Alternative Art/Stylization General

[Anonymous No.1881546]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"Success comes only with personal effort, aided by whatever knowledge the individual can apply along with the effort. If this were not true, we would be able to do anything in the world simply by reading books."

Previous Thread: >>1876180

A general message to aspiring artists: "Lack of knowledge can be greater torture than the effort of acquiring it. When all is said and done, nature is your best instructor."

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "Post your work fgt"

[Anonymous No.1881556]

>>1881546
How the fuck do I elbow perspective?

[Anonymous No.1881578]

twist me nipples.

[Anonymous No.1881615]

ugh i hate this

[Anonymous No.1881630]

>>1881556
you're overdoing it, you're drawing a knee

move forearm down
simplify

>anatomy how does it work

[Anonymous No.1881631]

>>1881615
it would make a nice halfling boy-prince

[Anonymous No.1881639]

>>1881615
nice rendering.

[Anonymous No.1881697]

>>1881615
When getting confused with some structure or whatever just draw the middle line of the object and it's gonna clear up.
You twisted the legs a bit but it's easily fixable. Also, the knees look a bit too round but I'm sure you're gonna fix that. GL!

[Anonymous No.1881701]

>>1881615
for me, there's always such a disconnect between the body and the face with your work...i think its because the body is rendered a lot more detailed/realistic than the simpler anime face, so it just ends up looking weird.

[Anonymous No.1881710]

>>1881615

[Anonymous No.1881765]

[Anonymous No.1881768]

>>1881765

[Anonymous No.1881795]

How should I approach the drawing books in the OP? What is the best way to get better using them?

[Anonymous No.1881815]

still working.

[Anonymous No.1881823]

>>1881765

There is a slight curve to the models pose and yours does not have this curve. Maybe the big res fooled you.

[Anonymous No.1881825]

>>1881697
>middle line
>doesn't fix manish shoulders
>doesn't fix man arms
>doesn't fix manly legs
>doesn't fix gigantic feet

yeah, do a middle line

[Anonymous No.1881829]

>>1881825
rinfag loves muscles. were you born yesterday ?

[Anonymous No.1881833]

>Love Rin
>Love muscle girls
>Love Rinfag

[Anonymous No.1881835]

>>1881833
Both Rinfag and Wokada know what's good in life.

[Anonymous No.1881844]

>>1881765

Mikufag's faces are getting better looking

[Anonymous No.1881853]

>>1881795
>http://reference.sketchdaily.net/
A-Anyone?

[Anonymous No.1881900]

>>1881853
did you read them yet?

[Anonymous No.1881907]

>>1881765
Mikufag, please watch porn of girls with small breasts. You draw them as if they were miniature versions of bigger breasts, which is just wrong. All breasts are the same at their connection point to the chest, bigger breasts just have more fat and are pushed out more, while smaller breasts are flatter. Alternatively go to a /b/ loli thread and see how they are usually drawn in anime style.

[Anonymous No.1881951]

>>1881825
Dude, I'm just showing him the way of doing muh style properly.
There are some universal rules like 'don't draw a third leg and shit' but other than body anomalies and physical irregularities there is not only one body type in this world. You have to start making the difference between critique and taste obtrusion.

I hope we got this out of the way now.

[Anonymous No.1881976]

>>1881907
you don't like the shrinkray-bad-implants look?

breasts are a 3/4 circle, END OF DISCUSSION

[Anonymous No.1881987]

>>1881976
that's how they are in reference

[Anonymous No.1881994]

>>1881907
How did you know that's exactly what I do a miniature version of bigger breasts, thanks for pointing that out I didn't know.

[Anonymous No.1882019]

[Anonymous No.1882020]

>>1882019

/Users/xinwei/Desktop/1415247251477.jpg

[Anonymous No.1882021]

>>1882020

[Anonymous No.1882035]

>>1882021
thanks xinwei!

[Anonymous No.1882038]

>>1882021
i hate it when people are picky about lines in sketches, especially done with a tablet (non-cintiq). i should also note that it's much easier to draw smoother lines on top of (someone's) sketch. you give terrible critiques, please don't embarrass yourself again.

[Anonymous No.1882039]

>>1882038
The butthurt brigade has arrived

[Anonymous No.1882043]

>>1882038
>especially done with a tablet

let me tell you why that's bullshit

[Anonymous No.1882054]

>>1882021
this is not a very good redline

[Anonymous No.1882063]

Gravity falls is best anime.

Unfortunately can't into water colors. Halp.

[Anonymous No.1882156]

>>1882038
>>1882021
don't disregard him though. he's right, especially on the "draw big" part. it's more important than one might think

[Anonymous No.1882165]

>>1882021
>>1882156
Thanks! I'll try working on a larger canvas tomorrow. Taking note of that stiffness and scratchy lines.

[Anonymous No.1882173]

>>1882021
How come 99% of the time, the people doing redlines are even worse than the ones they are trying to correct? Man, I miss Teal and the quality corrections he did.

[Anonymous No.1882182]

>>1882173
>teal
>quality corrections
i don't think his stuff was any helpful at all. sometimes i think you guys only look at how clean the lines appear when judging redlines. because i don't see how teal is any good at all.
every time i saw his images, i thought "this is all stuff you should know already", and it really is. it's all basic textbook stuff.

whereas >>1882021 at least gives you real sticking points related to your art.
i'd rather want the latter instead of a faggot like teal preaching general stuff he himself can't even do properly.

[Anonymous No.1882187]

>>1882182

[Anonymous No.1882210]

I posted in the beginner thread >>1882201

I really didn't want to do faces, so I've been procrastinating and not doing anon's assignments :(

I'll come back later when I get better or if beginner thread isn't as fruitful as I remember. Stop by and say hello!

[Anonymous No.1882216]

>>1881546

[Anonymous No.1882218]

>>1882216
thats not how you would portray someone litting a cigar. If thats cigar. use reference for it.

[Anonymous No.1882231]

>>1882216
Head looks way too big

[Anonymous No.1882240]

>>1882218
His breather is on his chest
>>1882231
Its a style faggot

[Anonymous No.1882249]

>>1882240
Thanks for the defense.
>>1882231
"stylistic"
>>1882218
Well aware of this. I am an avid smoker. I didn't want to cover his face, which was the entire purpose of the drawing.

[Anonymous No.1882252]

>>1882249
then dont make him hold a cigar at all it looks like someone who never smoked was given a cigar and would awkwardly try to look cool litting it.

[Anonymous No.1882253]

>>1881697
>>1881710
>>1881825

Thank you for the help, I'll keep these things in mind...

[Anonymous No.1882274]

>>1882063
too much paint, you're trying to tempura with watercolor

watercolor is all about less and technique, which is hard to teach in a chan post

so basically you need to learn to watercolor and stop treating it like rustoleum

[Anonymous No.1882275]

>>1882182
>i thought "this is all stuff you should know already"

was there ever a redline that wasn't? I mean it's all out there you should have studied and therefore no one should ever need a redline

there is absolutely no excuse to ever not do a perfect drawing every time, it's just that people are lazy

[Anonymous No.1882307]

[Anonymous No.1882328]

>>1882019
Got a blog? those are super cute!

[Anonymous No.1882329]

>>1882307

[Anonymous No.1882331]

>>1882307
I like this fella

[Anonymous No.1882332]

>>1882331
he's lazy as fuck, but I like him too

[Anonymous No.1882333]

>>1882307
gloves color is too similar to coat

[Anonymous No.1882334]

>>1882333
yeah I think you're right, maybe I should choose a more greyish leather colour

[Anonymous No.1882335]

>>1882329
These are really cute

[Anonymous No.1882338]

>>1882274

So are you saying that I should have painted everything in thinner layers or washes? Any places online that you know of that could help? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.1882347]

>>1881900
>http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8

Yeah, but my question is like...
Should I repeat everything I see in the book or something?

[Anonymous No.1882373]

>>1882038
>>1882173
>>1882054

I don't do digital art. This is why my lines suck ass.

[Anonymous No.1882386]

>>1882063
First off are you using water-colour paper?
Tool are very important in water-colour. Use a brush that can hold water.
Go to youtube and search up water-colour demos to understand techniques like wet-on-wet and wet-on-dry. You still need to lean basics like light and shadow to apply that to water-colour.

[Anonymous No.1882395]

>>1882386

I do know light and shadow, I was planning on adding shadows but decided against it, it was like 1am lol.

I've got watercolor paper and decent watercolors, a step up from generic but a step under professional. The store only had ones from $8, $35, and $120, so I took the middle ground..

[Anonymous No.1882414]

>>1882182
>i don't see how teal is any good at all.
That's because you're a fucking retard.
Redlines must only focus on fundamental mistakes (i.e."basic textbook stuff"), anything else is completely out of place.
Don't be such a jelly sperglord, his advice was legit and his intentions where noble, not to mention that his work is solid, unlike the usual skill-less pr/ic/k giving shit redlines with no artistic analysis whatsoever.
seriously, only the 0033 fag comes close to what teal did, everyone else is just "hurr durr do it like me xD"

[Anonymous No.1882419]

>>1882240
That style sucks.
It just comes off as disproportional. You want a big head, simplify features. It'll come off as iconic.

[Anonymous No.1882422]

>>1882414
>giving shit redlines with no artistic analysis whatsoever.
>"hurr durr do it like me xD"
but that is exactly what teal did

>the 0033 fag
literally who?

[Anonymous No.1882430]

>>1882422
He dosent know 0033

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.1882432]

>>1882430
what?
are you talking about the real 0033? he never posted here. and teal isn't even comparable to him.

[Anonymous No.1882439]

First time trying animu

[Anonymous No.1882440]

>>1882422
>but that is exactly what teal did
bullshit, he only fixed fundamental mistakes, if you believe this nonesense because his redlines where stylized or because his notes told what was wrong and how to fix it, then I don't even.

>>1882430
>>1882432
not the real 0033 dumbasses, the guy that uses the same approach and offers quality redlines.
pic related.

[Anonymous No.1882444]

>>1882440

[Anonymous No.1882445]

>>1882444

[Anonymous No.1882446]

>>1882445

[Anonymous No.1882448]

>>1882444
Your highlights are weird.

[Anonymous No.1882449]

>>1882448
not mine.

[Anonymous No.1882494]

>>1882446

[Anonymous No.1882517]

>>1882494
what are you doing?

[Anonymous No.1882518]

>>1882517
he's right

[Anonymous No.1882524]

>>1882518
>>1882517
fucking rekt, i dont even draw or know shit about art but i can do a redline better than you .. just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.1882531]

>>1882524

you what dude?

[Anonymous No.1882536]

>>1882531

ignorant AND stupid are you ?

[Anonymous No.1882642]

>>1882338
I don't, I learned back when there wasn't an online.

Watching my instructor tear up a beautiful scene he'd been working on for a week because he got one bit too dark was a real lesson.

[Anonymous No.1882644]

>>1882347
if it says in the book "do this exercise" then yes. if it's just, like, an anatomy book then either just note it for reference or use it for your model. it really depends on how you learn, I can study anatomy/positions and later I can reproduce them (there is a muscle there, attaches like that; a knee bent like this would have that shape) but I couldn't tell you where I saw it.

I'd specifically look for exercises until you look at the exercises and go "this shit is too basic!" and then look for anatomy illustrations to render etc.

I'd have to see your work to give more guidance... but hell you're looking at the books, that's like 90% of the usual battle!

[Anonymous No.1882648]

>>1882414
>giant chin
>symbol nose
>misplaced ears
>unrealistic neck
>face proprotions
>missing head top
>saturation and brightness of figure doesn't match atmosphere
>rain is shit tier 1-dimension
>fabric appears flat and listless
>no shadows or shade
>beard totally unrealistic

step it up /ic/ this is really shit tier work

[Anonymous No.1882651]

>>1882439
>cute, would bang

neck doesn't line up with spine
shoulders are wackado (hard to tell with the fabric something is jacked besides the neck/spine)
neck should hit head further back
hand looks awkward

It seems like you should really construct the upper torso without the hoodie

apart from that it's got some real nice base, should be cute

[Anonymous No.1882663]

What is wrong with this ?

[Anonymous No.1882669]

>>1882663
Everything. Read Loomis to get a basic understanding of how the head works.

There's no point giving you a critique at this stage. Just study the basics and go from there.

[Anonymous No.1882673]

>>1882669

AYYY LMAO READ LOOMIS

fucking troll cunt fuck off

[Anonymous No.1882682]

>>1882673
Loomis happens to have the easiest most beginner friendly book on how to draw the head. I don't really give a fuck what you study, Bridgman, Loomis, Hampton, Vilppu, some plastic skull from life, just study the fucking basics of how a human head works. Otherwise you will never be able to draw anything that isn't a complete and utter abomination like that shit you posted above.

[Anonymous No.1882692]

>>1882682
why is it an abomination

[Anonymous No.1882695]

>>1882692
because it looks like your mother kinda

[Anonymous No.1882696]

>>1882695
120 degree burn

[Anonymous No.1882697]

>>1882648

[Anonymous No.1882699]

need advice on sweater texture rendering and general composition, background colors and how to light the hallway. i don't know what to do with the eyes, i might leave them as is and i may or may not want to render the tears more idk.

[Anonymous No.1882701]

>>1882699
Fucking love it.
Keep the eyes, they work to cohesively hold the style on the knives, wrinkles and hair/outlines.
Don't add too much more to the sweater, it's not the focal point.
Definately make the peak of the head more uniform (but still a little bumpy, just like the jaw/chin) and maybe make the transition to the hair a tiny bit smoother without rendering too much.
Another personal note would be to add some more shine/warmth to the bulb of the nose. Not enough to make it tumblr tier, just enough to stop it receding like it is.

Please don't overwork this, I think it looks really strong.

[Anonymous No.1882710]

did a study of an Ico screenshot, might do some more. Was a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.1882722]

>>1882710
>While reading Fun with a Pencil, on page 18, it tells you about the axis of the ball and where to find it on the face. Okay, make sense what it says, but then it advises "Use a compass or a coin, if you wish, until you get the idea."

idk what the actual screen looks like but her face looks pretty off, pupils aren't the same size

[Anonymous No.1882746]

>>1882669
>>1882682
>>1882695

>Posted same shitty pic in the beginner thread.
>You people instantly took the bait

Read this: >>1882595

[Anonymous No.1882769]

moon boy

[Anonymous No.1882783]

>>1882769
style aside it's terribly flat

[Anonymous No.1882807]

>>1882524

I don't think you know what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.1882823]

Can someone redline this please? I need to work on my consistency

[Anonymous No.1882828]

>>1882823
i think it's pretty consistent

[Anonymous No.1882836]

>>1882783
yes maybe i could take it further

[Anonymous No.1882863]

>>1882673
IF YOU WOULD OBJECTIVLY READ THE GODDAMN STICKY, IT WOULDNT BE A FUCKING MEME TO YOU, IT WOULD BE ACTUAL, LITTERAL ADVICE.
BUT YOU ARE BEING A VISCOUS FLAPPING CUNT ABOUT IT, AND THUS DEGRADE HELP TO A LEVEL OF UNWARRANTED PITY, INFUSED WITH A LEVEL OF PRIDE THAT SHOULD NOT EXIST .

[Anonymous No.1882865]

>>1882863
>sticky
lmao

[Anonymous No.1882866]

>dick sucking lips
>mole
You are doing God's work anon

[Anonymous No.1882867]

>>1882823

That screen tone is horrendous.

[Anonymous No.1882870]

>>1882865
Its the first goddamn thread.
Why would /ic/ be the first board on 4chan you visit?

[Anonymous No.1882872]

>>1882870

I've had my fill on the sticky meme, you can try trolling somebody else with it though.

[Anonymous No.1882996]

>>1882872

[Anonymous No.1882997]

>>1882872
only retards unable to properly use the resources think the sticky is nothing but le epic meme ruse.
>and that's why they never progress

[Anonymous No.1883012]

>>1881546
Sketch phase. I think comp/values/gesture work in this one.

[Anonymous No.1883087]

>>1882699
stop drawing ugly things.

[Anonymous No.1883089]

>>1882997
i studied sticky for 4 months and after all that i can say its completly useless. i found my own methods and better resources, but maybe i wouldnt find them if i didnt do all those sticky stuff.

[Anonymous No.1883097]

>>1883089
I can guarantee you didn't otherwise you would've realized how dumb this sounds

[Anonymous No.1883110]

>>1883097

I can guarantee you are a retard troll.

[Anonymous No.1883115]

>>1883110
In all seriousness can you show us some of your work so we can see how well not following the sticky has worked for you?

[Anonymous No.1883118]

finished this at school, any critiques or advices ?

[Anonymous No.1883121]

>>1883115

for you no

[Anonymous No.1883123]

>>1883118

Looks nice dude but you can lay up a bit on the textures on his elbow imo.

[Anonymous No.1883125]

>>1883118
Pretty solid overall. Instead of nitpicking small details, I'll comment that the overall composition can be better. The dog has me looking back and forth to the man and it instead of focusing on the picture as a whole. Our eyes naturally follow the direction that other heads are turned towards and that dog's head points to nowhere straight out the picture. I also find the dog's emotion doesn't fit well either without context. If this was cropped out of a bigger scene or will be used in one, then ignore what I've said.

[Anonymous No.1883128]

>>1883125
thought that i could make a contrast between the happy old man and grumpy dog, like if he was barking against a cat and doesn't give a fuck about the oldman. But no, it wasn't cropped out a scene or i will not make one, so yeah, i see what you mean.
thanks the critiques !

[Anonymous No.1883129]

>>1883128
the dog dosent look grumpy.

[Anonymous No.1883137]

>>1883128
>thought that i could make a contrast...
That's what I thought at first as to why the dog was facing the other way. So the intent was at least able to get through (albeit via analysis from an artist, not the average viewer). For the (usual) strong composition featuring contrasting elements, the contrast comes from not only how the elements differ from each other, but how they interact with one another in the scene as well. Keeping that in mind when planning will improve many similar compositions in the future.

[Anonymous No.1883146]

>>1883128
I like the old man , but the dog doesnt look grumpy, it looks scared. Does the man fuck it when no ones looking ?

[Anonymous No.1883152]

>>1883146

[Anonymous No.1883158]

>>1883146
>>1883152
oh my god
i can't stop laughing

[Anonymous No.1883165]

>>1881765
Can you post an image from when you first came to /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1883172]

>>1883165
It's about the same as this, except slightly worse.

[Anonymous No.1883173]

>>1883118
>advices
Where are you from? Sorry to be OTT
People always say 'advices' on here but in England it doesn't make sense and 'advice' doesn't get pluralised. I'm just curious.

The further away eye looks a bit too high, as does that part of his head.

[Anonymous No.1883179]

>>1883089
>i studied sticky for 4 months

The sticky is mostly a list of books that are recommended or sometimes even mandatory reading by almost any art school, university or atelier in the world. Learning the basics of figure drawing, perspective and construction is the foundation for anything within representational art and most of those books are doing an excellent job teaching that.

If you seriously believe that the teachings of the likes of Vilppu, Bridgman, Loomis, Hampton and co are completely useless, then there is something wrong with your brain and you will never improve, no matter what you do.

[Anonymous No.1883181]

>>1883165

[Anonymous No.1883182]

>>1881765
do you even do studies? You're still in the animu phase. It's been couple of years man.

[Anonymous No.1883183]

>>1883121
So you're just being bitter and prideful for the sake of being bitter and prideful

Just stay in /v/

[Anonymous No.1883187]

>>1883179
but i started to improve when i stoped studing crapton craptu and crapmiss. I do studies like still lifes and stuff tho.

[Anonymous No.1883188]

>>1883179
*adjusts glasses*
>and you will never improve, no matter what you do.

I love it when people end their posts with these shotgun last minute thoughts.

[Anonymous No.1883192]

>>1883183

I don't even play video games besides maybe a few browser flash games.

[Anonymous No.1883196]

>>1883187
You're still applying the fundamentals they all teach in great length and detail you nignog.

[Anonymous No.1883198]

>>1883196
maybe.

[Anonymous No.1883204]

>>1883173
i'm french

[Anonymous No.1883208]

>>1883182

[Anonymous No.1883209]

>>1883208

[Anonymous No.1883213]

>>1883188
As I said, the books in the sticky teach the fundamentals of perspective, figure drawing and construction. If a person were to find that "completely useless", it would literally be impossible for them to get better at representational art.

I wasn't saying that as a last minute insult to make the guy feel bad, it's simply the truth.

[Anonymous No.1883218]

>>1883192

that sounds pretty much like /v/ though

[Anonymous No.1883226]

>>1883218

Well you would know since you browse that board.

[Anonymous No.1883236]

An update

[Anonymous No.1883246]

>>1883226

I used to around 09-10 but I traded it for here, quit going there completely around the time of the board split and /mlp/

/ic/ was my refuge from /v/ and I guess a lot of other people too that's why we were so quick to assimilate, learn the board culture and ward off newer crossboarders.

[Anonymous No.1883251]

>>1883208
hey anon why dont you let me help you?

a couple of minutes with the lasso tool and now it looks okayish

[Anonymous No.1883252]

>>1883208
>>1883251
godammit i always forget to flip back

[Anonymous No.1883253]

>>1883246

So you are underage? That explains it.

[Anonymous No.1883263]

>>1883252
Hey thanks for that I'll go back and work with that one after I am done fighting with this one

[Anonymous No.1883264]

>>1883263

[Anonymous No.1883272]

>>1883264
>dat t-rex mode

[Anonymous No.1883321]

Disregard that one is partially painted and the other isn't, but which proportions are more appealing and how can I make them more appealing? I'm trying to figure out how to I suppose "cartoonize" designs to make them more distinct. Big upper body, little legs for the tanky guy, etc, but I have no idea if I'm doing it right.

I need to make designs for 10 or so characters for a friend's rpg and I really hate for them to all look like the same guy wearing different outfits. Is there something I can read specifically related to non-realistic/exaggerated proportions?

[Anonymous No.1883335]

>>1883272
>wuts foreshortening

[Anonymous No.1883350]

>>1883263
work on your gestures.

[Anonymous No.1883355]

>>1883263
Thats the thing man, you shouldnt be fighting
just enjoy it
and dont copy 1:1, try to styilize it otherwise it will look weird
im starting to take this personal mikufag

[Anonymous No.1883358]

>>1883321

character mentor

[Anonymous No.1883362]

[Anonymous No.1883366]

>>1883355
>and dont copy 1:1, try to styilize it otherwise it will look weird

That's the thing I keep struggling with its like I have a disconnect sort of like what with rinfag's faces and his figures but mine is more with proportion from what I see in the reference I have a hard time simplifying things from reference. Thanks again

[Anonymous No.1883376]

>>1883321
just keep pushing the proportions
its not that hard
you could alsosee other artists work an study how they proportionate their characters
i think many mobile games have this kind of style so check them out

[Anonymous No.1883396]

>>1883358
I will definitely check that out, thanks.

>>1883376
Playing things too safe has always been a bit of a problem for me. I was nervous about going too far and winding up looking goofy, but wow that made a world of difference. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.1883402]

>>1883396
he literaly changed nothing

[Anonymous No.1883409]

>>1883402
In that case you are literally blind.

[Anonymous No.1883416]

>>1883409
literaly the same picture

[Anonymous No.1883417]

>>1883402
I was stuck inside a comfort zone and was having trouble thinking past it. He pushed the proportions past where I thought they should go and showed me it could work. Maybe you don't find it helpful, but I do.

Also he added another set of "abs" and made me realize how much better that lowest ring of armor around his waist looks as a belt instead of some weird extension of his obliques.

[Anonymous No.1883420]

>>1882866
You forgot to reply to him hun>>1882823

[Anonymous No.1883434]

>>1883416
You literally don't know what the word literally means or you are literally blind.

[Anonymous No.1883435]

[Anonymous No.1883442]

[Anonymous No.1883451]

>>1883442
finish it

[Anonymous No.1883464]

is this correct ?

[Anonymous No.1883472]

>>1883464
no, study 0033.

[Anonymous No.1883473]

>>1883464

before worrying about that i'd be more concerned about learning proper face construction. you still need some work.

[Anonymous No.1883478]

>>1883473
>>1883472

what is wrong with it ? I know its ugly but the anatomy + angles are correct right ?

[Anonymous No.1883487]

>>1883478
the distance between eyes is one eye. that for starters.

[Anonymous No.1883488]

>>1883487
but thats how far apart the eyes are on the model skull i have

[Anonymous No.1883490]

>>1883488
eye socket =/= size of eye. the eyeball sits in the socket, and then eyelids cover up a lot of it.

[Anonymous No.1883497]

>>1883490

oh ok . thank you. i will incorporate what i have learnt in my next piece. thank you master

[Anonymous No.1883499]

>>1883487

is this better ?

[Anonymous No.1883500]

>>1883499
Go draw from fun with a pencil, take notes on perspective and work with the forms you are introduced from fun with a pencil.

[Anonymous No.1883505]

>>1883500

i read that book

its stupid

[Anonymous No.1883508]

>>1883505

blasphemy

[Anonymous No.1883516]

>>1883505
You draw from the book I didn't say read from it now go practice those blooks you faggot.

[Anonymous No.1883528]

>>1881907
>>1881976
>>1881987
>>1881994
porn=/=small breasts in tha reel wurl.

Porn, at least when it comes to small breasts, tends to stick to precisely one type of "breast shape" (not sure how to phrase it). What mikufag draws, and what >>1881907 describes are perfectly viable breasts, and rather common. The only thing that MIGHT change that and make them "need" to be more flat is the fact that she almost appears to be leaning back, which stretches breast tissue, making them appear more flat and closer to the chest, at least in girls who are small-average sized. (Though the reference appears to just be sitting up straight..)

Pictured: Itty bitty tubular titties from the Normal Breast Gallery. This is a pretty average shape, and I've personally seen breasts in this shape both larger and smaller than the ones pictured, and larger and smaller than mikufag has drawn them.

[Anonymous No.1883531]

>>1883528
Oh, and as a follow up, many girls who do have the sort of breasts these anons are describing (perfect 3/4th circles placed on), look very much like the picture posted if the subject has poor posture, is hunched over, lying down on their stomachs (if there were no bed there), on their hands and knees, and especially on their elbows and knees assuming the arms go "above" their shoulders.

[Anonymous No.1883552]

>>1883528
>inb4virginlel

It's strange you think the nipples would be dead center but they actually are offset finally it makes sense as to why everyone kept saying practice drawing ellipses in perspective because you're going to keep doing it no matter what you draw and it's there.

[Anonymous No.1883563]

First drawing in months, young guy and old guy. same guy though. that's a tattoo, not stitches btw...

[Anonymous No.1883565]

>>1883563
Second has weird posture, looks like he's weaving from a punch

[Anonymous No.1883581]

>>1883563

>the face to the right

tumblr_feminist+kanye_west+hitler_hybrid/10

Either make all of him steeped in deep shadow or don't make a shadow 'stache.

[Anonymous No.1883599]

There is no animation thread And I don't want to make one so i'll post this here. These are the thumbs for the animation i'm working on. Any suggestions.

[Anonymous No.1883617]

uguu~~

[Anonymous No.1883619]

>>1883599
finish it

[Anonymous No.1883625]

>>1883617
key ute

[Anonymous No.1883684]

changed the last two

[Anonymous No.1883685]

>>1883619
will do
Does anyone have any tips on how to go about getting audio for this? I don't even know how i'm going to get 'pew' sounds

[Anonymous No.1883696]

Does anyone know if there are any good "how to draw manga" books? Specifically by Japanese authors but in English? The ones I own are in pic related. I know the Katy Coope ones are shit, the Christopher Hart one is slightly better, and the other one is pretty good I think. Still... I feel like one by an actual Japanese person might be better, like more authentic if that makes sense. idk if that's racist or something. also, sorry if this is not the right place to ask. it seemed to make the most sense. I already checked the books link in the sticky btw, nothing there seems to be what I'm looking for.

[Anonymous No.1883700]

>>1883696
>how to draw mango books
you don't need that shit
you just need to be able to draw real life, or atleast know the idea/anatomy
then study other styles and develop your own and viola, you got it.

but if you really want good how to draw manga books, check out sad panda (aka exhentai if I need to spoonfeed you because you seem extremely new). I don't have the link but I remember seeing a few how to draw manga made by japs there
also the pinterest in OP's has some good stylized tutorials

[Anonymous No.1883706]

>>1883696

i have one that might fit your criteria, but it's in moonrunes. you wanna have a look anyway, i can upload it. pic related.

tbh though, you should be focused on learning basic drawing fundamentals more than anything else. if you enjoy certain aesthetics from manga you can incorporate that into your drawings through study of artists you like and stuff.

[Anonymous No.1883713]

>>1883696
Avoid Chris Hart and Katy Coope they are trash. The girl was 16 or so when she wrote the 1st book and at the time I was impressed but now I realise how bad it is for someone so inexperienced to get a book published

pic related

[Anonymous No.1883718]

>>1883713
Oh dear...

[Anonymous No.1883722]

do you guys like my animation ?

[Anonymous No.1883727]

>>1883722
Oh boy, it's almost 2 cute for words.

[Anonymous No.1883731]

Strange to see Loomis hate in here from those previous posters. Why the hate? I just started reading up on that book, and I think it's really neat. It's opening my eyes a lot more as to how to draw the human head.

[Anonymous No.1883733]

>>1883731
Dude, you need to apply what you've learned from the book to everything, not only the head, everything, don't you see? That's the point of this book, construction, basic shapes, form.

[Anonymous No.1883734]

>>1883713
it so good now

[Anonymous No.1883735]

>>1883713
god damn it, was it a money-laundering scheme or something?

[Anonymous No.1883739]

>>1883722
heh yes

[Anonymous No.1883741]

is it true that you have to be able to draw real people first before you can stylize? or am I just making things complicated than it should be?

[Anonymous No.1883742]

I never understood character faces in animu. In this image, the cheek bone seems awful large. That, or perhaps I'm just looking at it wrong, but I notice this in most animu pictures.

[Anonymous No.1883743]

>>1883741

understanding basic realistic proportions enables you to do better stylization. this shouldn't prevent you from having fun and stylizing at the same time, but trust me, it does make a difference.

[Anonymous No.1883744]

>>1883742
it's puffy cheeks, and usually nonexistent cheekbones.

[Anonymous No.1883750]

>>1883741
"you have to know the rules before you can break them"

[Anonymous No.1883757]

>>1883741
Think about it this way, imagine gitting gud at drawing is like going from a couch potato to a /fit/izen.

Say you wanna be an athlete, you first gotta lose weight and build up strength and stamina to truly excel at whatever sport or event you wanna participate inI the same applies to drawing. You gotta have a strong skill set and foundation to build off of to truly excel at exaggerating and stylizing.

[Anonymous No.1883821]

>>1883528
>>1883531
Nigga he's drawing a perfect animu tummy, perfect everything (well except the proportions) and there you go and tell him to draw a realistic breast. You are right, that is how breasts look in real life, but mikufag already is having a hard time stylizing.

[Anonymous No.1883823]

>>1883722
tween it if you're not lazy. Otherwise it's great

[Anonymous No.1883854]

[Anonymous No.1883864]

>>1883742
there is no real fondation on anime faces, I think. the main goal is for it to be "cute" while still looking human like or something like that in pictures like yours.

[Anonymous No.1883884]

>>1883321
Try incorporating different postures in the characters too?

[Anonymous No.1883893]

Drew this in MS paint with my mouse. I need help with the anatomy. I can never get the shoulders right when I sketch stuff.

[Anonymous No.1883894]

>>1883528
Are you a woman trying to feel better about yourself? Because I consider those boobs below average and I most often see perky small boobs on fit girls and more saggy one with big nips on chubs. There's also loads of skinny girls who barely have boobs.
Just to say, the ref you post is something I rarely see IRL
And the real shape can change completely due to the bra worn.

[Anonymous No.1883960]

>>1883864

What makes animu things cool "cute"? Is there a book that goes more depth in this? I'm not really interested in the whole anime style, but I'd like to understand what makes a drawing cute in such a style.

[Anonymous No.1883983]

>>1883960
Scott McCloud goes over manga a bit in his book Making Comics.

[Anonymous No.1883993]

>>1883893
>Drew this in MS paint with my mouse

there's your first problem.

[Anonymous No.1884011]

>>1883893
Just pick up a God damned pen and paper, we don't do it on a computer because we think it makes our drawings better

[Anonymous No.1884014]

>>1883864
>there is no real foundation on anime faces...
Depending on what you mean, that statement is wrong. A lot behind how the art is created escapes the viewer. There are actually many books that can impart knowledge of how it's done. But they are in Japanese, which contributes to why the knowledge is not as well known outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.1884201]

>>1883960
its the size and distance between features and the stylized shapes of face contours. If you want to know how to animu study good mango artists. see how they handle it.

[Anonymous No.1884243]

>>1883983
>>1884201

Alright, I'll look up Scott McCloud's work. As for what to study for animu and mango, who are good artists to look up? I actually want to learn how to draw cute things :3

[Anonymous No.1884252]

>>1883864
The characters in actual anime need to be drawn from any angle and perspective, so there needs to be a structural foundation, otherwise it would be impossible to consistently animate them. The anatomy may be simplified, but there is an underlying foundation to it. Obviously shitty deviant art tier animu drawings often times lack that, but that has nothing to do with anime style in general. Bad realistic drawings lack that foundation just as much.

[Anonymous No.1884254]

>>1884243
Reference from other Artists who have their fundamentals down and at the same time are able to translate these fundamentals into stylized work and can successfully give that "cute" look while at the same time describe a believable figure without it looking jarring or unpleasant, this is probably the most difficult part of it is to be able to find that fine median between a simplified figure yet believable in space.

After studying from another Artist and finding out how they proportion the figure (especially the head and face) use what you've learned from the Artist and apply that onto a real world reference and see how you can problem solve.

As long as the Artist has their fundamentals it wont hurt to pick up a thing or two.

[Anonymous No.1884257]

>>1884254
0033?

[Anonymous No.1884258]

>>1884257
Yes

[Anonymous No.1884261]

>>1884254
Alright, I guess that'll come in time. Right now I'm still a beginner, and I'd like to draw cute characters (like perhaps making monsters cute and what not) but I'm still reading up on Loomis work as well as still learning my fundamentals.

Once I get to that level, I'll look further into that and see what can be done. Using the same character from before (Medli from Wind Waker), I think this looks cute. That image of the animu girl you posted I think looks gross.

[Anonymous No.1884268]

>>1884243
>interested in animu
>nt knowing who are the good artists

how do you people leave ?

[Anonymous No.1884277]

>>1883854
Focus on hands for a bit and then come back.

Your muscles are off, but we'll work n that when you come back. Also, breasts don't push together like that on a naked, skinny girl.
Keep at it and you'll be fine!

[Anonymous No.1884278]

>>1884261
Medli can be broken down to "blook lines" the very same technique found from Loomis in fun with a pencil can be used to draw the same thing you posted however it takes an understanding of linear perspective and the ability to describe things in space to fool the viewer into thinking this can exist in three dimensional space.

Wokada takes it a step further using his knowledge of anatomy to build forms ontop of other forms while at the same time give a gesture that further communicates with the viewer on what the figure is doing.

You can start by breaking down Medli into basic forms and shapes and basically turn her into a "blook" just like the caricatures found in fun with a pencil it may be from the 1950
s but it is using the same principles.

>>1884268
I don't watch anime or know any other Artists besides the ones I see or talked about here.

[Anonymous No.1884281]

>>1884277
Never cared for animu, wasn't interested, but I like how they do cute.

>>1884278
>technique found from Loomis in fun with a pencil

Looks like I'm on the right track. I'm currently reading up Fun with a Pencil. Once I get done with it, I'd like to read up on other of Loomis' books, but good to know that some insights will be given in regards to what I'm asking. Thanks for that insight.

[Anonymous No.1884300]

>>1883263
small update

[Anonymous No.1884318]

>>1884300
Have you read "Force: Dynamic Life Drawing for Animators" by mike mattesi?
Those legs look very wooden and stiff, and I think you would benefit from the principles--like straight lines against curves to guide the eyes and such.

[Anonymous No.1884334]

>>1883742
Windwaker aint gotta explain shit.
Its just a morphed baby face, is all.

[Anonymous No.1884338]

>>1884268
not the other guy but sometimes I go to a livestream and watch that.
Tis fun

[Anonymous No.1884377]

>>1884334

Well that explains some things. It's so kawaii :3
I'll have to do some grinding before I can even bother attempting to do that. Gotta finish up on Loomis work first.

[Anonymous No.1884380]

>>1884377
>:3

Medlifag have you done those blooks yet?

[Anonymous No.1884382]

[Anonymous No.1884384]

>>1884380
I just got to that part. Working on it. I actually want to see if I can complete each Loomis book per week. I have a lot of time to spare, luckily, so I hope I can get through it. If I feel like something isn't looking right in certain sections, I just keep trying at it until I get it right. All the while as I'm doing Peter Han's exercises.

[Anonymous No.1884386]

>>1883685
Not sure how I want to end it yet so I just started making the boards.

[Anonymous No.1884387]

>>1884382
This is adorable, I love it!

[Anonymous No.1884388]

>>1884387
thanks!

[Anonymous No.1884408]

>>1884382
Cute, but needs some more ambition.

Like filling in the foreground, for instance.

[Anonymous No.1884415]

>>1883599
>>1883685
>>1884386
stop posting these boards and animate them already
i doubt you'll even find it in yourself to finish something of this scale, in any case

[Anonymous No.1884483]

lineart and style attempt

[Anonymous No.1884515]

>>1884300
How long have you been drawing mikufag?

Curious

[Brides head No.1884522]

Play me Haydn - String Quartet in D Minor "Fifths" - Mov. 1/4. Please.

[Anonymous No.1884637]

trying to figure out narrative.

[Anonymous No.1884642]

Working on animating one of my favorate Izayoi Seishin illustrations. Here is the first second-ish...

[Anonymous No.1884643]

>>1883617
All seems good except for the hair and face. The hair looks weird and stiff, and the face has no depth.

[Anonymous No.1884651]

[Anonymous No.1884654]

Teach me about lineart.

[Anonymous No.1884655]

>>1884642
Dude, timing.

[Anonymous No.1884662]

>>1883854
Usually elbows line up with the waist and wrists line up with the crotch, right?

[Anonymous No.1884664]

>>1884655

It's gonna be a shower scene! (After I fucked up the timing.)

[Anonymous No.1884668]

>>1884415
i like seeing them

[Anonymous No.1884681]

>>1883706
Not the same guy, but I'd appreciate if you could upload it

[Anonymous No.1884702]

>>1884415
I'll post whatever I damn well please cuz' murica'. But on a serious note I have been doing nonsensical doodle gifs all week. Right now I feel like making something with a tangible start and finish, so that's what i'm doing.

It's actually kind of exciting since I haven't done something this complex in years. Oh and I know I wont finish it. But I've come to accept that already.

[Anonymous No.1884704]

>>1884300
I think the facial expression and pose don't really make sense together, why would she pose like that if she's in a bad mood? Anger tends to make people take a slightly hunched posture, not a very open one like this.
If she has to pose for some reason it would be more likely for her to try to control her expression as well but failing somewhat, looking sort of tense. In your drawing her face looks more relaxed grumpy, like talking shit about others with her friends or complaining about plot holes in her favourite show or something like that.

[Anonymous No.1884780]

Trying to jump into digital painting since I've basically never made a completed thing. Gonna have to look at references because limbs always kil me.

[Anonymous No.1884865]

>>1884780
>Gonna have to look at references because limbs always kil me.

look into "buying" visualarium-mastering artistic anatomy or michael hamptons analytical figure drawing
they help give you many solutions to drawing limbs and connecting it to a final form

[Anonymous No.1884873]

Does this style/practice has a name?

Drawing pop characters as realistic stuff.

[Anonymous No.1884880]

>>1884873
Anim00 realism.

[Anonymous No.1884883]

>>1884865
Is the Hampton's one a book also called "Figure Drawing: Design and Invention" or is that something else? Thank you, by the way.

>>1884873
'Gritty' reimaginings. Most of them aren't realistic anyway. Just pure edge.

[Anonymous No.1884887]

>>1884883
Yeah realistic is not the proper word, but i could'nt find a better one.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1884888]

>>1884873
It's called alt art.

[Anonymous No.1884901]

So i'm trying to experiment with new ways to make the eye look pearlier and prettier so i need some help here

does the shine exist under or over the lens of the eye?

[Anonymous No.1884902]

new fred when ?

[Anonymous No.1884915]

>>1884704
Yeah I had a feeling it would I need to tell a story that reads well.

[Anonymous No.1884918]

>>1884915
lol
you got me mikufag

tell me she is fingering :^)

[Anonymous No.1884919]

>>1884915
lmao

[Anonymous No.1884927]

just watched this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpUE-oMpjNE

would recommend. it's a video where a caricarturist talks about making caricatures of celebrities. he mainly talks about conan but most of it can be applied to more general terms.
really well made video.

[Anonymous No.1884967]

>>1884702

[Anonymous No.1884976]

>>1884967
If you haven't made a feature length cartoon in the next 6 months I'm going to find where you live and sharpen both ends of all your pencils
you mothercuker

[Anonymous No.1884992]

>>1884702
>gif
Why are you still using such an ancient file type?

[Anonymous No.1884995]

>>1884992
Sir

[Anonymous No.1885009]

>>1884976
If only. I need to get another copy of after effects somehow so I haven't been able to do much more than just a gif here or there. It's kind of depressing.

[Anonymous No.1885021]

>>1884992
They lend themselves to animation well enough I think. Rather than uploading tons of 6 second animation on youtube or whatever.

[Anonymous No.1885028]

>>1885021
Or you could use a webm.

[Anonymous No.1885032]

Trying to do short comics again. How the hell am I supposed to get clean lines with a pencil????

[Anonymous No.1885048]

>>1885028
heh I haven't really looked into webm yet to be honest. I got out of bootcamp and noticed that it was all over the chans apart from that I know nothing of it other than it's a sort of looping video (which is pretty cool now that I think of it)

[Anonymous No.1885052]

>>1885032
Use ink and erase the pencil when your done. Comic artists have been doing this for literally over a hundred years.

[Anonymous No.1885064]

>>1885052
But what about JUST using pencil? Sometimes I don't want to ink it because I think it looks better in pencil.

[Anonymous No.1885079]

>>1885064
Use a mechanical pencil with relatively soft leading so it shows in the scan. But you have bigger [rpblems if you ask me. Your charactors are really stiff and one look at your attempt at drawing hands shows how little you know of anatomy. That and the fact that all your panels are static (one size). You may as well add a few inbetweens and call it an animation. What the point of doing comic books if you are going to use boring one sized panels?

I mean of course you can do comics for fun, but I hope you are also doing studies to help improve too anon.

[Anonymous No.1885083]

>>1885079
thank you for the critique

[Anonymous No.1885094]

>>1885021
either it's not finished yet or you've fucked up the planes of the legs, the two front and two back legs seem to merge into one, instead of crossing in different planes.

[Anonymous No.1885167]

>>1885094
Hmm I never noticed, it honestly looks good to me. The front left and back right move in tandom and vise versa for the other two. But it is crudly animated on twos so maybe iy doesn't read so well for you.

[Anonymous No.1885176]

>>1885094
>>1885167
The movement of the legs read fine and the way he walks is perfectly possible (imagine a dog running). The reason why it looks weird is because it lacks the bounce. If the intention is to make him look like he is walking then the steps should be more evenly spaced out. The front legs stepping down in alteration in a constant pace.

[Anonymous No.1885181]

>>1885176
So true. I was just telling myself that earliar as a matter of fact when I posted it. The body and legs are on separate layers so I think i'll puppet a (cheap) bounce in there when I get the chance. As for the spacing out I think more frames would solve that issue. There are only about six frames in this one presently.

[Anonymous No.1885214]

Can someone maybe help me out? I didn't know where else to ask. I'll draw up a sketch in SAI. and sometimes the little circle indicator will stop, or freeze mid-stroke. While I can still move around the arrow cursor. It's really starting to impede my progress. This has happened before, but I cant for the life of me remember how it got fixed. I tried restarting the drivers and such, but nothing. The tablet has no problems when I draw in flash, so I dont know what to think. Any help would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1885315]

>>1884873
>lost his leg from eating to much "cake"
Im dying over here

[Anonymous No.1885355]

Rate my drawing.

[Anonymous No.1885429]

>>1885355
10/10 cause you put it in the style thread and didn't make a new thread

Here is a list of things to work on
>chicken scratch
this will be fixed over time, draw more
>boobs look insane
study some breast tutorials, this thread should have a bunch >>1861128
>face looks flat
do a few pages of faces and you'll see the light
>no arms = no hands = cheating
>torso, neck and ankles are thick
study some anatomy, but this will also come with mileage, just make sure you are doing your studies

good effort, dont give up! real score 3/10

[Anonymous No.1885457]

>>1882823
I'm in love with you, you got a tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1885531]

can we dump some of our stuff, I got ilke 9 drawings I wanna show but I dont wanna come up like an atention whore

[Anonymous No.1885532]

>>1885531
fuck me, forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1885533]

>>1885532
I love this, please continue

[Anonymous No.1885537]

>>1885532
>>1885533
kay

1/8

[Anonymous No.1885539]

>>1885537
I made a thread but some anon told to try in the drawing one but I think it fits beter here

[Anonymous No.1885541]

>>1885539
stunning

[Anonymous No.1885543]

>>1885539
3/8

[Anonymous No.1885548]

>>1885541
thanks

>>1885543

4/8
I know he is holding the sword like a moron

[Anonymous No.1885551]

>>1885548
5/8

[Anonymous No.1885552]

>>1885551
6/8

[Anonymous No.1885553]

>>1885552
7/8

[Anonymous No.1885555]

>>1885553
8/8

[Anonymous No.1885579]

>>1881546
wip currently, draw request of alice twilight. thoughts so far? im still working with anatomy. it just fucks with me lol

[Anonymous No.1885669]

Since this was rejected in the Beginner's Thread for being an animu, I post here.

Any points I should improve on? This is my fourth attempt in portrait lineart. I'm trying to get my fundamentals right before proceeding to color.

[Anonymous No.1885687]

>>1885669
Just color it and see how it goes, I don't see any glaring flaws, but I'm still pretty green.

If you want to work on fundamentals, draw more pieces. Quantity over quality

[Anonymous No.1885774]

>>1885669

You were given feedback, you just refused to accept it.

[Anonymous No.1885783]

>>1885774
I don't accept unconstructive feedback. Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.1885784]

>>1885783

You were told ways and methods as to how to improve over all, and not just on animu images. The feedback was constructive, but it's either you're indenial or you have terrible reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.1885785]

>>1885784
Maybe you're missing something here. I'm currently learning anime/manga/stylization/whatnot style. I'm already done with the photorealism bullshit this board likes so much.

[Anonymous No.1885819]

New Thread:

>>1885818
>>1885818
>>1885818

[Anonymous No.1886266]

>>1885785
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H.he said he's hahahHAHAHA d.done with the photoreallism 'bullshit' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

Hehe reveling in mediocrity are we?.I mean I draw stagnant animu shit too, but even I know that the people that do it for a living are accomplished in the traditional stuff first.

Well thanks for the laugh anon. And good luck with...whatever the hell that is ahahaha.