Beginner Thread #32

[Anonymous No.1891256]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1887217

[Anonymous No.1891268]

And the other study

>implying that wasn't porn
Goddamn you, previous OP. Shit's 2lewd.

[Anonymous No.1891270]

I tried simplifying this drawing, kind of fond of this tech, Its easy on the eyes and kind of masks the bad quality parts.
dont need to worry about where a curve should end exactly.

[Anonymous No.1891271]

>>1891268
>>1891256
Well, more people taking part of these now. Thats good

[Anonymous No.1891296]

>>1891268
Who do some people do a basic line art in a different colour first?

[Anonymous No.1891299]

How did I do?

[Anonymous No.1891301]

What about this reference?

[Anonymous No.1891311]

>>1891299
Original pic pls

[Anonymous No.1891319]

Was there any videos for Learning Sai Paint Tool?

I watched some for Photoshop, but now I know Sai is better I should learn that more

[Anonymous No.1891327]

>>1891319
>now I know Sai is better
Please end with this is the best than that mentality. Soon you'd start believing that you can't draw well because you don't have a cintiq and making up all sorts of excuses.

Both have their merits. I just use Sai because I found it simpler but definitely not as powerful as Photoshop.

I never found any good tutorials nor looked for any as coming from Photoshop I found it rather intuitive so maybe you'll have some luck just playing around with it since you've watched some for photoshop, all the information about layers brushes etc should be transferable.

By the way many people see Sai as a crutch making "smooth lines" and know you want it for that but I have to say you are falling in the same pitfall, smooth lines from a program only accounts for 10%, the other 90% is personal technique.

[Anonymous No.1891329]

>>1891299
it looks like her butt is way too far from her torso

[Anonymous No.1891333]

>>1891327
Well soon as I switched from Photoshop to Sai, Ive seen the improvement in my lines
Pic Related is something I would do in Photoshop
And >>1891270 is what I am now doing with Photoshop
I can see I have gained more confidence and Understand how a body works slightly more. But Sai really feels more, Nice.

[Anonymous No.1891335]

>>1891333
Looks like you are using the wrong settings in photoshop, sensitivity to opacity etc.

Doesn't even look like you turned on sensitivity in Sai, maybe give the Min Size slider a play around.

Programs count little if you don't know how to use them and really does not matter if you are using it for practice.

And in my opinion your photoshop one is much much better, less hairy lines.

[Anonymous No.1891337]

>>1891333
use a tapered setting makes everything easier

[Anonymous No.1891415]

>>1891311
Sorry anon, I don't have it on me. It's from somewhere on pixelovely

[Anonymous No.1891420]

>>1891333
look at some figure drawing lessons to get a better hang of how to copy and invent figures authentically. for example Hampton or Vilppu

[Anonymous No.1891422]

My last night study session. I'm like already struggling with b/w i cant imagine how im going to understand color and use it with imagination.

Also any crits?

[Anonymous No.1891431]

If I'm using a sketchbook should I be using a number 2hb pencil or a 4b pencil?

[Anonymous No.1891435]

>>1891431
I find 4b more comfortable but it reallt depends on your preference

[Anonymous No.1891444]

>>1891422
That's the way to do it. Portraits are hard anyway.
Keep measuring stuff extremely carefully. At the moment the nose is too low, chin too close to the shoulder. Don't be afraid to erase your mistakes to paint over it. spend few more hours on it, it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.1891451]

is there a difference between drawing digitally and drawing traditionally?

[Anonymous No.1891453]

>>1891444
Thanks for the feedback anon, i will definitely work on it more! :)

[Anonymous No.1891457]

>>1891451
Each has its own benefits and counterpoints. I suggest to tackle both of the mediums. You save a lot of money if ya paint digital since you dont have to buy paints. But traditional atleast you have the physical drawing when you're finished with it.

[Anonymous No.1891462]

i'll try this one out too

here is the reference for anyone that wants it

[Anonymous No.1891469]

>>1891462
Thx. I like you more than this anon >>1891299

[Anonymous No.1891475]

>>1891462
Still working on small ass paper, need to wait till tomorrow for a bigger one

[Anonymous No.1891502]

>>1891256

hehe. i find it cute that you guys dropped the shitty porn photostudy and picked up the sculpture i posted in the last thread instead. infinitely more bang for your study-buck.

[Anonymous No.1891507]

So I've been trying to figure out how to do proper facial proportions, but sources keep giving me different guide lines. They all start with a circle, but sometimes they divide the circle in half and use that line for the eyes, other times they go 2/3rds down the circle and use that as the placement of the eyes. Which is correct? Does it depend on how you define the Jaw? Also when they say " the eyes should be one eye apart", does that mean the eyeball, or the whole eye, because a lot of the time it doesn't seem to be the case.

[Anonymous No.1891511]

>>1891507
Why don't you try actually looking at a face and measuring for yourself?

[Anonymous No.1891514]

>>1891502
see >>1891268

[Anonymous No.1891516]

>>1891507 look at a skull. it all becomes clear when you know the anatomy of things and understand what can and what can't be changed

[Anonymous No.1891522]

>>1891507
Just draw the same face with both guide and see for yourelf

[Anonymous No.1891523]

>>1891507
Always thought the eyes were at about the same level as the ears. Could be wrong though.

[Anonymous No.1891524]

This may be the wrong place to say but I've really needed a good Sai torrent that gives me all the textures for practicing and etc.

Anyone have a torrent of the latest version?

[Anonymous No.1891565]

>>1891502
get out

[Anonymous No.1891571]

>>1891333

[Anonymous No.1891595]

I just wish I could just follow the steps that other artists took to get good. Like what books he read in what order

[Anonymous No.1891599]

Sup, beginner thread. Was wondering if you could help me out here.

Apart from the hair and eyes, what is wrong in this picture? And why does the left side of her shirt look so damn lifeless?

Excuse the potato cam.

[Anonymous No.1891602]

>>1891599
Reference used.

[Anonymous No.1891607]

>>1891599
In order to make ur drawing more lifelike, u need to add shading to give the illusion of depth. Take the reference photo and use Paint or photoshop n convert to black n white to see the varying shades of grey.

Otherwise the piece looks good although I am viewing it from iphone so I can't say for sure. Other ppl might have some other critique

[Anonymous No.1891619]

If I'm drawing still life is it okay if I fuck really bad?

[Anonymous No.1891621]

>>1891619
You shouldn't have sex while drawing

[Anonymous No.1891623]

>>1891621
>implying I have a gf/bf
I meant is it okay if i screw so bad chris chan is motherfucking da vinci compared to me

[Anonymous No.1891633]

>>1891599
Doesn't look too bad actually. It lacks gesture though. The shoulders in the photo have an angle, so does the neck and the chest. Also try to think about lineweight. Don't outline the lips with thick lines, only the middle of the lips have a black shadow.
Be careful with the width of the lips and eyes, you made it bigger than they actually are.

[Anonymous No.1891636]

>>1891623
no

[Anonymous No.1891637]

>>1891623
*screw up so bad

[Anonymous No.1891641]

>>1891623
Is it okay? Not really, keep practicing. You'll know you've gotten better at observational drawing when you're da vinci compared to chris chan. Until you've gotten to this stage you've got stuff you can work on.

But it doesn't mean you have to keep doing still lifes till you're better at it. Try to spend some time learning the fundamentals. The basics of lighting a sphere, the basics of linear perspective. Bring one fundamental into your work one at a time until it becomes a habit, then start introducing another one. That is, spend a few days working only in line and discovering its possibilities. Then, spend some time doing tone. Keeping moving forward until you've gotten to everything that can be considered a fundamental or basic, and re-visit the basics every once in a while. Over and over again, this is the process for improvement.

[Anonymous No.1891650]

>>1891607
Thanks, I'll try that tip!

>>1891633
Thank you.
>The shoulders in the photo have an angle, so does the neck and the chest
I noticed that the second I posted the reference underneath- it stuck out a lot.

>thick lines
I'm trying! I moved on from mindless chicken scratches to this.. hopefully I'll learn my way out of this habit, too.

Thank you both, again. It really helps having different perspectives.

[Anonymous No.1891657]

>>1891511
people these days are too lazy to study things them selves, personally i think it's the abundance of tutorials.

[Anonymous No.1891663]

>>1891657
This is one of my hardest pitfalls to climb out of. There are literally thousands of tutorials and books on so many different things, and it's all freely available to a beginner. Different people will say to start with different things, and to add to that, I have ADD which makes all this shit jumble up together and I'm switching from this tutorial to that tutorial weaving in and out of drawing and then doing other shit. Today I thought of people back in the old days. They would just have drawing tools and a canvas to draw on. Literally everything else came from either obscure texts that many people didn't even have access to, or from LIFE. It got me thinking, this information age really is a blessing and a curse.

[Anonymous No.1891735]

>>1891507
Loomis page 39

http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Fun%20WIth%20a%20Pencil.pdf

[Anonymous No.1891739]

>>1891507

This is the most depressing type of question I see here because it illustrates that you're not willing to use your cognitive ability to figure anything out. Realize that one person's way of doing something is ONE PERSON'S way of doing something. Seriously. Stop using how to guides as a crutch and just think about the god damn subject for a second.

[Anonymous No.1891801]

>>1891623
You just have to keep practicing, also keep practicing English

[Anonymous No.1891807]

How do I learn Gestures

[Anonymous No.1891812]

>>1891807
>see shapes in the figure abstractly
>actively measure points as you draw
>don't sketch
>declare your line

[Anonymous No.1891823]

>>1891812
But I dont get how Im meant to see them, Im missing something, Like some Nails without a Hammer

[Anonymous No.1891829]

>>1891812
I don't understand any of this

[Anonymous No.1891831]

>>1891829
Read Hampton, Helped me quite a bit actually.

[Anonymous No.1891849]

>>1891823
>>1891829
Stop thinking so strictly in terms of getting an accurate construction drawing when doing gestures. Once you gain some skill you can begin to apply construction to gesture models, but as a beginner you should really just be drawing observationally.
I'm not a huge fan of Proko but his video's are at least closer to what I mean, and if you don't know what measuring is, I would suggest learning how ASAP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

[Anonymous No.1891851]

I draw from life pretty regularly but holy shit do i feel rusty using pixelovely again, some of these poses are like "fuck what is this body even doing"

tbh i think i should probably do longer ones instead of these short ones, i'll probably try doing the statue in the op and try to get as accurate a line drawing as i can.

i'm also using pen but i feel like i'm still treating it too much like it's pencil, should probably spend more time thinking out my lines.

[Anonymous No.1891890]

>>1891849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqsk1vZSKw

[Anonymous No.1891913]

>>1891849
I fucking hate this guy

[Anonymous No.1891918]

>>1891913
Proko? He's a smug little shitstain but his lessons are pretty good for absolute beginners, especially those who are too lazy to read loomis/hampton/whathaveyou.

[Anonymous No.1891937]

This was as far as I got on the 2 minute setting.

[Anonymous No.1891978]

>>1891937
That girl is weird. It always seems like her torso is so small

[Anonymous No.1892001]

>>1891978
Yeah that skirt is up high I think. Probably should've found a nude one but I was working on gesture.

[Anonymous No.1892017]

I like to draw.

[Anonymous No.1892019]

Who the fuck would want to draw this, Why would you take this picture

[Anonymous No.1892027]

Should I save all my drawings into a Folder for each month

[Anonymous No.1892030]

>>1892027
jej yeah

[Anonymous No.1892042]

[Anonymous No.1892046]

>>1892042
Armstrong is that you?

[Anonymous No.1892098]

>>1892042
STANDING HERE

[Anonymous No.1892132]

Im quite fond of people re doing a drawing I did to point out whats wrong, its very helpful

[Anonymous No.1892133]

>>1892132
I was in that thread. The pink one

[Anonymous No.1892139]

>>1892133
Its so damn useful, just looking at it I can see that my head was to round, the Breasts should be further apart and where the hips should connect with the torso. Once I get good, I will also do this for other Beginners, Thanks Man

[Anonymous No.1892141]

>>1892139
Wasn't me that did it. It was probably Kiwi. Thank her

I'll save it for reference, too.

[Anonymous No.1892143]

These are my first Photoshop drawings. Photoshop is hard with just a mouse.
Didn't actually plan on doing this much drawing, so they are even more doo-doo

[Anonymous No.1892145]

>>1892143

[Anonymous No.1892146]

>>1892145
and thats all

[Anonymous No.1892209]

>>1892098
I REALISE

[Anonymous No.1892286]

>>1892132
>The red one.
Really?

[Anonymous No.1892288]

>>1892141
>ic
>her
ofc

[Anonymous No.1892289]

>>1892286
That one was obviously a joke. But if you're drawing for generic porn requests, you can't go wrong with drawing characters horribly ugly like that.

>>1892288
What about /ic/? No one mentioned that. The red lines weren't from /ic/

[Anonymous No.1892296]

>>1892286
Eh, Im kinda a fan of blowing things out of proportions
>>1892288
It was from /v/s drawthread

[Anonymous No.1892452]

Reducing chicken Scratching was way more easier than I thought it would be

[Anonymous No.1892465]

As an eu fag those threads are too kill.

[Anonymous No.1892488]

>>1892019
I would

[Anonymous No.1892493]

>>1892145
Tried adding a background

[Anonymous No.1892507]

>>1892488
Keep up the work anon, I've seen you posting recently. A mistake I see is that you underestimated the angle of his right arm. Notice how he is is lifting his arm up, practically. Better to make an action over-dynamic than under-dynamic.

You've gotten the legs pretty okay though, in terms of angle. Also, careful with your photography. The converging/receding lines of your sketchbook means that your drawing is going to be skewed. Try to make it so the lines appear parallel. If you need to, prop it up on something.

[Anonymous No.1892559]

>>1892507
I totally can see it now, her arm also looks too muscular.
I'll take care of the photos as well, thanks for the critique!

[Anonymous No.1892567]

>>1892493
you know drawing with a mouse isnt all that harder since most of the principles still apply, all that really change is the smoothness of your lines

[Anonymous No.1892830]

trying to make a decent looking self portrait.

[Anonymous No.1892831]

I can never think of anything to do when I draw, they're always just awkwardly standing there

[Anonymous No.1892833]

>>1892831

This may help you out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKdg0Wwsl0&list=FLdeCmhaqfyOd29absnSd2uA&index=2

[Anonymous No.1892836]

>>1892831
>>1892831

Come up with a story or prompt. Think of what the character does and how he/she/it does it. Think of the personality traits you desire to give the character, the subtle quirks that they would have due to their past...

Or you can just make them in a heroic/sexy/monstrous pose like every other artist out there. It's faster and easier since there's a lot of references out there.

[Anonymous No.1892945]

I've gone through proko and the first half of Loomis' FwaP, yet I feel the roundness of the face is throwing me off. What should I with the chin/cheekbone line in round faces?

[Anonymous No.1892964]

>>1892830
color it when you're tripping acid, it will surely be awesome

[Anonymous No.1892983]

Which is better?

[Anonymous No.1892984]

>>1892983
or this

[Anonymous No.1892985]

Should I invest into a Anatomy doll?

[Anonymous No.1892987]

>>1892984
or this?

[Anonymous No.1893061]

So what is this practice for? Muscle Memory?

[Anonymous No.1893090]

>>1893061
Muscle memory & line control

the latter is a bit more important if you ask me

[Anonymous No.1893120]

>>1893061
>>1893090
Cool, found this in a Digital Tutors intro drawing tutorial

[Anonymous No.1893139]

Study from the older thread, I know I messed up the face and proportions. Any advice/critique?

[Anonymous No.1893234]

Does anyone have a list of exercises from drawing on the right side of the brain. The bullshit to useful ratio is driving me nuts.

[Anonymous No.1893261]

>>1893061
Get some copy paper and fill out 6 total pages of straight lines, curved lines and circles a day. In a month or two you will have improved vastly.

[Anonymous No.1893272]

>>1890225
>But right now your main problem is you need to check more closely your angles. Use your pen if you need to. Lock your arm, and set your pen parallel to the angle, then transfer the angle to the other side.

Can someone explain this a bit more clearer? I'm reading it but i didn't understand where to put the lines/angles on the picture

[Anonymous No.1893295]

>>1893261

I've been at this for a month, using up quiet a bit a paper. Honestly, I've only been doing the line exercise part (haven't done the arc or curves yet), but I notice my lines are so much better.

[Anonymous No.1893302]

>>1893234
Read keys to drawing, no bullshit there.

[Anonymous No.1893332]

>>1893272
His lines are relative to the pose, he put lines from where the limbs are pointing.
Basically always refer one part of a drawing to another and always make these measurements

[Anonymous No.1893351]

Does anyone else not want to post here out of fear of being looked down upon for being linked to this place?

[Anonymous No.1893355]

>>1892567
this, also if you want certain lines to taper you can use the fade setting on the brush tool, it's actually kind of cool because then you have to plan your strokes to get the right taper and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.1893360]

>>1893351
how much do you think people actually care about you or anything you do?

[Anonymous No.1893364]

>>1893351
Of course, who in their right mind would want to be associated with pedos, furries and murderers? Get your resources (adblock on) and close the tab

[Anonymous No.1893374]

>>1893360
When I do get famous, I don't want people somehow linking my art to here.

[Anonymous No.1893389]

>>1893374
It's not very likely that anyone will make a connection between professional pieces you do in a few years and standard beginner exercises unless you do something like putting a huge obnoxious signature onto every piece. Also maybe don't include any handwriting in general.

But why bother coming here if you're so embarassed about it?

[Anonymous No.1893397]

>>1893374
>when I do get famous
>afraid to submit work for critique

Hmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.1893399]

>>1893397
>being this stupid
Amazing

[Anonymous No.1893411]

Beginner drawing class in University. Professor: " I taught a figure drawing class and everyone drew the figure. I was surprised no one cropped their drawing to just an arm or something." Lol, kill me.

[Anonymous No.1893472]

this is the main character i'm drawing for a possible future comic, set in military/navy style, let me know what you guys think of the image.

[Anonymous No.1893480]

>>1893472

looks generic as HELL

[Anonymous No.1893495]

>>1893472
generic anime # 597

[Anonymous No.1893496]

>>1893472
PLEASE dont go toward manga-styled. create your own style dude. you're most likely not japanese, you must embrace your non-asian art style. it might be hard at first, but you can do it. i can re-create that picture in an american style if you want.

[Anonymous No.1893503]

Could someone give me advice on this?

[Anonymous No.1893507]

>>1893503
i see on yours there's too much of an indent between the butt and thigh, make it flow a bit more. rest of leg should be more thick instead of stick-like. push the stomach/torso back a bit. also, butt should be a bit more squishy/resting on the cube. otherwise, i like the rest. your anatomy is good so far.

[Anonymous No.1893559]

>>1893507
I tried to make the adjustments to the legs and cleaned it up a bit.

[Anonymous No.1893574]

>>1892983
can't tell what that is
>>1892984
can tell what that is
>>1892987
can tell what that is but isn't as clear as >>1892984

[Anonymous No.1893576]

>>1893574

My issue with that drawing is that it looks very flat.

[Anonymous No.1893587]

>>1893559
Looks good, she's more graceful. Now finish that left hand.

[Anonymous No.1893605]

>>1893472
nice bulge

[Anonymous No.1893690]

Once again the same bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1893707]

Any tips? I feel like I'm making half of the head too small. is the method off or do I just need to work on my visualisation?

[Anonymous No.1893770]

>>1893707
Its good that you are thinking in terms of planes, you will see that values will be easy.However , try thinking in terms of structure to create the faces.Try the Loomis, and Ron Lemen methods

[Anonymous No.1893794]

>>1893770
Thanks, I'll look into it and post results

[Anonymous No.1893838]

>>1893261
Can I just do it on my Tablet still?

[Anonymous No.1893880]

>>1893472
You are trying way to hard to emulate animu and Mango

[Anonymous No.1893906]

Loomis Help?
My drawings look really different from Loomis' drawings and I feel that I'm not really understand anything. Sure, I get that it's a ball that can used for any directions with his guidelines, but I feel like I am just copying all the facial features (eyebrows, cheek shapes etc) and just slapping them onto my drawings without understanding anything.

I've tried drawing them in other perspectives for one of them and it looks really awful. I can't construct a face without copying his facial features or without adding another smaller ball before simply tracing the outlines (where the features protrude)

How could I understand this better?

[Anonymous No.1893908]

I only just started to draw shit

[Anonymous No.1893924]

>>1893707
the scalp on the top left one looks small because you've drawn it like the face was in side view and you just flattened it so it looks more "in perspective?" i guess. I suggest you look at bald people or babies and draw them as you see them, and feel the form of the skull

[Anonymous No.1893933]

>>1893908
His fingers are stubs. Study hands.

[Anonymous No.1893941]

So painting is hard as hell. I normally just do line art, but what the heck. Color and value is a whole nother beast.

[Anonymous No.1893974]

>>1893941
Thanks for letting us know I had no idea

[Anonymous No.1893977]

>>1893941
Those feels are mine.
Look at this mess...it's not right and I don't even know where I should go after that for details.
Well, I guess studying a more simple version like I did here with thumbnail size is a start...

[Anonymous No.1894286]

is there a good guideline/mnemonic/crutch to make (loomis) face front planes broad enough to fit in nose, eyesockets and still leave some space at the side?

I know that between eyes there should be enough space to fit a third eye.
What about the outside of the eye though? The outer corner of them?
How much space should be there until the edge of the face?

I am having great trouble putting the eye sockets there.

[Anonymous No.1894288]

>>1894286
is it the sliced off ellipse?

that still is hard. I can only place it in full frontal or side view.

[Anonymous No.1894336]

>>1893977
wtf are you painting in color for?
You are so KKK you don't even use black nigga
Black and white studies go!

[Anonymous No.1894343]

how do you know when you're able to see things?
I thought I'd got it but when I went to draw something on my imagination, it ended up like shit

I'm reading right side of the brain obviously

[Anonymous No.1894375]

>>1894336
Is there a specific process to transfer the color pics in black and white?
Pic related
But I guess I'll just go back to basic forms and anatomy at the moment anyway.
For later : is there any good basic color exercise?

[Anonymous No.1894405]

I was wondering what you people think really matter in a drawing

[Anonymous No.1894438]

>>1894405
I assume it depends on what you go for, your goals?
But if you're talking about illustration, I think it's everything, structure, gesture, colors if any, and obviously composition.
It's like asking what really matter in a movie. It's a bit of everything, scenario, directing, acting, sound, etc. If you fuck up one it'll be weird.
To sum up I don't think there's one thing only hat matters more. But don't quote me onthat, still a beginner.

[Anonymous No.1894593]

>>1893906

Just keep going.
I was in the same boat as you, reading Fun with a Pencil, doing the exercise and not fully understanding as to what was going on. Thing is, you're not going to get your faces to look like Loomis' work (but you may be able to once you finish the book).

Just draw everyone shown in blue as close as possible to the book. If it doesn't seem right, try that face again, but note that it will not look 100%. I felt like I wasn't doing well until the exercise where Loomis tells you to draw his face. I drew it and it came out looking 95% close to his face with no instructions. I was surprised as to how well I did, and continued with the book.

Just don't think too much about it and don't worry. Draw what you see and eventually you'll catch on. Don't skip any steps, there's a reason why the book makes you draw out the cheekbones and what not so many times, and you won't realize it till half way into the book.

[Anonymous No.1894631]

[Anonymous No.1894780]

Hi, I like drawing.

[Anonymous No.1894783]

>>1894780
No you don't, or you would've post something.

[Anonymous No.1894784]

>>1894593
Which book is this? I got one of his books and it turned out to be 90% about perspective magic that I can't even get into since I can't draw for shit yet regardless. Like I want to see if I can even draw anything worthwhile before I get into perspective and shit, or is that the natural flow of the fundamentals?

[Anonymous No.1894788]

>>1894784

If you're looking at Loomis' work and just started, first book you want to pick up will be Fun with a Pencil then go on from there. The book mention in that post is Fun with a Pencil.

Also, if you're trying to learn fundamentals and just starting, look up "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" or "Keys to Drawing" (1 or the other).

[Anonymous No.1894790]

>>1894788
Thanks. I tried to skip the fundamentals, but then I realized that I am terrible.

[Anonymous No.1894791]

>>1894790
Don't do that. Everyone sucks at drawing at first then eventually you get better in time as long as you keep at it.

[Anonymous No.1894793]

>>1894791
I'm amazed by the people who draw characters that look completely 3D with great knowledge of anatomy. I have a decent knowledge of anatomy, but everything I make ends up looking flat. It's just obvious that I have no clue about the fundamentals of art.

[Anonymous No.1894796]

>>1894793
The more you read about it, the more you understand.

With the image pic related, I remember seeing images like this thinking "holy fuck how is that even possible?!" but once I've established a strong sense of fundamentals, it's easy to break down how the image was done. Granted, it still may be difficult to do, but not the frustrating type of difficult.

[Anonymous No.1894805]

I made this for you guys with lots of love.

[Anonymous No.1894840]

>tfw everything you draw sucks unless you're directly referencing something
>try to go through books
>they all go over your head and your hand refuses to draw
>been looking forward to drawing all day
fml

[Anonymous No.1894855]

>>1894840

Try visiting a museum.
Take pictures with your phone of sculptures and paintings to your liking. Learn the history behind said items. Draw said items in your vision and figure. Bam, a drawing.

[Anonymous No.1894878]

anything is appreciated

[Anonymous No.1894914]

>>1891256
why am I so lazy

[Anonymous No.1894919]

>>1894878
the left shoulder is area looks deformed. and the chest needs more definition and contours.

>>1894914
well you got that far at least.

[Anonymous No.1894925]

>>1894914
Because your are scum.

You just have to change your mind and instead of looking things as a whole, think of its smaller individual parts and set them out as goals.

Gesture, 3D forms, solid blocks of value, detail then clean up. If you did those, you did 5 tasks right there opposed of "I got to do a drawing" and only think you've only done 1 task.

It is obvious that you have spent quite a deal of time drawing but you have to take a step back and stop looking at the end goal, it will come naturally if you just do small tasks every day so take pride in those small things you accomplish.

[Anonymous No.1894953]

All from imagination except for the hooded guy..the ref was originally a hooded girl but I messed up and she ended up looking like a guy so I said "fuck it", squared out the face and pressed on. I know it's terribysmal but this was the first time in a long time I actually had fun drawing and tried a few new things I never tried before. So I figured I'd share.

[Anonymous No.1894976]

rookie here!, no bully pls.

[Anonymous No.1895030]

>>1894925
>Because you are scum
Are you serious
Is this guy serious

[Anonymous No.1895045]

>>1894976
please read the fucking sticky

[Anonymous No.1895046]

>>1895030
Some people need to stop wallowing in self pity

[Anonymous No.1895072]

>>1893355

[Anonymous No.1895095]

>>1894953

i hate when people write their autistic memes around their drawings.

[Anonymous No.1895096]

>>1895072

when i was drawing this i realised god is dead

[Anonymous No.1895101]

>>1895096
That's pretty close to what I was thinking.

More about my depressing life and the crushing loneliness. Also I was hiding from an armour study.

[Anonymous No.1895112]

>>1894780
>enjoying drawing
>enjoying art
>not wanting to slit your wrists everytime your at a canvas
fucking casual-pleb with no motivation. Your never going to make it like that, nut up or shut up faggot

[Anonymous No.1895117]

I just realized/discovered my art is really shit. I mean I knew it was shit, but I didn't realize it was that bad.
I practiced for hours and hours and all the resources the pros told me to do. I thought I finally got it, I thought I finally got out of that bad level and got into the mediocre level. I thought I made progress.
But I didn't. I'm shit just as I was before. A friend told me that I wasn't good and everything hit me.

I'm feeling really horrible, worst I felt in years. I'm scared to go back to art now because I feel like I'm just going to embarrass myself again. It's also going to bring that memory I just made today.

I don't know, I feel terrible about art now, but I don't want to lose it. It's something I love but how do I deal with this

[Anonymous No.1895170]

>>1895095
He was probably having fun and got carried away.

[Anonymous No.1895244]

>>1895095
I do it all the time. Not really memes but frustrations of unfinished pieces that I won't finish or fix. I skimmed through some of my works these last few months and noticed the thing I wrote the most on unfinished pieces was "how do I hands" and "what are hands", because I couldn't (still can't) draw hands that look decent.

[Anonymous No.1895245]

>>1895244
Hah, just noticed that guy wrote something similiar there >>1894953

[Anonymous No.1895246]

>>1895117
Just remember EVERY artist has felt this way at some time. Even good artists feel this way. Use it to motivate yourself; instead of saying "my art is shit" say "my art is shit but if I keep at it I will improve".

[Anonymous No.1895277]

>>1894976
Look at artists with a style similar to what you like/are trying to reproduce.
Are they looking like your drawings? No. Ask yourself why.

[Anonymous No.1895295]

wip from previous thread, finally got to rendering
i want to be like chinese artists, damnit

[Anonymous No.1895301]

>>1895295
>i want to be like chinese artists, damnit
that's good good goal, but once you have attained it you shouldn't overrender like they do.

less is more.

I know how to write complex makefiles by hand but that doesn't mean autogenerators aren't better.

[Anonymous No.1895315]

What should a beginner be able to draw? I mean what's a realistic goal to set for a 45 minute drawing for someone whos never drawn before?

[Anonymous No.1895487]

any advices, please?

[Anonymous No.1895493]

just made this study.. comments?

[Anonymous No.1895495]

>>1895493
btw, heres the reference i used if any of you wants to try the same excercise.

[Anonymous No.1895553]

>>1895315

Read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1895569]

>>1895493
make edges lighter in places

[Anonymous No.1895572]

Charcoal and newsprint.

Q: Im looking at portfolio requirements for art schools, many advisers say absolutely no pieces that use a photo reference. (and they claim that they can spot the difference) That seems a bit unfair for us poorfugs that cant afford the same resources as others. I can just use a friend or objects around the house but they are no way as interesting or dynamic as a live person or a well resourced set of photos. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.1895584]

>>1895572
you could get a 3d software, download some models,pose them and use them as reference

[Anonymous No.1895589]

>>1895493
You're ignoring the cranial mass on the forehead and back of the head, so your drawing looks long and almost cylinder like. If you look at the back of the head (look around the ear area) Your guy doesnt have any flesh to help attach his head onto his neck. Makes the ear look like its floating. The forehead has a small fleshy bulge on the crown area of the forehead (think the sweet spot where you would headbutt somebody) Without it your guy looks sorta slopped headed.

[Anonymous No.1895594]

>>1895487
Though you portray a good sense of body mass, the face is all fugly and weak, its lost to the chaos of your lines. The cross hatching is messy and distracts the eye from the overall subject. Try to practice smoothing out your hatching. Also get a better white, the soft chalk(?) doesnt seem to work with the hardlines of your pen. Try a white gel pen.

The features of the face almost seem to be melting and sliding down the head shape, this is no good since the face is where the eye will land first. Put more effort in accuracy.

Also your date is wrong, Not only are you using the inferior dd/mm/yy European standard. Its only 2014 (*you seriously had me double checking the year*)

[Anonymous No.1895597]

i call it 'debilitating autism'
please be nice i cant handle criticism thanks

[Anonymous No.1895605]

>>1895597
>cant handle criticism
may i ask you then what are you doing here,son?

[Anonymous No.1895623]

>>1895605
shitposting my crappy pictures

[Anonymous No.1895634]

>>1895623
Contrast is desperately needed. Experiment with values.

[Anonymous No.1895637]

>>1895634
*does a fat shit all over your chest as a way of saying thank you*

[Anonymous No.1895640]

What's a good book to read for studying industrial design?

[Anonymous No.1895641]

>>1895640
Feng Zhu book of the life of an Asian with a dream

[Anonymous No.1895643]

>>1895301
>I'm going to impose my tastes on you

Allow him to do what ever he likes, if he wants to over render so be it. Focus on your art skills

[Anonymous No.1895644]

>>1895641
Is it free to download?

[Anonymous No.1895687]

[Anonymous No.1895732]

>>1895644
torrent sites son

[Anonymous No.1895831]

>>1895301
man, "overrender" is why i want to paint like them, it's the best part. i don't know how they do it.

[Anonymous No.1895840]

What Chinese people are we talking about here?

[Anonymous No.1895849]

>>1895840
doesn't matter, they're all the same

[Anonymous No.1895859]

These should be renamed 'coward threads'

[Anonymous No.1895862]

>>1895831
>I don't know how they do it

Aside from the skill they have from practice I'm pretty sure they tank a shit ton of time in their paintings the discipline that is only know to asia.

I do wonder how they do not procrastinate and learn quickly as well. You're well on your way though, that's the best study of the statue I've seen so far

[Anonymous No.1895865]

>>1895849
I am Chinese, and I am terrible at art, hence why I am here?

[Anonymous No.1895875]

>>1895865
you probably have a mixed blood in your family, that's the only explanation.

[Anonymous No.1895901]

>>1895572
Why is that head absurdly big?

[Anonymous No.1895905]

pls offer some crit on my figures

[Anonymous No.1895909]

>>1895905
Use less lines, jesus christ

[Anonymous No.1895928]

>>1895909
I know, its a chick scratch mess. My line confidence is non existent.

[Anonymous No.1895934]

Drew for the first time in 3 years. I know the perspective is bad. Any other critics, tips, or whatever?

[Anonymous No.1895942]

>>1895905
watch your proportions, they are way off. on the figure on the right its top right arm is too long. its bottom left arm has the same problem. the legs look huge. same thing with the figure on the left, the proportions are way off. Work on the length of the arms and legs relative to the body. the poses arent too bad though.

[Anonymous No.1895955]

>>1895934
Learn perspective. Look up the books by Scott Robertson.

[Anonymous No.1895956]

>>1895955
LOok up books by Scott Roberson. Lmao that's your crit?

[Anonymous No.1895959]

>>1895955
Thanks for the tip, Looking at his stuff now.

[Anonymous No.1895960]

Does anyone no some good drawing books or resources, I tried Drawing on The Right Side, but it drove me up a wall with all its bullshit. (already know loomis)
>>1895942
Thank you based anon, will take this knowledge and apply it.

[Anonymous No.1895964]

>>1895960
Keys to Drawing is the better alternative.

[Anonymous No.1895968]

>>1895964
ight thanks

[Anonymous No.1895982]

>>1895964
>Keys to Drawing
Where dat ebook dl

[Anonymous No.1895998]

>>1895982
Google

[Anonymous No.1896017]

>>1895959
Scot Robbs info will be more valuable once you know more of the basics, his drawing book is pretty narrowed down to perspective/constructive techniques and not much else.

[Anonymous No.1896018]

>>1895998
I don't have google installed.

[Anonymous No.1896019]

>>1896017
Can we get like a book read order for this stuff? Everything is getting confusing with the 10+ book recommendations.

[Anonymous No.1896023]

>>1896019
For basics you have guys like Loomis, Vilppu, Bettu Eswards, and Bert Dodson. Considerable time with any of these folks and you should be able to determine for yourself what you need next

the sticky should have a little something tol

[Anonymous No.1896033]

>>1895594
Woah, thanks anon, ur picrel is gonna be really helpful. I'm using white gel pen(ballpoint), gonna try acrylic one.
date says 20 Nov 2014, what the hell anon

[Anonymous No.1896034]

when you draw in your sketchbook / on your tablet, is it lying on a flat surface or do you position your sketchbook at an angle?

[Anonymous No.1896038]

>>1896034
dosent matter as long as i get the drawing down

naturally you want stability for detailed stuff though

[Anonymous No.1896055]

>>1896038
>doesn't matter

It matters a lot when drawing traditionally. I remember almost all my early stuff where lopsided because of the angle I was drawing from, when I got a tablet, it "magically" went away.

[Anonymous No.1896056]

Hey /ic/, I got some of Bridgman's books recently, really enjoying constructive anatomy but I get the most fun out of his book of a hundred hands. I'm doing some 'studies' from this book which are enjoyable and gratifying but are they beneficial or just self serving? I feel like I should probably spend more time learning the strict anatomy of the hand..
(1/2)

[Anonymous No.1896059]

>>1896055
Of course you want your stuff angled right when formally drawing

i thought dude was talking about simply sketching ideas down

[Anonymous No.1896060]

>>1896056
Fuuuck classic newfag with un-rotated images, well this is my first post, least I didn't make a new thread riight? Second question, rotating images? They're the right way up in the camera roll...

[Anonymous No.1896068]

re-uploaded with rotation

[Anonymous No.1896070]

[Anonymous No.1896073]

>>1895956
There's nothing to critique. The best thing he could do now is to learn and implement the fundamentals which he is obviously lacking.

[Anonymous No.1896085]

Need Critique,

I feel I messed up the nose real bad and shit. Redline pls.

[Anonymous No.1896099]

>>1896060
Hey anon, maybe this will help >>1893109

[Anonymous No.1896126]

>>1896099
Excellent thanks mate!

[Anonymous No.1896251]

>>1895901
because I dont notice these things and thats why I post things here for you to point out. Thats generally the point of this thread.

[Anonymous No.1896253]

did these tonight, heh. Just dusting off after 3 month break, finally feeling some traction.

[Anonymous No.1896256]

>>1894976
i like you muscle elfs

[Anonymous No.1896265]

>>1895572
A lot of places have inexpensive life drawing classes (just the cost of the model split through everyone attending), if you're fine with one without a teacher.
You could also check out museums and draw statues or cool dead animals - the most important part of life drawing is to learn to translate 3d shapes into a 2d drawing, not necessarily to draw a living person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_M_lZ1ev4M&list=UUTIoOLzT1jbxAcPW99xn0zQ

[Anonymous No.1896270]

I've started going through Hampton's book and I've improved a lot, but I feel like I really can't feel the forms at all. What am I doing wrong?

Trying to draw this from different angles makes me frustrated as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1896273]

>>1895831
Jesus Christ, that's good. Would you mind telling me how you do studies? I love the way you did it.

[Anonymous No.1896278]

>>1896056
No, it's good. What you should do is try to draw Bridgman hands from imagination. Learn to process the forms like Bridgman does.

You could also render out the hands in value, because it's easy to get distracted by his stroke calligraphy and not understand the structure underneath. By doing this you are thinking more, and understanding more

[Anonymous No.1896288]

>>1896270
Its not like that's an easy task you're asking to do. You need to understand what each form is doing in space and be able to translate that, which is obviously difficult.

There's nothing wrong with going backwards to the basics. Go back to forms and connections and push yourself to a higher degree of perception and skill in manipulation.

When an intermediate goes back to the basics they understand the beauty of it. They have an appreciation of it beyond the beginners' and can find new and challenging ways to practice them.This is advice that anybody can benefit from.

[Anonymous No.1896330]

>go to sticky
>try to do upside down picasso shit
>incredibly bad results
>instantly turned off by drawing
I think I'll do calligraphy instead.

[Anonymous No.1896360]

I sopped drawing less or more a month ago due to slump, life crap and a mourning, and now I can't manage to draw again. I feel so confused, its like if I don't know anymore what I like and what I don't
help me please.

[Anonymous No.1896364]

>>1896330
man up and study

[Anonymous No.1896375]

>>1895982
Here: https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

All the art books you'll probably ever need.

[Anonymous No.1896389]

Are my gestures ok? 2 minute ones

[Anonymous No.1896390]

>>1896389
Your gestures are really stiff. You're trying to find contours more than you're trying to find motion; focus on the rhythm of the figure, not the way it looks. What it does, the action.

I recommend watching Proko's videos on gesture.

[Anonymous No.1896440]

>>1896390
I've watched it, and besides that "use only i,c,s" thingy, I thought im doing what he said. I don't get it

[Anonymous No.1896456]

>>1896440

You're not doing what he said at all. You're following the contours, and you're following them at an early stage to boot. Your gestures look flat and stiff because you're not feeling the motion and the forms.

This may sound counter-intuitive, but try 30 second poses instead. Even if you feel you've got no time to, try harder until you manage to do it before the time limit expires. Focus on getting the big picture down as quick as possible using as few lines as possible.

I also suggest reading Perspective Made Easy, as well as Fun With A Pencil. Both will help you with forms.

[Anonymous No.1896458]

>>1896440
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8VO-JQCy3HgZ0U3QkVvVm4wREE&usp=sharing
scroll down to vilppus drawing manual, download, grind.

[Anonymous No.1896467]

>>1896456
Actually, I swiched to 2 min ones after watching proko's video, before then i used to do 30 sec ones, here, some of them.
Gonna get both of these books on christmas day, along with keys to drawing and some more,
>>1896458
Thank you tho

[Anonymous No.1896490]

niggers, is it still easy to learn relatively speaking, by only using vilppu's drawing manual? I live in a third world jungle playground and the internet is really slow here, making torrenting vilppu's videos a living nightmare.

[Anonymous No.1896507]

>>1896490
he is pretty dang good. If you get through them all you won't be disappointed with your progress.

[Anonymous No.1896575]

This question could be pretty stupid but whatever.

Hey /ic/. I don't really want you to ask if I practice every picture right but this one is important. Should i draw only once or every one even more? I don't really know if it's necessary and yea i know this pose pretty simple but it shows how the drawing average look like.

[Anonymous No.1896578]

>>1896068

Wow, this is good.

[Anonymous No.1896614]

On Loomis' book Fun with a Pencil, on Page 31 the title saying "Don't miss this page!" and it's showing you about combing blocks with your circle face, how come example 4 has a ? and ! mark? The face itself doesn't look surprised or anything.

[Anonymous No.1896621]

Did this exercise in school

[Anonymous No.1896672]

>>1896490
you can get by with his books

just pay extra, extra close attention to the text

[Anonymous No.1896723]

>>1896575
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFfSl-EBfI

[Anonymous No.1896724]

Just started drawing for the first time for about 4 days now, found out I was ok at it. Anyway do you guys have any tips on making the a sketch/line art look better ? I'm already sketching with a 2b pencil and then doing the hard lines with 4b. Any advice is welcome.

[Anonymous No.1896800]

painting is amazingly fun i can't believe i haven't tried this more often
will probably finish tomorrow

[Anonymous No.1896832]

Be gentle senpai

[Anonymous No.1896834]

>>1896723
sycra is best girl

[Anonymous No.1896973]

>>1896723
THX anon. I will habe a look in that.

[Anonymous No.1896974]

>>1896973
Fuck my smartphone

[Anonymous No.1897016]

veminem

[Anonymous No.1897090]

>>1896832

Read the sticky

[Anonymous No.1897094]

>>1896832

Blizzard quality.

[Anonymous No.1897149]

>>1896832
What you got here is a case of symbol drawing. You drawing what you think you see not what would actually be there. Brush up on basics, then move onto copying photo references don't stop until you can replicate WHAT YOU SEE in the photo without the photo.

[Anonymous No.1897185]

Is there any way to improve at still life drawing, besides practicing? Book, tuts or whatever

[Anonymous No.1897186]

Still trying some Loomis and I'm not gitting gud in hours of practice. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.1897206]

>>1897186
>hours of practice
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahaha. Hours. Try days, weeks, months.
Who measures in hours? Failures, that's who.

[Anonymous No.1897208]

>>1897185
Read the sticky, your most apparent problem is the lack of perspective

>>1896832
>>1896724
what you guys are doing is symbol drawing as the other anons already mentioned, learn perspective anatomy and construction

>>1896575
continue drawing, if it bores you try different angles of the same thing

>>1896085
read loomis' portrait drawing book

>>1896068
>>1896070
might just be me since I haven't tried drawing hands yet but the thumb seems a bit skinny and/or short

I really love the toned paper + white outline though

>>1895928
youtube dynamic sketching with peter han

>>1896800
I'd stick with b/w if I were you nad maybe start with a light drawing of a lay-in, although the thumbnail looks decent

[Anonymous No.1897224]

>>1897208

>>1896085
here

You mean heads and hands, right?
Ive already been through that. Been grinding a bit on faces. I still feel its pretty ugly compared to what loomis can do.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/f/f0/Th105Alice.png
I tried to do a somewhat realistic version but I still think mine is bad and I should feel bad for making it.
Eyes, chin, its all fucked up. I tried drawing it based on a simplified skull very much like Loomis...
And I wanted to draw nice women...

[Anonymous No.1897238]

>>1897224
Yes, I mean the head and hands book

For starters you're still symbol drawing the features (look at page 50 and 53 and compare)

Some pointers:
- the angle from where the jaw starts and how iit connects to the lower part of the jaw/chin plays a huge role on the overall aesthetic
- chin size / pointiness
- length of the head
- think about the protrusion of the nose and mouth, your placement seems off

Just stop working on a single piece and grind out a lot of heads to get a feel for the shape

[Anonymous No.1897249]

>>1897238

>For starters you're still symbol drawing the features (look at page 50 and 53 and compare)

I can see what you mean, can you redline?
I seriously have trouble doing eyes and I consistently have this problem when I do faces. I always end up doing symbol drawing of some sort.

This is my construction lines (The shoulders and chest I pulled out of my ass for posterity.) and the lineart. If I cared to fix this, how would I?

[Anonymous No.1897254]

How do you know when you've stepped outside of Symbol Drawing?

Here's two drawings I did from the Loomis' Fun with a Pencil exercise. Looking bad?

[Anonymous No.1897256]

>>1897254
Drawing by not using symbols is just drawing what you see in front of you. I don't see why this is so complicated. It's not a different mode of thinking that can only be achieved in the hyperbolic time chamber, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.1897259]

>>1897256

Oh okay, I just thought Symbol Drawing implied something else. I had no idea, I'm sorry!

[Anonymous No.1897282]

>>1897249
take it with a grain of salt, I'm still strugging with feature placement myself

not sure if it helps

[Anonymous No.1897290]

>>1897208
832 here, I'm not used to drawing people yet. Mostly monsters and shit that I can make look as gnarly and ridiculous as I want. Will take yor advice though.

[Anonymous No.1897297]

>>1897282>>1897249

[Anonymous No.1897310]

>>1897297
that's like one of the worst example pics I've seen

>different angles, species, perspective

[Anonymous No.1897335]

facial feature practice sheet i made for myself

thought I'd share

>inb4 manga style
deal with it

[Anonymous No.1897342]

>>1896723
Pretty useful youtuber. Any more for beginners?

[Akkai No.1897346]

>>1897310

It's still a face though.

[Anonymous No.1897360]

And Im back, Working on eyes.
Trying to get planes into it...
Its still bad btw.

[Anonymous No.1897364]

>>1897360
Ugh, I swear if only faces were as easy to draw as legs, all the rules I have to follow just to draw a fucking face irritate me to no end, but it's for the best. I'll get there.

[Anonymous No.1897374]

>>1897364
>all the rules I have to follow
>>1897360
>nor rules just tools

[Anonymous No.1897378]

>>1897374

How do I even get that good...
Mine is poop compared to your edit.

[Anonymous No.1897391]

>>1891256
http://penciljester.tumblr.com/post/103312233913/some-stuff-from-my-sketchbook

Heres some stuff i did recently, wanna get an idea of where exactly i need to improve, I know i need to but honestly im a bit lost

[Anonymous No.1897392]

>>1897374
>red nose

[Anonymous No.1897395]

>>1897392
why is this wrong if it's just for aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.1897399]

>>1897395
Because it's lazy method draw shadows on the nose.

[Anonymous No.1897402]

>>1897392
>complains about red nose
>picture is in greyscale

[Anonymous No.1897422]

I have had some trouble with figuring out why some ways of things are looked at as if they are bad it is if you are saying only one way is correct

[Anonymous No.1897442]

>>1897335
'preciate it bruh

[Anonymous No.1897444]

>>1897402
zimbly ebin :^))

[Anonymous No.1897458]

>>1897399
but they do?

[Anonymous No.1897509]

trace of loomis faces to get DA FEEL

feel free to retrace guys

I think it helped me

[Anonymous No.1897569]

>>1897509
>tracing

[Anonymous No.1897570]

inb4 symbol drawing.
how should I go about shading? I've always been bad at figuring out how light sources hit shapes.

[Anonymous No.1897652]

>>1897570
nothing?

[Anonymous No.1897695]

Literally my first two sketches where I've really tried. I read the sticky awhile ago but my memory of if has faded. What's the next step? What should I draw next?

And FUCK YOU if you say I suck, it's not like that isn't obvious to everyone.

[Anonymous No.1897699]

>>1897695
Sorry camera sucks cuz my phone is fucked, and for some reason it always uploads pics sideways. But how do I move from 2d to 3d? I tried drawing my coffee cup after the zealot and it was pathetic.

[Anonymous No.1897723]

>>1897695
Pick up keys to drawing by Bert Dodson or Fun with a Pencil by Andrew Loomis. There is a download link for both in PDF format here:>>1896375 personally I prefer Loomis but either or works since both are for beginners.

[Anonymous No.1897727]

>>1897723
thank you

[Anonymous No.1897844]

>>1897569
b8 m8

[Anonymous No.1897897]

Charcoal on white paper. The photo doesn't look very good compared to in person.

[Anonymous No.1897900]

Would it be bad, if I said I use Garrys Mod to get some Gestures?

[Anonymous No.1897910]

>>1897900
A long time ago someone told me to stop using vidya characters as a reference for anatomy. I didn't listen. My view of anatomy actually got worse over time.

Please stop as soon as you can. Use real life models, preferably. Just google gestures, or poses for artists. Anything.

[Anonymous No.1897984]

New >>1897976

[Anonymous No.1899391]

I suck at color