/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.1944455]

How long does it take for a complete noob like me to be able to paint like KR0NPR1NZ.

[Anonymous No.1944467]

>>1944455
Less than an year if you're clever. Buy a tablet, learn how to use effects and filters, download a texture brush pack, breeze through the fundamentals- head drawing, bit of color theory, maybe some composition and keep reading doujinshi.

[Anonymous No.1944468]

5 years
2 if you're srsneet

[Anonymous No.1944473]

>>1944467
>keep reading doujinshi

Lol, well played sir...

[Anonymous No.1944475]

I don't really like that KR0NPR1NZ guy...
He's always drawing the same stuff... It's cool in the beginning, but after some time it gets really boring...

[Anonymous No.1944477]

holy shit he drew Rinko..hhnnngngngnng

[Anonymous No.1944480]

>>1944473
I wasn't kidding, sex sells. Find ways to make the same product seen in a different light and you'll rake in the cash.

>>1944475
That's not really the point. For every one of you, he gains a good chunk of people to admire him back. He doesn't need to change or do anything different for a while. It's a marketing technique.

[Anonymous No.1944481]

about a year and half

[Anonymous No.1944484]

>>1944467
>learn how to use effects and filters
>texture brush pack
B-but thats cheating!

[Anonymous No.1944486]

>>1944484

It is cheating, though. That's why only art plebs like kron. Real artists look down on that shit.

[Anonymous No.1944488]

>>1944484
>>1944486
Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but you can sit here and shit on him all day, meanwhile he's making tons of cash. That's the reality of it. He is making tons of cash and you're not. So instead of shitting on him or taking the moral high ground, don't, keep calm, quiet, take a piece of the humble pie and get good yourself. Make a step back and realize that you will be ahead in the long run if you put in the time and effort to practice instead of arguing about meaningless issues on the internet.

[Anonymous No.1944493]

>>1944481
That looks awful

[Anonymous No.1944494]

>>1944493
Of course it does. The secret to making heads everyone will like is to paint fashion model studies, or just any sluts from instagram.

[Anonymous No.1944495]

>>1944488
what if i make tons of cash on my work unrelated to art and art is just my hobby?
Check and mate, atheist

[Anonymous No.1944496]

>>1944481
i remember this
it was a paintover an anon did in the animu thread a while ago

[Anonymous No.1944497]

>>1944495
Then you are a hobbyist and you're an outsider to the struggle, and that's perfectly fine, do whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.1944501]

>>1944480
Yeh, I know what you mean, and I do agree that he must be stacking those bills, but still... It gets boring... (just saying tho', not hating on the guy)

[Anonymous No.1944504]

>>1944486
>It is cheating, though. That's why only art plebs like kron. Real artists look down on that shit.

What a crock of shit. "Real" artists use whatever methods are at their disposal to achieve the closest representation of their imagination, the only time cheating becomes relevant is when the end product suffers.

[Anonymous No.1944505]

easiest method to color lineart that looks badass and not cheap, gogogo

[Anonymous No.1944507]

>>1944493
jelly?

[Anonymous No.1944508]

>>1944455
800000 hours
>>1944467
Yet I hardly see anyone here with that level of skill
Does it mean /ic/ is full of newbs or dumb people?

[Anonymous No.1944510]

>>1944508
>Does it mean /ic/ is full of newbs or dumb people?

More like full of people with integrity that refuses to pander to plebs and take the easy way out.

[Anonymous No.1944511]

>>1944508
these aren't good artists, these are people who want to learn to be artists. big difference.

[Anonymous No.1944515]

>>1944507
Why would I be? it looks awful.
Are you dumb or something?

[Anonymous No.1944516]

>>1944515
post your work fagget

[Anonymous No.1944528]

>>1944511
what's the correct way then?

[Anonymous No.1944530]

>>1944528
mean to
>>1944510

[Anonymous No.1944537]

>>1944528
>>1944530

Learn how to paint traditionally. Don't use digital as a crutch and rely on filters and photobashing and shit. Real artists who aren't photobashing or pandering hacks that rely on over processed bustshots learned how to paint just like how the old masters did.

[Anonymous No.1944539]

>>1944508
Both.

[Anonymous No.1944540]

>>1944510
>take the easy way out.

My sides.

Tone down the elitism, then maybe you can learn a thing or two from people who are actually artistically better than you in every aspect.

[Anonymous No.1944544]

>>1944540
Ok now you're just pushing it. He's not better than that guy in every aspect. These posts are the reason I made this post >>1944488

Can OP delete this cancerous thread already?

[Anonymous No.1944547]

>>1944537
So you say the correct way to make art is to copy the old masters' methods and those who don't are hacks and not real artists?

[Anonymous No.1944551]

>>1944547

They're considered masters for a very good reason, m8.

[Anonymous No.1944552]

ITT: people bite the baits again and again

[Anonymous No.1944556]

>>1944547
Everything that's being done today, even with the digital works has already been seen throughout the millenia. Go listen to some pete rock, the old to the new, the new to the old.

[Anonymous No.1944557]

>>1944552

I know, people actually considering kron to be anything other than reprehensible garbage is just giant bait. As much as I try to show them the error of their ways the pleb mindset is just too ingrained into these poor souls. If they keep up their shit they'll soon go into other hack shit like disney/anime art and photobashing.

[Anonymous No.1944558]

Yeah he migh tbe better than me now, at least I'm not a disgusting ginger. I can always git gud, he'll always be disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1944561]

I kinda feel bad because I mentioned kron not having enough hate threads in the other thread and now that idiot (still think it's dan) went on and started a thread about him.
Don't get me wrong I feel bad for the board not for kron or any other hack.

[Anonymous No.1944564]

I think he's a decent artist in his own right.
/ic/ is just mad that the guy became so famous.

[Anonymous No.1944566]

>>1944455
Not long considering pic in op is really bad.

[Anonymous No.1944570]

>>1944566

This. There are so many things wrong with that facial structure that there isn't even any point in redlining it.

[Anonymous No.1944573]

>yeah bro should only take like 1 year his art is shit
>meanwhile everybody on /ic/ is deviantart tier

[Anonymous No.1944578]

>>1944573

>go to deviantart
>filter to newest first
>refresh
>go to ic
>open draw thread
>compare the work

/ic/ isnt spectacular but cmon.

OT: I've been seeing this guys name a lot on /ic/ over the past month and never before fhat. Did he suddenly get super popular or something? I can sort of see how, that painting looks like discount sakimichan.

[Anonymous No.1944580]

>>1944561
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are infact people in the Industry that do lurk on /ic/ and they make threads such as this one in order to distract or cause a shitstorm or subtly promote their work.

Keep a vigilant eye out, do not let these shills fool you.

[Anonymous No.1944581]

>>1944578
He just went on Patreon and is earning almost 10k a month doing shitty art in his free time.

[Anonymous No.1944582]

>>1944581
>almost 10k a month doing shitty art in his free time.

If only I had just 4 months of this I can get out of my student loan debt and stop worrying about interest fucking me every waking day and take a huge load off my shoulders.

[Anonymous No.1944583]

>>1944580
>Industry professionals with a keen judgement are using /ic/ as a viral advertising platform by cleverly trashing themselves to raise their own profile
>Or... it's just 4chan being 4chan, full of half-witted idiots running their mouths as usual

Hrm... I think I'll go with option number two.

[Anonymous No.1944584]

>>1944580
Got any proof of that?
I can also say Mullins is the leader of that pro shill cult that rules the world of concept art to impose an art monopoly

[Anonymous No.1944586]

>>1944581

I think the patreon thread was the first one I saw yea.

Funny how some d/ic/ks talk about how easy it is to pander to an audience and amass followers and some others get so mad when someone pulls it off.

[Anonymous No.1944587]

>>1944583
Nice try Luvisi

[Anonymous No.1944590]

>>1944455
nobody paints like kr0npr1nz.

[Anonymous No.1944601]

>>1944583

4chan is one of the most popular websites on the internet on top of there being several examples of shilling all over the place. Hell, half the reason /pol/ was shit was shilling from several political organizations going on AT THE SAME TIME. Honestly you'd have to be an idiot NOT to shill here at one point or another.

[Anonymous No.1944604]

>>1944601
you do indeed sound like a typical /pol/ conspiracy idiot.

[Anonymous No.1944606]

>>1944604

It's mostly true though. Even if JIDF was just a bunch of clever trolling done by unaffiliated people you had a bunch of stormfront shilling and some libertarian/gold standard shilling as well. Why do you think Ron Paul was such a big deal?

[Anonymous No.1944608]

>>1944606
The best part is you actually believe the shit you spew.

[Anonymous No.1944610]

>>1944606
>Why do you think Ron Paul was such a big deal?

Because he makes a hilarious meme.

Seriously, when running for the Republican ticket he openly advocated for the legalization of heroine and the disbandment of the Federal Reserve. It was like watching a politician be an hero.

[Anonymous No.1944611]

>>1944608

It's true, though. Stormfront was REALLY into shilling /pol/ when it was first created. Why do you think it turned from 4chan-but-with-politics to a Neo-Nazi haven?

[Anonymous No.1944613]

>>1944604

[Anonymous No.1944628]

>>1944508
/ic/ is full of people who are the "stop liking what I don't like" type as well as those who want to talk complete shit on someone else's work when they're not good themselves. At least here, they don't have to provide any proof of their skills or knowledge so they can feel superior without having to be superior.

[Anonymous No.1944630]

>>1944628
>they don't have to provide any proof of their skills or knowledge

That is how merc_wip got started.

[Anonymous No.1944635]

>>1944510
But /ic/ isn't exactly full of people tackling amazingly deep and innovative subject matters either. Most people seem to post the exact same shit all these oh so overrated illustrators do, only worse.

[Anonymous No.1944637]

>>1944508
>Yet I hardly see anyone here with that level of skill

Because we dont post our work here, we dont want to be associated with this shithole.

[Anonymous No.1944639]

>>1944537
The old masters didn't have this technology. It's kind of hard to compare. With the level of perfectionist most of the "masters" were, I guarantee you that they would have loved to have Photoshop and a graphics tablet.

>>1944551
It's not because they chose paint over digital. Nor is it because they did realism Hell, Salvador Dali is considered a master. They're masters based on their skill-level and knowledge, not the medium or subjects they choose.

>>1944570
It's supposed to be that way. Just because you don't like the exaggeration of the features, doesn't mean others don't.

[Anonymous No.1944641]

>>1944582
then forget all the dumb shit /ic/ told you and learn how to draw and render attractive, slightly stylized portraits. No one on /ic/ can do it and that's how to make money with patreon and private client commissions.

[Anonymous No.1944643]

>>1944637
Yeah. That must be what it is. It almost makes perfect sense and doesn't sound like a neckbeard excuse to not free his drawing hand from his dick and actually learn anything.

[Anonymous No.1944646]

>>1944639
>It's supposed to be that way. Just because you don't like the exaggeration of the features, doesn't mean others don't.

Nah. Its

>I dont know how to draw face properly so I'll just do this cartoony shit, put thousand filters on it and pretend I know how to draw

[Anonymous No.1944651]

>>1944537
>pandering

There's that word again. You realize your beloved masters were constantly pandering to the nobility and rich patreons, right? You seriously think Sargent was doing hundreds of portrait commissions for ugly, rich old men because he genuinely felt that was his big calling in art?

Naturally manchildren and neets like you won't understand this, but if you want to a living with art, you have to produce art that people like to see and there is absolutely nothing remotely morally bad about that. Even the old masters did it by pandering to the church.

[Anonymous No.1944652]

>>1944643
But it's the perfect excuse.

Afterall, if Anon#23523 actually was any good they definitely wouldn't want to be associated with this shit hole.

But if they're shit like everyone else, the only "proof" of their great abilities is to not post.

[Anonymous No.1944656]

>>1944641
>render attractive, slightly stylized portraits

You say that as if that's the easy part. I'll stick to rendering sphered k thnx.

[Anonymous No.1944660]

>>1944643
"Learn anything"? Why would I try to learn anything from some random scrubs on this board when most of you fuckers here don't even get paid to paint every day?

[Anonymous No.1944661]

>>1944646
The fact that you believe a fucking filter could make or break an image already shows how little you know about art.

[Anonymous No.1944663]

>>1944646
The cartoony shit you speak of requires a solid understanding of facial features. A skilled artist knows what to emphasize and what to fade out. A skilled artist knows how to adjust ratios and proportions to their knowledge to properly stylize their subjects.

But you probably don't get it, since your post reeks of amateur.

[Anonymous No.1944664]

>>1944663

But anon that wasn't proper stylization. It's uncanny shit with a bunch of filters and processing done to it.

[Anonymous No.1944669]

"I am jelly"

the thread.

[Anonymous No.1944670]

>>1944669
will retards ever stop spamming this meme

[Anonymous No.1944671]

>>1944669

Nope. I'm jelly of da vinci, i'm jelly of Sargent, i'm jelly of Rembrandt. Kron is a fucking shit flinging monkey compared to those greats.

[Anonymous No.1944672]

>>1944641
>then forget all the dumb shit /ic/ told you and learn how to draw and render attractive, slightly stylized portraits

Like Firez?

[Anonymous No.1944675]

>>1944664
You keep using these terms like buzzwords. Absolutely reek of amateur.

[Anonymous No.1944678]

>>1944675

Calling someone an amateur despite no concrete evidence on your part? How amateur of you :^)

Anyone with an iota of artistic talent and taste can easily recognize how shitty a hack like kron is.

[Anonymous No.1944679]

>>1944671
yet you can't even surpass kronz

>>1944670
stay mad and jelly

[Anonymous No.1944681]

>>1944678
>:^)

every opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.1944687]

never

[Anonymous No.1944692]

>>1944656
It's not easy, that's the thing. Most noobs on /ic/ just don't want to admit it or they can't judge their own work objectively. I guarantee you if we had a thread where everyone on /ic/ who believes they are so much better than those "pandering hacks" tried to be like Kron or Sakimichan and did a simple, clean and appealing stylized portrait, the reality check would be fucking hilarious.

You'd have a bunch of people failing completely at the drawing stage because they can't construct a face at all without having the exact Loomis proportions and even that they can't get right.
You'd have people trying to be clever and using photo reference and end up with something that looks like a muddy photostudy with creepily big eyes.
You'd have people who might handle the drawing well enough but completely lose all appeal during the rendering because they don't know shit about keeping it simple and clean.
Then of course you'd have the wannabe anatomy masters who don't know shit all about stylization and just use whatever they have memorized without thinking and adapting, to draw an overdetailed monstrosity of a face that lacks any sort of appeal.
Then we'd have the Catbib / Ruanjia wannabes who make it look blurry as shit and use smudge and bleeding edges on every spot where they lost the drawing during the rendering....
Oh and the fancy Jaime Jones wannabes with their dirty ass texture brushes everywhere, thinking that is somehow going to make their painting look all painterly and stuff.

[Anonymous No.1944693]

>>1944678
Your remark over the painting inducing a sense of uncanny valley is arbitrary and isn't criticism. Something uncanny isn't inherently bad. Your other grief over filters is also moot in your overarching assertion that "this painting is shit" because it too is arbitrary. Photo filters will not make an artist's work look magically fantastic, there has to be a foundation of skill and knowledge behind it.

The fact you cannot discern subjective grievances apart from merited critique reads into your own ineptitude. Throwing out a melange of terms you aren't intimately related with also outs you as an amateur.

[Anonymous No.1944697]

>>1944672
Firez isn't very good at it though. Not even close to Kron for example. but yeah, Firez will probably make money with his art much sooner than most others on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.1944699]

>>1944693
>Something uncanny isn't inherently bad

Uncanny is literally something unappealing to the masses because of how unsettling it looks. If that isn't inherently bad then you my friend need a fucking reality check. That face fucking looks like a irradiated abomination or a fucking alien monstrosity. It's trying to not be anime while keeping the worst parts of anime and mashing them together without any semblance of taste. It's an affront to artists who actually take this shit seriously.

[Anonymous No.1944703]

>>1944699
>Uncanny is literally something unappealing to the masses because of how unsettling it looks

Then why does Kronz's work appeal to the masses? Riddle me that you tit. :^)

[Anonymous No.1944704]

>>1944703

Heavy use of photoshop filters that give it a more photographic look, durr. We've been over chormatic abbrevation and how shitty that trend is.

[Anonymous No.1944705]

>>1944692
>Oh and the fancy Jaime Jones wannabes with their dirty ass texture brushes everywhere, thinking that is somehow going to make their painting look all painterly and stuff
i've been on /ic/ for a very long time and i always hated these types. i even did studies with texture brushes to prove that it wasn't anything extraordinary.

[Anonymous No.1944708]

something about their work really bothers me, but what bothers me more is that i can't put my finger on it. seems like a something i'd find appealing too. dunno

[Anonymous No.1944709]

>>1944699
>something unappealing to the masses
is your opinion the opinion of the masses? because according to kr0n's followers, what he does IS appealing. so if your definition of uncanny is something unappealing, then his work is NOT uncanny. right?

[Anonymous No.1944710]

>>1944709
20k followers are not the masses.
Millions of people admire DaVinvi.
That's the real masses. get on that level.

[Anonymous No.1944711]

>>1944704
>heavy use of photographic filters
Except that wouldn't negate any sense of prevalent uncanny valley you knob. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.1944712]

>>1944704
so are you refusing to make your work appealing, then?

[Anonymous No.1944715]

>>1944709

plebs are more into polished turds than they are into well done art. that's a well established fact m8.

[Anonymous No.1944717]

This thread reminds me of a certain anitwitter person.

[Anonymous No.1944723]

>>1944710
>Millions of people admire DaVinvi.
Source?

[Anonymous No.1944726]

>>1944704
If you took a bad painting, like one of yours for example and put chromatic abberation and filters on top of it, it'd still look as unappealing and shitty as it did before.

[Anonymous No.1944730]

>>1944710
>more people admire the work of one of the world's most renowned artists than this one artist on dA, therefore he isn't popular
Keep the goalposts where they are kid. Kronz's work is popular to a wide demographic on the internet.

[Anonymous No.1944731]

>>1944715
Not really. If someone started painting fanart portraits with the skill of Sargent, he'd make a ton of money on patreon too. Thing is, you aren't one of those people. The reason why the "plebs" like Sakimichan or Kron and not your art is because they are good at SOMETHING, you are good at NOTHING. They sure aren't great at art, but they know how to draw appealing fances and they know enough about edge control to not make them look muddy and blurry. That's all it takes to be successful and you can't do it.

[Anonymous No.1944736]

>>1944455
did he use one of these dolls or modified real person's photo?
because it would be simpler to draw one of these.

[Anonymous No.1944738]

"I am jelly"

the thread

[Anonymous No.1944746]

>>1944738
That excuse is for crappy artists/fans that can't take criticism.

[Anonymous No.1944749]

>>1944736
This might come as a shock to you, but most professional artists don't need to copy everything from photos but are perfectly capable of doing some stylistic alterations all on their own.

[Anonymous No.1944751]

>>1944726
;)

[Anonymous No.1944752]

>>1944746
There's no criticism anywhere to be seen ITT. Amateurs bitching and whining about filters doesn't count as criticism. It's just their impotent way of trying to feel superior.

[Anonymous No.1944753]

>>1944749
i know.
but why draw a horse from a car if you can just use a horse instead?

[Anonymous No.1944755]

>>1944751
proving yourself wrong there, it actually looks worse. hurts to look at.

[Anonymous No.1944756]

>>1944752

So pointing out bullshit so others know not to follow is "bitching and whining" huh? I think someone spent too much time on tumblr to know what criticism is.

[Anonymous No.1944759]

>>1944751
You kind of prove my point there even though you are trying to be all clever and funny with your epic meme. This doesn't improve the merc_wip in the slightest bit, but actually makes it look worse and dirtier than it did before.

[Anonymous No.1944769]

>>1944756
Cry harder amateur.

[Anonymous No.1944770]

dat brush economy

[Anonymous No.1944772]

>>1944756
If you're talking about filters and CA here, then that matters nothing. It's completely irrelevant, you don't help anyone improve by pointing out that shit. I don't like it either to be honest, but it's just a matter of personal taste. Kron's work looks good without it, maybe it looks good DESPITE his abuse of that shit and would actually look better if he left that out.

[Anonymous No.1944776]

[Anonymous No.1944778]

>>1944770

dat photobashing

[Anonymous No.1944782]

>>1944778
Now you're just trolling.

[Anonymous No.1944811]

>>1944782
Don't give him too much credit, there are actually retards on /ic/ who genuinely believe anything that looks somewhat good and is done digitally is photobashing.

[Anonymous No.1944828]

>>1944811

That's because most of digital work is photobashed or digitally manipulated in some way.

[Anonymous No.1944830]

>>1944455
Why would you want to paint like this hack who's to scared to adventure out of his comfort zone of faces.

[Anonymous No.1944831]

>>1944828
Not really, but once again you've proven how much of a moron you are. Maybe 10% of all digital art is photobashing. Widen your horizon a bit you ignorant fuck.

Also, of course digital art is digitally manipulated.. how else would digital art be made? God your stupidity hurts my brain.

[Anonymous No.1944832]

>>1944811
Well when your judging the artist that draws the same face and only the same face all the time it's easy to point out of this guy actually knows any skills.

[Anonymous No.1944833]

>>1944830
>hurr muh comfort zone

The funny thing is, people who keep saying this don't even have a comfort zone. Meaning they are good at nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.1944834]

>>1944832
You might have face blindness. Sucks to be you I guess because that way you'll never become a good artist if every face looks the same to you.

[Anonymous No.1944836]

>>1944833

>imply being a 1 trick pony is good

Yea cause those people actually like trying new things and new ways to finish pieces rather than looping around in a circle constantly getting you no where. It's change/ experimenting that makes artist stronger and smart. It wont make them a one trick pony. How embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.1944839]

>>1944834
>KR0NPR1NZ
Were talking about this guy right?

[Anonymous No.1944841]

>>1944836
Being a one trick pony is better than being a useless no trick pony. You are the one who is getting nowhere and can't even draw and render a decent fucking face from imagination. That's why you are a shit tier amateur and no one would ever pay money for your art. Not because you are "experimental" and try to find new ways to finish pieces No one cares about that shit. Your results SUCK..

[Anonymous No.1944843]

Meh
I can totally paint like that if I try
I just don't want to!!!

[Anonymous No.1944844]

>>1944839
Yeah, I see plenty of different faces on his DA gallery. Many are stylized in a similar way, but clearly different. I really think you might have face blindness. Can you maybe post an example of 2 images of his that have the exact same face? (not being the same character)

[Anonymous No.1944845]

>>1944841
Do you even know what he can draw? I don't understand why you're baselessly assuming things about him.

[Anonymous No.1944846]

>>1944841
Calm the fuck down, Kron.

[Anonymous No.1944850]

How do you even do that chromatic aberration thing?

PS noob here.

[Anonymous No.1944853]

>>1944844

[Anonymous No.1944854]

>>1944586
Yep.

[Anonymous No.1944855]

I haven't seen a shitstorm like this since Teal and all they where doing was giving out redlines and helping with a good cause but here we have some random guy who uses filters and probably never set foot here and this shit happens.

>>1944850
Stop using filters. Stop abusing filters. Stop working with white backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.1944856]

>>1944855
in4 janitors

[Anonymous No.1944857]

>>1944853
So you really do have face blindness. I'm sorry, that must suck.

[Anonymous No.1944858]

Fuckit. I am trying to learn to color, and I have now come to the realization that to properly color the human body you have to know every single muscle and how it is shaped to properly add value. What is this magic? I thought drawing was hard, but this is fucking madness. Someone ease my mind.

[Anonymous No.1944859]

>>1944857
Why did I fall for this bait

[Anonymous No.1944860]

>>1944853
kron just made a fan.. dem lips

[Anonymous No.1944861]

>>1944858
Your thinking way to fucking much about it

[Anonymous No.1944862]

>>1944836
every good fine artist was a one inch pony.
besides, kr0n does draw from life and imagination sometimes, if you even bothered to look before passing judgement. he isn't always doing portraits, he also does full poses, backgrounds, has done a music video animation, draws people on trains, and of course studies.

[Anonymous No.1944863]

"I am jelly"

the thread

[Anonymous No.1944864]

>>1944863
Fuck outta here LuVishit

[Anonymous No.1944865]

>>1944586
This is what I love about /ic/. Everyone goes on and on about how fucking easy it is to do what these "hacks" are doing. Then when asked why they don't do it if it's so easy, they talk about integrity and shit. At the same time, we have a fucking porn thread where dozens of desperate artists are asking questions on how to make it in the furry porn "industry".

[Anonymous No.1944866]

>>1944862
KIDF is in full force.

[Anonymous No.1944867]

>>1944865
Welcome to 4chan newfag

[Anonymous No.1944869]

>>1944859
What bait? Those are very clearly 2 different faces. Similar style, different proportions of the facial features and different jaw shape.

[Anonymous No.1944875]

>>1944858
You don't need to know every single muscle, just the large forms. If you want to be perfect you should learn as much as you can, but just take it slow. It doesn't have to be perfect, at least not at first. The only people who will see the flaws are artists that are better than you.

[Anonymous No.1944884]

>>1944770
>faux brush economy actually being mistaken
Christ almighty. The kiddos really need to do their homework. Read and paint more fags.

[Anonymous No.1944886]

>>1944869
>Different proportions
>DIFFERENT JAW SHAPE

Ok kid you're shit when it comes to analyzing anything. The only thing that looks hardly different is the nose. Those two pics are the exact same structure as the next.

Take some figure drawing classes or read some loomis you might understand a bit.

[Anonymous No.1944889]

>another weekly Kron shill thread
Don't you have enough money, you filthy Rusky?

[Anonymous No.1944891]

Why do people always have to bring up the fact that whoever is making however much money in art
He's making that money because his audience are people that can't tell how bad he his.
If some idiot on the street gave me a million dollars because he thought my doodle was coll and just happened to have that much disposable cash that doesn't mean I'm a better artist than someone who did the same level drawing but didn't get any money.

Nobody on /ic/ wants to create this kind of art. /ic/ is about learning to draw professionally, this means having a good understanding of fundamentals to be able to create anything with with as much efficiency as possible.
Learning to draw a face from a single angle with stylized features and effects everywhere does not make you a professional artist.

[Anonymous No.1944915]

>>1944853
It really is pretty much the same face.

[Anonymous No.1944917]

>>1944891
your post is full of errors. i can see you put a lot of effort into creating this one fine big fat juicy bait.

[Anonymous No.1944918]

>>1944875
Thank you for this. You have calmed my nerves.

[Anonymous No.1944941]

>>1944855
I just want to know because it might be useful for some stuff like worm-view trees in sunlight or windows or shit.

If you don't use all the tools avaliable for the purpose of a better piece you're an idiot crippling your own progress.

[Anonymous No.1944942]

>>1944455

A shame he paints boring standard stylized girls.

[Anonymous No.1944949]

I'm guesstimating but out of the 35 posters in this thread less than 4 hold a candle to KR0N. Get back to getting good you peasants.

[Anonymous No.1944952]

>>1944949
Those 4 being the only ones who can tell how shit he is. Rest being his patreon donators trying to justify where their donation.

[Anonymous No.1944959]

>>1944455
everything below the head (neck and clavicles) are too detailed for the style he's going for and actually looks creepy. it's not the size of eyes that bothers me, face looks great. there is a complete lack of any wrinkled or bony protrusions, but the neck is so creepy, it looks anorexic, way too long, detailed, and doesn't fit with the face at all.

[Anonymous No.1944963]

>>1944952

This man speaks the fucking truth. It takes a well trained eye to see past the polishing to see it for the giant turd he really is.

[Anonymous No.1944994]

"I am jelly"

the thread

[Anonymous No.1945003]

>>1944994

"I am butthurt because /ic/ doesn't like the artist i give money to"

the post

[Anonymous No.1945004]

Ten thousand hours of uninterrupted study.

[Anonymous No.1945014]

makes me feel like drawing porn isn't as profitable as I once thought and now I'm stuck drawing it since I've already made a name for myself.

Well who am I kidding I want to draw porn anyways. I just wish it was more marketable

[Anonymous No.1945017]

How many followers do you guys have on DA/Pixiv?

[Anonymous No.1945018]

>>1945014
maybe you need to cater to a different demographic?

[Anonymous No.1945021]

>>1945017
2

one of those is my dummy account

[Anonymous No.1945023]

>>1945018
What demographic can give me 120k plus a year, by just drawing porn I want and not have to draw people's furry OCs licking eachother's assholes from the inside

[Anonymous No.1945025]

>>1945017
I have about 13k followers on tumblr, I ignore d.a and pixiv since it's harder to market there.
and I just plain hate deviantart.

[Anonymous No.1945026]

>>1945023
I've considered this myself... would you not make a killing with furry though? maybe you could begin under a different name.

[Anonymous No.1945027]

>>1945025
>tumblr

[Anonymous No.1945028]

>>1945027
I hate DA myself, what do you use?

[Anonymous No.1945031]

>>1945026
I've already drawn light furry stuff (not too anthro, and straight vanilla sex) basically catgirl+. even that got me lots of new followers, but also a lot of old fans getting buttmad.

[Anonymous No.1945032]

>>1945028
Pixiv.
It's like a cat, you have to EARN their love.
1k followers

[Anonymous No.1945033]

>>1945032
huh, I've been considering to make the switch, how is the murican speaking demographic in Pixiv? and how does one get clients there, do they just come to you after posting regularly?

[Anonymous No.1945037]

>>1945033
Depending of your demographic.
For what I do, I mostly get japanese users, and I know japanese. I've gotten a handful of job offers there.
Best way to market yourself is to make it to the rankings, but that's hard to achieve at first.
If you tag your works properly, and if they're actually good, it will eventually happen soon.

As for the murrikan population, I'm pretty sure it's way larger than it was a few years ago. There's now even a full english version of the site.

[Anonymous No.1945048]

>>1945037
uhm... I would imagine that you would need to keep up with the trends from there to get ranked.

I'll give it a go, although the language barrier may be an issue with the tags and other shenanigans. although who knows, maybe its a good opportunity for a new market, it may not be so bad, I've heard rumors that a lot of japanese schools already teach murikan to many people there.

[Anonymous No.1945051]

>>1944455
im pretty sure ive seen this picture before

[Anonymous No.1945056]

>>1945048
You should check the current weekly and daily ranking to see the sort of stuff that gets there.
Even the rookie ranking is hard at first.
But then again, it's mostly about how many followers you have, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to link your profile anywhere you can first.

[Anonymous No.1945074]

>>1945056
uhm... never really had a following so I'll be doing this from zero, I've always drew for myself, but lately I want to get out there and make a name for myself and see how far I can get. may I ask what is your username? I would like to see your work.

[Anonymous No.1945075]

>>1945014
>I'm stuck drawing it since I've already made a name for myself
You're stuck doing nothing.
Do what you want. At life, in general. Cunt.

[Anonymous No.1945076]

>>1945075
amen.

[Anonymous No.1945090]

"I am jelly"

the thread

[Anonymous No.1945093]

>>1945090
Fuck up we already heard you Rapoza

[Anonymous No.1945095]

>>1945017
I don't even know how to get followers on tumblr or how many I have.
I'm social-media ignorant.

[Anonymous No.1945097]

>>1945032
We need a new social media sharing thread.

[Anonymous No.1945125]

>>1944770
>brush economy
this is basic shit every painter should know.

[Anonymous No.1945129]

>>1945023
14 - 25 70% male 30% female as long as it's somewhat "classy"

[Anonymous No.1945131]

>>1945129
>30% female
no fucking way, that's waaay too high. more like 3%

[Anonymous No.1945176]

>>1945131
Actually there's a lot of females in the industry, western and Japanese artists. (myself included)
Its no surprise that a large chunk of the demographic consists of females as well.

[Anonymous No.1945178]

>>1945176
Uhh no, that's just SJW bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1945179]

10 years of hard work and practise.

[Anonymous No.1945198]

>>1945178
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.1945206]

"I am jelly"

the thread

[Anonymous No.1945222]

>>1945176
He was asking for demographic of followers/clients, not artists.

[Anonymous No.1945228]

>>1945222

Depends on demographics of websites your're on, honestly. If you're on places like 4chan or reddit it's going to be mostly male where as places like tumblr and pinterest are going to skew female.

[Anonymous No.1945234]

>>1944455
damn, that shit is 3D as fuck

[Anonymous No.1945247]

>>1944853
>The one on the right
That's not a woman, that's a cat.

[Anonymous No.1945301]

>>1944455
The worst thing about Kron is that he spawned Kron wannabees who just copy his style which is a mix of other styles.
So sad

[Anonymous No.1945302]

What I want to know is how much is 1 pic like that worth in a commission?

[gravyboat No.1945305]

>>1944736
>>1944455

[Anonymous No.1945307]

>>1945305
Good news OP! It won't take long at all!

[Anonymous No.1945309]

>>1945305
I'm confused as to the point of this post, kr0np1nz already said the OP drawing was a study. This isn't exactly news.

[gravyboat No.1945317]

>>1945309

ah, >>1944736 anon inquired whether it was a doll, or 'modified real person's photo".

I happened to have the reference photo saved somewhere, so I found it and posted it in answer, in the event that anon was monitoring and still curious.

[Anonymous No.1945323]

>>1945309
people are really stretching the definition of study these days

[Anonymous No.1945327]

>>1945323
define it right here right now then

[Anonymous No.1945348]

>>1945327
a study is a piece of work you do to study the subject, usually it's a very tight rendering and usually it's in preparation for a real picture.

basing your softly rendered click-bait on a photo isn't doing a study.

[Anonymous No.1945355]

>>1945348
this

>>1945327
a study is actually recreating the same subject, not stylizating it. in this case it's not a study, it's a reference.

[Anonymous No.1945358]

>>1944850

[Anonymous No.1945360]

>>1945358
why change it when it's actually better without it, i'm not even talking about taste here, the angles and lines are more defined in the original..the modified one looks blurry as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1945361]

>>1945358
>ruining pretty good drawing
Seriously, i love his works where he is not doing use this shit. And when he does original work and not fanart

[Anonymous No.1945369]

>>1945360
>>1945361
Because those who pay him can access to PSDs to see the original, unfiltered paintings.

[Anonymous No.1945389]

>>1945358
>shilling that hard

[Anonymous No.1945391]

>>1945348
>>1945355
Stop.

A good study is when you successfully applied whatever goal you have in mind basing from observation, understanding and analyzation of your reference.

It can be as loose or as tight; it doesn't need to be recreated to be the same subject; it can be fucking stylized because the purpose of a study is to understand. To understand whatever it is the artist needs to.

[Anonymous No.1945416]

>>1945358
This filter always hurts my eyes. Like some blurry filter.

Can't believe people would ruin art like this.

[Anonymous No.1945422]

>>1945416
I actually did this and now my eyes hurt.
Dude's gonna go blind in a blink.

[Anonymous No.1945426]

>>1945422
I wonder if there's an equivalent for traditional art.

[Anonymous No.1945427]

>>1945426
>>1945426
With enough care an artist could probably recreate it traditionally, its probably present in some photorealistic work too as a side effect from the use of photographic reference.

[Anonymous No.1945433]

>>1945427
I'll recreate you with enough help of your mom : D

[Anonymous No.1945435]

>>1945433
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.1945442]

>>1945391
is this guy trying to redefine what's a study and what's a reference ?

[Anonymous No.1945449]

>>1945348
>usually it's a very tight rendering.

Haha, no. That's just what the vast majority of noobs on /ic/ and amateur artists in general tend to do. Mindlessly copying a photo and trying to recreate it as perfectly as possible to then use it to brag on the internet about how awesome they are for recreating a fucking photo, without learning anything from it. Real artists do focused studies to learn from them, not to recreate the reference.

[Anonymous No.1945450]

>>1945442
yes and it's way better than your definition of it

>but muh copy study

top kek

[Anonymous No.1945453]

>>1944508
As soon as you get employment relating to art, you leave this shithole. Once it's your job, you move onto more professional communities, anonymous posting loses its satisfaction.

[Anonymous No.1945466]

>>1945450

if you keep the subject intact and reproduce it, that's a study.

if you use the subject to paint something different, that's a reference.

aint fucking difficult to understand.

[Anonymous No.1945471]

>>1945466
top kek

[Anonymous No.1945475]

>>1944486
top hate

[Anonymous No.1945476]

>>1945471
you can laugh as much as you want, I didn't decide that, if you can't even understand basic etymology than there's nothing to do about it.

[Anonymous No.1945479]

Work for entrance exam in art school, where KR0NPR1NZ studied

[Anonymous No.1945485]

>>1945449
Noah bradley is getting really good these days

[Anonymous No.1945488]

>>1945479
how old is he exactly ?

[Anonymous No.1945489]

>>1945488
19

[Anonymous No.1945496]

>>1945466
Kron didn't paint something different though. He used a reference of a face to paint the same face from the same angle and same lighting and just made a bunch of stylistic changes.

Is this no study either in your opinion because the artist made choices regarding edges and facial structure which are not an exact replication of the reference?

[Anonymous No.1945500]

>>1944468

[Anonymous No.1945501]

>>1944495
Do you want to be shitty at your hobby?

[Anonymous No.1945503]

>>1944537
And the old masters traced using camera obscuras and copied using grids made out of wood and string and shit.

I guarantee if any of them were alive today they'd be all over photobashing and filters and every dirty trick in the book.

[Anonymous No.1945504]

>>1945488
25 years

[Anonymous No.1945505]

>>1945489
no he's not

>>1945496
listen, you need to somehow stop sucking the cock. the GOAL of the piece was to get a cute little girly thing using the hair lighting and pose of the photo, not to reproduce it. that's what is called a fucking reference. what you posted is a study.

why the fuck can't you accept that what he did was using a reference instead of a study, is it that fucking bad ?

>ffs this guy

[Anonymous No.1945506]

>>1945505
Are you retarded? Neither the Ruanjia study nor the Kron study are an exact replica of the reference. The only difference is that one makes stylistic choices based on the anatomy of the face and the other makes artistic choices based on the edges and values. You are a fool, please stop talking about shit you clearly know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.1945509]

>>1945506
>2015
>artboard
>not being able to make a difference between a study and a reference.

I'm out

[Anonymous No.1945513]

Who's worse?
Sakimichan or KR0NPR1NZ?

[Anonymous No.1945515]

>>1945513
>that knee
>that left hand and arm
>that right arm

[Anonymous No.1945516]

>>1945513
Both are good

[Anonymous No.1945517]

>>1945516
Of course they are.

[Anonymous No.1945521]

I want to be like Sakimuchan when I grow up.

[Anonymous No.1945539]

>>1945521
>>1945517
now that's pretty fucking bad for a 25yo guy

[Anonymous No.1945547]

>>1945449
you see where i come from you'd call those sketches or thumbnails. a study would be a different thing. i also used "usually" for a reason.

really if i saw something like that labelled "a study of a dancer." rather than "a sketch of a dancer." I'd think it was mislabelled and I'm pretty sure so would any other painter who cared to notice.

but perhaps if you're using "study" only as a shorthand for "photo-study" then it's a different matter.

although i think if we have the words sketch,study and picture already formalized in art lingo then it's a bit of a shame to muddy the waters, but i guess change like that is fundamental to language. thus a definition is stretched until it snaps.

[Anonymous No.1945549]

>>1945539
post your stuff

[Anonymous No.1945558]

>>1945549
it's better than your and his stuff but you don't need to see it

[Anonymous No.1945561]

>>1945558

cmon I wanna see your shit

wtf did google just ask me to choose a cake for captcha?

[Anonymous No.1945576]

>>1945558
No post work, no reason. Go back to yours shit works

[Anonymous No.1945582]

>>1945558
no one needs to see it.

[Anonymous No.1945652]

>>1945547
Different anon here. I'd also call those color thumbnails. If they were done through studying a source, then I'd call those studies.

Regarding this whole tight rendering business, it really depends on what's being studied. You can study composition, value and even color very effectively by opting not to render very carefully. A study could end up looking like a thumbnail, a sketch, or a finished painting - it depends on what was being studied and how much time was dedicated to it.

[Anonymous No.1945739]

>>1945513
Sakimichan can can actually draw more than one face.

[Anonymous No.1945747]

>>1945547
The line between a sketch and a study are actually rather imprecise, and depend largely on the artist and frame of reference. What to you may be a sketch, another artist would consider a study, and really both of you would be correct. It all depends on what you're getting out of it, how precisely or loosely you keep to the subject you're studying doesn't matter. Viewing studies as rigid recreations for the sake of recreating is only going to be a detriment to you, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.1946018]

>>1944488
Was that supposed to be some kind of put-down? I'm sure there are prostitutes that make more money than me, plus there's no reason to believe that the same applies to this kron guy.

[Anonymous No.1946089]

>>1945539
She's still more likely to see print in a product than any of us.
So is Kron, and Algen (he already was) and even merc.wip guy.

We're the bottom of the fucking barrel and we're not gonna make it because we're here when we should be drawing.

[Anonymous No.1946106]

>>1945739
Lol no she can't. While not as same face as Kron, it's still close enough to the same that it's bad.

[Anonymous No.1946132]

>>1946089
that projection is worthy of the wall of lamentations, here you go, project all you want on it.

[Anonymous No.1946161]

>>1946132
It's even bigger in person.

[Anonymous No.1946162]

>>1945305
>>1944455
>this person gets paid 2 month's worth of my paychecks in a week to borderline trace uncanny valley anime girls from photographs

[Anonymous No.1946173]

>>1945747
yep yep, i didn't mean to imply that the definitions are very definitive :p as i said, that's how language works. although i will put in that they were more well defined when doing a study meant bringing different materials than you would for a sketch. and probably a different palette, anyway i found a textual reference to sum it up, i think it's expansive enough for everyone to agree on.

here we go,

>"Intent.—In this connection it would be well to bear in mind the purpose of the work on which the painter may be engaged. A man would, and should, work very differently on canvases intended for a study, a sketch, and a picture. The study would contain many things which the other two would not need. It is the work in which and by which the painter informs himself. It is his way of acquiring facts, or of assuring himself of what he wants and how he wants it. And he may put into it all sorts of things for their value as facts which he may never care to use, but which he wishes to have at command in case he should want them.

The sketch, on the other hand, is a note of an effect merely, or of a general idea, and calls for only those qualities which most successfully show the central idea, which might sometime become a picture, or which suggests a scheme. A carefully worked-up sketch is a contradiction in terms, just as a careless study would be.

A picture might have more or less of the character of either of these two types, and yet belong to neither. It might have the sketch as its motive, and would use as much or as little of the material of the study as should be needed to make the result express exactly the idea the painter wished to impart, and no more and no less."

from "The Painter in Oil" by daniel parkhurst in 1898

[Anonymous No.1946175]

>>1945747
yep yep, i didn't mean to imply that the definitions are very definitive :p as i said, that's how language works. although i will put in that they were more well defined when doing a study meant bringing different materials than you would for a sketch. and probably a different palette, anyway i found a textual reference to sum it up, i think it's expansive enough for everyone to agree on.

here we go,

>"Intent.—In this connection it would be well to bear in mind the purpose of the work on which the painter may be engaged. A man would, and should, work very differently on canvases intended for a study, a sketch, and a picture. The study would contain many things which the other two would not need. It is the work in which and by which the painter informs himself. It is his way of acquiring facts, or of assuring himself of what he wants and how he wants it. And he may put into it all sorts of things for their value as facts which he may never care to use, but which he wishes to have at command in case he should want them.

>The sketch, on the other hand, is a note of an effect merely, or of a general idea, and calls for only those qualities which most successfully show the central idea, which might sometime become a picture, or which suggests a scheme. A carefully worked-up sketch is a contradiction in terms, just as a careless study would be.

>A picture might have more or less of the character of either of these two types, and yet belong to neither. It might have the sketch as its motive, and would use as much or as little of the material of the study as should be needed to make the result express exactly the idea the painter wished to impart, and no more and no less."

--from "The Painter in Oil" by daniel parkhurst in 1898

[Anonymous No.1946177]

>>1946162
how long will this patreon bubble last though until it bursts

[Anonymous No.1946178]

1 year if you draw 16hours a day
2 years if you draw 8 hours a day
3 years if you draw 4 hours a day
4 years if you draw 2 hours a day
5 years if you draw 1 hour a day
6 years if you draw 30min a day
7 years if you draw 15min a day
8 years if you draw 7:30min a day
9 years if you draw 3.45min a day
10 years if you draw 1:37min a day

I would personnaly aim for the 1:37 min a day, i mean that's basicly NOTHING you wake up make a doodle and go to work.. easy shit. Good luck OP!

[Anonymous No.1946187]

>>1946177
As long as gumroad.

[Anonymous No.1946202]

>>1946178
>10 years
lmao if you want to make it you have to take at least 4 hours minimum

[Anonymous No.1946204]

>>1946177
probably longer than kick stater since it's continual.

[Anonymous No.1946222]

>>1946187
how long will it actually take if you do decent fanart to get around 10k a month, or at least 5 ?

[Anonymous No.1946237]

I can respect kron, sakimi can't into form and perspective at all, kron at least has fundamentals, plus good color theory and rendering

[Anonymous No.1946241]

>>1946237
GTFO kron

-sakimi

[Anonymous No.1946244]

>>1945513
I use sakimichan to fap.

Kron needs to draw sexy bodies for me to fap. Without the blurry 3d shit filter.

[Anonymous No.1946249]

Does this dude use chromatic aberration?

I think he does, but in a way that it doesn't hurt to look at.

[Anonymous No.1946264]

>>1946249
a bit, but it's bloom from the back lights, not just stuck on there to simulate a lens. quite clever really.

[Anonymous No.1946267]

>>1946249
don't know who, but yeah he does, though it's vertical and not horizontal, first time seeing it like this but it really is better than that shitty blurry one.

[Anonymous No.1946274]

>>1946267
here's his dA page if you want to see more
http://neoartcore.deviantart.com/

[Anonymous No.1946278]

>>1946264
lens blur* not a lens, obviously bloom is simulating a lens too in a manner of speaking.

[Anonymous No.1946283]

>>1944475
He's like a phone book that went swimming in peanut butter hair vagina

[Anonymous No.1946285]

>>1945539
Isn't Saki a girl?

[Anonymous No.1946293]

>>1946222
You got to have a huge fanbase. Don't think it's just going to happen like that.

[Anonymous No.1946301]

>>1946274
Ugh.

[Anonymous No.1946304]

>>1946293
>>1946222
Do they actually make that much?

I'm gonna assume that's more than some professional illustrators with all the day/weekly fanart pandering.

[Anonymous No.1946305]

>>1946301
ugh YEAH

well I can fap to this.

[Anonymous No.1946309]

>>1946305
>fapping to bad art

[Anonymous No.1946310]

>>1946304
Kron makes 10k a month.
Yup pretty much. And for a lot less work than them too. Just doing copies of photos and add his anime doll face to it. Then I think he does some recordings of said drawings and some sketches and that's what people pay for.

I'd argue he's surpassed Noah even in the business aspect. He's perfected it.

[Anonymous No.1946313]

>>1946310
Samiki makes 20k a months from patreon alone.
She also has a full time job at the best game company of the world.

[Anonymous No.1946314]

>>1946310
Do you know much the average commission price of one pic from sakimi and kron costs? Or some other similar artist?

[Anonymous No.1946317]

>>1946309
I'll fap to yours if you post it.

[Anonymous No.1946319]

in an Ideal world people get paid for doing original content and not fanart.

[Anonymous No.1946320]

>>1946319
>original content
Artists drawing generic boob ladies?

[Anonymous No.1946321]

>>1946319
Like your merc_wip #2686 ?

[Anonymous No.1946326]

>>1946314
I don't think Kron is taking commissions unless it's an actual serious gig and not some guy wanting his waifu drawn.

No idea about sakimi.

[Anonymous No.1946327]

>>1946326
Just trying to find out how much pros make on a single picture.

How much do those LoL splash artists get paid? Or how about those artists that draw really nice cover art for comic books?

[Anonymous No.1946329]

>>1946320
>>1946321

more like, thought provoking. pieces that have stories to tell. not just... "this_looks_pretty.jpg"

[Anonymous No.1946332]

>>1946329
nothing thought provoking about that piece though. provide better examples.

[Anonymous No.1946334]

>>1946329
Well. You make money if people give a shit/want to see more.

Pandering and demand.

[Anonymous No.1946335]

Is what Sakimi doing strictly speaking legal when
most of what she posted as her "creations" on patreon are based off other artists' works?

[Anonymous No.1946336]

>>1946319
What about those million dollar abstract shit?

I mean anyone can do that.

[Anonymous No.1946337]

>>1946332

I think it's way more interesting than generic anime waifu.

[Anonymous No.1946339]

>>1946332
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1946341]

>>1946332
then how about this

[Anonymous No.1946342]

>>1946341
Don't bother, he's just going to keep saying no to prove whatever ridiculous point he has.

[Anonymous No.1946343]

>>1946332
you are wrong.

[Anonymous No.1946346]

>>1946337
>>1946339
>>1946341
>>1946342

can you four get back to drawing if you seriously think this stuff is thought provoking.

I am not thinking of anything when I look at those, it is telling the EXACT story that the images depict. "Cowboys in desert" and "Men in street" is not provoking my thoughts.

If there was a punchline maybe. Something cleverly using the cowboy cliche or the rival gang cliche. But they aren't. Those examples are just cliches outright. Those are the things a clever piece would make you look back on and realize how lame they are.

[Anonymous No.1946348]

>>1946343
2deep4me apparently

[Anonymous No.1946350]

>>1946346
>each painting has to be a stand alone story and can't be part of a larger one comprised of many pieces

[Anonymous No.1946354]

>>1946346

No one said THIS IS THE DEEPEST THING EVER HIGH ART RIGHT HERE,

We just think that they're more interesting than "rendered anime girl."

[Anonymous No.1946356]

>>1946350
I didn't pick out the examples those two gave.

The guy OP is talking about is an illustrator not a comic book writer. We're talking about storytelling in illustration which is strictly one panel.

[Anonymous No.1946358]

>>1946354
And you'd be wrong. They are exactly as interesting. Don't get it twisted. A lot of the people this site looks up to like Craig Mullins, this guy, Jaime Jones

They are all on equal footing content-wise. Their painting techniques are what got them where they are, not their writing skills.

[Anonymous No.1946360]

>>1945513

The faggots that won't shut up about them.

[Anonymous No.1946361]

>>1946358
if anyone wants to argue that then they don't know what they are talking about. thats not an argument, thats a fucking fact.

[Anonymous No.1946362]

>>1946329
>>1946319
What if you just split yourself into 2 different artists?

fan artist taking advantage of weekly commissions and drawing waifus and fap material

and "original artist"

[Anonymous No.1946363]

>>1946358

It's subjective, I'm not stating a fact.

I think something narrative, even if slightly so, is more interesting than something that's just well rendered.

You might not, that doesn't make you wrong though because neither of us is the all mighty arbiter of art rules.

[Anonymous No.1946365]

>>1946362
a hard road, but I am already taking it.

[Anonymous No.1946366]

>>1946362
Some of us have artistic integrity and won't stoop to such low levels as to draw weeb bait like fanarts.

[Anonymous No.1946369]

>>1946366
dude, I feel the same way with fur, I'll never do that shit.

weeb stuff is more tolerable if you get the right client...what kind of art do you do?

[Anonymous No.1946373]

>>1946366
You don't have to draw weeb shit.

You could draw marvel and dc girls and get paid. Or even hired.

[Anonymous No.1946376]

>>1946348
>1946348
no, you are just stupid.

[Anonymous No.1946378]

>>1946366
I'm just working on my own graphic novel. Haven't done much art lately as I'm mostly researching and doing the story.

But it's a very personal project for me and I hope to never have to resort to making it commercial shit. Where others tell me what to do with my own story. As impossible as that may sound, it's just how I feel about it.

[Anonymous No.1946379]

>>1946378
Ooops this is for you

>>1946369

[Anonymous No.1946389]

>>1946378
uhm... I can identify with this. I've been doing the same myself anon, I am actually planning to go out the states to travel and research my for topic. thats what my calling is telling me to do I need to get out there and see what I can learn about myself.

personally, I feel it would be best to make many mini stories to build up more experience. from there when you've done enough and you feel ready you can finally tackle your main work and never regret a thing.

[Anonymous No.1946404]

>>1946389
That sounds great. Mine requires me going to Japan for the final and most important phase of my research. I fear gathering the money for that will put everything on hold though. Very disappointing.

I hear ya. Doing that myself. For the most part I just jot down some story ideas and hope I'll do something with them. I think I'll end up working on them while gathering the money for the trip.

One thing I've noticed is that you should buy your research in physical form. In the case of books, it basically forces you to work on it and never give up considering how much of a commitment it is to have bought so many books. It's too easy to delete what you've got on the computer as there's no true commitment so to speak. You can just move on from it. Books and physical copies is a bit different. Again, just how I feel about it.

[Anonymous No.1946409]

>>1946389
Looks like crap.

[Anonymous No.1946410]

>>1946404
I have plenty of illustration reference books, most of them are about AI, anatomy and animation and aztec mythology.

I've also been researching about the effects of technology on today's society. we've become so dependant on many things... it makes me ponder what would we do without them. how "useful" can you be to today's world without your phone, your car, your computer...

this video illustrates how creative people can truly be in times of need, when they use technology as a tool and not a lifestyle. you see things with a broader perspective. you can think for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-XS4aueDUg

[Anonymous No.1946417]

>>1946366
>stoop to such low levels
Maybe they just like drawing weeb shit

[Anonymous No.1946554]

>>1946327
I know Genzoman got paid $50/piece while working in MyL, and I believed Algen said WotC pays $250/card art.

Depends on the artist/client.

[Anonymous No.1946565]

>>1946554
>and I believed Algen said WotC pays $250/card art.

WotC pays ~1000$ per card illustration.

[Anonymous No.1946570]

>>1946554
>I know Genzoman got paid $50/piece while working in MyL

That was years ago right? Seems little. But then again he sucks even now.

[Anonymous No.1946572]

>>1946378
>I'm just working on my own graphic novel. Haven't done much art lately as I'm mostly researching and doing the story.


So, you are an amateur, who is in the "idea" phase of his first shitty webcomic attempt and you genuinely believe that gives you more artistic integrity than fanartists have? Oh wow, typical /ic/ I suppose. Hypercritical of everything and everyone, yet completely delusional when it comes to their own art and achievements.

[Anonymous No.1946922]

>>1946572

Nice projection.

Not necessarily the "idea" phase. I know what I'm going to do, it's now just a matter of researching the setting, history and so on and to incorporate it into the story (which also has to be developed but all the main events are finalized).

My own integrity is just that. My own. Same applies to everyone else. I don't claim to subscribe to some objective integrity whereby I'm of higher level than others. I'm just saying to me, doing fanarts is the lowest I could go (having said that, it's because I've been doing fanarts and an aspiring concept artist for years but it never felt real - or good for that matter. kek)

I now have a true purpose. Something that goes with all my beliefs of art. Some would even call it "purist" art. I like to think I'm not that much of a prude but some of it's sentiments do grab me.

Sorry bout the blogpost.

[Anonymous No.1946961]

>>1946922
What projection? You are working on a webcomic and that makes you feel like you have artistic integrity that fanartists lack in your opinion. Where am I projecting anything here?

>I don't claim to subscribe to some objective integrity whereby I'm of higher level than others
Oh really? But...
>Some of us have artistic integrity and won't stoop to such low levels as to draw weeb bait like fanarts.
Sure sounds like you do.

By the way, real comic book artists and illustrators draw fanart all the time. It's a great way to promote yourself and get yourself noticed by big clients. Also a fun exercise to expand your visual library. Plus it's nice to know how to draw popular characters for when you do drawing requests at conventions, which most professional artists in that industry tend to do. It would be really awkward for a comic book artist who gets asked to draw Batman at a convention and he can only reply with "I-I don't do that shit, I-I have integrity!"

[Anonymous No.1946964]

>>1946922
>>1946961
Take Dave Rapoza for example. His fanart got him a job at Marvel. All the while working on 2 comics of his own, doing movie illustrations and concept art. But hey, he sucks right? He doesn't have integrity or some shit.

[Anonymous No.1946970]

>>1946961
>What projection?
Your whole spiel about typical /ic/.

Well if you want to take it that way, no way I can convince you at this point.

It's worth noting that I have no plans on promoting myself to clients, doings cons and be a "professional" artist. Remember, I said I don't want to resort to making my story some commercial crap. In other words, I don't want it to be published.
I also do not hope to "git gud" in the sense that everyone here thinks. Whose only goal is to make it and live off drawing/painting. None of that stimulates me. It felt cheap and hollow when that was my only goal. Again, this isn't what I feel towards other people who do it, just how I would feel if I did it.

What I want to do is something true to myself.


>>1946964
As I said, my integrity doesn't apply to others. There are things others just won't do no matter what and things another would do. It's all relative and no point in applying to others.

[Anonymous No.1946979]

>muh integrity
This is like a parody of bad artists.

[Anonymous No.1946992]

>>1946979
So lack of integrity is for the great artists. Right. Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.1947012]

With so much negativity ITT, it's obvious which motherfuckers will never ever significantly progress in their own art. Which is honestly sad.

[Anonymous No.1947020]

>>1946992
It's always bad artists that bring up "integrity", saying they're only doing art to please their own artistic desire or to express themselves and not to pander to anyone.

Well, good for you if you have rich parents or other source of income so that you don't have to "git gud" to make money.

It's funny though, some these people admire the old masters for their integrity when they did portrait of rich people for money all the times.

[Anonymous No.1947041]

>>1946970
Well, you've backpedaled a lot since this statement:
>Some of us have artistic integrity and won't stoop to such low levels as to draw weeb bait like fanarts.

It's fine to be a shit tier hobbyist who doesn't care about improvement and just works on his amateur webcomic, but why on earth would you act like you are above anyone? You ARE the lowest level. Fanartists are above you. Hell, I'd say even someone like Tom Preston is above you, because at least he draws his shitty webcomic whereis you are still stuck on procrastinating and "research".

[Anonymous No.1947078]

Nothing really wrong with fanart, I think these guys are shitting themselves because they think people act like it's necessary to succeed, when its just really one path of many.

[Anonymous No.1947422]

I want to know where he gets all the resource photos.
They're bretty gud for studies

[Anonymous No.1947555]

>>1947020
>It's funny though, some these people admire the old masters for their integrity when they did portrait of rich people for money all the times.

I think the question is how much commercial art you need to do in order to be able to finance yourself. I'd say that, as long as it remains a means of supporting a lifestyle that has artistic expression as its goal, the creators integrity should not be called into question for it. However, people who whore themselves out for money and recognition, who never do anything but that which others demand of them may be skilled craftsmen, but I don't see how they could be considered artists.

[Anonymous No.1948037]

I know i'm gonna get gud because kuvshinov inspires me.

I'm a total amateur and i'm more than sure the whiniest bitches in this thread are better than me personally. But no one who's willing to put in the work, who's willing to fucking grind and hustle and work their way to the top, would bitch and complain about someone getting fucking 2k a WEEK (!!!) doing what they dream of doing. They're doing what a damn loser would do: get bitter and resentful at those lucky enough to be eating off their own damn ART.

Kuvshinov put in the work to get where he is now. You're just a bunch of bitter fat slobs, pleasure addicts, and hedonists in their mid twenties with no sense of self-restraint or discipline, who are all mad about how he's making serious cash doing what he loves. And if you ARE better than he is, then why don't you start doing the hard work of getting so popular people give you money for simply existing?

I wasted thirty minutes writing this shit, i need to get back to work. Unlike you fucking bums. I probably won't ever get to where he is moneywise, but he's still damn inspiring. No matter what if he's using magical texture packs or whatever conspiracy theory you fucking bunch of idiots have in your heads.

>"LOOK AT SALAMICHAN DOIN ANIMUS FOKKIN SELLOUT"
>draws animu garbage

[Anonymous No.1948039]

p.s this digression about artistic integrity is so fucking gay it deservess its own pride parade. Because a bunch of worthless nerds who love video games and masturbation and "loli" almost as much as they hate women, talking to people, and going outside are all such deep and cerebral people. I'm sure all your professional tumblr's are full of Repin-level art, and you autists' over-rendering to hide technical mistakes is respectable unlike all those artists who do the same while getting paid.

I used to be you fucking people at fifteen, christ.

[Anonymous No.1948221]

>>1948037

heal yeah man, way to go
fuck /ic/

keep up the work, it's 4:30 in the morning and just watched a movie, gonna draw some more before passing out
lets do this, bro

[Anonymous No.1948438]

>>1946570
Yeah, and talking with other illustrators from that game, he was one of the worst paid. He tried to compete with quantity over quality and ended up falling sick and having to resign from participating in a whole edition.

[Anonymous No.1948672]

>>1946346
You have no imagination