Beginner Thread #38

[Anonymous No.1916925]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1913378

[Anonymous No.1916934]

will I get banned if I post my fluffy pony abuse work?

[Anonymous No.1916936]

I've been doing some practice with eyes, I kinda like how this one ended, yet proportions are still a big issue on my works, r8 pls.

[Anonymous No.1916948]

>>1916934
Probably, just do a quick gesture drawing, figure drawing, or life drawing if you want an evaluation of your skills
>>1916936
Probably b8, if not, go to the sticky and do the practices in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. Because the symbol drawing is strong with this one

[Anonymous No.1916951]

Are my gestures ok?

[Anonymous No.1916966]

>>1916951
You're doing fine, just keep going. I like 2 and the lady bending over in the right bottom corner. Keep in mind to draw the flow or rhythm, whatever you call it, in the body and not of individual limbs.

[Anonymous No.1916971]

>>1916966
Thanks.
Here some mkre, done to finish my 30/day, I like the one in a circle a lot.
Guess I've improved, last time i posted them they weren't even gestures

[Anonymous No.1916975]

>>1916971 forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1916996]

Scrub here.

Has anyone tried any of these 2?

http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Absolute-Beginner-Claire-Watson/dp/0823013952

http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Absolute-Beginner-Clear-Successful/dp/1581807899

Just wondering if you have any opinions or thoughts on them.

[Anonymous No.1917004]

Shit i stopped like for 1 week cuz (no excuse) I was to lazy. I love to drawing but i have problems to get started.
Anyway sry for this fagging.
Last week I drew so much better then now. This is frustating

[Anonymous No.1917027]

Everything I produced in the last week have been shit

How do I get over this hump?

I think I forgot how to do facial features

[Anonymous No.1917034]

>>1917027
draw skulls

[Anonymous No.1917035]

Hello, please crit my 30 second gestures

[Anonymous No.1917036]

Not sure if they're even gestures,
more like 'advanced contour and symbol drawing'

any pointers?

[Anonymous No.1917056]

>>1917035
>>1917036

[Anonymous No.1917063]

>>1917056
how is it bait

[Anonymous No.1917066]

I made this a short while back, took me hours but I just don't like it. I don't understand the smart process for people who are good at this kinda stuff. I tried to pay more attention to anatomy but I'm still no good. Tips besides look at the sticky?

[Anonymous No.1917077]

What are some good pointers to consider when learning how to draw clothing? I've been avoiding clothing for a while just to focus on properly studying anatomy and its about time to just tackle it.

[Anonymous No.1917078]

>>1917056
yeah how, wtf

[Anonymous No.1917081]

>>1917063
>>1917078
Samefags

[Anonymous No.1917095]

What should our next study be?

[Anonymous No.1917098]

>>1917095
I want to do childrens

[Anonymous No.1917104]

>>1917098
go to your local playground.
Then you can study cops as well.

[Anonymous No.1917120]

>>1917081
>>1917078
>>1917077
>>1917066
>>1917063
>>1917056
>>1917036
>>1917035
>>1917034
>>1917027
>>1917004
>>1916996
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>>1916948
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>>1916934
>>1916925
>>1917095
>>1917098
>>1917104

>>1917081
samefags
this whole thread is self-governing, I am also a samefag.

[Anonymous No.1917129]

>>1917120
and i'm a disgusting american pig

[Anonymous No.1917145]

Yesterday's practice.

[Anonymous No.1917146]

>>1917145
fuck me wrong screenshot :(

[Anonymous No.1917160]

Any Tips?

[Anonymous No.1917162]

>>1917160
Look for the differences and fix them.

Honestly though just read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1917172]

>>1917162
Redline pls

[Anonymous No.1917175]

>>1917162
>>1917172
I did not say that, but that would be helpful regardless

[Anonymous No.1917181]

>>1917145
>>1917146
>>1917160
these are also bait

[Anonymous No.1917182]

>>1917160

Start drawing what you see and stop drawing what you think you see.

[Anonymous No.1917183]

>>1916925
Finishing up on yesterdays figure, avent really studied hands or feet so i guess ill practice that before i finish her up.

[Anonymous No.1917184]

>>1917183
forgot pic...

[Anonymous No.1917187]

>>1917182
is this also bait

[Anonymous No.1917216]

>>1917172
A redline would be pointless since you'll need to learn your basics. Read the sticky and you should improve.

[Anonymous No.1917217]

>>1917187

No. It is the first principle of observational drawing. We draw what we see and nothing more. Anon's drawing featured invention, especially in the hips.

[Anonymous No.1917222]

>>1917172

You don't need a redline. All the information you need is right there in that photograph. If your goal is to replicate then the only metric you can be judged on is how accurate the drawing is. You do not need insight, draw your own conclusions from what you see.

[Anonymous No.1917223]

>>1917160
make her waist wider than her legs. theres still tons of those stuff to fix though.

[Anonymous No.1917225]

>>1917160
oh and learn to use negative spaces. for example the area between her legs off. you can also use this to find the outline of the rest of her body.

[Anonymous No.1917237]

>>1917217
You have to do both. If you just see the things you don't get the flow.

[Anonymous No.1917241]

>>1917160
Use other pics this one is a bit harder. It has almost none edges and her tits and hair are covering to much

[Anonymous No.1917244]

[Anonymous No.1917280]

>>1916925
so what to fix? can anybody show me exactly how it should look?

[Anonymous No.1917289]

meh...I dont really know how to refine and render

[Anonymous No.1917313]

>>1917182
I had it open own another Tab, should I have it slapped on the same Screen somehow?
>>1917223
What counts as the waist?
The thinnest point or thickest point?
>>1917225
Where can I read up on Negative spaces?
>>1917241
Should I stick to naked or pic related fine?

[Anonymous No.1917322]

>>1917313
i was referring to the most narrow area of her torso. in your drawing its smaller than her leg. as for the negative space, theres not much to read up on. just pay attention to it and use it as a tool to check your form and proportions. check the pic.

[Anonymous No.1917344]

My hatching really sucks. Anyone know how to improve? The glasses dude didn't come out as expected.

[Anonymous No.1917371]

Robo Bean feels pretty useful at getting the torso right, but still feels a bit to tall
Should I mostly practice Robo Bean on models?

[Anonymous No.1917386]

Comeplete newbie here
Should I trace over other pictures to get a feeling of how to draw?

[Anonymous No.1917390]

Do you use brush or just use pen and draw it, mine looks bad and the other looks like they use brush instead of pen.

[Anonymous No.1917391]

>>1917371
Continue with the Robo-Bean, but also study some perspective to help you with setting your boxes right this will also do for other parts later on.

[Anonymous No.1917392]

>>1917391
Perspective of shapes specifically?

[Anonymous No.1917396]

>>1917386
yes
it'll be amazing
you'll learn lots

[Anonymous No.1917397]

>>1917390
dat chicken scratch

[Anonymous No.1917398]

>>1917392
Basic shapes , yeah.Everything else will be easier once you get their perspective right.

[Anonymous No.1917400]

>>1917396
Are you being Legit?

[Anonymous No.1917403]

>>1917398
Okay yeah, I tried using Shapes on arms and legs and stuff. and it helped, but only when getting lucky

[Anonymous No.1917407]

my first figure drawing class starts soon and i'm nervous as hell. i've been teaching myself all this time. all the instructions say is to bring a 18x22 pad, pencils and a clip

it's introductory level yet i'm still worried about being overwhelmed by it.

[Anonymous No.1917414]

>>1917407
It's introductory, it's guaranteed that there'll be at least a few people drawing stick figure or anime tier there. If you've been studying yourself for some time already there's almost no chance you'll be overwhelmed.

[Anonymous No.1917416]

>>1916925
How do i into drawing young looking people? Every time i draw a boy or girl people tell me they look like middle aged people and it makes me despressed coz i don't know what i'm doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.1917419]

>>1917416
here is an example, the boy with horns is 12 year old

[Anonymous No.1917435]

How do these bodies look?

[Anonymous No.1917438]

>>1917435
Fuckable

[Anonymous No.1917442]

so how do i color? the palette in sketchbook express doesnt seem to have 'realistic' colors, which is what i want to get into. but for now, is there anything that resembles human skin tone?

[Anonymous No.1917449]

I dont feel like im learning from this

[Anonymous No.1917457]

>>1917398
Did a bit of studying and thats already helping, do people with Talent still use this Method?

[Anonymous No.1917458]

>>1917449

I started with those at the beginning of the year, it felt like a chore but later you'll appreciate it as a starting discipline test and general 3d thinking exercise.

[Anonymous No.1917460]

>>1917458
Could you post something you do now? I'll stick to it, but I really hate his drawings

[Anonymous No.1917463]

>>1917460

I hated the babies so much holy shit.

I haven't improved very much by some d/ic/k's standards, if you work hard you'll go much further.

[Anonymous No.1917468]

>>1917442

heres another

[Anonymous No.1917469]

Dunno if quick figure draws are the kind of thing you can critique, am I on the right track?
These were 2 minute doodles in an attempt to get a better understanding of form.

[Anonymous No.1917475]

>>1917416
Probably less detail on face and minimal muscle.

[Anonymous No.1917477]

>>1917442
get your value and rendering right first m8. Don't even worry about real skin color at this point.

[Anonymous No.1917479]

>>1917449
Because it's an /ic/ meme
Read better books.

[Anonymous No.1917499]

>>1917438
ewww

[Anonymous No.1917502]

>>1917479
I...what? Which book should be more accurate for beginners than Fun With A Pencil? It's fine

[Anonymous No.1917522]

My Tablet Pen is starting to scratch on the Tablet
Are all Pen Nibs the same?

[Anonymous No.1917525]

>>1917477
yeah ive only done a few drawings on the tablet. i 'get' values and stuff im just learning them on the tablet. im guessing im going to have it down soon though which is why i ask

[Anonymous No.1917532]

>>1917449

Your drawings show it. You can't even manage to do a proper circle. How do you expect to learn when you can't take the time to do the exercise properly?

[Anonymous No.1917533]

[Anonymous No.1917536]

>>1917533
add value to the actual figure

also, how do you get the grey background?

[Anonymous No.1917541]

>>1917536
>how do you get the grey background?
Really?

[Anonymous No.1917546]

>>1917541
hey look i figured it out

[Anonymous No.1917554]

Let's say I want to draw clothed characters. Do I start drawing them naked and then add the clothes or do I go for a rough skeleton and then go for the clothes?

That's regarding cartoonish characters, not real life ones.

[Anonymous No.1917559]

>>1917546
>>1917536

this has gotta be troll

[Anonymous No.1917566]

>>1917559
>>1917056
>>1917181
>>1917187

Shut your mouth samefaggot

[Anonymous No.1917567]

>>1917554
you want start by adding the simple construction of the character first, then add the clothing, then detail any anatomy that s visable. Like a womans breast making an indention in the cloth or a mans collarbone is hes wearing a tank top.

[Anonymous No.1917591]

Is there a site with good references to make gestures?

[Anonymous No.1917594]

I'm at the part "The groups of the muscles simplified" in Loomis Figure Drawing.
But i always read that i have to draw gestures, too. This part is focusing on the contours and proportions.
Is it a good idea to draw many gestures and also to do the book's part?

[Anonymous No.1917648]

Are there any exercises/books/suggestions specifically for improving my ability to draw a scene?

I can (kind of) draw a character standing in space or sitting down or maybe with a few things around him, but I can't compose for shit.

Should I just be studying other artists who can put more than one thing on a canvas together or accept that I am creatively dead inside?

[Anonymous No.1917652]

>>1917648
Composition is an art fundamental you can study, yes. A fun exercise someone mentioned was to put on a movie and do simple sketches of as many shots as possible to start getting the feel of what looks good.

If you are gonna have objects you might want to read about perspective as well.

[Anonymous No.1917654]

Anyone else have an issue where depending on their drawing medium, there skill level changes drastically? For me, it's between paper and tablet. Once I switch from tablet to paper it's like my drawing skill goes back months.

[Anonymous No.1917683]

>>1917475
ok i will try thank you

[Anonymous No.1917699]

>>1917594
>Is it a good idea to draw many gestures and also to do the book's part?
Go for it. When it comes to figure drawing, Loomis's books are lacking in terms of gesture. He has a discussion on rhythm late in Figure Drawing For All Its Worth, but it isn't quite the same.

[Anonymous No.1917703]

>>1917654
That just means you need to practice more using different media. Focus on the medium you want to improve at, but try going out of your comfort zone entirely and experiment with charcoal, acrylic paints, watercolors, etc.

[Anonymous No.1917704]

[Anonymous No.1917708]

>>1917280
bump

[Anonymous No.1917712]

>>1917699
Thx for the answer

[Anonymous No.1917735]

Just finished KtD first chapter. When doing the self-evaluation, I noticed that with 1 exception, I really couldn't put yes in "draw "blind" 3-4 times", so can/should I keep on rockin' forward or better take a step back and ,well, practice drawing "blind"?
Pic semi-related. One of exercises, hurts being so shit, but it was a good exercise.

[Anonymous No.1917812]

The poses are 2 minutes each, except for 20, that's 15 minutes.

Basically:
I don't know if I'm doing gestures correctly... Am I?
please help

[Anonymous No.1917822]

>>1917812
What have you been studying anon? Your proportions are great.

[Lazy No.1917833]

>>1917812
Well done!
Watch out for the feet.
Now do some more.

[Anonymous No.1917844]

>>1917822

Oh thanks, The only studying I do is sketch/doodle allot of poses from imagination/reference and sometimes people, and doing gestures daily
using this:
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>>1917833
thanks

[Anonymous No.1917868]

done in sai, trying to work with colors. very new to digital so please be gentile to me anon k-k-kun

[Anonymous No.1917873]

>>1917468
I love the face you've done, its like a banshee with souless eyes, screaming at the top of her lungs, after she swallowed a glowstick, that's why her mouth is glowing

[Anonymous No.1917896]

>>1917868
He has no lips, his ear is too small. you tried/10

[Anonymous No.1917907]

could someone help me with those, especially circled one?

[Anonymous No.1917914]

>>1917244
Hey, I think you should focus more on the actual detail of the drawing, it seems to me as if you drew your own idea of what the drawing should look like. I would also suggest looser pencil work.

[Anonymous No.1917916]

>>1917390
I usually use brush to plan out proportions, then on a new layer I use the pen tool to get clean lineart. You should try one long, smooth stroke rather than many messy ones to get the shape you want, good luck.

[Anonymous No.1917969]

[Anonymous No.1918072]

Made a quick thumbnail in paint

[Anonymous No.1918077]

>>1917896
Altered, fixed the lips issue and ear issue.I put little effort into the design and proportions of him, and more focus into the colors and working them (although no lips was a conscious decision, for styles sake ) but that is no excuse and came off more as lazy.Also changed it so there is no pure white, a sin i thought I was going to be pinned on originally

hopefully with this I can move off of a you tried/10 onto an number value/10

[Anonymous No.1918093]

>>1918077
Looks like he has no masseter muscle

[Anonymous No.1918095]

>>1917184
>>1917183
heads small

[Anonymous No.1918100]

>>1917435
such tiny legs

[Anonymous No.1918102]

>>1917522
What tablet are you using?

[Anonymous No.1918124]

>>1918093
solid point, I guess I wanted to give him strong cheek bones but instead of being responsible and looking at ref or fully understanding the facial muscles, i just decided to paint away. ill round him out, it doesn't make sense that he would be defined like that, especially since it would look like he got botox from the front angle. post another wip in a bit

lol, come to /ic/ posting color experiment, critiqued on proportions. it must mean the colors arn't too bad

[Anonymous No.1918125]

>>1917873
you too thanks. good to know i can effortlessly draw banshees

[Anonymous No.1918156]

I saw this one guide where a guy said to measure the body uses heads and that can still work even if they're bending over, Is there a demonstration I could check out?

[Anonymous No.1918174]

my brush size tool won't show up in sketchbook express. how the fuck do i get it back? i already clicked the show/hide button in the current tool panel but nothing happens.

[Anonymous No.1918180]

Is it bad to have someone as Inspiration? I really like Slugboxs work

[Anonymous No.1918196]

>>1918156

[Anonymous No.1918197]

>>1918196
Oh wow, is it really equal to those Nipple Navel then Crotch points? Got one for Girls?

[Anonymous No.1918200]

>>1918197
Might want to download books that talk about proportions. This is from Loomis Figure Draw

[Anonymous No.1918202]

>>1918180
What's special about his work that you like? I swear I've seen this style a thousand times before

[Anonymous No.1918205]

>>1918202
Dont know
It might just be the sharp yet still Curvy lines and how he does stuff like hips

[Anonymous No.1918249]

>>1918180
It's bad if it's slugbox, yeah.

[Anonymous No.1918263]

Hi guys, just beginning. Already went through the sticky, just need tips with gesture drawing (since it sounds like that's the quickest way to improve at first). Am I supposed to construct the bodies like Loomis teaches or should I just be drawing what I see (contours and such)?

[Anonymous No.1918268]

Hi guys, just beginning. Already went through the sticky, just need tips with gesture drawing (since it sounds like that's the quickest way to improve at first). Am I supposed to construct the bodies like Loomis teaches or should I just be drawing what I see (contours and such)?

[Anonymous No.1918270]

>>1918268
Also any advice about drawing very lightly? I always hear and read about how you should draw as lightly as possible at first but it's hard for me to do so. I tend to be really shaky when I draw lightly and hold the pencil lightly.

[Anonymous No.1918272]

>>1918077
You need to give him a chin, and his neck is really thick but if it's like that in the ref then that's okay i guess.

[Anonymous No.1918273]

>>1918270

You could always try use a harder pencil (HB instead of 2B), its easier to draw lightly with harder lead.

[Anonymous No.1918277]

>>1918273
Okay I'll try that, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1918311]

so here's my first figure that i actually spent a decent amount of time on (2 hours but a lot of it was playing with layers and other tools i havent tried). im not confident enough to do faces so ill be doing figures for a while until i get my values down.

[Anonymous No.1918315]

>>1918249
Whats wrong with Slug?

[Anonymous No.1918318]

>>1918315
His style breaks anatomy and he colors everything as if it were covered in oil.

It's just deviantart tier garbage.

[Anonymous No.1918319]

>>1918318
But I like the distortion of the figure, yeah his coloring's isn't the best at times, but overall I enjoy his stuff

[Anonymous No.1918325]

>>1918319
I'm not saying you can't like his style, but given this is the beginner thread, I am assuming you're a beginner and probably don't have a lot of knowledge to base your opinion on. I know my favorite artists a few years back were shit, truly.

Learn your fundamentals and don't base your style on someone else's already heavily stylized art.

Sorry if I sound condescending.

[Anonymous No.1918327]

>>1918325
Yeah, I get what you mean, dont learn off him, I thought you were just saying he was shit

[Anonymous No.1918329]

Are my thumbnail studies too undetailed?
1/2

[Anonymous No.1918330]

>>1918329
2/2

[Anonymous No.1918375]

>>1918329
>>1918330

Are you just doing "painting"?
If you are I find that people don't really learn much from doing this

[Anonymous No.1918397]

life is suffering, help me please

[Anonymous No.1918429]

Can someone help? I feel his right arm is wrong

[Anonymous No.1918451]

>>1918397
Do gestures.

[Anonymous No.1918460]

>>1918180
How long will it take me, going from zero, to be able to draw this? Not even considering the colours, just the lineart. Serious question, just looking for an estimate here.

[Anonymous No.1918478]

Where can I download pose sets? Like the stuff on quickposes, but so I can do it without internet access?

[Anonymous No.1918483]

>>1918460
Depends on your speed. About four months I guess.

[Anonymous No.1918499]

>>1918397
Try and learn forshortening

[Anonymous No.1918504]

>>1918483
Is this a joke, or am I completely overestimating the guy's ability? As I am now, if I could draw that, I'd be happy. I was expecting a couple of years.

[Lazy No.1918519]

>>1918504
Just the lines and from absolute zero, huh?
I'd say something from a year to two when you are on your own and you just focus in drawing, lines and girls. Depends how much time, energy and guidance you have a day.
But that's my oppinion.

[Anonymous No.1918537]

>>1918504
No, the other anon doesn't know wtf he's talking about. At least 1-2 years to be able to know enough fundamentals to do that.

[Anonymous No.1918542]

>>1917344
imagine a globe
draw a circle
draw the lines that originate and converge on its two poles
only follow these lines when hatching

draw a cylindre in perspective
deconstruct it by drawing through the cylindre the circumference
you should have a wide elipse at the bottom and a wide elipse at the top
the closer the drawn circumference is to its centre, the narrower the ellipses get, one elipse is a straight line (the horizon)

practise with simple forms, following these lines when you hatch
move to more complex forms - practise hatching
every now and then look at davincis sketches or old medical / biological sketches

[Anonymous No.1918603]

Is it normal to feel quite insecure and frustrated in the beginning? I'm working through Keys to Drawing at the moment and to be honest I feel like total shit 90% of the time after finishing an exercise. And the same when I try to draw from reference just for practice, not following the book.

Do you eventually stop feeling this way?

>pic related
It's a rhino I was pleased with until I tried to shade it and realised that I have no fucking idea about values at all. Then I stopped because I was too frustrated.

[Anonymous No.1918613]

>>1918603
I was frustrated too(still am). You just have to draw more and get used to drawing. Dont underestimate how much you have to practice.

[Anonymous No.1918618]

Anyone know how to translate this into dumb dumb language? (Projecting the flat diagram into perspective) Or know of a video that covers the same principle?

[Anonymous No.1918628]

>>1918200
Well I don't really like his style but he teaches kinda good. Personally 1/3 of my drawing's time i draw with this book. The other 2/3 is for gestures and drawings i like copy.

Anyone else?

[Anonymous No.1918653]

>>1917129

okay.

[Anonymous No.1918654]

>>1918618

Learn perspective first.

[Anonymous No.1918656]

>>1918654
I know the basics of perspective, I just get what it's trying to say. Unless it's some advanced technique?

[Anonymous No.1918660]

>>1918656
I don't get what it's trying to say*

[Anonymous No.1918682]

>>1918656
not that anon, but do you? It's simple one pont perspective, you divide the plane into eight equal parts.

If you knew already you wouldn't ask this question.

[Anonymous No.1918689]

Alright, so next semester I've taken classes for Animation. But in the mean time, I've been reading the sticky and following steps going about drawing provided here on /ic/

I still have a long road ahead of my studies, but my question is: Is it okay to continue my studies provided here AND do my studies my animation teacher provides me at the same time? Or will there be some kind of awkward conflict in my drawing?

[Anonymous No.1918706]

>>1918682
Yea, I realize that now. I've been watching Marshall Vandruff's perspective series and didn't realize I could do that until now when I switched back to Perspective Made Easy. Like this right?

[Anonymous No.1918708]

>>1918689
you can never draw enough, in fact one will probably feed the other.

Though drawing for animation is more concerned with gesture/movement, weight, and design. Things like value, color are more concept art related. Perspective is universal,I think.

>>1918706
You got it, you might have got overwhelmed by the diagram but once you get how to divide space in perspective loomis makes a lot more sense.

[Anonymous No.1918714]

>>1918706

Right, except Loomis' diagram is divided into eight 2:1 rectangles, or sixteen squares, and the overall bounding box is four times as tall as it is wide. So you need to find a square in perspective, you can't just bindly duplicate a rectangle.

[Anonymous No.1918718]

>>1918708
>you can never draw enough, in fact one will probably feed the other

Glad to hear. I was just worried that learning from 2 separate sources may cause conflicts. But I I'm gonna enjoy tackling this since it'll give me an excuse to always be drawing.

Hopefully by late summer I'll be good enough to make a web comic, so who knows.

[Anonymous No.1918799]

how do i set my default file save format to .png instead of fucking .tiff in sketchbook express

[Anonymous No.1918808]

>>1916925
I want to git gud and learn how to draw attractive, expressive men and women, colorful animals, and nice landscapes.
Should I follow this format when I teach myself?
> grind gesture -> then anatomy -> perspective -> value -> color?

[Anonymous No.1918812]

>>1918808
Perspective, and form are the most important IMO. I'd go Perspective + Form > Gesture > Value > Color

[Anonymous No.1918829]

>>1918808

Target multiple areas at once, otherwise you're specializing. I'd advise a 50/50 split between forms/perspective and figure drawing (gesture and sketches from 30 seconds upwards) to start with.

[Anonymous No.1918839]

>>1918272
Sorry I'm so late to respond but thank you for this redraw. you did great with the ear and your strokes look so clean and refined. is this something I should gain over time, or is it because my brush settings have a lower density and persistence that they look more wispy and not as clean as yours

[Anonymous No.1918840]

ive been holding my pen wrong my entire life and im pretty sure thats why my writing/drawing looks like an autistic 5 year old's, should i change or just practice how it is?

[Anonymous No.1918860]

>>1917146
cranium looks a little small.

[Anonymous No.1918866]

>>1918840
Wondered the same a while ago, looked it up in the archive and pretty much everyone says that as long as the pencil touches the paper, you are good to go.

I just accepted it and have been working on drawing less with my wrist instead. You might want to try these exercises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.1918931]

>>1918519
>>1918537
I was expecting that, Honestly I am perfectly fine getting to be that level of talent. Of coarse I want to go beyond that, but that is a good enough level for me

[Anonymous No.1918935]

>>1918706
Is there a tool that makes these lines even like this?

[Anonymous No.1918936]

>>1918866
Really? 90 Degrees at all time?

[Anonymous No.1918968]

>>1918936
He does say specifically with a fine point pen for flow. I don't think a pencil is concerned with ink flow.

[Anonymous No.1918972]

what vids/series am watch on newmasters
academy

[Anonymous No.1918977]

>>1918603
its completely normal
and think about the following: you feel like shit because the amount of stuff you are observing / learning about art is so huge, you now see everything wrong with pictures you produce

its like you can see a whole new dimension of shit you only got a glance on before you started learning to draw

dont get discouraged, it will fade away leaving you with a lot of fun when drawing / reviewing your old stuff

[Anonymous No.1919002]

>>1918968
Well, how about with a Tablet?

[Anonymous No.1919021]

>>1919002
Does your tablet/preferred drawing program support tilt?
along with that in the video he did say only 90 degrees for those exercises if your goal is to accomplish something different with the line do that.

[Anonymous No.1919024]

>>1917280
Pretty much everything sorry. Watch Proko vids. I'd redline you but I still suck too.

[Anonymous No.1919035]

>>1918972
vilppu?? sheldon?? galieote???

[Anonymous No.1919036]

>>1918603
There's a big, inverted bell curve in how enjoyable art can be. Progress is seen in months and years, not days and weeks. The more you draw the better you will get and the more enjoyable it will become as the gap between what you can draw and what you want to draw begins to close

[Anonymous No.1919053]

Spent about an hour on this one.

I think its pretty good

[Anonymous No.1919054]

>>1919053
Refrence.

[Anonymous No.1919065]

>>1919053
>>1919054

Construct the face before you start, look at how elements like the eyes are in relation to each others, measure. Also, go over the surface, don't just place things where they are in the picture.

[Anonymous No.1919067]

There has to be more reasons for wanting to git gud other than drawing porn and/or pleasing other people so you can get praise in return. What are they?

[Anonymous No.1919068]

>>1919067
Self-satisfaction, sense of accomplishment, money, mastering skills.

[Anonymous No.1919071]

>>1919065
yeaaaa i did just kind of eye ball it.

daily practice, kind of redundant when im being lazy, thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.1919091]

>>1919071
i think youre at a point where measuring things would be most helpful until you can get a 'feel' of things. but then again you are having a hard time actually seeing what youre trying to draw to, for example, her right eye is sitting higher than her left and her lips are tilted the wrong way, etc

[Anonymous No.1919093]

grinding anatomy 1

[Anonymous No.1919094]

>>1919093
grinding anatomy 2

[Anonymous No.1919123]

>>1919093
So elongated, it looks like an ape skull more than a human's.

[Anonymous No.1919126]

>>1919123
Maybe it's a terraformar.

[Anonymous No.1919131]

>>1919126
>Maybe it's a terraformar.
Speaking of which, I am so gonna buy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gife_PtJcPI
next month or something.

Anatomy is non human and fuckedly exaggerated but I love it and I wanna have it as a mannequin.

[Anonymous No.1919136]

>>1919123
yeah I always draw the cranium too small, that's why the face appears too elongated and that's why I am studying the anatomy

[Anonymous No.1919141]

>>1919093
Bernd entdeckt! Die Studien sind schon recht cool, aber check nochmal deine Vorlage. Gewöhnlich sind Ohrloch, Wangenknochen und unterer Teil des Nasenlochs auf einer graden Linie. Die Form vom Zygomatic arch ist auch ein bisschen komisch.
Ausserdem ist der Teil vom Unterkiefer wo die Kaumuskeln ansetzten ein bisschen klein. Viel Erfolg noch mit deinen Studien :)!

[Anonymous No.1919159]

>>1919141
haha danke für die tipps. ich suche vor allem hilfslinien am schädel; kann ich gut gebrauchen

[Anonymous No.1919161]

Better than what I've produced in the last week but still dodgy but I feel like I'm going somewhere.
Will colour and 'paint' later

[Anonymous No.1919166]

>>1919159

[Anonymous No.1919200]

>>1918613
>>1918977
>>1919036
Thanks friends. I will keep on truckin'.

[Anonymous No.1919232]

>>1919161
Something uncanny about this.
I know there's some disproportion but I can't put my finger on it.

[Anonymous No.1919243]

Been watching and reading Vilppu about gesture.
I still don't quite get it.

[Anonymous No.1919249]

>>1919243
I believe you did those from imagination. If so, stop it.

[Anonymous No.1919253]

>>1919249
I did not.

[Anonymous No.1919513]

>>1919232
I've been switching back and looking at this every other hour and I still can't see it.

I think it's in the facial features but I can't seem to find exactly what, maybe I've made them too hard

[Anonymous No.1919518]

>>1919243
It sure looks like it. I don't know what to tell you since Vilppu's gestures are what made everything click for me, but if you don't understand something from one teacher, try another. There's Proko and Hampton, and all bunch of other approaches to gesture and figure drawings as well. Most of them say the same things, but work a little differently. Try to take a special notice to their lines.

[Anonymous No.1919538]

>>1919232
her lips are off so that might be part of it. to be honest, her gaze is somewhat uncanny to begin with

[Anonymous No.1919548]

I should probably work in b/w for a while, but fucking around with color is enjoyable. I have a really hard time matching features on either side of the face and also just constructing them in the first place. It's tough going from the simplified forms like the "gold brick" nose to actual faces without just (and failing) copying from the reference. I'm just now starting to do anything digitally as well so learning how to make good lines/edges is also something to work on. I gave up on this picture before really finishing it since there's so much wrong with the foundation but if anyone has any tips that'd be great.

[Anonymous No.1919555]

I feel like I don't get enough time to do art, despite me having hours of free time on my hands everyday. I feel like I'm lacking in productivity, anyone feel the same?

[Anonymous No.1919576]

i know is chiken scratch a lot, but i feel im not getting worst, if that counts as something

this im my model https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8287/7613885666_81c3dc17ee_h.jpg

[Anonymous No.1919606]

i blindly signed up for drawing 1 next sem to fill an elective and have no prior experience other than reading some loomis book like a year ago and never taking the time to practice

what am i heading into? is it going to be a bunch of shitters or am i going to be the only one and make an ass of myself?

[Anonymous No.1919608]

>>1919606
there will be a couple kids who were good at art in high school and are probably better than you but the vast majority will be shitters who don't actually care about art and are just there for the elective slot

[Anonymous No.1919627]

>>1919555
Definitely with you. No job, no school, so I should be drawing every second but thanks to ADD I can only draw for 5 minutes before having to take a "break."

[Anonymous No.1919629]

Reminder that studies alone will not help you progress! If you're not doing what you want to between them, you'll have a terrible time when it comes to draw what you want.

[Anonymous No.1919630]

>>1919629
But what if I'm not at the level yet to draw what I want to draw? Still a beginner here.

[Anonymous No.1919640]

>>1919630

Well fucking do it. You already know it's going to crash and burn so you aren't expecting the next great masterpiece here, so just fucking take what you learned from your studies, try applying it to your own shit, see what you were able to do and what still needs work, and fucking learn that shit.

Just doing studies without applying is like trying to just memorize physics equations without understand what all the variables mean, what their units are, and how it's applied to real world situations.

[Anonymous No.1919649]

>>1919640

I'd like to go about making my own characters, but at the moment it seems rather difficult without any references, as I feel as though I'm currently not skilled enough to tackle such a objective.

I've only been currently studying faces on Fun with a Pencil and I did recently actually tried drawing my character. Of course, the results were to me that it did crash, but it didn't burn. To my surprise I was able to draw the head in different perspectives with angles and it came out a lot better than expected. It was still shit, but it exceeded expectations.

However, since I'm still brand new, I have nothing to apply these techniques yet still I'm, still at the stage where I'm learning "how to draw". But, I'm hoping once I'm done with Fun with a Pencil, then I'll be ready to take on this task (and of course I'll continue my studies).

My motivate is the future reward to come. I have faith in my abilities that I'll all come to together as long as I continue with my studies.

[Anonymous No.1919651]

>>1919640
i try to do something from imagination for 5 studies. is that fine?

[Anonymous No.1919652]

>>1919649
>still I'm, still
>I'll all come

Jeez I butchered my english there.

[Anonymous No.1919655]

>>1919651

Yeah. Totally.

If you want something a bit more structured, try doing something like adding imagined details to an object you see in life and draw that new object in different perspectives. Something like that will help you when you eventually want to try drawing from imagination.

Another thing is to take some face references and exaggerate certain features, like the nose, ears, eyes, jowls, etc. Basically you're doing charactures.

This was all ripped from shit I saw from ctrlpaint and I think it's pretty helpful and fun shit to do when you've slogged through the millionth gesture drawing or the thousandth hand study.

[Anonymous No.1919682]

tried to do a red panda but came out looking like a fox or something, any advice or material on drawing animals and such?

[Anonymous No.1919748]

I feel lost because I don't know what to practice.
I think I went in all different directions when I started and now confused to where to go.

also I think I need to be more serious now and stop this fun crap. yeah, I'm going to feel miserable doing boring shit for the next few months but I really want to be good at my hobby so yeah

[Anonymous No.1919749]

>>1919682
Aren't red pandas related to raccoon? That's kinda like a fox.

As to your question, Animal Anatomy for Artists by Eliot Goldfinger is good general material but may not be what you're looking for. If you want to get a better sense of the animal maybe you could look up some videos of said animal, or find some webms and start a thread on /wsg/, then draw some quick stills or gesture their movements.

[Anonymous No.1919756]

I'm having trouble, I'm doing a mix of Loomis and Villpu and can see improvements but im still having a hell of a time actually controlling my hand and arm to put a line where i want it.

Any exercises i can do to make my arm work better for me?

[Anonymous No.1919758]

>>1919748
Line quality is always a good place to start. I say this primarily because of your filler, while hatching and cross hatching can be a very effective and versatile tool, if applied haphazardly it often looks kinda lazy or shoddy. I unfortunately don't have any material on the subject of hatching, but I'm certain it's out there.

After that, this priority may serve your needs.
Anatomy -> Gesture -> Perspective -> Color -> Value

Anatomy and Gestures are good when done together, same with Color and Value.

[Anonymous No.1919759]

I was trying to draw a statue but i struggled a lot to make the legs so i sai fuck it and changed the legs pose. I also took off the clothes. Sorry for terrible quality i had to use laptop webcam.

[Anonymous No.1919760]

>>1919759
Here's the statue

[Anonymous No.1919763]

>>1919756
Are you using your shoulder and elbow? I've heard of an exercise chart to get artists used to drawing that way but I don't remember where it was.

Another thing you can do is just draw a bunch of isometric shapes until you feel comfortable, also holding your pencil one inch from the tip seems to be preferable, how much that tidbit really matters is a mystery to me.

[Anonymous No.1919764]

Anyone? >>1918268
Also, when people draw the lines in gestures are they drawing the edges of shapes or are they drawing construction lines like Loomis teaches? How do you know when you should construct things when drawing and when you should just draw the contours you see?

[Anonymous No.1919767]

>>1919759
>>1919760
You may have had an easier time if you tried to capture the value over the general form. If you were to do that the form may have came more naturally since you had to visualize the form and detract from it's values, which caused you to draw more representationally. Which is to say, your mind's perception of what was in front of you, instead of what was actually in front of you.

[Anonymous No.1919771]

>>1919763
I'm trying too but when i use my elbow or shoulder my like just get too wild and out of control and when doing the wrist it's chicken scratch.

[Anonymous No.1919778]

>>1919764
I get that often gestures rely on the line of motion, where you see the lines you follow through them and fill them with the anatomy so that instead of molding the anatomy into a pose. You're kinda building onto the figure you see with anatomy, so they go hand in hand instead of restricting each other.

[Anonymous No.1919785]

Thoughts? I still don't quite have the hang of my tablet, but the pose still seems pretty stupid to me. Think I'm gonna re-do it before I go any further.

[Anonymous No.1919790]

>>1919767
Ok thanks, here's some studying

[Anonymous No.1919791]

>>1919790

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>>1919791

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>>1919794

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>>1919796

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>>1919797

[Anonymous No.1919818]

okay so i struggle a lot with chickenscratch so i've been trying to replicate drawing with pen digitally but everything looks like shit cause i havent been constructing it beforehand. is doing this good for me?

[Anonymous No.1919840]

That feel when your art instructor calls you out in the middle of the class for all to hear how those that practise will surpass the greatest of artists and go far in their study.
>Sensei has noticed how much study I have been doing in my spare time
>Sensei praises me for doing more homework drawings/sketches/studies than he has asked for
>Class mates begrudge me for starting the term late and have already surpassed them in skill level and execution of techniques

Late nights, avoiding friends and getting covered in paint and graphite has paid off. Now to continue study with /ic/ to get a head start before class resumes next year.
I'm just proud of myself ;___; Keep going anons, keep pushing and trying, study hard, it will pay off!

[Anonymous No.1919841]

>>1919840
Good job anon. I wish I had your willpower and fortitude

[Anonymous No.1919874]

>>1919840
Good job girl else faggot

[Anonymous No.1919890]

i am just learning heads. what do i need to change with it to make her face look more tilted? what are some major issues i have? I want to paint it maybe

[Anonymous No.1919895]

>>1919890
learn to draw befor painting
read the sticky

[Anonymous No.1919915]

>>1919555
>>1919627
>ADD =/= You're fucking lazy
>be me
>be in university, IT
>can't concentrate for shit, lazy to visit most of the classes
>can get my shit done if i don't search for excuses(even if it's on due day) and still get time to do art
>last year now
My tip:
-take it as a fun activity, not an obligation to do
-get a fucking part time job, it will teach you discipline and mileage.
-if you can only work 5 minutes on it, then do. Take a break then do another 5

[Anonymous No.1919938]

>>1917313
Gonna use that image.

[Anonymous No.1919939]

>>1919938
Forgot image.
Now that I look at it, it looks like her left hand is not holding the spear properly.

[Anonymous No.1919987]

how does this look? i know the hair is off but what about everything else?

[Anonymous No.1920000]

>still struggling with loomis and feel like i'm still "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" level of art
>now that my semester in uni is over I have literal days of free time to do art
>hold art over my head in fear and never do it even though I really really want to get good at it and it tears at me almost every day
>barely practice and worry about losing progress because of how little I draw but never pick up the slack and just continue to procrastinate
I feel so defeated right now... If it wasn't 5AM and I wasn't in bed I would try to draw right this minute to hopefully get out of this

[Anonymous No.1920005]

>>1919987
values needs work. If you're finished, turn the ref into black and white to check your own work then you can make correction yourself.

Also don't draw hair like that, treat it like anything else. block it out with a local value then apply shade/highlight

[Anonymous No.1920010]

>>1920005
well heres the grayscale. it doesnt look to different to me?

[Anonymous No.1920013]

>>1920010
you really can't see it.

I want you to figure it yourself but if you really can't I suggest using the color picker.

You actually drawing isn't so bad, maybe if you can see the legs need some perspective work, like her right leg is angled more than what you have done.

[Anonymous No.1920018]

>>1920013
the light 'values' need to have actual value and not be white i think. i can see some relative values are off too. for example her right leg is darker in the ref than the drawing, the side of her torso is darker, the hand and foot are a little on the light side. i could do a better job smoothing everything too. all out of guesses here.

didnt notice the leg was off, i had to some other adjustments to the outline, that one skipped me.

[Anonymous No.1920021]

>>1920018
From what I noticed is that you didn't apply a mid tone for what the skin tone is before adding highlights and shades, which shows you didn't know how to shade in so I would suggest you watch a few videos or read some tutorials on shading/colouring

[Anonymous No.1920022]

>>1920021
you're right. i did not do that. solid tip. i'll make use of it in the future.

[Anonymous No.1920023]

Rendering with photoshop is hard...

[Anonymous No.1920027]

>>1919890
I think it's the eye placement would be the main thing.

I also need help, I think I lost the femininity of the image, which makes me wonder what makes someone feminine.

[Anonymous No.1920038]

>>1919939
>gesture
@all
Is this really gesture? Even if the artist's level isn't low it isn't gesture.

[Anonymous No.1920040]

>>1919890
her right eye (and probably her left) is too small. the nose is too big. chin seems a little long and the forehead seems big too.

tldr, everything is off

[Anonymous No.1920042]

>>1920038
I was planning on some gesture at first but decided to clean the lines.
Sorry I didn't rename the file.

[Anonymous No.1920059]

>>1920023
>what are masks

[Anonymous No.1920077]

I notice my drawings come out crooked at times. Any particular exercise I can do to resolve this? Or will re-drawing the image till I get it right suffice?

[Anonymous No.1920083]

>>1920077
crooked in a constant angle?
are you doing traditional or digital?

[Anonymous No.1920101]

>>1920083
As in, when drawing say a body or a face, it'll come off looking crooked (one side having more than the other).

Simply drawing with pencil and paper for now.

[Anonymous No.1920122]

Anyone streaming here? Would like to watch while practicing

[Anonymous No.1920164]

>>1920101
In digital, you can flip the canvas horizontally, see the mistakes you are making, and fix them accordingly. I'm guessing you can put the back of the paper towards a light source so you'll see a flipped version of your drawing to at least see the mistakes.

Don't know if there's exercises to help other than constructing right and drawing a lot.

[Anonymous No.1920219]

hands

[Anonymous No.1920221]

Holy shit. I hate gestures. When i draw i always do chickenscretches. I never do long lines. I guess the point of doing gestures is to have the flow of the lines and to have a construct for the drawing.
R-Right?

[Anonymous No.1920224]

>>1920221
look at some vilppu videos.

[Anonymous No.1920227]

>>1920224
Does he really help. Or is he just a meme like Loomis (do his books tho)

[Anonymous No.1920233]

>>1920227
why dont you try it yourself? its 2014, we are living in the future, you can get stuff easily.

[Anonymous No.1920240]

Any tips on folds/drapery?

[Anonymous No.1920249]

>>1920233
Incredible shit internet that's why (I'm here).

[Anonymous No.1920251]

>>1919548
I like your usage of colors, especially in the more finished eye. The bridge of the nose and some of the shadows need to be softened out, but overall, I think you have her features down. Pretty good work m8.

[Anonymous No.1920363]

Took a run at the OP image. Realized I need to work on, well, everything. Maybe one day my figures will look like people.

[Anonymous No.1920375]

I wish I could draw as well as you guys ;_;

[Anonymous No.1920490]

>>1920240
I to am studying folds and clothes and still struggling with it and i dont know why.

[Anonymous No.1920491]

>>1920490
another one.

[Anonymous No.1920542]

How many hours should I practice per day, how long will it take to start to get decent from complete rookie?

[Anonymous No.1920545]

>>1920224
Not him but I just tried it. Should I switch to the way he holds his pencil? I usually hold mine like I would if I was writing but I tried a few gestures holding it his way and even though they came out looking worse they flowed out better and were quicker.

[Anonymous No.1920548]

>>1920240
Might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIiqgXqjWCw#t=777

[Anonymous No.1920553]

I was asked to draw something thats very far away from my comfort zone.
There is no way around this, so what's the best way to approach this sitution? This might be the first drawing I am going to work on beyond simple sketching.

[Anonymous No.1920554]

>>1920542
The faster you want to get decent, the more hours you can attempt studying and practicing. Seems 12 hours is what people who are really serious about drawing seem to do. Some people can't just go into that without conditioning themselves first though.

Pretty impossible to know how long it'll take you. If you truly want to draw, then just get working on it instead of thinking.

[Anonymous No.1920556]

>>1920554
12 hours in 1 session?

[Anonymous No.1920562]

>>1920554
>12 hours...
You're not serious are you? I'm pretty sure doing anything for that long every day becomes counterproductive. Taking breaks is very important.

[Anonymous No.1920574]

>>1920556
12 hours in one day, not one session.

To answer the question of how many hours you should draw in the day: as many as possible if you want to get good as fast as possible. Do you have tv, video game, or internet time that you waste in the day? Don't try to draw past your limit - if you aren't actively thinking about what you're doing then you're more likely to be wasting your time.

[Anonymous No.1920578]

Will i improve if i keep copying frames from anime like this? Or is this bad practice?

[Anonymous No.1920582]

Any advice on this one? Trying but not quite getting it.

[Anonymous No.1920585]

>>1920578
I've never found it works well. Practicing from realism is best. Not that you can't develop your own sense of stylization later, of course.

[Anonymous No.1920586]

>>1920578

Draw your own stuff and then ask yourself if you learned anything from the time invested that improved your own ability.

[Anonymous No.1920588]

>>1920578

I'd study manga over anime as anime is essentialy animated manga. The animators may take shortcuts or the particular frame you choose to study may have been made by a lower skilled inbetweener.

[Anonymous No.1920589]

>>1920553
>>1920553
Pls

[Anonymous No.1920610]

>>1920589
Practice how to do it.
Then do it.

[Anonymous No.1920612]

>>1920610
I got almost no time to practice, got to do it right now.
Thats why I'm so desperate for help at the moment.

[Anonymous No.1920617]

>>1920612
nobody is going to give you a magic piece of advice that will suddenly help you with such a vague request. If you're skill level isn't high enough for it then there's nothing you can do except practice.

[Anonymous No.1920622]

>>1920612
Break it down into pieces, like sketching, line art, coloring, detail, etc.
Then just do what you know and wing the rest.

[Anonymous No.1920623]

>>1920582
Here i did a paintover, you're being too careful with values, missing them completely in some places. Dont be afraid to use black or white.
Use a bigger brush as much as you can.
Pay attention to edges.
Pay attention to proportions.

When you go into a study set out to actually learn specifics, like learning to see values, or forms. When you go blindly you wont improve much at all.

Bigger brush.
Use more confidence.

My paintover isnt spot on, i fucked up some areas but it was more to prove a point.

Idk man, just keep trying. Don't spend too long on one thing.
Good luck .

[Anonymous No.1920625]

>>1920623
This has always been an issue of mine sadly. Been trying to break from that habit. Thank you for the advice. I'll give it another shot.

[Anonymous No.1920644]

>>1920625
alright here's a second attempt. Trying to break down into simpler shapes. Still think I got too concerned with small details though.

[Anonymous No.1920695]

As i said: I only do chickenscretches. Long lines are not my thing but i have to learn this.
This pic here is an example from some gestures I drew. Everyone took me like 10min which is to long i guess.
Should i just speed up the lines or should i keep doing it like this until i become faster?

[Anonymous No.1920729]

how is this looking so far? im mostly worried about the values.

[Anonymous No.1920740]

New: >>1920738