Beginner Thread #11

[Anonymous No.1800619]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

You are a beginner if it still says so in the sticky, so Absolute Beginner and Beginner.

Practice Practice Practice!

Previous thread: >>1795711

[Anonymous No.1800636]

>>1800619
>loomis

[Anonymous No.1800655]

>leloomis

[Anonymous No.1800689]

The last few days and today i just don't feel it. I'm going through hampton at the moment. I still read and do the practices but i don't enjoy them as much as i am supposed to and used to, and probably do less of them because of that.
Any advice to keeping my drive while going through the fundamentals?

[Anonymous No.1800707]

>>1800689
It was pretty slow last week but i'll keep going.
Anon I have the same situation while Im learning Hampton vids it can get dry, so make sure to also draw stuff you like.

[Anonymous No.1800708]

>>1800707
Said fun stuff heh even though its shit

[Anonymous No.1800712]

>>1800708
Your drawings are good and i am not mocking you but i just had to make this after i saw that face

[Anonymous No.1800715]

>>1800712
haha Loomis all hail Loomis.
At the time I was straight up copying early Tsutomu Nihei from Blame

[Anonymous No.1800726]

>>1800619
There this pic from? Looks familiar

[Anonymous No.1800727]

>>1800707
the ass is phat

[Anonymous No.1800743]

>>1800712
>your drawings are good
Don't lie to the guy

[Anonymous No.1800763]

>>1800712
I laughed

[Anonymous No.1800773]

>>1800707

How are people fucking up hampton gestures, it is pretty straight forward.

[Anonymous No.1800775]

>>1800773
It was a first attempt, I'll come back when i've done two more pages

[Anonymous No.1800778]

>>1800773
i don't know how people can stand to learn from hampton after what happened.

[Anonymous No.1800779]

>>1800778
what happened?

[Anonymous No.1800780]

>>1800775

You mean 100 more? Like what he suggested?

[Anonymous No.1800784]

>>1800780
Well its a suggestion,100 in a week is really getting the idea down. For now im aiming for 12 a day since im still at school

[Anonymous No.1800792]

>>1800779
just the usual inappropriate ..interactions with a student.


..who commited suicide.

[Anonymous No.1800800]

>>1800792

Didn't know he was that type of guy...

[Anonymous No.1800810]

>>1800792
source

[Anonymous No.1800813]

>>1800810
>>1800792
>>1800779
>>1800778

You girls need to mind your own fucking business.

[Anonymous No.1800821]

>>1800712
>recommend Loomis
>another budding artist claimed

[Anonymous No.1800833]

>>1800792
Bullshit

[Anonymous No.1800836]

>>1800821
I could just have written 'by applying construction', but i though Loomis would be more fun.

[Anonymous No.1800840]

>>1800821

[Anonymous No.1800841]

I've been fucking around in photoshop for awhile.

[Anonymous No.1800865]

>>1800841
Zappa.

[Anonymous No.1800880]

So what is the fucking consensus on Loomis, hearing too much controversy over this nigga.

[Anonymous No.1800887]

>>1800880
Good starter pack, I think most people moved on quickly because they thought they were too good for his blook things. Either way he's solid, but dont just take my word for it

[Anonymous No.1800893]

>Get a bit bored of only doing exercises in the books
>Decide to do 2nd drawing from imagination ever
>Get cursed by autismio the clown
At least the only way is up from here

[Anonymous No.1800974]

>>1800792
Who cares. Most artists or at least the ones worth remembering had problematic personal lives.


His work =/= His private life.
>Inb4 He didn't separate the two, so why should i.


If you can't separate the two, tumblr/reddit is that way >>>/out/
You can even get a badge for being a cool internet warrior there, tehee.

[Anonymous No.1800979]

>>1800841
Bridget

[Anonymous No.1800996]

>>1800778
>There's rumours that A is a bad person.
>therefore
>A's a bad artist and you can't learn from him
Nope, does not follow. Whatever happened is irrelevant to learning to draw, which is the fucking point of all of this.

Real question: does anyone else have problems with gestures for simple poses? I think I _feel_ it pretty okay when the pose is all whack, but when it comes to a person just standing there with one foot simply moved to the front, I can't seem to grasp what's happening.

[Anonymous No.1800999]

>>1800974
yeah but vilppu is a living saint, so why learn from that murderer hampton

[Anonymous No.1801004]

>>1800999
What's with some peoples weird fixation of demonizing tutors?
First loomis and now this.
I wouldn't care if the best anatomy book ever was written by Joseph Stalin i would still read that shit.

[Anonymous No.1801007]

>>1800996
post your gestures

[Anonymous No.1801016]

>>1800996
>I think I _feel_ it pretty okay when the pose is all whack, but when it comes to a person just standing there with one foot simply moved to the front, I can't seem to grasp what's happening.

Yeah I'm having trouble with those as well. My gestures aren't all good mind you, but when a person is just standing there it's hard for me to find a line of action and follow it. Tips, anyone?

[Anonymous No.1801017]

>>1800880
If you're a beginner pick up loomis for sure, the thing most people don't understand is that you have to come back to the book multiple times. You definitely wont learn everything in one sitting. Learn from it as much as you can, move on, then come back and pick up what you missed.

[Anonymous No.1801018]

>>1801017
but i heard loomis once threw his dog off a ski lift.

[Anonymous No.1801022]

>>1801018
I've been learning some techniques from this obscure artist named Hitler, maybe you could try him.

[Anonymous No.1801024]

>>1801022
Why on earth would you do that? He wasn't even accepted into art school.

[Anonymous No.1801026]

>>1801024
Because Hampton raped and killed a girl in 1990.

[Anonymous No.1801027]

>>1801024
Art school facist, putting Hitler-chan down.

[Anonymous No.1801028]

>>1800708
man, are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.1801029]

>>1801024
I still find it hilarious that World War II would never have happened if Hitler was accepted into art school.

[Anonymous No.1801030]

>>1801027
please he deserved it, you know he made his art for some jews to sell in their shops. and his commanding officer in wwi who gave him a commendation was a jew. seeing a pattern here? hitler was a jewlover, maybe even a jew himself.

[Anonymous No.1801033]

>>1801030
It's been scientifically proven that Hitler started WWII because his local temple didn't support his conversion to Judaism. Read a book, retard.

[Anonymous No.1801037]

>>1801007
Top row is the more calm (?) pose with ref. I guess I just wasn't feeling it. I actually fucking felt it when I tried to do the gesture the third time, but I didn't post it, since the gesture isn't visible any more (slowly moving on to landmarks). It'll probably come with more practice, but any pointers would be welcome.
Bottom image is one I think is okay. Don't have the ref right now, but it was from pixelovely.

sorry for poor image quality, scanner is unavailable atm

>>1801033
>>1801030
>>1801029
yeeeeaaaaah, let's get this thread back on track, shall we?

[Anonymous No.1801038]

>>1801033
they wouldn't accapt him because he was too jewish, they were worried it would intimidate they other jews

[Anonymous No.1801054]

>>1801037
This is what I would have done. You don't have to stick to the original painting, push the thing more if you feel like it.

[Anonymous No.1801075]

>>1801054
Ah, that makes sense. If the pose isn't too interesting, you can push it to make it interesting, right?
Thanks a lot for the redline, I'll study it after some sleep.
Man, all of this is so interesting.

[Anonymous No.1801078]

>>1801075
>If the pose isn't too interesting, you can push it to make it interesting, right?
yes, don't let the gesture be the boss of you.

[Anonymous No.1801278]

hopefully now in the right thread

I have no clue how to improve with these kinds of drawings.

[Anonymous No.1801352]

>>1801028
Yeah, everyone starts somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1801382]

>>1801037
Oi m8, where to find more pictures like the one you're referencing.

[Anonymous No.1801405]

Here are some gestures I did today. I can post more if it helps, but they are about the same quality. I'm looking for criticism.

[Anonymous No.1801420]

>>1801405
I think you should be more critical of your own work, are they meant to be scribbles on a page?
That said focus more on form, these really are shit

[Anonymous No.1801421]

>>1801420
The point of a gesture is to capture motion, form comes later.

>>1801405
A lot of your marks are unnecessary and don't seem to capture the motion you see in the pose. Are you doing these under a time limit? I suggest you stop and take your time.

Villpu, Hampton and Proko vids are good sources of info on how to do gestures.

Also remember that gestures are just the starting point for a figure drawing. You should still be working on your anatomy at the same time.

[Anonymous No.1801440]

Trying to learn how 2knight
.. Long Way to go

[Anonymous No.1801443]

>>1801440
Damn misleading phone camera it wasn't rotated before
Ignore boobies on other side of page

[Anonymous No.1801449]

>>1801443
are those high heels

[Anonymous No.1801452]

>>1801440
>>1801443

Apologies

[Anonymous No.1801453]

>>1801449
Unfortunately yes

[Anonymous No.1801456]

>>1801453
fortunately* looks awesome.

[Anonymous No.1801482]

thanks for getting this thread up after the other one reached image limit and that one 12 year old tried making one himself, the wrong way(i got banned for one day because i insulted him lol)

the pic in the op that relates the head to a building is pretty nice. it shows hoe perspective is applied to the head and unlike his FWAP approach, i actually see him using a cuboid for simplifying the head, for the first time

[Anonymous No.1801483]

>>1801452
Raiden, what is this hernya?

[Anonymous No.1801498]

>>1801452

cool.

but quit it with the high heels
it looks ridiculous

[Anonymous No.1801500]

>>1801421
These were done under a time limit. I'll try taking that away, that would probably help a lot. I've watched the Proko videos on gesture a few times, but I'll look into the other teachers as well.

[Anonymous No.1801502]

Dear god, this brown paper is obnoxious to scan.
Less lines. Less lines. Must. Use. Less. Lines.

[Anonymous No.1801545]

Annnnnndddd we're back, trying not to get too greedy on the first day drawing after the break.

Hoping to get good with pen - pencil is for faggots

Ugh still need to practice faces, but I just haven't been in the mood...

[Anonymous No.1801548]

>>1801545
>Beginner

[Anonymous No.1801550]

I don't feel the gestures /ic/, wat do?

[Anonymous No.1801552]

>>1801550
get into the pose yourself and feel where your weight is sitting and all that.

[Anonymous No.1801557]

>>1801550
give up on >feeling and always draw from reference instead

[Anonymous No.1801558]

Question regarding perspective:

In perspective drawings, assuming i want to draw the exact same box twice, one being farther away from the VP than the other one, how do i know that both boxes have exactly the same "porportions"? Assuming the height, the length and the width is the same. How do i know that still holds true when i place one of the boxes further away from the other?

Also how does turning them around affect this? Because often times you would see some lines in perspective extent while others get shorter when you spin them. How do you know that it's still the same box?

I am currently around page 100 in perspective made easy and he has yet to explain this.(or i just missed it)

[Anonymous No.1801575]

>Go through anatomy
>Get tired
>Draw ant
>Excitement for drawing still not back
How can i get inspired? Looking at other artists?

[Anonymous No.1801596]

>>1801575
Draw an ant holding a magnifying glass above a city of people and burning them so their faces are melting off like in the Lost Ark, but you gotta do it in perspective of ground zero for the people looking up at the giant ant

You get to practice perspective, anatomy, and take out your frustration on the city of people

[Anonymous No.1801609]

>>1801575
>>1801596
Here is mine, I am sure you can do better, are you inspired now?

[Anonymous No.1801640]

>>1801278
What kind of pencils are you using? My blacks never look that black. :\

[Anonymous No.1801645]

>>1801640
use a softer pencil for blacker

[Anonymous No.1801646]

>>1801596
>>1801609
Somehow i did worse.
Well, i know i suck at drawing people so this should be no surprise, i am still going through hampton.

[Anonymous No.1801647]

>>1801645
Cheers.

[Anonymous No.1801655]

love how creative you super noobs still are. heaps of cool stuff in here. i wish it were easier for people to maintain that creative drive.

[Anonymous No.1801656]

>>1801640
I had to increase contrast a lot after scanning to make the details visible. It's just regular B2.

[Anonymous No.1801679]

Is this gesture or is it contour?

>lined paper
Yeah I know it's bad

[Anonymous No.1801684]

>>1801679

It's gesture but not the feelpu way. Whatever works for you.

[Anonymous No.1801688]

>>1801684
If I try it the Vilppu way it becomes a mess of random lines. I can't feel it enough to do it his way.

[Anonymous No.1801694]

>>1801688

That's okay. This is all just academic study. Nobody vilppus when actually drawing something.

[Anonymous No.1801770]

>>1801679
It's more contour than it is gesture, and very stiff.

[Anonymous No.1801775]

>>1801770
This. "Random" lines are fine for this exercise, they help you find the gesture.

[Anonymous No.1801788]

What inspires you guys to keep on going? I need some inspiration to stop being a whiny bitch and get drawing for hours straight.

[Anonymous No.1801790]

>>1801788
drawing is only one step

[Anonymous No.1801795]

>>1801545
Have you even tried to draw something that's not a grill

[Anonymous No.1801797]

>>1801788

Leave a livestream open of someone drawing or sculpting or even playing a game (not too distracting game). I find the motivation is just being lonely all the time and to watch someone in real time work on something and can chat with them is a big motivator for me.

[Anonymous No.1801849]

>>1801770
>>1801775
Doesn't Proko do something similar?

I feel that if I do it like Vilppu I mess up the curves and the proportions (like the length of the legs) and the result doesn't feel right overall. When I do it like this >>1801679 I feel the gesture matches the model more

I didn't expect to have so much trouble with gesture but I refuse to move on before I have a proper understanding of how to do it properly

[Anonymous No.1801862]

I should start drawing landscapes and cityscapes, it enjoy it and it does not require too much theory to do, ofcourse i will do those while i also draw landscapes.

[Anonymous No.1801866]

>>1801849
Without seeing the reference I can still tell that the curves and proportions aren't even close to accurate, because you're following contours. You think you aren't because you've left all the detail out but you are.
Show us an example of your vilppu gestures. I doubt they can get any worse than this.

[Anonymous No.1801876]

>>1801866
>aren't even close
>but you are
>any worse
bit tough on a beginner, anon

[Anonymous No.1801902]

Does this cylinder seem 3 dimensional with a small curve inwards in the middle?

[Anomynus No.1801906]

I'm slowly getting better at not chicken-scratching. I would have scanned but this is too big.

[Anonymous No.1801920]

>>1801902
yup..well i mean it looks like this more or less.

[Anonymous No.1801943]

>>1801920
Yeah i should also have made the front one seem softer, i also noticed that it did not look like it was in the middle after all so i did a few more.
I totally forgot how fun it was to make meaningless shapes.

[Anonymous No.1801945]

Hey /ic/, I need a very specific advice: how can I paint lots of arrows struck into a giant, from distance, without making it look like he's riddened with excessive hair? I really can't figure it out.

[Anonymous No.1801948]

>>1801945
probably just make sure the fletching is visible, and have a bunch of archers there, or a few arrows he's pulled off in the foreground. that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.1801950]

>>1801945

Arrows are pretty long and rigid. This rigidity (that is a word right? Non-native english speaker....) makes that they will never be misread as hair. Also hair seen from a distance forms masses, you never see individual strands unless you're very up close to it. Like, right under your nose close. Also a giant pelleted by arrows will not have said arrows lodged into it in a neat, orderly manner but instead at 'cause a hail of arrows lands at random.

[Anonymous No.1801952]

>>1801950
rigidity is correct.

[Anonymous No.1801953]

>>1801948
I tried that, but doesn't look very good. mainly because the giant is in the background, and the fletchlings look like poppy field or something.
maybe I have to use a low saturation tone?
>>1801950
yeah I got what you mean. gonna try distributin them differently.

laters...

[Anonymous No.1801954]

>>1801849
>proportions
>contour
>gesture
I don't think anyone here really understands the purpose of gesture drawing. You aren't drawing gestures to make a portfolio piece or a nice looking drawing, you're drawing it so you can internalize the distribution of weight and the rhythm of your subject by doing so quickly and in a way you feel comfortable with. Don't worry about proportions, don't worry about construction, get a feel for weight and balance instead.

Also, keep in mind that there is no ideal method for capturing gesture, as long as you are getting a feel for flow, balance and to a lesser extent aesthetics and are internalizing then it's the right way to draw gesture. Remember that gesture drawing isn't for your audience, it's for you.

[Anonymous No.1801993]

>>1801954
proportion isn't as important but being mindful about it isn't a bad thing
>Also, keep in mind that there is no ideal method for capturing gesture
until you get good enough then there is an ideal method; you do as Vilppu or his sidekick proko says then draw however you like

[Anonymous No.1801996]

>>1801993
fuck off scroto isn't vilppu's side-kick. he's the go-bots to vilppu's transformers.

[Anonymous No.1802003]

>>1801996
Okay okay Proko is Alfred, Hampton is the Robin and Vilppu is Batman. Happy?

[Anonymous No.1802009]

>>1801954
Godamnit, I fucking hate gestures. Go fuck yourself, Vilppu.
"Feeling it" doesn't mean shit. I just draw contours when doing "gestures", because I don't understand the right way to do it. Pic related. It's the only way I am able to quickly draw figures without over-analyzing stuff. I guess I'm more of a logical thinker.

[Anonymous No.1802021]

>>1802003
no..in the old captain america comics there was a joke character called captain usa, if vilppu is captain american, provoko is captain usa.

[Anonymous No.1802022]

>>1802009
There is no "right" way. The point is so you can better get a sense of balance and force, it can be fucking scribbles so long as it can help you see in these terms.

[Anonymous No.1802028]

>>1801993
What Hampton and Vilppu do is more of a pretense for beginning a drawing. It's ideal in that sense but not terribly helpful for a greenhorn.

[Anonymous No.1802029]

>>1801548
But I like the beginner threads... You guys have useful advice, plus I am not really that invested in any one of my drawings, so I feel bad wasting people's time on the draw threads

>>1801795
I drew some robots the other day. But I tried to draw a woman last year and failed so I forced myself to only draw woman until I was decent- hard to know when to stop... I think I have to do the same thing with faces...

[Vilppu No.1802030]

>>1802009

Translation: Goddamnit, I fucking hate learning the techniques and principles taught by a Disney and Dreamworks professional. Go fuck yourself, Vilppu!! "Feeling it" was never taught to all those aspiring Disney animators, they just drew contours like I did--I FOUND A WAY on my own that is way better than a method used since the Renaissance. My way is better. I mean English is my primary language and fuck those kids in Chinaland who can't speak a lick of English and yet still understand that stupid villpu and his feels gestures. I guess I'm more of a retard thinker.

[Anonymous No.1802032]

>>1801906
Can't tell if that is pen or pencil, but draw with pen, you can't erase so you are forced to be more confident with your lines.

[Anonymous No.1802035]

>beginners giving advice to beginners
i'm sure you think skill doesn't matter when it comes to advice. i'd like to see you critique Vilppu or Hampton.

[Anonymous No.1802036]

>>1802030
wat
I never said my technique was better, it clearly isn't, but I simply don't understand gestures. I've been trying to for a year, but it doesn't come to me. I don't learn anything by "feeling it", it just doesn't mean anything to me, I might be autistic or something.
I also don't want to do cartoony stuff or animations, so I guess it's not that important to be able to feel the flow, though it would help.
I also don't understand what you mean with that china stuff. I'm not a native English speaker, it's actually my third language, so excuse me.

[Anonymous No.1802038]

>>1802035
Not everyone here who's giving advice is a beginner themselves.

They just don't post their own work here because, well, it's for beginners.

[Anonymous No.1802039]

>>1802030
>skill up seminar
is this for real

[Anonymous No.1802040]

>>1802035
>beginners giving advice to beginners

This is the whole concept behind /ic/.

[Vilppu No.1802043]

>>1802039

It's just a shorthand way of saying all the fluff from the English poster.

[Anonymous No.1802049]

>>1802035
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.1802050]

I've been doing gestures for a while now and I don't feel any improvement in them. They have been looking the same since I've started and I don't know what the fuck I should be doing to improve. I've been learning from Vilppu's Drawing Manual videos and I get what he's saying but I can't put it in paper correctly for some reason.

[Anonymous No.1802051]

>>1802030
hey, we're very similar. i also think everything that i do that actually works is based on negative space and contour drawing. everything just works better if i focus on the general shapes and form. focusing on the shapes make it easier to keep the proportions in check, and the control in general is much better.

that being said, gesture is very important as well. it's just not as fundamental to drawing as contour is. but without gesture, your drawings will look lifeless.

[Anonymous No.1802053]

>>1802050
>They have been looking the same since I've started
What do you mean by they look the same? Are you trying to just draw a figure as quickly as possible or are you drawing what the subject is doing?

Try different methods, find what works for you and keep on drawing.

[Anonymous No.1802086]

I'm just going to keep drawing cylinders all night as a ragequit from anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1802089]

>>1802053
I'm drawing what the figure is doing, the motion and whatnot. It looks pretty bad to me though. I don't know if I'm just being to hard on myself or what. I mean I did improve since the first week but since then they've all been looking like this.

[Anonymous No.1802091]

>>1802089
>first week
Nigga plz, it's gonna take longer than that to start really getting a feel for it. Keep at it for a month and I guarantee your stuff will limber up a bit

Stop worrying so much about contour and stop worrying if it looks good or not and just keep on drawing. Gesture drawing is like practicing scales as opposed to composing a song.

[Anonymous No.1802094]

>>1802089
those are okay..it actually looks like what you should really do is some anatomy studies so you can properly place the pelvis and orient the chest and such like. i think you'll find your gestures more satisfying after that.

[Anonymous No.1802096]

>>1802091
I said I've improved SINCE the first week. I have been at it for a little more than a month now. The contour is just me trying to see how the figure builds up after I do the gesture but it's pretty much there.

>>1802094
Alright, will do that.

[Anonymous No.1802107]

>>1801646
Not worse - you drew something, I enjoyed it :)

Post some new stuff from today!

[Anonymous No.1802110]

>>1802107
Right now i'm just the guy that keeps posting cylinders because i needed a break from anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1802116]

>>1802110
The axis of the ellipse on the lower left is fucked.
The right cylinder in the group of three looks squished.
Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.1802117]

>>1802110
it looks like you draw the round faces from the front or just like ellipses. You need to properly adjust them. You can see the problem if you draw a square in perspective and subdivide it into smaller squares, then try and place a circle into the square. If done wrong the circle will cross opposite squares at the wrong places.

But I don't know any method to draw circles properly, sorry.

[Anonymous No.1802121]

>>1802117
>But I don't know any method to draw circles properly, sorry.
Loomis, Successful drawing, page 31.

[Anonymous No.1802127]

>>1802121
can you post the page?

[Anonymous No.1802146]

>>1802116
Oh yeah i see now, they probably look squashed still but they are more correct now

>>1802117
I don't really get what you are trying to say? Is it the distance and size of the features that is inconsistent?

[Anonymous No.1802155]

>>1802127
Come on, anon. The pdf's are in the sticky. What are you even doing if you haven't read ruumisu?
This isn't the most accurate way of doing things, and there's more info on how circles and cylinders work in Scott Robertson's dvds (and book, too, I assume), but you'll have to discover that on your own.

[Anonymous No.1802156]

>>1802146
>I don't really get what you are trying to say? Is it the distance and size of the features that is inconsistent?

[Anonymous No.1802158]

>>1802155
Thanks, I didn't want it for myself. I don't bother much with these constructions because they take a lot of time at least without the computer and are still very inexact.

[Anonymous No.1802161]

>>1802156
Yeah i really need to go through all of loomises books, maybe i should just scrap hampton for now and go back.

[Anonymous No.1802163]

>>1802161
that wasn't from loomis, I grabbed something random from google search

[Anonymous No.1802171]

>>1802156
Interesting.
Realistically, though, while what Loomis gives is a fairly okay approximation, the 12-point one seems like too much work for one small thing.
Freehand elliples are okay most of the time, once your hand is trained, and if you need really accurate ellipses, you use an template.

[Anonymous No.1802179]

>>1802171
that is rather a lot of work isn't it. i suppose if you're using really funky perspective it's a useful thing to know how to do.

[Anonymous No.1802202]

>>1802179
But you can make it easier if you don't separate the drawing steps too much. You can just draw the grid freehand and fill it in good enough for whatever circle like thing you want (which is probably not a perfect shape - e.g. a wooden sign).

[Anonymous No.1802234]

>>1802110
To be honest, basic shapes is what you shouldve been practicing in the first place.

[Anonymous No.1802451]

>>1802029

I did the same shit with women too. Now I'm grinding out run/walk poses into my brain. That point where your brain starts to get comfortable with the subject due to constant repetition is awesome, or maybe I'm just autistic. Anyways, you have sick drawings! Enjoying the anime inspired aesthetic that isn't just a kid copying a VLC screen-cap of Kill La Kill.

[Anonymous No.1802601]

>>1802234
I've practiced them before, i know how important they are.

[Anonymous No.1802610]

How the hell do I shade? My shading looks grainy and I can't smooth it out... and I don't want to smudge cuz you guys said don't smudge... Btw, my shading looks grainy no matter what kind of paper I use. I'd like tips on how to make it smoother and less scratchy...Basically my goal is like Proko, here:

http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/08/direct-light/

Also, when I shade to follow the contours of the shape it makes the strokes even scratchier and more apparent. Any tips? Is it my skill or the paper at fault here? Thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.1802644]

How I'll know that I'm "cured" of symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.1802654]

>>1802644
when your drawings don't look like crappy clipart

[Anonymous No.1802655]

>>1802654
My pepper looks like a crappy clipart?

[Anonymous No.1802663]

>>1802644
Well, you picked a weird thing to draw upside down... flipping the pepper isn't quite as magical as flipping a horse.

You can start to tell that you are losing your symbols once your drawings feel more contiguous. I feel like symbols are easy to spot because they are often rotated, scaled, and placed independently of the symbols around them.

As for the pepper, I never understood the process of a direct copy pasta of the image you are studying. Unless you copy for discipline, I would just draw the feel of the pepper without trying to replicate all the nooks and crannies.

If I am using a reference, I just copy the parts I like to get the feel right and make up the rest. Not sure if this is correct or not, maybe some other anon knows...

[Anonymous No.1802668]

>>1802644
It's not crappy, but the angles and proportions of that pepper are all wrong.

[Anonymous No.1802672]

>>1802644
It's not crappy, but the angles and proportions of that pepper are all wrong. Which is important if you were trying to copy the ref.
If you weren't, then it's pretty okay, but very flat.

[Anonymous No.1802674]

>>1802672
>It's not crappy, but the angles and proportions of that pepper are all wrong. Which is important if you were trying to copy the ref.
Thanks for replying. It's by copying that I "cure" symbol drawing, right? How do I fix my proportions/angles?

>>1802663
I'm sorry, I'm dumb, what "contiguous" means in this context? Well, I'm going to try to draw mugs after this then I should a horse? Thanks for replying too.

[Anonymous No.1802676]

>>1802674
>How do I fix my proportions/angles?
Use visual measuring.

[Anonymous No.1802685]

>>1802674
youtu . be/JAEd003_EIQ?list=PL2F0088896BBDEE72
I think this might be of use.

[Anonymous No.1802687]

>>1802610
These things are explained in some books about drawing and drawing materials, e.g. "Art of Drawing - the complete course" (Sterling).

[Anonymous No.1802693]

>>1802674
>"contiguous" means in this context
Maybe contiguous wasn't the best word. When each symbol you draw has the same scale, orientation, and placement, your contiguous symbols will create your drawing. Getting these three parameters uniform and correct takes lots of practice.

Perhaps this will make more sense... Have you ever baked cookies and tried to make all your cookies the same size? Your symbol drawing is the same as the cookies. First you just make balls of dough (cookie symbols), but when you bake them you get a pan of disproportionate oddly shaped cookies randomly placed on the pan.

After some practice, you figure out how much dough goes in each ball, and where to place each ball on the pan. You stop being concerned with forming each individual cookie ball (the symbol) and become for focused on completing the whole tray of cookies.

You know when you are good at making cookies when they come out of the oven and you have a nice uniform batch of cookies evenly spaced on the pan.

[Anonymous No.1802699]

For some reason my own beginner style seems to be extremely soft and clean, i sort of like it but it weirds me out since my favorite art styles are extremely edgy, jagged and messy.

[Anonymous No.1802703]

>>1802676
Going to learn how use it correctly, thanks.

>>1802685
It will be useful, thanks.

>>1802693
I think I get what you mean now, anon.

[Anonymous No.1802709]

>>1802644
What does symbol drawing mean?

[Anonymous No.1802714]

>>1802709

Some term thrown around on /ic/ a lot, probably means different things to different people but to me it means drawing something you don't fully understand.

When beginners draw an eye they generally think of it as an almond shape with a circle in the middle. When in reality they should be thinking of it as a sphere (for the eyeball) with two lips that wrap around it (the lids).

Symbol drawing often results in a preference for flat, front on images because if you only know the symbol for an eye (a front on abstract shape), you won't know how to represent it in a 3/4 view.

The right of the image I posted would be symbols.

[Anonymous No.1802716]

>>1802714
I've never really thought about that, this is good to know. Thanks for explaining.

[Anonymous No.1802719]

>>1802451
Thanks :) do you ever post in the beg thread or have you graduated?

>that isn't just a kid copying a VLC screen-cap of Kill La Kill.

Not gonna lie, I did this when KLK came out - the results were embarrassing... those were some dark times...

[Anonymous No.1802722]

>>1802709
maybe this is useful:

http://www.learn-to-draw.com/drawing-basics/02-child-drawing.shtml

[Anonymous No.1802737]

>>1802714
>to me it means drawing something you don't fully understand.

wrong. smybol drawing is when you draw symbols instead of what you see. it applies to copying something and is a big mistake noobs make. they dont draw the shapes they see that make up e.g. the mouth. they draw their own version/symbol of the mouth.

however, when you are drawing from imagination you can hardly speak of symbol drawing because you arent trying to copy something accurately. you arent using a reference. you are doing your own, maybe stylised, version of something. that said, stylisation uses a lot of symbols. but in this case the symbol drawing is intentional.
when you are trying to copy something and you end up with symbols then that's symbol drawing because even though you are trying to replicate a copy of your reference you end up with something completely different.

[Anonymous No.1802742]

>>1802737
that means there are (at least) two kinds of symbol drawings:
- the one were you draw something in front of you, but don't look enough at it, just filling in blindly
- the one were you draw using your imagination, but are blocked to draw what you really want, because an annoying voice in your head tells you to draw it like X

[Anonymous No.1802745]

Thank you based Scotty 2 Hottie

[Anonymous No.1802749]

>>1802742
>but don't look enough at it

i don't think this is the problem. it may be part of the problem but the reality is more something in the direction of, they just cant judge the way something looks like, they cant properply control their hand movement, etc.

>the one were you draw using your imagination, but are blocked to draw what you really want, because an annoying voice in your head tells you to draw it like X

i wasnt talking about this though. i was saying that drawing stylised is a form of symbol drawing, but the difference is that it's intentional symbol drawing. because symbols are all about communication.

what you are talking about isn't symbol drawing. it's just not being able to draw what you want because you suck.

when we talk about symbol drawing we talk about someone trying to copy something. we arent refering to symbols in drawing from imagination.

[Anonymous No.1802759]

How do you practice drawing figures in perspective? I feel like I've got the gesture thing down and I know some basic anatomy, but I can never seem to work everything into a perspective grid. I don't know how to foreshorten things accurately and consistently considering that all the forms of the figure are following different perspectives. Are you supposed to set up a perspective grid, horizon line, vanishing points, etc. for every figure drawing you do?

This is also a topic that I don't hear much about, either. All figure drawing material seems to follow: gesture ->construction -> anatomy, and then that's it. Can anyone point me towards a book or video that focuses purely on drawing the figure in perspective?

[Anonymous No.1802761]

Cartoony and stylised stuff is fun to do, but i want to have a realistic style later, should i just keep being cartoony and while i improve i should focus on making it more and more realistic?

[Anonymous No.1802762]

>>1802737
>wrong. smybol drawing is when you draw symbols instead of what you see. it applies to copying something and is a big mistake noobs make. they dont draw the shapes they see that make up e.g. the mouth. they draw their own version/symbol of the mouth.

I did say 'to me' as a disclaimer buddy, thanks for another version.

[Anonymous No.1802763]

>>1802761

If you want realism then go for it, most people on ic recommend realism first anyway.

[Anonymous No.1802766]

>>1802763
There just is a lot of stuff that i need to learn before i can create anything realistic, and i also need to learn applying what i learn as i go so i can internalize it.
For example Sinix used to do cartoony stuff which he slowly turned into realism.

[Anonymous No.1802769]

>>1802766
No ones expecting you to create realism from imagination right off the bat, but aiming towards it and learning how to over time is enough.

[Anonymous No.1802786]

>>1802749
>i wasnt talking about this though.
I wasn't critizising your post, just adding a different unrelated case.

[Anonymous No.1802801]

what line/circle exercises do you guys do?

[Anonymous No.1802809]

>>1802801
Peter Han's, Scott Robertson's, and Le-Mec's.

[Anonymous No.1802916]

First attempt at rendering anything, what do I do/read to get better at rendering with a pencil? I'm totally clueless about making textures and shit.

[Anonymous No.1802923]

Using the side of your pencil for gestures is so much fun.

[Anonymous No.1802939]

Gestures are waste of time. They're only useful for people who already can draw human figure.

[Anonymous No.1802964]

What in earth have I done.

Since I have such shit tier drawing skills I decided to head back to the sticky and start with 'drawing on the right side of the brain'.

Obviously this is the wrong side and am glad I didn't draw myself from mirror.

[Anonymous No.1802971]

>>1802916
alfonso dunn is good but he's not as good as looking at real life.

[Anonymous No.1802995]

>>1802939

Gesture Drawing
This quick drawing captures the energy and movement of the subject. It does not necessarily have to be realistic.

Where in that definition does it say draw the human figure as quickly as possible with breasts and shading? Your concerns is trying to make it look human in the first phase. Remember all this shit is the equivalent to weight training for the artist.

[Anonymous No.1803001]

Am I gonna make it?
Already a month in and don't feel like I'm improving as fast as you guys.

[Anonymous No.1803006]

>>1802964
Proportions are super off, start using your pencil/stylus/fingers for measurements, you will start doing progress in accurate drawing instantly.

[Anonymous No.1803008]

>>1803001

rest assured 20% of us in this thread will make it

[Anonymous No.1803017]

>>1802971

He seems quite good, though most of his videos are for pen (like the one I copied) and I only use pencil right now.

[Anonymous No.1803019]

>>1803001
Your eyes look too high up

[Anonymous No.1803026]

>>1803001

The mouth and the bottom of the nose should be slightly higher

[Anonymous No.1803053]

>>1802086
use line width to help with depth

[Anonymous No.1803499]

What is the best way to hold a pencil in order to avoid drawing with your wrist?

[Anonymous No.1803507]

>>1803499
http://youtu.be/pMC0Cx3Uk84

[Anonymous No.1803521]

>Get "How to Draw" by Scott Robertson
>On the page about multiplying and dividing boxes in perspective
>takes about 20 minutes for each box (one where I add boxes and one where I remove them)
This is going to take me awhile to go through the book, but I know if I can make it through I'll be a lot better at drawing than I am now.

[Anonymous No.1803522]

>>1800689
>>1800707
I usually do some practicing and studying during the day, and then I just draw for fun on miiverse.

[Anonymous No.1803527]

>>1801004
It probably helps them feel superior even though they are inferior as artists.

[Anonymous No.1803536]

>>1801558
It's around pg. 99 in the pdf I'm looking at.

I'd say Scott Robertson has a better explanation for what you're looking for. If you don't have it already, get "How to Draw," either online or a physical copy. I'm only on pg. 33, but I'm liking his explanations and exercises a lot more than Norling's.

[Anonymous No.1803539]

>>1801953
just post a quick sketch of what you've got so far and it will be easier to help you out.

[Anonymous No.1803540]

Probably a stupid question:

Does measuring subjects with a drawing tool actually help improve one's sense for proportion?

[Anonymous No.1803544]

>>1803507
How do you hold a pencil to get consistently thin lines while doing arcs/curves and long long lines?

[Anonymous No.1803582]

[Anonymous No.1803583]

>>1803582

[Anonymous No.1803586]

>>1803583
Be gentle - I'm barely holding my self esteem together while forcing myself to draw these.

[Anonymous No.1803600]

>>1802759

Anyone?

[Anonymous No.1803634]

>>1803600
I can give you some bad advice that will probably get shat on, but I used extreme perspectives from animu as reference. If you can see through the bullshit stylization to the underlying figure, it might be a place to start.

There are usually lots of weird camera angles and body parts aimed at the viewer to exaggerate the pose.

[Anonymous No.1803661]

>>1802759
>>1803600
Just become comfortable with drawing and rotating all of the basic forms in perspective, and how to construct more complex forms from those basic forms.

When you draw the figure, you'd need to be mindful of the horizon, but you don't need to draw it. You should also be mindful of the 'floor tile' that the figure is standing on in order to plant the feet properly, but this too doesn't need to be drawn (you can if it helps you).

The basic plan is gesture, then construct the figure out of basic forms. Instead of trying to establish an effective horizon and vanishing points for every box and cylinder that makes up the body, just eyeball it instead. If you're proficient with drawing and rotating basic forms, it should be easy to do. It doesn't need to be super accurate, just be believable and consistent across forms.

[Anonymous No.1803668]

>>1803634
Different guy here,
Stuff like this?

[Anonymous No.1803682]

anybody feel like critting my gay fruit series

[Anonymous No.1803695]

>>1803668
dude where's this from? Looks like gurren lagan

[Anonymous No.1803699]

>>1803695
"Aim for the top 2! Diebuster"
It's by the same guys who did TTGL.

[Anonymous No.1803700]

>>1803583
I'm a beginner myself, but I'll critique as well as I can.

The way you drew your plate feels like you had trouble getting the shape of the ellipse down. I'd suggest practicing by doing some exercises involving ellipses and drawing at least ten plates. Also, the pitcher and the translucent wine glass is bothering me. The bottom part looks good, but the upper portion makes it look like the pitcher is in front of the bottle. I'd suggest placing an empty, see-through glass in front of an object and try to draw it to see if this helps you in drawing translucent objects. I noticed that some of your objects come out to angular, such as your banana and the part where the neck of the wine bottle transitions to the wider part of the bottle. Work on getting those curvier.

However, I do like how the forms come out with your lemons and the cloths, and you have nice line confidence. Keep up the practice.

[Anonymous No.1803703]

>>1803700
So you're saying I should work on fundamental shapes, right? I think that's spot on critque. Ellipses kill me.

[Anonymous No.1803714]

>>1803703
Yea, getting curves and ellipses just right is really frustrating, but there are a variety of different exercises for ellipses you can look up to use as warm-ups. I'd say at the point you're at, it's just going to be a lot of practice, but you're definitely on the right track as far as I can see.

[Anonymous No.1803716]

>>1802719

I'm still a beginner but I don't post to /ic/, much. I mainly use it as a resource for art books and shit. This pic for example is one of the running poses I've done. I just reference pics of people running either from real life or from that Pinterest resource, and draw it. I've had an infatuation with exoskeletons lately, so I decided to dick around and make a mech-dude running. It makes the grind more fun at times. Still quite amateur, but I'm glad to see that in 2 years of non-motivated, intermittent drawing, I've at least improved marginally.

[Anonymous No.1803719]

>>1803716

ignore the edgy self-deprecation, this was a few months back. the lady in the middle was coming out fine but apparently i gave her no skull.

[Anonymous No.1803721]

>>1803719

forcing myself to put a figure in a situation, came out okay.

[Anonymous No.1803724]

>>1803721

holy shit that foot and entire lower leg

[Anonymous No.1803726]

>>1803724

winter in tokyo

[Anonymous No.1803729]

>>1803726

[Anonymous No.1803735]

>>1803668
>>1803699
Yuppers - like that, I have both gainax die buster books and the ttgl animation books, they are fun to browse for inspiration

Anyone know of any similar animation books?

[Anonymous No.1803740]

>>1803586
>>1803583
>>1803582
They are pretty good, your self-esteem might be worse off than your drawings.

And it gave me a nice boost, so its good.

Sorry I couldn't be of any help.

[Anonymous No.1803754]

>>1801788
I think the ability to translate your imagination into a visual product is something fucking amazing, and I look up to anyone who can effectively do that.

Meanwhile I'm struggling to get the fucking mouth and eye lines to match the perspective of a literal fucking circle in Loomis.
>BUT IT'S EASIER THAN YOU THINK BOYO

FUCK YOU LOOMIS THIS IS DECEPTIVELY DIFFICULT

[Anonymous No.1803756]

>>1803740
What's boost, precious?

[Anonymous No.1803758]

>>1800619
newest draw

[Anonymous No.1803769]

I need help with perspective: the face is supposed to be tilted downwards, but I can't achieve that look. Also I can't make the face actually look like the face from reference

[Anonymous No.1803779]

>>1803721
What kind of pencil do you use? You seemed to have squeezed a lot of value out of it

Thanks for posting!

[Anonymous No.1803787]

>>1803779
not that guy but seems like hb/2b

[Anonymous No.1803806]

>>1803769
Simplify the head into a box and apply your perspective.
I think you're out of your depth here, though.

[Anonymous No.1803807]

>>1803779

Just a regular HB pencil. Thanks, I think.

[Anonymous No.1803964]

Should I use pixel lovely for doing loads of gesture drawings or life drawings? Which is better for improvment?

[Anomynus No.1804175]

fucking candles

[Anonymous No.1804229]

>>1804175
sounds hot

[Anonymous No.1804234]

Can a begginer start with a comic? I'm >>1804167 and a comic would force me to draw/practice pretty much everything.

[Anonymous No.1804239]

>>1804234
dont dodge fundamentals. no doubt you will get tired of drawing only comics. in that time practice the necessary stuff. is there anything wrong with making comics as a beginner? hell no. that is a great starting motivator. I love comics myself and would love to draw them. it is just the storylines that I struggle with.

[Anonymous No.1804251]

>>1804239
First, thanks for replying.

Drawing a decent comic requires understanding anatomy, construction, ability to color (color theory, values), etc.

What fundamentals I'd dodge by making comics?

[Anonymous No.1804255]

>>1804251
Some people don't agree with this list but it's quite relevant.

[Anonymous No.1804256]

>>1804251
I think he just means that when you're drawing comics that you don't let yourself get lazy with it and forsake fundamentals while drawing. I imagine it can be tempting to skip a lot of things and get lazy when you have to do a lot of different panels.

Also, don't forget about perspective and composition. Those can help get a lot of cool looking backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.1804262]

>>1804255
I'm aware of it. Thanks for posting anyway. Saved.

>>1804256
Yes, and that's why my comics will have only one page, around 4/5/6/7 panels and each panel will require at least 2 fundamental elements. I'll do it daily. Perspective and composition are vital and I know it. I just don't know where to start with composition, I don't see any tutorials about it around.

[Anonymous No.1804270]

>>1804251
>What fundamentals I'd dodge by making comics?
none of them. unless it's newspaper four panel tier, then you dodge all of them but gesture.

[Anonymous No.1804335]

I just discovered I have opposite eye-hand dominance. Is there a hope /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1804351]

>>1804335
Sounds like something that will have zero effect on your drawing.

[Anonymous No.1804384]

>>1804255
fuck, i dont know whether this is some popular pic on /ic/, but this is really interesting. thanks for sharing anon

[Anonymous No.1804393]

>tfw I made a whole list of drawing books I want to read and still stuck on KTD

[Anonymous No.1804458]

>>1800619
Should I every use a grid underlay?

Should I ever use a curvilinear underlay?

I see many large environment drawings are curvilinear. Do they do that free hand?

[Anonymous No.1804596]

im so lost

[Anonymous No.1804602]

>>1804393
>tfw it takes me an hour to do a few of the drawings in How to Draw and it's only the beginning of the book

[Anonymous No.1804610]

>>1804262

Thats a pretty hacky idea. It would be a better use of time to just do dedicated studies.

[Anonymous No.1804763]

Not sure which route to take to improve.

[Anonymous No.1804764]

>>1800619
Just got my fucking tablet in the mail today and for some GOD DAMN REASON I cant get pen sensitivity to work.

anyone have any ideas?

also hes some shit art, I know the arms are short, my bad

[Anonymous No.1804766]

>>1804763
uhh, draw what you see more?

[yung swag No.1804768]

>>1804764
try updating the drivers to the newest version and restarting your computer?

[Anonymous No.1804774]

>>1804768
ive tried that like 5 different times now

[Anonymous No.1804805]

>>1804763
nigga's in a stripper pose but he's got no dick

not a good way to make money

[Anonymous No.1804807]

>>1804596
let me help you find your way

>>1786566

[Anonymous No.1804819]

>>1804805
hes a special kind of stripper that specifically has no dick. GAWD anon!

[Anonymous No.1804825]

>>1804819
why?

[Anonymous No.1804867]

I just can't into thinking in 3D.

[Anonymous No.1804869]

>>1804819
...well.

[Anonymous No.1805529]

>>1802745
Everytime I see something from that book I wanna buy it but then I look at the books I bought a few months ago and remember that I haven't finished any of them.

[Anonymous No.1805538]

So I did my first gesture drawings ever and I don't really understand the concept... it feels like I'm just drawing the shittiest contour possible really sloppily. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.1805562]

>>1805538
here's a tip:
don't draw contours, you aren't drawing a human being; you're drawing the action of the human being.

[Anonymous No.1805591]

it's like my eyes aren't taking in information properly.

are there exercises to help with this specific thing?

[Anonymous No.1805597]

>>1805591
blind contour

The Natural Way to Draw by Nicolaides outlines it good.

[Anonymous No.1805613]

I feel like such shit for slacking off and playing ff14 and crypt of the necrodancer all day. Anyways here are some gestures from today

[Anonymous No.1805621]

>>1804763
draw shapes, try an oval for the ribcage and an oval for the pelvis and connect them. Plus you want to exaggerate the pose, notice how your reference has his torso sort of bent(?) to the right. You want to use that kind of curve.

[Anonymous No.1805672]

Fucking values, how do they work?

[Anonymous No.1805689]

>>1800619
lmaoomis

[Anonymous No.1805692]

>>1805672
-Migration of Electrodes-
Circa 2014
"A commentary on light, darkness, and humanity's attempt to understand them"

[Anonymous No.1805707]

>>1805692
2deep4u. Have another

[Anonymous No.1805715]

to more experienced artists here: how long did it take for you to be able to recognize your own mistakes (e.g. lines being a bit off)?

[Anonymous No.1805722]

>>1805672
>>1805707
Use a fucking soft brush man.

[Anonymous No.1805733]

Are the keys to drawing really that good for a beginner? I'm drawing what I see instead of symbols doing this, but I don't see how this will transfer to drawing from imagination

[Anonymous No.1805735]

>>1805672
the thing to remember about sphere's is the moon. the moon is a sphere under perfect lighting. so if you picture the moon you can work out the terminator. then the light side gradates from light to dark heading away from the light and the dark side does the opposite only less so and obviously at a darker value. is easy.

[Anonymous No.1805750]

>>1805735
of course in sun-light the light is so 'big' as they say, strong. that there isn't much gradation at all on the light side, and in this case the strong sunlight reflects into the dark side, making it quite bright. apart from a very slight gradation caused by occlusion the light side is quite close to just being it's local value all-over. you can see this sphere is more or less the same colour as a ping pong ball.

[Anonymous No.1805751]

Been practicing doing some manga characters, pretty new at this

[Anonymous No.1805754]

>>1805733
You need observation so you can learn 3D forms and bodies correctly. Once you know the 3D, you can slap symbols on top to make cartoons.

[Anonymous No.1805755]

>>1805750
in tenebristic lighting the light is very small, causing a lot of contrast between the highlight and the rest of the light side. the dark side becomes lost in the surrounding blackness. creating even more contrast and accentuating the terminator. it's a dramatic lighting pioneered by caravaggio, known to his friends as 'the vag.' he murdered someone but was able to get off by doing a painting of himself as the severed head of goliath.

[Anonymous No.1805756]

>>1805751
Did you draw that or copy it?

[Anonymous No.1805758]

>>1805756
Used a reference picture, I suck at doing things from scratch atm. Still trying though

[Anonymous No.1805768]

>>1805755
'modelling light,' calling pillow shading sometimes on the internet is an abstracted lighting which moves in concentric rings (as seen here) instead of following the form ('the phases of the moon'.) it's most often used in figure drawing and when one wants to emphasis roundness or definition of the form. it was particularly popular in the 17th century.

[Anonymous No.1805769]

>>1805768
here it is rendered out

[Anonymous No.1805771]

>>1805768
oops, here it is.

[Anonymous No.1805775]

>>1805735
>>1805750
>>1805755
>>1805768
>>1805771
Thanks dude, I appreciate this

[Anonymous No.1805779]

how do i practice?
i can't seem to do it, do i just try to draw lines until I can make them straight? how do I go about doing the body, do I just draw it in sections until I learn it?

i feel like the sticky doesn't help. i have nothing to post right now, but i'll take all advice.

[Anonymous No.1805784]

>>1805779
Take the advice of the sticky

[Anonymous No.1805786]

>>1805784
i tried, i feel like i can't understand it.

[Anonymous No.1805787]

>>1805779
Try and copy things by looking at them

[Anonymous No.1805792]

>>1805786
It's hard and kinda daunting at first to just jump into something. If you honestly don't have any idea where to go or what to do look up Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson.

[Anonymous No.1805796]

>>1805779
sort of goes like this,

try,
analyze,
research,
and try again.

so say you wanted to draw a girls face. so you try first..like this attempt here.

[Anonymous No.1805797]

>>1805538
Don't listen to anything that refers to gesture as a feeling. Gesture is pretty concrete. Draw a basic layout of where the major forms of the body curve using C S and I lines.

Look up the Reilly method and Hampton's books. They really helped me.

[Anonymous No.1805798]

>>1805796
then you analyze why it's wrong by looking at it.

[Anonymous No.1805799]

Can somebody explain to me why Krita Gemini is 40 bucks better than Krita?

[Anonymous No.1805800]

>>1805798
then research to see what kinds of solutions are around, you can also experiment here, is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.1805801]

>>1805800
then you have another go,

then you go around the cycle again and again. with the same thing or new things.

[Anonymous No.1805805]

I'm not too good at making people, I like cartoon faces better.

[Anonymous No.1805806]

>>1805805
here is cartoon face

[Anonymous No.1805807]

>>1805538
Gesture isn't figure drawing, don't worry about contour or construction at all when you're doing it, worry about the balance and action of your subject. The point of gesture is to help you better internalize the flow and the motion of whatever you're trying to capture, it's not about making a pretty picture that you can show to others.

[Anonymous No.1805811]

make this look cool, show me how to do bodies

[Anonymous No.1805813]

>>1805811
You're more than welcome to show yourself
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

[Anonymous No.1805818]

>>1805811
install loomis

[Anonymous No.1805821]

How do you build up forms from gestures?

[Anonymous No.1805824]

>>1805821
With a lot of knowledge of anatomy and a strong feel for forms

[Anonymous No.1805831]

>>1805821
for the most part gestures are just an exercise. you do them now so when you do real figure drawings they'll be somewhat gestural. it's also a good way to stop people getting stuck on contours.

you can of course build a figure on a gesture. but it's not all that advantageous.

[Anonymous No.1805853]

>>1805831
kk

[Anonymous No.1805862]

>>1805707
Tried a few more

[Anonymous No.1806174]

>>1805821
You can use charcoal instead of pencil to draw areas instead of lines.

Otherwise stick figures, and other training methods are only for training, not for normal drawings, because they take too much time and introduce a lot of noise.

For normal drawings you still use helper lines, but not as a crutch for lack of basic skills.

[Anonymous No.1806360]

>>1805758
Then that's copying, its good that you are trying, but you should probably be using a better reference. Try the books in the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1807095]

oh god what manner of horror have I brought into this world

[Anonymous No.1807240]

>>1807095

[Anonymous No.1807326]

>>1807095
just have to learn to draw what you see and not what you think you see...

instead of drawing like this, start out with a 50% gray background, and do a rough shape of the head, than just add in values of light and dark, this may help you more than you think... at least given where you are currently.

its a transferable skill, thinking in terms of light and dark insteade of eye and nose will force you to see it differently, do this for about a week and try to draw a face again... you should see it in a different light.

[Anonymous No.1807863]

yo /ic/, when Im doing KTD, how many times do you recommend redoing the projects? I dont think Im looking for perfection, but more of getting the lesson down in my head.

[Anonymous No.1807867]

I just ordered a skull for life drawing, but I wanted to get started anyway. Construction a shit, values a shit, can't wait to have a proper reference. Once I get the actual skull I'm going to work from scratch doing pen drawings/construction.

Also, does anyone have advice for defining lines better while rendering? I can't for the life of me do it.