Beginner Thread #42

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Beginner Thread #42 Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:26:54 2015 No.1933150 [Reply] [Original]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1929045

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:34:05 2015 No.1933159 File: 176 KB, 1850x1428, Untitled-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do my proportions suck, they don't look right to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:40:05 2015 No.1933161 File: 245 KB, 1127x825, 1360000911308.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933159

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:42:26 2015 No.1933164 File: 57 KB, 1500x1500, 1-3-2015 1-8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:43:35 2015 No.1933166 File: 752 KB, 2030x836, traced shapes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trying to get a better feel for the basic human shapes, so I tried tracing them over this reference image. Better ways to practice or help with mistakes I made?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:44:12 2015 No.1933167 >>1933161 this makes zero sense.

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:47:47 2015 No.1933176
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>>1933166
Here's the same image after moving from basic shapes to contour, again using tracing. :(

>>1933167
I think it's saying angle has to be taken into account when using proportions. In the left image, the artist has made the image eight human heads tall, ignoring that the view is not one that shows the character orthographically head to toe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:48:51 2015 No.1933177 >>1933150 Next picture pls. And a bit less gay, please. Thank you

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:51:34 2015 No.1933180 File: 158 KB, 720x480, 0412.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933177

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:58:12 2015 No.1933186 File: 1.34 MB, 3956x800, sketch process.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933176 Here's another image I drew, this one without tracing. It's clear I'm fairly bad at getting proportion and placement down, what can I do to get better at that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 15:58:58 2015 No.1933189 File: 44 KB, 1075x1000, figure-1-1320266222.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933177 This one would be interesting. No seriously this pose will bring up some variety here.

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:05:25 2015 No.1933199
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Hey hey, beginner here.
I tried to learn to draw a couple of years ago but eventually stopped for several reasons. As you can see, (pic related) I didn't get much further than a couple of Proko videos.

My plan this time around is to completely start again, beginning with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. I've read the sticky but aren't really sure what to do afterwards as I don't find Loomis very useful. Could anyone please point me in the right direction?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:06:17 2015 No.1933200 >>1933186 It's donkey kong

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:15:25 2015 No.1933210

>>1933186

Google the "envelope" drawing method.

4chan won't let me post the links I want to post, but if you Google that, you'll find the technique I mean. Would help you a lot in terms of drawing accuracy.

Ultimately, it's probably better to get really familiar with proportions and anatomy so that you don't need to copy exactly what you see to draw a convincing reproduction of the figure, but the envelope method is super helpful until you get to that level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 17:33:17 2015 No.1933296 >>1933199 Yeah, read a book and do an illustration for each chapter. As you struggle to draw from your imagination, reference Loomis. Maybe you'll see the value in the book then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 17:40:37 2015 No.1933310 >>1933186 Is that hulk?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 17:51:53 2015 No.1933321 File: 2.58 MB, 3264x2448, 20150103_034001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need to get used to controlling my lines more, Pens can show why I'm cheating Im not that used to life drawing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 17:55:56 2015 No.1933324 File: 2.48 MB, 2448x3264, 20150103_034001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need to get used to controlling my lines more, Pens can show why I'm cheating Im not that used to life drawing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 18:13:47 2015 No.1933338 File: 132 KB, 1080x1080, rdj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've been practicing digital painting. I'm below average - average, but I'm really trying and I'm motivated. Here's my 4th work I'd love some solid criticism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 18:16:13 2015 No.1933341 >>1933338 Also, I've read that I'm that kind of guy who copies an image and I have no imagination, which sucks because it's true, I have no imagination. I have to rely on a source to copy/draw. Sucks

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 18:23:32 2015 No.1933350 >>1933338 His facial hair is all Photoshop grass....

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 18:27:11 2015 No.1933352 >>1933350 Yes i'm sorry

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 18:31:33 2015 No.1933355

>>1933338
harden your brushes, and dont draw individual hairs. It's also too obvious that you used a stamp brush on the eyebrows and facial hair. If you're wanting to get better, don't use stamp brushes. It's easier to draw the hair in blocks and then add detail with digital paintings, and looks a whole lot better. Overall, the anatomy of the face looks relatively fine. Shading, however is too harsh. There is a harsh orange around his eyes and nose which doesnt look natural. But overall not too bad. Keep at it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:30:34 2015 No.1933387 >>1933159 copying the loomis diagrams is too advanced for you, just make stick/pipe figures in space.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:40:18 2015 No.1933398 >>1933210 Hopefully I've found what you're talking about, is this the method where you draw a large shape that encompasses what you want to draw, and then you gradually "cut into" the shape to provide more detail?

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:49:35 2015 No.1933405

Hi /ic/ 2 quick questions:
1) I only have a mouse, would GIMP be good enough to practice some line work or is there some other program you recommend?
2) How do you stay consistent? Do you go at it an amount of time/work you try to get done each day?
Thanks in advance and sorry if this isn't the thread for it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:54:27 2015 No.1933413 File: 1.36 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20131204_205151.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Crit would be awsom

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:55:04 2015 No.1933414 File: 1.72 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_20131124_202538.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933413

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:55:49 2015 No.1933416 File: 1.60 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20131214_234539.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933414

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:56:56 2015 No.1933418 File: 1.69 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20131208_220209.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933416

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:58:05 2015 No.1933420 File: 1.49 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_20131211_225107.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933418

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:21:01 2015 No.1933435

>>1933420
when you are drawing in values shadows are your tools which give your objects form.

Difference in value means a different plane in most cases. Unless you are drawing highly reflective surfaces or the background is highly reflective your shadows should not be at any point lighter than your half tones and your highlights. highlights are a great indication of a source of light and add more range to your values, and reflected light adds more range to your shadows, overall giving the object a more realistic look due to the differences in value giving you a greater illusion of form.

Always draw the form using transitioning values/tones, don't use lines. Block in lightly the shadows, note where the shadow starts as that will be the darkest part and will give it the most defining form, render a gradient towards the lighter parts, the softer the gradient the more soft the form is, the sharper the shadow comes into play or the less of the gradient the more sharp the form will be. To help seeing values as form try hatching in the direction of the form, but this obviously is better seen in effect on objects that are not round, not that you cannot hatch shade round objects.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:29:44 2015 No.1933443 >>1933405 photoshop, SAI paint tool, anything works with a mouse. wireless is better imo draw as a hobby. a serious hobby. put effort and motivation into it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:39:09 2015 No.1933448 >>1933159 Arms seem kind of short on the first figure

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:40:17 2015 No.1933451 >>1933167 It's showing you the correct hexes and pentagrams to draw to summon a small red demon into being.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 22:14:33 2015 No.1933493 File: 41 KB, 862x641, 0025.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This shit sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 22:50:13 2015 No.1933517 File: 1.64 MB, 2500x2500, studysheet3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More from life form study

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 22:57:34 2015 No.1933522 >>1933324 LONDON O N D O N

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:02:34 2015 No.1933524 File: 247 KB, 1489x1452, anatomy1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 My try at it. Got a Wacom yesterday (never had used one), trying to work out my hand-eye coordination.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:36:16 2015 No.1933549 File: 61 KB, 1000x1000, grinding.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933180 can't we at least use hot models

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:38:09 2015 No.1933550

>>1933493

Learning hack that /ic/ might hate but it will help you learn to draw figures and anything else much faster:

before you go straight to copying the figure... trace it a couple times. Don't bother with every little detail, but trace over the important gesture lines and major anatomical forms, and try to imagine that your lines are wrapping around forms in 3-dimensional space rather than just being drawn on a flat 2d surface. Do this two or three times; shouldn't take much more than 3-5 minutes each.

Then, when you go to draw it for real, notice how much easier it is, and how much more intuitively you understand the form of what you're drawing. Then notice how much more information you retain from your studies when you go to draw from imagination.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:46:38 2015 No.1933555 >>1933550 i always get tempted to trace shit but muh pride

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:51:11 2015 No.1933557 >>1933550 I did something somewhat similar here >>1933166 Is doing a few of those before starting to draw about what you mean, or is it a more gestural, "flowing", non-constructed kind of drawing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:13:22 2015 No.1933572 I know how to build heads now but my problem is to identify the traits and specific shapes of the person I'm portraying. Any tips for this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:23:03 2015 No.1933579 >>1933550 How are you suppose to understand 3D form when you are just drawing an outline?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:23:47 2015 No.1933580 >>1933341 Where'd you read that? I'm curious because I tend to be the same

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:24:45 2015 No.1933581 File: 470 KB, 1468x479, Naked.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933180 Using the Silhouettes are pretty good at getting the size and length down but you can just miss so many details

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:32:04 2015 No.1933584 >>1933549 I really like your style, your stomach looks a bit odd though

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:46:50 2015 No.1933592

>>1933555

pride is no good for your art. none of the best artists worry about pride; they use whatever tool they can find to climb the mountain. Trace that shit, and then throw the drawings away. All you want is the knowledge, anyway.

>>1933557

It looks like you were just tracing very general shapes. You're probably not going to get much out of that. If you just want to do gestures, I wouldn't bother tracing them, because gestures are a matter of interpretation rather than rote copying. Tracing is good for figuring out complex forms without having to worry about measuring them vis-a-vis other forms and constructing a whole figure on the page. It's good for figuring out really complex things in isolation, and any technique that helps you break down a complex task into simpler ones is going to give you a major boost to learning.

>>1933579

Hopefully, you're not just drawing from photos all the time, or you'll probably never get there. But if you draw from life regularly, even if you're just drawing shit on your desk or your other hand, you'll figure out the knack of translating 3d forms to 2d shapes and back. Before you get to that point, drawing from photos is mostly useless imo, which is why life drawing is so important. After you get there, you can understand the 3d form that is depicted in the photo and draw that instead of just copying flat shapes from one surface to another.

>>1933581

Maybe Google the envelope drawing method, anon. It would help you not miss details when you're drawing the silhouette.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:52:34 2015 No.1933596 File: 298 KB, 1000x1000, bt42.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 Thanks for the ref

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:00:53 2015 No.1933603 File: 54 KB, 1000x1000, asdfadsfa1234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933584 >he likes my style DOUSHIO >>1933592 when i finish tracing somthing, what do I do next? just grind?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:04:12 2015 No.1933606 File: 44 KB, 720x480, quick sketch 1-3-15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've been practicing the basics after years of just drawing and I think im starting to get it down. though i like to throw my own style on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:23:19 2015 No.1933618 File: 60 KB, 1200x1000, New Canvas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933592 not sure if i'm getting anywhere with this but anyway its not as easy as i thought

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:35:41 2015 No.1933629 >>1933618 I really like this one. Anon, did it only take you a few strokes to do that? It seems so.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:41:15 2015 No.1933632
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>>1933180
First time in my life I actually try to construct something. s shit took me almost one hour and it's not even finished or right.
I guess it's better to stop here for this one since I can't even get the basics right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:42:53 2015 No.1933633 File: 71 KB, 1200x1000, New Canvas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933629 anon i traced this one like the other anon suggested sorry to disappoint you but thats what i got when i tried the real thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:57:13 2015 No.1933639 File: 272 KB, 709x729, facedown sketch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 Gave this a shot, not sure it matches the reference too well, but I'm pretty happy with how it looks. Critique appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 02:11:35 2015 No.1933644 File: 222 KB, 1748x890, platform.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933180 Cool you guys drew it too

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 02:15:07 2015 No.1933646 >>1933639 I don't think you shlud draw that many individual hair, I think the trick is to think in bigger surfaces/volumes, trying to see how hair fall around the head too.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 02:27:55 2015 No.1933653

>>1933603

Maybe quickly trace it a few times, then draw it for real once, as accurately as you can, and then put the photo aside and try to draw it from memory. Then go do studies of the anatomy of any parts that gave you trouble.

That'd probably be close to the optimal learning method.

I was listening to Shaddy Safadi's Gumroad tutorial yesterday, and he made a really interesting point about how the people who think that all they have to do is grind to get the level of the art gods like Mullins or Jaime Jones are the people who are never going to make it there. Because the really great artists didn't just grind; they worked intelligently, and copied other artist's styles, and cheated, and did whatever it took to get better. And, by the same token, really young artists today are getting very good much faster because they follow the paths that better artists have discovered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:09:51 2015 No.1933669 >>1933653 that sounds pretty tiring but i will give it a shot any more gitgood quick schemes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:11:19 2015 No.1933671 File: 85 KB, 513x597, 20150103_235611.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:17:43 2015 No.1933674 >>1933669 Draw with pen. Not being able to erase your lines works wonders for your confidence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:29:33 2015 No.1933677 >>1933592 So let's say I wanted to learn about the shape of the skull. You suggest tracing cross-contour lines and just focusing on the 3d-ness and not worrying about proportional issues etc? I think I'll give this a shot.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:36:15 2015 No.1933678
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Soon motherfucker, I'm gonna be able to draw heads properly.

I can place the features almost correctly but I always make a part of the face too short or too large.

Feels good though, look how the ear/eyes/hairline fits pretty well. I always try to make tinier drawings of the pic I have so I can't directly measure the distances. Then I resize the pic and it's the moment of truth.

I'm gonna make it next week I can feel it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:41:13 2015 No.1933681 File: 233 KB, 1000x1075, study040115b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Brain-chan pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:43:43 2015 No.1933682 File: 233 KB, 1000x1075, study040115b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 brain-chan pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:16:08 2015 No.1933694 File: 232 KB, 548x668, tatas.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933678 Some late night tits just for all of you. Goodnight all

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:28:59 2015 No.1933697 File: 147 KB, 1028x864, Doodles.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] At least they're not looking so tall now

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:51:18 2015 No.1933703 File: 760 KB, 2437x1574, IMG_0001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did the mechanical object exercise in Keys to Drawing

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:51:54 2015 No.1933704 File: 21 KB, 1261x793, eggbeater ref.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933703 Here's the reference

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 05:01:48 2015 No.1933715 >>1933703 You will get better mate,dont worry.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 05:17:48 2015 No.1933720
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>>1933517
You're on the right track, keep doing studies. Think about what you're putting down on the paper before you do it, angles are super important. Study more anatomy. Bridgman helped me with that. The first time I saw Bridgman's anatomy sketches, it was like they spoke to me, so I spent about a year studying them until my illustration professor told me I was copying him to much. Look it them up if you haven't already, maybe you'll like them as much as I did.
>>1933632
The proportions are off, but it looks pretty good. I really like how you did the legs, but the front arm is jacked up. Don't be a loser, finish it and I'll give you a redline.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 05:39:47 2015 No.1933731
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i'm having a little trouble with the hair on this. how the fuck am i supposed to draw hair if i cant fucking see it? improvise? it seems like it would look weird/bad if i did.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 05:54:10 2015 No.1933737 >>1933731 What do you see? Draw that. You see nothing? draw nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 05:56:09 2015 No.1933740 >>1933737 seems simple enough. thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 05:58:53 2015 No.1933741 >>1933697 Your getting better, still needs a lot of work

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 06:19:13 2015 No.1933750 File: 207 KB, 800x600, study.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i gave up but at least I tried and took my time now time to draw my animus

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 06:25:38 2015 No.1933754 File: 543 KB, 1380x686, Shapes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shapes

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 06:43:32 2015 No.1933761

>>1933750
if it gives you any consolation, it literally looks like a comical interpretation of what you're trying to draw (which may be a good thing if you want to draw anime). but anyways, just work on your proportions and you should be fine. measure and you'll be fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 06:50:38 2015 No.1933763 >>1933737 bullshit imo if you are aiming to train to draw from memory or stylize you can photocopy for years and still be unable to draw a decent human being

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 06:51:10 2015 No.1933764 File: 149 KB, 1065x649, Naked 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933581 Redrew to fix stuff up

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:06:20 2015 No.1933768 >>1933754 lrn2perspective

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:09:03 2015 No.1933771 >>1933768 The light or the Shapes themselves?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:11:47 2015 No.1933776 >>1933771 The lighting. Perspective plays a huge part in shadows and light, know where your ground plane and your light source are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:16:12 2015 No.1933780 >>1933776 Oh yeah looking at it now I can see that the Pyramids should have shade on all corners and the balls Shadow is out of place. I think the Cones and Cylinders came out well

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:26:49 2015 No.1933786 File: 707 KB, 1600x800, finishedportrait.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i think im going to call this one finished. the hair is too hard with the contrast. how does the construction look?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:33:43 2015 No.1933788 File: 56 KB, 453x323, 2015-01-04_20-30-48.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933180 Fuck me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:45:30 2015 No.1933796 File: 23 KB, 288x415, 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does this look?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:49:49 2015 No.1933798 File: 100 KB, 536x488, 2015-01-04_20-49-17.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 07:52:13 2015 No.1933799 File: 102 KB, 513x486, 2015-01-04_20-51-50.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:33:43 2015 No.1933820 >>1933715 Any tips?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:35:26 2015 No.1933823 File: 102 KB, 800x596, 1637451.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posted this in another thread but got no response. Tried to draw a goblin like ear. Any tips?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:43:31 2015 No.1933829 >>1933823 we can't tell you what you're imagining. attached it a head, draw it in different perspectives, and ask something more specific

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:44:12 2015 No.1933830 >>1933581 Tube body ahoy. Come on anon, surely you can feel those contours. They're subtle, but they're there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:46:06 2015 No.1933831 >>1933830 Like this?>>1933764

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:46:25 2015 No.1933832 >>1933829 Yea thanks, I'll probably keep working on it and add a head. Just wondering if the color is ok or if there is something that I should keep in mind

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:46:57 2015 No.1933833

>>1933823
In the time you've waited, you could've drawn an even better version. What the other anon said, attach it to a head and shit. It's like drawing one eye. If you're going to draw the other one next to it, you will probably fuck it up. Alone it can look decent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 08:51:27 2015 No.1933835 >>1933832 the hues are looking sort of line artish. try blending them a bit more. other than that the values/color looks fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:09:13 2015 No.1933902 File: 460 KB, 1560x2080, rsz_0104150955a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why do my looking up faces always look so derpy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:10:19 2015 No.1933903 File: 192 KB, 1556x1385, rsz_0104150954.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] part2 derpy faces

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:14:18 2015 No.1933907 >>1933903 I don't even know what to tell you when you can't seem to understand form.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:14:31 2015 No.1933908

Should I be concerned about the environment I draw in? Like if, say, I work right next to a septic tank, should I move my stuff somewhere else? I'm just wondering because it's always been hard for me to do art even though I want to do it a lot and I was thinking the issues might be related.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:14:45 2015 No.1933910 File: 125 KB, 1548x894, rsz_0104151011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933903 >>1933902 also if anyone could redline this id really appreciate it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:25:25 2015 No.1933923 >>1933908 You need to be at a place where Loomis can touch from the heavens above. Seriously though, as long as you're not harming yourself with bad positioning, habits or toxic fumes from paints and shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:33:22 2015 No.1933929 >>1933923 >toxic fumes Does piss contain toxic fumes? Because I've been breathing that stuff in in and out for a long time thanks to living with hoarder parents who have way too many animals.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:34:00 2015 No.1933930

>>1933720
Wow, this is great.

Not those guys, but I'm currently trying to tackle Gesture drawings but having difficulty, so I'm doing very basic anatomy in the mean time. However, seeing these steps was kind of an eye opener and should help me once I tackle Gestures again.

Thank you very much, anon!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:34:22 2015 No.1933931 >>1933929 >piss and shit*

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:44:06 2015 No.1933939 >>1933931 That is pretty disgusting and probably a health risk regardless you draw or not. Move? Draw outside?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:48:50 2015 No.1933948 >>1933939 >Move? I would immediately, if I had any money to move. >Draw outside? I can try but this is a pretty bad neighborhood. It's pretty frustrating having to wait for so long just to do what I want to do.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:53:32 2015 No.1933955

>>1933948
you are making excuses. Directly outside isn't good enough either.

You need to get mom or dad to drop you off in a city or train station or a book store or a cafe or a park or a zoo and you now have the ability to freely draw anything you want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 12:18:58 2015 No.1933981 >>1933955 My parents flip shit when I ask them to move something, getting them to drop me off somewhere and also expecting to get picked up by them is out of the question.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 12:28:49 2015 No.1933990 >>1933981 Then walk or cycle. Shitty cheap bikes can get you far. Hitchhike. Go with public transportation yourself. Or do you just no want to do draw anon, that's why all the excuses?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 12:38:36 2015 No.1933994 >>1933990 I just want to draw in a comfortable environment without any people around.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 12:38:43 2015 No.1933995

>>1933981
i don't follow my own advice. I had a bout of urban sketching for a year that definitely evolved my drawing. I was lucky. But it was important.

My advice to you is to find some place to go at least 3+ days a week and spend at least 30minutes and up drawing people. I know it's hard and inconvenient, but an excuse is an excuse. The hardest part of going outside is the cost of transportation. Drawing will be the easiest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 13:33:14 2015 No.1934031 File: 188 KB, 1019x908, oop8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] did stylized shit yesterday instead of studies. figure studies are okay-ish up until i get to the neck area, sigh. it get's even worse when it's the neck from behind

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 13:38:44 2015 No.1934033 >>1933995 I'm in that bout right now, do you have any advice or things that would be nice to know?

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 13:45:21 2015 No.1934043

>>1933632
Thanks! That fucking arm yeah, noticed that after I came back to see it. Stupid brain.

Not being a loser, I just want to get in this kind of mood when I do more in less time, not for speed but to force myself to understand better and translate this with fewer lines, because I have this tendancy to get absorbed on any little doodle for very long and not see the big picture, I'd rather take what I learned and move to the next one.

(sorry for my pitiful english, not my first language)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 13:59:03 2015 No.1934050 File: 794 KB, 1920x1080, 1374000347116.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933902 >>1933903

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 14:15:40 2015 No.1934059 File: 142 KB, 861x768, oop9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1934031 im gonna go ahead and read more of michael hampton's book because it feels like i'm missing something

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 14:22:03 2015 No.1934062 >>1933387 what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 14:41:08 2015 No.1934077 I don't really know if i should keep practicing with loomis. Should i just quit his figure drawing and learn from other artists? He is just a meme I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 15:09:37 2015 No.1934102 >>1934077 Never tried his method but if you don't feel like you're understanding or learning anything from him, try something else yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 15:19:15 2015 No.1934112 File: 115 KB, 768x879, oop10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1934059 hands are shit. i don't think i'll ever be smart enough to grasp them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 15:20:10 2015 No.1934113 >>1934077 If Loomis isn't helping, move onto another book/teacher of the same level. However, you shouldn't ignore Loomis. Once you've figured it out by means of another method, come back to Loomis and see what changed in your abilities.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 16:21:01 2015 No.1934172 File: 217 KB, 1700x2200, img005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posted this over there but it was an old thread. I need tips to improve my inking technique Also how do I prevent blots of ink droplets from falling off the nib

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 16:39:41 2015 No.1934185 >>1933164 Please use something else, than the binary pen....

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 16:48:04 2015 No.1934192 File: 1.23 MB, 1944x2592, IMG_20150104_224433.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] are my proportions fine? I'm learning about proportions with keys to drawing, so that matters mostly. Would be nice if someone could redline what is wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 17:47:24 2015 No.1934239 >>1933210 Different guy, but I came across this upon the google search: http://www.artistsnetwork.com/how-to-draw-people That book any good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 17:52:28 2015 No.1934242 By the way, are there any good references of nude models just standing and looking straight into the camera? I can only seem to find various gesture poses, when I'm currently looking for is just a model standing straight up.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 17:53:29 2015 No.1934244
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Absolute beginner here.
Can anyone see what is wrong in my skeleton? It looks fine to my eyes, but once I start sketching the character over it, the proportions look all wrong, but can't pinpoint what's wrong in it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 17:57:53 2015 No.1934245 >>1934244 No neck Head too big

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:17:20 2015 No.1934255

>>1934244
I really don't want you to point to him, but i recommend, you watch this series:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws

Watch and lsiten closely, it will definately help. But i recommend, that you read some books from the sticky. Vilppu and Hampton are great for figure drawing, but if you're an absolute beginner, then try Loomis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:17:57 2015 No.1934257 >>1933820 draw from real life not pics

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:18:50 2015 No.1934258 File: 68 KB, 793x632, beaten.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933180 This completely defeated me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:18:56 2015 No.1934259 >>1934255 >butchered the grammar there i failed

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:37:03 2015 No.1934272 >>1934259 Your english pased in mu hart, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:55:22 2015 No.1934290 >>1934192 please?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:02:57 2015 No.1934295 File: 118 KB, 800x800, ptsgsgs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 Dat waistline.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:35:46 2015 No.1934324 File: 252 KB, 1552x1723, rsz_0104151825.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what are some other good exercises for drawing heads? ive been doing loomis for the last 4 days or so and im getting a little worn out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:40:04 2015 No.1934333 >>1934258 It's okay, just keep trying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:44:25 2015 No.1934336 >>1934324 I'm not sure 4 days will make you a master. But try to vary exercises yes. Try other body parts, gestures, perspectives on objects, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:46:38 2015 No.1934338 While struggling on trying to understand the pelvis, I found this, it's a virtual skeleton, supposed it could help some of us : http://www.kineman.com/new/webapp/index.php You can rotate, move bones, etc.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:51:19 2015 No.1934346

>>1934324
Looks like you're jumping through quiet quickly, but for all the wrong reason. Try re-drawing the previous Loomis exercises and try to figure out why he's instructing in such a manner.

If you haven't yet, you may also check out the book "Drawing on the Right Side of your Brain".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 20:01:20 2015 No.1934354 I feel like a major downfall of a lot of beginners is skipping getting rid of symbol drawing and skipping straight to loomis. Is this really such a big issue or is it okay that they do that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 20:06:31 2015 No.1934357 >>1934354 What kind of advantage do you propose symbol drawing offers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 20:15:34 2015 No.1934369 >>1934354 You want to get rid of symbol drawing as soon as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 20:38:21 2015 No.1934393 >>1934357 >>1934369 Thank you, but I meant that others were not. I had this problem and I don't want others to have it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 20:40:58 2015 No.1934395 File: 2.16 MB, 4128x2322, 20150104_203429.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need to work on my hands! You guys have any tips?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 20:44:51 2015 No.1934398 >>1934185 but its the the pencil tool in photoshop

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:01:39 2015 No.1934409
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>>1933910
Pose is kind of weird - don't know what the action is supposed to be or the context of it. Regardless, I tried a redline while keeping the pose mostly intact. Not perfect, but this should still be helpful.

Note how the figure is first constructed from more basic forms before going into any anatomical depth. In this one I happened to emphasize the skeleton with the construction, but you could just as well use boxes and cylinders to account for the muscle masses as well before going over it with another anatomically correct pass. Use whichever approach works better for you or for a given pose.

Think about forms - establish your gesture, then build basic forms on top of that, then correct the forms based on your knowledge of anatomy.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:08:11 2015 No.1934416

>>1934409
>>1934346
>>1934354
thanks i really appreciate the feedback, i hope to be able to be half decent by the end of the year so any suggestions are really nice. I will definitely check out drawing on the right side of the brain as i still need to fix my symbol drawing, these comments help me stay focused.

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:14:00 2015 No.1934421

>>1934416
It's going to be a frustrating mountain to climb, but that's what separates a good artists from a bad ones.

You're going to hit brick walls, and you're going to hit them hard. But luckily, thanks to the age of technology we live in, it's very easy to look up how to pass these walls and continue forward. There's so much info on regards to every subject, it can be a bit overwhelming too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:15:15 2015 No.1934423 >>1934395 -Loomis -Hogarth Hogarth is best for hands in my opinion, quite hard to begin with though. Try seperating the hands into big shapes and work further on details.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:19:31 2015 No.1934427 >>1934423 Thank you but, What is Loomis and Hogarth?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:21:45 2015 No.1934428 File: 291 KB, 1500x1500, back.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 for now, I'll try values next

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:23:56 2015 No.1934429 File: 1.79 MB, 1555x3413, critique_pls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mostly (I'd say 95%) without ref. Any pointers? I'll probably do hair, mouth and nose studies next.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:26:36 2015 No.1934431 >>1934427 Anatomy/construction book writers :). You can buy them or download pdfs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:27:11 2015 No.1934433 >>1934429 i think you're a fucking anime and should kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:28:25 2015 No.1934435 >>1934427 R E A D T H E S T I C K Y E A D T H E S T I C K Y >:(

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:28:56 2015 No.1934437 The question may sound stupid but aside humans (and animals), what are other things could a beginner study and how? Like there's gesture for humans, are there any kind of specific exercises to work on objects, landscapes, nature...?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:30:51 2015 No.1934442 >>1934433 >being an anime >2015

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 21:34:02 2015 No.1934443 File: 290 KB, 1500x1500, back.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1934428 little correction to the ribcage, didn't see it before posting it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 23:52:09 2015 No.1934564 >>1934427 meme names /ic/ uses when legitimately new artists are trying to get some info instead giving them actual help. I'd filter the names of those fucking hacks if I were you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 01:02:56 2015 No.1934606 File: 1.44 MB, 3300x2106, Texture study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just finished this texture study today. I'm still trying to find my go-to brushes in photoshop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 01:05:24 2015 No.1934608 File: 312 KB, 2048x1100, 1462731_10203294813556222_1052273790_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1934606 Reference

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 08:19:36 2015 No.1934760 File: 182 KB, 409x687, est.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My upper body feels better now, but the waist and legs are a god damn wreck, how can I get the feeling of 3d at the waist?

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 10:54:00 2015 No.1934849
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Is Illustrator okay for drawing? I'm on a mouse and it seems to work best for producing stuff that doesn't look extremely messy, but I'm worried it might look 'fake', or it might produce bad habits.

Pic related, I suck at drawing birds.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 11:05:17 2015 No.1934855

>>1933493
Don't use that ball for joint stick for connecting technique. Use fluid lines to get the feel of the pose. Shoulders aren't expressing nearly as much as they are in the original pic. If you'd used one swoop from right to left shoulder you would've catched it. Same goes for the hip movement and pelvis to chest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 12:11:33 2015 No.1934908 >>1934849 dude, seriously? traditional pencil/pen on printer paper >>>>>>>> drawing using the pen tool in a program meant for graphics learn drawing the basic way before attempting an already difficult process in a program not tailored for drawing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 12:18:47 2015 No.1934912 >>1933180 Where did you get this picture? I can't find it anywhere on the internet. A model book?

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 12:49:58 2015 No.1934930

Would anyone please explain to me "finding the midpoint"? I'm just so fucking done with this shit.

I do it like Dodson says. Define a beginning and an end to my figure, then a center line. Loosely sketch whatever I'm trying to draw, but it always is out of proportion. Then I find the midpoint in the actual picture, fix everything in the drawing, but it still doesn't fucking look right. One part is too long or too short or too wide or whatever the fuck.

I find it a better method to compare width and height of the figure and draw a box, and then within that box draw the model, keeping the ratio proportional in scale, but I feel like I can't advance in his book without succeeding at this midpoint shit.

I just want a proper explanation of how it's supposed to work. I'm so fucking frustrated right now.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 13:30:33 2015 No.1934968
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Might as well post it here, this is my attempt after reading the sticky last night, I know proportions(especially around the head) and line work are "not very good", but maybe posting it here will give me an incentive to keep trying. Picture was taken with a cheap tablet, I hope I'm not shitting up the thread too much.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 13:35:56 2015 No.1934974
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Just tried doing timed gestures for the first time. Gave myself two minutes for each since I'm not yet used to it. Learned a lot through doing this, like thicker brush, full opacity, less lines, etc.

I wanted to ask which of these look the most natural. Obviously without the reference images it's hard to tell, but I definitely think some of these look more human-like than others (6 being my personal favorite, I think.)

I hadn't decided ahead of time, but I eventually decided on triangle hands and feet, hip and shoulder lines, and neck+spine. Does this typically work for gestures, or should I be drawing things less structured?

Anyway, gonna give this a try with one minute now with what I've learned, still I'd advice/critique on these.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 13:54:49 2015 No.1934989 >>1934912 The complete girl pose book. http://www.mediafire.com/download/jmzyk3e6rzreo7o/The_complete_girl_pose_book.rar

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:00:14 2015 No.1934994 i'm never going to start my study session with fucking hands again. i just got angry and drew absolute shit for the rest of it.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:08:45 2015 No.1935005

>>1934429

>muh cartoony style

protip: if you're not doing studies realistically, you might as well just be doodling.

five rupee's on someone critiquing your poor understanding of face construction and anatomy in three years and you responding with "it's muh style"

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:14:35 2015 No.1935010

>>1934433
>>1935005

very helpful /ic/, a bunch of people parroting the same "go realistic" again and again

Some of them are certainly very anime and manga'ish, but the for the majority it wasn't drawn with that in mind. Just imagine some of them without any facial features - see the picture?

Coming from a heavy anime/manga background I simply had some trouble adjusting and scaling the proportions of the facial features, not to mention that I still struggle with noses and mouths.

Its just a habit I have that I'm trying to unlearn and I'm looking for some good feedback, but I guess I wont find that here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:15:40 2015 No.1935012 >>1935010 good feedback as in helpful critique and advise

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:28:48 2015 No.1935027

>>1935010

Then go draw a bunch of actual faces from reference. Don't think in symbols, just focus in on what you see right in front of you. Then when you do that try it without reference.

If you want to do stylized work then there's no problem with that. However with studies you can gain a better understanding on the human figure. Any sort of stylization, no matter what "style" it's in, is a simplification and exaggeration of the human form. Once you understand the human form you can get a better understanding of the stylistic choices that a lot of cartoonists use and you can see where you personally want to go.

On a side note I think /ic/ parrots shit like "go realist", "loomis", "anatomy's off", etc, because they don't actually have an understand why artist do the things they do or why it's off, they just do it without putting much thought into it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:42:10 2015 No.1935035 >>1934930 pls respond :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:52:07 2015 No.1935044 I wanted to learn drawing a year ago. It lasted 2 weeks and all I did was some tuts found on the Internets. I proved to be completely 3retarded5thisshit and decided to never touch a pencil again but boredom won this time. Please somebody redline this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:52:51 2015 No.1935045 File: 571 KB, 744x1024, img165.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935044 Forgot the pic.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 14:58:27 2015 No.1935052
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>>1935012
>>1935027

Except for a few exceptions, almost every famous artist used to draw realistically, in order to learn shapes, anatomy and afterwards they experimented and drew/painted unrealistic artworks.

I think that learning how things actually are might improve your unrealistic style since you know how and what to change to effect something.

But about my sketches: I recently promised myself to finally commit to learning to draw instead of just practicing when i'm in the mood.
I rewatched a few anatomy videos by sycra and now i want to practice drawing single body parts/facial parts and then learn to "put them together".
What's bugging me is the front view of my female characters. Something always seem to be out of place, but i can't really tell what it is.
They all seem unfeminine/androgynous
(I tried to show you my steps on how i draw heads atm and therefore i did not make them that big and the curve on the jawline might be a little bit extreme)

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:06:50 2015 No.1935059

>>1935052

Are you drawing those from reference or are you trying to draw them from imagination? You need to practice with actual heads from reference, thinking about what you're doing and what actually makes up the head, before you start drawing from imagination. Find a bunch of headshots and draw those as you see them. Find some skulls and draw those, they're heads without all the distractions that eyes, skin, hair, etc, give you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:09:48 2015 No.1935062 >>1935059 alright thanks! yeah you're right i drew them from imagination. I'm going to try that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:32:00 2015 No.1935083 File: 239 KB, 1000x500, UHHHGGG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't know what the hell im doing please send help

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:35:56 2015 No.1935088
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>>1934974
Did another set, this time one minute each. Think these came out a fair bit better. Experimented with drawing a bit of background context in 7, 8, 9, and 11, not sure how I feel about it. What's generally considered standard?

I need to practice getting the torso length right when the arms and legs don't interplay, like in 6, where you can't tell she's lying down because the long torso makes it look like she's hanging down.

In 9, 10 and 11, I started from the head and next drew the spine, which worked well in 9, but for 10 and 11 I ran out of room on the canvas.

12 was really fun and came out pretty well, so I'm going to go through another twelve at 30 seconds each, to see if the extra speed helps me to simplify and clean up.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:38:59 2015 No.1935092
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>>1934930
I don't understand why you're stressing that much over it, if you found a better method to keep proportions accurate in your drawings, you're good to go.

Basically the idea behind finding the midpoint is showing you what you "see" isn't always correct, especially in forshortened figures. You need to find the middle between two points, and those points are the start and the end of your figure. A standing figure will usually have its midpoint by the navel, but when you look at something more complex it might get harder to determine the correct length of things. For example >>1933189, what's the midpoint? you would think it's somewhere in her torso, but in fact it's in her shoulders line, although it dosesn't seem so.

Also, you don't have to use the midpoint all the time, there's a page of different measurements you can use. I find it easy to start with drawing a head and compare different parts of the figure with that head size, you can do it with everything.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:50:06 2015 No.1935105

>>1935088

Try more confident lines. From the looks of things you're using fuzzy lines and you need to stop that shit. Try to use as little lines as possible to convey the action that's occurring. If you must try distilling the gesture into one action line and building from there.

When people tell you to FEEEEEEEEL the gesture it means you should imagine yourself doing the action. Think of it in terms of the verb (sitting, stretching, punching, etc) rather than in terms of body parts.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:56:22 2015 No.1935112
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>>1935083
Your values are off. You've made the white of the eyes too white, when they're actually a lot closer to the skin in light for one eye, and the skin in shadow for the other eye. I've attached a cutout filter of the ref that reduces the image down into sharp shapes with distinct values. It should help you understand what you're seeing, but keep in mind that it's computer generated and not perfect for our needs. I'd also establish the values of the background so that it's easier to judge all of the other values present.

The drawing is off in many places. Proportions don't quite line up, some features are crooked, etc. Measure and place down landmarks (corner of the eye, edge of a nostril, corners of the mouth - anything that's useful. Double and triple check these, then follow them like a map when building up your painting. Keep them on a separate layer so that you can always recheck them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:56:59 2015 No.1935114 File: 1.38 MB, 1944x2592, IMG_20150105_215600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How fucked my light is?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 15:58:35 2015 No.1935117 >>1935114 It's not a nigger btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 16:22:42 2015 No.1935141 >>1934437 No one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 16:44:19 2015 No.1935159 >>1935044 >>1935045 No one?

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 16:46:15 2015 No.1935161
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>>1934437
objects : still life, emphasis on lighting and things like reflexivity, transparency, texture, perspective, bounce lighting
landscapes : thumbnails, emphasis on colors and composition
I'm not saying he's great, this is just a 2 secs google result, but here's I guess a good example : http://mattvogt.com/landscape-thumbnails
interiors and architecture : perspective of course, lighting, reflexivity and transparency too for modern architecture, ambient/bounce lighting for interiors
character design : silhouettes, needs to be understandable as a straight cardboard cutout, also don't try to "stylize" what you don't know (mainly anatomy)
< this pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 17:01:32 2015 No.1935176 >>1935159 No point in redlining since it's overall terrible. Read the sticky if you're just starting to learn how to draw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 17:40:10 2015 No.1935218 >>1935176 >implying I'm learning to draw I just made one crap drawing out of boredom. I said I'm too retarded to go any further.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 17:45:13 2015 No.1935223 File: 897 KB, 918x1023, img002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 18:11:20 2015 No.1935247 >>1935218 >Don't want to improve >Requesting a redline >"I was merely pretending to be retarded" Fuck off, retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 18:16:17 2015 No.1935253 >>1935218 Why would anyone redline your work if you're not here to learn from what you did?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 18:59:04 2015 No.1935287 >>1935161 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 19:50:59 2015 No.1935325 Whats the best way to get rid of symbol drawing? Ive been doing Loomis exercises but i still suffer from symbol drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 19:55:37 2015 No.1935332 >>1935325 Practice drawing with still lives. Basically get a bunch of objects from around your house, shine a light on it, and draw exactly what you see.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 20:14:02 2015 No.1935345 >>1935325 >>1935332 To add on to that, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain helps with that by telling you how to create a view finder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 20:19:55 2015 No.1935353 >>1933338 Question : The only time I used brushes was when I was doing his facial hair. Everything else is d-dodge a-and burn t-tool. ic, i have no hope

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:06:37 2015 No.1935396 File: 70 KB, 588x784, utter dissapointment.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Made from a gesture drawing from the sticky's figure generator with added rendering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:10:44 2015 No.1935402 >>1935396 >What is Perspective >What is Anatomy May want to read the sticky before tackling gestures again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:16:40 2015 No.1935410 Anyone have anything to say about irritating discomfort just above the last joint of your middle finger? Am I just holding pencils too tightly? Any way to overcome?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:16:53 2015 No.1935412 File: 246 KB, 674x627, Study.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933189 Messed up the hands pretty bad. I'll go back and fix it later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:20:15 2015 No.1935415 >>1935345 >>1935332 thanks, could i use a bust or those mannequin you buy from art stores since my ultimate goal is to draw figures?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:20:28 2015 No.1935416 >>1935402 So your saying I need to practice perspective and anatomy before gesture drawing? I thought I was supposed to alternate between them

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:25:40 2015 No.1935425

>>1935396
You're drawing way too hard. If you're denting the paper just to make dark marks then use a softer pencil and sturdier paper.

As for the drawing itself, I say just practice drawing some simple still lifes for now. Grab an apple, a vase, an egg, etc, light them up with a lamp, and draw away.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:26:32 2015 No.1935426

>>1935416
>>1935416
You need to get down the basics of anatomy before tackling gesture drawing.

Try drawing the girl on the image related, but don't draw her the way she is.

Step 1 - Simply draw a stick figure while drawing the shapes that represents joints, the hips, and rib cage. Loomis covers this technique with Fun with a Pencil

Step 2 - Add "meat" to the female by simply applying an outline around the character that closely resembles the body.

Step 3 - Try to complete it and make it as close as the female character as possible.

Do this.
Keep doing this.
Do this at least 50 times, maybe more.

And on the side draw what this anon said >>1935425

If you're having trouble drawing simple table fruit, please read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:27:40 2015 No.1935428 File: 881 KB, 2250x3252, 01_04-pg-27-book-scan-female-proporions-clean.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935426 Forget image. Here's the image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:33:49 2015 No.1935437 File: 55 KB, 2000x532, 060115gest.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How the hell do you 30 seconds gestures? my wrist is burning and I didn't even finish or get one right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:36:23 2015 No.1935439 >>1935437 stop drawing with your wrist. elbow and shoulder movements, son. more fluid lines, less joint trouble down the line.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:38:42 2015 No.1935440 >>1935439 Oh. Ok.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:43:06 2015 No.1935442 >>1935425 >>1935426 >>1935428 Thanks for the advice, anons. >>1935428 What should I do after I finish this 50+ times? Do the same with other figures?

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:46:09 2015 No.1935443
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>>1935088
>>1934974
Just finished a round of thirty second gestures. Took some of the advice in the thread and tried to use fewer lines. Not sure how it turned out. Also experimented with capturing contours more than skeletons in a few of these. Which of these look all right, which were done wrong? Any direction would be appreciated.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:46:15 2015 No.1935444
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>>1935442
>What should I do after I finish this 50+ times? Do the same with other figures?

If you can get it to at least 90% to look like the image, then move on to drawing the second image, than the third image 50+ times. It may take more than 50 times, anon, but don't give up.

However, once you've done enough of said images, tackle gestures again. Chances are, the gesture is going to look like shit again, but it should look better.

Be sure to look at live models for references. So next time you're jerking off, you can study anatomy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 21:57:01 2015 No.1935448 >>1935444 Thanks for all the advice anon, it really helps. I hope you're still here in a few weeks when I present my next visual monstrosities

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:01:21 2015 No.1935452

>>1935448
I'm always here since I'm a beginner as well. I'm simply posting advice that previous anons gave me to help me improve. I know the difficulties all to well since I was once at that level, so I can relate and can possibly provide some more specific techniques to improve.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:13:51 2015 No.1935458 File: 148 KB, 1600x900, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how do i out of painting like an elementary school school student? this is my first attempt at usingg color

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:18:34 2015 No.1935461 >>1935083 lips and nose are too narrow. eyes are to big. she has cancer on her hand. basically you symbol drew everything. do what the other anon said

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:20:12 2015 No.1935462
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>>1933180
I'm the same anon at >>1933524
Here's my try at the this one. Getting more comfortable with a tablet.

With these two taken into account, any advice? I'll start going through some books about anatomy in the following months.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:21:53 2015 No.1935463 >>1935458 Git gud at perspective and learn how tone in greyscale works before you tackle color.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:31:31 2015 No.1935468

>>1935463
thing is i already get
that stuff (im this >>1933786 guy). ive been using the sketchbook express program that came with my wacom intuos. so i dld the photoshop trial and im jus confused at fuck about where to start for everything, even the basic stuff like building a palate (you can see i was attempting to for the tree)

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 23:26:49 2015 No.1935516
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>>1935396
I don't know if anyone can even tell from the other end but that picture was my first attempt to draw from an angle looking up to the figure, which is why everything looks so disproportionate. Here's a different but just as shitty drawing from a regular angle.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 00:21:13 2015 No.1935555
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I fucking hate being a beginner. The only reason I'm posting this abomination, is so I can humiliate myself. That somehow gives me motivation to keep trying to git gud.
It's my front yard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 00:28:03 2015 No.1935559 >>1935555 It's really not bad for a beginner. I'm sure you know what you need to work on, so just keep going.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 00:49:30 2015 No.1935578

>>1935555

You have good potential but your lack of craftsmanship is what drags down your sketches

Take your time. Seems like you put this together in less then an hour. If you want "good" you should put in at least 3hrs. Great/fantastic quality is 20+Hrs of intense attention to every little detail.

Stop Scribbling. When you decide to put down a line, use one single swift decisive stroke. Commit a line to paper with a purpose to describe what the hell you're looking at, Its ok if the line is wrong, redraw,erase, correct them as you go. Your goal is a silky continuous lines, not hairy lines. (For example the car license plate is a jumble of lines, not a easy to understand set of rectangles)

Dont half ass your cross hatching, EG; the tree, and those shitty car tires, and im guessing a rug? on the pouch behind the bike. It's the quickest way to take a great drawing and make it look like crap. Spend just as much time on crosshatching/shading as you did on the construction of the line art. There is no skipping or compensating this step. Do it.

Work on the accuracy of your long lines like used for the buildings and other unnaturally straight man made objects, grab a ruler. The subtle inaccuracy of your "straight" lines add up to an amateurish and visually unappealing picture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 01:02:09 2015 No.1935590 >>1935396 >, please read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. Yea, this book specifically addresses the majority of the problems with your "gesture"

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 01:04:27 2015 No.1935592
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I'm in over my head /ic/. I pictured this scene in my head and it was way fucking cool and I thought I might be able to create it but I'm struggling. If you're familiar with Destiny (the game) this'll make more sense but here goes.

Right now I'm stuck. I can't figure out which step to take next. I've got the basic, basic colors for most areas filled in, but that's about the only thing I'm a little confident in. I hard outlined the important parts of the picture and I'm okay with how they turned out but my next step is (I think) actually coloring everything and I have no fucking idea what to do with the shadows and lighting with the color and I don't know what to do next.

It'll make sense when you see the picture. I don't know how to draw moon rocks up close or far away.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 01:06:00 2015 No.1935593
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>>1935592
Here's a picture I've been using to try and figure out moon lighting. I want that stark brightness and shadow look but I'm dealing with all kinds of distances I don't understand. What's next?

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 01:16:35 2015 No.1935595

>>1935592
>I can't figure out which step to take next.
Figure out the perspective of the scene. Right now that monster is maybe 2/3 the height of the human, and I somehow doubt that was what you were aiming for.

Loomis's Successful Drawing (and Perspective Made Easy IIRC) should show you easy tools to draw figures of the same height in perspective. From that you can make the monster appropriately larger as needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 01:43:31 2015 No.1935606 >>1935092 I just feel like I'm not going through the book the right way if I don't succeed. I guess I'll go with other methods and skip that lesson.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 01:45:52 2015 No.1935609 >>1935428 What can I use to make a grid for structuring my drawings?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 02:03:51 2015 No.1935621 File: 110 KB, 1019x722, 76bb2baad3f0d283d4e9e2ecb6b0b61a.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First time drawing a human. Previously I've only drawn cartoon horse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 02:38:27 2015 No.1935645 File: 463 KB, 1146x1080, 3D Joints.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Messed up some places, but otherwise I think it turned out rather 3 dimensionally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:07:49 2015 No.1935746 File: 267 KB, 2424x344, IMG_0002 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I doing this right? I feel somethings wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:21:57 2015 No.1935751 >>1935746 It's not smooth. Instead of a back and forth motion with you lead use the side of your pencil and shade in circles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:27:34 2015 No.1935752 >>1935751 Different person here, you say shade in circles? Can you give an exampe so I'm not lost please?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:30:54 2015 No.1935753 File: 68 KB, 348x680, Legs suck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I stop myself from drawing legs like 2 Frankfurters stacked on top of each other

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:33:51 2015 No.1935756 >>1935753 Look at some real legs. Study both the proximal and distal portions separately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:34:00 2015 No.1935757 >>1935746 Are you trying to do transitional squares? If so, their edges should be straight lines, for one thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 06:45:31 2015 No.1935762 >>1935757 No >>1935751 was right I should've used the side of my pencil

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 07:20:42 2015 No.1935772 File: 125 KB, 720x960, received_806044296105833.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933150 I'm just getting back into drawing. I've still got a long way to go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 07:22:16 2015 No.1935774 File: 83 KB, 720x960, received_10204984176745332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935772 Here's another one. Trying out different techniques.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 07:36:33 2015 No.1935778
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>>1935621(anonA)
>>1934760(anonB)
You both are at similar levels, anonB is better than you are, anonA, but not by a lot, you can catch up. AnonB has a better work flow down (gesture - construction - clean lines) so that may be why. AnonB, you're upper body looks better because you constructed it using the form of a sphere and so it looks more 3D and solid. you didn't construct the hips with a 3D form so it looks flat and things aren't placed logically because of that. Try using a box for the hips and tapered cylinders for the legs. The same advice goes to you, anonA. you both need better construction, Hampton is good for that so pick up his books. Your forms look really distorted anonA, try to see the shapes and forms as they really are, and not the shorthand your mind has taught you to see them as. Study more human anatomy too, horses are great, but if you want to draw people, learn how they work.
>>1933796
I think I gave you a redline a few weeks ago. glad to see a more finished drawing this time. you should post more often. You did a good job on this one, it has fewer mistakes than the last one. It's also a much simpler pose than the last one so maybe that's why. The face is nice and the construction is okay, but your'e still thinking to flat. Where are all the 3d forms? I see you doing it on the limbs, but I don't see it on the torso. Other than that, the clavicle is going to far down. I think you should try shading it, its not that much more complete than the last drawing you posted. I'd like to see how you handle that. You don't have to do full color just yet, black and white or monochrome is fine for right now. If you do that I can give you more feedback and maybe another redline.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 07:51:40 2015 No.1935782
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>>1935778
AnonB here
So my Torso is actually acceptable?
The box on the drawing you did looks so good to tell where what is meant to be, better than what Ive been using
And a Tapered Cylinder you mean like a glass then one upside down

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 07:58:43 2015 No.1935785

>>1934354

Im fairly okish at not drawing with symbols, but i would apretiate tips in how to get completely rid of it.

Also my biggest problem right now is ratios. When im drawing from life i keep messing up my ratios and i have to remeasure (or however you call it) and redraw things severall times, like basic boxes/tubes drawing still take me too long, so i think im gonna stick with those for a while till i get them down. But still advice would be nice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:07:59 2015 No.1935789 >>1935578 Not that anon. But you mentioned using a ruler. Im struggling with straight lines at times, and trying to simply get better at freehanding them. Should i actually exercise that, or is it futile and should i just use a ruler?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:19:50 2015 No.1935792 This may be a stupid question, but the link in the sticky had Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain recommended, is The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain about the same/good as well, or should I look for the former?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:29:28 2015 No.1935797 >>1935792 It doesn't matter :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:35:10 2015 No.1935800 File: 36 KB, 433x695, Redo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935782 >>1935778 Helped out with the hips But the legs are still bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:36:17 2015 No.1935802 >>1935797 Thanks, mate.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:42:20 2015 No.1935807

>>1933338

you're not below average - average dude!

Your work is amazing.

Amazingly bad.

I'd say you're still a straight up beginner.

BEGINNER--|-----------------------------------GOD

YOU'RE AT THE LINE ^

No offence to you, just stating a fact. Also, to get out of the beginner gap you must have a good understanding of the fundamentals. Which embody a lot of things in art.

Even if you understand fundamentals you're not god tier, you're just average. Mileage and experience make you god tier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 08:58:10 2015 No.1935822 File: 314 KB, 1089x841, tips from random anon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935778 >>1935782 Not those anons, but would you be talking about this image?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 09:09:31 2015 No.1935825 >>1935789 As a beginner, only use a ruler when defining the perspective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 09:12:08 2015 No.1935827 File: 111 KB, 800x450, how did i fuck this up.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I decided to relax by doing a wireframe trace to understand construction and forms. How did I fuck that up?

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 09:52:42 2015 No.1935838

>>1935822
Yep, that's the one.
>>1935800
>>1935782
Yeah, a glass is a good analogy. I wouldnt say you're torso is acceptable yet, but you did a better job on it than the hips. At least I could see some sort of logic behind how you drew it.
I have to tell you, the turn around time on this was way to fast. Spend more time on it if you're actually going to redo it. You need to do more anatomy studies and more gestures. The basics are all you need. You got a lot of work ahead of you to get them down, but you can do it if you focus. Read some more books on construction and draw, draw, draw.
Just curious, what tools are you using to draw?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 09:59:49 2015 No.1935841 >>1935838 Uhh, I use a Brush and layers on my cheap Wacom, I dont have any fancy tools for drawing, hardly any references ever really Going to start Loomis Figure drawing tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 10:33:11 2015 No.1935848 File: 138 KB, 1024x768, oop11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] copied a few of bridgman's hand illustrations so now i'm starting to get hands (except for foreshortening). sort of obvious to tell which are the copies

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 10:33:50 2015 No.1935849 File: 92 KB, 1080x753, trying is the first step to failure 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Still trying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 10:33:58 2015 No.1935850 File: 131 KB, 953x707, oop12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935848

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 10:37:05 2015 No.1935853 File: 145 KB, 976x739, oop13.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935850 got ahead of myself in hampton's book in the anatomy section oops.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 10:50:12 2015 No.1935861

Currently watching this video on drawing gestures, can someone confirm what he's saying and drawing is accurate? I just don't get this distinction of "drawing what you feel, not what you see". And the first two-minute gesture he does doesn't look terribly accurate to me. Is there something I'm not getting, or is this guy a hack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j39NqwL7s4&list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 11:22:35 2015 No.1935879 >>1935838 You're such a great teacher. If only I was good enough to get advice from you. I'm still trying basic anatomy shapes, but whenever you draw advice for others, I save them for future references in case I have troubles in those specific fields.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 12:35:50 2015 No.1935939
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>>1935778
AnonA here. Thanks for the advice, I'll look into his books. I do learn faster from watching streams/YT toots but I think I can still benefit from reading his stuff. Here is the reference I used from another /ic/ thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 12:45:07 2015 No.1935941 >>1935861 FEEEELING the gesture is more about imagining yourself doing the pose and drawing from that. Instead of thinking in terms of body parts you think in terms verbs/action. Is this helping out at all?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 12:46:25 2015 No.1935942 >>1935861 Can you post some screenshots? Don't wanna make a Youtube account just to look at this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 13:05:43 2015 No.1935951 >>1935942 Why can't you watch it? If there is an age restriction just changed the URL. Remove /watch?v= with /v/ and you can watch it without any problem

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 13:51:28 2015 No.1935984

>>1935789
Both. Many professional artists have said they used to fill pages with just lines, the purpose is to learn the motor control to create effortless stright lines. If youre not there yet, use a ruler specially for perspective or man made objects (which tend to be unnaturally straight)

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 13:58:14 2015 No.1935990
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>>1935941
Elaborating on this becuse its a common question

"How to FEEEEELZ the gesture"

Are you familer with relief sculpture?

Wiki defines it as (Relief, or relievo rilievo, Latin verb relevo, to raise.) To create a sculpture in relief is to give the impression that the sculpted material has been raised above the background plane."

See picture

If your pencil was a knife, and your paper was a block of clay or wood. You want to "carve" your lines into the paper. (I like to imagen the tactile feeling of "carving ice") Where ever you lay down a line will be pushing into the canvas and brings whatever shape you are describing with your line into the forefront. Your goal is to push away the background and make the figure "pop forward"

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 14:06:32 2015 No.1936002
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>>1935984

Ok will do. Also my elipses suck really bad. 3 images numbered by wich one i started with, then scribbles then another attempt. How do i stup beeing bad.

Some input on what i did wrong is always apretiated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 14:15:40 2015 No.1936008 I just did 50 gestures (almost all 60 sec each) and damn, is that tiring I got really sloppy towards the end, sigh. But I'm glad I did it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 14:28:08 2015 No.1936018 >>1936002 Do as this anon said, >>1935984 Maybe i can help you how to practice lines, with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 14:31:40 2015 No.1936019 >>1936008 everyone gets tired after tham many gestures. Do around 10-20 for warmup (30sec-1min ones) an then do 10 more detailed ones (2 to 5 minutes) No use in drawing more if you can't stay focused.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 14:50:43 2015 No.1936037 >>1935990 God Bless the Confederacy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 15:06:41 2015 No.1936046 >>1936018 Oh neat thanks a lot, that video is definetly helpfull.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 15:46:05 2015 No.1936067

>>1935951
Cool trick; thanks!

>>1935861
The guy's gestures are passable, but they can be much, much better. Just get the Vilppu videos and read Michael Hampton's book. The feel vs see thing takes time, with the biggest beginner's mistake being drawing the contour instead of where the body parts are going/doing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 15:49:51 2015 No.1936068 >>1936019 yeah, it was definitely a one time experiment. it was cool to see the extent of my stamina, tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 17:00:00 2015 No.1936144 >>1936067 I think I'm doing all right and drawing motion instead of contour? Here's the gestures I've done: >>1934974 >>1935088 >>1935443 They're mostly skeletons though, what do I need to do to move from where I am to drawing real gestures?

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 17:10:16 2015 No.1936155

i've actually been doing studies now (albeit for a couple of weeks) and i felt like shit because I didn't know if anything was sticking or not. but lo and behold, i've just started a new work and holy shit, have i improved.

studies help even if it doesn't feel like it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 17:33:43 2015 No.1936181 >>1936144 you're drawing stick figures, draw volume 9-12 in the last are on the right track

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 20:41:08 2015 No.1936333 File: 69 KB, 1400x600, Quick.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CONSTRUCTION IS HARD

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 20:41:21 2015 No.1936334
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>>1935027
>>1935052
>draw from reference
I don't particularly enjoy drawing from reference, which is why I rarely do it - I'll try to get into the habit of drawing from references, but I much prefer the trial and error style of drawing from imagination (and not even copying manga or anything), then comparing to refs.

I always find myself spending too much time measuring to get a good likeness.

>want to do stylized work
as I said, most of them were never drawn with the intention of stylization, they "just came out like that". I'm also aiming for the ability to conciously stylize, and not copy

>draw realistically
what people or beginners on /ic/ don't seem to understand that we all have our tendencies and habits to do stuff a certain way (like symbol drawing)

If you look closely at the faces I posted I always tried to adjust proportions (from really big eyes in the first canvas, to somewhat more realistic with each progression) whenever I felt something was obviously off

Also todays excerpt: top two from imagination, then analysis of vs. traces of lineart

What most people here don't seem to realize either: beginners will probably see those traces as some kind of stylization or ">muh style" stuff anyway, even though they are traced from real life photos.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 22:48:08 2015 No.1936406

Guys, I think I might have a problem.
I tried to draw still life and shit from the real world, but I simply can't force myself to grind table or boring shit. I can do well as it is with shapes, although that was probably from doodling a dick load when I was a kid.
Now that I'm taking art serously, I just want to get good and draw as much as possible, but I still can't force myself to draw boring ass stuff, even though I fear that this will irreparably hinder my skill as an artist.
Is it possible to get good at drawing itself, before I go back to basics.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 22:56:36 2015 No.1936409
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>>1936181
>>1936144
Did some more gestures, this time with volume, included the original references as well. Didn't limit myself on time, but still went pretty quickly. Tried some stuff out, not really happy with how they turned out, though.

(sorry for resolution, had to make it smaller)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 22:59:32 2015 No.1936411 File: 88 KB, 930x599, 0023.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think I finally drew some gestures properly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 23:21:19 2015 No.1936433 >>1936409 You look to be getting ahead of yourself. Have you study any basic anatomy before tackling gestures?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 6 23:39:36 2015 No.1936447 >>1936433 Not really, no. How does one practice anatomy? Is the problem with my gestures the inaccuracy of the anatomy?

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 23:45:37 2015 No.1936450

>>1936447

No, your gestures ARE off but you just need to practice them more.

Gesture is just the raw movement of the figure, I think the big problem is that you are trying to capture the contour instead. Focus on long, flowing lines instead of stiff outlining.

Anatomy is used in construction, you just need a very basic understand of it for just practicing gesture.

Anonymous Tue Jan 6 23:58:58 2015 No.1936457

>>1936450
Did I do a better job of getting the movement here?
>>1934974
>>1935088
>>1935443
I feel like I had the basic movements down in those, was I still missing something?

Sorry, I'm not typically someone who does drawing (I'm actually a programmer, more of a STEM person in general), so all of this "feel the movement" stuff makes no sense to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 02:38:55 2015 No.1936543 File: 53 KB, 1500x1500, 1-6-2015 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] crits are welcomed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 02:40:36 2015 No.1936545 File: 220 KB, 736x1011, 777438ddbbda7589c85ff853f80710b9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1935753 Study Pay attention to things like muscles

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 02:52:16 2015 No.1936549 >>1933420 learn to correct the color temperture of your camera. nice shading btw.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 02:56:24 2015 No.1936551 >>1936411 nope, still contours only

Anonymous Wed Jan 7 03:24:44 2015 No.1936574
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>>1936409
I'm not that good, but here's my gestures of your same images (and a rendering of 1, done on top of the gesture).

It's more about the movement of the masses, and weight distribution. That's what you're trying to get down.

Also, are you using a mouse? That's a pretty bad way to start drawing. Get paper and a pencil.

Anonymous Wed Jan 7 06:02:56 2015 No.1936647
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How do I measure how wide my drawing should be
Loomis says the widest point of the torso should be 2 heads and the thinnest part of the waist is 1 head
But is that a head from ear to ear, or top to chin?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 06:45:22 2015 No.1936653 File: 414 KB, 1200x1000, oop14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] first time doing gestures digitally. so much harder damn

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 06:51:09 2015 No.1936656 >>1936647 Now, i might not be the master artist. But cant you google an image of a person and just measure it yourself?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:05:36 2015 No.1936667 File: 1.34 MB, 1944x2592, IMG_20150107_085739.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] help with the legs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:07:04 2015 No.1936670 >>1936667 You need help for a lot more than just the legs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:09:48 2015 No.1936671 >>1936667 Anon, look at those arms

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:10:41 2015 No.1936672 >>1936670 i know, but the legs are the worst. I tryed to do what my proffesor and my book said. can you point out the flaws so i can try to fix it?

Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:23:54 2015 No.1936675

>>1936672
You lack an understanding of basic perspective and construction. You also lack anatomical knowledge. Not to mention the really stiff figure, which probably means you haven't really gotten gestures down well. I would redline it but there's too much to redline.

Focus on the basics first.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:27:32 2015 No.1936677 File: 1.44 MB, 1944x2592, arms.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1936671 arms better y/n?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:30:28 2015 No.1936679 >>1936677 Its way to short, Double the length

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:31:05 2015 No.1936680 >>1936675 in my last class the proffesor pointed to me that i drew the hips to big and that tits wherent just happy baloons but i had to draw the pectorals and then the tits over and it had to make sense. I was trying to work on those two things

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:40:07 2015 No.1936688 File: 1.49 MB, 1944x2592, arms2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1936679 how about now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:41:52 2015 No.1936689 >>1936688 Bit better, still could use some work, go study some anatomy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 07:43:37 2015 No.1936692 >>1936689 can you help me with the legs please?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:02:49 2015 No.1936701 >>1936692 and thanks for the help with the arms

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:04:02 2015 No.1936702 >>1936692 Not him but what do your legs look like, also are you using reference?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:05:17 2015 No.1936703 >>1936702 im really fat, i have no reference for legs at all, legs were not taught in my class

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:09:56 2015 No.1936704 >>1936702 oh wait I see it From how I see it her right leg should be more behind her and her left calve wouldn't be see that much

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:18:27 2015 No.1936706 File: 1.05 MB, 2592x1944, legs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1936704 im still not happy with them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:20:17 2015 No.1936709 File: 1.07 MB, 1944x2592, legs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] im still not happy with the legs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:35:00 2015 No.1936719 File: 585 KB, 800x1067, redline.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1936709 you're pushing the calves out too much, they shouldn't protrude like that here my take on it but take it with a grain of salt, it's far from perfect

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:42:46 2015 No.1936721 >>1936719 ok thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 08:59:21 2015 No.1936726 File: 1.28 MB, 1944x2592, legs 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1936719

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 09:06:03 2015 No.1936728 >>1936653 Sorry for the off-topicness, but did you reference Edge of Tomorrow for #11?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 09:16:42 2015 No.1936730 >>1936726 You're legs are too long they should be about the same length of torso+body, and you're still doing some weird shit with calves. Your thigh is different lengths between the 2 legs. Just go draw reference and learn anatomy please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 09:18:12 2015 No.1936731 >>1936730 torso+head*

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 09:22:01 2015 No.1936733 >>1936730 thanks for all the help but im done drawing until the afternoon, i thought the calves looked cool like that like superheroes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 10:49:16 2015 No.1936773 File: 280 KB, 867x596, oop15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed Jan 7 11:16:07 2015 No.1936782
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Sorry for poor image quality and the big X, didn't like it but figured I needed advice. I'm finding it hard to make figures 3-D from the front and back, does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

General critque welcome.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 11:21:39 2015 No.1936787 >>1935939 Aaand saved

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 11:24:43 2015 No.1936791 >>1935778 The gesture looks completely different and to forced.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 12:10:49 2015 No.1936814 How should I prevent taking too much time on a drawing or a practice piece when in the beginner stage? Outside of when doing timed poses. Even things like drawing hands takes me a long time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 12:11:57 2015 No.1936816 File: 351 KB, 891x732, oop16.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1936773 eh im gonna move onto the next study

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 12:45:26 2015 No.1936848 >>1936816 Can you share some of your knowledge with me? I'd like to know what brush settings you're working with.

Anonymous Wed Jan 7 13:06:09 2015 No.1936870

>>1936848
I use Manga Studio 5 and PS (mostly MS5) but I mostly use the basic hard brush with density/opacity (respectively) pressure on. Lots of colorpicking and repainting to blend.

Sometimes I use a oil pastel-based brush for softer edges. That's about it? I don't know if this is useful or not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 15:22:57 2015 No.1937015 File: 583 KB, 953x725, oop17.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not too happy with this. Pupil+iris placement is always too damn difficult. Gonna use more darks next time. At least I'm got over my fear of non-stylized portraits?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 15:25:22 2015 No.1937018 >>1937015 that's not a very natural expression to start with

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 15:26:57 2015 No.1937023 >>1937018 yeah, bad decision in hindsight. gonna pick a safer ref tomorrow, sigh

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 15:46:35 2015 No.1937045 File: 1.18 MB, 2592x1944, IMG_20150107_213504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I keep trying but those just won't look three-dimensional wat do

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 16:13:02 2015 No.1937065 New: >>1937059

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 17:17:13 2015 No.1937120 File: 119 KB, 1280x720, WIN_20150107_171335.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my shitty notebook on my shitty laptop camera. If anyone can make out the stuff what should I be focusing on right now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 19:35:23 2015 No.1937240 File: 301 KB, 2000x2400, gay.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933180 ehhh

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 7 20:05:16 2015 No.1937260 File: 2.91 MB, 3264x2448, still christmas 003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1933150 I tried.

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