Beginner Thread #39

[Anonymous No.1920738]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1916925

[Anonymous No.1920755]

I'm gonna ask again since i never get a solid reply.
How do i get good at controlling my arm, just keep practicing shapes or is there something else i can do?
I'm doing both pen and paper and digital.

[Anonymous No.1920758]

I find this really motivating, not sure why

[Anonymous No.1920769]

>>1920758
probably because youre gay

[Anonymous No.1920782]

How do I build up perspective?

[Anonymous No.1920787]

>>1920782
You practice over and over again until you get it right. Try drawing some normal stuff that you'd draw and incorporate perspective into them. Nothing big straight from the get go, because it'll 100% look like shit. Baby steps.

[Anonymous No.1920792]

how is this looking? im interested in the values mostly

[Anonymous No.1920793]

>>1920782
Build your line confidence and get good at drawing cubes. Start making perspective grids and fill it with basic forms keeping in mind how they correlate with each other.

[Anonymous No.1920798]

>>1920755
You just need to use your arm as much as you can. You could try writing with your arm too.

[Anonymous No.1920799]

>>1920793
Yeah that, how can I study Perspective grids

[Anonymous No.1920808]

>>1920755

Drawing well isnt a result of mastering small aspects of it piece by piece m8. Just practice other basic things while paying attention to the quality of your linework and control of your hand.

You could check out the first video of Peter Han's Dyanamic Sketching, or whatever the fuck its called, on youtube, but to be honest, if you're going to just practice drawing basic shapes and lines you might as well apply them to basic forms. E.g. using two ellipses and two straights to draw a cylinder, 1 circle and 2 ellipses to draw a sphere, a few straights to draw a cube etc.

It'll of course be shit at first but you'll gain experience doing other things at the same time.

[Anonymous No.1920809]

Didn't really focus on the face/hair at all in this one, just trying to get some decent body practice in.

[Anonymous No.1920815]

>>1920809
ribs are sort of overly obvious, even in the thumbnail. lighten the values and dont bring them so far down. other than the values and form looks good to me. but then again im >>1920792
so what do i know.

[Anonymous No.1920832]

I managed to fuck up the size when editing it together though, and I cant be orked to scan it all over again

[Anonymous No.1920839]

>>1920799
ernest norling perspective made easy

[Anonymous No.1920846]

>>1920738
>Practice makes Perfect!
You sure? because I draw all day(I got far more free time than I deserve) and I dont feel like I am getting any better.

[Anonymous No.1920858]

Hate to repost it but this post ended with the thread. Hope it's ok if I post my question here again.


As i said: I only do chickenscretches. Long lines are not my thing but i have to learn this.
This pic here is an example from some gestures I drew. Everyone took me like 10min which is to long i guess.
Should i just speed up the lines or should i keep doing it like this until i become faster?

[Anonymous No.1920862]

>>1920858
You're drawing on contours. You need to draw the forms.

[Anonymous No.1920940]

>>1920792
Lighten up the breast on the right a little bit. Also I know you're interested in the values but try to fix those legs. They look a tad short.

[Anonymous No.1920971]

>>1920738
Who drew the one on the far right? I'm wondering what they study.

[Anonymous No.1921151]

Starting my first step with Loomis. I like this book. Should I take my time with it, or try to complete it as quickly as possible?

[Anonymous No.1921158]

>>1921151
Looks way better than mine did ;_;

[Anonymous No.1921159]

>>1921151

Take your time, don't be afraid to read ahead of consult other books. Perspective Made Easy is a great beginner book you should also check out.

[Anonymous No.1921162]

>>1921158
>>1921159
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind. I checked out the MEGA thread with the boatload of books, so I should have some of the beginner books as well as some for inspiration.

[Anonymous No.1921166]

Is there something I can learn from watching people LiveSteam?

[Anonymous No.1921172]

How do you guys feel about tracing? Do you think someone might benefit from it if they tried it along with their practice or is it something that should be avoided at all costs?
I'm obviously referring to tracing for practice purposes and not using it in a real drawing. Just getting the hang of real proportions and where things go on the body.

[Anonymous No.1921175]

>>1920858

You shouldn't be taking that long to draw everything out like that. Just quick, clean lines to get the motion down. No matter how bad it looks, just keep trying with the long, clean lines. It's not a matter of the drawing taking longer than it's supposed to, if you're spending more than a couple minutes on it you're missing the point of the exercise.

A gesture drawing isn't really a construction study either, keep that in mind. You might want to practice with a figure drawing book, just getting down a good construction method, building the figure out of three dimensional shapes. You don't have to get it perfect right away, just practice a basic figure model, make sure your proportions are good, and then apply that with your gesture drawings. Then you have a practical way of drawing out the figure so you can focus on capturing action quickly and elegantly rather then scratching out contours for 10 minutes trying to make everything look right.

Keep things simple and loose for gestures. Nice long flowing action lines.

[Anonymous No.1921176]

>>1921172
It serves no purpose whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.1921180]

>>1921172
>>1921176
What about Tracing over an image for just the Gesture

[Anonymous No.1921182]

>>1921180
I don't see what purpose that would serve. You're going to fucking suck when you start drawing. Just accept it, and keep practicing, even if the results are bad.

[Anonymous No.1921183]

>>1921172

As long as you're analyzing the model and learning. Could help with hand-eye coordination too if you're just starting out, and you're really having trouble keeping steady. Just do it alongside your regular practice stuff, don't make it too significant a chunk of your time. If you have to choose between tracing or not, then don't trace.

It's important to practice getting everything placed properly by eye, or you'll just end up with skewed looking drawings when you're not tracing something. You don't want to make a crutch out of it that you don't need.

[Anonymous No.1921195]

>Have whole day free
>Go to download the Infographs to read all of them
>File is corrupt
God damnit why

[Anonymous No.1921217]

Took a run at the OP pic. Ugh. Felt good while drawing, now that I look at the finished product, I am disappointed. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.1921225]

>>1920971
Gestures and anatomy. Though I would like to get my construction better. Whenever I get really stuck I watch gesture or anatomy videos in youtube.

[Anonymous No.1921236]

>>1920738
What do you faggots do when you try to copy a picture?
I remember reading "Drawing on the right side of the brain" many years ago, and she made a point out of simply copying what you see, by abstracting the contours and lines, and not seeing the object itself.

I do the opposite. I reconstruct the image by interpretaing it in my mind and drawing the shapes and forms, essentially building the figure from scratch and not directly copying the lines, like I would if I was drawing from my imagination. Of course, some things I have to copy directly, but by and large, I essentially reconstruct it from how my mind understands form.

Also, what do they teach in art classes? The former, latter or both?

[Anonymous No.1921251]

>>1921236
If you read that book, then you should know what you are doing is symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.1921261]

>>1921251
No.
Symbol drawing is drawing abstracted symbols, because you don't understand how to see or how to show form and volume.
I'm talking about people who've actually developed some basic skill, and if they copy lines or if they construct. I have a strong feeling people are taught both, but have a focus on the latter, given that simply copying lines doesn't work when you're not working from reference.

[Anonymous No.1921262]

Still trying to figure out how folds on clothes work and get drawing clothes into my comfort zone. I swear this thing is like a rubik's cube and my brain just overloads.

How am i doing guys?

[Anonymous No.1921275]

,_,

im getting worst

[Anonymous No.1921277]

lol i missed the file

[Anonymous No.1921325]

>>1921225
The style it's drawn in some in a unique way. I was wondering as to how drew in such fashion? Also, how did you get the hair? I've never looked up ways to draw hair, but I really liked the way the hair is done in that drawing.

[Anonymous No.1921333]

>>1921325
I really can't explain on the style I used but I just drew her as realistic I can as possible. I omitted some of her features though like her abs or how I changed the position of her right foot.
As for the hair, I just followed the flow of her hair. I'm still struggling with it.

[Anonymous No.1921334]

>>1921277
>>1921275
Take more measurements and more time setting things up. If need be start by drawing the silhouette as accurately as you can and refining from there

[Anonymous No.1921346]

>>1921333
I like this work a lot. Thanks for the image here as it actually gave me some insight as to how to tackle this matter. I really appreciate your work and I hope you post more in the future.

[Anonymous No.1921354]

>>1921275

Focus on getting the angles right. use your pencil as an eye measure

[Anonymous No.1921381]

>>1921277
perspective is wrong

[Anonymous No.1921399]

>>1920738
Started workin a bit more on op's pic, ill post t he finished one later in the nigth if i finish it. I feel as though I keep making my heads too small though?

[Anonymous No.1921400]

>>1921399
forgot pic... yet again

[Anonymous No.1921418]

>>1921399
>>1921400

It looks a bit elongated to me. Same with the torso.

[Anonymous No.1921502]

>>1921400
I don't like the lack of a foundation under the ribcage. I think with a nice box or something where the abs are would help fix the curves along her torso's right side a bit. Also her arm that's holding the spear looks a bit off angle. Try focusing on negative space.

[Anonymous No.1921669]

/ic/, I am a beginner who just started looking at famous painters throughout history. My Favs are

Van Gogh: I like the colors
Monet: I like the colors
Klimt: I like the colors... and Elfen Lied
De Hooch: I love how he includes the floor and ceiling in his paintings
Friedrich: Holy Cow, I feel like I'm inside the painting!
Hokkusai: Cause yah, I like this style and the colors

And now Im asking:

Who are the most popular modern artists on /ic/ or just your personal favs? Preferibly, animu style artists... Oh, and gothic lolita is a fetish of mine, Shinku, Ruri, and what not, but nothing so gothic its depressing.

[Anonymous No.1921682]

need advice

[Anonymous No.1921683]

>>1921333
>>1921346
yah dude, what he said, post more!

[Anonymous No.1921692]

Tried a self-portrait...

[Anonymous No.1921694]

Do you guys have the image of "the way" of doing values?

[Anonymous No.1921700]

>>1921694
This one?

[Anonymous No.1921701]

>>1921669
Murata

[Anonymous No.1921710]

>>1921700
Yes. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1921723]

>>1921701
I was looking for more of some artist on pixiv instead of mange recs, but thanks for the reply, and yeah one-punch man is popular. Haven't bothered to read it yet though.

[Anonymous No.1921765]

>>1921262
Good. actually.
If you have the loomis books, try reading the documentation about clothes there.

[Anonymous No.1921791]

Loomis right?

[Anonymous No.1921810]

look at the filename

[Anonymous No.1921813]

>>1921810
where are no nipples

[Anonymous No.1921818]

>>1921813
Sorry.


I forgot them

[Anonymous No.1921861]

so?

[Anonymous No.1921863]

>>1921861
looks qtp2t

[Anonymous No.1921884]

>>1921861
balloons are too small.

[Anonymous No.1921901]

>>1921861
>good old 3/4 perspective
>heavily stylized

Cute, but ain't gonna win any awards nor technical enough to warrant actual critiques.

[Anonymous No.1921919]

Finally got these down, it's all about referencing. It becomes a lot of fun seeing the different avenues you can take without going too far out of the page/canvas.

There are two fundamental aspects of this drawing that define how accurate the spiral staircase is as well as how much of a novice you are, can you find out what those are?

[Anonymous No.1921931]

>>1921810
bump

[Anonymous No.1921946]

>>1921810
Have you tried breaking it down to shapes or doing a simple gesture?

[Anonymous No.1921963]

How do I get nice, crisp details in oil paints?

[Anonymous No.1921973]

I like to listen to asmrs for a weird positive reinforcement. Especially when Im frustrated, I take a sec to think then fix any problems i come across. I still need to improve just about everything

[Anonymous No.1922007]

>>1921765
Documentation about clothes? i thought lomis only covers anatomy?

[Anonymous No.1922030]

>>1922007
Fun with a pencil page 68-73 has some hats, suits, shoes and dresses. I'm sure there's more in other books of his, but that's what I can recall right now.

[Anonymous No.1922090]

I'm not done yet but does anything look off?

[Anonymous No.1922095]

>>1922090
Fingertip creases look weird without any halfway down the finger

[Anonymous No.1922136]

>>1922090
shoulder/trapezius anatomy

[Anonymous No.1922137]

>>1922136
whats wrong with it bro

[Anonymous No.1922141]

Is this good?

[Anonymous No.1922143]

>>1922090
draw the robo bean of that pose

[Anonymous No.1922147]

today practices

[None !cX9vfe1gTU No.1922190]

posting shit to get over my anxiety of showing my shit

please widen my butthole ty.

Top left, orange from life
top right, really old pikachu toy thing from life
bottom, bargue plate study

[Anonymous No.1922192]

>>1922190
didn't mean to post with trip goddammit

[Anonymous No.1922198]

>>1922190

That plate is sick, nice job

[Anonymous No.1922202]

I've not given up, I'll post stuff after a couple days. Question on anatomy. In the facial construction, even in heavily stylized manga eyes, the lower part of the eyelid always needs to sits... erm, on the line following to the cheekbones? If that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.1922203]

>>1922190
more random shit i did because i lack direction
left, anatomy and random face from imagination/memory and random scribbles for no reason
right, riley abstraction study from memory

"i must never get out of my comfort zone lest i hurt my ego" - me, everyday

>>1922198
hey, thanks, man. i really hated doing it

[Anonymous No.1922238]

How does this look?

[Anonymous No.1922241]

>>1922238
I like the style but the ribcage looks a bit uneven, and the left breast looks significantly smaller than the right one.

[Anonymous No.1922252]

>>1920792
okay so i finished this. i feel like i spent way to long doing this (3 hours ish). but whatever. i know one of the feet is wrong but how does it look overall, especially the face/hair?

[Anonymous No.1922281]

Practicing heads, in the way of Loomis. I'll post more in a couple day when I've practiced more.

I colored them... to make it fun.

[Anonymous No.1922290]

>>1922238
Honestly, it's not terrible. You've got the beginnings of a decent artist. Don't slack, you've got tons of work ahead of you, but it looks like you're on the right track. Post more complete work next time.

[Anonymous No.1922295]

>>1922290

ur doing gods work anon

[Anonymous No.1922324]

>>1922290
Thanks for that, that looks lovely. Just a few questions:

-I made it lopsided because I meant for her to be tilted a bit, was this a mistake or did I just make it too lopsided?
-What did I do wrong with the knee?
-Do you have a tumblr or something where I can follow and bother you with more questions?

[Anonymous No.1922325]

>>1922290
>That belly
I needed this

[Anonymous No.1922338]

>>1922290
What are you even doing in the beginner threads when you are in this level?

[Anonymous No.1922340]

>>1922338
Im assuming teaching? In the most effective way

[Anonymous No.1922346]

How Vital is good posture? I can only draw on my couch on top of a board game because I dont own a Table

[Anonymous No.1922348]

>>1922346
do you anything like an island in your kitchen? thats what i use i do all my drawing standing if its practical for you

[Anonymous No.1922352]

>>1922348
Yeah, but its a bit tall, my manlet elbows are under the bench, standing does sound like a good idea

[Lazy No.1922381]

>>1922346
If you are just drawing for fun and hobby, no problem, do whatever.
If you are working LESS than 35 hours a week with a desk job - okay, alright, do the couch thing, could work.

If you want to study a lot, if you want to draw next to a job where you sit a lot or if you want to go pro consider investing in a desk and an office chair.
Again, a desk and an office chair (with adjustable height, a backrest that you can either fix or move and preferably with armrests).
Not a sofa, not a garden chair, not a chair made out of wood, not one of those inflatbale balls and none of those kneeling chairs or whatever. Those are moneysinks and not good if you plan to sit for longer periods of time.
Desk, office chair.

Oh, and consider learning Yoga and doing this stuff daily or every second day.
As well as hand, arm and shoulder stretches.
There are enough youtube videos that teach that thing for free.
If your back hurts now, it's most likley that your back is overstretched, so look specifically for stretches of the chest and abs.

I am 30, and I and my cricle of friends experienced slipped vertebra discs, lumbagos, tingling hands thanks to trapped nerves, carpal tunnel, tennis ellbow, golfers ellbow, massivley shortened glutes and hamstrings and backpain, shoulderpain and headaches for years and years.
Prevention goes a long way.

[Anonymous No.1922384]

>>1922352
>>1922352
im 5'8" and the top of mine comes just above the elbow, it actually fits in my bicep insertion perfectly. ive never had a problem with, though id be fucked if i used a large sketchbook/tablet

[Anonymous No.1922392]

>>1922381
This, please listen to this guy.

[Anonymous No.1922397]

Good thing that /ic/ doesn't feel like a dead boards when its sa/su.

[Anonymous No.1922400]

Working on a BW value study. Pretty new to painting, it was way harder than I thought ;_; Feels really airbrushed right now and I'm trying to add more texture to it, any tips?

[Anonymous No.1922419]

>>1922252
here, im working on this now. any feedback is welcome!

[Anonymous No.1922434]

Shit i didn't draw for a day. Should I consider suicide?

[Anonymous No.1922439]

>>1922434
The question is not should I, but why haven't you already.

[Anonymous No.1922440]

>>1922400
I worked more on the thing. I think the nose area is kinda muddy, but oh well. I know something's vaguely off but I don't know what, any critique would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.1922447]

>>1922419
Too much empty space, you should block in the larger masses before doing details, that way you can plan your composition.
Also too much white, start with a middle value on your whole canvas.

>>1922400
Looking good, try not to rely on contour when painting, it flattens the image most of the time, just use value like you did for the nose. Ear is very flat, so are the eyes and the mouth. The white background might fuck up all your values.

[Anonymous No.1922449]

>>1922439
Let's be honest. It's not a big deal. Everyone needs a break

[Anonymous No.1922468]

some more random practices

[Anonymous No.1922514]

>>1922338
The truth? When I'm feeling uninspired or frustrated, I lurk /ic/ and do redlines. It reminds me to go back to the basics and keeps me drawing. I don't usually post them since I'm a delicate flower and I get insulted when I do, but sometimes I post them anyway. Besides that, if it's only beginners here, it's sort of like the blind leading the blind. I'm not a pro or anything, but I can give decent advice.

>>1922324
I don't think there is anything wrong with your idea of tilting the ribcage. I don't think it's necisary for the pose, but it's possible. It means you're thinking about gravity on some level so that's good, you just didn't execute it right. The problem goes back to your construction. If there was a tilt towards the viewer, there eould be some pinching at the waist. It looks like the rib cage is on straight angle but the breasts are tilted. Keep your angles right, think about how the forms would tumble on top of eachother. Also the beasts are 2 different sizes.

The knee looks like it's bent at the lower leg instead of being at the place where the upper lwg and lower leg meet. What can i say? Just looks wrong to me man.

I like being an anon, but if you've got to ask something, use this Tumblr:
Bitzon.tumblr.com

[Anonymous No.1922519]

>>1922514
>insulting
Fuck them. You are the most worthy here.

[Anonymous No.1922547]

>>1922468
Good. Now drop the ruler and draw directly with the pen.

[Anonymous No.1922548]

trying to design shoes.

[Anonymous No.1922555]

I'm reading keys to drawing, and Bert Dodson talks about the rules of shape, to draw the biggest shape, the smaller shapes, the lighting shapes etc, so far this process has been working for me, especially when I made some attempts at drawing humans in college during down time.
>Gary Panter says: 6. Sit somewhere and draw fast little drawings of people who are far away enough that you can only see the big simple shapes of their coats and bags and arms and hats and feet. Draw a lot of them. People are alike yet not — reduce them to simple and achievable shapes.

I'm not sure if my approach is proper or not.

[Anonymous No.1922561]

>>1921682
Push the gesture man, it might have good values but it's so boring and static

[Anonymous No.1922562]

First drawing of anything in almost a year. Graphics tablet shitted on itself and I lost all motivation to draw.

Reference is a picture of Arnold

[Anonymous No.1922566]

>>1922547
this >>1922147 are all made with no ruler

[Anonymous No.1922567]

>>1922548
i like them, maybe try different angles of the same design

[Anonymous No.1922648]

What is the motivation of you guys? Porn?

[Anonymous No.1922658]

>>1922648
To draw cute girls.

[Anonymous No.1922713]

>>1922658
this is a great motivation

[Anonymous No.1922748]

>>1922562
Shit man, pick up a pencil and get back on it. Motivation loss is a bitch to deal with but if you really enjoy it, don't let the loss of a medium keep you from drawing.

[Anonymous No.1922770]

>>1922648

I've been practicing hard core sketching the past couple days. Today I had a co worker come up while I was sketching and said, 'What are you drawing? It looks like Maleficent.'

Any other time in my life its, 'Hey, that looks cool. What are you drawing?' (Mind you, I'm usually drawing a person, yet my proportions have brought up "abstract", "alien", and "terrifying".) I was so fucking happy that this person was like, 'Hey, its Maleficient.'

That is my motivation.

[Anonymous No.1922798]

What should we do for our next study?

[Anonymous No.1922816]

>>1922798

[Anonymous No.1922817]

Any tips for learning perspective? It's harder than i thought. Should i split up the body in parts? Also it's a part in the book: "loomis figuere drawing"

[Anonymous No.1922819]

>>1922817
>Should i split up the body in parts
yes.
and use as many boxes and cylinders as possible.

boxes are the easiest to place and the most telling for plane changes and directions and you can easily chisel/cut/add things.

The box is your friend.
Embrace it.

[Anonymous No.1922827]

>>1922819
How can I make the Boxes? what are the guidelines to this?

[Anonymous No.1922835]

>>1922827
>How can I make the Boxes? what are the guidelines to this?

>>1922805

[Anonymous No.1922836]

>>1922827

>construct a roughly man sized box in 2-point perspective
>divide into 8 equal parts
>construct man therein

[Anonymous No.1922839]

>>1921159
is Perspective Made Easy an alternative to Loomis?

[Anonymous No.1922857]

>>1922839
They supplement each other. You should tackle Perspective Made Easy before Successful Drawing.

[Anonymous No.1922910]

>>1922857
Thanks for a genuine answer.

[Anonymous No.1922913]

How's my loomis? Any criticism welcome

[Anonymous No.1922915]

I am about to start my second year of being an art student. I am frustrated beyond belief. I can look at art better than mine and realize what they did to make it look like that. Meanwhile, my are looks like shit, and when I try to incorporate those things in and or try to fix them, it keeps looking like shit.

Its like I can't get it past this part. It shouldn't look like this so let me fix it, spend an hour fixing it, fix it into something else equally wrong.
How is it possible to understand and be able to break down the right thing but not able to apply it to your own work?

If I am ever going to improve and hopefully get a job using my skills I can't be drawing like this.

[Anonymous No.1922923]

>>1922915
Dude just keep practicing. also work on your proportions, wtf, her arm is massive and her head is tiny.

[Anonymous No.1922936]

>>1922913

I like his character. Is he facing straight on? Maybe show the other side of the nose a little more?

[Anonymous No.1922949]

>>1922915
I think you screwed up on the proportion lines. Don't be afraid to keep a layer in the front hidden to check every now and then. Really helps if you flip the canvas too.

[Anonymous No.1922952]

>>1922915
It's wonderful that you are analyzing other's process,but it seems to me that you have to look at your own as well.Knowing and applying are two different things.

As humans we tend to over or under estimate our abilities to do something and we really won't know until we see our limits. Basically I'm just saying, OBSERVE YOUR PROGRESS.

Every stroke should have a purpose (i'm not saying deeply analyze every stroke but know why you put it there) Most of the stokes on yours seem to be scribbled on to give you a sense of were things should go,as if you're using trial and error to figure it out try using larger brushes and keeping the light and shadow areas more simple before going into to trying to blend.

Observe the neck muscles more that one big highlight looks harsh against the dark line makes the head looks out of place.

Proportion wise the torso is much thinner as well as the bottom half. The head is too low, in the original image check the chin to shoulder distance and that will help a bunch.

Also are you like in Art college or something? I would think they would tell you to try to make your drawings more tight before going into details or the many ways of constructing a figure.

[Anonymous No.1922957]

>>1922915

You ought to practice construction more and not just drawing what you see. That ought not to take you more than an hour or else you're wasting your time.

[Anonymous No.1923021]

>>1922836
>>1922835
Not me but the loomis part with the boxes does come a bit later. I guess i should just stick to the book and some gestures.

[Anonymous No.1923033]

Muh Style!

[Anonymous No.1923034]

Im really that bad? How to git gud? I dont want to copy Andrew Loomis or anyone, i want to discover my own style.

[Anonymous No.1923035]

I like simple things too.

[Anonymous No.1923036]

>>1923034

Arent you that faggot who was trying 2deep4u digital abstract stuff a few months ago?

[Anonymous No.1923084]

>>1922952
>it out try using larger brushes and keeping the light and shadow areas more simple before going into to trying to blend

The fact you couldn't tell that I had used gesture to get a pose, went in to add more detail to the figure, went refined than, then started to suggest form by adding in large brush values is a problem. I didn't keep them to separate layers, but if it doesn't look like I did something when I did it, then there is a problem.


>in Art college
State school with respectable art program. They have a huge boner for abstract. Drawing 1 was abstract forms with the occassional perspective drawing and still life. Drawing 2 was more still life and more abstract and collage.

Now I have access to Figure Drawing where I FINALLY get to draw people. I've been doing loomis and drawing from life in my student union but they haven't exactly taught it yet.

>>1922957
But all of the "draw a gesture and then fill it in" is the antithesis of "construction".

My understanding is the former is better for getting emotion and posture where as the latter creates more static forms. Here, let me redraw it with construction and you'll see why.

[Anonymous No.1923115]

>>1923034
You're gonna be copying something either way.
Even masters copy from real life

[Anonymous No.1923122]

so i just messed and made this thing that isn't a fucking batmobile so i could get a feel for lighting. get i get anything right?

[Anonymous No.1923196]

>>1923034
take out the christfag stuff and i think it looks pretty cool

[Anonymous No.1923201]

construction lines.

[Anonymous No.1923212]

>>1923201
>>1923201
An a properly resized figure from said construction lines.

[Anonymous No.1923224]

>>1923212
i can see a few a couple form issues. he face should be mostly over her left boob. you have it directly over the center of both boobs. check the negative space on her left side where she's holding her spear, its slightly off resulting in to much 'lats' where there should be anything. also, her forearms on her right arm are too big

[Anonymous No.1923291]

Good site for gestures? Want to do daily atleast 20 gestures before i practice other things.

[Anonymous No.1923299]

>>1923291
Croquis Cafe
Pixelovely
Outside world

[Anonymous No.1923342]

>going through sketchbook
>look at charcoal drawings
>that mess
At least I'm making these mistakes now

[Anonymous No.1923363]

Before I go further, can someone help me figure where I goofed on the proportions? I feel like her breasts are too small or her torso is too thin,

[Anonymous No.1923368]

>>1922913
Is this exercise from Fun with a Pencil? If so, did you jump straight into that book as your first study from the sticky?

[Anonymous No.1923379]

How's that? Can you at least tell what is it?

[Anonymous No.1923420]

been trying to draw this fucking shit

http://25.media.tumblr.com/d1fe3ebff7744bbf5eec1ee9fbae520b/tumblr_mmin8tLeMg1r6n80mo1_1280.jpg

[Anonymous No.1923430]

>>1923420
stop copying photographs dude

[Anonymous No.1923433]

>>1923430
Not him but what else

[Anonymous No.1923437]

>>1923430
Beginners should absolutely be working from photographs or life.

[Anonymous No.1923439]

>>1923430
what?

im not tracing, im just trying to draw something real, if you don't have anything constructive to say shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.1923471]

>>1923363
Arms are a bit short and the way the breasts are outlined makes it seem like they are held by an invisible bra.

[Anonymous No.1923477]

>>1922936
Christ you're right I didn't even >>1923368
Yes it's an exercise from fun with a pencil, this was the first face I created from my own imagination

[Anonymous No.1923479]

>>1923368
Yes and yes. This was the first drawing I did from imagination and it took me an exorbitant amount of time for a terrible end product, I realized the horrible perspective mistakes and other issues after looking at it later this morning

[Anonymous No.1923497]

>>1922514
You're cool, anon. Wish you were my tutor :3

[Anonymous No.1923498]

>>1923430
actually retarded

[Anonymous No.1923567]

When doing gesture practices, do I just directly draw the gesture as I see it (taking proportions into account, of course) or am I supposed to construct the figure using the Loomis method first? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1923614]

>>1923567
Bump
Also, is it even possible to be a good artist with hyperhidrosis? I fucking suck as it is, and getting the paper all gross makes it even worse. Even when I wear a glove over my hand, the sweat still seeps through. It's annoying as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1923616]

Any warm ups that you regularly do?
I keep on getting things in the way of drawing and now that I'm off for the holidays, I want to use it effectively.
I tend to get stuck at doing circles over and over again.

[Anonymous No.1923666]

>>1923614
carry around a towel and just do digital mang

[Anonymous No.1923691]

>>1923471
Thanks. I fixed the boobs a bit already. Now to work on the arms.

[Anonymous No.1923701]

>>1923666
Thanks, Satan. I would love to do digital, but i'm a poorfag. Hoping to get a tablet for Christmas this year.

[Anonymous No.1923815]

>>1923614
could also work with an easel.
you shouldn't have to touch the paper much if you're doin' it right.

[Anonymous No.1923835]

First time attempting something like this, i was just wondering how well i did on the overall proportions

[Anonymous No.1923844]

just draw this while browsing /s/

[Anonymous No.1923849]

>>1923844
original
legs looks a bit long and there are some slippings on pose

[Anonymous No.1923931]

[Anonymous No.1923932]

[Anonymous No.1923970]

[Anonymous No.1923993]

>>1923363
I updated this. I tried fixing the "invisible bra problem" and her arms as well as her a ton of other problems. Should I fix the face up before I move to rendering?

[Anonymous No.1924085]

>>1922290
Yours looks to forced.

[Anonymous No.1924088]

>>1920738
Trying to pick up drawing again after a long time.

[Anonymous No.1924090]

>>1924088

i believe in u anon

[Anonymous No.1924092]

>>1924088
Anyone any comments? Appreciate help or tips.

[Anonymous No.1924093]

>>1922562
Same person, but this is an attempt at painting the photo.

It was literally the first time I digitally painted a somewhat finished study. I have to say....this was so damn tedious. Took me over two hours!

I give credit to you guys who do this on a daily basis, that takes motivation

[Anonymous No.1924098]

>>1924092
we all do anon

[Anonymous No.1924100]

>>1924093
Ì love sketches so i like the first one. This also looks amazing,reminds me of a photo i have hanging of Herb Ritz

[Anonymous No.1924114]

>>1924085
What does?

[Anonymous No.1924116]

I cant find motivation to pick up my pencil anymore, its not that it hate my stuff, I just dont feel like it, but I want to fucking draw

[Anonymous No.1924173]

>>1924093
I'm in a similar situation. I haven't drawn in about 2 years now. Finally got a replacement tablet yesterday. Hopefully my motivation sticks around for me to do an exercise or two everyday.

[Anonymous No.1924203]

>>1923196

[Anonymous No.1924209]

>>1923993
you should fix everything you can before moving to rendering. it'll just make things harder if you don't.

[Anonymous No.1924237]

>>1924173
Kinda offtopic but I need it to say. Always wanted to draw since the beginning of 2014. Always drew like 2 times in a week and i have improved until december really little which is nearly nothing. Since the 15. I said to my self fuck it and I deinstalled games (LoL) or things which consume to much time and gave myself a kick. And it works. Also i learned that i have to force myself.

[Anonymous No.1924262]

>>1924209
Thanks anon. Her legs and face look pretty stupid now that I look at it again. I'll fix and render tonight.

[Anonymous No.1924272]

[Anonymous No.1924273]

>>1924272
why the FUCK does this seems so off? i did measure the proportions on all lines and they were only off by .0x and even then its like .02

is this obvious to anyone? or am i just seeing mistakes that arent there?

[Anonymous No.1924288]

>>1924273

it's off horizontally

just transform the ref over what you drew and make it translucent

[Anonymous No.1924294]

My scanner is pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.1924317]

>>1923497
Thanks man, I'm not really good enough to be a tutor, but post some work and I'll give you a redline. I get home from work at 1 am so it may take a while to get it to post, but I'll get you eventually.
>>1924085
How's do you mean? I see a few mistakes in her figure already. Everyone needs more improvement, but sometimes I get to close to my work, so fresh perspectives really help.

[Anonymous No.1924319]

>>1924288
eh i just tried it. the best picture i could get thats transparent lined up pretty good anyways then i did this. so horizontly its not off either. i guess ill just finish it and see what happens

[Anonymous No.1924330]

actually i just tried something else out. the face is long. thats weird that measurements that small off would lead to such a big difference

[Anonymous No.1924333]

>>1920738
Could /ic/ critique my figure drawings ? Are they any good ? What is improvable ?

[Anonymous No.1924335]

>>1924333
Another one.

[Anonymous No.1924381]

So i did some abstract shit in perspective, and then tried to put shadows on it
Something feels wrong as hell

[Anonymous No.1924453]

alright here's an update. it's looking a lot better but im curious to know if are there any obvious mistakes that im missing.

[Anonymous No.1924535]

How are things looking so far?

[Anonymous No.1924537]

>>1924535
Not bad. You have some strangeness at the middle of the torso. Try to clearly define the front and side planes for the ribcage, and for the pelvis+external obliques. Also, you have the belly button deviating a bit.

[Anonymous No.1924546]

>>1924381
A simplified summary of perspective: all parallel lines go towards the same vanishing point. Got a bench somewhere? It's probably parallel to the street. Drawing books in a bookcase? They're parallel to the shelves. Your tv is probably parallel to the wall it's mounted on. Your drawing has some surfaces that seem like they would have to be parallel, but then they aren't. That's why it feels so wrong.

I'm stoned so I'm gonna break it down even further. You've got that central house-like structure which implies a bunch of parallel surfaces (walls, roof) in one-point perspective. So far, so good, but then you suddenly leave that framework with those two surfaces off to the side. The extra 'wall' bit could only work if it were a bunch of these houses in a pattern. It would be incorrect perspective-wise, but could work artistically.

The extra bit of 'roof' is nonsense. It tries to connect a bit of your (functional) one-point-perspective house with your (sorta incorrect) bit of extra wall. In doing so it adds an extra vanishing point, one that doesn't even line up with the one of the extra wall, even though the roof and the extra wall should probably be parallel.

Again: all parallel lines go towards the same vanishing point. Keep that in mind and you'll have a working understanding of perspective while you study up on more.

[Anonymous No.1924550]

>>1923034
Those while lines are painful to look at.

[Anonymous No.1924557]

>>1924537
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1924558]

>>1924546
Thanks anon, I kinda see it in different way now

[Anonymous No.1924582]

How about now?

[Anonymous No.1924584]

>>1924333
Try to get the overall gesture of the body, instead of focusing on the separate arms and legs.

[Anonymous No.1924587]

>>1924582
You fixed the waist on our left side but now the pelvis on our right side looks wonky. It also looks like you're focusing too much on contour and not enough on overlapping forms on that half of the body. We should see the abdominal muscles clearly overlap both the ribcage and the external obliques.

The calf on our right is looking a bit chunky. The thigh on our left doesn't properly read like a cylinder form connecting into the pelvis.

[Anonymous No.1924592]

._. i doodled some landscape from imagination today

[Anonymous No.1924603]

>>1924587
Thanks. Sorry I deleted my last post. I just caught too many mistakes after I posted it.

[Anonymous No.1924604]

What do good artists do with 30 second poses in life drawing?

I try and I end up with just a few lines that barely resemble a human body. Am I doing something wrong?

[Anonymous No.1924607]

Is there an explanation for why I find figures so much more difficult than anything else I have ever tried to draw?

I am fairly competent at anything else, but trying to draw figures makes me start wondering if it would be more fun to kill myself.

why is this so much harder?

[Anonymous No.1924608]

I'm going to stop for tonight and pick this up later.

[Anonymous No.1924624]

>>1924607
They feel harder because they are harder. For starters, compare a figure to a stiff object like a lamp, bench, car, etc. For the inanimate object you can learn how to draw it from any angle and you're pretty much done. The figure can also move in a wide number of ways, so in essence it takes a lot more to build up your visual library for the figure. The figure as a whole is a complex form, which is inherently more difficult than objects that more closely align to basic forms.

Second, people are accustomed to observing other people and faces, and as a result small deviations can look horribly wrong where the same amount of deviation on a non-human (car, giraffe, tree, etc) wouldn't necessarily be noticed save by a few experts. This is especially true for the face, as we have regions of the brain that focus on facial recognition.

Third (and building off the previous point), there are a number of soft forms that deform in different positions. Learning construction from basic forms will only get you so far, as if you don't know muscle origin and insertion points (or can't fake it) then a lot of your muscles will end up weird looking in different positions. It's not enough to get a feel for constructing the body in various invented poses from various angles, but you need to also understand what's going on underneath the skin to get believable results. A constructed manikin will get you far, but not as far as it would for inanimate objects.

Fourth, there's a lot of variety to people, and unless you have experience drawing a lot of the naturally occurring body types out there, your figure work will likely suffer.

[Anonymous No.1924634]

>>1924262
Fix her upper legs. They're ridiculously long.

[Anonymous No.1924666]

time to cry. anyone want to redline, criticize, or literally anything? I've only been drawing/coloring for like 3 months so I need all the direction I can get

[Anonymous No.1924683]

Let's post progress pictures.

Post a picture from the past couple days next to a picture from a week ago.

[Anonymous No.1924685]

>>1924683
>6 day difference
why...

[Anonymous No.1924689]

>>1924685
Well nevermind then.

[Anonymous No.1924734]

>>1924666
>I've only been drawing/coloring for like 3 months
Bad drawing will look bad even with a very advanced, complex coloring.
Good drawing will look good even with a very simple coloring: pic related, no graduations, very few colors, and it is much more appealing than your picture.

My point is that you should learn how to draw, before learning how to render. This way you'll improve much faster. Go back to sticky.

[Anonymous No.1924745]

Critic pls :)

[Anonymous No.1924747]

>>1924745

[Anonymous No.1924761]

Very slow progress, but progress nonetheless.

I just wish I were healthier. This was just intended to be a warmup but I feel too weak now (unrelated to art even though that taxes me as well, mentally) and if I can't concentrate and try drawing anyway then I get cranky like a lil baby (a German word for it would be "knatschig", which fits so much better).

And I vowed to myself never to get angry or frustrated at art ever again, and so far I have gone allmost two months without frustration even though I still suck.

Gotta embrace that zen and take my time.

I have only started drawing this year and wasted most of it by going all over the place and not thinking things through, this last week of pure head drawing has given me more progress than the whole year of gesture drawings and other shit.

Comfort zone is so important, at least to me, its reassuring to see progress. Fuck going all over the place ever again.

[Anonymous No.1924762]

>>1924745
>>1924747
uninspired design, looks like you started learning from a how to draw anime book, but it seems you clearly drew each head within seconds so a lot of room for improvement

[Anonymous No.1924765]

>>1924761
Also, all of them except top left, which is from imagination, are from reference.

Ork edit is fictious as well, of course.
It was the last thing I drew.

And I think I'm gonna try and do some more simple form drawings right now after all.

I'm still so weak in the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.1924767]

>>1924453
the right eye looks off

[Anonymous No.1924798]

>>1924767
the eye on the right or her right?

[Anonymous No.1924799]

Is this Correct figure building?

[Anonymous No.1924803]

>>1924799
Also some heads

[Anonymous No.1924805]

okay so i can tell her right eye is higher and to the left by about 1-2 mm but its not worth fixing and it doesnt look to bad.

so here's my question now, i did this pretty much by freehand without any real measuring, however i ended up having to fix a lot of things. is this normal? will it work out its self out as i keep practicing?

[Anonymous No.1924806]

>>1924805

[Anonymous No.1924811]

>>1920738

Any quick tips for beginners? I mean tips as in mirroring an image to see more easily mistakes, boobs = water balloon physics not static spheres etc.

[Anonymous No.1924812]

>>1924799
>>1924803

No. You're focusing on contours instead of trying to really understand the volumes underneath.

Read Vilppu's figure drawing book. I would also recommend studying some basic perspective before trying anatomy again.

[Anonymous No.1924813]

>>1922514

Which drawing books have you read? How many years of practice it took you to git gud?

[Anonymous No.1924814]

alright

how do get bettr

[Anonymous No.1924816]

>>1924812
Would I have to pay for that? Money is pretty tight right now

[Anonymous No.1924818]

>>1924814
hnnngnngnn

[Anonymous No.1924822]

>>1924816
You can find it in the mega folder linked here >>1916202

Remember: the human figure is not a series of lines, it's composed of many different 3D forms. If you can properly construct those forms, you can properly construct the human body.

[Anonymous No.1924840]

>>1924803
>>1924816

Ya' know, had this guy started taking advice from /ic/ and actually study from books recommend to this anon, he could have turned out to be a really great artists by now. Instead, the progress has stagnated so severely it's like there's no hope.

[Anonymous No.1924844]

>>1924840
Yeah work was starting to kill me so I havent even drawn in 3 weeks
Now im on holidays Im going to apply myself but first I need to get the feel back
Trying to keep away from the 'Anime' kind of look

[Anonymous No.1924857]

>>1920738

[Anonymous No.1924862]

let's practice

[Anonymous No.1924864]

>>1924862

[Anonymous No.1924873]

>>1921172
>>1921180

Tracing is useless. Even if your goal with tracing is to understand proportions, it's not really helping because you're not forcing your brain to work as hard.

A much better approach is to reference a photo and attempt to eyeball the correct proportions. Then you're forcing your brain to work out the spatial relationships on its own rather than using a crutch.

[Anonymous No.1924920]

What PS brush you guys recommends for early and late line work?

Looking for something relatively clean.

[Anonymous No.1924923]

>>1924920
Hard round.

[Anonymous No.1924940]

>>1924920
Hard round brush.
Hard round brush, skewed.

[Anonymous No.1924983]

>>1924173
back for day 2
coming back to this thread seems to be helping me stay honest

[Anonymous No.1925016]

>>1924983
your second day of drawing???

[Anonymous No.1925029]

>>1924983
>bandage on her knee
Rock hard

[Anonymous No.1925035]

Going through Bargue drawings
I'd like some critiques to improve

[Anonymous No.1925036]

>>1925035

[Anonymous No.1925038]

>>1925036

[Anonymous No.1925040]

>>1925035
>>1925036
>>1925038
ty for crashing my browser

[Anonymous No.1925046]

>>1925040
Fuck

[Rotator anon No.1925049]

>>1925038
>>1925036
>>1925035
>>1925040
>>1925046

[Anonymous No.1925053]

>>1925049
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.1925055]

i'm just trying to understand facial expressions.

[Anonymous No.1925057]

What's the best way to learn how to draw on a computer

[Anonymous No.1925060]

>>1925057
Drawing on paper way too easier than computer. Just go for basic things and when you get a stisfactionary (i dont know exact word for this) level take a tablet.

[Anonymous No.1925061]

>>1925057
First you have to learn how to draw

[Anonymous No.1925064]

>>1925055
i revise the image size. it was huge, sorry.

[Anonymous No.1925084]

>Think of a character
>Post their name
>Post number determines whose style you use to draw your character

GO.

[Anonymous No.1925086]

i stuck and am demotivated. Should i just stop drawing for today and analyse my mistakes and study a bit? Or should i shut up and keep drawing.
I hate perspective.

[Anonymous No.1925096]

>>1925084
Snoopy.
This is a good idea for a new thread btw.

[Anonymous No.1925125]

how is this looking so far?

[Anonymous No.1925136]

>>1925084
fynn, adventure time

[Anonymous No.1925143]

>>1925084
>>1925096
>Second this
>Also at Ice King

[Anonymous No.1925158]

>>1925125
head is too big but other than that its pretty good.

[Anonymous No.1925181]

>>1925158
thanks man

[Anonymous No.1925203]

>>1925136
leaving it like this..

[Anonymous No.1925216]

>>1925203
>now its fixed

[Cuck-tier No.1925220]

This is a quick sketch of a cat
can someone redline this and show me the things I've done wrong?
also I have no idea why I have him a cigarette
(I'm alittle nervous about posting considering I'm the newest of newfags)

[Anonymous No.1925221]

What do you think?

[Anonymous No.1925223]

>>1925221
this other one?

[Anonymous No.1925226]

>>1925084
rolling again
>character
>mugen

[Anonymous No.1925241]

>>1925226
Fuck off and create a new thread for this

[Anonymous No.1925266]

>>1925226
meh, that guys style is pretty generic, its just one of those styles thats all rendering and nothing else.and i dont feel like rendering a turd

[Anonymous No.1925269]

>>1925241
dont be mad

[Anonymous No.1925270]

>>1925241
i might just do another.
>>1925084
rolly polly
>glados

[Anonymous No.1925288]

>>1925270
fin.

[Anonymous No.1925295]

>>1925269
Sorry, you are right. I'm mad for no reason.

[Anonymous No.1925323]

>>1925084
rrolls.
>afro samurai

[Anonymous No.1925326]

>>1925323
reroll i hate that artist

[Anonymous No.1925329]

>>1925326
had that....rereroll

[Anonymous No.1925335]

>>1925326
>>1925329
use a number generator you retarded fuck, stop bumping this thread with no content and nothing to say.

[Anonymous No.1925425]

>>1925335
Dang you got what I wanted in a roll.
now I gota...reroll.

[Anonymous No.1925552]

>>1925084
Rollin

[Anonymous No.1925558]

>>1925084
Aeris
rorring for Ikeda

[Anonymous No.1925569]

>>1925552
No clue who Sun Ken Rock is, its meant to be Shaggy

[Anonymous No.1925630]

So with this is the gap between each marker equal? Also he didn't explain how to do the Sides cut out of the ball correctly

[Anonymous No.1925632]

>>1925630
learn 3d forms first please and you will understand

[Anonymous No.1925634]

>>1925632
The building with Shapes thing?

[Anonymous No.1925636]

>>1925634
just draw boxes and shapes in perspective, it helped me a lot and is the key to constructing anything with drawing

[Anonymous No.1925642]

>>1925636
So, like a head is a ball on top a Cylinder

[Anonymous No.1925656]

>>1924803
Loomis is kinda helping

[Anonymous No.1925661]

Rendition of naked barbarian lady

[Anonymous No.1925744]

>>1925035
>I'd like some critiques to improve
Skip the plates and work on general draftsmanship first.

Barque plates are for long and meticulous studies, not 5 minute sketches.

You have lost all the gradation of tone of the forms etc.

Barque plates are for rendering, if you ask me, not primarily for form building, plates take too long for that.

You would get a lot more progress/mileage if you drew simplified shapes of the muscles instead of ardously trying to copy the plates.

Once drawing form and lines and everything become easy to you and you want to get better at rendering tone, then you can do plates and meticulously copy them.

Sure, plates can be used for form drawing but there are better resources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGd6MrQ60Aw

Check this out on how they are (and should be, imho) used, for example.

They are master studies not mileage building mass produced sketches.

[Anonymous No.1925746]

>>1925744
>barque
Bargue, I always mess this ship up.

[Anonymous No.1925779]

Is it just me
Or are these drawings short?

[Anonymous No.1925809]

>>1925779
they lack spine length/external obliques

[Anonymous No.1925816]

>>1925809
How do you measure the spine?
Im trying to copy Loomis' gestures, besides the middle
The right was a real pain in the ass

[Anonymous No.1925823]

>>1925816
Your starting to get it but still off

[Anonymous No.1925872]

>>1925636
Not him, but this actually sounds like a great idea. I've had some trouble with that exact exercise but kept going forward hoping it'll click. So far, it's getting better, but I never thought of drawing shapes to improve. Thanks for that suggestion.

[Anonymous No.1925874]

>>1925872
Like, just boxes? Boxes on Boxes?

[Anonymous No.1925883]

New >>1925882

[Anonymous No.1926387]

>>1924666

How the heck do you spend 3 months coloring that piece of shit turd? Do you spend like a week on 2 square pixels?

In 3 months you could have learned so much. A redline won't do anything for you. Buy some beginner books right now and throw away that shit. Ditch digital media too and go back to pencil and paper.

>3 months.

I am so shocked.

[Anonymous No.1928110]

>>1926387

I think anon meant that they had been practicing for 3 months, not working on that single piece for 3 months.

Just my two cents, idk.