Alternative Art/Stylization General

[Anonymous No.1781771]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"No matter how much you know of anatomy and the construction of the figure, you will not be able to draw figures form imagination until you can relate the different parts of the figure to a horizon."

Previous Thread: >>1775590

A general message to aspiring artists: "Lack of knowledge can be greater torture than the effort of acquiring it. When all is said and done, nature is your best instructor."

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "No fun allowed."

[Anonymous No.1781799]

>>1781771
>Dat hair
How? I have seen this style around and I love it but how its done?

[Anonymous No.1781804]

>>1781799
try to use brush to paint.

[Anonymous No.1781808]

>>1781771
getting tired of seeing this shit

[Anonymous No.1781811]

>>1781808
It's real simple.

[Anonymous No.1781830]

anyone knows a good artist that dose a lot of chibi style ? i want to reserch this style.

[Anonymous No.1781857]

>>1781808
we all are

[Anonymous No.1781878]

>>1781808
>>1781857
>Oh god 4chan x is so hard to use
>Holy fuck, this button is so hard to click
>Fuck me, why are there so many dicks in or around my mouth?!

[Anonymous No.1781886]

>>1781878
You don't need 4chanx, 4chan has basically a built-in addon now

[Anonymous No.1781911]

>>1781886
I was commenting on how one can actually filter threads by subject. Granted the subject name stays they same there is no interaction with whatever you hide ever again unless it flairs one's buttautism that it still exists.

[Anonymous No.1781922]

>>1781808
>>1781857

>ah mah gaaad i hate alt thread so much dat i need 2 past in her about how i hate eet !!

[Anonymous No.1781925]

>>1781886
i still use 4chan x. it's so much better than the inline extension.

[Anonymous No.1781938]

>>1781830
Yuji Himukai
sho-n-d

[Anonymous No.1781990]

lolollolo why ya gotta use my art OP. I have some very dedicated haters here on ic

[GreyDeath No.1782020]

>>1781990
Anime Femlin! Nice!

[Anonymous No.1782028]

eh? eeh?

[Anonymous No.1782031]

>>1782028
Proportions look off but I really dig the style.

[Anonymous No.1782033]

>>1781990
That just means you're doing something right because other d/ic/kbutts are jelly.

[Anonymous No.1782042]

>>1781990
you do? don't think i've seen you before?

[Anonymous No.1782046]

>>1781990
i dont know who you are - post more pics or even better site/name please

[Anonymous No.1782146]

Anyone knowledgable on manga / anime styles, what would the style used by JJFrenchie in this >>1780656 thread be called? Not the futa subject matter, but the actual style of fairly realistic but still clearly stylised. Any artists known to use a similar style?

[Anonymous No.1782170]

>>1782146
it doesn't have a name. it also isn't fairly realistic, it's just a touch less symbolic than manga. it looks really french, manga was a big influence in france but they also had a strong and fun history of their own with comics, stuff like asterix and obelix, tin tin etc.

not saying it is french, but that's what it looks like so you could probably find more by looking at some french artists.

[GreyDeath No.1782199]

>>1782146
Grr. I wouldn't call his subject matter Futa. To me it means females with a vagina and a dick. He's drawing Traps, boys/men with breasts but no vagina.

That being said, he's got a very nice style, tending to favor the more anime looking stuff to his more naturalistic big lipped stuff.

You can call it a European Manga style since that's what it looks like. Vatine has some nice stuff. Look for a scan of Pink Planet if you can find it. And then there's Wakfu.

[Anonymous No.1782202]

>>1782170

Thanks for the help!

>>1782199

Yeah, honestly I'm pretty new to manga so I don't really know the terminology. I just came across JJFrenchies stuff and while I don't particularly enjoy the subject matter I do enjoy the style he's drawing in. Thanks for the artists, I'll check them out when I can.

[GreyDeath No.1782203]

Finally broke ground on Nostalgia 2.

[Anonymous No.1782207]

>>1782202
oh and a good place to see french comcis is heavy metal or whatever the french original was called metal hurlant or whatever. although all that stuff's probably a bit old and may not have so much manganess to it.

[Anonymous No.1782213]

>>1782207

Good stuff, thanks dude.

[Anonymous No.1782219]

>>1782199
and then she farts?

[Anonymous No.1782231]

>>1781990
I don't think I've seen anyone hate you?

[Anonymous No.1782254]

I only come here for Kyle
Where's he?

[Anonymous No.1782276]

>>1781771
Is that Kyle's?
Something about the way the eyes are done make me think so.


Also, Kyle if you see this.
Update your blog man.

[Anonymous No.1782277]

>>1782276
that's too subtle for kyle

[Anonymous No.1782293]

>>1782276

That isn't Kyle

[Anonymous No.1782294]

>>1782276
post link to blog pls

[Anonymous No.1782301]

>>1782276
Not enough uncanny valley face and chicken legs for it to be Kyle.

>>1782294
kairunoburogu

[Anonymous No.1782302]

[Anonymous No.1782303]

>>1782203
You make me feel good about my chicken scratch.

Speaking of chicken scratch how the hell do I get rid of it? People say to draw with your arm but it's so uncomfortable for me, especially when trying to make bold lines for the final lineart (at least on paper)

[Anonymous No.1782310]

>>1782303
its not so much about how you draw but about the line.

a line is a statement. so if it were conversation say, chicken scratch is like a stutter, 'he -hel -ell- lo' while a single line is like a nice bold word, 'hello!'

that's why it looks bad, you aren't being clear. so the thing to do is make sure you know what your want your line to say before you say(draw) it.

normally slowing down and thinking before you draw the line is enough. but 'ghosting the line' ..going over the line a few times before you actually draw it on the paper is a common way for being sure about your 'statement' before you make it. you see vilppu and the like doing that all the time, basically subconsciously.

it'd also probably be good to watch something on inking where they tend to explain the parts of the line, the bleeds and such quite well. knowing about what makes a line should make it easier, if only because you can't chicken scratch bleeds.

[Anonymous No.1782311]

>>1781322

I draw a lot, but I only draw from life. I haven't drawn cartoons or my own characters because they look so shitty I give up and leave it alone.

I think you're right though, I need to practice cartooning.

[GreyDeath No.1782315]

>>1782303
heh, that's just the layout. Pencils will be much tighter.

Yes, to get more fluid, longer lines it's better to draw using your elbow or shoulder as the pivot point. An exercise we did in Life Drawing class was to draw a series of parallel lines vertically and horizontal, trying to keep them as straight and parallel as possible in one stroke (didn't have to be fast, just consistent). Another exercise had us drawing circles on the page of different sizes. You could either swirl your arm around, overlapping lines to achieve roundness, or attempt to do them in a single stroke.

>>1782310
Agree with the "ghosting." It's akin to a golfer taking practice swings. I do have a habit of doing double lines, putting down a definite stroke, then following up with a bit of emphasis where I want. It works for me, but YMMV.

[GreyDeath No.1782316]

>>1782315
Oh, I guess I should have mentioned we were doing these exercises on 18x24" sketch pads, so it required us to use the whole arm. Doing the same on a sheet of copy or notebook paper should do just as well though.

[GreyDeath No.1782330]

An example of the arm exercise, done on a 10.5" screen on my SP2.

[Anonymous No.1782418]

From here on, I have no idea what I'm doing.

Perhaps I should stop and learn how to paint proper with some study...

[Anonymous No.1782425]

>>1781771
Question, how I set the mood with colors and effects so smootly? How I can explain this picture looks calm and light

[Anonymous No.1782433]

>>1782425
Check out the linear dodge blending (add) mode in Photoshop.
Pic related, upper circle without linear dodge, bottom one with linear dodge

[Anonymous No.1782437]

>>1782433
Thanks for replying anon. I'll check. Thing is I use SAI should I drop sai and try to learn how use photoshop?

[Anonymous No.1782441]

>>1782437
Personally I use both. SAI for lines and sketchwork and Photoshop for painting. Either way it's worth learning how to use PS

[Anonymous No.1782445]

>>1782418
I like it though, got a tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1782446]

>>1782445
I do not, but you can look at my super shitty deviant-tart instead (don't expect much)

http://zero-cal.deviantart.com/

[Anonymous No.1782568]

Please critisize my base sketch,/ic/.
How good Is It?How shit Is It?
Any feedback?
Any good things?

[GreyDeath No.1782576]

>>1782568
It looks a bit skewed. Proportions are mostly there, though the legs are a bit short, head a bit big. Leg on the left is much thicker than the one on the right. Form on the chest is flat.

[tumtumi No.1782581]

almost done and will add some color. anyone can say something about composition for this one ?

[Anonymous No.1782591]

>>1782576
Do you think this Is any better?

[GreyDeath No.1782592]

>>1782581
Brain/spikey thing should be covering her far foot. Either that or redraw her leg so it's more at more of a diagonal and covering part of his butt and the platform they're sitting on.

Other than that, it's centered nicely in the frame. Not really much of a composition when it's in blank space. Good rendering though.

[Anonymous No.1782600]

>>1781990
Based Jace.

[GreyDeath No.1782601]

>>1782591
Still seems a bit stumpy. I think what's flattening out the chest is that the horizontal lines you're making should be curving upward instead of downward. Since it seems that the camera is down by the feet, the breasts should curve upward on the form of the chest.

You're thinking of the forms as 2D patterns rather than 3D objects.

[tumtumi No.1782602]

>>1782592
okai thanks grey sempai.

[Anonymous No.1782604]

>>1782446
i love when people say they are bad and they aren't. it's a really terrible fucking joke, just stop it.
you could be MUCH MUCH worse than most people on DA. so, shut the fuck up and draw your amazing art. least you know HOW to fucking draw well. i;d kill to be able to do something like >>1782418

assholes.

[Anonymous No.1782607]

>>1782604
Not him, but modesty and knowing your place as well as putting high standards is the cause. I consider myself here the bottom of the barrel tier absolute beginner here it may be what drives to improve.

[Anonymous No.1782609]

>>1782601
Thanks a lot,I appriciate the feedback!
Can you show me though how you sketch,If It Isn't a big bother?
I think my problem may be at the base of my drawings.

[Anonymous No.1782614]

Have I made any major mistakes so far?

[Anonymous No.1782616]

>>1782607
i couldn't do that, not after having a certain amount of obvious skill. i could post something I drew and compared to >>1782418 it's complete shit. people need to understand that when you are above a certain point, you just need to refine your shit, not LEARN shit from the beginning and wonder why your shit still looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.1782618]

>>1782616
Now I am genuinely curious, post a drawing lets say your most current one. I've already posted here.

[Anonymous No.1782620]

>>1782614
Keep working

[Anonymous No.1782625]

>>1782618
trust me, its not worth it. horribly bad and you couldn't even redline it I have so many problems.
i just want to get better, much much better so I can forget how shit I was.

[Anonymous No.1782632]

>>1782614
Post your reference!

[Anonymous No.1782633]

>>1782625
Then how are you ever going to improve if you keep hiding in the shadows self loathing "oh woe is me all these Artists consider themselves shit and they're better than me" one of the key learning abilities is participation.

Auditory, Visual, Reading and most importantly hands on practice through repetition is how we learn; if reading up on the material doesn't work try a visual aid or watch a video and listen to the instructor explaining perspective. Participate.

[Anonymous No.1782637]

>>1782604

I'm sorry

But that's how I honestly feel about my stuff. Idk, could just be warped perspective because inferiority complex. I feel like it could always be better, you know? Like it's just not good enough for what standards I have for myself. I'll ramble no more :P

[Anonymous No.1782638]

Auuuugh

[Anonymous No.1782647]

>>1782632
No real reference, just a bit of an outline I drew. It's a request from a draw thread, girl on the right putting her pants on.

[Anonymous No.1782653]

>>1781771
>>1781990
has anyone the artist or any kind of source on these two?
would be much appreciated

[Anonymous No.1782688]

current wip

[Anonymous No.1782690]

>>1782647
delete key

[Anonymous No.1782694]

>>1782690
But why anon

[Anonymous No.1782696]

>>1782418
i really like the drawing but i think the non colored version looks better

[Anonymous No.1782700]

>>1782694
Don't listen to that >>1782690 asshole, as been said keep working and come back with something closer to complete. Nuff to say right now rly

[Anonymous No.1782704]

>>1779929
I published part of this in the previous thread, now I post it with some fixes that you gave me /ic/.

[tumtumi No.1782711]

>>1782688
muh duck.

[Anonymous No.1782721]

>>1782704
You have been posting here for so long and you never seem to improve, its like you just copy things that you see
without really knowing why. Learn the fundamentals already, study for example the actual breasts of woman, after you
think that you kind of get what's going on, go and look at how other good artist and i can't stress good enough stylize them
and understand why, same with everything else. Balloon breasts won't do it, we are not still in the '80s, your gesture is also
very stiff.

[Anonymous No.1782730]

>>1782688
Is she sucking on a fucking horse dick?

[Anonymous No.1782736]

>>1782647
it looks good to me but the breast and shoulders aren't in same angle of the rest of the body

[GreyDeath No.1782742]

>>1782609

Well, how I sketch probably won't help you much. I do have a test video I did a while ago.

http://youtu.be/weZCPcEu1TE

What advice I can give you is when drawing, think about the human body (or any object) in a three dimensional way. For example, the shape of a rib cage can look roundish from a front view, but more elliptical from a side view.

Knowledge of how the muscles cover the skeleton and interact with each other will help you in creating the forms of the arms, legs, hands and fingers. For example, a woman's (or man's--not judging) calf will look different in a high heel stilleto than it would wearing flip-flops. These are the things I generally think about when drawing figures. The same thing will apply to drawing animals or any creature with a skeleton. They all have some sort of physicality going on under the skin that creates its forms.

Hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.1782747]

>>1782742
Shit.

[Anonymous No.1782749]

>>1782688
ugly colors
ugly composition

[Anonymous No.1782754]

>>1782742
so at your level you really don't even need to lay anything out you just know it inately?

[Anonymous No.1782755]

A-any hope for me?

[Anonymous No.1782757]

>>1782301
>kairunoburogu
ugh I hate this guys stuff/shit. it makes me feel sick to look at it. you can tell he is a virgin too. gross.

[Anonymous No.1782758]

>>1782755
There is hope for us all

[Anonymous No.1782762]

>>1782418
Personally I'd like to see this more cell shaded up rather than painted out. I just want to see you break up separate objects in the same tone with some shading (mostly just the hand and bag on the hips).

[Anonymous No.1782763]

>>1782755
>>1782758
we're all gonna make it brahs

[Anonymous No.1782768]

>>1782755
what planet is your reference from

jesus I hate drawing naked people and tits are so disgusting

[Anonymous No.1782769]

>>1782758
Not for me.

[GreyDeath No.1782772]

>>1782754
In the case of the video I'm just sketching in the sketchbook doodling figures. So generally I start off with a head and expression and see where it goes from there.

If I'm doing comic work or a piece with an environment I'll first think of where I want to place the characters in panel and work in a space around them at the same time. I also try to leave space for word balloon placement.

[Anonymous No.1782774]

>>1782768
It's just a simple pose. Only needed reference for the clothes. Now looking back, I should have added some ass fangs to avoid the flat look at the crotch.

[Anonymous No.1782778]

>>1782768

[Anonymous No.1782785]

>>1782618

some of my "work" i did for a /v/ drawthread.
im going to need 1000 yrs of "learn the basics", stat!

i've been at this for 4 years. i can't practice, i get too bored doing the same thing over and over and I feel like im accomplishing nothing. so if I do watch a video or read something, I try to apply what I learn and take my time drawing. I think I spent over an hour on this. There is nothing you can fix except tossing it in the trash and starting over would be faster.

probably shouldn't bother with styling shit, but I figure everyone gets to that point early on and wants to draw things in a style they like because that is why they started drawing in the first place, ya know?

[Anonymous No.1782788]

>>1782778
>>1782774
the girl has 2 left feet.

[Anonymous No.1782789]

>>1782688
Post this on your tumblr, goddamn.

[GreyDeath No.1782802]

Dammit, I should be doing more layouts. Maybe after lunch.

[Anonymous No.1782809]

>>1782802
Do you like Ranma 1/2?

[Anonymous No.1782810]

>>1782742

Do you use a cintiq or a tablet? I just can't seem to do hatching digitally, you make it look completely effortless. If you use a tablet, any tips on how you make it work?

[Anonymous No.1782823]

>>1782810
>Do you use a cintiq or a tablet?

[Anonymous No.1782824]

>>1782823
Cintiqs is a pen display, not a regular tablet.

[Anonymous No.1782827]

>>1782824
*are a

[Anonymous No.1782830]

>>1782824
>pen display

[Anonymous No.1782835]

>>1782830
Trolls live in /b/.

[Anonymous No.1782836]

>>1782688
Missed you.

[Anonymous No.1782838]

>>1782835
i am not a troll, you are just a retard who either isnt capable of speaking the english language or has no fucking idea what a tablet is.

sherlock, the cintiq is one of many tablets.
a so called "drawing tablet" or "graphic tablet", which are not to be confused with "tablet computers".

you are welcome

[GreyDeath No.1782839]

>>1782809
I like the designs, never did watch all of the show. The OAV with the bath/palace place was nice.

>>1782810
The video was done on the UX21 Cintiq and was sped up 8x. I think of the hatching in 2 ways, 1) using it as a texture and as an indicator of volume and form, and 2) filling in spots that I would like to blacken in when inking. Both I lay down with intent. Many a HS student just throw in hatching just to quickly fill the space. But if you lay it down with a distinct intent, it will look more "professional".

I also try for an even tone, if I were penciling this traditionally, I'd be holding the pencil at a shallower angle using more of the lead surface to cover the area. But it's all about intentionally putting down your lines, whether it's shading or contours.

[Anonymous No.1782842]

>>1782838
>Cintiq 22HD PEN DISPLAY
When you draw onto a Cintiq, the touchscreen itself displays your work. This is not the case with regular tablets.

[Anonymous No.1782845]

>>1782842
the question is, are you explaining it to me or are you explaining it to yourself?

well, now you know what a cintiq is(a tablet)

[Anonymous No.1782847]

>>1782845

You're fucking dumb please leave and never return

[Anonymous No.1782848]

>>1782845
Are you fucking autistic? Everyone knows what is meant when someone asks "do you use a tablet or a cintiq?"

[Anonymous No.1782851]

>>1782847
>Do you use a cintiq or a tablet?
>cintiq or a tablet
>or a tablet
>calling others dumb

>>1782848
hint; the cintiq is a tablet

mind=blown

[GreyDeath No.1782852]

>>1782838
Yes, the term tablet is becoming blurry. Tablets can be anything from the traditional Wacom tablet on the desk, to the Cintiq (a Monitor Tablet? Tablet Monitor? Screen Tablet?), to a Tablet PC, like the Surface Pro 2 I'm currently using.

I, for one, have never gotten use to drawing on a traditional tablet, the hand/eye disconnect was too great for me to use it as a sketching tool. It took the Cintiq and Tablet PCs for me to make the jump. But even then, you still have to be aware that you're moving a cursor around on the screen and not think that you're actually drawing on the glass.

[Anonymous No.1782855]

>>1782851

I'm not even that anon

You're just a fucking moron

[Anonymous No.1782857]

>>1782855
>I'm not even that anon

said the samefag

[Anonymous No.1782880]

I was in the last thread trying to draw a girl I know. After comparing my drawing to the references I used, it was obvious that I missed the point. Now I've started a new drawing and I think it already looks better than the old one. Pic related, the one on the left is the previous drawing and the one on the right is the one I'm working on right now. Before I start coloring it in, how does it look so far?

[Anonymous No.1782883]

Something something.

[Anonymous No.1782887]

>>1782880
she looks like Pakunoda

[Anonymous No.1782888]

>tried rendering something for once
>this happens

Lel. It ended up shit, but I think I learned something or at least got on the path of learning something, though. That's all that matters right.

[Anonymous No.1782891]

>>1782887
That's basically what this girl looks like in real life. Reference pic related.

[Anonymous No.1782949]

>>1782690
you faggot it looks fine.

[Anonymous No.1782951]

WIP
crits?

[Anonymous No.1782955]

>>1782880
This is it so far, I still have to do some more shading. Also I need to figure out a background. I'm not doing too bad, am I?

[Anonymous No.1782964]

>>1782888

The gesture and exaggeration of this figure greatly satisfies me

[Anonymous No.1782991]

>>1782955

[Anonymous No.1782995]

>>1782955
Overall better, however you need to work on foreshortening, because her arms look like popeye's.

Also, is her neck that long in real life?

[Anonymous No.1782997]

>>1782888
shes not balanced so all that exageration gone to waste, learn about line weight, try to work on middtone background.

[Anonymous No.1783017]

>>1782742

This Is what eventually came out,just wanted to show anyhow.
It Isn't the exact same,I wanted to give It a bit more of a twist to get the fundamental a bit through (and becaude I messed up most probably).

Thanks a lot for the posts,Anon!

[Anonymous No.1783029]

>>1782757
No bully

[Anonymous No.1783032]

>>1782757

why don't you do something about it.

[Anonymous No.1783048]

>>1782789
i'll get around to it. I haven't been too pleased with my art as of late.

[Anonymous No.1783050]

>>1783048
don't worry nobody else is either

[Anonymous No.1783054]

>>1783048
im always pleased with your stuff.

[Anonymous No.1783059]

>>1783050
>You will never have a random autist from /ic/ sperg out over your drawing because you're that good.

Hold me /ic/

[Anonymous No.1783062]

>>1782688
>>1782749
Yea I'm gonna have to agree with that anon about the colors being pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.1783068]

>>1783059
aww, your're write, I mean that did only take 5 seconds for me to type, must have taken a good deal of effort (unlike, guess who).

[Anonymous No.1783082]

>>1783059

Pretty much whenever Kyle uploads something, the faggots start shit posting.

[Anonymous No.1783086]

>>1782955
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1783089]

>>1783082
>that kind of reaction whenever you post your art
this is a good thing.
if someone is that jelly and insecure then you're probably doing something right.

[Anonymous No.1783094]

>>1783089
Do try to stop being such an obtuse piece of shit to think everyone who talks about someone is jealous and insecure.

[Anonymous No.1783103]

>>1782951
chirumiru

[Anonymous No.1783104]

>>1783094
It makes them feel better when their garbage gets lambasted.

[Anonymous No.1783121]

>>1782955

Proportions are really messed up. Torso is way too far from legs, neck is too long, and upperarms way too long. Forearms are not foreshortened properly and look blobby. One hand looks alright while another looks bloated. It seems like you are relying too hard a few different references to the line, and when put together falls apart.

>>1783094
But for months the majority of the responses ARE jealous highschool-hambeast-tier snide remarks that lack any real point or substance (also trying to act like they speak for everyone/popular opinion) . These threads for the past year has suffered from "tall poppy" syndrome something fierce.

[Anonymous No.1783144]

Crit please.
I think the anatomy is overall pretty good, my hands are terrible, so ive given up on them. ;_;
But i am having trouble on backgrounds and choosing colors...
Which one do you think will be better, top or bottom?
Thanks in advance

[GreyDeath No.1783151]

>>1783017
Better with the form of the chest, however the torso you're trying to twist the opposite way, which can be done, but the legs are still at a straight on view. I'd say moving on to a fresh pose instead of running over the same one.

Once you get more knowledge of anatomy, gestures like these will come easier.

[GreyDeath No.1783152]

>>1783144
Breast on the left isn't supposed to be connected to the shoulder.

[Anonymous No.1783171]

>>1783152
how do i fix it

[Anonymous No.1783188]

>>1783152
technically the pectoral line does but it should be okay if he adds some creases at the base of the breasts to show separation between fat and muscle

[Anonymous No.1783192]

>>1783188
redline?

[GreyDeath No.1783197]

>>1783171
My take.

>>1783188
Yes, what Anon says here.

[Anonymous No.1783198]

>>1783197
bad redline

[GreyDeath No.1783200]

>>1783198
Thanks! :)

[Anonymous No.1783204]

>>1783200
it loses some of the dynamic with that redline

[Anonymous No.1783217]

>>1783192
>>1783144

for the most part you did nicely including the gestures and general proportions, but a bit more detailing can be desirable to get the audience (in this case my dick) going though i dont know how much muscular detail can be logical for furries. breasts need to be really soft since they are basically bags of fat and are not connected to muscle. because of that, they kinda show separation from muscle through the skin in the form of creases. hell, even buff dudes have creases in different parts of muscle. you have to make it subtle to seem like fine folds but obvious enough that you can notice it on the get go rather than connecting them to the pectorals and then to the shoulder muscle.

remember, bags of fat so sag and crease em up but dont overdo it. unless.. you know, you're into granny tits.


>>1783197
tits too high bro

[Anonymous No.1783233]

>>1783217
Thank you very much!
have any advice for color?

[Anonymous No.1783239]

>>1783233
what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.1783241]

>>1783239
what kind of color scheme would fit the picture, maybe reccommend light sources so i dont fuck it up myself.

[Anonymous No.1783248]

>>1783217
Those are like taut water balloons sewn into the chest. Not sagging bags of sand.

[Anonymous No.1783251]

>>1783241
if i told you it wouldn't be your design now would it?

>>1783248
not an expert on soft tits

[Anonymous No.1783254]

>>1782951
Neat, but the girl just having her arms up seems weird. Why not have her reach back for the dude, or clasp his hand on or breast or somethin?

[Anonymous No.1783261]

>>1783048
>I haven't been too pleased with my art as of late.
This feeling. Is this what all my friends feel when I say I suck?

[Anonymous No.1783331]

>>1783144

[Anonymous No.1783338]

>>1782303
practice this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.1783358]

>>1781771
question. is this thread for actual stylization or is it for animu artists?

I want to learn cartoons. the kind that don't exactly abide by rules of proportion or anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1783368]

>>1782638
pls gib reply.

how do I stop skewing things when drawing? as in advice on an actual way to break the habit, not just horizontal flipping>fixing it. If there even is one.

[Anonymous No.1783376]

>>1783358

its for actual stylization, there's just a fuck ton of anime fans.

[Anonymous No.1783485]

WIP

Critique welcome

[Anonymous No.1783503]

Can someone help please? I'm trying to do more realistic blending/shading on this, but I don't really know what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.1783504]

>>1783503
>3000x5000
>3000x5000
>3000x5000
>3000x5000

[Anonymous No.1783513]

>>1783504
>having shit internet

[None !J3d.DD2xEo No.1783514]

For a friend, never drawn anything like this before, finished it a few weeks back.

Critique encourage.

[Anonymous No.1783527]

>>1783514
the best unity-tan I've ever seen, you've stayed true to the bad textures. good job.

[Anonymous No.1783529]

>>1783503
Camille inspired? Learn to draw matching eyes. Use a more solid brush to color.>>1783514
Study the way real fabric falls in gravity. Draw a tea towel from life or something.

[Anonymous No.1783544]

>>1783503


Learn where to put soft shadows and hard shadows (hard and soft shading)

also align our facial parts better, cheeks look skewed and mouth is badly centered (still bad if you were trying to draw the mouth going to the side)

[Anonymous No.1783559]

>>1783144

[Anonymous No.1783638]

>>1783513
the rules are 1500 px wide or high. It's literally reportable.

[Anonymous No.1783650]

>>1783358
>the kind that don't exactly abide by rules of proportion or anatomy
Keep deluding yourself that you don't need that knowledge for muh styule.

[Anonymous No.1783742]

i know the anatomy is off but i cant tell what.

[Anonymous No.1783744]

>>1783742
Humeruses are way too short

[Fantastic No.1783753]

How to stop procrastinating and thinking about drawing and just draw?

[Anonymous No.1783754]

>>1782614
you forgot the nipples.

[Anonymous No.1783756]

>>1783753

It's okay, we don't need everyone to be pros :-)

[Fantastic No.1783764]

>>1783756

I'm taking that as a challenge, thanks.

[GreyDeath No.1783776]

>>1783742
I'd say just fix the curve of the glove or whatever on the wrist of the bent arm so it looks like it's angled more towards us than away from us (just flip the curve). Having is it is right now is looks impossible for the arm to be that way.

[Anonymous No.1783802]

>>1783753

>Heres my shitty list of things that could help you stop procrastinating.

Look for artist that inspire you or you think are fucking cool.
Listen to the music that you love or find some catchy ass music to keep your mind from drifting off.
Try drawing with friends.
Try to draw "something" can just be squiggle lines or just doodles, it can be a page filled with dicks, as long as you draw something it'll help get out of that "artblock/lazyness"
Bottom line, draw something, ANYTHING...

Lastly
Watch something inspiring or motivating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA

Video isn't all inspiring but it puts you in a good mood.

Sorry if this isn't as helpful

[Anonymous No.1783838]

Stylization and Cartoony-ness...
This is something I've been trying to achieve for some time...I guess trying to find my style.
And after months of 30 second studies and warm ups I'm feeling more confident with my line work.
Anon put it so eloquently here:
>>1782310
I never really looked at it that way.
Also,
>>1783802
Listening to old Bloodhound Gang

[Anonymous No.1784096]

[Anonymous No.1784104]

>>1784096
no

[Anonymous No.1784119]

>>1782033
no it really doesn't

[Anonymous No.1784121]

>>1782311

To study cartooning start learning to draw realistically, learn anatomy/proportion/perspective/etc. before attempting to develope any kind of style.

[Anonymous No.1784129]

>>1784096
The lighting is inconsistent. The torso, legs and face have light coming from one direction, and then the arms have it from another. The cast shadow doesn't seem to agree with either.

[Anonymous No.1784168]

>>1784096
pls share tumblr or deviantart

[Anonymous No.1784250]

Welp, howd i do
This is, i believe the first formal thing ive rendered and made look acceptable. Thank you, /ic/

[Anonymous No.1784406]

I didn't make the ass gargantuan this time I swear

[Anonymous No.1784424]

>>1784406
nice

[Anonymous No.1784427]

>>1784406

Original pose or from reference? Dig your shading btw.

[Anonymous No.1784432]

>>1784427
Its origonal.

[Anonymous No.1784433]

>>1784406
Stop posting here please.

[Anonymous No.1784435]

>>1784433

Why should he?

[Anonymous No.1784437]

>>1784433
This is why we can't have nice things here.

[Anonymous No.1784439]

>>1784435
All he's doing is attention whoring. He's not looking for help. He better than everyone else here.

He should make his own thread to post his shit. Instead he just further shits up this one and prevents other people from getting help with their shit.

[Anonymous No.1784443]

>>1784439
Lurk more newfaggot, he's redlined and given advice on his rendering before. Stop feeding Kyle your tears and blog about how anally devastated you are it may help vent that butthurt.

[Anonymous No.1784445]

>>1783742
Torso looks a bit long.

[Anonymous No.1784446]

>>1784443
>implications upon implications
>anime macro
>calling others newfags
You are also the cancer killing 4chan. You must be very proud.

[Anonymous No.1784447]

>>1784439
>He better than everyone else here.
With people like GreyDeath and this guy >>1781771 around i don't think that's true at all, why aren't you complaining
about them as well? also Kyle has been around since the stylization threads where not a thing, i still remember
people making fun of his shitty drawings back in the drawthreads so stop acting like he just got here to get attention.\
Its true that he is very stuck in his comfort zone, but that's no reason to be getting this mad about it.

[Anonymous No.1784448]

>>1784446
Not him, but you are upset son. There's nothing wrong here

[Anonymous No.1784450]

>>1784439
so you don't want him posting because he makes you jealous? maybe you should stop posting. that will do us all a favor.

[Anonymous No.1784451]

>>1784406
>I swear
y r u lyin?

[Anonymous No.1784454]

>>1784439
You are an unbelievable faggot. You flat out admit that you want decent artists to stop posting in this thread just so you can feel better about yourself.

[Anonymous No.1784461]

>>1784433
second this

[Anonymous No.1784465]

>>1783368
I do the same thing. I think you just have to pay more attention and set down your construction better on top of flipping. I don't know what else you could really do.
Do you sometimes tilt your head slightly while drawing? I feel like that is part of the problem for me.

[Anonymous No.1784474]

>>1784454
>>1784450
At least teal line guy actually did something for the thread, not like kyle or the rest of you shitposters.

[Anonymous No.1784476]

>>1784474
Regardless of Teal contributing at a phenomenal rate, we still had insufferable faggots such as yourself that complained every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.1784479]

>>1784474
This is a thread for people to post their stylized art in. Helping others is optional and certainly not a requirement. You are the only shitposter right now.

[Anonymous No.1784513]

>>1784474
>"doing something for this thread"
keep that retarded gossip shit to yourselves. nobody cares about how much whichever idol "contributes to the thread", be it pedoscum or fat-tighs-man
it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it turns out that none of you fuckers can draw. if you're just here to enjoy the scenery, get out already. your posts are making me sick.

[Anonymous No.1784520]

>>1784513
>your posts are making me sick

I can not comprehend how somebody can not simply hide the thread, leave our quarrels to ourselves this is none of your concern.

Just who do you think you are.

[Anonymous No.1784530]

>>1784520
i wasn't referring to the thread. i was talking about meta posts and idol worship faggotry. every time teal gets brought up like this, i die a little inside. because i know that in the end, none of you fuckers learned a thing. it's really like you're just here to talk and look at other artists.

[Anonymous No.1784541]

>>1784530
>it's really like you're just here to talk and look at other artists.
FINALLY someone gets it.

[Anonymous No.1784544]

Is it just me or are these threads an everlasting shitstorm?

[Anonymous No.1784548]

>>1784544
Welcome to /ic/

[Anonymous No.1784551]

>>1784544
it only take ONE guy to troll or be a retard.

[Anonymous No.1784680]

>>1784544
it's just one guy who's really jelly and insecure and can't find the hide thread button. OP has his own autistic fan too, or maybe they're the same person.

[Anonymous No.1784690]

>>1784544
They're a cancer containment thread, nothing more. The denizens don't realise that. As long as they keep these retards out of the draw thread, /ic/ wins.

[Anonymous No.1784693]

>>1784690
Well, there are still people like you posting in the draw thread, so in the end, the quality is about the same.

[Anonymous No.1784702]

>>1784693
That's cold, man.

But lol, seriously. If you knew who I was, you wouldn't say that garbage.

[Anonymous No.1784707]

>>1784690
>>1784702
you're just a shitposter, enjoying anonymity for the lols. nothing more.

[Anonymous No.1784708]

>>1784702
>DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!
heh

[Anonymous No.1784740]

>>1784548

No, welcome to this thread, all the time shitstorm

[Anonymous No.1784746]

>>1784740
>No, welcome to this thread, all the time shit
fifyf

[Anonymous No.1784749]

>>1784746
>>1784740

We've said this before and I'll say it again, just hide the thread it doesn't have to be an issue to you honestly if you think of it as a containment thread then so be it let us be and we for the most part keep to ourselves it doesn't have to be a big deal.

Too bad you faggots just love to argue over trivial matters otherwise this thread, nay, /ic/ as a whole wouldn't be such an issue.

[Anonymous No.1784753]

>>1784749

Just saying this thread has the most people complaining in.

[Anonymous No.1784763]

the most unproductive board ever
only see text when this thing bumps

[Anonymous No.1784795]

>>1784763
This thread especially gains a lot of drama, I really don't know why.

[Anonymous No.1784827]

>>1784795
Because /ic/ loves nothing more than semantics and meta

[Anonymous No.1785046]

How do colour like this? I don't get it. There's too many brushes and settings even in SAI.

[Anonymous No.1785051]

>>1784795
You and me both anon.

Anyway, lest this thread go down, r8 my cooking /ic/ before that happens.

It's bad, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.1785072]

>>1785046
>gif literally goes through the process step by step
>guur how does colour

[Anonymous No.1785081]

>>1785046

Artist name?

[Anonymous No.1785084]

>>1782830
Chuckle.

[Anonymous No.1785118]

>>1785046

protip: don't use anything that isn't photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1785121]

Critique Welcome.....

A character design task from school.
And I just render it.

[Anonymous No.1785126]

>>1785121
alot. it's late so I'll redline tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.1785129]

>>1785126
never mind
Thank you~~
I will wait~

[Anonymous No.1785131]

>>1785129
Even though there's a bit wrong with the figure anatomy, I really like the rendering and subject elements. Nice work.

[Anonymous No.1785134]

>>1785121
Right now the first thing that sticks out to me is how the hat is resting on her head. It either has to be floating, which noting about it really indicates that it does that, or she has a massive mound of hair under it or a freakishly deformed head.

The second thing that stands out is the legs, which I think you may have over exaggerated the positioning of to the point of almost dislocation. She also doesn't particularly feel as if she is actually standing or placing any degree of weight on them.

[Anonymous No.1785144]

um yea. btw link to deviantart or w/e of that picture pls ?

[Anonymous No.1785164]

>>1785118
What is Krita

[Anonymous No.1785173]

>>1785164

shit

[Anonymous No.1785179]

>>1785173
Not realizing how descent it is even at Linux and too bad motherfucking wine can't install CS6 at all. I switch systems just in case.

[Anonymous No.1785194]

>>1781990

huuum that right arm looks off to me and the feet could use some fixing.

I like the throne pose though, very petite.

[Anonymous No.1785195]

>>1782755

Just adjust the proportions, study the human body more and you'll be fine.

Not fix that arm and those legs.

[Anonymous No.1785260]

Any comments before I continue this?

[Anonymous No.1785270]

>>1785260
Her left arm is too short, try measuring how far down your elbow is in proportion to the stomach, and base your drawing on that.

[Anonymous No.1785272]

>>1785270
Oh shit yeah I forgot about her left arm. I adjusted her arm for that and completely forgot to re-adjust.

[Anonymous No.1785277]

>>1785270
it looks foreshortened

[Anonymous No.1785279]

[Anonymous No.1785316]

>>1785279
absolutely disgusting tighs. why?

[Anonymous No.1785325]

>>1785279
Pose looks way too strained... and dem thighs man.
As far as coloring goes, not too bad so far.

[Anonymous No.1785367]

Any tips? Help on left leg?

[Anonymous No.1785464]

Serious question, not trying to be shitty or sarcastic or anything:

Why does there seem to be so little overlap between CGL's artist alley threads and these alternative art/stylization threads? They have a lot of common ground. The art in artist alley is often a similar style to the art in these threads (anime inspired, etc)

[Anonymous No.1785465]

>>1785464
>artist alley threads

Never heard of such thing.

[Anonymous No.1785469]

>>1785464
>CGL's artist alley
what's that?

[Anonymous No.1785477]

>>1785464

Post a link of the thread

[Anonymous No.1785478]

>>1785465
>>1785469

On the CGL board, there are occasionally "AA threads" in which folks (mostly people who table at AA's) commiserate over the ins and outs of business, art techniques, art crit, etc. It never gets too in depth in any of those subjects, though. There isn't a thread up now, but a new one is made 1-2 times a month. It usually lasts for a few days to 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.1785482]

>>1782302
if Kefka was nice... and possibly a little retarded.
honestly though I would just make the chin bigger and that'll fix it mostly

[Anonymous No.1785523]

>>1785482
>Kefka

You mean you actually recognized him?

[Anonymous No.1785547]

>>1781771
>>1781990
can someone for the love of everything thats beautiful finally tell me the artists name to these two pics?

[Anonymous No.1785554]

>>1782757
you can also tell he's better than you.

[Anonymous No.1785557]

>>1785523
it's pretty obvious who is it.

[Anonymous No.1785568]

>>1785144
chromatic aberation makes me think my monitor is fucked up

[Anonymous No.1785617]

>>1784406
her left arm seem too long...it's not even porpotional to the right one

a breast that size should fall back to the sides a bit more

[Anonymous No.1785628]

>>1784702
You are a special snowflake.

[Anonymous No.1785632]

>>1781771
Mio fan art, how am I doing?

[Anonymous No.1785640]

>>1785632
thats not mio

[Anonymous No.1785650]

>>1785640
My thoughts exactly

[Anonymous No.1785654]

>>1785554
please stop using this shit argument unless you want people to know you're stupid.

[Anonymous No.1785656]

>>1785632
Failed to capture the likeness

[Anonymous No.1785663]

French anime is superior.

I'm trying to work on applying perspective, would like some feedback on that.

[Anonymous No.1785669]

>>1785663
>French anime
Why would it still be called anime if it isn't from Japan?

[Anonymous No.1785671]

>>1785640
>>1785654
>>1785656

[Anonymous No.1785684]

>>1785663
hey, just fyi, corsets don't work like that. there is either over bust or under bust, no weird middle bust type like you've drawn here. there is rigid boning in there that her tits would be snapping in half and getting stabbed by.
also her ass is sticking much farther out the sides in the reflection than her actual body

[Anonymous No.1785685]

>>1785632
>fanart
>nothing close to original artwork
kek everytime

[Anonymous No.1785697]

>>1785685
why does fanart need to look exactly like the original. i like it when artists do their own spin on it.

[Anonymous No.1785713]

hey guys how is my boob 's rendering

[Anonymous No.1785714]

>>1785671

[Anonymous No.1785721]

>>1785697
because being fanart it should depict the character reasonably

[Anonymous No.1785722]

>>1785669
>joking

>>1785684
noted, I saw that afterward, fix it when I color.

Nothing about the perspective tho?

[Anonymous No.1785726]

>>1785714
>>1785671

[Anonymous No.1785727]

>>1785721
This looks reasonably?

[Anonymous No.1785733]

>>1785685
heres my my version of mio chan. pretty close to original

[Anonymous No.1785746]

>>1785727
>this does not resemble mio
>>1785733
>this resembles mio

get the picture?

[Anonymous No.1785770]

>>1785713
i fixed the boobs

[Anonymous No.1785772]

>>1785770
her lower legs are way too long

[Anonymous No.1785785]

>>1785772
i did it on purpose but if is really disturbing i 'll that

thanks for pointing that

any way anyone have some tip to share for rendering cloths should i a do the same thing as skin (except folds ) ?

[Anonymous No.1785786]

>>1785770

Her knee is larger than her head. Just think about what you're doing for a second.

[Anonymous No.1785802]

>>1785367
Check the proportions, man. She's got a long torso compared to her legs.
I dig the look, though.

[Anonymous No.1785823]

>>1785785
can someone translate that writing on the picture

[Anonymous No.1785835]

>>1785632
I'm not sure, but isn't her right shoulder way too big?

[Anonymous No.1785838]

>>1785835
A bit... I need to work on the line quality as well. I'll do it again, probably pencils and color digital, I feel I have a better grasp on what's going on when on paper.

[Anonymous No.1785960]

>>1785785
First deform as has more fitting proportions. Second deform demonstrates how to use perspective to achieve what your intent was but still follow more fitting proportions.

The deforms themselves aren't completely accurate but I hope the ideas are conveyed properly.

[Anonymous No.1785963]

>>1785960
yah no this makes no fucking sense what so ever

[Anonymous No.1785972]

>>1785727
did something else... she's older than 12 I SWEAR!

[Anonymous No.1785974]

>>1785972
No tumblr nose please.

[Anonymous No.1785977]

>>1785960
>>1785963
Sorry I'll try to explain a little more to make up for it.

Not much to say about the first deform just more fitting proportions. I'd advise zooming out and/or flipping the canvas when working. Also there's nothing wrong with exaggerated proportions, but I'd say that it was not properly executed. It feels like "Legs are cool I'll just draw them bigger", which is kind of correct but ignoring everything else was jarring in this case. Hips or ass would likely be something else to also accentuate. A better understanding of anatomy will help.

The second deform attempts to show the effect of perspective where things closer to the viewer is larger and things further away is smaller. This allows you to still have a really big leg because it's closer to the viewer just make sure everything else is in proper perspective.

[Anonymous No.1785999]

>>1785963

the only time when legs get fat as fuck are if they're right up against the viewer's face (foreshortening/extreme perspective) or the character is designed to have giant fucking legs. (stylization)

The thing with warping the proportions so crazily on a figure with everything a typical chick with tits would have is that people will look at it and ask you what the fuck's wrong with it, when they should really be focusing on the character's design.

what >>1785960 is talking about is my first point, this whole thing with the body being made of basic shapes and if its turned one way you see less of the other side

tldr have decent proportions of shit'll get fucked. extreme perspective is weird.

pic attached is a doodle showing what that'd look like if a giant guy had legs made of rectangular prisms and shit

[Anonymous No.1786003]

>>1785974
that's not a tumblr nose
>>1785972
where can i follow you?

[Anonymous No.1786033]

>>1786003
second that

[Anonymous No.1786090]

Amaturefag here, I've been having a problem with my eyes a lot during my daily practice sketches. They just dont look right but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Is it just me? I really need help because it's really bugging me.

[Anonymous No.1786092]

>>1782647
>flannery

[Anonymous No.1786096]

>>1786090
Also sorry for the rotated pic, my phone seems to always rotate my pictures when I post them on 4chan

[Anonymous No.1786099]

>>1785118
PS is for photo editing
See
>>1785935
>>1785926
Face it the painting engine is 12yearsold and its barely improved for artists in general

[Anonymous No.1786100]

>>1786090
generally speaking: all the crap you can read on every post here. observe and draw what you see not what you think. read the sticky.

a few things you should keep in mind while looking at some photo reference / life: the eyes are not stickers on a perfectly round head
there are sockets in the skull -> the eyes sit inside the head
the eyeballs themselves are spheres
eyes are almost never fully open i.e. the upper and lower eyelids can be seen following the form of the ( spherical ) eyeball

but yeah just look at reference and try to understand the subject

[Anonymous No.1786102]

>>1786090
Generally
If you draw the eye in that relative relastic style
It should not be that big

[Anonymous No.1786105]

>>1786102
Is that more of a general trend or an absolute rule though?
>>1786100
I'm a little unsure of what you're trying to tell me. Should I not post in the style specific threads at such a low level?

[Anonymous No.1786107]

>>1786003
>>1786033
http://danielcrawley.tumblr.com/
that's me... Not sure if doing a separate blog for those grills

[GreyDeath No.1786252]

>>1785632
>>1785727
>>1785972
Nice work. I like the gesture for the maid though than the finished art, there's a bit of weirdness in the arm on the left.

The highlight for the nose just seems weird. It should either be on the tip with the redness, or removed. It gives me the impression she's got a mosquito bite on the bridge of her nose.

Good linework and simple but interesting coloring.

[Anonymous No.1786281]

New Thread:

>>1786279
>>1786279
>>1786279

[Awoo No.1786386]

how is it so far? No reference, just a random sketch. Corrections welcome

[Anonymous No.1789112]

http://gitgood.tumblr.com/
so apparently this is a thing...