Beginner General #10

[Anonymous No.1795711]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

You are a beginner if it still says so in the sticky, so Absolute Beginner and Beginner.

Practice Practice Practice!

Previous thread: >>1789826

[Anonymous No.1795722]

>research composition
>making sketches and gestures is alot more fun now than just focusing on pure anatomy
>feels like I stepped into a whole new world
>next up is perspective proper

I love this shit

[Anonymous No.1795754]

>>1795722
u r intimidating me

[Anonymous No.1795761]

>>1795754
I'm not that good bro, I literally just started this week after a nearly 2-year break, in that time just writing short stories and doing scratchy doodles.

[Anonymous No.1795762]

Just finished Right Side of the Brain, now starting with Perspective Made Easy. When should I start studying Vilppu?

[Anonymous No.1795763]

>>1795762
>When should I start studying Vilppu?

When you feel you can.

[Anonymous No.1795764]

>>1795762
Start now, he's a good introduction if you can follow through. I think it'll go good with your perspective study too.

[Anonymous No.1795769]

>>1795722
can i just remind you beginners that linear perspective is just one way of doing perspective it's not "the right way" and it's not particularly real looking, it makes things look architectural and unnatural for the most part. free-hand perspective will usually look more natural. it's definitely a good thing to learn and it's infinitely useful as a mental tool especially. but it's not 'correct' per say.

just i worry you youngins get the wrong idea.

[Anonymous No.1795772]

>>1795711
Help me fix this pls

[Anonymous No.1795775]

>>1795772
Imo the nose shadow looks too flat but i dont know how to fix it

[Anonymous No.1795776]

>>1795764
Alright, which course do I start with?

[Anonymous No.1795777]

Links to vippppluu?

[Anonymous No.1795780]

>>1795769
Thanks for the headsup, I actually am more comfortable with free-hand perspective, but I still want to now what goes into the more carefully done perspective, since like you said would be an immensely useful tool.

Then I can draw wild shit like Nihei

[Anonymous No.1795783]

Is it a good idea to start doing studies of stylized work early, or just stick to studying real life and realistic art? I want to eventually draw stylized work, but I'm afraid of studying it without knowing everything about realistic art.

[Anonymous No.1795784]

>>1795780
Man, I love his Abara manga.
The designs for the suits were cool as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1795785]

>>1795776
Read his Drawing Manual first.

[Anonymous No.1795789]

>>1795783
With anything it's always good to have your fundamentals down before trying to stylize, so you dont have any gaps in your knowledge.

[Anonymous No.1795791]

>>1795783
you should do both. there are fundamentals to stylization too. when you learn how to ride a bike you don't learn how to pedal and work the breaks first then how to steer later after your pedalling is perfect.

[Anonymous No.1795798]

how could i keep myself motivated when my drawings are shit?

[Anonymous No.1795807]

I have no clue what order to go in
I'd love to get to this >>1789730 level and start making comics like sam alden does

[Anonymous No.1795811]

Links to VippLUplulplllu?

[Anonymous No.1795905]

Is it wrong for me to feel discouraged when I see artists about my age who has been practicing seriously for years and are leagues better than me while I'm just at a basic level? It kind of makes me feel like there is no chance in hell that I can catch up to them. And no, I'm not complaining or blaming anyone for this, it just is what it is. I am a little bumbed that I didn't take drawing seriously back in the day when I had all the free time in the world. Can anyone relate?

[Anonymous No.1795909]

>>1795905
yes it's wrong of you.

[Anonymous No.1795911]

Every time I draw I get irrationally angry

[Anonymous No.1795913]

>>1795905
Do you have time now to improve your craft? Why are you comparing yourself with someone who has already gone through the learning process?
You can't possibly deduce who would turn out to be a better artist; a 28yr old or an 18yr old who both have put in 3yrs of work.
The only key factor here is how effective the time is used. (I'm not delving into talent/other factors)
Put more time into your craft, then we'll talk.

Also don't try to 'catch up' with them. Aim higher.

[Anonymous No.1795918]

>>1795905
The thing is there will always be people like that.
Getting discouraged by minute shit like that is dumb.
Plus, if you actually try hard enough and devote yourself to getting better you can probably get better than those people you're getting discouraged by.

I mean shit, chances are there are people out there worse than you so why sweat the small stuff?
Just draw and be happy man.

[Anonymous No.1795940]

>>1795913
>>1795918
Thanks for the positive advice.

[Anonymous No.1795966]

http://imgur.com/a/nsIdj

[Anonymous No.1795986]

>>1795940
It's funny that I manage to give people advice on these types of things but I never manage to take my own advice.

God damn I hate having a this moronic mentality that I have nothing to do when I could clearly be drawing.
I'm still trying to completely change my way of thinking so to speak.
I wanna go in thinking that if i'm not drawing I'm wasting my own time on doing dumb shit.
Kinda crazy what boredom can do to you.

[Anonymous No.1796030]

Okay so im going through fun with pencil, and the fact that loomis completly fucked up both feet here combined with the general dislike for loomis makes me doubt wether or not i should use his books.
What are some alternatives for construction?

[Anonymous No.1796039]

>>1796030
Loomis and Hampton seem to be the go-to guys.

tbh, Loomis is a decent enough start but Fun with a Pencil is really aimed at those guys who just want to draw for fun and not go much further, Loomis even says as much in the intro.

[Anonymous No.1796040]

>>1796030
Vilppu and Hampton.

Someone should add them to the sticky as alternatives. Seriously. This question has probably repeated a thousand times in here.

[Anonymous No.1796043]

>>1796040
They are in the sticky

[Anonymous No.1796045]

>>1796039
Vilppu and Hampton*

[Anonymous No.1796052]

>>1796043
Links to vilppu lectures?

[Anonymous No.1796054]

>>1796040
People should try reading the sticky for once.

[Anonymous No.1796055]

>>1796052
google.com
bittorrent.com
Yarghh

[Anonymous No.1796058]

>>1796043
>>1796054

They are, but not as an alternative for FWAP. I was thinking it's better to use them later and wasted fuckton of time on drawing silly faces without understanding a shit about the process. Vilppu for example is more intuitive and it was a matter of hours to understand things I was struggling with for days when studying Loomis.

[Anonymous No.1796059]

>>1796055
>bittorrent.com

you don't like freedom don't you

[Anonymous No.1796115]

I took a break from construction to try my hand at working with tones, which I don't think turned out completely terrible. The construction still leaves a lot to be desired (mainly that garish hand) but the tone is much better than my previous attempts.

[Anonymous No.1796125]

>>1795762
it's never to early and never to late.

vilppu is good for all stages.

[Anonymous No.1796144]

>>1796058
Not everyone has the same goals as you and not every author will do for everybody.

Plus you clearly didn't ready the sticky. Reading the absolute beginner part, they recommend, Fun with Pencil, Key to Drawing, Right side of the brain, Perspective made easy and like >>1796054 pointed out, Vilppu and even more authors.

Number one mistake beginners do is falling for the mindset "i started this book now i have to finish it". Please don't fall for it, get as many books as you can. Didn't understand Fun with pencil construction? Go and try Key to drawing, etc...


Repeat after me:
Just because something worked for me doesn't mean it'll work for everybody.

[Anonymous No.1796156]

Drew for 52 hours in July. That's real low when I think about it, fuck.

[Anonymous No.1796158]

>>1796144
Never said so. I agree with you anon. What I'm talking about is that sticky is suggesting Vilppu and Hampton as something more complicated, something you should consider reading AFTER FWAP and that's simply not true, you can read them instead of FWAP, simultanously with FWAP etc. and most of beginners not feeling Loomis are thinking that they have to finish FWAP first and they will lack of something if they skip the step. I've found some of Loomis books helpful, some not. It was a good Idea to read them all anyway.

[Anonymous No.1796160]

>>1796156
Those should be weekly hours, mang.

[Anonymous No.1796190]

>>1796160
I know. That's my next goal. ;_;

[Anonymous No.1796201]

just started loomis' pencil for fun thing (dude's chill as hell)

a-am I doing good /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1796202]

>>1796201
>lined paper
no.

[Anonymous No.1796205]

>>1796202
o-okay

[Anonymous No.1796228]

Hey guys, I what's a good method of painting light reflex on a metal non polished surface?

[Anonymous No.1796234]

>>1796201
Yes

[Anonymous No.1796264]

starting on tones

[Anonymous No.1796336]

I was enjoying "New Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain" for its simple, satisfying exercises and ease of reading, but then suddenly all of the exercises require that viewing window, the charcoal, viewfinders, and a felt marker. It really feels like playing a free game then hitting a paywall, "Be sure to buy my artistry pack that you'll need to be an artist!" she says. Just frustrated and venting.
Should I move on to another book?

[Anonymous No.1796337]

Is $564(costs of books not included) worth it for a community college drawing class?

[Anonymous No.1796341]

>>1796337
Where the fuck do you live?

[Anonymous No.1796342]

>>1796341
bellingham washington

[Anonymous No.1796345]

>>1796336
dats what you get for not using keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.1796359]

So I'm trying to start Drawing on the right side of the brain.

Do I actually need ALL the materials it says? Can I just do it with the pencils, and coloring pencils I have lying around? (Maybe a marker too)

[Anonymous No.1796362]

>>1796359
just f*cking do keys to drawing or something

[Anonymous No.1796378]

>>1796362
It's probably because the sticky lists Right side first so everyone thinks, "Okay I'll do this first then"

[Anonymous No.1796380]

>>1796337
Depends on what they are teaching there. One indication that their course is good, life drawing classes, if they have them it might be worth it checking out.

>>1796359
Yes you can. Right side is full of bullshit feel good wall of text gimmicks but some exercises are good, so do them and >>1796362

[Anonymous No.1796384]

>>1796380
Thanks for the synopsis.

[Anonymous No.1796463]

>mfw FWAP is the 1930s equivalent of a How to Draw Manga book

[Anonymous No.1796485]

When i look at my horrible drawings i have such a deep feeling of disgust, i feel physically sick, its like the same feeling i would get seeing two husky men blowing each other. with every screw-up it feels like my chest gets tighter, its like i'm crying without tears.
I want to know if this disappointment is normal, it looks like everyone else here enjoys practice and progress, sitting down to practice feels like i'm tying my own noose, it never feels fun or rewarding.

[Anonymous No.1796489]

>>1796485
Congratulations, you are now an Artist. Pull yourself together and git gud.

[Anonymous No.1796508]

>>1796485
Embrace the feeling.
Embrace it hard.
Then rise from the ashes of disgust and despair and stop being a homo and draw more.

[Anonymous No.1796511]

>>1796485
Realise that you will never be satisfied.

Once you become good enough to pass a certain idealized aesthetic threshold - you will realize you still suck. You will continue finding flaws and not being satisfied.

At least I hope you will. That means you're not delusional.

Learn to be comfortable with your shittiness. Enough so that you allow confidence enough to constantly improve. Then you'll be getting somewhere

[Anonymous No.1796597]

>>1796485
Oh look, it's literally every artist ever

[Anonymous No.1796601]

>>1796511
bullshit. that's just what people who think they're better than they are say.

[Anonymous No.1796606]

>>1796601
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Same thing applies to art. Obviously not everyone falls to this because the world isn't black-or-white.

[Anonymous No.1796614]

>>1796597
Then why do people do it, smartass?
It's like you took that sentence straight from a "common shitposts playbook"

[Anonymous No.1796615]

>>1796597
I definitely don't think very skilled artists have that mentality any more.

Unless you think every night Rapoza stares at his art and cuts his wrists and crawl into a foetal position.

[Anonymous No.1796617]

>>1796606
indeed, although i think it's a little more complex.

in art people think they're better than they are, but they also see that this or that particular drawing isn't very good.

so they're always producing art worse than what they think they can produce, which is very frustrating, i imagine.

[Anonymous No.1796621]

>>1796617
>in art people think they're better than they are
Except the opposite is definitely evident. Many artists view their own art poorly.

What you're saying is the opposite of what I've posted, so I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.1796637]

>>1796621
they view the art they make poorly. they think that they're good artists though. if they thought they were shit and they're art was shit it wouldn't generate any anxiety. its because they think they're a good artist who just can't get it together enough to produce art of the quality they're capable of that they feel bad. cognitive dissonance.

[Anonymous No.1796638]

>>1796264
they are still suffering from symbol drawing, what have you been studying

[Anonymous No.1796681]

>>1796359
A plastic picture plane might be nice. You can do without it though if you absolutely want to

[Anonymous No.1796708]

>>1796614
Because they wanna get better at conveying their ideas and emotions, nignog.

[Anonymous No.1796848]

Anyone have a link to a pdf/epub/whatever of the The Vilppu Drawing Manual?

[Anonymous No.1796850]

>>1796848
Go to that Swedish website with the pirates and find it

[Anonymous No.1796852]

>>1796848
>google 'Vilppu Drawing Manual PDF'
>literally first link

If you're this mentally challenged you should give up on life right away.

[Anonymous No.1796861]

>>1796852
O-oh. I actually forgot to google it, kek. DuckDuckGo gave different results.

[Anonymous No.1796921]

I don't understand this line at all.
It's telling me how to determine my vanishing points, right? But what does it mean by "it extends from the artist's eye and is parallel to the line he is drawing."? What line? I can't visualize it at all

[Anonymous No.1796926]

>>1796921
put up the whole page pls.

[Anonymous No.1796930]

>>1796921
might just be a very awkward way of describing the horizon

[Anonymous No.1796932]

Why do so many people have problems with perspective? I picked it up without any troubles other that forgetting a cylinder rule for a while. I hear so many artists complain about perspective, what am i missing?

[Anonymous No.1796942]

>>1796926
>>1796930

[Anonymous No.1796946]

>>1796932
some people, or even a lot of people i guess don't have much aptitude for spacial reasoning.

[Anonymous No.1796948]

>>1796932
Why should you care? What the hell kind of post is this?

[Anonymous No.1796950]

>>1796932

I have issues putting it into practice. Or at least combining it with composition (a huge necessity in animation for me). I have problems drawing closeups for some reason.

[Anonymous No.1796956]

>>1796932
Big boy.

[Anonymous No.1796963]

Any good exercises for ghosting? I'm practicing line control, elipses etc everyday but that's not it. Every drawing I made looks like a mess. I can make my lines look good but my line economy is terrible.

[Anonymous No.1796977]

>>1796963
>I'm practicing line control, elipses etc everyday but that's not it.
Well if you get good at line control you won't need dozens of lines just to get one line correct

[Anonymous No.1796989]

>>1796977
Maybe I've used the wrong words. When I'm adding some volume to my gesture, I'm using a huge amount of elipses, they are looking like elipses etc. My problem is using them when it's not necessary, I know that to make a cylinder I need only two elipses but i'm using more because everytime I'm trying to "feel the form" (thank you based Vilppu) I'm drawing everything instead of ghosting it. Thanks to Dynamic Sketching My stright lines are somewhat stright, my elipses are looking like elipses but now I need something to fix my bad habit of using too many of them.

[Nomiko !mtepES430g No.1797089]

Went from RSotB -> PME -> Vilppu -> Hampton. I gave up. Still could not draw properly. Drawing was not fun; I did not properly understand drawing.

I want drawing to be /fun/ again, I need the basics and I need to learn to draw for enjoyment and without fear of drawing.

Hence... I went back to the basics and picked up Keys to Drawing, to instill drawing as enjoyable, to make drawing everything a habit, to not care about how shit I think I am at drawing but just to enjoy the process but strive to improve at the same time.

So far it's working and I think that it will continue to be. I've taken a gladful step back and set my foot anew with the map to success.

(also my goal is to draw cute girls doing cute things)

[Anonymous No.1797096]

>>1797089
>(also my goal is to draw cute girls doing cute things)
That might be your problem, i see lots of people in here going dry into the technical part of drawing, forgetting that you should be having fun while doing it.

My advice is, set a fixed schedule to learn proper drawing and after go crazy, draw your lolis being eaten by dicks, whatever floats your boat. Bonus point if you manage to incorporate what you just learned into your animu.

Something like this:
15-30 minutes of line and ellipse training/warm up
1-2 hours of proper study
30m-1 hour of fun

[Nomiko !mtepES430g No.1797098]

>>1797096
Thank you and I really appreciate the advice!
I will work this into my drawing schedule.

[Anonymous No.1797103]

>>1797098
Set a goal for yourself. Ask yourself what you wanna be doing in 3-5 years with your art and realize that time not spent drawing is time not spent working towards your goal.

[Anonymous No.1797110]

Share the last drawing / exercise you did, no matter how shitty it is or why you did it

[Anonymous No.1797125]

Is it that bad to use lined paper? I have a 100 sheet sketchbook, and a little 32 sheet sketchpad thing but I'm almost scared to use real paper when I still suck at drawing. I feel like I'll go through and waste my sketch paper really quickly.
If lined paper is that shitty tho I'll say fuck it and practice on the blank ones

[Anonymous No.1797134]

>>1797110
Kill me
I'm going back to studying from references. I can't shade for shit.

[Anonymous No.1797138]

>>1797096
>Something like this:
if i followed that schedule, how many times a week would i have to draw?

[Anonymous No.1797140]

>>1797138
Everyday.

[Anonymous No.1797145]

>>1797138
You should be drawing as much as you can for as long as you can.

[Anonymous No.1797242]

>>1797125
Don't you have print paper or those cheap A4 ones? Cmon man 100 sheets are like 2 dollars. Lined is bad because you'll end up using the lines as reference for size so when you go to normal paper you'll be kinda lost.

One last thing, remember to always see if your paper is alkaline, non-alkaline don't survive the action of time and weather.

[Anonymous No.1797248]

>>1797242
Well right now I'm using one I got from work. It's just a Bienfang sketchbook. It says "take me along" on the bottom. I don't know if it's alkaline, I'm not even entirely too sure what that is. Hopefully these beginner sketches will last me enough to marvel at them when I'm actually good

[Anonymous No.1797568]

>>1796030
I just finished loomis's figure drawing book and it helped me so much

[Anonymous No.1797623]

So I got this by looking at my hand, and I made some rough sketches of it in other position. But I cannot draw it too well without the reference. Is there a way to get off the physical and just draw it from my imagination? I've only been drawing for about a week so I'm not very familiar with things.

[Anonymous No.1797624]

>>1797623
>Is there a way to get off the physical and just draw it from my imagination?
Yeah and it starts with studying and drawing from the physical.

[Anonymous No.1797656]

Why is it hard to tell he is looking down?

[Anonymous No.1797659]

>>1797656
You essentially just moved his face down and nothing more, also:
>Chicken scratching
Stop it Anon you're hurting me

[Anonymous No.1797666]

how do I lineart without 'chicken scratching'?

[Anonymous No.1797667]

>>1797666
Belive in yourself and actually know what to draw.
Just know that chicken scratching is bad for now, for some people it slowly stops, for me it just clicked all of a sudden

[Anonymous No.1797677]

>>1797666
When you start you have to make a conscious effort not to. Start off by making good lines in your art, even if your not consistently drawing them where you want to. As you do so, you'll build up confidence and hopefully you will stop. Also drawing exercises might help

[Anonymous No.1797699]

What would you recommend to someone who draws with the left side of the brain, so to speak? I just can't into Loomis and Vilppu with all the "feel the flow". It just doesn't translate to canvas. Perspective I get instantly, and following someone like Michael Hampton seems to give me way more understanding.

[Anonymous No.1797701]

>>1797699
Ignore the pseudoscience of drawing with the right side of the brain, it's good to give confidence in the reader to try but there is no actual proven studies about it.
All you are actually doing when in "R-mode" is looking for FORM instead of OBJECT. So instead of seeing, say, a pancake, you don't think "Oh a pancake i can eat it" you think "Oh hey a very short cylinder".
You get what i'm trying to say?

[Anonymous No.1797703]

>>1797701
Keys to Drawing and even Loomis impart the same concepts.

[Anonymous No.1797711]

>>1797701
I get you, I get you. I understand the direction of what the authors are trying to direct at the reader. I come from background which involves computer modelling/graphics, so I'm good at visualizing form. The problem is, that does not translate to actually drawing it. They keep assuming I want to be all "artistic" (pardon the misuse) and can't handle the technical gruff. They are trying to "ease" me in, and I find the hand-holding very off-putting and frankly counter-productive. Days of drawing Loomis' heads hasn't been as beneficial as a few hours of Hampton's construction.

[Anonymous No.1797718]

to any and all beginners out there, I can recommend the book "How to draw comics the Marvel way".

It teaches the basics of construction, perspective and anatomy, but also natural dynamic poses, making someone look more "heroic" or "villainous", how to make a functioning "story-board" and more.

Used to be you could find it on /rs/, but since that's gone now, I think that Google might help.

[Anonymous No.1797721]

I never thought perspective would give me a hard time.
How do I translate a top view 2D diagram into a front view 3D perspective? Pic related.
More specifically: how do I determine the exact position of the vanishing points on my horizon and the angle of the lines/the point of interception of the lines? Do I just draw a vertical line somewhere and work from there? It can't be just that.

Damn, it feels like I'm in math class again. I seem to understand the theory but can't put it into practice.

[Anonymous No.1797797]

Very new to all this gesture business. Any tips\pointers?
Looking back at them, I think a lot of these are pretty bad. I'll just have to keep going.

[Anonymous No.1797800]

>>1797797
you're doing alright, keep practicing

[Anonymous No.1797820]

>>1797797
Try to use fewer lines, and make them flow through the figure, don't just cut them off at landmarks or have seperate ones for limbs, i wouldn't worry about using so much cross contouring just yet.

Don't add any details you don't need to define the figure or its movement
movement, that's for later stages.

I see remnants of stick figures too, remember that gesture lines are pretty much supposed to be your guidelines so don't be making guidelines for your guidelines.

[Anonymous No.1797826]

>>1797800
>>1797820
Thanks a bunch for your advice!
The stick figures might be me being unsure about how to draw the limbs when I don't _feel_ the flow of the muscles. And yeah, I'm abusing the contour lines, aren't I.

[Anonymous No.1797867]

>>1797721
I am going through the same book(I'm on page 90) and that wasn't a hard part. In fact, till now there really wasn't anything hard about this book yet. 2PP seems to be rather easy atm. Only problem I have is that it still hasn't answered a few questions of mine but i think they will cover that later on.

Anyway, the point of this section is to show you why the vanishing points are where they are. You don't have to translate the top down view into the front view. He did.
Anyway, what he did is rather simple. You see the line right under "1"? That's the line you have in your cubiod that is directly in fron of you The 1 and 2 are obviously VP, the line that connects them is the eye level or horizon.
All this pic shows is that if you turn around your field of view changes, the way the cube looks like changes. You can keep turning around until you are at the point where the 2PP turns into 1PP(third position), if you keep turning then you will get a 2PP again(fourth position), the difference being that this time 1 and 2 are switched. If you look at the previous positions you will see that the VP used to be in the piece of paper. In the fourth position, the VP is outside of it. But that's irrelevant. He was just illustrating a point: the way your view of the cube changes if you turn around.

[Anonymous No.1797872]

>>1797721
>how do I determine the exact position of the vanishing points on my horizon

draw a cube, it's lines will usually extent to 2VP, you just gotta draw the lines all the way through to the horizon(where you will find both VP, in 2PP all lines, except for the vertical/perpendicular lines extent to the VPs)
remember from the beginning of the book: if you place the VP too close together, the drawing wont look good(page 49 et seqq.)

>Do I just draw a vertical line somewhere and work from there?

that's up to you. you can start with a cube and work to the VP or you start with the VP and work towards the cube. how big or far away the cube is from the vp and horizon lines is all up to you(horizon line equals eye level also)

[Anonymous No.1797914]

some practice

[Anonymous No.1797918]

>>1797914
Did you do it on some kind of tablet? Or why are the lines so shitty? It's nice otherwise

[Anonymous No.1797919]

>>1797914

pretty good for a beginner

captcha: applause atemass

[Anonymous No.1797921]

>>1797918
They're not shitty lines, they're pretty good! Nice work anon.

[Anonymous No.1797924]

>>1797921
i agree.
it looks like op just drew without erasing any lines, and without pen pressure.
he describes the forms pretty well.

[Anonymous No.1797936]

>>1797914
Those messy lines activate my autism.

[Anonymous No.1798052]

>>1797914
I like that technique, is it something you came up with?

[Anonymous No.1798100]

20 minutes exercise...

[Anonymous No.1798120]

>>1798100
neat

[Anonymous No.1798135]

>>1797914
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.1798151]

>>1797914
damn nigga you're no beginner

[Anonymous No.1798164]

I've been trying to study Vilppu. Any thoughts on this?

[Anonymous No.1798166]

>>1798164
draw from life

[Anonymous No.1798191]

>>1798164
Read more vilppu

[Anonymous No.1798194]

>>1797914

Dat awesome construction and detail.

[Anonymous No.1798206]

I need a day off.

[Anonymous No.1798208]

>>1798206
what am i looking at

[Anonymous No.1798211]

>>1798208

I think he turned that mans benis into a elephant

[Anonymous No.1798225]

>>1795722
What exactly did you read on composition? So far I've only seen the ConceptArt.org free video on it.

[Anonymous No.1798232]

>>1798211
Yes. B-bhut why, though?

[Anonymous No.1798236]

>>1798232
Because Art.

[Anonymous No.1798282]

>>1798232
probably because it didn't turn out the way he wanted it to, so he said "fuck it" and made it a guy riding an elephant

[Anonymous No.1798310]

>>1796336
You don't need the viewfinder! All you have to do is use an other method of reference to get your proportions right.

[Anonymous No.1798430]

>>1797914
>beginner

[Anonymous No.1798560]

>>1795769

>per say

[Anonymous No.1798561]

Dumb question, but I am a beginner which is why I came here
Which circle is the best? I was going to draw a head, but I'm not sure how to start honestly

[Anonymous No.1798572]

>>1798561
The first one

[Anonymous No.1798582]

I always get to a part where i can never go any further, and i have no idea why.
I just completely loose interest and pick up something else but this is all i've got so far.

[Anonymous No.1798583]

i just want some feedback on this. i know i need to work on the nose and eyes some more and take the top of the head down. ref pic next

[Anonymous No.1798584]

>>1798583

[Anonymous No.1798588]

>>1798584
>>1798583
Try converting the photo into monochrome so you can better understand values and contrast.

[Anonymous No.1798591]

>>1798588
neat suggestion. ill try it. thanks!

[Anonymous No.1798618]

>sticky
>practice
doing that but can I get a critique on this one

[Anonymous No.1798638]

>>1798618
Study facial relativity, and then take another look at your drawing. You'll be able to see how to adjust the features into something comfortable.

[Anonymous No.1798651]

>>1797867
>>1797872
Ah. I was looking way too much into it then. I thought I had to apply it this way to precisely determine my vanishing points. Apparently the only thing he's trying to say is that the position of the points and the direction of the lines change when you see the cube from a different angle. In that case, problems solved. Thank you both!

[Anonymous No.1798653]

>>1797914
Damn you! You make me feel like shit again. Nice work.

[Anonymous No.1798661]

Clusterfuck of gestures, just started with Hampton

anything I could work on?

[Anonymous No.1798694]

>>1798651
>Apparently the only thing he's trying to say is that the position of the points and the direction of the lines change when you see the cube from a different angle

exactly.

[Anonymous No.1798706]

Is Loomis Necessary for drawing Animu Cute Girls Doing Cute things?

[Anonymous No.1798709]

>>1798706
You can use also hampton and vilppu to help you draw chinese cartoon girls.

[Anonymous No.1798710]

>>1798706
You always need loomis you silly goose.
Seriously, you fucking need loomis.
Not Loomis specifically, but 'fun with pencil' is easy to get into construction of people.
Only once you have used construction for a very long time and you just already see the construction lines without making them, are you allowed to not have construction.

[Anonymous No.1798711]

>>1798706
Any method you choose is gonna teach you the same information just in a different format or wording. Don't stick to just one author/instructor, gather as much info as you can. Get to drawing, nigga.

[Anonymous No.1798713]

>>1795807
Hey, ever used flipaclip? You'd be bomb.

[Anonymous No.1798716]

>>1796921
This is drawing on the right side of the brain, isn't it.

I remember reading that, 8 or so years ago, and going "wtf?!" I'm glad it still doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.1798718]

>>1796932
Do you have more trouble with abstract shapes?

I'm good with spacial stuff (shading, vanishing points) and bad with free drawing abstract/organic stuff, when it's in combination with vanishing points.

Just curious if you have the same thing going on.

[Anonymous No.1798725]

>>1796932
>I picked it up without any troubles
>this is what he actually believes
heh

[Anonymous No.1798753]

>>1798052
i doubt it. i've seen this method before i just can't pinpoint where.

[Anonymous No.1798756]

>>1797914
Is this you?

[Anonymous No.1798763]

>>1798716
I think it's perspective made easy.

>>1798756
That's awesome.

[Anonymous No.1798765]

>>1798753
there was a guy here who did a similiar thing, he used tvpaint i think, red over a paper texture.

i think though, that's it's a fairly natural way to do it and different people could come up with it independently.

[Anonymous No.1798770]

I was wondering, is there such thing as a bad place to start?
Because, I was planning on getting some Hampton books and some Loomis books as well.
Are there any other good beginner authors I should be on the look out for?

Pic related were some of the things I drew without any practice before. Except for the foot, I looked up some construction for that, man those things are hard to draw.

[Anonymous No.1798771]

>>1795911
Try aiming lower in the short term. Speed up your process.

[Anonymous No.1798776]

>>1798770
some of those things are quite good. good job.

anyway, there are really two main parts to drawing. the flat drawing, reducing everything to lines or areas of tone on the paper. and the fat drawing, considering objects as 3d volumes.

most books are about fat drawings, because it's a bigger topic in the end. but at the begging you also need to read something on flat drawing, observation and measurement.

there are lots of books for that, "drawing with the right side of the brain" is good in that it teaches you about it through exercises, and just has a good mode and tone for beginners. but there are other books that are just as good, i hear "keys to drawing" mentioned, i haven't read it myself though.

there is also a book over at gutenberg called "the practice and science of drawing" which is very dry and wordy but covers the topic exceedingly well. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14264 i don't know if it's in print in physical form.

mostly it's important not to get hung up on reading, if you have an issue you're way more likely to solve it by drawing then by reading about it.

[Anonymous No.1798778]

>>1798756
Pretty sure this is le-mec; different guy.

[Anonymous No.1798788]

>>1798778
i did >>1798756 and>>1797914
i'm not le-mec, that red pen and paper texture is a tvpaint addon he made its free

[Anonymous No.1798814]

This past week I've been drawing 6-8 hours a day, but the last few days I can't be bothered to do so. I draw for an hour, then get distracted and a few hours of doing nothing go by. Then I feel bad and draw again for a couple of minutes just to give up again.

Is this normal and should I take a day off or should I pressure myself more?

[Anonymous No.1798817]

>>1798814
take a few days off

[Anonymous No.1798834]

>>1798814
I wish I could draw for 6+ hours a day, my max is 5. Take a few days off.

[Anonymous No.1798854]

You can't lose with exercises.
What are the best exercises for learning perspective?

[Anonymous No.1798889]

>>1798788
can you explain yourp pipline or show some WIPs behind you studies?

[Anonymous No.1798921]

>>1798854
Drawing from life, locating horizon lines and vanishing points in photographs, building on top of perspective grids, pretty much the exercises they suggest in perspective books.

[Anonymous No.1798940]

>>1798889
it's similiar to vilppu, with some variation

[Anonymous No.1798953]

>set a goal for the day (ex: 50 gestures)
>after fucking around for some hours I start working
>try and try but everything looks like shit and I can't make it right even after watching Vilppu
>I think I get what he says and does but I can't get good results
>get pissed and post about it on /ic/

I'm frustrated.

[Anonymous No.1798961]

>>1798953
well what is your procedure exactly. maybe you can do something in a different way. are you drawing big or small for example?

[Anonymous No.1798967]

>>1798953
Stop grinding and try to fix your gestures first, draw less but analyse what you are doing wrong. Grind when you'll be able to draw them correctly. I think my worst mistake was thinking that I will get better by mindlessly spamming quick sketches, gestures etc. If you can't do one good gesture drawing you will only waste your time on 50 bad gestures. Grinding is for learning poses, anatomy etc, not for learning how to draw lines of action or volume correctly.

[Anonymous No.1798973]

>>1798961
Not that anon, but how big should my gestures be? Is that even important?

[Anonymous No.1798975]

>>1798973
well big is just a bit easier because big sweeping motions go with big sweeping gestures, basically. small ones are fine too though. just if you're frustrated doing it one way switching it up can sometimes help.

[Anonymous No.1798977]

>>1798961
I'm drawing on A4 paper, sometimes can get 3 gestures in the same page, sometimes just one. I think I'm drawing big?

>>1798967
Thanks for the tip, I'll try.

[Anonymous No.1799035]

Does anyone think Loomis' book on drawing the head and hands is far easier to understand than the book on figure drawing?

[Anonymous No.1799043]

>>1799035
makes sense, his figures aren't the greatest, so he probably doesn't have as perfect and understanding of them, causing faff

[Anonymous No.1799121]

>>1795711
I'm just starting

[Anonymous No.1799143]

>>1799043
Who would you rec, then? Hogarth? Hampton?

[Anonymous No.1799144]

>>1799043
Shit, I haven't got enough money to buy more books,right now. What do you think I should do in the meantime? I really want to get better at figures and anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1799149]

>>1799121
how old are you?

[Anonymous No.1799150]

>>1799149
14
Why?

[Anonymous No.1799155]

>>1799150
>underaged
Leave 4chan.

[Anonymous No.1799158]

>>1799155
no

[Anonymous No.1799159]

>>1799121
>>1579290
or go back to deviantard.

[Anonymous No.1799160]

>>1799159
That site pisses me off
Just a bunch of weaboos
I'm actually trying to improve
I need to talk to people with actual experience

[Anonymous No.1799164]

>>1799150
Read the sticky, and come back in 4 years.

[Anonymous No.1799166]

>>1799164
fuk dat

[Anonymous No.1799180]

>>1799160
Read the sticky like i told you >>1799159

>>1799164
Contrary to what this anon said you don't need to come back in 4 years. Use this thread to ask questions and to post exercises that you didn't understand.

Posting things like >>1799121 and you'll just get a instant redirect to the sticky or a gtfo.


>READ THE STICKY >>1579290 buy or torrent the books, read the books and do the exercises, acquire skills.

[Anonymous No.1799195]

>>1799180
thanks

[Anonymous No.1799202]

>>1799143
I've heard either one of them is a good source for figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.1799212]

>>1799143
I personally use both Hogarth and Hampton.

Never be afraid to use more than one tutor.

[Anonymous No.1799255]

When sketching digitally I just can't seem to get lines that aren't just straight or arcs right in the first try.
I really try my best not to chicken scratch, but if I don't I have go over the line multiple times if I want to do it in one stroke which looks really messy imho or I go slow and it looks terrible because the lines are totally shaky.
What can I do?

[Anonymous No.1799296]

Okay /ic/ this is my second time posting in the whole board after months of lurking. I'm tired of basically nonexistent progress and it's about time I started taking myself and my art more seriously so I'll ask a few questions because I know where I wanna get to, but definitely not how to get there.

1) I have a Staedtler Liquid Point 7 type pen, and I'm trying to create all sorts of strokes with it, but it doesn't seem to be working. When I press harder, or when I stroke more slowly, the ink leaves itself more heavily, but just barely. Is this supposed to be normal, did I get a "bad" pen, or is my technique simply going about the wrong interpretation of how different stroke densities function?

2) (I'm not asking how to, but rather) how do YOU make figure drawings? I want to understand how others try it so maybe I can open up a little more on how this works.

Pic more or less related

[Anonymous No.1799300]

>>1799296

Oh and by how do you make figure drawings, I mean, how do you yourself go about their composition?

[Anonymous No.1799304]

>>1799255
Do these exercises for line control and when drawing try to visualize on your mind first where your line will go, don't mindlessly scratch, think first draw later.

http://youtu.be/wgDNDOKnArk

http://youtu.be/AaZmwHU7vZo

>>1799296
1) Don't know about the pen. I just use pencils so there's that.

2) Go to youtube and watch people drawing/tutorials on figure drawing. Watching other people doing it and explaining the process made a huge difference for me. Another source is Cgpeers if you have an account.

[Anonymous No.1799321]

I want to switch to digital and i know the bamboo is the recommended beginner tablet but there are a dozen models of it, is this the correct one?:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wacom-CTH470-Bamboo-Capture-Pen-and-Touch-Tablet-Factory-Refurbished-with-1-Ye-/151224863070?pt=US_Graphics_Tablets_Boards_Pens&hash=item2335b4495e

[Anonymous No.1799336]

>>1799121
cute nails though

[Anonymous No.1799344]

gesture drawing is hard, do i just need to do more or am i doing something really wrong

[Anonymous No.1799347]

this is our van cat Cleo, I tried to draw her as best as I could from memory. I really want to get better, so critique pls.

[Anonymous No.1799349]

>>1799344
You are not trying to copy the body.

You are supposed to think about the POSE and the FLOW. You've got to fucking feel it faggot.

[Anonymous No.1799354]

>>1799344

I'm no expert but I think it would help to add some shapes for starters. For another thing, I think you should try to be a little more fluid, have the whole thing come out as one "line". I can't redline this for you at the moment but what I'm basically saying is that each motion looks like enhanced versions of boring stick figures where motion and expression isn't too clear.

[Anonymous No.1799361]

>>1799349
>>1799354
thanks, you helped clear things up, i was trying to draw a skeleton type of thing without really thinking about the movement. ill try to rethink how i do them from now on.

[Anonymous No.1799362]

Here's this study I did. I didn't bend the back, back enough and I also didn't notice that the leg was slightly going in.

[Anonymous No.1799365]

>>1799321
There's no beginner tablet. Go as big and expensive as you can, unless you want carpal tunnel.

[Anonymous No.1799374]

>>1799347
Don't know if bait or not, anyway, you're symbol drawing, you're drawing what you think something is instead of what it is.
Avoid to draw from imagination untill you know the basics. Your drawing is lacking construction, anatomy, values, well basically everything. Hit the sticky or try to find one of those books who deals with how to draw animals.

[Anonymous No.1799381]

>>1799362
Does the ref look stretched to anyone else?

[Anonymous No.1799387]

>>1799374
not bait, I'm genuinely new and genuinely terrible. I've read some of fun with a pencil, but I had never tried drawing an animal before like this.

Fuck me, the fact you think it's bait makes me feels awful now

[Anonymous No.1799388]

>>1799381

Yeah sorry I didn't copy it from the page I just put it on the canvas to show it I used it from the actual site.

[Anonymous No.1799390]

>>1799362

Also to add on to what I said. I've been trying to do Vilppu's spherical form thing for the ribcage and pelvis but I always make the pelvis too big "Which is apparent in the drawing"

[Anonymous No.1799394]

>>1799387
Don't feel bad, everyone in here is\was bad, at least you know it's bad and didn't enter full defensive "it's muh style" mode, which is already a great start.

[Anonymous No.1799465]

>>1798583
an update to this

[Anonymous No.1799467]

>>1799465
fucking hell

[Anonymous No.1799493]

First attempt to draw after 2-year break.

[Anonymous No.1799497]

Started a quick pose for a character design, got carried away with anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1799506]

>>1798583
Tutorial on pencil shading, look it up. Don't be afraid to use a bigger, darker, messier pencil either.

[Anonymous No.1799510]

Which direction should my strokes be if I am shading? do I just pick randomly and stick with it?

[Anonymous No.1799550]

>>1798977
try to draw in a vertical surface holding the pencil like vilppu/proko videos

[Anonymous No.1799570]

So why did you guys take up drawing, I want to eventually create my own fetish porn in a few years.

[Anonymous No.1799572]

>>1799570
To bring my stories to life

[Anonymous No.1799573]

>>1799570

When I was 12 I started drawing because of big boobed animu and I ended up quiting after a year then I took it back up to draw life the way I wish it was

[Anonymous No.1799586]

I'm battling some pretty bad mental stuff making it hard for me to draw, i'm thinking of doing badly draw comics as a sort of therapy to make it better.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.1799588]

I'm a typical 'drew when younger, but stopped completely at some point'

Where should I start? what are good books, resources etc?

[Anonymous No.1799598]

>>1799570
I want to be able to translate my thoughts into images.

[Anonymous No.1799599]

>>1799588
Keys To Drawing/Right Side of the Brain to learn how to look at things and to give you some confidence in your drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.1799636]

>>1797797 here.
I realised that a lot of the time I was just drawing half-assed contours instead of trying to feel the flow.
I tried to pay more attention to that.
I drew a lot more, but these ones I think turned out okay? The two brown ones are from imagination (I ran out of paper).

[Anonymous No.1799652]

>>1799636
yeah they are def. better than your first ones.

>instead of trying to feel the flow.

yes, that's really important. you aren't drawing humans. gestures are just the basis. you can add the contour later on. what you want to achieve with gesture is movement.

[Anonymous No.1799651]

>>1799636
you're doing good, keep practicing

[Anonymous No.1799658]

>>1799586
If it helps you cope, do it. But keep on doing studies.

[Anonymous No.1799674]

>>1799321
Ignore the other guy and get a bamboo if you're a poorfag. I used one for years when I was a graphic designer, before I got my Cintiq. They do just fine.

[Anonymous No.1799675]

>>1798225
watched Sycras video on it, then did some legwork on the internet

[Anonymous No.1799712]

>>1795918
Thanks anon, this was helpful

[Anonymous No.1799716]

>tfw drawing with a pen is much better for you since the pencil is too forgiving

[Anonymous No.1799719]

>>1799716
try a brush pen if you wanna go big

[Anonymous No.1799739]

>>1796039
I find that to be a fucking stupid statement. It's not like these techniques are some kind of dead end skill that won't help you with drawing later, it's a cumulative thing. It also suggests that there is one way to "go further", which is again wrong. It makes me sad that people actually think this way.

[Anonymous No.1799751]

Is it normal to fail at gestures in the beginning?
I either run out of time or my gestures look like shit and inaccurate. It's really depressing and frustrating to fail at something that seems to require no drawing skill at all

[Anonymous No.1799753]

>>1799719
thanks, never heard of those

[Anonymous No.1799754]

>>1799751
Theres a little bit of thinking involved with gestures, read Michael Hamptons figure drawig book for a pro's explanation.

[Anonymous No.1799849]

How bad is my everything, /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1799851]

>>1799849
Go darker.

Use the full range of the tonal scale

Google image 'black White tonal scale'

[Anonymous No.1799853]

>>1799851
Just be wary pure blacks and pure whites hardly exist irl

[Anonymous No.1799857]

>>1799851
You're right, dang it. Haven't drawn in a while. I'd forgotten that pencils softer than hb exist.

[Anonymous No.1799883]

hi /ic/, does anybody have any advice on measuring proportions and angles?

i'm doing still life exercises right now and try to precisely measure every length and angle by using my pencil as a measuring tool.

somehow, i have massive problems with this and in the end, the proportions are way off and actually much worse than if i just draw without any method and estimate everything in the process.

for some lengths and angles it works, for others i got no idea how to do it and then im confused and fuck up.

[Anonymous No.1799901]

>>1799883
Well, there's always the grid, but if you use that you might as well be a photocopy machine.
Work your way from more general shapes to more specific ones. Does the still life fit into one big shape (a triangle\oval\square, etc)? Does the negative space form any nice patterns? The answers to both of those questions are, most likely, yes, you just have to simplify the objects to see this.
In this pic (it's a pose, but you can treat it as a still life) you might want to start with drawing the quadrilateral I've highlighted, rather than starting with the head or torso and their spatial relationship.

[Anonymous No.1799905]

>>1799883
yes its all about horizontals and verticals. is this point lower or higher, left or right of a point i've already establish. don't try to work out if somethings 30 degrees or whatever. it gets too complicated.

[Anonymous No.1799913]

>>1799901
>fake tits
ewww

[Anonymous No.1799919]

>>1799905
that's so stupid simple, I am angry I never thought of it. Thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.1799922]

>>1799849
Lots of shading details missing where two cubes meet. You kept it at the construction stage, you didn't replace these lines with real hilights/shades.

And the shading strokes themselves looks like you are uncomfortable with the tools.

[Anonymous No.1799997]

>>1799901

thanks for the advice. i will try to work my way from the overall shape to smaller shapes.

>>1799905

tbh, i dont quite understand what you mean by "its all about horizontals and verticals". regarding the rest: yeah, i sometimes draw that way, i.e. i place new objects in relation to objects that i have already drawn. however i wonder if that is the right approach for more complicated drawings and if it isnt better to properly measure everything in the sketching/planning phase, so that i do not fuck up later?

[Anonymous No.1800004]

What's the difference between a doing a study and drawing/taking ideas from a reference?

[Anonymous No.1800007]

>>1800004
if you're doing a study of a sexy lady like we do here mostly. you're thinking about her anatomy, working out where her bone zones are, how her boobs are shaped. how light reflecting off creamy skin looks, trying to replicate that sexy blush in her cheeks etc.

using reference is like, when you want to draw a sexy chick, but you can't do it all from imagination for one reason or another so you look at a picture of a sexy chick to help you decide what to do.

studying is analytical and is for educational purposes and reference is an aid to help you make your own original works of art.

[Anonymous No.1800012]

>>1799997
No problem. This might also be of help.

[Anonymous No.1800020]

>>1800007
And then you can always do a study while referencing.

[Anonymous No.1800032]

>>1799121
Have you ever looked at your own collarbone?
Have you?
DOES IT STICK OUT OF YOUR FUCKING SKIN AND HAVING THE EDGE OF A RAZOR?

[Anonymous No.1800035]

Do you guys do any stretches?

[Anonymous No.1800037]

>>1800035
does yer mums bunghole count?

[Anonymous No.1800038]

>>1800037
No, I was thinking more along the lines of wrist stretches and such.

[Anonymous No.1800162]

>>1800035
Yes, before and after a drawing session. Google strechting exercises for the hand and anti-Carpal tunnel syndrome exercises.

It's amazing.

[Anonymous No.1800200]

>>1800035
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm

I do this one. It makes my hands feel light as fuck and also prevents CPS, apparently.

[Anonymous No.1800234]

>>1800200

I love you

[Anonymous No.1800355]

>>1799344 here, i tried more gestures but i am struggling quite a bit. am i moving in the right direction at least?

[Anonymous No.1800368]

Is there any book besides drawings from the right side of the brain and keys for drawing that talks about symbol drawing? Symbol drawings hurts help.

[Anonymous No.1800387]

>>1797110
I was sketching unicorns.

[Anonymous No.1800392]

>>1800387
>>/mlp/

[Anomynus No.1800393]

>>1797914

>Posts this in a beginner thread

pls go

[Anonymous No.1800400]

>>1799586
Definitely do it. It'll be gratifying, productive, help you work through the shit, give you a break from the harder bits so you can focus on them more when you get back into it, provide a space for you to experiment and practice new things, and potentially give us some episodic content to work with.

[Anonymous No.1800449]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxZbsLBd3oU

opinions on this?

[Anonymous No.1800451]

>>1800387

not bad but the green on has an unatural pose with that back leg just put it on the ground

[Anonymous No.1800466]

>>1800451

Not the guy who drew it but horses actually can and will stand with one of their back legs only resting on the pointy end of the hoof if they're completely relaxed and at ease.

Also I hate it when people draw unicorns as horses with a stupid crooked thin as fuck horn glued on. Look at the unicorn tapestries, they were always depicted as a horse/goat/deer hybrid with cloven hooves, a lion's tail, a beard and horns like a narwhal's.

[Anonymous No.1800469]

>>1799304
Hello there, I was a pretty avid drawer in middle school but never found any time for it in high school. Anyways, you say you draw with pencil - two things, a) do you use mechanical or regular pencil and b) does it really matter what type of graphite you use? rephrasing b), can you make a great drawing with just hb or 2b graphite?

[Anonymous No.1800470]

>>1800451
>>1800466

Though I agree that in this case it's neither resting like what I described nor is it looking like a horse's natural gait. Straighten out those legs brah.

[Anonymous No.1800472]

>>1800032
THAT's what you're going to get worked up about?

[Anonymous No.1800481]

I just realized i could read all the text in the different books in Stampers voice. This makes it like one thousand times more enjoyable and hilarious to me.

[Anonymous No.1800483]

>>1800449
Can be used as an alternative to the sticky but bare in mind that he goes beyond intermediate level in this video. Everything before 4:20 minutes is what i consider beginner-level. He add lots of superfluous things that is only relevant to him beyond the 4:20 mark but if you want to draw manga i guess it's decent recommendations.

If you're going to follow this try not to get too excited, jumping steps or you'll fail miserably.

>>1800469
a) Both, i use mechanicals for little details, precision and normal pecils for everything else.

b)Yes, if you have the skills and know what you're doing. Hb, 2b are hard pencils, they can be a pain in the ass to erase if you go too dark to the point of damaging the paper. Another thing is, shadowing with it will get you that metallic glow on some papers, this can break the aesthetics of a draw. They are A-okay when you're starting but try to get a hold of others H's and B's pencils, they make a big difference, especially when studying values.
Watch this:
http://youtu.be/FoyaGaFajSU

[Anonymous No.1800488]

>>1800449
>drawing on the right side of the brain
no

[Anonymous No.1800505]

Guys, how the fuck do I get better at values? I'm gonna dump three recent drawins I did below with their references. What the fuck... Cue rambling:

I'm using paper with some tooth to it and it looks so gritty and splotchy, but plenty of great artists use paper with heavy texture... I'm trying to avoid blending too, but evertyhing looks so streaky even when I shade slowly. How do you shade across the whole paper with 1 stroke? If I lift the pencil up and begin shading again, sometimes I get a darker value line where I shade. And when I try to follow the shape outlines when I shade, the strokes become scratchier than if I just carefully shade in 1 direction... Gah. Any recommendations on how to practice rendering more effectively? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1800508]

>>1800505

couldn't find the reference online for the woman picture, but it's from the high contrast models book from that 4chan OP that posted the pirated art book tumblr.

Here's a shape drawing I did.

[Anonymous No.1800509]

>>1800508
Oops, forgot attachment. Here.

[Anonymous No.1800510]

>>1800509
and here's the reference.

[Anonymous No.1800512]

>>1800483
Thanks a ton for the info and video. Definitely cleared up some confusion I had.

[Anonymous No.1800513]

>>1800510
Sorry for the spam dump guys, here's the final drawing.

[Anonymous No.1800517]

>>1800513
And the reference for that.

[Anonymous No.1800538]

>>1800513
well keep it up..it's a bit easier to tone the whole shape and use an eraser to do the light parts when you're doing this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.1800544]

Why the exercises to heal symbol drawings doesn't work for me? I'm sad.

[Anonymous No.1800546]

>>1800544
Did you draw upside down images? That helped me alot.

[Anonymous No.1800555]

>>1800546
Going to try it, thank you.

[Anonymous No.1800576]

look i did another doge. but i have a question. the ref pic doesn't go as far left as the paper does. how should improvise it? symbol draw? just look at the real life doge and try to find some fur pattern and mimic that? ref pic next.

[Anonymous No.1800577]

>>1800576

[Anonymous No.1800579]

>>1800576
Why won't you try getting a book on how to draw animals?

[Anonymous No.1800582]

>>1800579
i did and its basically one of those

>step1
>draw the outline
>step2
>draw the fucking doge

books

is it that bad?

[Anonymous No.1800583]

>>1800576
You could've turned the paper the ref pic like it was

[Anonymous No.1800584]

>>1800583
true but i wanted him to be large in the pic and i wanted the paws but i didnt want the rest of the couch and other stuff so i chose landscape. i didn't think the rest of his body would be so hard

[Anonymous No.1800599]

>>1800466
>unicorns don't look like that, they look different

I have some bad news for you, anon...

[Anonymous No.1800618]

>Finish Loomis
>Suck at faces
>Start on Hampton
>Rapid improvement
Why did i ever doubt the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1800620]

New: >>1800619

[Anonymous No.1800721]

>>1800488
You don't recommend it?

[Anonymous No.1801455]

>>1800721
Keys to Drawing is better from what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.1804726]

>>1795905
The thing with artists is that we are always taught to be critical of our work, but we often forget that we should still remember to love it at the same time. If we forget this, then no matter how much more skilled you get, it will show up in your work.

I felt the same way as you do at one point, and to be honest, it doesn't really go away. My suggestion is to store the artwork you are doing now to look at later, so that when you feel discouraged, you have something to look back on to make you remember how far you've come. The book that helped me get over a big slump is called "Drawing on the Right side of the Brain", and I strongly recommend it. Keep up the work, and it will come.