank you, kind sir. Now i see it

[Anonymous No.1984901]

>>1984858
At least give him a tiny bit more detailed feed back man. Like literally a sentence or two. Feedback like that isnt all that helpful

[Anonymous No.1984902]

>>1984884
i like it
my only problem is that her right upper arm looks bit off, and her neck to shoulder connection seems weird.
you fuckin edgehog

[Anonymous No.1984904]

>>1984901
And? What if it's not helpful, so what?

[Anonymous No.1984911]

>>1984188
>/ic/ standards
These people nitpick like fucking high school girls
>>1984399
>Soul eater
I've read it.
I'm really not sure at this point where to go with the style. I guess making more actual studies instead of drawing manga could make me improve to go whatever way I choose.
>>1984199
>ace in no time
...y-you think anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.1984915]

>>1984911
You're an idiot

[Anonymous No.1984916]

>>1984915
*Your

[Anonymous No.1984917]

>>1984911
/ic/ only nitpicks because they want you to get better and make it.

Or because we're assholes. But I'd much rather have constructive criticism than OHMYGODPRETTY

[Anonymous No.1984919]

>>1984916
>>1984916

[Anonymous No.1984927]

>>1984917
there's a difference between constructive criticism and just nitpicking. That of the noses for example, I can see why

[Anonymous No.1984939]

>>1984901
telling you that the eyebrows are off should be helpful in itself.
seriously, just stop.

[Anonymous No.1984943]

>>1984751
thanks!
i also tried fixing things here and there

[Anonymous No.1984950]

>>1984943
Do you have a tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1984962]

>>1984848
It was better before werc wip and Kr0n.
Back when teal was here.
At least Incase is still here

[Anonymous No.1984978]

>>1984962
kek
the only change that happened in recent times was the porn thread.
also i will never understand what people saw in teal.

[Anonymous No.1984984]

>>1984962
>At least Incase is still here

With how gossipy and dramatic you faggots are I bet he won't be here for long.

[Anonymous No.1984987]

[Anonymous No.1984992]

Been drawing out both to figure out which outfit I prefer, but I'm still not sure if I should do regular Saber or Saber Lily.

[Anonymous No.1984996]

>>1983681
Her eyes are too damn big.

[Anonymous No.1985004]

>>1984992
lily offers more with a pose like that.
the way the neck is attached to the head is a problem. or at least it doesn't look quite right.
you're not kyle, are you?

[Anonymous No.1985006]

>>1985004
No, I'm not.
I didn't notice the neck until now, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1985008]

>>1984833
I know a professor like you and not only are his student one of the worst in terms of skill gain, they all think he's a massive cunt.

They're right.

[Anonymous No.1985012]

>>1984992
You should do Nero, the best Saber.

[Anonymous No.1985020]

>>1984950
http://jdotkdot.tumblr.com/
my old drawings look horrible, dont go too far
i warned ya

[Anonymous No.1985031]

>>1985020
>>1984943
Think more about your poses bro
You could have more interesting poses with the nedle and to show off more the outfit.
And also practice your anatomy man

[Anonymous No.1985036]

>>1985031
i see, i'm still really weak at postures and anatomy
i'm planning to do more reference drawings starting today
thanks for the advice!

[Anonymous No.1985053]

>>1985036
How long have you been drawing, anyway?

[Anonymous No.1985066]

>>1985053
>>1983864
about a month
i've been trying really hard to improve
my dream right now is to start commissions, and buy stuff i need for drawing like new tablet
but i know for a fact i'm not that good to get paid to draw yet
hopefully my half-broken tablet doesn't explode before all that happens

[Anonymous No.1985092]

Some school work.

[Anonymous No.1985095]

>>1985066
I definitely think you have made a ton of progress if you have only been doing it for a month. Looks pretty good. Keep working.

[Anonymous No.1985098]

>>1985095
Nah, I wouldn't take that as a fact.
That's a month of drawing "seriously", but he obviously has drawn a lot before for years.
Happened to me as well.
Sounds nice on paper, but it's definitely not true nor realistic.
Nobody, NOBODY gets to that point in just a month.

[Anonymous No.1985100]

>>1983095
I've been drawing for quite a long time, I would be embarrassed if I told you how long I've been trying and what I am capable of drawing (I'm the person who did the red lines).

[Anonymous No.1985106]

>>1983694
Going where the money is is the likely thing. Latel y I've tried to fight that. Currently I draw both human and anthro shit (clean) but I've been heavily pressured to just draw anthro porn since for some reason furfags have a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.1985109]

>>1985098
yeah, as i mentioned here ->>1983864
i counted a month as in i started drawing more seriously
i think i started doodling since grade 2? and i'm turning 20 next july
>this picture is the point where i was at when i very started drawing again
so i had some sort of clue how to draw

i've learned so much from you guys, and i'm yet learning a lot more
thanks, once again

[Anonymous No.1985120]

I want to continue this progress trend for this year, but I'm stuck. I didn't make a lot of improvement in 2014 as I didn't draw as much. Could I have advice on how to improve from '14?

[Anonymous No.1985121]

Still waiting for answer >>1981396
Does anyone knows how to recreate photoshop round brush in MS5 or SAI? Or how to blend colors in photoshop?

[Anonymous No.1985124]

>>1985120
better colouring, and more depth on the hair
>great tutorial

[Anonymous No.1985125]

>>1985121
I know absolutely everything about CSP/MS5, but you'll have to explain first what is a photoshop round brush.

[Anonymous No.1985126]

>>1985120
Can't really judge what you need to improve on from just a single drawing of a head.

[Anonymous No.1985128]

>>1985120
One thing that comes to mind is that you are mainly using more features / changed your drawing software instead of fixing some of your issues, "polishing a turd".

[Anonymous No.1985130]

>>1985128
don't be so harsh, i definitely see improvement here man

[Anonymous No.1985131]

>>1985121
Is that fucking Chachamaru?
Or is it Shinobu.
Or is it orginal content do not steal.

[Anonymous No.1985132]

>>1985128
The head and hair look a lot better

[Anonymous No.1985136]

>>1985130
>>1985132
Well the hair for example looks like they saw a picture/tutorial using a highlight arch like that and just replicated it because they learned how to use layer modes. Same with the eye glow. There's definitely an improvement,

[Anonymous No.1985139]

>>1985136
>There's definitely an improvement,
meant to finish with that even though there's clear improvement it feels a bit like polishing too soon.

[Anonymous No.1985141]

>>1985125
This one.
>>1985131
Chachamaru. I don't remember how she looks in details. Eye color is wrong

[Anonymous No.1985142]

>>1985120
Thanks for making me feel better about myself.
Anyways, check out the sticky on the front page and learn the fundamentals.
Gotta draw in 3D.

[Anonymous No.1985143]

>>1985139
it's never too soon to polish. it's part of the process too.
take that from someone who only practiced sketching but didn't polish too much.
now polishing feels like a major pain and i don't finish shit.
there's gotta be a balance

[Anonymous No.1985146]

>>1985120
you figured out how to get this far, so maybe you have what it takes.
i'd say get a sketchbook and draw a lot. maybe keep a gallery to showcase your progress.
keep working on your weaknesses.

[Anonymous No.1985147]

>>1985141
That seems like a pretty standard watercolor.

[Anonymous No.1985149]

>>1985141
Top tastes, friend.
I was considering trying out MS5.
How is it?

[Anonymous No.1985152]

Bluh

[Anonymous No.1985160]

>>1985147
>>1985141
Wait, this is more like it.

[Anonymous No.1985173]

>>1985092
Looks bretty good, but there a couple small changes that you could make that would help a lot. First, the perspective on the lampshade is off (you need to practice drawing ellipses more) and there are some structure issues with your character, most notably with the neck (too short). The line work on him also looks patchy and inconsistent but the other two things I mentioned are the most obvious errors.

Don't mean to cut you down though, this is a nice piece. I'd say the best part is the furniture, it's clean, solid and the line-work is appealing too

[Anonymous No.1985175]

>>1985152
Head too big methinks

[Anonymous No.1985217]

>>1985149
I don't like MS. Too many settings/brushes/crashes.
>>1985160
>>1985147
Nah, it's mixing hell. Looks like I finally found my waifus - PS+SAI.

[Anonymous No.1985219]

>>1985217
CSP is vastly superior to those 2, but whatever floats your boat.

[Anonymous No.1985223]

>>1984450
Im not even the artist you are just not giving any information. Colors can be muddy.
How can tones be muddy?

Are you talking about:
-edge control
-contrast
-number of tones used

or what???

[Anonymous No.1985253]

>>1985219
I think CSP and MS are the same thing. They're named differently because of how they're distributed.

[Anonymous No.1985262]

>>1985253
I already know that?
That's what I meant

[Anonymous No.1985265]

>>1985152
slutboi is in a very weird position and shouldn't be able to turn his head that far

[Anonymous No.1985276]

>>1984505
update

[Anonymous No.1985277]

>>1985262
Ahh, you're right. Coming off meds and reading comprehension is still a bit off. Carry on.

[Anonymous No.1985325]

>>1985217
use a pen, and put opacity and size on pressure. that's the equivalent of PS round brush.

[Anonymous No.1985338]

>>1985175
>>1985265
Okay, soooo more 3/4ths of the face, and turn booty more to a profileish?

Trying to find some more refs.

[Anonymous No.1985344]

>>1985338
You make me sick

[Anonymous No.1985383]

i was playing some gunz 2, so i like the idea of draw some katana guy falling to ambush an enemy

[Anonymous No.1985389]

how do i practice line weighting?
i'm currently doing mass figure drawings right now
but i also see my lining as a problem
how do i practice that to improve?
sorry if it's wrong thread, i really haven't gotten to any other thread in /ic/ other than this thread

[Anonymous No.1985390]

>>1985344
????
God forbid we try to draw nudy boys and not tis.

[Anonymous No.1985393]

>>1985390
Sure thing m8
Let's post CP for reference, right?

[Anonymous No.1985402]

>>1985393
Oh my god, is it???
They looked of age to me. Idk I got it off a gay men tumblr. Uhm. I'll delete it.

[Anonymous No.1985403]

>>1985389
lines are never ever a problem. concentrate on your forms, especially since you're doing figure drawings. always concentrate on form and gesture over something arbitrary like lines.
you lines will get good once you get good.

[Anonymous No.1985411]

>>1984381
>>1984665
>>1984669
>>1984671
Thanks for the crit.

I've never really messed with lineweight stuff, so I guess I'll start looking into that now.

[Anonymous No.1985414]

Saber Lily it is.

[Anonymous No.1985421]

>>1985414
finish the skirt, you forgot to draw the other half behind her.

[Anonymous No.1985424]

>>1985421
>you forgot to draw the other half behind her
I err.. I'm still drawing/sketching things out? I still have two layers of skirt/petticoat to add on, along with many other things.

[Anonymous No.1985432]

>>1985414
her eyebrows
can you fix them? or is it your style?

[Anonymous No.1985433]

>>1985424
ahh, how good of you to mention that. how stupid of me to not realize that you didn't forget to draw something, but simply have it in the making. i even thought the sketch was finished! oh lawdy lawd.

[Anonymous No.1985434]

>>1985432
What part of them?
They won't be peeking through the hair when I do the lineart, unless you mean something else?

[Anonymous No.1985440]

>>1985434
yeah that will fix it

[Anonymous No.1985443]

>>1985414
>Not Nero
You fucked up.

[Anonymous No.1985449]

Wilson a qt

[Anonymous No.1985453]

>>1985414
Not sure about the face
Looks odd, am I the only one?

[Anonymous No.1985457]

>>1985414
Got a page to follow your work?

[Anonymous No.1985458]

.

[Anonymous No.1985754]

Still contemplating the face on the right one. Not sure if it really works or not.

So I'd appreciate anything regarding that.

Otherwise, this is what I'll be building off of.

[Anonymous No.1985785]

Why do most good, experienced manga, animators or stylized artists seem to suffer from sameface syndrome? I think I'm going down that road and I would at least learn how to make them more unique, while still mantaining a stylized trait. Are there tricks to make faces more expressive other than showing them through the eyes?

[Anonymous No.1985818]

>>1985785
my guess is that most of the time, anime/manga faces are so stylized that to make a noticeable difference you either have to:
1. extremely deform the face skeleton
2. have entirely different style for each character
but many artists tries hard to avoid it after sailor moon critiques
usually ending up with good looking MC, and ugly fucking side characters with deformed base skeleton to make the difference

[Anonymous No.1985877]

being sneaky - posting in dead thread. Didn't finish, maybe continue tomorrow? will probably lasso some stuff that's out of proportion
>ignore the painting I was playing around with colors

[Anonymous No.1985887]

>>1983681
Head's fucked up yo.

[Anonymous No.1986076]

New Thread:

>>1986074
>>1986074
>>1986074