/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.1841712]

Do you consider "anime style" to be an entry-level art style?

[Anonymous No.1841725]

No. People who try to use it as an entry level anything end up sucking.

[Anonymous No.1841728]

>>1841712
>entry level
>most people can't do it properly
no

what i consider entry level
>overly muscular men
>chibi/sd characters

[Anonymous No.1841788]

>>1841712
You got it backward
Anime artists learned realism as entry level, then used Stylization as 2nd base.

[Anonymous No.1841792]

All forms of art can be entry level art, because people enter at every level. I've met newbies ranging from thinking they'll be the next big cartoonist, to ones that think that they'll strike it big with photorealism, to ones that think that they have the foundations for the next big art movement.
Some artists start out doing shitty anime work and become great in other fields, and some people come from other fields and decide to find their niche in anime. Nothing makes it any different other than the fact that the newbies coming into anime just generally happen to be the loudest, most obnoxious, and are obsessed with showing their shit off, so you notice them more.
3/10 made me respond.

[Anonymous No.1841815]

>>1841712
yep. it's pretty easy overall.

perhaps the big issue is that it's too easy to just copy stuff you like without developing any underlying knowledge.

also it can be a bit of a bitch to break out of using 'cartoony' line choices later on.

[Anonymous No.1841820]

>>1841712
No.

But it is immitated by a lot of entry level artists.

[Anonymous No.1841824]

>>1841712
>Entry level

Entry level is always the real goddamn human face or comicbook style, once you know the RIGHT proportions and that shit you can deform them the way you like, and not only with anime, you can make anything.

[Anonymous No.1841851]

Filename

[Anonymous No.1841865]

>>1841851

still better than the stylization threads anime

[Anonymous No.1841908]

>>1841712
>>1841815

Define "entry level".

>it's pretty easy overall.

If you're saying entry level as in it's easy to master then you're wrong. It's easy to be garbage at it, as are most people. You can't just "copy stuff you like without developing any underlying knowledge", that doesn't work, because you'll be clearly garbage at it. You can't "fake" being able to do a thing or knowing a thing, and if you're going to be good at anime or any stylization at all you're going to be needing all the knowledge any artist uses.
No artist worth anything will ever tell you something like "Oh anime is easy it doesn't require any knowledge I just tape a pencil to my dick and swing it around and draw the k-ons" and if someone does say that he won't be able to prove it with his own work.

The people who shit on anime are generally those who are pretty low tier artists. They have an unwarranted sense of elitism and it gives them an ego rush to go "oh anime? pff I'm better than that ugu shit, I do REALISM, Im a real artist", but then you see their work and it's actually garbage. Great artists don't do this. They have no need to stroke their ego. If they ever feel like getting an ego rush they just pop a bottle of your jealousy tears and rub them all over their dick.

[Anonymous No.1841946]

>>1841908
what has entry level got to do with mastery?

it is easy overall, big simple blobby forms, like most cartoons. pretty easy.

if someone asked me to draw an animu i'm pretty sure i'd be able to crap one out in a couple of minutes. if they asked me to an anatomical diagram or something it would be harder.

some things are harder than others, that's a fact.

[Anonymous No.1841976]

OPs question is completely retarded and starts off with various generalizations and is basically asking for more generalizations. It's a fact that the moeblob artstyle you posted is a huge simplification, it doesn't even look good. Other than that I don't even have a good idea of what an anime artstyle is. Anime and manga hugely vary in artstyle and many don't even have the huge typical characteristics like those bug eyes.

It doesn't matter where you start. You need the same kind of refined critical thinking and also the same kind of motivation and consistency to progress. Starting off with Michelangelo could be a good entry point as well if you're able to bear the huge mental strain coming with it.

You're completely on your own on your journey to good draftsmanship. You must find your own path, but you will never be able to find your ideal path although it should exist.

[Anonymous No.1842017]

Im not so good

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842024]

>>1841946
it looks simple, but they follow strict proportions
if you can't see that, then your aesthetic sensibility hasn't matured yet
pretty sure if you tried to "crap one out in a couple of minutes" it would look horrible and when we point out how bad it is, you'd say something like "oh, it's how anime supposed to look like, isn't it?"
just stop your pathetic trolling attempts, they're pathetic

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842026]

>>1841946
it looks simple, but they follow strict proportions
if you can't see that, then your aesthetic sensibility hasn't matured yet
pretty sure if you tried to "crap one out in a couple of minutes" it would look horrible and when we point out how bad it is, you'd say something like "oh, it's how anime supposed to look like, isn't it?"
just stop your pathetic trolling attempts, they're transparent

[Anonymous No.1842037]

>>1842026
Not him, but his point that it's a simple style still stands. That they follow proportions is just proof that they were simplified from real anatomy. A simplification is a simplification and is therefore simple on purpose. The style was created to shit out drawings as fast as possible in the first place.

[Anonymous No.1842052]

Lol at all the delusional animufags itt. Fucking "refined critical thinking" that is too funny. Don't kid yourselves, it's a cartoon style you guys. Drawing anime will always be much, much easier than drawing anything in a more realistic way, and if that isn't plainly obvious than you have some serious issues with self-deception that you need to work out. Now if you wouldn't mind going back to your containment thread please.

[Anonymous No.1842053]

>>1842052
>tips flatcap
>heads back to his easel to paint his 20 hour stilllife nobody cares about

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842054]

>>1842037
my point still stands that even if he was a master of real anatomy, his anime would still look shit

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842055]

>>1842052
>realistic
*yawn
you'll grow out of that phase eventually

[Anonymous No.1842056]

>>1842054
No, your point falls apart for the fact that you will draw far better anime after you have fundamentals like anatomy down. Just look at the OP, the obvious lack of anatomy created an abomniation.

If you can't see that, then your aesthetic sensibility hasn't matured yet

[Anonymous No.1842062]

the difficult part and ironically enough easiest part about anime is to make it pleasant. by that I mean that you can't deviate from the rules. there are very strict rules when it comes to proportions but once you have them there's not much more to do. the symbols are barely worth mentioning, they're specific and varied but not difficult to learn. your construction must be flawless and the line should be deft and subtle. rigid and determined when it comes to showing anatomy, flowing and curvy when it comes to the hair and facial features. composition should optimally be about using a lot of air skillfully and showing the viewer how effortlessly you can pose the figure in dynamic poses and still construct it like it's nothing
with that said it's not very taxing on you emotionally or intellectually, it's all about expertly posing manga dolls

[Anonymous No.1842065]

>>1842056
>anatomy

Dude, you are forgetting anime is cartooning.

[Anonymous No.1842068]

>>1842065
And? There is no contradiction at all.

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842070]

>>1842056
OP is bad not because he's unfamiliar with realistic anatomy, but because his kawaii proportions are not there yet. Yes, anime is simplified from reality, but it stands on its own. For example, you could say that a cucumber is a very simplified penis, but the two are independant from each other and serve different purposes. Get vilppu to draw anime, he will get gesture right, but the face? I don't think so, thus proving my point. I'm not even sure he can draw attractive women

[Anonymous No.1842072]

>>1842068

yes there is your just dumb

[Anonymous No.1842080]

>>1842062

to extrapolate on some of these points

>rigid and determined when it comes to showing anatomy

I think the hands are the best example of this. they're correctly constructed with knowledge of hands but they're also very stiff and kind of devoid of personality even if it's subtly animated. you'll never see some milt kahl action or chomet variation going on. it's not a mistake but I'm just saying, don't put too much focus on the hands if you're doing manga or anime, they're there to hold a sword or something

>using a lot of air skillfully

it's a very japanese thing and can be traced back to ukiyo-e with their wast flat backdrops

>pose the figure in dynamic poses

add stylization and simplification of clothes as well to the list. they've even formalized the creases and shading of clothes

[Anonymous No.1842081]

>>1842070
You're still wrong in all regards.
Anime doesn't stand on its own, it's directly based of anatomy. The whole appeal lies in the fact that it's based on human anatomy. The neckbeards stroke their dicks to the very fact of having their idealized women before them. So it's based of reality both aesthetically and mentally, only warped to appeal to neckbeards. Anime sacrificed detail to shit out drawings faster, the characteristics are there to make characteristics that are especially easy to read. Asking a draftsman who knows about anatomy to draw anime won't make him draw it realistically. As long he knows about the very simple rules of anime he will be able to draw it because it's fucking easy once you have the shapes down. A cucumber is not based of a penis, but anime is based of reality. It's a creation in the first place, your analogy doesn't hold any water.
Also
>kawaii proportions
I swear animefags are the dumbest fucks or I'm being lazily baited here.
>>1842072
No there isn't, any kind of stylization is based on reality. Fuck off peasan

[Anonymous No.1842086]

>>1841946
>if someone asked me to draw an animu i'm pretty sure i'd be able to crap one out in a couple of minutes
It would probably assuming that you are good at fundamentals be something technically correct but aesthetically blunt and it would probably look nothing like anime assuming you won't hard reference another artist drawing,
if you think that you will not need to spend at least 1/3 of the time you spent on fundamentals to learn proper stylization of any kind you are delusional.

[Anonymous No.1842093]

>>1841865
Sup Ivan

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842094]

>>1842081
keep deluding yourself into thinking that your photo studies are going to help you draw animu, apfeldinger.

[Anonymous No.1842096]

>>1842094
Post your anime style then. Let's see how kawaii that shit is.

[Anonymous No.1842107]

>>1842096

Your 100000 hours of still lifes can't compete with this.

[Anonymous No.1842108]

>>1841712
the style is a means to an end, as in we gotta draw this thing thousands of times for either a comic or animation.

When you have some deviant artists spending 8 weeks on something that should take 80 seconds, yeah thats fucking entry level.

[Anonymous No.1842112]

>>1841946
Most noobs think like that because they are just at such a low level in their artistic development that they can't understand the draftsmanship that goes into good stylized work.

Feel free to prove me wrong though. Go ahead and crap out an anime / cartoon drawing in 2 minutes that doesn't look like utter shit and post it ITT.

[Anonymous No.1842115]

>>1842112
That looks unappealing to be honest. Not kawaii enough.

[Anonymous No.1842118]

How'd I do?

[Anonymous No.1842119]

>>1842115
you mean not underage enough

[Anonymous No.1842120]

>>1842118
that doesn't look like dunk-it dan. you failed the test.

[Anonymous No.1842121]

>>1842119

Sigh... you don't get it do you? Even if shes older she needs to have an 80/20 body! Child faces is critical.

[Anonymous No.1842123]

>>1842120
>tfw don't know anything about /ic/ or animu therefore idgi

[Anonymous No.1842125]

>>1842121
so you do admit you're into cartoons only because you want to jack it to them

[Anonymous No.1842126]

IS THIS ANIME?

[Anonymous No.1842128]

>>1842125
Appealing characters help you to sympathize with them, making a character that your audience wants to fuck is a strong storytelling weapon even if it's not intended that way,
same way you would sympathize with a kitten but not with a cockroach.

[Anonymous No.1842129]

>>1842128
why would you not sympathise with the cockroach. are you a sociopath?

[Anonymous No.1842132]

>>1842115
animu you need to shut up for a moment. Your much more skilled, more sophisticated older brother, western animation is trying to win an argument here.

[Anonymous No.1842133]

>>1842126

[Anonymous No.1842135]

>>1842132
If western animation is so great, why is it dead?

[Anonymous No.1842138]

>>1842125

Of course. Who wouldn't want to beat off to fictional10 year old girls?

[Anonymous No.1842143]

>>1842135
>western animation
>dead

Are you from some parallel universe where The Wind Rises won the oscar for best animated feature film and made it into the top 10 of highest grossing movies of all time?

[Anonymous No.1842144]

>>1842143
>3D

[Anonymous No.1842149]

>>1842143
western hand drawn animation*
Everything is CGI now.

[Anonymous No.1842153]

>>1842143
Nice Rosalina ripoff you got there

[Anonymous No.1842163]

>>1842149
They still make use of the same knowledge and design philosophy as is evident from the character concept art, storyboards and test animations created for those movies.

[Anonymous No.1842165]

>>1842163
That's all fine and dandy but where are the full feature films. I'm tired of 3D.

[Anonymous No.1842169]

>>1842094
Why am I not surprised that the absolute worst shitposter on this board is an animufag and not a real artist. Please dude, containment thread. Its nice and warm in there and you can talk about your waifus and children's cartoons to your hearts content.

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842174]

>>1842169
eat shit, i know more about art than you can ever imagine.

[Anonymous No.1842178]

>>1842174
And yet whenever someone tells you to post your work, you never do. Why is that, art master? Could it be that you're actually terrible at art and thus have to resort to Chinese cartoons? Could it be that you have a child's grasp on even the fundamentals of creating artwork. No surely not, just don't ask you to prove it, right?

[Anonymous No.1842184]

grabbing the popcorn

[Anonymous No.1842186]

>>1842178

Translation: I can't draw anime let alone stylize personal work cuz I'm too hung up on the 'fundamentals'.

[Anonymous No.1842187]

>>1842186
cont...so I post Disney work. I can't draw not even 1/10th as close as a Disney animator but I post work like that to make myself feel better that I will one day get there if I keep chugging out my photo studies.

[Anonymous No.1842198]

>>1842143
Oh god I hope for your sake you don't think Frozen is better in any way to The Wind Rises.

[Anonymous No.1842219]

>>1842187
Lol are you sticking up for a tripfag or sticking up for your precious animes? Don't know which one is more pathetic, really.

[Anonymous No.1842224]

>>1842169
people are tired of his shitposting in there too

[Anonymous No.1842228]

>>1842219

Both! But mostly animes.

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842234]

>>1842224
hey, i can hear you. my feelings are hurt, boo-hoo

[Anonymous No.1842261]

>>1842198
The art sure as hell is. Just like any other Disney movie.

Ghibli were never able to achieve the same draughtsmanship that their western counterparts possessed. Now that Disney and Dreamworks only do 3D movies, weebs are suddenly acting like Japan has "beaten" the west in 2D animation, when in reality, Disney and Dreamworks simply retired from it and went on to something else, but their art departments, the pure talentpool they have working for them still shits all over Ghibli.

[Tada Banri !dTxwMbodL. No.1842263]

>>1842261
>i think they're better, therefore they are

[Anonymous No.1842268]

>>1842261

3D is gay and so are you.

[Anonymous No.1842284]

>>1842143
2nd row, 3rd from left looks a bit like InCase.

[Anonymous No.1842316]

>>1842198
Why would anyone want to be as delusional as you?

[Anonymous No.1842321]

>>1842263
No they are better because anime is and always has been a nock off of disney. Anime is to western animation what a shitty rap song that samples the catchiest part of a classic is to said classic

[Anonymous No.1842327]

>>1842321
The japanese did:
Batman TAS
Animaniacs
Batman Beyond
Chip 'n Dale
Duck Tales
The Gummi Bears
Tiny Toons
Superman TAS
They're the best, the absolute best, you can't compete with them YOU JUST CAN'T

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMS_Entertainment

[Anonymous No.1842328]

FFAC came out in 2005 and still blows Frozenshit out the water in terms of quality. Checkmate Disneyfags.

[Anonymous No.1842338]

>All these cherrypicking
>All these East vs West.

Both equally have its own shit and no wonder /ic/ is filled with shitty artist and beginners, all of you are fucking arguing over internet instead of fucking practicing. Fuck you guys I'm outta here.

Also
>Ernest & Celestine is better than frozen.

Cunts.

[Anonymous No.1842339]

>>1842327
They only helped
They were cheaper at the time
These are tv animated series, not the best medium to fully show off how far animation can be pushed

[Anonymous No.1842340]

>>1842338
>Liking kiddy shit.

Frozen's better btw

[Anonymous No.1842342]

>>1842340
>Implying Frozen isn't kiddy shit

Christ, Frozenfags are the worst.

[Anonymous No.1842574]

>>1842340
Frozen was normal tier overhyped shit. It was good but gives me the feeling it wanted to be the Kill la Kill of disney films.

Kinda hyped for that popeye movie though, their art style transitions so well to 3D

[Anonymous No.1842576]

>>1842328
I wish they would make more films. I love the FF worlds but the games are so fucking tedious.

[Anonymous No.1844577]

Lol at these neckbeards sticking up for their precious animu. I bet most of them aren't even artists.

Weeaboos are truly the worst people on the internet.

[Anonymous No.1844580]

>>1844577
This. Sometimes I hate japan for creating the most cancerous fanbase in the history of the internet.

[Anonymous No.1844581]

>>1844577
But Anon you can make big bucks off them, share the love and accept Ebele in your heart.

[Anonymous No.1844582]

>>1844577

low quality bait

I suggest you attend fishing school before you try to catch fish.

[Anonymous No.1844583]

>>1844582
Are you seriously trying to tell me that weaboos's AREN'T the most autistic, cancerous fanbase to have ever been spawned?

Wipe the jap spunk from your eyes, and see the light.

[Anonymous No.1844586]

>>1844583

No, that would be the furryfags. Japan has contributed a lot to western art. I bet you're the one who doesn't draw.

[Anonymous No.1844588]

>>1844583
I have dollar sings in my eyes Anon, why can you not see the potential in this market? We got a good thing going here, don't fucking ruin this goy.

[Anonymous No.1844592]

>>1844586
>that would be the furryfags

You wish.

Weaboos are the most obnoxious people on the internet, and are the leading suppliers of cringe even today. No other fanbase compares. People don't really notice this because there are a lot of weaboos out there.

>>1844588
>Why can you not see the potential in this market?

>wanting filthy cheese dust covered weeb money
>encouraging this bland cancerous trash

not even once

[Anonymous No.1844601]

>>1844592
ignore this guy, he's a weeb himself posting for luls
his name is probably kyle too, i know that guy is retarded

[Anonymous No.1844603]

>>1844592

The term "weaboo" means someone who thinks Japan is the greatest country in the world and loves every aspect of their culture. Majority of people here probably only care about their entertainment portion--the cartoons and gaming industry. Maybe you are thinking about the word "otaku", which also just means an obsession with a specific thing; trains, food, electronics, idols, etc. That doesn't necessarily mean that person wants to be Japanese. I am clearing that up for you because you are a low bait troll, and an idiot.

There are a lot of weaboos out there because our generation (80s and 90s) has grown up with said media.

[Anonymous No.1844604]

>>1844592
>Being this mad and autistic about shut in neets who you can wallow in their Shekels by drawing their waifus.

It's like you don't want to exploit them and make money or something. This is a beautiful thing and all you need to do is tap into their desires, find what they like and you give it to them.

[Anonymous No.1844605]

>>1844601
>he's a weeb himself posting for luls

Man weebs are delusional. Is it to much to imagine that someone truly despised your generic animu shite?

[Anonymous No.1844607]

>>1844605

You also seem to be a Chad. The guy who told everyone he saw reading a comic book in class that he/she was "such a dweeb reading kids books." The guy who said "ha, that fcking loser still plays pokemon, what a child", aren't you?

[Anonymous No.1844608]

>>1844607
Nope.

[Anonymous No.1844609]

>>1844608
Anyway you are taking up my study time. Have fun pretending to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.1844610]

>>1844609
I didn't ask you to reply to me.

Have fun being a faggot.

[Anonymous No.1844611]

>>1844609
>my study time
>implying you can learn something from reading a how to draw book
>implying you are learning anything from copying

[Anonymous No.1844616]

>>1844610

You want me to reply to your bait. Your lifeforce depends on it.
>>1844611
I gots some high quality how to draw books you wish you had. Stay mad jealous.

[Anonymous No.1844622]

>>1844616
>You want me to reply to your bait.

Well guess what hombre?

You just did

[Anonymous No.1844636]

>100% shitposting
please people, we have places designated for this
>>>/s4s/
>>>/vg/81089128

[Anonymous No.1845098]

>>1842126
JOSEPH!

[Anonymous No.1845118]

>>1841712
You have to look back and consider why anime looks the way it looks. The style is very minimalistic and relies on few key face features to express the character. This is so that animators can make faster and more animations.
Essentially quantity and speed > quality.
That's not to say the style hasn't been expanded on. There are some gorgeous looking anime out there.

[Anonymous No.1845127]

>>1844580
It's strange, I actually do like old Japanese art despite it's failure on most fundamental artistic aspects. Something about the simplistic representation and colors is appealing I think. Not even on the level of European art, but still looks pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.1845128]

>>1844583
you're telling me they're worse than bronies and furries? Bro, do you even internet?

[Anonymous No.1845136]

>>1845128
*tips katana*

[Anonymous No.1845140]

>>1844580
>>1845127
The picture depicts a comedian of the era, by the way, so it's cherry picked to make Japanese art look bad

Also most impressionist artists of the 1800s were heavily influenced by Japanese art, Whistler and Van Gogh for example, so it's not without merit

[Anonymous No.1845146]

>>1845140
There's a lot of great Japanese art in terms of landscape tapestries. Went to a great exhibit in Birmingham called Lethal Beauty. Had some great landscapes, but mostly armor and weaponry. The Japanese were fucking dedicated to that craft. The armaments are gorgeous. Can't imagine the amount of time it took to make that shit.

[Anonymous No.1845189]

>>1841712
Regarding the question, it is, for people who are interested in art some way or another. It worked for me at least (Im just doing gestures all the time tho).

However weaboos just want to be part of "the culture" and end up doing those shitty drawings you guys always post in these threads. They don't care about improving and they usually drop drawing.
Basically what this guys says >>1841792

[Anonymous No.1845908]

It's like fighting. No style is necessarily superior.
You can take up technical drawing, medical illustration, fantasy illustration, decorative, muralism, fashion illustration, realistic, photorealistic, portraits, retro, cartoonish, architectural, line drawing, manga, paper art or even pastiche.

In any case, you can either be a very well-rounded artist in any of these styles or completely suck at them. Or maybe in your personal developed, the transition from one style to another seemed natural and you ended going from fantasy illustration to architectural illustration or from realistic to cartoonish, for example.

No, I don't think manga/animesque illustration is entry level but a lot of entry level artists gravitate towards manga styles because it's easy to hide your work's flaws.

[Anonymous No.1847633]

I can't stand what people call "good" anime art, i like Oda, people call his art bad but i just think is different and exotic, better than the same bland shit.

[Anonymous No.1847642]

>>1847633

He's not bad, his solo illustrations are way better then the manga. His compositions get way to fucking busy and hard to read.

[Anonymous No.1847673]

>>1847633
That's terrible, obviously someone is going to post a pic of his were he uses good perspective, but for whatever reason he didn't use it here

[Anonymous No.1848215]

>>1841712
I consider Sonic to be entry level


It sadder when people don't grow out of their sonic phases

[Anonymous No.1848217]

>>1841728
>>1841725
>>1841788
>>1841820

These niggas get it.

I don't know why I expected a bunch of backasswords replies. I've been on /ic/ for too long.