Beginner Thread #20

[Anonymous No.1834760]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up. Practice makes Perfect!

A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
http://wnyptot.com/articles/info_education/carpal_tunnel.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

Previous thread: >>1829964

[Anonymous No.1834766]

Finally got a camera and can start posting pics for critique. I've been doing these sort of torsos for about two weeks now after mainly doing the Proko bean/robo bean thing.

BTW taking pictures that aren't blurry is harder than I thought.

[Anonymous No.1834787]

>tfw when your studying wasnt good enough to make the pic in the op

>>1829964

[Anonymous No.1834789]

>tfw when your study isnt good enough to make ops pic

>>1831918

[Anonymous No.1834793]

I've drawn a lot of heads, I'm still shit.
Tomorrow is gonna be a busy day of drawing.

[/ic/ No.1834796]

I need help not sucking.

Any advice?

[Anonymous No.1834805]

>>1834766
its not really that blurry though. also, just half depress the button and it autofocuses

[Anonymous No.1834815]

le bump

[Anonymous No.1834828]

>>1834805

I took five photos and this was the only one that wasn't blurry. I think I press the button too hard and it shakes the camera.

[Anonymous No.1834840]

>>1834796
line quality, proportions, anatomy, composition

[Anonymous No.1834862]

>>1834766
You got some motion blur from shaky hand and low light. Use a tripod, Use a brighter light, increase the ISO, also turn on your auto white balance, unless you drew on orange paper or instagrammed your shit...

Torsos look nice, now add some limbs and a head

[Anonymous No.1834871]

should i just go back to basics or actually start doing the basics

[Anonymous No.1834888]

critique please? t-thanks

[Anonymous No.1834889]

>>1834871
>>1834888
bump for these

[Anonymous No.1834890]

>>1834828
what kind of camera? i know on my phone the shutter speed is so freakin slow it's almost impossible not to get some blurriness.

[Anonymous No.1834891]

>>1834796
anatomy proportions is the biggest thing

[Anonymous No.1834928]

>>1834789
Oh, sorry. I must have missed you. I go through the thread twice to make sure there are no duplicates and updates and for some odd reason I missed yours (probably because I made that picture at 3am). Sorry, will check harder next time.

[Anonymous No.1834951]

>>1834888

Draw 300 more pictures before you ask for a critique

[Anonymous No.1834955]

Study #7

[Anonymous No.1834961]

>>1834955
I just got promoted.

[Anonymous No.1834991]

>>1834955
I'd rather do a sculpture

[Anonymous No.1834992]

>>1834955
Uh..

[Anonymous No.1834993]

This is literally the first time I tried drawing a face that wasn't a cartoon. I think getting the lighting to express the contours of the face was definitely the hardest fucking part, and I did that by smearing pencil excrement on the desired areas. Please criticize.

[Anonymous No.1834994]

Everybody in these threads need to close the browser, stfu and draw for a few months before posting

[Anonymous No.1835004]

>>1834994

B-but I like seeing others progress!

[Anonymous No.1835005]

>>1834994
so the people in the beginner thread should have more experience?

i hope you get an icky eye, you prick.

[Anonymous No.1835006]

>>1835004
This. I have never posted a work here, and I want to keep seeing your progress and problems.
Basically >>1834994 you are a huge retarded, just go to in another thread.

[Anonymous No.1835026]

Study #7

I know it's not as fun as drawing a naked chick, but give it a shot. Try to pay special attention to the wings and the feathers' texture.

[Anonymous No.1835031]

Study #7.5

I know it's not as fun as drawing an owl, but give it a shot. Try to pay special attention to the perspective on the trashcan and the metal texture.

[Anonymous No.1835038]

>>1835026
Oh man do I start with a circle

[Anonymous No.1835040]

>>1835038
Remember to watch the /ic/ approved circle tutorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqsk1vZSKw

[Anonymous No.1835044]

Study #7.75

I know it's not as fun as drawing a trashcan, but give it a shot. Try to pay special attention to the perspective on the building and the desert texture.

[Anonymous No.1835050]

>>1835031
>>1835044
What do you think you're doing? It's not funny.

[Anonymous No.1835051]

>>1835040
What's the next step here

[Anonymous No.1835052]

>>1835051
paint it so it looks exactly like the photograph.

[Anonymous No.1835053]

>>1835051
You know what it is, you bitch.

[Anonymous No.1835057]

>>1835050
you're not funny yourself.

[Anonymous No.1835058]

>>1835057
I wasn't trying to be.

[Anonymous No.1835060]

>>1835050
i wasn't trying to be funny, but the fact that you thought i was trying to be funny means that you found it funny.

[Anonymous No.1835062]

>>1835060
No, I thought it was a trolling attempt to derail the thread.

[Anonymous No.1835063]

>>1835050
I thought it was funny.

[Anonymous No.1835064]

>>1835062
like i give a shit what you thought.

[Anonymous No.1835065]

>>1835062
How is posting study references trolling?

Just shut up and draw more faggot.

[Anonymous No.1835070]

>>1835065

you too

[Anonymous No.1835071]

>>1835062
i'm sorry if that trashcan and desert is not as interesting as your precious owl reference, but try your best!

[Anonymous No.1835073]

>>1835065
People might get confused.

Oh well, whatever.

[Anonymous No.1835075]

>>1835062
You must be paranoiac, these guys just posted some alternatives

[Anonymous No.1835078]

>>1835073
This. Here my reaction when i saw 4 different pics.

[Anonymous No.1835083]

Fuck I just lost all my gains, does this mean I should go back to all the fundamentals until it comes back to me?

[Anonymous No.1835085]

I'm >>1835078 being sarcastic, obviously.

[Anonymous No.1835087]

what is with you lazy nubs on here

it's like you're putting off drawing/being productive because you'd rather waste time talking shit on the internet.

ffs and you wonder why you're not good enough.

[Anonymous No.1835088]

>>1835083
ha ha very funneh. Stop posting that pic

[Anonymous No.1835091]

>>1835087
had your post a drawing of a study, it would have more merit. but alas,

[Anonymous No.1835106]

>>1834955
yeah no

[Anonymous No.1835133]

trying to reduce the shitty soft brushed look by using restricted shades and higher opacity with the brush

[Anonymous No.1835161]

>>1835083
Why does he have downs?

[Anonymous No.1835180]

Ok, let's get serious guys.

>Study #7

This image has a great range so gotta pay special attention to those values.
Also remember to do you stretching as mentioned by OP.

[Anonymous No.1835182]

>>1835180
Come on man, this isn't for beginners at all.

[Anonymous No.1835195]

>>1835182

probably... last one wasn't so easy either.
Meh, at least I will do it.

[Anonymous No.1835233]

>>1834993
don't do that, if you want to add values use crosshatching, doing what you did only makes your drawing uglier.

>read the sticky

[Anonymous No.1835254]

>>1834888
Stop copying, start with basics again if you haven't

[Anonymous No.1835257]

>>1834993
Get some reference and start doing like 100 or more. you'll grasp it eventually.
> nice sit for reference: http://artists.pixelovely.com/

[Anonymous No.1835274]

ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.1835280]

>>1835274
> mfw fullest beard

[Anonymous No.1835304]

>>1835274
ai lemeow

[Anonymous No.1835306]

>>1835180
How do i start doing a study, blocking in values or line work i have no clue

[Anonymous No.1835307]

Recently I have been drawing arms over and over until I get used to it. I'm glad I saw this method of doing the muscles of the arm so it's not too much and at the same time not too few.

[Anonymous No.1835315]

>>1835307
Thanks to that, I'm forcing myself to see how a muscle would bend if I turn or move the arm to one side or another. The two drawings with 'X' between them is a great example of something going really wrong. The muscles on the upper arm makes that part of the arm turns to the left, yet the forearm is going to the opposite directiong(anatomically impossible). I'm really enjoying this, breaking the way the arm and muscle should work is helping me know what is right and what is not way more than if I was reading and avoiding doing things wrong.

[Anonymous No.1835319]

>>1835306
>>1833614

[Anonymous No.1835320]

>>1834994
>beginner threads shouldnt exist and people who want to help others shouldnt be allowed to do so

[Anonymous No.1835321]

>>1834955
God fucking damn it /ic/ why can't i just git gud.

[Anonymous No.1835323]

>>1835306
whichever you like. lines tend to be easier for noobs. and remember if you are blocking in that you're blocking in a simple large volume version of the subject. if you try to copy the values as they are you'll end up with a patchy mess.

remember you're trying to simulate or recreate the volumes and lighting of the subject, not trying to copy the image.

[Anonymous No.1835324]

>>1835319
thank you

[Anonymous No.1835331]

I'm not going back to Loomis
I'm not going back to Loomis
I'm not going back to Loomis

[Anonymous No.1835357]

>>1834871
so im assuming this is totally fine

[Anonymous No.1835360]

I need to be consistent with my drawing times. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.1835361]

>>1835331
Seems like you should pick up Keys to Drawing first.

[Anonymous No.1835363]

>>1835331
eyes not good strange ears whats up with the nose dont draw mouths like that when you're not painting if the subject is a man weird skull.
I dont know what I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.1835364]

>>1835331

[Anonymous No.1835395]

>>1835331
I would advise to you... be prepared for it...

here it goes...


l... life drawing classes. on people. on living subjects.
also practice more. and read on the subject. thats it.
sounds simple huh?

[Anonymous No.1835397]

>>1835180

[Anonymous No.1835400]

>>1835395
yeah, I know, thing is that I've been drawing heads for to days and I have yet to understand how they work.

[Anonymous No.1835411]

Is there something like a box-rotating program, or maybe a set of pictures of a box from different points of view? I can't into 3d program stuff.

[Anonymous No.1835416]

>>1835411

google sketchup

[Anonymous No.1835419]

re-attempting digital art with this, I really don't know where to go from here as far as colors etc. mainly because I have the final design (clothing/face/details) done on paper.
And yes I know, the foot, left elbow, and right hand aren't correct

[Anonymous No.1835433]

I advise you not to open this

[Anonymous No.1835448]

I just changed tablet and this pixel-y shit happened.
what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.1835450]

Alright this is something I'm in the middle of working on. Right now idk how I'm going to manage to paint the hair, but this is everything else currently.

Note: The lineart is for the overall drawing.

[Anonymous No.1835455]

>>1835448
Reinstall the driver/ put the zoom back to 100%

>People be trippin'

[Anonymous No.1835458]

>inb4 Loomis

Even with cartoony shit I struggle with eyes. Need more practice drawing true to life, I guess.

[Anonymous No.1835466]

>>1835455
Done, its the same fucking thing.
plus brush size sensivity doesn't work

[Anonymous No.1835475]

>>1835357
added more stuff and now a golem

>>1835360
you may want to widen your spectrum of shades to more white and greys than blacks. also his mouth is not open in the source. not a bad try i think

[Anonymous No.1835479]

>>1835475
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1835484]

>>1835466
What the actual fuck, I used another Sai copy and it worked normally, but reopening it had the same settings and problems of the one I had deleted

[Anonymous No.1835509]

ayy lmao

>try to render it
>scared of it, i always fuck it up

[Anonymous No.1835512]

>>1835509
Are you afraid of cats?
ayy lmice

[Anonymous No.1835519]

>>1835397
The head and hands are too small for the body. Observe the subject more closely. Don't be afraid to exaggerate what you see while drawing in order to better understand the physicality of what you are drawing. Keep practicing!

[Anonymous No.1835564]

I dont think I'm doing this right

[Anonymous No.1835568]

wip. late to the party as always. i'll finish it tomorrow morning. i actually just wanted to try painting the skull

[Anonymous No.1835572]

>>1835475
Did some more before I saw your post.
I'll work more on it tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.1835576]

>>1835564
Help everything is weird

[Anonymous No.1835577]

I've been goind to figure drawing for all its worth by loomis and been practicing a lot pf his manikins, I think I'm getting an ok posture now but I only have a vague sense of the muscles so i can't construct them well. I just want to get good enough to make cool zelda fanart

>checkem

[Anonymous No.1835578]

>>1835576
Clean up your lines/make cleaner sketch lines
>>1835577
>>>>>

[Anonymous No.1835579]

>>1835577
forgot pic

>checkem

[Anonymous No.1835581]

>>1835577
here is pic

[Anonymous No.1835583]

>>1835577
here is pic, sorry

[Anonymous No.1835590]

>>1835106
why not? too difficult / too asian / sex icky / too many hands and feet?

sketch so far. i'll paint tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.1835652]

>>1834955
literally impossible unless you trace it. i hate the feeling of drawing from a photograph. i think im going to throw up.

[Anonymous No.1835654]

>>1835577
That's what anatomy is for. You might as well say you somehow can't manage to capture links blush with watercolors. That's because you haven't learned how yet. Mannequins don't magically transform into contour drawings.

[Anonymous No.1835659]

[Anonymous No.1835666]

Can someone redline this hoodie? its driving me nuts.

[Anonymous No.1835668]

>>1835397

this
>>1835519
and push your darks.

[Anonymous No.1835680]

>>1834955

I want a prostitute like this.

[Anonymous No.1835681]

Whose mannequins do you like the most and why? I'm thinking about picking up a mannequin process for storyboards and sketches, would like some input.

[Anonymous No.1835690]

Finished this one tonight. I was both busy at work, and took longer than I thought I would at this.

The next exercise is drawing my hand lines without looking, apparently.

[Anonymous No.1835691]

>>1835690
I need a scanner, and I fucked up. I was unable to complete the very top of the woman's hair.

[Anonymous No.1835705]

>>1835659

Sup mikufag

[Anonymous No.1835769]

>>1835590
I'm just going to start jerking it halfway through that's why

[Anonymous No.1835771]

Still working that Scott Robertson book.

[Anonymous No.1835793]

>>1835771

man I thought the top picture the pilot was facing backwards

[Anonymous No.1835815]

Is drawing from life really that much better?

[Anonymous No.1835836]

>>1835666
Did you try using a ref for that?

[Anonymous No.1835869]

Total Scrub here
Trying to get a mixture of Western and Eastern cartoon style going on. Real emphasis on the hips
How should I go about getting rid of the chicken scratching

[Anonymous No.1835891]

>>1835869
>How should I go about getting rid of the chicken scratching
just stop
for real
just force yourself to do longer lines it is that simple

[Anonymous No.1835892]

>>1835869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

i know you are trying to exaggerate the hips but it looks awkward. the crotch is too high on the body. the widest part of the hips should be even with the crotch or slightly below it, Its actually the femur that should be the widest point, look at a skeleton.

Also,when i emphasize the hips i try to make the distance between the collar bone and the waste the same as the distance between the waste and the hips. try it out.

[Anonymous No.1835894]

>>1835321
Its already not that bad, might need some more contrasted values?

[Anonymous No.1835900]

>>1835815
Yes. Being able to move around your subject helps you process how that subject sits in space. But more importantly, it's the simple fact that you are drawing something before it has been flattened out by a picture. It's all about better understanding the physical presence of what you are trying to draw. That being said, don't get too worked up about whether you're drawing something from life or from a photo. The most important thing is to just draw.

[Anonymous No.1835905]

>>1835869
1. Read the sticky.
2. Stop thinking in terms of western/eastern/moon drawing. Work on observation and being able to accurately depict what you are trying to do. Cartooning is a form of abstraction and you need to have the basics down before you can attempt to properly abstract your drawing. Think of it this way, you need to learn the basic recipe before you can start to change it, otherwise you have no idea where you may have fucked up.

[Anonymous No.1835906]

>>1835892
Feels really weird
Just gotta practice doing this now then
A quick line feels like it has no real curve, and slow just looks like crap on a tablet

I really fucking hate that guy in the Video, he looks like such a cunt

[Anonymous No.1835913]

>>1835906
>Scroto
>looks like a cunt
I ain't surprised

[Anonymous No.1835920]

>>1835906
Why does it matter how he looks like?

[Anonymous No.1835921]

>>1835026
I tried

[Anonymous No.1835922]

>>1835921
bretty gud

[Anonymous No.1835924]

>>1835920
Fuck off Scroto Baggins you furry footed faggot

[Anonymous No.1835927]

>>1835906
well the main thing you should gather from that is to use the shoulder when you draw.

and practice drawing different sized circles and ellipses before you draw. fill up a page, but make sure you do it in one motion.

[Anonymous No.1835936]

>>1835466
>>1835448
I think the previous tablet driver wasn't uninstalled, or not entirely uninstalled.
Google that shit. From what I remember, you need to delete a few .dlls in order for it to work.

[Anonymous No.1835988]

Holy shit guys, u have great refs, im staying here

[Anonymous No.1836059]

I am having a bit of a hard time understanding how her body works underneath her gazillion bows.
Either way, I learned that I am pretty shit at drawing drapery and I also apparently thought she was too young so I turned up her age by about 20 years.

[Anonymous No.1836060]

>>1835793
It's a pretty dumb design really, yeah. I wasn't thinking too hard!

[Anonymous No.1836071]

>>1836060
oh god, that would be the least aerodynamic thing ever, hahaha. it's a good drawing though.

[Anonymous No.1836078]

heres an oil painting i did. still getting used to the medium. specifically redrawing errors like the leg that is too long. at some point who gives a shit but I'd like to learn to correct mistakes before I start painting

[Anonymous No.1836093]

>>1836078
nice. but why are you posting in the beginner thread? also you should work out big anatomy flaws in pencil or something first. I usually use colored pencils to get my line work down (graphite smears and mixes with the paint), then either tone my canvas with acrylic or start painting directly on the primed canvas.

[Anonymous No.1836098]

>>1836059
arm too long on both the bicep and forearm, forearm too thick

[Anonymous No.1836100]

>>1836093
I'm something of a beginner. also this thread seems less vicious than the draw thread.

[Anonymous No.1836103]

>>1836078
the way you apply paint is adorable wtf dat style

[Anonymous No.1836105]

>>1836100
>seems less vicious than the draw thread.

the beginner threads are the only place on /ic/ where you wont be viciously buttfucked

[Anonymous No.1836111]

>>1836078

postmodernism/10

I really liked it though, even if it's anatomically incorrect, it fits very good with the theme

[Anonymous No.1836116]

>>1836111
reminds me more of modernism, what's postmodern about it?

[Anonymous No.1836118]

>>1836105
But you'll never get good with only positive feedback. Everybody needs a good butt fuck every now and then.

When you post in the beginner thread, It's like you are trying to win gold medals in the special Olympics. People just assume you're full retard and give you beginner targeted crit.

But I guess padded crit is more useful than a shit post. It's what you get for showing a bit of humility claiming to be a beginner - a small reward for not starting a new thread.

[Anonymous No.1836122]

>>1836118
thing is, most people here at /ic/ think shitting on someone= critique. saying "it sucks fucking kill urself sticky newfag lrn2 draw" is just as useful as saying "i luv it A+ kutgw". very few people here know how to give an actual, informed critique, which addresses specific flaws and offers advice for how to improve the image.

[Anonymous No.1836127]

>>1836078
I think the other leg is too short, even if the dude is leaning on it at an angle.

Some of the redder skin tones stand out a bit to much and detract from the whole but overall it's pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.1836131]

extremely new to digital and am grinding out this.

is it worth it for me to continue? is there any advice in general you could help me with?

gonna respond to some other people and try to help out. so I'm not just dumping this here and waiting like a shitlord

[Anonymous No.1836138]

>>1836127
yeah those legs are just all types of messy. the thing is im used to acrylics and being able to paint over mistakes quickly, and with oils its like i get one shot to get it right. i think ive gotta suck it up and just put some pencil on the canvas beforehand even though that can get kind of messy

[Anonymous No.1836139]

Just drew this,
Used https://i.imgur.com/LGSebL1.jpg as a model

[Anonymous No.1836141]

>>1836139
Work on making the head and body proportional, and having areas of light and dark made by shadow in your drawing. Notice how, in the picture, her left side in general is the brightest part. However, I barely see a difference in value between that left side of her hair and her face. I see almost no value changes in the shirt, and, quite simply, the entire girl is pretty much the same value. Work on contrast. I recommend that for studies you have a background that matches the background of the picture.

I also recommend toned paper for getting a feel for highlights/lowlights.

[Anonymous No.1836143]

>>1836059
if your studying form, then draw nudes, building up til you clothe them, if your drawing fabric and drapery then do studies of them and draw them seperate. I think part of the problem here was the refrence you used

the face doesn't look that bad, but you say you made her look 20. i think she looks older, the way you've put in the wrinkles in her face. you can lighten them a bit, making her look younger then 40 but more around 20.

values seem to be off, especially with your face. the one side seems to be very dark, one of the darkest in the picture aside from the illumitati triangle that her arm and hand are making and her hair. the triangle is the darkest and when I look at this long enough my eye gets pulled between the two points of triangle and face. then it gets pulled to the elbow, and the values are off too.

Imagine your shading on a scale between 0-8
most of your drawing is in 0, that is, no value
the darkest parts are your 8, that is the hair and the triangle. the thing i seem to be seeing is that you are spending most of your values on 7 and 8(the face and hair are close to the same tone), and 0-1 (1 being that light hatching on her dress)

try to vary your tones, but make them lighter. light hatching can be a useful tool in this regard, decreasing the distance of the lines creates darker values.

TLDR version; your tones are off. too dark and in places they shouldn't be. that and her right hand, is that her fingernail on her pinky going to the bend of her finger?

[Anonymous No.1836147]

>>1836141
By "have a background that matches the background of the picture," do you mean draw the background?

[Anonymous No.1836151]

>>1836139
like I said to >>1836059
the darkest part is generally where our eyes are led, so we are first led to her black void of a t-shirt, then to her heavy mascara-ed eyes vary your lights and dark's more, she seems too single toned. also some symbol drawing on her face has happened. you didn't study the picture to observe the shape of her face, you thought " heads are oval, i'll start with an oval"
and placed the eyes, nose and moth accordingly. this is one of the most difficult things to surpass. you need to stop knowing what the shape of the head is and observe what it truly is, where it bends and dips. the same has happened for her neck, and you should be able to she her clavicle but you cannot

your two biggest flaws here and proportion due to symbol drawing and values as in there isn't much change in them . hope this helps

[Anonymous No.1836152]

>>1836118

[Anonymous No.1836153]

>>1835180
fucked it up but whatever :I

[Anonymous No.1836154]

>>1836143
ignore the first bit of this, didn't see that it was a study in this thread lol

[Anonymous No.1836159]

>>1836151
Yes it does, thanks
I'm still working on construction

What can I draw to get a better grasp on value?

[Anonymous No.1836173]

>>1836159
grab a ruler or a straight edge. make a long rectangle and divide it into about 9 squares. number them, left to right, 0 to 8 . 0, the furthest left one is blank, then go from left to right, making each square increasingly dark. 8 should be your darkest. try your best to make it an even transition. then once you have done this, look at your picture. what numbers do you see?

the key is balance. to many like values will blend, to many different values will split the picture up. for your pic, her skintone and the background are very, very similar, but the shirt is the most different tone, darker then most of her shadow even. I also would suggest you use 0 more often. the hair is one of the brightest parts of her and it has a tone only slightly lighter then skin, but her inner thigh on her right leg is a 0 .

I don't want to be that guy but the sticky does help. id suggest going to youtube and searching proko, to help inprove for hair. it helped me and it looks like your struggling with "spagettihair" like I was

good luck. I gotta go to work but i'd like to see you post something again after doing the tone squares and watching some proko, that's if your up for it

[Anonymous No.1836231]

>>1836153
I came

[Anonymous No.1836242]

>>1836059
Here's attempt number 2.

[Anonymous No.1836274]

>>1836153
not bad

[Anonymous No.1836275]

>>1836173
I constructed the shit out of my face and tried doing the values thing. Obviously I need to keep trying

[Anonymous No.1836284]

>>1836275
I can see that you tried to map out the planes of your face but when you started to add value it looks like you completely disregarded them. There is also no rhythm in your drawing. The values are made up of barely controlled lines that are flying off in every direction. Pay attention to thinks like that and work slower. This isn't a gesture drawing.
Finally, think about your values more. This may be partially a fault in the reproduction but the entire drawing is essentially made up of three to four muddy values. Remember, contrast is key.

[Anonymous No.1836289]

>>1836284
What do you mean rhythm?

[Anonymous No.1836308]

>>1836153
>that thumbnail
lol this sure is a piece of cr--
>open it
Hmm, not bad at all, actually.
I think there are some proportion issues, specially on the head, but it's pretty nice man.

[Anonymous No.1836322]

>>1836289
Essentially its the repetition of an element that can help tie a drawing together.
For example, >>1836153. The values in that drawing are made from similar lines, in repetition, over and over again. Any area that needs a value has those lines moving parallel, over and over. The way you created your values was clearly done by moving the pencil back and forth along the curve of your wrist. Some are straightened out, others aren't. Combine this with the fact that a lot of values are very similar leads to a series of lines pointing every which way.
Basically don't break direction of the lines while adding value.
I tried to find you something useful to read but the internet is overflowing with shitty art sites that don't explain the subject properly. Look around for some art books, they deal with things like this a lot more in depth and a lot more eloquently than I can.

[Anonymous No.1836334]

[Anonymous No.1836341]

>>1836173
>suggesting Scroto
Top fucking lel

[Anonymous No.1836372]

dicking around, the bottom is the direction i was drawing from and the arrows are the way the line went, using a crow quill.

[Anonymous No.1836395]

>>1836372
does the middle thing represent your sexual orientation?

[Anonymous No.1836405]

>>1836395
i set it up so i would have to go in 8 different directions. and a curved line is the hardest of these for me to keep going over reliably.

[Anonymous No.1836407]

>>1836405
oh you're just practicing strokes?

[Anonymous No.1836412]

>>1836341
Proko is a decent draughtsman who teaches the basics of perspective, construction and the Watts atelier approach to figure drawing in an easy to understand manner, catering to absolute beginners such as yourself. No idea why you would hate on the guy for that. Then again, you don't sound like an artist but rather like some shitter who'd post on some shit board like /v/ how much he hates person xy.

[Anonymous No.1836434]

>>1835180
i don't know why my phone takes square pictures.
am i the only one who never can do lineart? this one took me 5 tries to get it to a stage where the relationships were passable but i can still see all sorts of screwed up angles.
also, i have no idea what's going on in her torso because the bows make it really hard to read for me.

[dobedey/du No.1836443]

gonna dump a few screenshots from my studies, any tips are appreciated.

[dobedey/du No.1836444]

[Anonymous No.1836448]

>>1834955
I need a sauce on this

[Anonymous No.1836450]

>>1835180
I'm not technically a beginner, but I still feel like one

[dobedey/du No.1836452]

[dobedey/du No.1836454]

cant find the reference photos

[dobedey/du No.1836457]

dont know what i was trying to do here :P

[dobedey/du No.1836459]

no refs

[dobedey/du No.1836461]

gesture drawings

[dobedey/du No.1836465]

more generic heads and some courage

[dobedey/du No.1836466]

how do i make my artwork more expressive?

[Anonymous No.1836469]

>>1836459
>>1836461
>>1836465
>>1836466

For every bunch of quick lose things like this try one more involved, cleaned up piece, use your eraser to do reductive drawing too.

As for making something more expressive there's a whole manner of things you can do, color schemes, composition, studying different methods of stylization and expressions, etc.

[Anonymous No.1836470]

sketching poses for CB weekly football challenge. 3 small figures on top left are warm up studies.
>tfw no crit again

[Anonymous No.1836485]

>>1836131
Posting update since first one got no attention
>>1836341
please go back to /v/ shitposter, everyone knows proko is good for beginners
>>1836470
I have to say i love the gestures and motion you captured in these, I think the pose for the girl throwing the ball could have been more exaggerated though. other then that I really like this. maybe the lack of crits is because people in this thread actually enjoy your work

[Anonymous No.1836489]

>>1836485
said posting update without posting pic for update. good work champ

[Anonymous No.1836492]

>>1836470
Lack of crit might mean u should upgrade to draw or style thread

But these are nice, are they from imaginuu?

[Anonymous No.1836497]

>>1836489
Forgive the rudeness, but wee you even looking at the picture?

[Anonymous No.1836506]

No idea what I'm doing. I just wanted to take a break from gesture drawing.

[Anonymous No.1836508]

>>1836497
yes, please elaborate, because I did this as a value study but would like to fix proportion (is it because the face isn't narrow enough?)

[Anonymous No.1836509]

>>1836497
>>1836489
What he said, you're not utilizing the reference correctly. I reccomend learning a bit of anatomy and getting the proportions down pat.
Plus, don't be afraid to do ears the only way to get better at them is to practice.

[Anonymous No.1836514]

>>1836509
OK I will keep proportion more in mind (I honestly forgot about the ears too)

[Anonymous No.1836520]

So I've been practicing gesture recently. I read through Hampton's and Vilppu's sections on gestures as well as watched proko's video one it.

I can't help but feel something is wrong with the gestures I'm drawing. Can someone point out whats wrong with it and give me tips on how I could fix it?

[Anonymous No.1836531]

>>1834955
symbol drawing everywhere. how do you draw little faces in detail?

(1/2)

[Anonymous No.1836532]

>>1836531
>>1835026
i got lazy on the left wing and fucked up the shape of the spread a little

(2/2)

ill do the other study of the girl tomorrow

[Anonymous No.1836545]

>>1836492
Yeah, imaginuu. I guess ill try style thread. I would post on CB, but the community is so small, even smaller than permanoobs.

[Anonymous No.1836552]

>>1835180

here's mine so far. Still figuring out hot to apply white and graphite together.

[Anonymous No.1836567]

>>1835892
how are you supposed to do this on a tablet?

[Anonymous No.1836580]

>>1836552
usually you only use the white for highlights. if you use it all over the place it doesn't pop much. there's tendency to like use heaps of white because when you put a bit on it looks great, so you're like "the more the poppier!" and you put all the light-side values above the tone of the paper and oops the effect is gone.

but obviously you can use it however you like, that's just the general guideline.

[Anonymous No.1836586]

>>1836552
>>1836580

mhm, I see. THe problem with this that I had was that since it's a white shirt... how could I use this paper to show that. But probably color is distracting me from the overall values. both the color of the imagen and the paper.

Here's another, digital.

[Anonymous No.1836658]

>>1835180
Here is my initial progress at doing the drawing with the construction lines.

[Anonymous No.1836659]

>>1835180
Stage 2 with the fabric put in place. I am going to use vine charcoal for the shadow areas and will apply that next.

[Anonymous No.1836669]

>>1836659
just stop and go read some vilppu or hampton

[Anonymous No.1836675]

So what constitute as cheating in these artist study?
Obviously tracing but are things like picking values from the image or having the same canvas size or even smudging, count as cheating?

[Anonymous No.1836679]

>>1836675
>cheating
>in a study

That depends entirely on how hard you want to learn man.

The only person you are cheating is yourself, so you decide where the line goes.

The easier it is, the less you learn. Use that as a rule of thumb and stop asking us for validation at every turn.

[Anonymous No.1836680]

>>1836659
You need to be a lot more cautious about construction.
Try Betty Edwards before anything else. And use angles/proportions/shapes.

[Anonymous No.1836683]

>>1836675
Nothing is cheating if it helps you to learn.
Even tracing can be used by begginers. It helps you to see foreshortening, perspective, landmarks. But of course it's no use if you just mindlessly copy the lines.

[Anonymous No.1836688]

>>1836679
>>1836683
I guess but I'm just curious what everyone's standards are

[Anonymous No.1836691]

>>1836688
My standard is: If you can't do it on a paper while drawing a live model don't do it.

You can enforce that rule by... drawing a live model on a paper.

[Anonymous No.1836693]

>>1836274
Thanks man
>>1836308
Thanks, yeah after sleeping a night and looking at it again I see lot's of mistakes.
Too big hands, arm on the left side is way to small, she's leaning too far to the left, head is squished.
gonna do another one and see if I can't do it better.
>>1836242
Face is better, doesn't look like an old lady anymore, keep it up.

[Anonymous No.1836725]

>>1834796
your proportions, anatomy, weight and perspective (space) need work. It comes of as flat but not in a graphic stylized way.
Look up reference trace the volumes (as in draw through the form to understand it) then redraw it without tracing while again draw the form. Even features like animu style eyes and mouths follow form and need to wrap around the face in a mildly believable way or else it comes of as amateurish. Remember to construct with volumetric under drawings until it becomes second nature, this is why being able to draw a sphere that can be tilted is so crucial to understanding how you can make an object sit in a space instead of being flat.

[Anonymous No.1836729]

>>1834871
it seems to spontaneous and unplanned or badly done from reference, sketch and break the forms if its from reference so you can understand how they work or if its from imagination work the fuck ton out of thumbnails so you know definitely what you want to do (at least 8).
Simplifying the trees shadows would be if there was consistency with how they sit but you don't even have aground and as soon as a you start detailing it if it doesn't sit properly with the trees the perspective will be completely off.

[Anonymous No.1836742]

>>1835180
This is my first time doing this, I guess this is a good time to see what I can improve before I get too invested

[Anonymous No.1836750]

>>1836742
also I forgot to mention I'm having a hard time getting the eye looking nice

[Anonymous No.1836758]

fuck hatching, do you guys have any tips/tricks/techniques/videos/tutorials/basically anything that can help me with this stuff?
Thanks

[Anonymous No.1836762]

Has anyone ever hurt their wrist from drawing?

I've stopped drawing for about a week and it doesn't hurt anymore but it's still kind of sore. Would it be smart to start drawing again if I try to use my shoulder and elbow?

[Anonymous No.1836766]

>>1836762
yes. it's common. it can be anything from a good sign that your body is adjusting your physiognomy to help you draw better to carpal tunnel syndrome.

draw big, draw with your shoulder, make sure you aren't squeezing the shit out of your pencil and look up a carpal tunnel prevention guide on the internets.

[Anonymous No.1836769]

>>1836750

If you want to make a study, know your shit first.
Even if it's a "study", you can use proportions and gesture -that's the point (no point adding value without a base). Not just mindless painting.

[Anonymous No.1836795]

>>1836769
I do have a base, I just turned it off

[Anonymous No.1836813]

>>1836758
Take a long piece of graphite ("lead"), the thick one used in clutch pencils, and slide it horizontally. Drag it across the surface, to create a single tone.

[Anonymous No.1836826]

>>1836742
everything is good, but i recommend pulling the hair down. It almost looks like she's wearing a hat

[Anonymous No.1836906]

Finished an old half done portrait study.

[Anonymous No.1836940]

If any of you use/used Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, what did you use as a Picture Plane and Viewfinder?

I just asked a buddy that went out to see if he can find a picture frame with a glass/hard plastic pane and 1 or 2 acetate sheets. I got some cardboard lying around to use for the picture frame.

[Anonymous No.1836941]

>>1836906
The hair feels a bit lacking compared to the rest of it but this is not bad

[Anonymous No.1836942]

Oh look, the cowardly faggots come here to shy away from real crit.

Nice little pink hugbox you cunts have here.

Stay shitty.

[Anonymous No.1836943]

>>1836941
He's right. It's not bad.

It's fucking awful.

[Anonymous No.1836946]

>>1836943
Let's see yours

[Anonymous No.1836960]

>>1836946
Just ignore him, he's here to annoy and to get some attention.

[Anonymous No.1836980]

>>1836960
> anonymous
> attention
Your not too bright are you

> show your work
Die in a fire

[Anonymous No.1837034]

>>1835026

Fuck your study, i did it without inspiration

[Anonymous No.1837036]

>>1837034

Fuck, didn't resize

[Anonymous No.1837037]

first digital piece that's not a study, how'm I doin?

[Anonymous No.1837042]

I've been staring at heads for two hours now, and I still have no idea how should I split it into parts. So far I came up with this. How is it?

[Anonymous No.1837047]

>>1837042

Well, after that you are supposed to start the drawing process of shadow areas, halftones, highlights and shit.

[Anonymous No.1837051]

>>1837047
I was talking about the building process.

[Anonymous No.1837052]

>>1835180
>>1836153
Another try, Think the overall proportions are better, but the face is all bug-eyed.
There's always something :(

[Anonymous No.1837054]

>>1837051

The building process is just a way to make proportions correct. If you don't construct your drawing you will have the problem of seeing disproportions as something normal.

You can verify this if you flip your drawing horizontally and vertical. Your brain after a while makes the disproportions somewhat familiar so you can't notice them. You construct the face to avoid that problem.

So basically, construct until you feel that you have the proportions of everything important, and from there start drawing

[Anonymous No.1837058]

>>1837052
the nose is flat and her left eye looks wrong - where's the upper eyelid?

[Anonymous No.1837062]

>>1837054
That's what I was doing. I was asking if i did it correctly.

[Anonymous No.1837075]

>>1837052
It looks like you got too frustrated and used thick lines everywhere on her face. You can push the contrast on the focal point, but keep in mind where the darks are and draw accordingly.
the shape of the left eye is off too.
Still the best study in this thread though, are you the guy who drew the black haired woman in the previous thread?

[Anonymous No.1837082]

>>1837062

nigga you ask such deep questions that i can't reply correctly.

Some fuckers have their head so deform that you don't even can comprehend how they got that shit up their neck and still get their body up to some pi proportion and shit, so i can't acknowledge what construction you are meant to do with that shit because i have no refrs and no shit to understand what the fuck are you trying to do, so i better expect you finish it and when it it's finished you can see if it's okay or not, if it fucking sucks you start another one and that until you get to master level you fucking pleb it's that simple you see it?

[Anonymous No.1837086]

>>1837082
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.1837091]

>>1836942
pretty sure the whole point of these threads is to get critiques and feedback you fucking shithead

[Anonymous No.1837092]

>>1837091
indeed, crit like this is very productice
>>1836941

you stupid bitches need to stfu and draw

[Anonymous No.1837093]

>>1837058
>>1837075
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.
Getting frustrated on her face is pretty much what happened, did it a couple of times over but it didn't get better.
Have a problem with faces anyway, think I need to step out of my comfort zone more.
And this is the first beginners thread I've posted in so I can't take credit for the black haired woman.

[ArtGolfer No.1837099]

>>1835180
I just got through adding some vine charcoal to shadow the hair, face and dress.

[Anonymous No.1837103]

>>1837037

[Anonymous No.1837104]

>>1837103
a poop monster, mmuh nightmares

[Anonymous No.1837110]

>>1837086

great

[Anonymous No.1837229]

I tried my best

[Anonymous No.1837232]

>>1836532
>>1836531
this guy here. this is what i came up with for >>1835180

[Anonymous No.1837239]

>>1834888
That is kind of like a piece I did last year. Keep practicing is what I need to do.

[Anonymous No.1837290]

I'm kinda stuck without that shitty viewfinder. From what I can figure, the part I'm at in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is basically grid drawing. I'm thinking of just taking a picture of my hand and put lines in it to apply the same concept, except that I would be copying it all from zero, instead of little by little like the way it's suggested in the book.

>>1836448
Airi Suzumura.

[Anonymous No.1837295]

Tryna start drawing again, oh man it was going alright until I started trying to shade.

Also had to make lines darker so they'd show up in the pic.

also hands r hard

[Anonymous No.1837343]

I'm still practicing gestures but I have not receive feedback from anyone. Am I doing this right? Also anyone have tips on how to improve my gesture drawings?

I already read through Hampton and Vilppu's section on gesture and watched promo's videos on it. I want to hear advice from other artists and their take on gestures.

[Anonymous No.1837347]

>>1837343
too flat. you need to learn to draw things in space first. then you can go back to gestures after you've developed a better understanding.

[Anonymous No.1837348]

>>1837347
How would I go about learning to draw things in space? Would that be practicing live drawing or something else?

[Anonymous No.1837356]

>>1837348
If anyone could answer this, it would be much appreciated.

I'm still new to this and is drawing in space referring to the negative/positive space or the perspective? I'm sorry for a newbish question but I would like to know so I can look more into it.

[Anonymous No.1837361]

>>1837356
theres a thread for questions

[Anonymous No.1837366]

>>1837361
Sorry I didn't know. I thought the beginner thread was the right place to ask these questions.

[Anonymous No.1837393]

>>1837229
I can see that, It's good that you worked with a pen. But that doesn't mean you can't use guidelines, you have to spend a lot more time measuring angles and shapes. And you'll see the guidelines will almost disappear under your hatching.

>>1837343
A decent start. Your lines could be much more confident for gestures especially since proportions don't matter that much during that part of the drawing. Also don't draw contour, mostly interior lines and cross contour. Try to copy some gestures made by vilppu or hampton first to understant the way the lines LEAD the eye.

[Anonymous No.1837406]

>>1837393
I tried doing gestures the way I saw it in the Vilppu book but my drawings came out all messy. I will try to see what I can do about that. Thank you very much for your input.

[Anonymous No.1837450]

>>1837229
lewis carrol is that you?

[Anonymous No.1837502]

I suck so much pls point out all the flaws. His right arm is going to be replaced by an artificial arm btw.

Thank you senpai.

>also sorry for chickening

[Anonymous No.1837524]

>>1837232
work on your values man.

[Anonymous No.1837526]

>>1837502
Improve on your line work. Practice better line work even when doing sketches.

[Anonymous No.1837529]

>>1837526
I´ll do. Though I´d like to know whether the proportions/anatomy/pose have any fuckups in them.

[Anonymous No.1837536]

My first digital landscape, took at least 5 hours to do.

Its from imagination, but i used some refs for the cliffs.

any tips /constructive criticism would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1837542]

>>1837536
funky. but don't scribble.

[Anonymous No.1837578]

I've been doing a lot of gesture but decided on trying some head construction what does /ic/ think? I realize i fucked up and made the eyes and the eyebrow ridge too far up.

[Anonymous No.1837637]

>>1837524
whats wrong with mine?

[Anonymous No.1837698]

>>1836659

[Anonymous No.1837703]

>>1836658
>>1836659

[Anonymous No.1837719]

I've been doing the first two exercises of Keys to drawing for a few weeks. Here's what I did yesterday. Porportions are throwing me way off and it's driving me crazy. I don't know what to do, besides keep trying to get it right. I have problems with "holding" contours, I think, as well as juts making straight lines. Any advice for making straight lines, too?

[Anonymous No.1837720]

>>1837719

[Anonymous No.1837725]

So guys, what are your plans for today?

I'm looking at a five and a half hour day to finish off my week.

[Anonymous No.1837747]

>>1835180
Wip. What is a hand? How is an eye?
Maybe I'll know that when I wake up.

[Anonymous No.1837755]

>>1837747
Ah ah ah ah ah

The nose is a symbol. Nip that in the bud.

[Anonymous No.1837797]

>>1837725
I just woke up, it's 2pm. My body is ready - it's time to draw.

[Anonymous No.1837844]

i cant seem to get really dark values without it being 'grainy' is it my paper? im using strathmore 400 series.

also, thoughts on this?

[Anonymous No.1837851]

>>1834760
where did i fuck up?
this took me one hour

[Anonymous No.1837854]

>>1837851
the redness on the nose
tone it down, blend it more

[Anonymous No.1837878]

So, the more I read KTD, I get a sense of what Im going to be studying for a year as a beginner before getting into figure drawing. I already know the best perspective books.

But, what books does /ic/ rec that is dedicated only to shading, and dedicated only to texture. And should I read the perspective books before or after the texture books?

And, should I read another beginner books like KTD(pic related) after Im done with KTD before moving onto the shading book?

[Anonymous No.1837880]

>>1837878
forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.1837890]

>>1837844
tried going over it with an 8B. it still looks really scratchy though

[Anonymous No.1837893]

>>1837890
>>1837844

forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1837896]

>>1837893

Thats because you're drawing with lines instead of laying down tones.

[Anonymous No.1837899]

>>1837851
You stretched the head a bit making your philtrum look a bit long, also some of your shading is a bit darker than it should be and some bit is a bit lighter like the area below the eye.

for things like these it usually help me to stand up for a bit and come back to get a new idea of where I'm at

[Anonymous No.1837900]

>>1837896
so just fill it?

[Anonymous No.1837906]

>>1837900

Shave the tip of your pencil so you have a good inch or so of exposed lead. Lay the pencil on it's side and use that edge for blocking in values. You'll get an even tone.

[Anonymous No.1837909]

>>1837854
>>1837906
thanks guys

[Anonymous No.1837911]

>>1837906
this is the best i could get after going over everything with a good amount of pressure and its still pretty grainy.

[Anonymous No.1837912]

>>1837911

Rough paper will always have a texture.

The more pressing issue is your line work.

[Anonymous No.1837914]

>>1837912
what specifically? i know with the shading i messed up some of the ruins but that was out of frustration

[Anonymous No.1837921]

>>1836906
Which program are you using?

[Anonymous No.1837935]

>>1837914

Your shading looks very scribbly.

Really, everything is wrong. The paper is the last thing you should be worried about. Read a book on perspective.

[Anonymous No.1837942]

>>1837878
>>1837880
... FUCK YOU /ic/, I HATE ALL YOU ALL DEEP DOWN AND ALL AROUND! *throws paper ball right at your stupid fucking face and storms off*

[Anonymous No.1837958]

>>1837935
its supposed to ryleh from the hp lovecraft mythos. ryleh has 'non-euclidean' geometry so i just drew 'impossible' geometry. unless you were referencing something else

[Anonymous No.1837960]

>>1837942
well did you go through the free art books thread and find something that matches your needs?


to the person who makes these threads, please add something in the OP that says these threads are for posting beginner level drawings and getting critiques/feedback on them.

[Anonymous No.1837964]

>>1837960
I dont think you understand. Every art pro at /ic/ probs has read like a 100 art books. I expect the average /ic/ pro to tell me what the best shading book is and texture book is. You guys told me that KTD is best beginner book. Perspective made easy is best perspective book. Loomis is best human figure book. So tell me what best shading and texture book is, pl0x.

[Anonymous No.1837966]

>>1837964
You're acting like you absolutely need a book to get good at drawing something. Stop acting like a dingus, study how the masters do it. Practice, observe and keep repeat, repeat, repeat. And for Christ's sake, how hard is it to fucking google it.

[Anonymous No.1837988]

>>1837966
Except that all that googling will do is bring up multiple rec books. So, mind telling me which is the best one of these three, dipshit? All the art pros probs read all three!

bull fucking shit, I dont need a book. According to your logic, Me, someone who has been drawing for less than a year, can teach me how to draw better than an expert like the creators of all the books /ic/ recs. Sure I might learn to draw well in the end, but I assume it will be more helpful and quicker to learn from an expert.

>study how the masters did it
>Practice, observe and keep repeat, repeat, repeat
what the fuck are you even talking about? I think you were trying to sound clever about saying drawing from reference. You do realise thats what Ive been the whole time when going through KTD.

You know what, Im starting to think ur not an /ic/ art pro! Show me your best drawing so I can properly laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.1837997]

>>1837988
ill go with the top one, it has the same rating as the other two but an assload of more ratings. wow that was so hard.

[Anonymous No.1838001]

>>1837997
lol, ok, thanks!

[Anonymous No.1838004]

>>1838001
youre welcome. will you tell me what you think of this?
>>1837911

[Anonymous No.1838005]

>>1838004
bad.

[Anonymous No.1838007]

>>1838005
whats wrong with it

[Anonymous No.1838011]

>>1838007
ur not an /ic/ art pro! *storms off*

[Anonymous No.1838013]

>>1838011
well we are in the beginner thread. but whatev be like that then.

[Anonymous No.1838021]

>>1838011
*teleports behind u*
Not so fast
*puts on flame shirt and fedora*
If u would've listened to Loomis...
*unsheathes katana and grabs rose*
*sigh* too bad u dident lisen 2 us...

[Anonymous No.1838037]

Starting to get the hand of this, I feel. I gotta improve the obvious lazy shit.

[Anonymous No.1838095]

>>1838037
values and rendering look good. proportions and form are awful though. start measuring. face doesnt represent the studies face either

[Anonymous No.1838096]

Chickenscratch, ahoy. Still just trying to get drawing accurate proportions down. Will try to finish the face tomorrow.

I'm thinking about tracing my last dozen or so studies as an exercise purely to improve my line quality. Will that help, or is it dumb and I should stick to drawing them better the first time around?

[Anonymous No.1838115]

>>1838096
proportions seem pretty decent. check the negative space on both sides to be sure.

[Anonymous No.1838417]

[Anonymous No.1838438]

After doing some studies I tried to draw something myself.

Failed miserably. Time to go back to studies.

[Anonymous No.1838573]

>>1835180
Well this went waaay over my limits. But still, was fucking fun.

[Anonymous No.1838622]

New: >>1838616

This >>1835180 opening study picture was picked since most of you chose to try it over the other pictures posted.

[Anonymous No.1840209]

Rate my painting please

[Anonymous No.1840336]

>>1835869
lel