Beginner Thread #33

[Anonymous No.1897976]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1891256

[Anonymous No.1897981]

>>1897976
Negative Shapes/Silhouettes from stuff I on my desk.

[Anonymous No.1897982]

There was no study in the previous thread so I picked random work/practice from the last thread as OP picture.

If you want, try drawing this picture as this thread's study.

[Anonymous No.1897987]

Beginner here, reading Fun with a Pencil. I'm having fun and I'm not even a pencil.

[Anonymous No.1897991]

Is it true that artists have more trouble picking out flaws with other peoples stuff compared to their own

[Anonymous No.1897994]

>>1897991
Other way around.

But the best artists know how to critique themselves just as well as others.

[Anonymous No.1898006]

>>1897976
Been drawing since 6 years old, but it wasn't until three weeks ago I started studying the fundamentals and this is what I got. Still looks like poo, but I think I'm gettin' there.

[Anonymous No.1898014]

So you know those wooden dolls or whatever you use for poses and what not? Is there any differences in any of them? So many different companies that make them, but is there one in perceptual with good quality? Or is it all the same?

[Anonymous No.1898022]

>>1897987
>>1897976
And here I am, struggling with these shitty faces, as easy as it is but as shitty as it looks when I do them.

Any tips?

[Anonymous No.1898032]

>>1898014
Size
Bigger ones are slightly more flexible

[Anonymous No.1898039]

>>1898022
Those look good.

If Fun with a Pencil is your first attempt at drawing, large chance they are not going to look exactly like Loomis' work. In fact, even those familiar with drawing may not get it exact faces, but doesn't mean you shouldn't give up. Try to get it at least 80% cloase as possible, since the book is simply teaching how the face should work.

By the end of the book, you should have a strong understanding as to how to draw face and be able to move on.

[Anonymous No.1898045]

>>1898039
Hey, thanks. It's my first attempt at drawing following a "path" (loomis' book in this case) before it I just made random doodles and all.
>at least 80%
Um, yeah but I can't tell how close I get. I mean, I follow the same characteristics of his characters but I end up mixing my style.

PS: Also started trying vine charcoal at the same time, but drawing basic poligons and that stuff.

[Anonymous No.1898047]

>>1898045
>Um, yeah but I can't tell how close I get. I mean, I follow the same characteristics of his characters but I end up mixing my style

You haven't established a style just yet, but certain artists have their "comfortable ways" of drawing. Sometimes it's usually best to leave that comfort zone to fully understand what errors you've made in your work.

As for the 80% thing, don't think about it too much. Compare your work to Loomis' examples and see how close you got it. Chances are, if you can determined what the face, eyes, and ears are in your own drawing, you should be on the right path.

[Anonymous No.1898051]

>>1898047
>certain artists have their "comfortable ways" of drawing
Well, yeah, that's what I meant.

Thanks for the tips, buddy. See ya in future beginner threads, gotta draw now!

[Anonymous No.1898054]

How do I get confident in my lines?

[Anonymous No.1898056]

>>1898054
make a bunch of neat ones till you dont even think about it anymore

[Anonymous No.1898059]

>>1898051
I lurk here all the time since I'm drawing all the time. Granted, I'm still too shy to display my work here on the boards since I'm still just learning, however any advice provided are from the numerous books I've read on the subject and advice provided in the past in these very threads. You'd be surprise about how many times the same question gets asked.

>>1898054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.1898068]

i really need work on my shading/lighting. what's a good place/book to learn in that area?

[Anonymous No.1898076]

[Anonymous No.1898095]

>>1898068
no books to learn value. takes practice.

[Anonymous No.1898104]

>>1898054
What this guy said>>1898059
It really helps

[Anonymous No.1898108]

i had fun
>tfw no pressure sensitivity

looking over it again i see the values are slightly off and the face looks a bit tilted more towards us. perhaps eye further forward too. hmm

[Anonymous No.1898116]

>>1898045
The idea is to get a feeling for how things are constructed, it isn't a big of a deal if your lines are shit as long as you are getting the principles behind the construction.

Its easier to fix bad lines on good constructions than the other way around, no matter how great your lines look, if the construction is shit then you are finely rendering a deformed turd.

[Anonymous No.1898119]

>>1898108
Well done, but you should vary more in brush size. Would look nicer with bigger strokes

[Anonymous No.1898230]

Been practicing everything on Michael Hampton's books.

[Anonymous No.1898233]

>>1897981
I'm not expert but that looks pretty good.

[Anonymous No.1898234]

>>1897987
Maybe vary your line weight?

[Anonymous No.1898384]

What would yall say is the best way of learning? Doing studies and fundamental practices such as figure drawing/still life paintings/etc most of the time or drawing/painting what you want and doing studies every so often? Been at this a little over a year myself doing mostly studies and its like now when I go to draw what I want I struggle like hell.

[Anonymous No.1898417]

[Anonymous No.1898426]

>>1898054
draw a bunch of circles before you start drawing, fill two pages

[Anonymous No.1898485]

>>1897976
Please tell me those aren't directly copied from Loomis.

[Anonymous No.1898593]

I'm confused at page 59 of perspective made easy
what the fuck is it trying to say?

[Anonymous No.1898609]

>>1898234
How would you go about doing that with a pen? The pen I use makes it difficult to shade to lightly tap any areas.

Do I need a specific pen, or do I just suck with a pen?

[Anonymous No.1898646]

>>1898417
so if anyone has any tips. Even if its just telling me its shit so i can close the thread and move on its welcomed

[Anonymous No.1898656]

>>1898646
Read the sticky. It's crap.

[Anonymous No.1898658]

>>1898646
It looks like some kid who didn't read the stickies, or any of the advice here, just came into this thread and posted some stupid shit that they did with their whole 5 minutes of drawing practice in the entire span of their lives. It's so shitty that most people are just ignoring it, because frankly, it isn't worth commenting on. It's a piece of shit. Now get outta here.

[Anonymous No.1898661]

>>1898658
So how about this?
Yeah ban me i dont give a shit

[Anonymous No.1898668]

>>1898661
Honestly? It looks like you are practicing properly, and it looks like you have a decent drive to commit to art. So stop shit posting and get to work. IDGAF if it's ponies or dildos or what it is. Post something that you actually put some effort into if you expect to get any kind of feedback.

[Anonymous No.1898671]

>>1898661
Alright, now it makes sense why your human work looks like complete shit. Please read the stick, as it'll help you greatly in becoming a better artists.

[Anonymous No.1898674]

>>1898668
i drew that girl 5 times, a simple is shit would have been enough. I had a shitty week, i just wanted someone to give me some female body exercises or something

[Anonymous No.1898679]

>>1898674
Alright, first off. Stop drawing ponies. Seriously. It's hurting your progress. If you want to draw girls, as in human girls, not pony girls, please go look at a reference and try to learn the different aspects of the female body first. Alternatively, read the sticky. Also, this is 4chan. Having a shitty week does not excuse you from being made fun of here. Try deviantart.

[Anonymous No.1898701]

Look, good art is supposed to inspire me but all it does is make me feel like shit. What should I do?

[Anonymous No.1898702]

>>1898701
Well, ask yourself why you want to get into drawing?

[Anonymous No.1898703]

>>1898702
To make something great to be produce amazing things. Why?

[Anonymous No.1898706]

>>1898108
can i have the link to that reference please? its gold

[Anonymous No.1898709]

>>1898703
Then use that art as your inspiration when you see great things. Everyone starts somewhere, and most of the time people start off like shit.

Everyone has potential to be the best, just put time into it.

[Anonymous No.1898710]

>>1898108
nvm got i. cool study

[Anonymous No.1898712]

>>1898679
meh, if he's just starting it dosent really matter how he plays with his shapes, as long as he's geting a better handle on manipulating forms.

Obviously if he ever wants to improve he'll have to do proper anatomical studies, but first things first.

That's why I sorta advocate Vilppu's manual over Loomis, he tells you to play wit hthe shapes any way you want to, all for the purpose of getting used to handling forms. I notice people get too hung up on making their cartoon faces look exactly like Loomis', when that's not even the point of the blooks.

[Anonymous No.1898714]

>>1898709
I still think that picture does the opposite of what it's supposed to do.

[Anonymous No.1898717]

>>1898714
Then with that mindset, you're destined to fail. Once that mentally is relieved, you'll be able to continue progressing.

[Me No.1898758]

>>1898709
Why is he drunk?

[Anonymous No.1898768]

2 minute hand gestures using that one gesture drawing site

I still feel like it takes me 10mins+ to draw a decent hand, though

[Anonymous No.1898798]

I am getting my drawpad soon.
How do you guys do gesture drawings etc on draw pads? 2 monitors etc? What about drawing with a reference how do I do that with a pad? Tab out to the browser/image?

[Anonymous No.1898806]

>>1897982
fuk dis, imma go back to drawing porn
>>1898798
on my tablet pc I sometimes have references up on one side of the screen

on my main computer with the intuos I put refs up on whatever monitor isn't aligned with the tablet

[Anonymous No.1898810]

>>1898806
>on my main computer with the intuos I put refs up on whatever monitor isn't aligned with the tablet
Ok. I will get another monitor. I have no idea how to set that up though.

[Anonymous No.1898822]

>>1898810
most laptops have at least one vga/hdmi/whateverthefuck port and most desktop computers have more than one

just get something that's capable of plugging in to whatever port type you have

GNU-linux/andprobablytheotherOSstoo are capable of recognizing most monitors so most of the setup is pretty automatic unless you want to go insane tuning colors/gamma. If it's showing the same thing on both monitors just toggle the option to mirror displays to the other thing.

[Anonymous No.1898893]

>>1898059
So what is this improving. I dont get why my pen is doing these hooks when I let go now

[Anonymous No.1898895]

>>1898893
the dude explained it. Practice that so you can just whip down your lines instead of being all scratchy with it.

you might find more success doing it with a pencil, i dunno.

[Anonymous No.1898896]

>>1898895
Should I be zoomed in for Longer lines to fill the whole screen of Zoomed out and do short lines

[Anonymous No.1898898]

>>1898896
cant help you there, i do it all with pencil and paper

[Anonymous No.1898902]

>>1898898
Well like should It a full page for Line, then another for Arc, and I should keep going over and over again like this instead?

[Anonymous No.1898905]

>>1898893
I practice this for 1,000 pages. When I finish, I become Buddha.

[Anonymous No.1898909]

>>1898905
A week?

[Anonymous No.1898912]

>>1898909
Try doing 10 pages. Then start doing 1 page before you start drawing for the day to warm up, or a similar exercise.

[Anonymous No.1898927]

Jeez these Videos from CtrlPaint are crap
Im not learning anything
This is like Sub beginner

[Anonymous No.1898931]

youtube com/user/ProkoTV

hey check this out. It is a decent video series on basic drawing technique.

[Anonymous No.1898932]

>>1898931
also don't listen to the assholes in this thread. Keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.1898942]

>>1897982
I tried, will improve slowly!

[Anonymous No.1898972]

Well, I think Ive gotten Line control down
Now I just need to learn is anatomy and how to exaggerate it

[Anonymous No.1898982]

>>1898972
work on your lines man, work on your everything

do gesture drawing, it's far too early for you to start anatomy

[Anonymous No.1898985]

>>1898982
I really have been
All those scratchy lines were my gestures and 2 other attempts
Pic related was what I was doing last week

[Anonymous No.1899013]

>>1898985
I don't think you are quite "getting" it then, no offense. Take a look at this playlist about gesture. If the volumes he suggests seem too overbearing, start with just a dozen gesture drawings and make more tomorrow. And most importantly try to internalize what he's saying, don't copy contours and see if yours looks anything like what he is describing and showing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y&list=PLBKm4jAnOFqNizQkLwtakeWaDdm7Bpahy

[Anonymous No.1899021]

>>1899013
I meant just my line works
I know my anatomy and gestures are crap, I mostly just try to draw from the mind, adding on more what I learn to anatomy as I go on

[Anonymous No.1899023]

>>1899021
Well if you want to work on line quality then you might want to vary your lines more. Have some lines have thicker weight to them while others should have thinner weights. Overall, try to draw in more confident, single lines instead of smaller ones. Also, mileage inceases line quality

But honestly, your figure is extremely simplified, which means you NEED to get some anatomy in there, also, some gesture would make it less wooden

[Anonymous No.1899039]

how is the composition/ perspective on this? its going to be looking up at a city in the clouds, made out of clouds. i feel like its going to end up looking flat.

[Anonymous No.1899040]

>>1899039
oh i forgot the pic. also, i feel lime every thing is going to 'horizontal' if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.1899041]

>>1899040
>i feel like every thing is going to 'horizontal' if that makes sense
no kidding

[Anonymous No.1899042]

>>1899021
Gestures aren't necessarily drawn from reference, it's just a fundamentally good exercise and your lines will improve vastly by doing it so I'd recommend it when you are first getting into drawing, regardless of what you do. You even learn anatomy and landmarks at the same time without even thinking about it. After a while you will learn to draw well balanced figures from your mind with a lot of the meticulous proportion practice a lot of beginners struggle with.

Some anon told me to start with gestures when I want to learn to draw and it was probably the single best advise I've got so far from /ic/ or anywhere else really, thought I'd pass it on whenever applicable

[Anonymous No.1899044]

>>1899042
I've watched Proko explain it in Videos like 3 times
And he doesn't explain HOW to do it

[Anonymous No.1899045]

>>1899044
feel it

[Anonymous No.1899047]

>>1899041
well the effect i was going for was you start at the bottom then you keep looking further up and back but when i added the in between islands i started getting all horizontally. but anyways ill take that to mean that it looks off

[Anonymous No.1899048]

>>1899047
and the fact everything it facing the exact same direction probably isnt helping either i should add

[Anonymous No.1899049]

>>1897982

[Anonymous No.1899051]

>>1899047
I meant your whole pic is horizontally rotated and its hard to see shit.

[Anonymous No.1899052]

>>1898485
Please tell me how to improve them, some honest feedback would be helpful

[Anonymous No.1899054]

>>1898417
>>1898646
Well, it's shit. But just about everyone starts out drawing shit. I know I'm still drawing shit.

Anyway, the first thing you should do is stop drawing what you think you see. You think you see a body and a head and eyes, etc. What you actually see are contours and values. Focus on drawing contour and value

[Anonymous No.1899055]

>>1898661
I get that you do not have a scanner, but if you see that you are casting a shadow on a drawing you want to post either move out of the way, or move the light source.
Also read the sticky. You are symbol drawing and you know not of how anatomy works, I know you want it stylized but you have to know the rules before you break them.I know it's annoying to hear but as soon as you take your medicine the faster you will progress. I use to do the same.
>>1898768
Those are great for two minutes! If you can get that much done in 2 mins you should try 1 min and try to figure out what lines are essential for drawing the hand, perhaps go the opposite direction afterwards and draw hands to completion at your own pace and write down where you find yourself stuck at times, those would be the problem areas you have to work on... In fact I might just do what you did later on today for practice, my hands aren't all that great.

>>1898985
If you were working on your lines then you really should've been doing gestures, they're the simplest form of the human body and do not need to know anatomy to do it.

I know you said you started out with a gesture, but look at the harry lines. When we place so many lines down like that, it's to make up for our ignorance in understanding what we are drawing. We are using a quick trial and error tactic to figure out where the line goes, while it may be good for that moment it is ultimately bad for clarity in the long run.

I try to keep lines as simple as I can make them now because when not only can I read them correctly, the places where there's the most lines slowly becoming an incoherent mess are usually the points I have trouble with.
If you go the route you may realize how poor your accuracy is, this can easily be solved by taking your time to "ghost" the line.

Sorry if I rambled about something or it doesn't make grammatical sense, my computer is acting unbelievably slow lately and it's long over due for an upgrade.

[Anonymous No.1899056]

>>1899051
oh lol this might be better

[Anonymous No.1899059]

>>1899044
Observe the motion and the 'rythm' of the figure. Old cartoons really help you with the line of action to start with, it's pretty similar when applied to the other stuff. In the video series he shows multiple times how to do it with examples side-by-side.

If you don't see it yourself yet, mimic him, and then try on your own with some other figure and post for critique.

[Anonymous No.1899060]

>>1899044

[Anonymous No.1899061]

>>1899055
The hairy one was the older one
I spent my time trying to get something that comes out smoother like>>1898972

>>1899059
is THIS what Im meant to be doing?
Its meant to be someone leaning forward with the rear stuck out, not to the side completely but at about the half way between Front and side

[Anonymous No.1899064]

>>1898902
how about you do that on a piece of paper you nigger

[Anonymous No.1899066]

>>1899061
Protip:
Post your ref with your sketch

[Anonymous No.1899067]

>>1899064
Paper doesnt grow on Trees dude
But really, I dont even have a Table to draw on

[Anonymous No.1899070]

>>1899066
There is no Reference

[Anonymous No.1899071]

>>1898902
You are using your fingers and wrists to move your stylus.

Keep your fingers and wrist locked and move the stylus with your whole arm. Think of it as copying the motion with your pinky knuckle.

[Anonymous No.1899072]

>>1899071
I thought I was meant to have a relaxed Grip?
Also should I draw like I am using a Pen or have it at a 90 Degree angle?

[Anonymous No.1899091]

>>1899070
Until you get used to gestures, it's best advised that you stick to drawing from references. It'll be easier for you also to judge your accuracy as well as well as improving your ability to see the flow.

Anyways while that pose is much better keep your mind with the flow and how the chest is closer to and pelvis is further away from us. Do you think the body really flows from chest, abdomen, pelvis at such acute angles?

Looks like you are getting the general concept and the only thing you can really do is more practice. Do not believe that you can get gesture just by watching videos and listening to advice. It'll take more than a few days or a few weeks of practice but will most likely take you a few months.

[Anonymous No.1899095]

>>1899072
90 degree grip is usually used for regular pens.

By keeping your fingers locked I mean not using your fingers to push the nib around. The length of your lines indicate a strong sense that

Don't go fast. Go for smooth movement from left to right. If you build up your accuracy now, speed will come later.

If you get bored what I use to do is find an image of stars. Connect two stars with straight lines, connect several stars using a curve etc.

[Anonymous No.1899097]

>>1899070
>go to http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
>nudes only
>set it to sixty seconds
>draw the figure within sixty seconds
>repeat
>git gud

[Anonymous No.1899098]

>>1899061
No you aren't supposed to be drawing cartoon characters, they are just a good example of exaggerated gesture that Proko talks about. Draw from reference so you learn the ropes of gesture drawing, then you will learn to draw them yourself.

[Anonymous No.1899106]

>>1899097
>60 seconds
For people new to gesture drawing it might take more than 60 seconds to analyze the pose.

Should aim for the 2-3 minute mark at first.

[Anonymous No.1899113]

>>1899097
>>1899106
Am I meant to draw it while looking at it or not

[Anonymous No.1899116]

>>1899113
That's kinda the point of the reference. The important thing with gesture is not to rush the lines and start drawing right away. You can do the gesture in just a few strokes so it's more important to do a few good strokes than to do do a lot and hoping one hits the mark.

Remember to have fun too!

[Anonymous No.1899120]

>>1898717
How do I get rid of that mentality?

[Anonymous No.1899122]

>>1899120
Stop looking at other's people work and improve on your own. Don't look at others work and tell yourself "I'll never get there" but rather "I can't wait to get there!" since everyone started exactly where you started. It's going to be work, and it'll eventually get fun. But know that it takes a lot of time to get their.

[Anonymous No.1899136]

>>1897982
Warning for bad chicken scratches. I really have a hard time seeing and understanding how the cloth flows.

[Anonymous No.1899137]

>>1899136
damn nigga look at his nose one more time

[Anonymous No.1899145]

>>1899137
I did my best

;_;

[Anonymous No.1899176]

>>1897976
How do I into facial features?
I've read Loomis and already know how to construct the head but I dont know how to make the face other than dots eyes, pointing noses and a curve for a mouth.

[Anonymous No.1899193]

>>1899145
check the pic related

from the hair line to the bottom of eye brows, from bottom of eye brows to the bottom of your nose, form the bottom of your nose to the end of your chin; are all the same proportion.

[Anonymous No.1899195]

>>1899176
That's symbol drawing, you need to learn the forms of the face

[Anonymous No.1899200]

>>1897982
All dat fucking hair, critique?

[Anonymous No.1899202]

>>1899200
add pupils anyway. artists not only paint what they see, but what they know.

[Anonymous No.1899235]

>>1898593
pls respond

also does anyone else hate that "do it better" thread on /ic/ lately?
don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "don't bully the bad artists" but it's just a bunch of circle jerking of shitty drawfags

[Anonymous No.1899243]

Other than the obviously bad staging and off-balance silhouette, is there something else that is really obvious?

[Anonymous No.1899271]

How's my Loomis looking? Do I have any hope /ic/ ;_;

[Anonymous No.1899277]

>>1899271
No it's fucking horrendous. You can do it, repeat it until you get it.

Tip: watch out for measurements and proportions!

[Anonymous No.1899281]

>>1899271
how about you copy some drawings from hampton, loomis, vilppu etc first and then try that imagination stuff

[Anonymous No.1899284]

>>1899271
read the right side of the brain first
you have to be able to see what your drawing

also don't give up faggot you can do it

[Anonymous No.1899286]

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[Anonymous No.1899291]

>>1899193
Thanks for the reply, but I meant more as how I draw eyes/nose/lips/etc more properly.

[Anonymous No.1899297]

So i was watching Proko's videos and the fucker told me to practice cubes before moving foward, so after a few hours of drawing random boxes I tried exercise like this, i know i messed up but I have no idea why

[Anonymous No.1899299]

>>1899284
Nah, I won't give up, I'm now on the "experiment with Felix the Ice" and shit got easier actually. It's just that I was trying to do a complex realistic character profile when Loomis keeps telling me to stick to comic for now.

I should've followed Loomis instructions since the first time.
>>1899281
That's what I'm doing, and that was actually one of them.

[Anonymous No.1899318]

>>1899235
1.) Post a screen shot of the page or the place that you don't get or something, my interest isn't strong enough to find the book through my files

2.)The "Draw it better" thread is a great idea, but executed poorly. This should've just been done in sport, but all we have in there are elitist cunts making fun of not only the original people drawings but the remakes while not contributing themselves.

We are all here to learn not shit talk other people and gossip. The more you draw, the better you'll get. So it's not a circle jerk of shitty drawfags, it's a circlejerk of elitist cunts calling people shit.

I don't blame them though, I was going to participate, but most of the images were not only poor in quality, but in concept. Like really shitty Ideas.

I actually did a "draw it better" piece a while back to see if I should unwatch an artist who really has just stop progressing all together (He isn't that good neither am I) and it was a great experience to see how much I progressed over the few months I was taking art seriously.

[Anonymous No.1899321]

>>1899299
What books have you read so far? Wondering what you're using for progression.

[Anonymous No.1899325]

>>1899318

>2.)
Seconded.

[Anonymous No.1899327]

>>1899297
Draw the cubes free hand after get a ruler and try connecting the lines too see if they go to the same vanishing point/points. There you have it, now you can always know if you fucked your cubes.

[Anonymous No.1899328]

>>1899327
But then how do i know if it's a cube and not a random box

[Anonymous No.1899343]

>>>1899193
Fun With a Pencil
Perspective Made Easy
Dynamic Anatomy

In that order. I don't know if it's a good sequence. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.1899346]

>>1899318
this page

[Anonymous No.1899359]

Thanks for the links dude! That was pretty helpful

[Anonymous No.1899365]

>>1899195
Any books that help with that?
Currently reading Loomis Drawing the head and hands.

[Anonymous No.1899432]

Is there any way to make her more kawaii? Or is everything fine and continue on with Fun with a Pencil.

[Anonymous No.1899480]

>>1899432
Nope, keep working. Look how her face is crooked. More exercise.

[Anonymous No.1899491]

Is it considered bad practice to move your tablet around? Like, sometimes, if I have weirdly angled lines to draw, I will rotate my tablet like you would a piece of paper in order to draw it.

[Anonymous No.1899501]

>>1899491
Rotate the canvas instead.
I know you think it's the same thing, but it isn't.

[Anonymous No.1899586]

>>1899346
It's basically saying that vanishing points are relative.

Take a look at this >>1895154

You see how they all have their own vanishing point? they're the same object but the corners of the drawers are in different places, so they have different vanishing points, but they're all on the same horizon.

Vanishing points can be anywhere on the horizon (for 1 and 2 point perspective)

[Anonymous No.1899605]

>>1899480
I can never understand how to get the ball right and making the divide on the plane. I normally wing, and at times the face will come off crooked. Well, there's 3 other faces on the same page, I'll just continue with those.

[Anonymous No.1899608]

>>1899586
ok now I understand
thanks for the help anon

[Anonymous No.1899655]

Did more silhouettes. I am sort of slow, what does doing this help? I feel like I'm getting a better sense of proportions and center of gravity, aswell as learning where to see shapes, but is that all there is to it?

[Anonymous No.1899813]

How does this artist get his lines to thin and thicken out like this?

[Anonymous No.1899823]

>>1899813
Line settings. If it isn't line pressure sensitivity, you can choose to make lines taper at the ends and get thicker in the middle. Some brushes might be that way by default. Some programs let you apply that kind of effect to actual line tools or pen tools.

[Anonymous No.1899836]

halfway through his eyes looked like they were glowing so I enhanced the effect for the heck of it

[Anonymous No.1899840]

>>1899836
dammit just noticed his face is too small

[Anonymous No.1899843]

>>1899836
besides the eyes looking too small, its looks good to me

[Anonymous No.1899862]

>>1898902
Wooooow, One fucking day and I can see improvements, gonna keep doing at least 3 of these a day

[Anonymous No.1899865]

>>1899862
If those get too easy for you try curves, ellipses, and circles as well. The longer you make the curve, and the more waves it has, the harder it will be. Try spirals as well if you think you're up to it.

[Anonymous No.1899872]

>start learning to draw
>goin strong for awhile, feels good
>go from practicing one hour a day to three to four
>all urge to practice just fucking dies
God damn you pic related, I haven't even broken much into shading simple 3d objects yet

[Anonymous No.1899896]

I got a question about the divide ball method Loomis' talks about in Fun with a Pencil.

>Approached with the understanding that one is drawing solids instead of lines, the method becomes surprisingly simple.

What exactly does he mean by that?

[Anonymous No.1899907]

sort of finished roughing this out today.am going to animate it later, and i'm going to look a little at what i can find out from color theory to make it look less clipart-y. rdjhsftrikjrtjskym

[Anonymous No.1899910]

>>1899907
of course, i forget the pic.

[Anonymous No.1899913]

Am I vlippuing right? I.e. The bean and box method.

[Anonymous No.1899917]

>>1899910
I think it needs some indication for legs.
Like even a line on his white shirt to break apart the torso to create a waist and filling it in a different color to indicate pants

[Anonymous No.1899928]

>>1899917
but the legs are supposed to be obscured by the comically large shoes, kind of like Paper Mario

doesn't it work like this? but yeah, unlike mario his lower body area doesn't really have much form to set it apart from the shoes.

[Anonymous No.1899953]

>>1897982
tried also longest study I've done
am I still symbol drawing? I tried thinking in forms and 3d space

[Anonymous No.1899977]

>>1899928
With paper mario he's rounded at the bottom to indicate the end of the torso giving believe that there are legs. Like how rayman though he doesn't have any still gives you an idea he has legs.

Just my personal opinion though that it doesn't sit right to me.

[Anonymous No.1899989]

>>1899862
have you actually watched the peter han video? 6 pages a day, lines varying from 2 inches to full page width and don't forget ellipses

[Anonymous No.1899995]

>>1899953
Yes still symbolism.
eg. The eyelid curves around the eye but you didn't indicate it and your nose dips down which represented you went back to relying on things you've memorized in the past to draw those features.

[Anonymous No.1900067]

I'm not going to give up but hot damn Loomis is alot harder than it looks.

[Anonymous No.1900128]

>>1897982
I'm an engineering student who hasn't picked up a pencil for a while. Someone tell me what I can improve upon. Also, how the fuck am I supposed to draw that detailed beard?

[Anonymous No.1900146]

>>1899896
That with the impression that you're drawing figures with volume makes it easier to figure out the proper structure of the face, that is often a pain in the ass when drawing it using just sloppy lines without volume reference

[Anonymous No.1900151]

[Anonymous No.1900153]

[Anonymous No.1900156]

I refuse to study Loomis just because its all stupid American Cartoons from the 50's style.
The only good Cartoon from that Era was Popeye

[Anonymous No.1900158]

>>1900156
Loomis isn't the only person to write beginners manuals

Why did you even post this

[Anonymous No.1900161]

>>1900158
Because hes the only one anyone even posts
And the main start to the Sticky

[Anonymous No.1900162]

>>1900161
>Vilppu
>Hampton
>Betty Edwards
>Bert Dodson
>all those youtube cunts

yea nah, quit bullshitting around.

[Anonymous No.1900163]

>>1900161
>Because hes the only one anyone even posts
lurk more m8

[Anonymous No.1900180]

First time doing speed Gestures
1 minute and 30 seconds each

[Anonymous No.1900186]

>>1900180
>top left
>dont hide ur face babi, u r beutiful

[Anonymous No.1900188]

>>1900186
She had Fake Red curly hair, She was not. Not enough meat on the bone for me

[Anonymous No.1900190]

>>1900188
Alright, I'm no expert, but I'm going to attempt to help you out. You aren't really catching the gesture, you're focusing too much on contour. When drawing gesture, you should be focusing more on the energy, or the flow of the figure, and not focus so much on the outline of the figure and the anatomy. When you get better at detecting the actual gesture (use curvy lines for this), you can focus on adding anatomy later if you so desire.

[Anonymous No.1900195]

>>1900190
I was just trying to copy Proko
He was showing off how he does his stuff in a very basic anatomy

So what I should be doing is a stick figure mostly?

[Anonymous No.1900204]

>>1900195
Gesture is drawing lines of motion in a figure. The flow or essence of the figure. You don't need a contour (the outline), proper anatomy, etc, all you need are some flowing lines that represent the motion of the figure. Figure studies, figure drawing, anatomy studies, etc are completely different, and while they can be integrated into your gesture studies when you get significant skill, they are not necessary for the task at hand (gesture). It is a stick figure, but not. You aren't drawing the body parts, you're drawing how the body parts flow into a gesture.

[Anonymous No.1900283]

Is this the way you're suppose to do gestures? Also sorry for the picture of my screen, I found this in my whatsappimages. I was showing a friend what I was doing.

[Anonymous No.1900285]

>>1900283
they seem kinda fine to me, could do with a bit more energy to them dough

[Anonymous No.1900297]

Im getting Pain in the shoulder, is this bad?

[Anonymous No.1900299]

>>1900297
Fix your posture. Stretch, take a break after 30 minutes.
I ended up with RSI and couldn't draw for 8 months as a result of my bad posture and no stretching.

[Anonymous No.1900311]

>>1900283
I know you have reasons, but I just want to know why.

Why couldn't you take a screenshot and post that. No internet connection on that thing?

[Anonymous No.1900316]

Hopefully this doesn't make someone mad.

I'm using a tablet in Paintool Sai and occasionally I'll get these strange "hooks" that jet off into different directions when finishing a line.

Couldn't find anything about it on google, anybody know what the problem is?

[Anonymous No.1900318]

>>1900316
Paint Tool Sai had problems in the past with Wacom drivers. If it's wacom you may need to completely remove the Wacom drivers from your system then reinstall it.

[Anonymous No.1900324]

I cant seem to get these Knees right, Im trying to have the Hips slightly raised to the Left side

[Anonymous No.1900326]

>>1899977
Appreciated. Will see what I can do with it.

[Anonymous No.1900328]

>>1900316
That was happening to me yesterday
When I reset my computer it worked well again

[Anonymous No.1900333]

>>1900324
try the pose for yourself. What happens to your knees when you raise your hips? what happens if you force your knees to stay in place?

[Anonymous No.1900334]

I tend not to linger much

[Anonymous No.1900337]

>>1900334

[Anonymous No.1900342]

>>1900337

[Anonymous No.1900352]

>>1900342
You got the weight right in the first image you posted but the this on it seems off.

[Anonymous No.1900356]

>>1900352
Yeah man i know what you mean, they are just sketches i do at mu job, nothing i want to use for any real work, i use no refferences on these

[Anonymous No.1900357]

>>1900342
Nose looks flat or rather makes the whole face look pushed in.

[Anonymous No.1900365]

Sounds fun, let's roll!

[Anonymous No.1900366]

>>1900365
lmao replied to wrong thread.

[Anonymous No.1900369]

>>1900324

FYI, this is the Beginner Thread, not the Stylization thread. If you want to draw cartoons go there.

First of all, you're cheating. You haven't drawn the feet and you haven't indicated the ground plane. Considering the pose you're aiming for is a change in weight distribution these things are important.

Secondly, the knees don't make sense because you aren't actually drawing knees. You're just drawing angular lines that don't really have anything to do with knees. If you were using construction to build the body you wouldn't run into these sorts of problems.

As I said, the pose you're aiming for is about weight distribution. Balance. The weight is being shifted onto her left leg. The way you've drawn it is to have one thigh longer than the other. The secret of this is in the torso. The torso is two parts, the ribcage and the pelvis. If she shifts her weight onto her left leg then the left leg pushes the pelvis up and tilts it downward to the right. To balance herself she tilts her ribcage in the opposite direction (otherwise she would tip over).

[Anonymous No.1900371]

>>1900369
But I am a beginner, I redrew this like 3 times to get it where it is now, I just prefure to draw a cartoonist style
And I just suck at feet, so I left that out right now
So to make this look more real
I should bring her left shoulder up and lean her hear to the right some more?
And maybe bring her left leg in and Bend it a bit?

[Anonymous No.1900374]

>>1900371
If you hate feet you should not avoid giving it a go in every sketch or are you planning on never drawing feet for the rest of your life? It's just a sketch, go for it.

[Anonymous No.1900381]

>>1900374
I draw feet when I have a Reference
This is me trying to take bits and pieces and applying it together
I might do some once I figure out how the legs will sit
Not sure how much of an Arch I should give on her left leg

[Anonymous No.1900385]

>>1900381
My advice to you is doing a bunch of those, freehand, takes little time, dont mind the outcome, dont erase a line, just do a bunch so that over the time you'll be familiar with shape and the general direction of what your style is heading, i mean that sketch is so simple you shouldnt really be bodered with how it comes out, do another and progress, repeat.

[Anonymous No.1900391]

>>1899896
gotta feel it bruh

[Anonymous No.1900392]

>>1900381
>>1900371
>But I am a beginner, I redrew this like 3 times to get it where it is now, I just prefure to draw a cartoonist style

Dude. Get your basics down and style will come later.
You don't even have to have any skill to know that redrawing that... thing is an exercise in futility.

If you suck at feet, draw them. You won't get better unless you practice. What you posted is not worth defending or bettering. Draw the forms of the body in the correct proportion as accurately as possible over, and over, and over.

>>1900385
Also what this guy said.

[Anonymous No.1900406]

>>1900371
>I am a beginner

Then you should not be drawing in a cartoony style. If you insist on drawing only cartoons then you are severely limiting your education and growth as an artist. At the very least you should learn perspective and construction, as these are tools that are just as valid in cartoony styles as they are in realism. However, if you don't learn any realism then all you'll be able to draw is extremely shitty cartoons. Cartoon styles development from people exaggerating the world around them. You don't have any experience in drawing reality so you're trying to do the opposite: Taking an abstraction and trying to add realism. You're swimming up stream.

[Anonymous No.1900408]

>>1900151
Which exercise is this one?

[Anonymous No.1900413]

>>1900406
Its what I'd want to do
I mostly want to get good
Then do some Lewd commissions that will make peoples dicks happy
Im not focusing on doing a cartoonish style, it just comes naturally

[Anonymous No.1900416]

>>1900413
>Im not focusing on doing a cartoonish style, it just comes naturally

Then it's not a style.
It's just bad habits and symbol drawing in the guise of one.

A style is a conscious effort to break the rules in a specific way.

[Anonymous No.1900425]

>>1900413
I'll never understand this mentality. New to drawing, wanting to draw cute things like pic related but no idea how. I was told to read the sticky, and so far I've been doing well. Been at it for two months and currently working on Loomis' work, it becomes more apparent as to how these drawings come to life.

Just cause it isn't titled "HOW TO DRAW ANIME!!" doesn't mean it won't teach you how to go about executing it properly. What I do is read what to do from these beginner threads, and on weekends visit a get together with an art teacher who's willing to host a 2 - 3 hour class at some local hobby lobby and does a damn good job critiquing my work.

But whatever, some people just don't want to improve, I guess.

[Anonymous No.1900438]

>>1900425
Im the type of guy who thinks Practice makes perfect
Theres only so much a book can actually teach you, but with hands on, the possibilities are endless
Where could I do this class? Is it Free? Im fucking broke as shit

[Anonymous No.1900451]

>>1900438
Books can introduce to you the fundamentals of drawing, allowing you to open your mind as how to execute the more difficult drawings. Before getting into drawing, I remember asking myself "whoa?! How the hell did they draw that?!" when seeing really impressive landscape work. After two months of reading, I'm still impressed but can break down the structure as to how it was created. Rather than seeing the work as "impossible", I can now see as how it was created.
In other words, the books recommend here to you can break that wall that prevents some artists from advancing as long as they are done in order.

As for the classes I mention, no they are not free. Classes last a few hours, but it session cost $18 which isn't a lot at all for this artist, as he's a great teacher and his work is rather impressive. I also visit frequently with an art tutor every Wednesday who isn't as much help, but he also gives more insight as to how to improve.

My only concern in my art studies is not the work load, but rather, I hope to not stray off into the wrong path. My art tutor keeps me in check to ensure I follow the correct path. These beginner threads help provide any info necessary to improve and suggest X book when needed. And my weekend sessions gives me another set of objectives to continue drawing.

[Anonymous No.1900467]

>>1900425
>What I do is read what to do from these beginner threads, and on weekends visit a get together with an art teacher who's willing to host a 2 - 3 hour class at some local hobby lobby and does a damn good job critiquing my work.
How do you go about finding something like this? I would kill to be able to regularly do that without actually applying to art school.

[Anonymous No.1900472]

>>1900467
At my community college, I was asking art teachers around about their classes and what they taught. I requested an art tutor, but unfortunately they couldn't assist me in that. After talking to various teachers, one pointed me over to a near by Hobby Lobby, saying they have drawing sessions among a group of other people.

I will admit, I don't go EVERY weekend cause I'm a poor piece of shit and work sometimes gets in the way, but it helps. Don't judge the group for who they are either, majority of the people in these sessions are soccer moms with nothing better to do on their time, but holy shit at their work. When I saw what they could draw, and finding out they just started drawing in their late 30s or so, I knew I had to stay for those sessions.

But yea, talk to those familiar with art and see if you can get more info on how to find these sessions. Or google it, and see if they host sessions at some public venue.

As for the art tutor, I actually got lucky. Granted, he isn't much help, but one of the teachers I spoke with happen to come across the guy and we got to meet up.

[Anonymous No.1900478]

>>1900451
Would it be Douchy to bring my Laptop and Tablet to one of these?
Not like I could afford these classes yet anyway

[Anonymous No.1900479]

i need help. Im a beginner and i decided to do a course problem is i choosed the wrong one and i was stuck with people that were drawing for 6 years. Homework was all kinds of crazy shit like draw a mutant spy or something and i barely got better in the whole year.
How do i choose the correct course for me? can i just g to college and they will teach me from a basic level?

[Anonymous No.1900480]

>>1900478
I just bring my pencil and drawing paper to these things. Like I said, you need to understand the type of people you'll be drawing with before coming in. Bringing a laptop to the sessions I go to might be a bit much.

[Anonymous No.1900481]

>>1900438
>Im the type of guy who thinks Practice makes perfect

Yes, but if you aren't practicing the right things you won't get really far.

I'll admit you can learn a bit through osmosis, however you'll be frustrated a lot because you do not have the skills required to solve simple problems.

Artwork is going to take a lot of time, your work will look as flat as it looks now because you don't know what you are drawing underneath that.

You'll get frustrated at your lighting and wondering how to make it look alright, you'll get lucky a couple of times yes, then you'll stick to the same lighting and poses cause they are the easiest to do.

Artists think just because they're artists all they have to do is be "creative" but that is far from the case.

You are a scientist first. Dude you're going to do hentai you have to study some biology (anatomy) you have to know how light works, values, perspective form and shape.

Perhaps even study other cultures (if you get commissioned for something weird).

The sooner you get the shit out of the way the faster you can be "creative". I would recommend you schedule study days from creative days.

[Anonymous No.1900635]

>>1898893
Did you use some stabilization on your software? I'm trying to do that same exercise but everything is looking much shittier than how you did it

[Anonymous No.1900694]

How's my Loomis evolving?

I guess pretty good but still a bit sloppy (hope mileage will fix that).

Any more tips on these?

[Anonymous No.1900750]

>>1900694
I like it. Keep going!

[Anonymous No.1900761]

>>1900694
I understand studying his anatomy, but why are you studying his cartoons?

Do you want to draw 50's style cartoons? What is your end goal?

[Anonymous No.1900765]

>>1900761
Not him, but what are you talking about? Loomis provides more info on how to draw the body towards the end of Fun with a Pencil. After doing those exercises makes it easier to do the work on Successful Drawing.

[Anonymous No.1900789]

Yeah, I know that the real skeleton doesn't look like this from anatomical point of view. What do you think 'bout that?

[Anonymous No.1900793]

>>1900789
For starters, it looks very flat.

[Anonymous No.1900795]

Is it ok to use chicken scratch for the outline/scetch then make it bold with a pen or whatever ?

[Anonymous No.1900801]

When I want to draw straight lines i have probably to learn to draw with my arm. It's impossible at first cuz i'm not used to it. Has anyone experience with this?

[Anonymous No.1900816]

>>1900795
As long as the final image looks clear. It's okay for your outline to look messy.

>>1900801
90% of beginners have this issue. Drawing with the arm is awkward for most people, but it's the best way in drawing lines.

[Anonymous No.1900818]

>>1900761
Loomis tells me about anatomy structure and then gives you simple cartoon figures to practice it in a easier way than giving you a full realistic body. I'm just doing the exercises he tolds me to do, just that, not studying his cartoons, studying the structure behind those cartoons (I had to build it before adding the details).

I'm thinking on getting into Vilppu once I've got Loomis' fundamentals on anatomy and such.

[Anonymous No.1900839]

i tried to use one of those ref sites. i know these are shitty but can you tell me why (aside from anatomy)?

[Anonymous No.1900850]

gonna finish this another time
also need to practice connecting lines

[Anonymous No.1900865]

>>1900816
Its impossible with arm

[Comic Books vs Graphic Novels No.1900875]

>>1900839
Well, they have no gesture and its basically a outline of a figure. Go look up some stuff on doing gestures and actually study anatomy

OR quit now and become a hipster artist

[Anonymous No.1900879]

>>1900875
yeah the anatomy is off.
you need to learn body proportions.

My advice is dont draw poses yet. you need to just learn how long everything is. Usually artists go with the 8 head body proportion where the head is used as reference and the whole body is split up into 8 sections. Just draw a flat person and work on that. I think poses are too advanced for you, unless you have something from reference. I set aside a couple hours each day to draw. try to draw EVERY DAY.
keep at it, and don't get discouraged.

[Anonymous No.1900886]

Any good face sketching tutorials ?
Thanks

[Anonymous No.1900890]

>>1900761
The cartoons represent simple construction through basic shapes. After people practice on the simple cartoons, he moves onto more realistic drawings by expanding on the basic principle. Starting with the cartoons is the best thing for a beginner to do.

[Anonymous No.1900891]

>>1900283
If you're asking if the lack of detail is okay, then yes that's fine. However I see very little gesture.

[Anonymous No.1900892]

>>1900875
>>1900879
thank you both! gonna actually read all the books everyone here is recommending and draw way more

[Anonymous No.1900911]

>>1900128
pls help

[Anonymous No.1900930]

Never posted before but I know I have to start somewhere. Probably shouldn't have drawn such a small scale.

[Anonymous No.1900933]

>>1900911
I don't know, man. It looks like an alright start, but it feels like you've stopped way earlier than you should have. Finish the picture before asking for advice. Also take a better picture next time.

[Anonymous No.1900934]

>>1898609
Most pens should be fine. The more free-flowing pens need more skill to perform light strokes.

[Anonymous No.1900942]

decided to draw some heads with hair to get some practice. 5 hours later i only manage to finish these, not the number and quality that i expected when i started. Especially considering the time i spent with them.

Pretty exhausted now and lost all motivation to continue, what keeps you going anon?

[Anonymous No.1900947]

>>1900942
>what keeps you going anon?
Masturbation

[Anonymous No.1900951]

>>1900911
think shapes, not hair strands, and refine from there as you like just like sculpting.

[Anonymous No.1900954]

>>1900942
>what keeps you going anon?

it simply must be

[Anonymous No.1900956]

>>1900342
because of the placement of the dudes hands it took me three checks to realize that she has her legs wrapped around him. I just about asked why she has a nutsack tucked in behind her legs in one scene and a vag in the other. It also doesn't help that the lines of her ass curve directly to the outlines of his legs. This probably wouldn't be such a problem if there was more contrast between the page and the lines. another minor issue is the position of the dude's head. Unless he's meant to look directly at the viewer, he has no reason to tilt his head to the side like that, especially when he would realistically be looking into the eyes of the girl he is fucking, or at least at her body, rather than the opposite wall. a fix would be if both heads were tilted and at an angle so that they are looking at each other but you can still see their faces

[Anonymous No.1900958]

i need some advice in the body.

It's me or it's too wide from the middle to the bottom??

also any advice about the body will be great

[Anonymous No.1900965]

>>1900958
Look at a real body and judge for yourself.

[Anonymous No.1900983]

>>1900958

[Anonymous No.1900989]

>>1900958
I have to ask this cause I don't know, but how did you come about this drawing? What have you tried to stud when it comes the same?

I only ask, since when I see a bad drawing, they all look exactly the same. Why is that? When people draw poorly, why is it equally as poorly as the next?

[Anonymous No.1900998]

[Anonymous No.1901002]

I really wish I stopped hating myself every time I see great artwork. But I don't know what to do.

[Anonymous No.1901005]

>>1901002
A lot of people have this mentality, and I see it all the time even from really great artists. Honestly, when I see really great art, I actually look at it as "man, I can't wait to be this good" and I understand the time necessary to put in such efforts. My only worry is that I hope I'm following the proper instructions to improve.

[Anonymous No.1901008]

>>1901002
copy that shit. Even tracing is fine.
Makes you feel good and get something out of it.

[Anonymous No.1901011]

Ugh, I was doing good. In the last five weeks I drew for 80 hours. Now I've got a major cold and it's completely fucked me up. I already missed yesterday's work that I'll have to catch up on this weekend, now it's looking like today's won't get done either.

[Anonymous No.1901012]

>>1900958
this is what i have so far

idk, i think what i pose i will be drawing and start drawing from the head to the feets..

maybe i need more female anatomy knowledge..

[Anonymous No.1901014]

>>1901005
>"man, I can't wait to be this good
But the thing is I don't know if I'll ever be good. I wish I had your optimism anon.

[Anonymous No.1901016]

>>1901012
>>1900983

[Anonymous No.1901017]

>>1901014
stop harboring useless thoughts

you want to git gud right? just work as efficiently as you can.

[Anonymous No.1901018]

>>1901014
So, you've started drawing believing you'll fail? Do you do this for everything?

When you learned to drive, did you stop yourself from learning cause you felt you could never see yourself behind the wheel?

Why even bother with drawing if you're already in doubt in your abilities. The problem is, everyone starts some where, and I guess people like you just assume everyone got amazing by this magic that made them Gods are drawing. Problem is, we're all human, and this power is obtained with knowledge and time. You'll get there, anyone can get there, but just know it's going to be work.

[Anonymous No.1901020]

>>1901012

If you keep doing this you'll be a beginner forever.

[Anonymous No.1901025]

>>1901018
N-no I didn't.

>and I guess people like you just assume everyone got amazing by this magic that made them Gods are drawing.
Well they always seem to produce good stuff on a regular basis. Meanwhile I'm producing objectively crappy things.

I just wish I wasn't the most autistic perfectionist to ever exist.

[Anonymous No.1901028]

>>1901018
Not the same guy, but even if I know it's bullshit I keep thinking that "All these artists have divine talent and could replicate the mona lisa blindfoled at 3 years of age". It's dumb, but I just can't help but feel like I need that natural skill to get good.

[Anonymous No.1901030]

>>1901025
>>1901028
it becomes easier once you realize it's all technique, they dont just magic this shit up. They take the techniques, master them, and do what they want with them.

[Anonymous No.1901032]

>>1901025
>>1901028

The thing is, there is no "natural skill" and anyone can tell you that. Sure there is some amazing talent out there for certain aspects, but those people are literally 1% of the human population, but you make it sound like it's every decent artists.

And of course they put good stuff out on a regular basis. If I drew 6 hours a day non-stop for 3+ years, I'd expect to draw really well all the time.

[Anonymous No.1901033]

>>1901030
How can I stop being a perfectionist and start being unafraid of making mistakes to learn. I really just wish I was more confident like you people.

[Anonymous No.1901034]

>>1901033
You harness that autism like any good savant.

Accept that you will make mistakes, but By God will you search out every nook and cranny to perfect your techniques. Use it as fuel.

[Anonymous No.1901036]

>>1901032
Speaking of time, how is even possible to get that much ? Do you have to turn full NEET and live at your parents house until you can make some cash out of it ? And you can't do that shit after work or school.

[Anonymous No.1901037]

>>1901036
Learn to maintain a schedule. I put at least 4 - 6 hours a day in drawing, work 2 jobs, got school. However, I do sacrifice time hanging out with friends and spend it on drawing.

[Anonymous No.1901045]

>>1901012
>>1900958

You should stop drawing shit and learn proper figure drawing for a few months then go back to your flat faced bug eyed vietnamese animation.

[Anonymous No.1901046]

>>1901034
E-even if I do everything wrong? I mean I'm supposed to be practicing at least 4-8 hours a day but only manage like two or so. How do I harness my autism into an unstoppable force for learning?

[Anonymous No.1901047]

How would you go about drawing the ball for heads like pic related?

[Anonymous No.1901049]

>>1901046
I feel like we're the same. If I could just harness my autism into willpower, things would be so much easier. Whenever I draw something I start sweating bullets and do internal monologues about how i'm shit.

[Anonymous No.1901053]

>>1901046
>>1901049
The whole point of mistakes is learning

you're deluded if you think you'll get it right on the first time.

[Anonymous No.1901056]

>>1901053
I know man, and that's the worst part. I just can't get past the delusion even if I know it's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1901066]

>>1901053
It's just if something small is off it bugs me and I go back and make it worse. It's why my figures looked like crap. But I'm starting to see what you're saying. I just wish I could drill it into my head so these feelings don't come back.

[Anonymous No.1901076]

>>1901056
>>1901066

Have you have to do is actually drill that shit, keep working, move past the useless thoughts (or manage to change your views entirely, a journal might help) and you'll be well on your way.

[Anonymous No.1901077]

>>1901076
What you have to do*

[Anonymous No.1901083]

>>1901049
>>1901056
have you guys ever tried just scribbling wildly in the general shape of whatever it is you want to draw?

[Anonymous No.1901085]

>>1901016
Like this?

[Anonymous No.1901090]

>>1901083
Only in chicken scratch, which according to others is the spawn of satan

[Anonymous No.1901093]

>>1901090
so learn some line control

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.1901097]

>>1901093
Is it normal that I feel like I have some sort of low-level parkinsons when trying to do shit like this ?

[Anonymous No.1901099]

>>1901097
Its like lifting weights, of course you'll be weak at the start.

[Anonymous No.1901101]

>>1901076
>a journal might help
Could you explain how it could help? How did you do it? Do you reall think I can do it?

>>1901083
What does that do?

[Anonymous No.1901106]

>>1901101
>Explain how

Well, you have a problem. Say anxiety about your work or feeling despondent. You can pick up your journal and try to understand exactly why you feel that way. Have a look at everything you do on the physical, mental and emotional level, since its your actions that result in the outcome.

For example

>I have a problem, feeling as if I wont ever git gud
>Why do I feel that way? What ideas lead to this view?
>Is that really what I want to believe?
>What do I need to become good at art?

Ask questions like that in order to explore your views, and the end result should be a change in how your view yourself, and you can then take better action.

[Anonymous No.1901108]

>>1901056

I never thought I could be a chef, chop fast like a machine or stretch dough paper thin with my bare hands. Replicate flavours , season everything in a balanced way.
It was surreal to me, some fucking magic, or master skill that took 70 years to attain.

My first week at the job was torture, I wanted to die, it was so hard, everyone moved with speed grace and purpose, I was a lumbering oaf "doh how do i peel patato durr", when I got home my feet hurt so much, we didn't take breaks, we never do.

After a month I felt less out of place but still shit , I had so many cuts and burns on my hands I looked like a fucking gulagh prisoner, after 2 months it was kinda the same, half year mark I felt better in the kitchen, I got used to the movement and the environment, and though I knew nothing about cooking I could replicate the seniors.
Yet every time I saw some new technique I would shit myself and think "omgawd how do they do it" I still had no confidence.

4 years later, guess what? I'm still cooking, moving from place to place, learning and working. I look at new techniques and skills in a different way.

Its all just a matter of time.

May sound unrelated but i think it is, the more I get into drawing the more I see the similarities, 'put more effort into the lines, force your hand to move that way, look at the subject" etc etc.
Drawing is a skill, just like cooking or driving.

I KNOW its just a matter of time, you should to.

[Anonymous No.1901114]

>>1901018
>>1901005
>>1901030
>>1901032
>>1901034
>>1901037
>>1901053
>>1901076
>>1901093
>>1901099
>>1901106
>>1901108
Thanks for all the advice. /ic/, i'll try best. Hope the other Anon finds all the posts useful too !

[Anonymous No.1901118]

>>1901085

See>>1901045

[Anonymous No.1901125]

>>1901093
I've been trying to get this down, but while I can kind of do it on paper, I'm finding it nigh-impossible on my tablet. Whenever I try and do a curve, my computer lags and puts a hideous straight line right across the middle.

What do?

[Anonymous No.1901129]

>>1901125
What tablet do you use?

>>1901106
I could give that a shot. But say:
>I feel this artist is superior to me
>what is he doing better than me
>everything
I greatly appreciate you putting up with me. I think you've helped more than anyone.

[Anonymous No.1901135]

>>1901129
So why do you think hes doing everything better? Perhaps he's practiced for a long time and has accumulated knowledge you have yet to gain?

Thats all art is really, just applied knowledge. Thats why so much emphasis is placed on drawing from life, you learn so much from it. At the same time the techniques imparted by various artists are just tools to help you gain and apply even more knowlesge, the more you work with these tools the better you can use them.

[Anonymous No.1901142]

>>1901135
You're right. But I still feel I'm never gonna learn everything. And I want to stop worrying so much. I wish i wasn't bringing you down. You're doing great things for this thread anon.

[Anonymous No.1901144]

[Anonymous No.1901146]

All c&c welcome.

[Anonymous No.1901147]

>>1901142
Best way to stop worrying is to just act, immerse yourself in the process and you'll work it out intuitively.

[S !NnUuRoP4mU No.1901148]

All c&c welcome.

[Anonymous No.1901150]

>>1901147
The immersion part is hard for me admittedly. But I can act I can take that leap of faith. Do you still have these problems? thanks for everything.

[Anonymous No.1901151]

>>1901093
This practice wouldn't really help with Digital art, you cant leave a dent in a Tablet

[Anonymous No.1901152]

>>1901129
Wacom Intous 4 (also sometimes a Bamboo, but it doesn't seem to affect the issue.)

[Anonymous No.1901159]

>>1901152
Try this

[Anonymous No.1901161]

>>1901150
inused to get very upset with how I drew because "it didnt look right" and such and such. But then after a two year break I realized that it was all about learning the good techniques and working them to perfection, not drawing random stuff and hoping it works out. So I took to that and made good gains in a short amount of time.

What I deal with now is sometimes temporary roadblocks in my development, but i know that struggle only means that there is something In my own approach that I must examine and correct. Art is all a mental/emotional process as much as it is a physical process.

[Anonymous No.1901163]

>>1901151
You dont need to do it on a tablet, just work from pen and paper and the skills should easily transfer over

also there are different ways of holding a pen and still maintaining control, i dont think you have to stab the hell out of your tablet to keep control of the lines

[Anonymous No.1901171]

>>1901159
Worked like a charm! Thanks anon, I'd assumed I would just have to deal with that until I could get a better computer.

[Anonymous No.1901172]

>>1901161
>inused to get very upset with how I drew because "it didnt look right" and such and such. But then after a two year break I realized that it was all about learning the good techniques and working them to perfection, not drawing random stuff and hoping it works out. So I took to that and made good gains in a short amount of time.
So you're saying even if something I drew looks wrong I shouldn't worry, because it's all part of the process? how many times should I repeat doing something? You're a godsend anon.

[Anonymous No.1901174]

>>1901171
The same thing was happening to me. So I know how you feel, now go out and be amazing.

[Anonymous No.1901180]

>>1901172
Yep, you should practice often enough so you get good results whenever you apply the concept.

For example, if you're no good and drawing squares, then draw squares until its no problem, same with any other technique or concept. You need to be constructively aware of all your strengths and weaknesses.

[Anonymous No.1901187]

>>1901180
But if I'm studying a moving object life, what if I'm too slow? How do you practice that?

[Anonymous No.1901193]

>>1901187
start with still objects, eventually you'll develop skills to identify and quickly capture gestures and identify key details to describe a moving object.

[Anonymous No.1901202]

>>1901193
Do I need to use measurements (like something is half a thumb long let's say) when doing still life?

Now I feel bad because i didn't even do an hour's worth of drawing today.

[S !NnUuRoP4mU No.1901203]

>>1901148
Just did this.

Mark my words, /ic/, I will learn to construct and shade properly!

[Anonymous No.1901218]

This looks really wrong

[Anonymous No.1901221]

Does the way you grip your pencil/pen matter ? I've always held it like this, ever since I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.1901222]

>>1901218
That's cause it is.

If that's loooooomis then try 8 divisions or 7 and a half instead of that shit.

Or use the cranial unit method.

I'll let Skroto talk for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMoplyGboI

[Anonymous No.1901223]

>>1901222
I was doing this while It played
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBAPGBlnls
He came out all Torso and no Leg

[Anonymous No.1901225]

>>1901223
Dear lord, what happened to the guy on the right ? Did his legs get caught in a paper shredder ?

[Anonymous No.1901227]

>>1901223
Hmm that is a bit confusing, imho.

He's using Loomiseses method but there are better teachers for that.

Sycra or Skroto for example.
Sycro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nTEgET9DA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKcI49l5uc

Skroto
http://a.pomf.se/ivheeb.mp4

[Anonymous No.1901232]

>>1901227
P.S.:
These are just to get a feeling for the divisions, of course.

You're still at the skeletal/mannequin frame stage, after all, so divide your skeleton according to these explanations and don't try to draw like, whole figures already.

Well, unless its in your 'free time' and not study time.

Don't go ahead too fast and study (meaning, try to get it right) your skeleton frame first, you can doodle/attempt full fleshed figures but that should be secondary, even if they look good.

Learning a skeleton is easier and faster and helps you draw things from different angles whereas the fully constructed figure is a lot more complex but yeah.

No rules, only tools, etc.

[Anonymous No.1901235]

>>1901232
Why are skeletons awesome?
Because they stay hard!
http://youtu.be/rK1mhVk3jF4?t=39m16s

[Anonymous No.1901378]

I swear I used to be better at shading

[Anonymous No.1901398]

>>1901221

Try this exercise >>1901093 and see how much that effects you. If you're unable to draw the line, perhaps moving the hand around may help.

[Anonymous No.1901434]

>Doing the best drawing I have ever done
>Doing Details
>Sai Crashes

[Anonymous No.1901466]

>>1901434
>not hitting ctrl+s every five seconds
git gut

[Anonymous No.1901538]

does anyone have shaky hands? is this just me not being sure of my lines or should i seek medical help to calm the shakes?

[Anonymous No.1901552]

>>1901538
Pic or didn't happen

[Anonymous No.1901569]

>Be beginner
>Starting off sucks
>Ask someone for advice
>"I don't believe in giving help with drawing. If the journey is difficult for you then it will better define your own personal style."

>Person believed that refusing to help me actually helps me.
>Years later, not any better.
>Still no "personal style"

If wanting a personal style will make learning harder then I'd rather not have one.

[Anonymous No.1901574]

>>1901538
I do but it mostly shows up when drawing too slowly. Try drawing with lighter touches and try different speeds. Sweep and pull your pencil.

[Anonymous No.1901590]

New >>1901589