[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/ic/ - Artwork/Critique


View post   

File: 119 KB, 710x1000, tumblr_nfcm8sIfd11qigxlco1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1976373 No.1976373 [Reply] [Original]

New study thread! The last one was a female portrait, so now we're hosting a dude.

>> No.1976530
File: 219 KB, 574x616, somedude.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1976530

i hope everyone does chromatic abbrevation. it's hip

>> No.1976541

>>1976373
Nicely done anon.

>> No.1976652

>>1976530
looks good crowned prince! are you cool with 5 dollars this month?

>> No.1976689
File: 108 KB, 1000x704, 1h.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1976689

>>1976373
Gonna put another hour in this evening.

>>1976530
I like it so I demand your Tumblr/DA :3

>> No.1976739

>>1976373

i don't draw guys who are more attractive than me. fuck em. they can go suck a fat cock. i bet they are all homos too.

>> No.1976881
File: 777 KB, 849x1200, 30minWIP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1976881

quick wip to keep this thread alive.

>> No.1976918

>>1976881
Which brushes do you use? I really like this kind of art when they use those, looks really neat.

>> No.1976922

>>1976881
i like it although you made him indian

>> No.1976930

>>1976918
I use this brushpack http://www.mediafire.com/download/z37fp6mmpf472v4/kat_new_comp.abr but the main brushes I use are in basically every Jaime Jones, RuanJia or even Algenpfleger and Houston sharps brushset. Nothing too fancy

>>1976922

yeah, i realized that too.. I always go crazy with colors and proportions in the beginning. I will adjust the colors and basic proportions later, when i get a fresh eye on this piece.

thanks to you both

>> No.1976945

>>1976930
thank you for brush ^_^

>> No.1976948

>>1976881
good stuff. Nice brush economy

>> No.1976955

>>1976881

love the brushwork.

>> No.1976958

>>1976930
So turning him indian wasn't intentional? I thought you did a great job, kek.

>> No.1976967

>>1976881
WHO ARE YOU

>> No.1976983
File: 1.99 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1976983

Always fucking up proportion. How do you blend into middle values?

>> No.1976986
File: 1.77 MB, 3264x2447, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1976986

>>1976983
Oops.

>> No.1976987

>>1976986
Goddamnit. BRB killing myself for not knowing how to post images.

>> No.1977006

>>1976987
I still love you, anon. Don't go.

>> No.1977024
File: 1.05 MB, 1944x2592, IMG_20150210_232529.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977024

> had to manually add ic to clover
Guys we re doing bad

>> No.1977032
File: 426 KB, 1000x1264, Untitled-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977032

I tried

>> No.1977056
File: 360 KB, 959x602, study 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977056

>> No.1977062

>>1977056
jesus fucking christ


how are people still insecure on their linework when working digitally? if you get something wrong just press ctrl+z, its not like irl where you have to erase it or some shit

>> No.1977075
File: 169 KB, 900x1000, study2-10-15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977075

i cant look at this guy anymore, the longer i work on him the more fabulous he gets

>> No.1977080
File: 570 KB, 450x500, study2-10-15.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977080

>>1976530
and this one's for you buddy

>> No.1977284
File: 227 KB, 710x1000, mister mud.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977284

fuck this

>> No.1977287

>>1977284
it's funny how many things you only notice after posting

>> No.1977301

>>1977284
nice pin haha

>> No.1977321
File: 300 KB, 676x1000, 30v2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977321

>> No.1977332

>>1977287
Its because of thet thumbnail

>> No.1977353
File: 431 KB, 710x1000, CigDudeStudy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977353

Feel a bit outclassed in this thread

>> No.1977414
File: 814 KB, 1420x2000, 3015-02-10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977414

meh...

>> No.1977438
File: 87 KB, 490x698, study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977438

>> No.1977440

>>1977438
have you got a blog?

>> No.1977480
File: 1.67 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20150211_045806.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977480

>>1976373
First time I draw stuff like that.
I'm not much of an artist, but I think I'm motivated to do more stuff like that now.

>> No.1977488

>>1977440
mazerbolt.tumblr.com

Not much to see there yet

>> No.1977492

>>1977480
you photo guys stop posting sideways holy shit

>> No.1977493

>>1977492
My laptop didn't like it and felt like posting it sideways. Even tho it showed it nromal.

>> No.1977513

>>1976983
>>1976986
>3264x2447
>sideways
>twice.
why do you hate us anon?

>> No.1977551
File: 23 KB, 533x800, ba03346d5e56228d2943068c299f6956.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977551

>no alternate ref

>> No.1977567

>>1977551
i think that's not great for this type of thread, bit complex, meybe.

plus it's such a low scummy version of venus anadyomene, if that's even what it's supposed to be, it's so scummy it might as well be called 'venus of the lawn' because it belongs in someones back garden, no no, the back garden of the playboy mansion. what a waste of marble, if that even is marble, might as well be limestone with the amount of finish it has (none).

>> No.1977574
File: 67 KB, 736x1031, f062706b74ad436d817ccb774f64d41c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977574

>>1977567
You have bad taste in sculpture.

>> No.1977597

>>1976373
>topofheadcropped/10
not even once

>> No.1977612

>>1977488
Thanks!

>> No.1977613

>>1977574
well i disagree. when i look at that sculpture, renamed by me, 'slut slutting it up. redux.' and compare it to the dignity (with no loss of sexiness) of actual greek depictions of venus it's like idk, looking at a flashlight compared to the sun or something. where's the divine proportion and the skin-light finish, the careful consideration of skin and muscle. no no, it's a sexy woman i'll grant you, and a good ornament, but definitely falls about a million miles short of what it could be.

now just to be clear, i'm not saying it's like deviantart sonics or something, it's a very good work of craftsmanship, just a terrible work of art. ... like a transformers movie.

>> No.1977618
File: 86 KB, 460x640, 01221751420ef4df2e301fa3533c943d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977618

>>1977613
I see what you're saying. Do you have any recommendations for sculptors to study from?

>> No.1977644
File: 3.05 MB, 1869x1902, Three_Graces_Met_2010.260[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977644

>>1977618
i know after my diatribe it might seem a bit hypocritical, but if you're just studying for drawing. trying to get the 3dness and stuff any sculpture will do. if you want soft transitions go someone soft, maybe idk bernini or someone like that, if you want harder stuff, but still want it to be people then rodin is i think the best hands down.

a good motif to study is the three graces, i think. unfortunately newer ones tend to turn it into laughinggirls.jpg instead of the classic pose, which is most useful.

if you want to study sculpture to understand the aesthetic principles and stuff, that's a whole other massive kettle of fish.

if, when you're drawing you also want to be thinking about anatomy and all this, not just the chiaroscuro and such then you should really look through the works of the masters and try to find ones where you think to yourself 'i can really picture how that skin is stretched over a rib' like where the illusion is so complete that you can't really wrap your head around there not being a rib under there. male statues are best for that.

sorry for another long post, when i should be working i suddenly become long winded, funny that.

>> No.1977674
File: 211 KB, 695x1000, study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977674

>> No.1977683

>>1977551
>>1977567
Study threads aren't ref threads, but it might be cool to just start a second study thread if you're gonna work on that one.

>> No.1977701
File: 64 KB, 521x631, aczz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977701

Did a quick one, first time doing one of these threads

>> No.1977705
File: 810 KB, 1200x1010, study 1.3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977705

I didn't even finish the last one, started too late

>> No.1977706

>>1977705
It's looking good, but judging by your piece-by-piece approach, you might be copying rather than analyzing. Up to you to tell.

>> No.1977712

>>1977706

ty, and yeah, I said it in an other thread but this is my first serious study, so I'm really not into the analysing stuff but more in the "trying to figure out how those tools work" and learning about blending colors.

>> No.1977747

>>1977705
What program are you using anyway?

>> No.1977772

>>1977747
using manga studio 5.

>> No.1977829
File: 244 KB, 769x1044, Attempt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977829

Just over an hour using soft white brush on a black background in paint tool sai.

>> No.1977835

>>1977829
>soft brush
this makes me sad

>> No.1977844

>>1977835
Sad for why?
I can't draw with water colors or oil.
Actually I can't draw lineart or use penicl on paper...

>> No.1977866

>>1977829
>soft white brush
:'(

>> No.1977882

>>1977829
Use hard brush or you'll end up like those airbrush only/smudge tool retards nobody cares about.

>> No.1977890

>>1977321
solid brushwork

>> No.1977941
File: 1.21 MB, 2791x3200, 86-15-02-11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977941

a bit over one hour. Got to work more on soft edges though.

>> No.1977956
File: 544 KB, 710x1000, guy5_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1977956

>> No.1977960

>>1977513
I don't hate you bruh, I'm just an autist who can't figure out how to use my phone. It looked right side up when I was posting it, so I don't know what the deal is.

>> No.1978015
File: 127 KB, 893x1139, study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978015

>>1976373

>> No.1978050
File: 258 KB, 507x736, study-heads-welp2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978050

gotta do more studies

>> No.1978060

>>1978050
reminds me of leyendecker

>> No.1978062
File: 375 KB, 800x801, chochlik0023.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978062

>> No.1978080

>>1978015
Try to use the eyedrop at the end to see how accurate are your colors

>> No.1978111

>>1978080
They never are, i always fail miserably.
My values are fine though, although i did make the shadow shape brighter

>> No.1978125

>>1978111
that's why in the beginning is okay to colour-pick from the photo while painting, not every shade but just to get a general idea for the colours

>> No.1978133

>>1978125
>that's why in the beginning is okay to colour-pick from the photo while painting
is it?

>> No.1978134

>>1978125
>advice that gets people killed if it was war

>> No.1978148
File: 998 KB, 1200x1800, 12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978148

now i can finish this

>> No.1978204

>>1978133
key part of the sentence was
">"not every shade but just to get a general idea for the colours

>> No.1978571
File: 358 KB, 800x1127, duusd2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978571

x]

>> No.1978585
File: 156 KB, 1420x1000, study session.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978585

First time doing a study construction digitally.
What are some good practices for colors?

I don't think I've done enough color exercises in comparison to the values and construction.

>> No.1978593

>>1978585
>What are some good practices for colors?
Painting from life and master studies will teach you a ton. The biggest tip I have is to pay attention to color temperature shifts, and to utilize grays where ever possible.

>> No.1978598
File: 87 KB, 692x948, ic study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978598

>>1976373

bump

>> No.1978613

>>1978593
Could you elaborate more on the master studies and utilizing grays?

>> No.1978631

Looking good guys. Keep up the work!

>> No.1978638

>>1978613
>Master studies
Basically go out and find master paintings and study their use of color. Artrenewal.org is a great place to start, as they even have a list of the 100 or so most popular artists in their database. Focus on big, general color shapes and relationships first, then go in further to analyze the smaller color shapes and relationships.

>Utilizing grays
If you have a cool color (blue) and you want to make it warmer, instead of trying to shift the hue, try shifting mostly the saturation. The reverse is true as well: if you gray a warm color (red) it will become cooler. Using grays is a way to shift for example an orange to a blue without going through the adjacent colors on the color wheel. In short, making a color more or less gray is an easy and often useful way to relay temperature shifts in color.

Using grays smartly will allow your richer colors to pop without having to make them garishly saturated. The contrast in saturation makes things pop, and many times you don't need many different saturated colors.

>> No.1978644

>>1978638
Thank you very much

>> No.1978645

>>1978613
>>1978638
And to further clarify:
In most cases when you shift the temperature you will end up adjusting the hue a bit, the saturation a bit, and the value a bit. Some times you can accomplish the temperature shift you want mostly through saturation control, but there are also other times where predominantly a hue shift will work better. It's something that takes some experience and deliberate choices to get used to, but master studies and painting from life will help you internalize both realistic and aesthetic color relationships.

>> No.1978676
File: 227 KB, 561x784, wip1.5hour_1_11_15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978676

Alright I'm done with this. Make sure to comment the painting, like the painting and subscribe if you want to see paintings similar to this one.

>> No.1978740
File: 40 KB, 500x596, guystudy_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978740

Forgot to do the background first, I dont think I even reached likeness

>> No.1978762
File: 248 KB, 676x700, guy2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978762

>>1976373
how did i do?

>>1976530
noice

>> No.1978796
File: 1.43 MB, 1908x2286, Practice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978796

>>1976373

I've given up on painting until I learn to draw properly.

>> No.1978805

>>1978796
good idea. no hurry to paint. sometimes taking a year or two to just focus on drawing is the best thing you can do for your paintings.

>> No.1978851

>>1978805
>>1978796
I should do exactly this. But i miss painting sometimes and i end up doing a lot of polished turds

>> No.1978862

>>1978851
Spend only a fraction of your time doing paintings for fun, but keep your studies and practice exclusively drawing.

If you have issues with polishing turds, then don't allow yourself the liberty of bringing any of these paintings for fun to completion. Stay zoomed out - far more zoomed out than what you might be used to. Get it to a stage where it's as good as you can get it without zooming in, and call it done. That way you get to still have the fun of painting while minimizing the potential time-wasting aspects of it.

>> No.1978863

>>1978862
zoomed out? i thought we were talking about actual painting. like with brushes.

>> No.1978899
File: 223 KB, 1568x2248, Study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1978899

>>1976373
About 10 minutes in paint with a wonky mouse.

>> No.1978903

>>1978863
Well a lot of the principals of painting remain the same whether you're using traditional paints or if you're digitally painting. I assumed that "polished turds" implied working digitally, as you don't really have the freedom to constantly refine a traditional painting without having to scrape off what you laid down before. It's a lot more like starting over rather than refining and tweaking indefinitely.

For the 'zoomed out' suggestion, an analog with traditional paints would be to use exclusively larger brushes and possibly a smaller canvas.

>> No.1979007
File: 166 KB, 620x640, photo (28).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979007

smokey mc poutey face

>> No.1979018

>>1978638
Thank you for this information, could you tell me/show me a picture where this technique is being sucessfully applied?, i'd like to get a better idea of the end result of using grays.

>> No.1979042
File: 62 KB, 494x230, FaceColor_edited-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979042

>>1979018
This is one of the prototypical examples that come to mind. Take this picture and open it up in photoshop. Eyedrop every color you see. You'll find that every color shown has nearly the exact same hue. The variance in saturation, pulling colors closer to gray, has a cooling effect. The eyes seem blue, even though they're not. If you were to try to paint those eyes with a literal blue pigment, they might appear garish or inconsistent with the overall lighting.

>> No.1979047
File: 468 KB, 1590x1600, Manchess_Nude1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979047

>>1979018
>>1979042
You also see it a lot in figure paintings, usually when cool lights are involved, or if there's a clear distinction between light and shadow color temperature as you often have outdoors on a sunny day.

This one has some true blue pigments, but a lot of the cooler shades you see here are still reds in hue - just subdued towards gray. Use the eyedropper to confirm.

One of the key ideas is when you want to cool a warm color (orange for example), graying it out will often suffice. If that new cool shade of desaturated orange needs to be further cooled, then you can now incorporate a sudden and strong hue shift. You might have something like a medium saturation orange cooled to a low saturation orange, then that low saturation orange cooled to a low saturation blue/purple.

Basically, using grays allows you finer control over color temperature while keeping your palette relatively consistent. Once you're in the grays you can now make a sharp hue jump, but it won't appear that way to the viewer because you're going from a grayed orange to a grayed blue.

>> No.1979056

>>1978899
Apply yourself 110% percent or get the fuck off /ic/.

>> No.1979059
File: 160 KB, 1200x893, Mike Malm-Portrait of a Young Girl-2009-sold.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979059

>>1979018
>>1979042
>>1979047
Here's another example of grays used well in the skin. Notice how rich her ear seems in color. Now eyedrop that and see how close to gray it actually is. It appears vibrant because the surrounding skin is even further into the grays. The background is rich and warm, and this saturation contrast makes the head pop even without a lot of value contrast.

In fact, the skin overall is largely neutral towards the light side of the value scale - there aren't any real bright brights, but it still works very well because of how strong the control is over subtle color and value changes.

If you eyedrop parts of the skin, you'll find grayed hues that are even green and purple! Not what you'd typically think of as believable skin color. If the rest of the environment is handled correctly to give an illusion of a certain temperature for the primary and ambient light sources, then it will read correctly and believably. Color is all about getting the relationships correct, and not necessary the absolute color used. Using grays to their full advantage helps a lot.

I guess the main point is to not think of gray as one end of a spectrum from dull to rich color. Instead, think of it as an intermediate between two separate color scales. Your rich blue gets progressively desaturated until you reach the grayed blues, those grayed blues transition to grayed oranges (or any other color you want), and from there become increasingly saturated until you reach a rich orange.

>> No.1979065

>>1979018
And another tip:

When dealing grays, you often have to incorporate much more drastic hue shifts than you might be accustomed to. This is why you have purples, greens, reds, etc all in the grays of this portrait >>1979059 , but in the end it all looks harmonious and close together. When you're painting something high in saturation, you don't have the same liberty in terms of adjusting hue without it looking like a change in local color or a change in light source.

>> No.1979068
File: 290 KB, 1065x1500, 1423576374779.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979068

>>1976373
rate my skills /ic/

>> No.1979071 [DELETED] 
File: 1.58 MB, 2480x3508, owmuhstrabismus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979071

2lazy to finish it

>> No.1979075
File: 46 KB, 679x960, owmystrabismus2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979075

>> No.1979080

>>1979065
>>1979059
>>1979047
>>1979042

Hey, >>1978613 here again.
Really appreciate all the effort you went through to explain this, illustrated really well

>> No.1979089
File: 870 KB, 846x1000, clayface.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979089

he started to look like tom cruise in vanilla sky.

>> No.1979096

>>1979089
Which brush are you using?
I like your color palette btw

>> No.1979104

>>1979042
>>1979047
>>1979059
>>1979065

I also want to thank you again for your rich explanation, you've showed me a new concept of which I knew almost nothing about.

>> No.1979106
File: 2.54 MB, 1920x1080, present.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979106

>>1978598

>> No.1979114

>>1979080
>>1979104
No problem

>> No.1979136

>>1978593
>>1978638
>>1978645
>>1979042
>>1979047
>>1979059
>>1979065
Makes me want to study the op picture again/10
Excellent post anon

>> No.1979150
File: 43 KB, 200x950, dfgdh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979150

>>1979096
Thank you!
I'm using Sai, this is my brush setting.

>> No.1979164

>>1977956
this is pretty.

>> No.1979287
File: 287 KB, 710x1000, cig-dude.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979287

In hindsight I probably shouldn't have attempted crosshatching without having a clear understanding of the facial volumes, but hey, can't learn anything if you don't try.

>> No.1979300
File: 575 KB, 1415x2000, 1423576374779dd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979300

>> No.1979303

>>1979300
i'm not sure you are talented or just p-basher

>> No.1979305

>>1979303
Or hardworker ;)

>> No.1979306

>>1979303
I'm not bashing or anything. I used to draw a lot of portraits of celebs, but in everything else i suck.

>> No.1979311

>>1979306
Yeah I can tell you're not bashing, it's definitely different from the original. Well, you are definitely great at celeb portraits. Don't give up bro.

>> No.1979314

>>1979311
Thanks, man. I'm learning to draw properly from basics now.

>> No.1979315

>>1979306
Ok i do believe in you. If you can do that you can do anything else if you work on them. Stop copying portraits and start this "anything else"

>> No.1979329
File: 100 KB, 600x871, portrait-min.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979329

All those still life drawings were worth it

>> No.1979347

could anyone post their process with a tablet?

thank you kindly.

>> No.1979360

>>1979347
>This
Trying to learn to render, I feel like I'm missing something crucial because it's not working for me whatsoever.

>> No.1979363

Heres mine :3

>> No.1979367
File: 253 KB, 600x600, STUDYYù.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979367

>>1976373

>> No.1979402
File: 861 KB, 1500x2190, 4chan Study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979402

>> No.1979422

>>1979106
top kek

>> No.1979446

>>1979056
I did apply myself to the fullest of my abilities in the time I allotted myself with the tools available to me. Check your anger at the door, that's how I do portraits.

>> No.1979479
File: 437 KB, 678x907, paulie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979479

>> No.1979480

>>1979479

shit, wrong thread

>> No.1979524
File: 166 KB, 800x800, study 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979524

Starting with lines again, really can't start with value blocks

>> No.1979570

I just realized that starting a study thread is a great way to get a free self portrait

>> No.1979571

>>1979570
You dont want to post your face on 4chan

>> No.1979575

>>1979570
>free self portrait
wat

>> No.1979581

>>1979575
>he doesn't charges himselft for his selfportraits
is like you don't wan't to become a pro

>> No.1979592

>>1979581
you know what I mean

>> No.1979663

>>1979571
Go tell that to /soc/

>> No.1979757
File: 466 KB, 727x1011, qt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1979757

Wasn't very easy, don't know why.

>> No.1979902

>>1977284

His pin is awesome

>> No.1979937

>>1977301
>>1979902
thanks guise <3 guess ill go on painting pins

>> No.1980160
File: 472 KB, 459x613, study3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980160

i may be a little late for this one hehe
how the fuck can i get my values and line work better?

>> No.1980421
File: 84 KB, 569x768, study woo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980421

>>1980160
Dunno. Try to consider the value range of your media. If you can't get a strong black like in the reference you need to move the 'value scale' of your drawing back. I.e. the darkest you can go with your pencil should be applied to the darkest area of the photo.

Try to keep a strong light/shadow separation. Reflected light in the shadows should not be confused with halftones of the light side; (i.e. the reflected light in the shadow should not be lighter than the halftone of the light side. )

It is a good idea to consider reflected light as a part of the shadow. This helps form read better as well.

For lines I would say practice with various ball-point pens and pigment pens. You will eventually get the skill to achieve better lines, when you want them. You could also focus especially on line and forget about value, or vice versa for practicing value. This will make practice more efficient and the results of your studies will reflect the focus of thinking.

Lastly, for traditional its easy to make mistakes and not be able to fix them, especially with ink. So don't be afraid to start another drawing because you see a big mistake you made, your process was incorrect/lazy, or there's something you think you can do better. When doing digital it's as simple as starting another layer when you want to correct something, but this is not the case for traditional, so keep that in mind.

Here you can see me with a poor first attempt, a better second attempt, and a side-attempt that failed miserably.

>> No.1980440
File: 516 KB, 476x685, Good Enough M8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980440

>>1976530
Here you go I hope I'm part of the cool kids now weeeeee

>> No.1980454

>>1977956
Great energy, is cree. Dont have fear. And those purples in the skin is ver y unique. You should try something more more risky like bacón or dakooning.

>> No.1980502
File: 483 KB, 708x1000, ic study 2 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980502

>>1980421
Here's my digital one that I started yesterday

>> No.1980513

>>1980440
>borderline shitposting
please stop anon. I'm sure this one would have been not as bad without that eyebleedingly awful effect

>> No.1980524

>>1976881
cigarettes to small, looks like a Popsicle stick, thumbnail makes his head look massive.

>> No.1980532

>>1980513
>eyebleedingly awful
drama queen. why don't you go throw yourself on a fainting couch.

>> No.1980573

>>1980502
>random brush strokes to make it look painterly.
listen anon, its either painterly or it is not.
don't complete a whole image and then at the end aimlessly shove brush strokes through it to boost its appeal.
it hinders its appearance.

>> No.1980588
File: 438 KB, 443x661, 9209483c71db0f8f20445e6d03e63d02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980588

>>1980513
it looks really drab without it though.

>> No.1980591

>>1980588
did you even look at the refrence? your proportions are fucked. the cigarette is nowhere near that size in the reference. what the fuck colors were you trying to use too. there's no harmony here.
Please for the love of god read
>>1978638
>>1979042
>>1979047
>>1979059
before you do anything else or just hang yourself to purge this world of cancer. its not like anyone would miss you faggot

>> No.1980605

>>1980591
a little harsh but I guess your right

>> No.1980610

>>1980591
>for the love of god read
i will do it for muh boi gsus

>> No.1980616
File: 147 KB, 443x661, 1423817284917.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980616

>>1980588
one of the reasons it looks so drab in comparison is that the effect you are applying give a hint of saturation between the midtones making the shade variation more appealing.
Also saturate a bit between shade.
Not sure how realistic it is but it tends to make the eye happy

>> No.1980753
File: 411 KB, 951x1370, study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980753

>> No.1980862
File: 79 KB, 654x634, sketch 2-13-15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1980862

>> No.1980869

>>1980862

looks clean man.

>> No.1980871

>>1980862
>thinkin bout that sex change

>> No.1980951

>>1980440
This looks like Sylvester Stallone

>> No.1981153

>>1980573
thanks for the advice, i get what you're trying to say, I'll make sure I harmonize my brushstrokes completely.

>> No.1981682
File: 113 KB, 400x610, fugfACE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1981682

I like how the thumb looks... but up close it's all meh.

How can I make the brushstrokes work with me and not against me?

>> No.1981684

>>1981682
looks like a jazz album

>> No.1981905

Try capturing the form with the brush, paint like your adding color to a mold of the image not a plane surface.
try layering different stroke directions within the same stroke line.
Just a couple ideas, good luck Anon.

>> No.1982602
File: 587 KB, 1400x1986, 20150214_study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1982602

>>1976373
I used an asano reference too

>> No.1982808

>>1977613
As if the classics weren't sexually provocative. Someone literally jerked off on to Praxiteles' Aphrodite of Cnidus.

>> No.1982999
File: 772 KB, 1944x1944, IMG_20150214_214330.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1982999

30 min sketch with 4b pencil. would like crit on likeness and rendering. much thanks in advance.

>> No.1983003

>>1982999
the lips are a poor likeliness. congratulations on not chinking/fagging up the eyelids like 80% of all the other attempts.

>> No.1983094

>>1983003
>fagging up
Maybe you're just gay, son.

>> No.1983138
File: 447 KB, 831x1062, face.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1983138

not quite the same

>> No.1984352
File: 748 KB, 1944x2592, ZgkDS9f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1984352

>>1977551
This is the first sketch I've done in years. Critique welcome!

>> No.1984574

>>1976530
Reminds me of Monkey Island.
10/10

>> No.1984820
File: 1.33 MB, 1545x1933, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1984820

I guess I need to study more.

>> No.1984880

>>1976373
Im in love with this guy

>> No.1985210
File: 50 KB, 800x800, study1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1985210

>> No.1985224
File: 397 KB, 1080x1752, statue porn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1985224

>>1977321
>>1977890
>>1977956

joocy

>> No.1985801

>>1977706
Not that anon but whats the difference between copying and study? How do you know you're doing one from the other?

>> No.1985813

>>1985801
generally copying is when you just look at where the tones are and try to put them in the same place with the same shape in your copy.

studying is where you interpret the subject and work out why that tone is there and what the underlying structure and design is.

in the olden days when copying paintings was actually an industry in itself copying included the definition of studying above. after-all if you're trying to copy paintings as quickly as possible it's better just to work out how the artist does things and do 'em that way yourself instead of trying to make everything exactly the same.

>> No.1985815

>>1985801
I suppose copying is about treating the flat image as a texture instead of a photograph of a three dimensional shape in a lit environment.

>> No.1985819

>>1985813
So copying is just putting down what you see, not really knowing why it looks like that but put it down anyway cause it looks pretty while studying is trying to figure out why it looks that way (ie: figure out the simple shapes, blocking in and then to more complex details as per perspective/proportion/form/etc) using learned knowledge and not just eye-balling it?

>> No.1985828

>>1985819
yep, 100% correct.

>> No.1987990

>>1976739
If I had that philosophy I'd never be able to draw anyone.

>> No.1988157
File: 112 KB, 754x1024, 1421250725785.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1988157

>> No.1988165
File: 629 KB, 974x887, 063$`TCMG8BYM}N4I3SCK6J.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1988165

i know..

>> No.1988203

>>1979367
cute

>captcha : anume

>> No.1988263

>>1976881
small cig and he's mixed black and white now, but being that I am mixed I'm okay with that. I like this

>> No.1988274
File: 436 KB, 700x986, ayy-lmao.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1988274

quick and dirty

>> No.1988280

>>1988274
>quick and dirty
that's what she said, hehehe

>> No.1988939

Would be cool if he had surroundings

>> No.1989054

>>1976530
How do you make these sort of colorful edges?? Please I'm desperate to know even just what it's called...

>> No.1989056

>>1989054
chromatic abberation you faggot. literally even the artist commented on it

>> No.1989143
File: 563 KB, 589x928, prac.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1989143

trying xDUU

>> No.1989230

>>1989056

I am a faggot and didn't read thank you.

>> No.1989722

>>1979075
I like this a lot.