Beginner Thread #27

[Anonymous No.1871259]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1864908

[Anonymous No.1871307]

What are some practices I can do to stop chicken scratching. When I do a full like I usually go slow and the line looks shaky

[Anonymous No.1871309]

>>1871307
watch this vid, pay attention to what he says about basic forms and the excercises for making your lines confident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

tl;dr just whip that shit out there and know what you have in mind, if you know what you're drawing you'll just do it.

[Anonymous No.1871319]

I'm starting to get how face works, and I'm okay at anatomy, I feel ready to level up.

I noticed a important factor to make a face look real is a good rendering, and I have no fucking clue how do it. Any good rendering tutorial(s), videos, books, anything?

And where I should start when learning how to paint? Oh course first I'll work my tradicional rendering and values before painting.

[Anonymous No.1871324]

Ref anyone?

[Anonymous No.1871331]

Words don't describe how amazed I am by the fact this method work so well. I'm kind proud of myself.

Loomis just call this planes of the head, can I read or find reference of this method in others angles?

[Anonymous No.1871350]

Something that's been bugging me for a while. Are proko's model reference imagesets actually good to study from? The lense distortion seems really extreme in them, much moreso than in most other photos you'd find for figure drawing reference. Is this done on purpose to emphasize the perspective or are they just badly shot?

[Anonymous No.1871351]

Why do you need reference for other angles? Everything you need is right there. By making it easy on yourself by copying photos you won't learn as fast as if you were to make up your own head angle and apply that method to it.

[Anonymous No.1871355]

ayy lmao

critiques please

[Anonymous No.1871359]

Getting bored of the funny 'fun with a pencil' heads, please tell me they help me getting better and I'm not wasting my time

[Anonymous No.1871360]

>>1871351
Anon, I'm not trying to make the process easier. I thought as a beginner reference was always necessary, especially of head construction. If I fuck up the base then the rest of the drawing will be shit. Come up with the planes without 100% of sure of what I'm doing sounds wrong.

[Anonymous No.1871383]

>>1871359
Just move on if you're bored with them, the most important thing to learn from them is how you construct your drawing through basic shapes. After FWAP look into Vilppu's manual.

[Anonymous No.1871400]

>>1871383
Will do. After Drawing on the right side and like 15 pages of loomis I'm already a million times better than I used to be, p cool.

[Anonymous No.1871402]

I'm concerned about my gestures

most resources I use (Villpu in particular) start their gestures with a head and carry from there, but i find it more comfortable to start with a body then add to it

Does it seem to work out from what I'm posting? This has bugged me for a while - and then i find it even better to draw the figure somewhat construxted via contour with the desired pose, but all these instructors reccomend rythmed lines and shit. is there something im missing?

[Anonymous No.1871403]

>>1871402
er, sorry

[Anonymous No.1871432]

>>1871402
I also find it easier to start with the body. When I do the head first, I always end up having to resize it because it's too big or small compared to the rest.

Just do whatever feels best to you. Remember the point of gesture is to draw the action. However you choose to do that is up to you.

[Anonymous No.1871461]

I'm reading through Keys to Drawing and I adore the book, since it's been nothing but helpful and easy to follow. However, chapters 3 and 4 are getting difficult for me because I can't feasibly do the exercises (no model). I was thinking of skipping the exercises, but I don't know if that's wise.

What would you guys recommend as the best course of action? Apply the techniques to regular still life? Skip forward to the other chapters? I'm just sick of being stuck on the book.

[Anonymous No.1871462]

I've got a question is there any exercise that would help me draw lightly? I'm having difficulty drawing lightly.

[Anonymous No.1871476]

>>1871461
buy a big ass-mirror

[Anonymous No.1871478]

help me out guys, I'm having trouble with face angles ..

the placement of the mouth/nose feels weird and I'm always struggling to place/scale the eyes properly

[Anonymous No.1871483]

>>1871476
would that honestly be as helpful? you're drawing the distorted reflection, not from a model. not to mention several of the exercises require distance and poses.

[Anonymous No.1871497]

>>1871350
There's a bit of lens distortion, but it isn't unworkable. It just simulates standing a little closer to the model than you might in a life drawing class. Sites like character designs tend to have more lens distortion to the point where it can be a problem. Pic related.

If you feel like you don't have a solid understanding of perspective, and that the proko photos won't help you, then don't study from them. As long as you can find the horizon and figure out the ground plane then you're probably fine. A good free alternative is mj_ranum's stock gallery on deviantart. Practically no distortion compared to the human eye, and generally good, simple lighting in most. Some of his older shots do have too deep darks so watch out for that.

[Anonymous No.1871504]

>>1871462
Practice drawing value scales:

Grab a fine marker, draw a 9x1cm rectangle, and divide it into 9 squares. Switch to a pencil and try to fill in each square so that it's uniform in value and each square is darker than the previous. The first should be filled with as light a tone you can make, the last should be as dark as you can make it with that same pencil, and the middle should be a middle value. You can try making it with more or less rectangles - just keep it an odd number and try to have equal value jumps between scales.

Do the same but going in reverse (dark to light). Do it again, but this time don't subdivide the rectangle: fill it with a smooth gradient that reaches all the right values at the right place. Do another smooth gradient that's dark to light. Do all those exercises again with a softer pencil. Do all of them again with a harder pencil. Do all of them again but use the side of the pencil instead of the tip.

Aside from those exercises, just try to draw with a softer or a harder pencil. If you're gripping your pencil super tightly, then stop that.

[Anonymous No.1871509]

>>1871483
Flat mirrors don't distort compared to the human eye. Convex and concave mirrors distort. They do show a mirror image, but luckily humans are bilaterally symmetrical.

>not to mention several of the exercises require distance
Sit or stand farther away

>and poses
Change how you sit or stand. Drawing anything from life is better than not drawing. Think about what the point of an exercise is. Chances are it's to teach you to draw what's in front of you. As you go on, you'll encounter a ton of figure drawing books anyway, so don't fret about not being able to draw an elaborate pose from a model this second.

[Anonymous No.1871554]

>>1871355
Try to shade in a single direction, or else some objects will look like they're distorting space. (Top left object, top right object)

[Anonymous No.1871603]

Need crit

[Anonymous No.1871623]

>>1871331

look for the 'asaro head', the 'reilly abstraction' (watts does this) and I think Vilppu does his own style of head construction as well. I havent read bridgman or hampton yet so idk about those guys.

[Anonymous No.1871763]

How do I get better at lighting, /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1871764]

>>1871478
You're kind of symbol drawing with the eyes, man.

[Anonymous No.1871790]

>>1871764
>You're totally symbol drawing everything, man.

FTFY

[Anonymous No.1871794]

>>1871763

That's my question.
Guy from previous thread about the final exercise in the book on drawing with the eraser. Shit is impossible for me, no idea how to approach.

As advice would do.

[Anonymous No.1871797]

>>1871432
Thanks anon, I'm getting the hang of it now.

[Anonymous No.1871798]

>>1871764

of course he is, it's a fucking chinese cartoon

[Anonymous No.1871799]

>>1871764
Pretty sure he wasn't aiming for a spot on rendition of a photograph, anon

[Anonymous No.1871800]

>>1871799
6/10

[Anonymous No.1871801]

>>1871603
Pay attention to proportions, don't worry about form yet and push your poses. Try to stick as close as you can to one line of action and draw 10,000 more gestures.

[Anonymous No.1871824]

>>1871764
>>1871790
>>1871798
>>1871799
<3 /ic/

[Anonymous No.1871833]

Not sure of this goes here, but any critique I can get would be awesome.

[Anonymous No.1871837]

>>1871833
use the grid method and measure angles using the assistance of vertical and horizontal guide lines. I don't think you would benefit from arbitrary construction lines, though anything is better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.1871839]

>>1871833
Very flat face, you need to study more about depth.

[Anonymous No.1871843]

>>1871833
You would get better results learning to draw with fruit. Try to draw like bumskee. The tutorial gets you comfortable with using digital mediums, and also allows you to draw simple objects from life. Keep it simple, you'll still learn. When you move to using picture, find something larger and more clear with decent lighting on it.

[Anonymous No.1871846]

>>1871843
Where can I find this tutorial?

[Anonymous No.1871852]

Critique?

[Anonymous No.1871863]

>>1871852
get a better camera and stop drawing on line paper

[Anonymous No.1871905]

Is it normal the quality of the heads I'm drawing vary?

[Anonymous No.1871914]

[Anonymous No.1872019]

I'm not sure how or what to study?

I've just been trying to replicate poses lately.
I want to get better at drawing the figure and values.

I mean, I'm drawing, but I feel like I need a more organized approach to get better. Like a schedule that has me do face studies on one day...and other stuff.

I'm just not really sure how to build a good schedule and what that schedule would include.

[Anonymous No.1872039]

>>1871905
Yes, don't get discouraged. Every artist has their ups and downs.

[Anonymous No.1872127]

Critiques please. Be harsh if necessary and tell me what's wrong with this picture.

[Anonymous No.1872133]

>>1872127
Something wrong with your lines!
Watch what this guy suggest.
>>1871309

[Anonymous No.1872139]

>>1872133
Thank you but that's all? My lines? I know there are a lot of thing with my pic but I don't know what.

[Anonymous No.1872140]

>>1872139
*things wrong with

[Anonymous No.1872141]

>>1872139
There is much wrong with the proportions.

[Anonymous No.1872142]

>>1872141
And how I fix it?

[Anonymous No.1872145]

>>1872142
Read the chapters of "Keys of drawings" and of "Drawing on the right side of your brain" about it, do the exercises, and then remake it.

[Anonymous No.1872147]

still a beginner here.

[Anonymous No.1872151]

>>1872147
this is better i think

[Anonymous No.1872156]

How I use the "grind method"?

[Anonymous No.1872162]

>>1872156
You work up yourself into intense heat then rub your crotch furiously at the paper / canvas.

[Anonymous No.1872182]

>>1872151
Symbols mate. Read the stycky, draw some boxes. And draw faces from the front, it's harder to see the form.

[Anonymous No.1872229]

>Doing vilppu gestures
>feel like im drawing weightless stick figures
>tell me this is okay
Also I've been having a little trouble drawing from imagination. That's more so my fault considering I've only been doing studies, thinking that it'll help progress my work but when I draw straight from the noodle it's almost as if I've completely lost all artistic knowledge. Thinking I should do a few gesture studies of one ref..then stop - new page - draw a few again from imagination, then compare. I'm sure this will help, but let me know of some other excercises.

[Anonymous No.1872252]

Alright. I'm gonna ask here because I'd prefer asking here over anywhere else. Don't ask why.

As it stands My visions poor(I can't draw on note paper anymore with a pencil like I used to in school; cant see the damn lines well enough anymore), Im left handed but have a right handed mouse(tried swapping hands, was even worse)the only way so far I've been able to properly see anything Im drawing is on a PC because of the high contrast, and lastly I have absolutely no money to spend on anything for myself anymore.

How fucked am I, what can I do to lessen the learning curve given these complications, is it worth trying, or should I just give up already?

[Anonymous No.1872253]

[Anonymous No.1872256]

is the anatomy more or less right? except the feet and missing head

[Anonymous No.1872259]

>>1872229
I know this feeling all too well. We'll get through this anon.

[Anonymous No.1872261]

spent way too much time on this. Still gettin familiar with tools and stuf

[Anonymous No.1872292]

imagine yourself in that spooky cave

[Anonymous No.1872304]

First day, this is probably my first drawing ever other than when I was a little kid

[Anonymous No.1872305]

>>1866337
>>1866973
>got it in the mail today
>holy shit this is huge
>way bigger than the pictures made it seem

I sure hope BIG has a bigger payoff like you say it does.

[Anonymous No.1872309]

>>1871846
I'm sorry I was working. It's everywhere. Here's what it looks like. Try it out.

[Anonymous No.1872323]

>>1872261
You should start to think about your composition, it will make even the simplest studies look a lot better.

[Anonymous No.1872366]

>>1872256
pls judge

[Anonymous No.1872389]

>>1872323
thanks for an advise friend

[Anonymous No.1872407]

>>1872253
Pokemon is serious shit when envisioned more realistically.

[Anonymous No.1872425]

>>1872256

Looks fucking weird.

[Anonymous No.1872453]

>>1872425
ok

[Anonymous No.1872480]

/ic/ please tear me apart.

[Anonymous No.1872482]

>>1872480

I couldn't even get her eyes to look forward. Please critique.

[Anonymous No.1872484]

>>1872480
YOURE DRAWING SYMBOLS PLEASE REPORT TO THE STICKY AND SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL YOU STOP DRAWING SYMBOLS GOD FUCKING DAMN IM GETTING PISSED THE FUCK OFF HAHA :)

[Anonymous No.1872524]

>>1872484

I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.1872559]

Tried doing some generic heads from various angles. The last one was super-tricky.

[Anonymous No.1872573]

>>1872524
He was being quite rude but have you read the sticky? It explains how you are using symbols in your work and it will help you out a lot without having to ask the board

[Anonymous No.1872604]

>>1872573

I just did after he told me off.

[Anonymous No.1872612]

>>1872484

This is not only rude, but a lazy response. Symbol drawing is going on, but really not the main problem. When beginners learn to draw from observation (rather than symbol drawing), they carefully copy individual bits of the image without the image coming together as a whole. The trademarks of this are bad proportion and inaccurate values, and it's clearly what's going on here.

>>1872480
Anon, squint at the reference image and pick out where the lightest and darkest values belong. You should see, for example, that the hair in your image should be WAY darker and the lines and shadows on the face (e.g. eyesockets and nose) are exaggerated in your image. As for proportion, remember to work from large to small in your image, first establishing the location of the features before rendering them. Look for 2s shapes and negative space in the image, and measure distances and angles by visualizing horizontal and vertical lines on the reference. Notice, for example, that the distance from the hairline to the brow is way too small in your image.

[Anonymous No.1872629]

>>1872559
The chin is not coming forward like that. open your hampton pdf and pay more attention to the shape of the side plane.

[Anonymous No.1872630]

>>1872182
>>1872151
I meant avoid drawing faces from the front*

[Anonymous No.1872647]

>>1872612

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.1872659]

what am I supposed to do when I can't even do this

[Anonymous No.1872666]

>>1872659
Practice drawing basic 3D forms.

Keep in mind that Loomis was able to make his cartoon faces look so authentic is because he knew his anatomy. Since you don't it'll be hard for you to put out a face of that quality without copying. But the overall point of those blooks is to understand how to put the 3D forms together to make something.

[Anonymous No.1872667]

>>1872659
You're supposed to try, not to master it. It's a form of stylization and it will require knowledge of forms etc. to get it down correctly. Just draw.

[Anonymous No.1872668]

>>1872667
>Just draw.
i dont know what I'm doing wrong. I know it's wrong, but I can't look at something and say "this part is bad. I'll try to improve it next face"

[Anonymous No.1872669]

>>1872629
Thanks, I'll look into it.

[Anonymous No.1872683]

>>1872304
what do you hope to gain with this post?

[Anonymous No.1872684]

>>1872484
kek

[Anonymous No.1872686]

>>1872668
that's because you're a beginner, everything is wrong, just keep going regardless, sometimes you just have to put in the time without seeing any noticeable improvement.

[Anonymous No.1872689]

>>1872668
>I can't look at something and say "this part is bad. I'll try to improve it next face"
You can't? Are you drawing nonexistent things?

Things that have no reference in this world?

If not then all you need is to look at reference to see where you fucked up.

[Anonymous No.1872691]

>>1871309
this guy is awesome, he has almost a military attitude towards drawing. I like it.

[Anonymous No.1872693]

>>1872689
I'm drawing like these cartoon faces
but I'm sure recognizing why it's bad is a skill
and I'll eventually get that

[Anonymous No.1872708]

>>1871478
I'd suggest you start trying to go a bit more towards photo-realistic style in order to hone those angles, then stylizing like that should be pretty simple.

[Anonymous No.1872710]

>>1871852
Make sure to try and scale models correctly, the female figure is usually around 7 heads tall, and two and a half heads white at the shoulders and hips.

[Anonymous No.1872712]

>>1872147
>>1872151
the details aren't bad, but the proportions are wrong, measure that head,cut it in half, and that's where the eyes should be.

[Anonymous No.1872713]

>>1872019
Any help?

[Anonymous No.1872718]

>>1872256
It looks as if her back was broken and her whole side was turned to the right. the Hips and shoulders are at a almost 90 degree angle from each other. Also the legs are too long, and the torso is too short. Groin to Feet should be ~3 1/2 heads, and chin to groin should be about 3 heads on a female.

[Anonymous No.1872719]

>>1872708
>photo-realistic
do you even know what that means

[Anonymous No.1872737]

>>1872604
Then thats the right way to treat guys like you who ask for critique without reading the sticky.
Nobody wants to critique piss poor drawings anon, its just boring.
And no, nobody has ever been good without some form on education in drawing. It's like some of you are honestly expecting to be told 'wow anon, that is awesome, and you got there without formal education? You have to be the next michelangelo'.
Well it's not gonna happen, ever.

[Anonymous No.1872750]

>>1872304
study anatomy

[Anonymous No.1872770]

What picture are we drawing for this thread?...

[Anonymous No.1872773]

>>1872559
You made a box for the head on the right yet you didn't follow it.
Look at the chin, it's not in the center of the base of the frontal plane. The ear is way to far up. You made the guide from the corner of the eye yet you didn't follow it.

[Anonymous No.1872775]

>>1872737

;_; I'll get back to Keys to Drawing.

[Anonymous No.1872779]

>>1872775
I didn't mean to beso rude. It's just sometimes there's too much laziness.
You're not terrible though, just uneducated. If you put the efort into you will surely get better.

[Anonymous No.1872783]

I did a study. Major mistakes I haven't noticed? The lip and mouth are slightly off angle, but I couldn't seem to redraw it right so I rolled back to here.

[Anonymous No.1872787]

>>1872783

nose and mouth are okay

you did horrible on the eyes though, no likeness at all.

[Anonymous No.1872789]

>>1872783
you really got that movement down, nice.

[Anonymous No.1872793]

I can't stop using Microsoft Paint since I got my premium version unlocked.. It even supports hotkeys to switch tools now!

[Anonymous No.1872800]

I watched few sycra videos. Is Charles Bargue Drawing Course good for learn proportions like he said? Can a begginer who needs to learn proportions start with that book?

[Anonymous No.1872819]

How do I deal with being in a class that isn't very conducive to learning? I'm an education student and taking my first drawing class, but I fucking hate the way it's run. It's mandatory and I want to off myself every class.

[Anonymous No.1872828]

>>1872800
Yes, absolutely. The exercises are designed to teach you how to break down complex forms into simple polygonal shapes with accurate proportions. Those shapes are broken down into smaller shapes when can in turn have value applied to look like the reference.

[Anonymous No.1872830]

>>1872819
The basics are essential!

Also describe the class in more detail so we can tell you if you should drop that shit.

[Anonymous No.1872833]

>>1872830

There are no basics. It says it's about "foundations and artistic expression." We basically sit there for three hours and draw with very little instruction. No exercises at all. I asked my professor what we're learning and she said "I'm not going to teach anyone what to do, I would never do that." So basically she's saying there's no rhyme or reason to what we're doing and it's all about the process. But there's nothing to learn from. The problem is I have to take it because it's part of my program, so I'm stuck in this class for a year.

[Anonymous No.1872835]

>>1872833
Wow that sounds like a trash class

[Anonymous No.1872836]

>>1872833
wow no.

[Anonymous No.1872839]

>>1872828
Thanks anon, I'll do my best.

[Anonymous No.1872840]

>>1872833
Just have vilppu's manual on your phone and work from that. Check his vids when you get to the house

[Anonymous No.1872841]

>>1872835

It fucking kills me every time. I learned more in one highschool class than I have in all of these classes combined.

[Anonymous No.1872842]

Crouching study I've tried, stil having probs with forshortening and would like some feedback

[Anonymous No.1872843]

I feel like a dick for speeding up playback on Vilppu's lectures. He just talks so damn slowly.

[Anonymous No.1872847]

>>1872842

Her right leg makes it look like she's going to fall over backwards.

[Anonymous No.1872848]

>>1872847
hmm....tried to get the balancy ninje pose

[Anonymous No.1872851]

>>1872848

Go look at a ref.

[Anonymous No.1872882]

Someone post a ref.

[Anonymous No.1872940]

>>1872019
>>1872713

Or if anyone could share their schedules of what they learn on certain days that would be helpful too.

[Anonymous No.1872963]

>>1872882
Try this.

[Anonymous No.1872967]

>>1872659
Loomis fails to mention the fact it's fucking hard to place what you think looks like facial-features without making it look like a smiley-face.

You just gotta do it, copy it sorta so you can connect the process of construction with placing features on the face correctly.

[Anonymous No.1872969]

>>1872843
Where do I get me some Vilppu?
Do I gotta order it? I am very poor, and Scandinavian.

[Anonymous No.1872975]

>>1872969
yarr harr diggity dee

[Anonymous No.1872982]

>>1872963
that model from that app is HOT!!!

[Anonymous No.1872983]

>>1872982
God damnit this is why we use male models.

[Anonymous No.1872990]

>>1872842
Try posing that yourself in front of a mirror or something.

[Anonymous No.1873011]

https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo/videos

If anyone wants real-time figure studies.

[Anonymous No.1873014]

/ic/ please help me get better. how do you even force yourself out of an anime style? i've been trying for a couple of months but it's still super anime.

[Anonymous No.1873017]

One of my first attempts at drawing faces from imagination, my rights and wrongs people?

[Anonymous No.1873022]

>>1873014

No idea how to get you to stop, but I just want to point out that it's not anime and it's not super. All of the problems in your drawing: the rigid body language, poor depiction of cloth, sloppily thoughtless line work, inaccurate and skewed forms, and general lack of polish, you will carry these shortcomings with you no matter what "style" you jump to next.

[Anonymous No.1873048]

>>1872842
thank you for the feedback.....anything else to change?

[Anonymous No.1873049]

>>1872963

I tried, mudda fucka. Still new at the game they call life, know what I'm sayin'.

[Anonymous No.1873057]

grinding along

[Anonymous No.1873118]

[Anonymous No.1873189]

>>1873022
Sooo, work on them?

[Anonymous No.1873234]

Trying to make some reference images for a 3D character I want to make. Nose is fucked up in in the side view, but what else is terrible about it other than that?

[Anonymous No.1873240]

>>1873189

Yes, it would be wiser to work on the real issues around technique and fill gaps in knowledge, rather than worrying over style. A weak line in an anime drawing is equally weak in a Disney style drawing, and a skewed face looks bad in an abstract cartoon or a realist painting.

[Anonymous No.1873244]

>>1873234
>On the sketch
-Oh fuck those huge ass eyes goddamn
-Shit man why's that nose so tiny-- oh god is it supposed to have no nostrils
-Where'd the bridge of his nose go, Jesus man he can't breathe!
-Is that an eyebrow-ridge, looks like it's more of the edge of the crater that is his nose-bridge I mean fuck
-Oh lawd are his teeth a part of his lips oh fuck i'm freaking out here
-where'd his cheeks go, oh god oh man
-can he hear oh shit he don't got no ears jesus man
-Construction not visible other than the grid-view so nobody can critique whether or not the facial features conform to the skull
>On the render
-Where the fuck his ears at nigga
-Goddamn son the nose isn't a part of the lips
-I'm freaking out

[Anonymous No.1873251]

I'm doing the drawing the eraser trick, and I'm still working on it. I feel like every attempt I feel like at it I'm getting better in terms of getting the proper proportions, but there's one thing that bugs me.

So when erasing, you're supposed to erase completely and lightly erase. How exactly do you "lightly erase"? Perhaps I should make my overall background darker?

[Anonymous No.1873254]

>>1873251
Even though there's shit going to be left behind from "lightly erasing" it's just there to provide more shade than the binary "Erased/Marked" areas.

Do what you think fits best, and think of your eraser as a tool all of its own. It isn't there just to fix mistakes, it's there to make contrast where there never was any.

In other words, use it like a pen.
A pen that makes white marks.
A big, fucking hard to control pen.

[Anonymous No.1873257]

>>1872963
Tried it. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.1873261]

>>1873254

>A big, fucking hard to control pen.

Yea it is!
I guess what I can do is, if my erase parts a lightly to harsh, I could just lightly color it back in with the pencil.

[Anonymous No.1873274]

>>1873244
-Those "eyes" are actually meant to be Welding goggles (picture Dr. Nefario from Despicable me)
>Well shit, completely forgot about the ears.
>I suck at noses in particular, any pointers on how to improve?
-Lips? This is a cartoon character, and I'll take care of them when I'm doing the 3D side.
-As for the skull features, I'll get help (i.e. chewed the fuck out) with that from the anatomy-obsessed /3/, pic related

[Anonymous No.1873320]

>>1873257
The breasts look a bit flat. Nice thumbnail, though.

[Anonymous No.1873451]

hoi hoi should I post gesture studies from pixelovely here?
or are single model studies more better to post since there's more to critique?

[Anonymous No.1873453]

>>1871259
I know there are no shortcuts to art.
Still, are there potential drugs that could help with keeping at it?

I am having a hard time thinking of any seeing how most of the 'focus' ones also dull the metaphorical spirit.

[Anonymous No.1873454]

>>1873451
A couple things about your gestures:
First, the line of action doesn't necessarily always need to follow the back.
Second, you appear to not know what the basic shapes are for the pelvis or chest, making all your drawings look hollow.
Study more vilppu and loomis.

>>1873453
Coffee.

[Anonymous No.1873458]

>>1873454
>Hollow feeling
But they're sticks anon.

If you mean the construction, then yeah.
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.1873514]

How do you value /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1873529]

>>1873514
Her eye is too far out it should be sunken further back into the skull. I tried to fix with the liquify tool.

Also your tones are looking quite flat, try to make the planes more obvious.

[Anonymous No.1873532]

>>1873529
Bless you anon

[Anonymous No.1873537]

i did the lesson i found on pixelovely
how do you think i did?

10x 30sec pose
4x 1min pose
2x 6min pose
1x 11min pose
you can probably figure out which ones are which

[Anonymous No.1873540]

>>1873537
this one is my personal favorite

also i feel so bad drawing all these cause every picture was from a pretty lady and now they all look like men, whats up with that?

[Anonymous No.1873541]

>>1873251

Same guy from this post, still at it with this eraser drawing. I wanted to post my other attempt, but it didn't come out looking so well.

I know the neck looks awkward among other things, but any advice on how to make light shadows? The example shown in the book (image related) seems a lot more solid. My drawings don't look no where near as clean.

Any advice?

[Anonymous No.1873544]

>>1873514
Decide where your light source is then think about which planes are facing towards it.

[Anonymous No.1873545]

why does sycra sound so quiet and depressed in his pencilkings videos? it's like he's about to start crying at any second

[Anonymous No.1873580]

>>1873544
Was trying that when i saw your post. Fixed the lights and defined the planes a little more. It has improwed slightly(i think) Thanks again people!

[Anonymous No.1873597]

>>1873580
The eye still looks weird, we shouldn't be seeing so much of it in a side view like this. You've drawn it like it's facing us. The eyeball is a sphere.

[Anonymous No.1873612]

>>1873537
>>1873540
read fun with a pencil by loomis

learn how to properly construct a head instead of drawing random balls with things in them

[Anonymous No.1873617]

>>1873274
>imagining rabid raccoons biting your dick off

it was meant as positive criticism, if you can't take that much on a beginner thread then you seriously need to get off here

[Anonymous No.1873627]

>>1873597
>Gotta stop rendering like a fucking idiot and concentrate
The headaches you guys spare me from, when i look at it again tomorrow.
Much better

[Anonymous No.1873631]

>>1873627
is there a particular reason why you're painting and not starting with drawing?

btw the eye still looks quite off proportion wise it should be closer to an "(>" than a "<>"

hope you get it

[Anonymous No.1873643]

>>1873631

I wanted to do something with colors for a change. All i did last month was gesture drawings/anatomy and refining my linework.
Next month i want to start with some lighting maybe.
For this i layed down a basic sketch, then just blocked in some basic values and started painting over it. I didn't want to stick with this one for long. (i get the eyes, thanks anyways).

[Anonymous No.1873659]

>>1873643

Going to sleep now, keep giving good advice anon

[Anonymous No.1873667]

my whole page
http://deerdraws.tumblr.com/
>inb4 tumblr

[Anonymous No.1873819]

>Learning to draw the bones and muscles in the arm.
>Try to reference my own arm to understand how each piece moves.
>Muscles all soft with no definition.
;_;

[Anonymous No.1873845]

critique anyone? I know it's pretty stylized in terms of proportions but any recommendations would help.

[Anonymous No.1873854]

>>1873845
Like it but lighting is inconsistent, where is your light source!

[Anonymous No.1873868]

[Anonymous No.1873887]

>>1873845
If it's stylized, then I guess I can't really complain about the face, but i will complain about the clothes. The folds/wrinkles don't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.1874042]

My drawings from memory is getting better
First I examined the picture
Then turned it invisable
Quickly drew some guiding lines where she would be posing
Then tried to draw the rest
Is this a good method to some early stuff
Or should I practice my anatomy more from sight

[Anonymous No.1874089]

>>1874042
>Should I practice . . . more
Yes

[Anonymous No.1874095]

>>1874042
more anatomy since drawing from memory is easier if you understand anatomy works

[Anonymous No.1874137]

I went through the keys to drawing exercises but I feel I still have a lot of symbol drawing going on.

Got any other exercises that can help?

[Anonymous No.1874141]

>>1874137
Learn perspective and learn how to construct complex forms from basic forms. Draw more from life and photos to strengthen those skills, and to better develop your visual memory.

[Anonymous No.1874243]

Because apparently any aptitude I had for figure drawing is now gone, I tried something new and terrifying.

I haven't painted anything in months. ...It was fun.

[Anonymous No.1874299]

First time trying out oil pasteels. Ans tips o how to usw them Prosper?

[Anonymous No.1874315]

any obvious problems with this so far?

[Anonymous No.1874316]

>>1872969

>I am very poor
>Scandinavian

redundant.

some of it is out there on public trackers, but you should google around for some private, more art-focused trackers, possibly something to do with ComputerGraphicsPEERing.

[Anonymous No.1874325]

>>1874315
watch this:
>>1871309

[Anonymous No.1874342]

I should not be doing cross hatching if I don't fully grasp rendering yet right?

[Anonymous No.1874360]

>>1874325
yeah i know the vines at the top right and below the door are pretty fucked up. im going to fix those later. i was wondering if there were bigger problems like perspective, etc

[Anonymous No.1874378]

>>1872256
those boobs are way too close together

[Anonymous No.1874379]

>>1872305
the payoff is a wrist that can still move

[Anonymous No.1874430]

Any major issues with this so far?

[Anonymous No.1874431]

>>1874430
Theres barely anything there, too early to tell. Give at least another hour of work before posting.

[Anonymous No.1874457]

I've wanted to get back to drawing for a few years now. I am going to make this happen!

Need a good place to get subject material from, and possibly some free tutorials - I don't want to buy books.

Welp <3

[Anonymous No.1874472]

trying to get back into art instead of studying for my PTCE

just slapping in colors right now

[Anonymous No.1874474]

dumping shit

[Anonymous No.1874484]

>>1874430
try to block in colours before blending them
use a few more hues than pink and pink-brown
use the colour zones in this image

[Anonymous No.1874496]

>>1873451
don't copy the line, instead try to depict the pose, the movement. I think everybody should watch this sycra video before going into figures. he uses vilppu techniques but with his own "style". normally avoid the dude but this vid is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db86RFsURRI&list=UU5dyu9y0EV0cSvGtbBtHw_w

[Anonymous No.1874507]

>>1874496
Man, Sycra is really bad at drawing. I still like listening to his though.

[Anonymous No.1874577]

>>1872256
Muscles of the upper leg, lower arm, and I guess those are supposed to be the serrati, none of those things you drew looks like that in reality.

[Anonymous No.1874584]

>>1874315
finished this. thoughts?

i really wish i wasnt a poorfag so i could just paint on a tablet

[Anonymous No.1874589]

>>1872127
nigga is he chinese?

[Anonymous No.1874594]

>>1874584
no dark values, basically needs more dynamic range

so far so good though, although the gate? door? thing kind of blends into whatever it's sitting on

[Anonymous No.1874604]

Doing some exercises to learn proportion, it was fun, but I failed. Can someone point out my mistakes so next time I'll be able to keep the proportion?

[Anonymous No.1874613]

>>1874604
Chin juts out too much. Eyes are a bit too high, and set too far back.

That's what I see, but I'm not too great at this yet.

[Anonymous No.1874620]

I cant tell what is wrong with the skirt
Am I over doing it with the layers?

[Anonymous No.1874628]

>>1874620
learn folds from vilppu in the drapery video

for your skirt research pipe folds and tension

[Anonymous No.1874629]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.1874630]

>>1871307
know where your line is going to start and finish, and draw really quickly between those points.
shit's gonna be really messy at first but you'll learn to draw with your elbow instead of your wrist, as well as being more thoughtful about your lines. :33 another suggestion i have is stop giving a fuck about it because it's just a sketch.

[Anonymous No.1874643]

>>1874613
Thanks, I think I'll just keep insisting.

[Anonymous No.1874644]

>>1874628
With the fan going on in the background and his dry voice I cant hear him at all
Also its meant to be one of these school skirts

[Anonymous No.1874651]

>>1874594
its supposed to have a ridge in front of it. maybe i should make it more clear. darkening it sounds attractive.

[Anonymous No.1874654]

>>1874629
Need more life study, also need to study more carefully.

Look at the patterning in the headdress, towards the top you've got the lines going straight across despite the fact you aren't looking at Tut head-on.

Also you don't push your values enough to capture all of that complex lighting, either push values or simplify.

[Anonymous No.1874665]

>>1874643
I think I'm done with this one. If someone have something else have mistakes to point out let me know.

[Anonymous No.1874667]

>>1874665
i don't get how you can be making some of these errors without noticing them, its astonishing. (that people in general are so blind to their own drawings, not a personal slight on you) did you do the plates in order?

[Anonymous No.1874671]

>>1874667
I'm sorry I don't know why this happens. And yes, I did.

[Anonymous No.1874674]

>>1874644
That's lewd

[Anonymous No.1874677]

Trying to in to eyes so i can eventually into drawing them from imagination with no issues but damn... Top right one's my fav, but let me know what's up

[Anonymous No.1874678]

>>1874677
forgot image

[Anonymous No.1874694]

>>1874678
okay now into eyes from imagination now. honestly i think the hard part is matching eyes to other features, proportions, etc

[Anonymous No.1874711]

Drawing is harrrrrrrd!

[Anonymous No.1874716]

>>1874678
I feel like you're missing some important details here and there. Notice the creases and anatomy details like the underside of eyelids, caruncles, etc and show them more clearly in your drawing.

[Anonymous No.1874720]

I tried switching to Sai since I heard from other drawfags is more drawing friendly
Holy hell this feels and looks more better with Sensitive brushes
What other tools should I apply to make these sketches come out better?

[Anonymous No.1874726]

>>1874720
Just learn to draw, dude.
Also I've heard there's a stabilizer, turn that on I guess.

[Anonymous No.1874743]

Why is perspective so damn tricky? I've started to make it a point to draw everything in some sort of perspective one way or another (most of the time) and any and every time I either completely blank and draw out of perspective or I do and everythings all sorts of fucked up. Boxes are fine but the seond its something besides I just take a big shit on paper. Any books that cover this or is it just a thing you learn over time?

[Anonymous No.1874752]

It's a dumb question but, for example: If I'm learning perspective, and do 10 exercises that teach me how to use it correctly and when I finish all exercises how I'll know if I learned it and I'm applying it right?

[Anonymous No.1874758]

>>1874752
draw something and post here you ding dongus
>>1874743
norling is the loomis of perspective
also, i found this today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOSy1RLxUt4&list=PL833Uwf7-BP87Mz0grA_UygAhLs3jSOU_
no idea how good it is, havent watched it yet

[Anonymous No.1874779]

>>1874720
stop using sai and actually learn to control your lines

[Anonymous No.1874780]

>>1874720
get a pencil and paper and lrn2line first

then go back to sai

[Anonymous No.1874782]

>>1874752
nope, doesnt work like this. You have to do exercises all the time but its cool since you build
up your design abilities.
http://www.newmastersacademy.org/browse-by-instructor/?instructor=eriko

good class, do after that the "how to draw" book and look at blogs of fzds assignments. Then you try the same theme at your own ( like medieval astronomy, crazy themes I know). But its not like you need 1000 of drawings, about 20 are enough to be able to draw anything you like.

[Anonymous No.1874784]

Oh and the best way to learn to control line was the video from peter han. The free one on youtube is enough. But it takes time, you have to do about 100 a3 pages, everyday 3 as a warmup

[Anonymous No.1874981]

I don't get how to incorporate my anatomy studies into my drawings. I can read and understand the anatomy books you guys recommend but when it comes to drawing said body it just comes out bad as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1874982]

>>1874981
Maybe practice gestures more (50-50 referenced and imagination)

[Anonymous No.1875017]

>>1874720
>>1874720
tfw only using sai because small broken tablet

i just want to photoshop ;_;

[Anonymous No.1875088]

>>1875017
>tfw no tablet or scanner

It's not like I could do anything good on it anyway.

[Anonymous No.1875097]

>>1874620
learn 3d form first or youll always be shit

[Anonymous No.1875098]

>>1874620
draw a cone.
truncate said cone (bascially chop off the point)
pleat said cone.

Alternatively:

Buy skirt. Draw.

[Anonymous No.1875106]

well anatomy is a big big topic. First you have to seperate it in figure drawing and anatomy.
Figure drawing is gesture drawing + structure, you have to do 1000 of those (But works best as daily warumup, 100 per warmup.).
Then there is the anatomie itself, the details. Just pick up once in a while a book of it and do some parts and try to draw it afterwards from imagination. Don't learn everything at once, combine your daily workshedule with other stuffs like perspective, color, light ( value), composition, design ( draw other peoples stuff, draw from imagination and draw history stuff, again DAILY), line control, faces, studies and fashion design ( nice shapes)

[Anonymous No.1875127]

>doing a hand study
>hand begins to go numb/sore after about 4-8 minutes in and it gets difficult to hold the position
>eventually have to stretch out
>hand no longer in the same position
How do you guys keep your hands/feet/etc. in the same position for more than 15 minutes at a time without getting sore or shaking? I find that it's really cutting into my studying because it's so difficult to do a study that lasts longer than 10 minutes.

[Anonymous No.1875136]

Help.

My asses are lucsious, round, big, shapely. Legs perfect, meaty, sexy. Muscular with a bit of fat.

Hmmm

Mmmm-Hmmmm.

Oh

Yeah!

But THEY DON'T FIT THE CHARACTER I MAKE THEM FOR. I mean, anatomically speaking, yes.

Yes, they fit.

BUT THE CHARACTERS LOOKS TOO SEXY AND SWOLLE NOW AND HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE SO SEXY AND SWOLLE

HELP

[Anonymous No.1875141]

>>1875127
Gesture and construction could help.
Draw lines that estimate the motion of the fingers, then construct the basic shape of the hand upon the lines of motion.

That's what I do, usually.

>>1875136
You oughta draw some skeletons.
Skeletons are nice yo'.
Be sure to pay attention to how many heads wide the hips (left and right Iliac-crests of pelvis) and thighs (left and right greater trochanter) are.

Give us some of your sketches.

[Anonymous No.1875151]

been sketching this recently, working on faces and shit

[Anonymous No.1875152]

>>1875127
>left hand getting cramped/numb

bro go to the doctor, you shouldn't be drawing while you're having a heart attack

[Anonymous No.1875161]

learn to draw on paper first, painttoolsai won't make you a pro at drawing just because loads of artists use it, it's about the artist not the tools

[Anonymous No.1875167]

>>1875127
have you ever played a PC game? you get so mu ch into it you barely move. Just like that.

[Anonymous No.1875179]

>>1875161
I disagree. Paint tool Sai simply has way more tools at your disposal, and the rules are completely different.

You are not going to master SAI by doing lots of graphite.

In fact, I've learned many more techniques in SAI which I later applied on graphite, and I've been doing graphite for much longer.

[Anonymous No.1875191]

This is a new pose for me.

Is the pose correct?

[Anonymous No.1875192]

>>1875191
Shit, i forgot to mention.

He is kind of resting on a wall/tree. Arms will be crossed, but forgot include the gesture layer.

It's especially difficult because neither google nor quickposes seems to have a pose like it, so I've been doing it out of imagination and some mirrors, mostly.

[Anonymous No.1875194]

>>1875191
>new pose
>no arms
>no feet
>Is this correct?
For an amputee, maybe. It's very hard to tell what's going on since you didn't finish the drawing.
The guy still looks like he's falling, though.

[Anonymous No.1875198]

>>1875192
>>1875194
Disregard this. I suck cocks.

[Anonymous No.1875203]

This seems to be the first face that I did that doesn't suck completely (except for that wonky eye).
I'm struggling with deciding what lines to leave and what lines to erase. Any tips?
Also, feedback\harsh critique welcome.

[Anonymous No.1875206]

>>1875191
torso appears a bit short. Feels like they're falling over to their left rather than leaning backwards.

[Anonymous No.1875217]

Your figure looks a stickfigur. Your key to success is gesture drawing ( which is not easy !)

[Anonymous No.1875222]

Asked in the drawthread because no questions thread, gonna ask here too since I'm against the clock here:

Is there a name for those paintings or drawings that include animals in a -mostly- landscape artwork?

Nice works btw, keep working hard my fellow beginners, we have to make it.

[Anonymous No.1875229]

dont know but im interested in examples

[Anonymous No.1875233]

It's stylized, but that's no excuse. This is a reference picture for something I'm writing so the colors are secondary. Suggestions?

[Anonymous No.1875237]

>>1875233
head's set a bit too far forward, it's jutting out.

legs are awkwardly skinny, especially comparing them to the baggy pants.

Boot/ankle on their left leg (our right) is rather strangely constructed, and also thinner than their right ankle.

[Anonymous No.1875243]

Am I missing any basics to digital coloring? I feel like what I'm doing now is very inefficient because of how long it takes.

Right now what I'm doing is making a new multiply layer underneath the lines, throwing a color on, and then carefully erasing so that the color is within in the lines.

[Anonymous No.1875244]

I'm thinking of going to a library or a coffee shop tomorrow to sketch. I'm sort've nervous about it.

Should I be?

[Anonymous No.1875246]

>>1875244
I honestly think it's cool to see people draw in public. Of course, it's just a very quick glance and I forget about it seconds later. Just do it, Anon

[Anonymous No.1875251]

>>1875243
Don't get off the line. Didn't they teach you so in Kinder?

[Anonymous No.1875258]

>>1875237
Thanks for that. I'll get cracking on it.

[Anonymous No.1875266]

>>1875244
Pick the most hipster coffee shop possible. You will win instant friends.

[Anonymous No.1875268]

>>1875266
This actually isn't bad advice, but for different reasons

If you join a hipster coffee shop you'll get a lot of practice with different styles of weird clothing and hair most likely

[Anonymous No.1875269]

>>1875266
As soon as they see my drawings they'll walk away.

[Anonymous No.1875301]

firs ttime trying to render anything

[Anonymous No.1875368]

Anything for Hands, Fucking hands

[Anonymous No.1875424]

Sorry, I'm back again. I did this a while ago and never finished it. How does the perspective look? Is it salvageable or should I toss this?

[Anonymous No.1875425]

Just some gestures from my figure illustration class.

[Anonymous No.1875427]

>>1875425

[Anonymous No.1875429]

>>1875427
Here's some 20 minute drawings too

[Anonymous No.1875431]

>>1875429

[Anonymous No.1875432]

>>1875424
head and neck are salvageable. Torso needs heavy work. Everything below the mid chest feels off, perhaps due to a lack of proper shading or wrinkles in the fabric. I'm not even sure what position the legs are supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.1875439]

>>1875432
I was trying to go for a "floating" sitting position in zero gravity, which evidently didn't work well. This is what I get for not going in with a good plan and a skeleton. Thanks again.

[Anonymous No.1875440]

I know the hand is fucked
But hows everything else

[Anonymous No.1875443]

>>1875439
go find videos or pictures of people in the ISS and use those as reference.

pic related

[Anonymous No.1875469]

>>1875443
Holy hell I never thought of that... Dammit.

[Anonymous No.1875482]

i've posted this before but didn't get any feedback.

[Anonymous No.1875486]

>>1875440
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
stop chicken scratching
keep studying your fundies especially proportions

[Anonymous No.1875491]

>>1875482
Ass is facing us, but body isn't, with no sign of transition or curving of the body. Basically looks like someone took apart a doll and put it back together with the body screwed on sideways on purpose.

Right thigh tapers too much. Legs in general are kind of sinusoidal, which is odd.

Head doesn't really look like it's resting on the hand, it's just floating there.

also see >>1875486

[Anonymous No.1875492]

>>1875486
Oh yeah, Ive been doing this.
This is the crap I was doing when I started
A month ago
What can I read for proportions?

[Anonymous No.1875497]

>>1875492
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/ has tons of good tutorials but I forgot which section had perspectives, best guess is anatomy

but overall, try searching "head sizes"

[Anonymous No.1875499]

>>1875492
http://funkymonkey1945.deviantart.com/art/Notes-from-class-2-480234046

take a look through his gallery, it's a gold mine.

[Anonymous No.1875501]

>>1875497
*proportions
fuck

[Anonymous No.1875503]

I'm trying to get back into drawing again after not drawing for 2 years. It's not done but I would like some feedback

[Anonymous No.1875505]

>>1875491
appreciate it, actually just watched that vid. Gonna be working on my lines and ellipses. I guess I have a long way to go.

[Anonymous No.1875512]

>>1875503
The eyes are a little too far apart for my liking, unless that's what you're going for.

[Anonymous No.1875524]

What is in laymen's terms gesture drawing? Every time it's explained to me I get confused.

[Anonymous No.1875545]

>>1875524
It's basically a quick sketch of a person for a short duration. Sometimes it captures their motion or movement.

just read the wikipedia page.

[Anonymous No.1875547]

>>1875503
The lines are nice, confident and whatnot-- but something about her face is making me believe it's flatter than it should be.
Add a small indication that there's more to the nose than just its shadow, and that might fix it a bit.
The eyes are large for the face, and in turn appear a little bit too far from eachother-- but that might just be a style thing.
All in all, it's a good composition.
Freckles and light make nice contrast.

[Anonymous No.1875632]

>>1874694
>>1874716
Ok thanks, will do!

[Anonymous No.1875658]

>>1875301
Thumbnail looks like a german solider nose deep in an albino girl.
Twigs on the bottom sides look like hands

[Anonymous No.1875659]

>>1875658
KEK

[Anonymous No.1875660]

>>1874457
Sticky
T
I
C
Y

[Anonymous No.1875661]

>>1874342
Doesnt hurt to try

[Anonymous No.1875678]

How do I find a mentor? I'm so bad at drawing that it makes me feel sick inside. I read the sticky. I think I'm just fucked.

[Anonymous No.1875679]

>>1875658
holy shit my sides, cannot unsee

[Anonymous No.1875694]

Anyone have some gestures I can practice

[Anonymous No.1875709]

>>1872963
why does her head look small when the proportions come out right when i measure them?

why is her face out of perspective when i aligned everything perfectly?

how the fuck do i draw small faces?

[Anonymous No.1875737]

>>1872963
Quick Sketch no redos

[Anonymous No.1875744]

>>1875658
oh god you ruined it

[Anonymous No.1875787]

Hows this for a set of tutorials
Im a fan of this guys art

[Anonymous No.1875995]

I keep accidently drawing realistic characters.

I just want to draw little cartoon dudes, but every time I try my mind just goes "that's not correct, the eyes should be much smaller." or "what are you doing! Human legs are nowhere near that long." and then I get sad.

What the hell can I do to fix this way of thinking.

[Anonymous No.1876031]

How should I practice drawing each day?

[Anonymous No.1876052]

crit maybe?
how do you shade lips, seriously.
also why is my charcoal so coarse, like its a crayon. I see really smooth charcoal drawings.

[Anonymous No.1876060]

>>1876052
i have no idea why thats sideways, in the preview its straight :( sorry

[Anonymous No.1876075]

>>1876060
are you an iphone fag? if you edit the picture and rotate it to a sideways orientation, save it, and rotate it back, itll post the right way

[Anonymous No.1876081]

>>1876031
Meant to say, how long should I practice each day

[Anonymous No.1876125]

>>1876081
>you should be practicing right now, faggot

No, really. Start now, and you'll see how much you need ot practice instead of procrastinating here...

[Anonymous No.1876175]

>>1876075
androidfag, actually. much more annoying because the 4chan app i use uses its own preview shit.

[Anonymous No.1876209]

New >>1876206