Beginner General #7: Gonna get through this

[Anonymous No.1779989]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

You are a beginner if it still says so in the sticky, so Absolute Beginner and Beginner.

Practice Practice Practice!

Previous thread: >>1775823

[Anonymous No.1779992]

>>1779989
Which book is that?

[Anonymous No.1779996]

>>1779992
Rapid Viz, quite possibly the most straightforward way to learn perspective.

[Anonymous No.1780021]

>>1779996
more straightforward than perspective made easy?

[Anonymous No.1780029]

>>1780021
There's a lot more exercises and it's a bit more involved than perspective made easy. It was designed with architects, landscapers and interior designers in mind so it's a lot more rudimentary.

[Anonymous No.1780032]

how am I doing so far?

[Anonymous No.1780037]

>>1780032
Pretty dang good, that thumb is a bit....odd, and Belly button is a bit low

[Anonymous No.1780041]

>>1780032
Your anatomy is very off and your line work is incredibly scratchy and shows a lack of confidence

[Anonymous No.1780042]

>>1780037
thanks

>>1780041
could you be specific? what about my anatomy is off?

[Anonymous No.1780050]

>>1780042
Her right shoulder is really low and to the rear, her arms are two different lengths and thickness, her left knee is sticking too far out and it looks like her ribcage is shallow.

[Anonymous No.1780074]

FACETIME!! 2 pages of faces everyday until I can draw a face and recognize who it is. Harrison Ford in 7-11 does not look like Harrison Ford... Paul walker 1-6 looks worse than yesterday's Paul walker - disgusting

Forced some faces on the gestures, and I tried drawing in pen again, it is so unforgiving :(

I also treated myself to 1 animu drawing! All in all a fun night.

[Anonymous No.1780101]

>>1780050
tried fixing it

[Anonymous No.1780219]

Keys to Drawing wants me to draw my eyes in a mirror from a 3/4 angle. Since I can't look in the mirror at the same angle always, should I just take a photo for reference?

[Anonymous No.1780228]

>>1780101
it's really shit.
neck is too thick for a head with those proportions.
study anatomy more, and don't leave out the eyes.

[Anonymous No.1780231]

>>1780228
this person needs to just learn how to draw what they actually see first before worrying about anatomy. the lines are quite inaccurate which shows they can't accurately recreate their reference

[Anonymous No.1780232]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4eMyOzD9UI&feature=kp

[Anonymous No.1780240]

>>1780231
he doesn't need to worry that much about drawing what he sees. of course that's part of it, but since he's drawing stylized, what he needs to understand is the structure and form of what he's drawing.
like most beginners, he has a very vague understanding of anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1780274]

>>1780232
I'm glad someone gets my silly references.

[Anonymous No.1780316]

Any crit for values? I feel like i am having trouble with shading.

[Anonymous No.1780351]

So, i am really ambitious when it comes to drawing, in the way that i don't want to be stuck and cartoons forever, i want to be able to recreate images from my mind in god-tier fashion, pic related.
I know that this is not easy, my rule of thumb is i won't be satisfied until in 9 years, something about 9 specifically.
Is this wrong to do?

[Anonymous No.1780359]

>>1780351
Try to become this good in 3 years. Really commit to it. Either way you'll be better in 3 years than you would be if your goal was to be this good in 9.

[Anonymous No.1780360]

>>1780351
>something about 9 specifically.
I hope you are enjoying your OCD anon.

[Anonymous No.1780363]

>>1780316
I hate to advertise Robertson but you need to watch this http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/333/How-to-Render-Matte-Surfaces-1 and do the exercises he recommends. Don't try to dig too much into his number system but try to understand it. Painting by numbers is not a good way to go but his system will help you understand things better

[Anonymous No.1780369]

>>1780219
No. You won't understand the forms as much if you draw from life. And you can draw your eyes in an angle from a mirror, no problem. Just keep your head still and use your eyeballs to look instead of moving your head. Using more than one mirror will make it much easier

[Anonymous No.1780377]

>>1780074
You're mostly having trouble with proportions when it comes to faces but that'll come with practice, no problem. However I feel like you're also not quite understanding the planes of the face. I'd recommend looking into how Nathan Fowkes handles his planes and I'd recommend drawing a lot more from life with his simplification in mind (it doesn't matter if you can only draw your own face from a mirror but it must be from life).

[Anonymous No.1780379]

>>1780351
you could probably do that in a year if you really commit to it. your ambition is better geared towards trying to improve faster rather than at snail pace.

[Anonymous No.1780380]

>>1780219
No. You'll understand the forms much better if you draw from life. And you can draw your eyes in an angle from a mirror; I don't see why not. Just keep your head still and use your eyeballs to look instead of moving your head. Using more than one mirror will make it much easier

[Anonymous No.1780386]

>>1780316
You are casting shadows the wrong way, they are off perspective. Also, shadows on the cube are more solid, as in pic related.

And remember, your brightest shade is darker that your brightest shade, or smth like that. So don't paint the light reflection on the spheres the same value as if light were hitting them directly (like on top)

[Anonymous No.1780405]

Fucking help me /ic/, I've really been trying to commit to drawing. I'm on vilppu's drawing manual part one on gesture drawing, he implies I should practise drawing them for 6 hours today, which is what I'm doing (with 15 minute breaks every 30 minutes) but so far I've put in 1.5 hours and my improvement is as big as a grain of salt, I haven't been copying his work as he said, I've read every step on the letter and I'm lost. Help a d/ic/k out here. Pic related, the eye cancer I've been drawing. 1/2

[Anonymous No.1780408]

>>1780405
2/2 Never mind the chicken scratch, I know how to improve that, need to know about them fucking gestures.

[Anonymous No.1780421]

>>1780408
figure drawing is complicated.

do some cubes and balls from observation.

learn how to measure and see first.

[Anonymous No.1780423]

What is wrong? I've been drawing/studying for about 4 months. Mosty perspective and life drawing/how to see and have drawn something from my imagination for fun. I feel like I didn't apply near as much as I have learned.

[Anonymous No.1780425]

>>1780421
But I already know how to draw cubes and balls, you mean on the figures?

[Anonymous No.1780430]

>>1780405
yeah man youre drawing nothing its just lines. you need to actually see the shape and feel the form baby. feel that shit going up and down on your cock. you notice that vilpuu will use wrapping lines to show a little bit of 3 dimensionality in his gestures

[Anonymous No.1780432]

>>1780425

Just feel the damn thing. Get high/drunk/on caffeine if you have to.

[Anonymous No.1780442]

I have problems seeing proportions. Right now I look for features in relation to each other, but after a while I get thrown off and I have to start over.

What do?

Pic related.

[Anonymous No.1780443]

>>1780425
i mean you should setup still lifes and practice your accuracy.

there's no way your reference material has heads that are as big as one third of the whole body.

[Anonymous No.1780445]

>>1780430
>>1780432 >Just feel it You know that's actually the best answer I could hope for, thanks guys, I shouldn't care if it takes 6 hours or 24, I'll keep trying till I get it and when I do I'll do it 100 times over just to be sure, I hope I can keep to my word though, thanks again guys.

[Anonymous No.1780450]

>>1780443
I wasn't using a reference though. I've just been trying to channel Vippu's semen lines so I can get a "feel" of those fucking gestures

[Anonymous No.1780459]

>>1780380
I have to turn my whole head, since the mirror is just a really small tabletop one, and so I have to place it on some elevated space for it to reflect my face.
In the end, I resorted to photo reference. I'll try to procure a larger mirror later, since I understand this is not ideal (and obviously this won't be the last drawing of my face)

pic related

[Anonymous No.1780460]

>>1780445
Sorry for the fail greentext guys.

[Anonymous No.1780478]

>>1780450

Uhm, use reference. Don't try to be a badass.

[Anonymous No.1780483]

>>1780478

Another thing, if pencil isn't working for you you can use a block of charcoal or paintbrush. Some people can 'feel' better when thinking a painterly approach instead of line.

[Anonymous No.1780503]

>>1780351
You can git gud before then if you work diligently,
effectively improving at anything ever involves paying careful attention to what, how, and why you're doing something.

If you're not mindful about stuff like that and only going through the motions,
you'll only be spinning your wheels for 9 years and you'll have little to show for it.

Use that 9 years as a gauge if you want though, why not.
Maybe an ultimatum,
if you're not making pictures at that level before your time is up then you set everything aside and go do something else with your life, you had 9 years to make it work.

[Anonymous No.1780510]

>>1780503
You think if he works about 6 hours a day on his art he could draw pictures like that in a matter of months?

[Anonymous No.1780514]

>>1780503 You think if he works about 6 hours a day on his art he could draw pics like that in a matter of months?

[Anonymous No.1780516]

>>1780510
no.

[Anonymous No.1780518]

>>1780510
>>1780514
Dammit moot I only posted it once.

[Anonymous No.1780583]

>>1780510
It's a big stretch,
there's so much the person needs to understand and be able to apply to really make quality work from imagination that's believable.

Even with good practice, this is the sort of thing that requires plenty of time to figure things out at the fundamental level and learning from trial/error.

Quality practice is what propels improvement though,
doing studies of perspective, form, light, etc,
making pieces and really thinking about the approach, why something isn't working and how it can be fixed.
This is not doodling, it's careful work.
That kind of attention can take you far in a short amount of time but again, you'll still need plenty of it to refine your craft cause there's a lot to it.

[Anonymous No.1780595]

>>1780510
Don't think of the time it's gonna have to take, think of what you're gonna have to do in order to get there.

[Anonymous No.1780909]

the left leg and man boob looked weird, but i dont know how to fix it

[Anonymous No.1780933]

>>1780909
BABYCAKES IS A KILLA, THRILLA, KILLAZILLA

[Anonymous No.1781135]

Should I read books on shading and composition before or after reading loomis's books? And should I read them before or after reading books on perspective?

[Anonymous No.1781139]

>>1781135
I would say read up on perspective before anything. If you're able to grasp seeing things in space and knowing where they should be then life will be much easier when learning from other books.

[Anonymous No.1781149]

>>1781139
thanks for answering the part about perspective, but does shading and composition come before or after loomis/learning to figure draw?

[Anonymous No.1781162]

>>1781149
Believe it or not shading goes hand in hand with perspective. You'll see when you begin reading, learning and applying. And as far as composition goes that is really an ongoing process, you'll get an introduction to it when you start practicing gesture. Don't worry about what or which book you have to finish right now or what techniques you have to master before moving on, just worry about working and absorbing as much as you can.

[Anonymous No.1781168]

>>1781162
thanks anon. Ill screencap this.

[Anonymous No.1781187]

Started KTD, drew some hand action.

Sorry for quality, at work right now.

[Anonymous No.1781189]

>>1780231
I was going for stylized and not trying to copy the reference exactly. Because while I can imitate what I see pretty well I don't draw from imagination good at all. But thanks for the crits guys, honestly. It's helpful.

>>1780228
I didn't draw eyes because I was planning on drawing sunglasses, but okay. I will next time.

[Anonymous No.1781304]

My hand just starts shaking whenever i try to draw anything,i try to hold my hand off the paper like i see people do but i just tremble and draw horrible lines, i hope this is just something ai need to break through with practice, and not some sort of personal problem i have that will prevent me from getting decent.

[Anonymous No.1781315]

>>1780377
The Nathan fowkes was great! I like his rounded facial blocks instead of the square loomis planes.

Drew my face using the front facing camera as a mirror - there was a lot of dodging... It kinda looks like me... In like 10 yrs ... after a stroke

Busy at work, didn't get to draw that much today :(

[Anonymous No.1781347]

>>1781304
I found it helped learning this to write the same way in everyday life. I had horrible handwriting because I always "drew" the letters with my fingers instead of using more stable muscles.

Only use it when handwriting quality isn't super important, cause its going to suck for a while.

[Anonymous No.1781350]

>>1781304
you can try just putting your pinky on the paper i do that a lot.

anyway it might be best not to think about it too much. if you're drawing in a small format using your fingers isn't as big a sin as one might think. even professional inkers use their fingers for the tiny bits. i don't think about my hand at all but i never smudge my work. practice makes perfect.

you should try drawing in as large a format as you can though, and have the board or desk or whatever on at least a 45 degree angle. perpendicular to the ground being best for most practice stuff where you don't really polish.

[Anonymous No.1781372]

Fun with a Pencil. 0.5 Graphgear 500 pencil.

I noticed my "blue lines" are rather dark even when I try to draw lightly. Would changing lead help with this? I'm currently using whatever was inside when it was shipped to me. If so, I should be using hard lead right?

[Anonymous No.1781376]

Is Charles Bargue Drawing Course worth of my precious time?

[Anonymous No.1781380]

>>1781376
yep. uf you get through it you'll be better than ic. guarenteed

[Anonymous No.1781385]

How can I add more depth into the hips

[Anonymous No.1781451]

>>1781380
>becoming human copier
>better than ic
Lel. Have you actually saw this course?
You're literally saying that it's good idea to copy almost 200 plates and spend many hours on every single one of them, just to get good rendering.
Even if anon is going to work everyday for at least 4 hours, then he won't make it before 2015; also he may still suck at drawing from imagination.

[Anonymous No.1781458]

>>1781315
He uses the Reilly planes.
http://fyeah-artreferences.tumblr.com/post/13914112196/eyecager-drawing-the-head-with-planes-reilly

[Anonymous No.1781476]

>>1781376
Yes: the purpose of doing the Bargue is getting you into the good habit of measure lenghts, compare them, simplify forms, guess angle, etc.
Do it a 1.5-1h before a life/photo study.
Get sure to get the edges exactly right, but don't stress yourself too much with the values.
Related: http://youtu.be/AzDGO0LssEM

[Anonymous No.1781507]

>>1781476

I will start attending an atelier next month and I am not as confortable doing this as I should be. Any other good resources about rendering with charcoal when doing the Bargue course? I just get everything messy and can't do proper gradients without making permanen marks that look like ass.

[Anonymous No.1781575]

>>1781451
>implying the bargue course is only about rendering

[Anonymous No.1781583]

Could someone clarify what I'm supposed to do in this exercise?

Should I be going back over the lines I've drawn to connect to new lines halfway along them? Should I take my pencil off the paper at all? How should I even be holding my hand?

I'm confused as fuck. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Anomynus No.1781590]

I've been drawing a lot when I've been smoking lately. How'm I doing? no refs used for any of these figures

[Anomynus No.1781592]

>>1781590

[Anomynus No.1781594]

>>1781592

[Anomynus No.1781597]

>>1781594

I know this guy's kinda fundamentally anatomically fucked so don't even bother unless you're going to get somewhat specific.

[Anomynus No.1781599]

>>1781597

last one

[Anonymous No.1781626]

>>1781597
Has he been impaled in the shoulders with a flag?

[Anonymous No.1781628]

>>1781599
>>1781597
>>1781594
>>1781592
>>1781590
please oh please work on that anatomy
do some research or take a class
and you have absolutely no tones
are you even using references

[Anomynus No.1781629]

>>1781626

yup

[Anomynus No.1781630]

>>1781628

first post I said no refs. I'm gonna work on it believe me

[Anonymous No.1781631]

>>1781594
>>1781597
>>1781592
all you did was the linework how can you even call this a completed drawing

[Anomynus No.1781632]

>>1781631

When did I call it a completed drawing

[Anonymous No.1781635]

>>1781630
well it looks like youre just brute forcing it
as in youre just wiping it out based on a gut feeling rather than constructing the figures with any sort of formula

[Dip No.1781636]

>>1781632
You told mommy last night and she told me after I blew a huge load in her brand new hairstyle!

"And We Sang" - Dip 'Supreme' Chipsin, 2012.

Dip

[Anonymous No.1781639]

>>1781636
What?

[Anomynus No.1781640]

>>1781636

[Anonymous No.1781641]

>>1781640
Thanx mang :)

[Anonymous No.1781642]

>>1781599
>>1781597
>>1781594
>>1781592
>>1781590
also stop giving youre drawings those thick ass outlines
it looks really bad
work on the essentials first then try to be more stylized if you want, what youre doing isnt very professional
i cant take your drawing seriously when theyre like that

[Anomynus No.1781645]

>>1781642

Arrighty. Not exactly going for professional, I mean I'm just doing this when I'm baked so yeah.

Thanks all, except for that dip faggot

[Anonymous No.1781652]

>>1781645
>Not exactly going for professional
its not about being a pro
its about having your drawings taken seriously
>inb4 well i dont want them to be taken seriously
then why are you posting them

[Anomynus No.1781659]

>>1781652

I don't want them to be taken terribly seriously, I'm obviously a beginner and I just wanted to get some crit and a general idea of how good/bad they were. I just shat these out when I was high and I want to know what people think, and grow from it.

>here's me trying to be taken seriously

[Anonymous No.1781668]

>>1781659
then why are you posting them if you know theyre crap? whats the point
my critique isnt going to help if youre just pooping out stuff

this is better, why didnt you just post this in the first place. you still outline it a little too much , and the anatomy is off but its better.
you need to put more value into youre drawing. theres just too much white and check your perspective. i feel like the right eye is comming up at me when it should be moving away

[Anonymous No.1781731]

With cross contour drawing should I draw the outline first or should I build the form gradually with contour lines?

[Anonymous No.1781744]

I find myself never practicing, because every single time I've practiced it's ended up becoming a frustrating mess. I get frustrated when I'm not doing something right and now every time I think about practicing my mind associates all that frustration with drawing, so I sort of block it out. How do I make my drawing practice more beneficial so that I associate it with more positivity?

[Anonymous No.1781752]

>>1781744
> I get frustrated when I'm not doing something right

Learning process is about not doing things right. Everytime you notice something is not good just correct it in your next drawing. Can't draw hands? Draw 100, everytime try to correct something and voilà - you are 100 times better at drawing hands.

[Anonymous No.1781755]

>>1781752
I guess I knew that all along, I just needed to hear it from someone else. Thanks, I'll just suck it up.

[Anonymous No.1781756]

>>1781744
Nicolaides said the sooner you make your first five thousand mistakes the sooner you will be
able to correct them. Learning to draw, much like learning to do anything is the act of making mistakes and learning from them, you can't learn if you don't mistakes and the only way to make mistakes is to get out and try your damnedest. Yes, whatever you draw is going to look like shit for quite some time but with every thing you draw you learn slowly, keep in mind that every drawing you bang out is one step closer to getting to where you wanna be.

Draw through the pain, anon.

[Anonymous No.1781844]

>>1781731
Start with the gesture or an overall blocked in shape

[Anonymous No.1782036]

>>1781583
is this from drawing on the right side of the brain? good choice
i understood that exercise as getting used to REALLY pay attention to what you see
dont bother about your lines (yes i think you are supposed to never lift your pencil)
its really about paying attention and not drawing in symbols - if i recall correctly an upcoming exercise will be "crunch/wrinkle/crumble a piece of paper into a loose ball - draw every single line/fold/edge you see"
that was a ridiculous exercise but afterwards you know you have seen the face of god
this mindless copying can be really fun
i read that book 4 years ago and still have that piece of crumbled paper resting on a shelf

[Anonymous No.1782085]

I read all "Drawing on the right side of the brain", and did some Loomis, and I found myself trying to draw other things.

Everything I could find, and reproduce them from a references, landscapes, peoples, sceneries, and such.

It's good or not ?
I find myself being alright at reproducing, I know I need Loomis for construction, but should I continue anyway ?

[Anonymous No.1782129]

>>1782085
I'm not quite sure I understand your question. Are you asking if you should continue to copy references?

[Anonymous No.1782132]

>>1782129
Yes, copying things is a good way to improve ?
I'm happy of the results, but I'm not sure it's a good thing to do as a beginner.

For example, I took pic related and tried to redraw it perfectly myself.

[Anonymous No.1782134]

>>1782132
Copying can be a good tool for trying to learn a certain artist's style or if you're trying to learn to draw manga, comic style but keep in mind that copying someone's stylized drawing like that isn't going to help you much in the long run or if you're a fresh beginner. If you're doing it for fun the by all means go ahead and do it but don't substitute it for actual life studies.

[Anonymous No.1782136]

>>1782132
It's a way to improve, but copy better things.
Even if I love Hotel Dusk, try copying plates, sculptures, etc...
You'll improve more that way

[Anonymous No.1782180]

I'm having some troubles while reading Loomis' "Fun with a pencil". I'm just really confused about what to do with it. I mean, he explains how he builds heads with simple shapes, but the finished work has tons of extra strokes and details added to it! Since it's not recommended just to copy, I tried to build my own blooks, but they always end up like shapes with eyes and hair, only vaguely resembling a face. I tried mixing it up a bit, for example, by adding a circle as a chin, but I don't feel like I know what I'm doing, and the result is terrible anyway.

So.. Yeah, how do you do it? What I'm doing wrong, how am I supposed to learn?

[Anonymous No.1782184]

>>1782180
Build forms ontop of other forms, if it helps not only study Loomis but Vilppu as well. Most importantly, study linear perspective.

[Anonymous No.1782187]

any tips on drawing from life?

[Anonymous No.1782235]

What books should I get? Specifically for anatomy and perspective? I already have Loomis Figure Drawing for all it's worth.

[Anonymous No.1782243]

I just started Fun with a Pencil and I have question

Is it normal to have no idea why you're drawing better? When I follow the steps, it seems wrong, like I'm making mistakes and Loomis is an idiot, but the end result ends up better than anything I've drawn before.

[Anonymous No.1782249]

What's the right way to hold a pencil?

The pictures seem to show using a tripod, but I seem to use 4 fingers with my ring finger acting as a rest/backstop for the pencil, my index pinning the pencil with the middle/thumb n charge of movement

[Anonymous No.1782263]

>>1782187
Look at your subject more than your paper, imagine your eye is synced to your pencil, spend at the very minimum a half an hour of observing and drawing your subject to drive it the fuck home.

>>1782235
I suggest Rapid Viz and Anatomy for Artists: elements of Form.

>>1782243
I have no idea what you're going on about.

>>1782249
However is comfortable to you while still being light on the paper, draw for around a half an hour alternating grips and fin which feels more natural for what you're trying to do.

[Anonymous No.1782274]

Any tips on making faces identifiable? When doing stylized faces, how do I make it look like a real person I know?

[Anonymous No.1782282]

>>1782274
well caricature is pretty easy. there's a sort of 'standard face' if you like. you pick the one or two things which are least compliant with that face on your subject and exaggerate them. the rest is getting features right enough. the right shaped jaw the right nose etc.

if instead of a caricature you want some sort of style like animu, you use a standard animu face instead of the usual one and you exaggerate a little less.

the standard face isn't like on paper usually, you have it in your brain. it's actually literally mapped out there. but here's that one you see around.

[Anonymous No.1782283]

>>1782282
then you can look at these celebrities and see how they vary from average, then exaggerate those variations. then if you want it to be stylized you vary a stylized face to the same extent.

nb. most people exaggerate features to some extent while doing portraits to make them look enough like the person.

[Anonymous No.1782284]

>>1782283
forgot pic ><

[Anonymous No.1782286]

>>1782284
and a nbnb this 'variation from average' thing is actually how we recognise people irl.

[Anonymous No.1782340]

How do you get past the self confidence barrier? I feel like a 5 year old scribbling with crayons whenever I try to draw.

[Doo-Wop Thread No.1782344]

>>1779989
Vladimir Vladimirovich?

[Anonymous No.1782375]

is there a difference between drawing from a photograph of a person and drawing from a real life model?

[Anonymous No.1782379]

>>1782340
Have you tried accepting that and donning a bib?

[Anonymous No.1782383]

>>1782375
Yes.

[Anonymous No.1782401]

>>1781304
I suffered from same problem, until somebody gave me this advice: sit with both legs at ground, close to table. Have an elbow of your drawing hand on the table.

[Anonymous No.1782414]

>>1782383
what kind of difference?

[Anonymous No.1782417]

>>1782414
Only one question per customer

[Anonymous No.1782436]

>>1782134
>>1782136
I see, thank you I'll work on better things.

[Anonymous No.1782439]

>>1782340
I'm told that you should never compare yourself with your peers, but just remember that there will always be people on this planet that draw worse than you - even if they are 4yr olds

But seriously, when we were 5 we all drew in class, and we had no shame. Then we grow up, we get really self conscious, and we stop drawing.

So go ahead and be that cocky 5yr old and draw with no shame

[Anonymous No.1782440]

>>1782414
What you would like to do more? Draw beautiful nude model from a boring picture or from life?

[Anonymous No.1782448]

>>1782414
The picture is from the perspective of the photographer as he sees the subject. What you see with your own eyes allows you to complete your full mental picture of the subject.

Plus it is not like they bolt your head into a vice and force you to draw, you make minute adjustments in your position to see around the edges of the subject.

[Anonymous No.1782456]

so is drawing hundreds of circles the best way to learn to draw them properly? Is there a faster method?

[Anonymous No.1782466]

>>1782401
That prevents me from using my arm to make lines, and thats how everyone says they make straight lines.

[Anonymous No.1782470]

>>1782456
A few hundreds of circles isn't all that much. Just draw what you like and it will probably contain circles. If you want clean accurate circles, use a template. If you don't really care about accuracy, just freehand it.

[Anonymous No.1782473]

>>1782456
Use a compass.

>Inb4 It's cheating

There's no need for a perfect hand draw circle, since a tool can do it better. If you are drawing circles deformed, with shaking lines or oval keeping training till you minimise these effects. Remember that the circle is mostly used as a base for faces/bodies and other shapes will probably override its format.

For everything else do yourself a favor and use a compass.

>>1782466
His advice is only good for small drawings/details where you'll be using your fingers to move the pencil. There's no sugar coating for this, only practice, practice, pratice.

If you guys haven't seen yet, these videos can help:
http://youtu.be/AaZmwHU7vZo

http://youtu.be/wgDNDOKnArk

http://youtu.be/pMC0Cx3Uk84?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHFRfdirLJKk822fwOxR6Zn6

[Anonymous No.1782509]

8 really bad faces, 1 ok face. #7 chubby dude with glasses looks like a chubby guy with glasses.

No more pencil gestures - forcing myself to graduate to pen, and then gradually decrease pen thickness. Will I gain anything by doing this?

[Anonymous No.1782537]

any tips on drawing eyes? should i draw an eyeball shape first then add the skin?

[Anonymous No.1782553]

>>1780933

[Anonymous No.1782792]

how long it take you to get the automatism and line control?
I've been practing 5hours a day the last 7 days and I still find myself griping the pen too tightly or following my pen with the eyes, and so...

[Anonymous No.1782797]

Keys to Drawing 4C Head in Strong Lighting. i liked my construction but i think i f*cked it up with the bad charcoal shading. Anyone got any tips?

[Anonymous No.1782798]

>>1782797

[Anonymous No.1782818]

>>1782180

I'm just starting to learn and I've also noticed some problems with this, where the authors sort of get ahead of themselves with the examples. Just learn the concepts, don't worry about reproducing drawings the same quality as the examples because that takes an entire set of skills you haven't learned yet.

As far as I can tell, being able to draw things like faces even somewhat accurately, takes months of studying facial construction, practicing drawing the individual features, variations, planes, over and over and over. You get things like perspective, value, etc.

Just take the basic concepts you're being taught, and if you understand them and can apply them, even if what you draw doesn't really look great, it's fine. As long as you understand what the author is trying to teach with that particular lesson. Learn the concept, move on to the next one. You'll eventually get to the point where you understand everything that goes into drawing a face or whatever. As long as you keep practicing and learning that's all that matters, keep on pushing.

[Anonymous No.1782844]

>>1782797

god damn learn how to render properly with a fine piece of sharpened charcoal instead of going full retard smudge mode

disgusting

[Anonymous No.1782858]

a complete body drawing, every time i try it i get really depressed about my skill level...

[Anonymous No.1782863]

>>1782858

You actually have to use your brain to get good at this whole "drawing" thing.

If you can't look at that drawing and see what needs to be fixed, you're in the wrong business. you need to be able to pretend you're looking at someone else's work and critiquing it, and applying those critiques to your own drawing.

If you don't ever make the effort to say, hey, this looks like fucking shit, you're never, ever, going to get any better than that. Posting on 4chan isn't going to help either.

[Anonymous No.1782873]

>>1782858
you should learn how to copy pictures. it's really not that hard and will help you controlling your lines which you will need for everything anyway.
copying something precisely takes time, the more time you take, the more accurate you copy it, the better.
sooner or later you will get the hang of it and your hand-eye coordination will be at a point where you can work noticably faster while drawing noticably cleaner lines

[Anonymous No.1782886]

>>1782858
Construct shapes. Don't draw the whole thing in contour.

[Anonymous No.1782922]

>>1779989
that isn't a real exercise is it? please tell me it's a parody of the worst case of symbol drawing. no one can be cruel enough to actually teach this?

[Anonymous No.1782927]

>>1782922
Please tell me you're sitting on mount stupid.

That's clearly an exercise for pen technique and lines, not drawing a head.

[Anonymous No.1782928]

>>1782922
It's for line control, nigger.

[Anonymous No.1782930]

So I'm at absolute beginner/zero skill
The things in the sticky show about the upside down thing and I've skimmed over keys to drawing, but I find that I need more, like I can't draw a line, or a circle, or even write legibly. What should I use to get even the basics of putting pen to paper?

[Anonymous No.1782931]

>>1782792
5 hours a day drawing LINES?

Why? You should do it 30 minutes before you do a study. Don't waste your time and stress over it, you will get better eventually. It doesn't have to be perfect all the time. Just don't forget there are plenty of things to study.

>>1782930
Search Youtube for "Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han"

[Anonymous No.1782932]

>>1782930
try Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFVggG7ajXM

[Anonymous No.1782984]

>>1782931
Lines, elipsis, simple things in prespective and simple stuff like that where all that matter is line control.

>>1782930
I'm like you. I am doing Peter Han's exercises and also reading How To Draw. I think they're bot helpful, because I think it's hard to get frustated with those exercises (although some people can found them boring).

[Anonymous No.1783009]

I just made it to ch. 2 of Keys to Drawing, and I decided that I want to draw like Rembrandt. And Im wondering if there is anyone on here who has anything they want to say about him, like if there is a specific name for the way he draws? Sorry, this question sounds funny.

[Anonymous No.1783057]

>>1783009
iktf

Although I decided I want to sketch like him. It looks a more feasible goal.

[Anonymous No.1783063]

>>1783057
yeah, I think what I like about his art is that its interesting seeing all those swirvy lines forming a realistic figure.

[Anonymous No.1783072]

Did the gods create hands to punish those who try to replicate their creation?

[Anonymous No.1783097]

I made the mistake of reading reading the villpu drawing manual.
Should I place several shapes in strong lighting and draw and understand what I'm seeing?

[Anonymous No.1783114]

>>1783072
I like it! It's funny

[Anonymous No.1783123]

>>1783114
Thanks. I was doing it upside down and getting frustrated as I was obviously getting everything wrong. Then I finished, turned it around and laughed my fucking ass off.

Being reminded to have fun was an even more important lesson to me than to look at the actual lines.

[Anonymous No.1783134]

Why is coloring people skin so hard /ic/

[Anonymous No.1783142]

>stupidely thought I didn't need to study keys to drawing
>jump into villpu
>frusturated for a long amount of time with what I make when I do gestures of pictures
>decide to go read the sticky and do what it says instead of skipping steps
>the comfort I feel in doing look, hold, draw thing right off the bat
I like the feet I drew today

[Anonymous No.1783208]

>>1783134
disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1783263]

>>1783134
disgusting

[Anonymous No.1783272]

>>1783134
fucking saved

[Anonymous No.1783273]

>>1783134
beautiful

[Anonymous No.1783275]

>>1783134
priceless, anon, priceless

[Anonymous No.1783276]

>>1783275
>pic
needs more fatty.png

[Anonymous No.1783286]

betty edwards and bert dobson are makin me mad.

[Anonymous No.1783311]

>>1783134
[spoiler] http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc&p=n#/0;3

[Anonymous No.1783319]

>>1783286
draw what you see

[Anonymous No.1783321]

>>1783319
not what you think...

[Anonymous No.1783322]

>>1783321
you see

[Anonymous No.1783348]

hey guys I was wondering if I could get some critiques on this. I didn't use a ref for it, I think I messed up the boobs Or the torso is too long and I think somethings up with her right arm. Also I don't really no how to add detail lines except for the abs and upper body stuff

[Anonymous No.1783357]

Hey guys, this is sort of a personal question for you guys.

At what age did you guys start to take art more seriously and improve yourself?
I'm 18 and I feel as if I started too "late". If that makes sense.
This is one of my "better" works that I did, I used a page from the manga called dragon's rioting and decided to recreate it.

[Anonymous No.1783365]

>>1783348
NEVER neglect hands and feet.
They're hard and time consuming, but you'll never improve if you don't try at least.

[Anonymous No.1783374]

>>1783357
Hey anon, im an absolute beginner too and I just recently discovered that reading lots of famous artists biographies are one of the most comforting things ever for me. There so many things that I find relatable with them.

And to answer your question, think about this anon, Vincent van Gogh didn't start getting into art till his late 20s

btw, you should try to copy from life, and save copying manga after mastering realism. But Ill leave the actual experts of /ic/ to get at you about that.

[Anonymous No.1783381]

>>1783357
Doesn't matter the age your start. The only thing that can truly slow you down is time but it's like this for almost everything in life, so mehh. Drawing is extremely time consuming. Without enough time it could take you 1 year+ just to get into the basics while a person with spare time can see the same progress after 3-6 months.

That's why lots of artists start at an early age, they have time and a passion. In the end only time and practice matters.

[Anonymous No.1783384]

My friend's dad is really into tabletop games and he said he would pay me to draw characters even when I told him I don't believe I'm good enough for commissions...

He INSISTED I do them... he must fap to harpy-ladies or something.

So any tips or tricks you guys do? I'm really trying to improve my action poses so they are more interesting.

[Anonymous No.1783389]

>>1783365

Thanks mate, I don't feel confident with my hands or feet I was thinking of doing some studies on em real soon, I'll also start incorporating them completely in my full body studies.

[Anonymous No.1783511]

So what is the optimum amount of practice time for one day?
i guess since its subjective just give your own work time.
How long can you practice until you plateau/lose interest or just call it quits do to schedule?

[Anonymous No.1783516]

>>1783511
depends on the task. If I'm checking the time instead of focusing on the details of the drawing, it is probably time to take a break.

[Anonymous No.1783551]

>>1783511
>Home from work at 8-9pm
>cook dinner clean up till 10
>watch movie till 12-1am
>draw time! 1-2am browse 4chan for refs, study books
>practice faces 2-3am
>do gestures 3-4am
>try something new 30min - fail
>4-5am post exercises on /ic beginner thread
>5-730am sleep
>8am go to work and browse /ic planning for next draw session

I try to get 2-3 hrs a day, it is just a hobby for me

[Anonymous No.1783594]

When drawing on a tablet, I hear using a 3Pixel Brush is good, but how big should the standard Width X Height be, Just did some drawings with 475 X 600, like the lines were to thick for the size of my drawings

[Anonymous No.1783600]

>>1783594

At least 2000 px, much bigger than 2000 (5000 pixels or greater) and you can always downscale.

[Anonymous No.1783605]

>>1783600
And then once you are done with the picture you like, shrink it down to tidy it up? That would explain why images oftenly aren't giant but still dont have such bold lines like what im doing

[Anonymous No.1783610]

>>1783600
Is this the real norm? I've been drawing digitally for years but it's hard breaking the habit of only drawing as big as fits my screen full size.

[Anonymous No.1783616]

>>1783605
>>1783610

Yes basically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsvvQF79xLY

[Anonymous No.1783621]

>>1783605

And you should shrink the res low enough if you are commissioning so that the client won't steal full res. So yes.

[Anonymous No.1783625]

>>1783621
Huh, is that like so you still own rights to the actual image

[Anonymous No.1783630]

>>1783625
Well yeah I mean for example, if you had the full res image of pic related without the watermark you could just save that and give it to hobbyheart or whatever and make your custom that way without paying the artist.

They can't make use of low res images.

[Anonymous No.1783632]

>>1783630
Thanks man, thats rather useful, not for a long LONG time, but still you may of saved my future ass

[Anonymous No.1783699]

just started with ktd, how's this?

[Anonymous No.1783722]

>>1780432
that picture is a bit small for a ref isn't it?

[Anonymous No.1783723]

>>1783699
• Did you observe the subject as much as you observed your drawing?
• Did you attempt to draw “blind” at least three or four times?
• Did you try “restating”?
• In your judgment, does the drawing contain accurate contours and details that resemble what you observed?

[Anonymous No.1783733]

>>1783723
1. I think I looked at my hand more than i did the drawing
2. yea
3. yea
4. kinda, i guess

[Anonymous No.1783734]

>>1780459
Don't draw your eyebrows like that, it's better to draw them out as a shape.

with the eyelashes, the mark for your drawing's eyelashes are kind of haphazard and don't match up with the actual eyelashes at all.
and a general tip for all of you drawings is try to recognize form, you use lines to represent your eyelids, but I don't think you represented the form of them at all.
sorry if this is poorly typed, I haven't slept in over 24 hours and I'm running on caffeine right now.

[Anonymous No.1783740]

tell me honestly, have i improved? what else can I do to improve?

[Anonymous No.1783747]

So the one piece of advice you see given to beginners over and over again is "draw from life."

I understand that it's something you need to do to get a firm grasp on the fundamentals like construction and lighting and all that. What i don't get is what people actually mean when they say it. Do you want me to just sit somewhere and draw exactly what i see in front of me, or grab a sponge or a camera or something and throw it under a lamp and then just draw that. Or am i supposed to draw the object, imagine it in 3D and then draw it from many angles. Please.

[Anonymous No.1783748]

>>1783747
yes. do all of that

[Anonymous No.1783751]

Where I can learn about how "3D" circles work? I can't quite construct a loomis head correctly because I don't know where the place the very first lines. I'm sure I'll improve greatly after understand how to place lines correctly. Pic related, lastest work.

Also this >>1783732

[Anonymous No.1783752]

>>1783740
you still have problems with your line control.
Also don't trace, not even a bit, it hurts your improvement and "blocks" your understanding (of what are you drawing I mean)

[Anonymous No.1783755]

>>1783752
okay, that makes sense. How can I work on improving my lines?

[Anonymous No.1783762]

>>1783751
Aaaand how my front view heads looks like. Any help appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1783763]

>>1783734
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.1783765]

>>1783733
You're on the right track.

[Anonymous No.1783766]

>>1783751
I just thought of this, but I think this would be a good exercise. Just takes a tiny bit of effort -

Get ahold of some round styrofoam balls. Practice drawing circular lines around the ball with sharpie, and try and make them as straight as possible. Two lines on the X and Y axis should meet perpendicularly.

I think that would really help you understand planes in relation to a 3D circle, and also 3D objects in general.

[Anonymous No.1783791]

>>1783766
Great tip, anon. I'm struggling with this right now.

[Anonymous No.1783792]

>>1783762
some useful shit

[Anonymous No.1783795]

>>1783792
that's a little complicated for my level anon. I don't think it's going to help at all.

[Anonymous No.1783796]

>>1783755
Fill a piece of scratch paper with lines every day, curved lines, straight lines, ovals, right angles, whatever it may be so long as you're drawing them with one solid, unbroken line. Stop using your eraser, draw using your shoulder and not your wrist and just draw more in general thinking about where your lines are gonna go and how you're gonna put them down.

Clean line work is something every artist is constantly working on and comes with experience, just keep practicing.

[Anonymous No.1783801]

>>1783796
Okay, thank you very very much! I knew that it was kind of sloppy, but I didn't know how to fix it. Now I'll go practice. Thank you!!!

[Anonymous No.1783807]

>>1783766
Thanks for reply. I'll get some styrofoam balls tomorrow. But there isn't any exercise I can do right now, digitally I mean? Here's what I'm trying to do, I hope it works and make me improve.

[Anonymous No.1783811]

>>1783751
Look at a basketball, It's divided into hemispheres by lines that wrap around it. When it rotates, the lines change accordingly to how the ball is oriented. There's more complicated definitions and examples using perspective but it's the same results.

>>1783747
Drawing from life works on many different levels in that you are learning to disassociate symbolic imagery with what you are actually seeing in front of you as well as getting a feel for an object's form or shape by observing and studying it.

I might sound like a crazy art teacher here but when you're drawing from life you should spend 90% of the time drawing looking at your subject and not at your paper. Also, imagine that your drawing utensil is your finger and that you're running it across the edges that you see. Also, I would worry less about rendering/shading what have you and worrying more about your lines and correct proportions as I believe this is pretty much the most important step in the process.

[Anonymous No.1783818]

>>1783807
Start looking into perspective.

[Anonymous No.1783825]

>>1783818
I will.

[Anonymous No.1783930]

It's been a while since I've tried gesture, I'm not sure if I got better or worse.

[Anonymous No.1783932]

>>1783825
More floating heads. Going to learn perspective now

[Anonymous No.1783934]

>>1783932
Draw more fat people

[Anonymous No.1783938]

>>1783934
Okay, but why?

[Anonymous No.1783996]

any exercise generator that give you some no too complex object, a direction and then you can ask for the an image of the object rotated to that direction?

I don't want to install a blender or whathever is used for 3d modelling.

[Anonymous No.1784008]

>>1783930
At what stage did you start with gesture? Did you follow some book/tutorial?

[Anonymous No.1784012]

Cut the time I spend on /ic/ and spend it actually using the pdf files I got from here.

Going through Eliot Goldfinger - Human Anatomy for Artists

>pic related
>fucking with skulls

[Anonymous No.1784014]

>>1784012
7spooky9me

[Anonymous No.1784127]

>>1784008
there wasn't really a threshold I thought I had to break before I could do gesture, villpu for starters, some Loomis.

[Anonymous No.1784136]

I'm not really an /ic/ lurker but I might as well post this. Legs are a little short and tiny, I know. Any tip?

[Anonymous No.1784140]

>>1784136
Torso is also too short. Bottom of the crotch and wrists should line up.

[Anonymous No.1784141]

How the heck do I do these gesture drawings?

At first I tried a minute and couldn't get anything down, and then I tried two minutes and got this.
How do you guys do this?
I feel as if it goes by too fast and I cannot do anything.

[Anonymous No.1784145]

>>1784141
terrible

[Anonymous No.1784151]

>>1784141
By feeling it. Let your hand go free.

[Anonymous No.1784156]

>>1784140
Thanks

[Anonymous No.1784161]

>>1784151
I just can't feel it man.

How do I feel?

[Anonymous No.1784170]

>>1784161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

[Anonymous No.1784185]

>>1784170
I tried holding my pencil a bit like how proko did in the video and got this.

Am I feeling it now?

[Anonymous No.1784200]

>>1784185
It's better. Keep practicing.

[Anonymous No.1784216]

I have no clue how these breasts should be shaped.

[Anonymous No.1784228]

>>1784216
You do not understand breasts well enough to visualize them and thus render them properly.

Keep working on the basics—your line work is horrible and your understanding of the human body as a whole is nil. Go to any guide and follow it through. Now.

[Anonymous No.1784247]

>>1784228
Wait shit I posted the wrong one, that was my first attempt, Im going over my shitty drawings fixing what I see wrong, Like the arm here still looks wrong, her inner tit looks a bit to big compaired to the other and the top of her head still looks wrong
Anything Else you see wrong
yeah I know my lines are confident, but Im easing into using my full arm lengths, think I should of got a Med Tablet

[Anonymous No.1784257]

>>1784185
I would've uploaded this one earlier but my laptop died.

Ignore the face/hair I had Jojo's bizarre adventure on my mind for some reason.
I put in a bit more details and solid lines compared to the others.

My main gripe right now is construction and I'll most likely try working on an effective method for constructing a body by using shapes.

Anyway this is it for me, I'm off to sleep.
Goodnight guys.

[Anonymous No.1784285]

>>1783072
i feel you anon, i've done this only 3 times so far but each one was more frustrating than the last. at least you get a laugh out of it in the end

[Anonymous No.1784301]

Any Advice? It was done in about 15 mins with reference.

[Anonymous No.1784303]

>>1784301
These 2 were imagination, about 7 minutes each.

[Anonymous No.1784304]

>>1784301
>>1784303
My advice is I think you should finish them first.

I'd rather be impressed with what you have then how fast you did it.

[Anonymous No.1784307]

>>1784304
I'm not trying to impress anyone with how long it took. I just thought it was relevant information.

[Anonymous No.1784350]

>>1784307
it was.
anyway i like 'em. they have a sort of gauguin quality which is nice.

i would just slow down a bit on adding the shading, just be a little more careful. read something about it. work from a mid-tone, that sort of thing.

but all in all just keep it up. and yes, more finished would be good, if you neglect the hands and feet today you'll regret it tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.1784351]

attempts at lines is pic related. This is pretty fun, but I think it'll take a while to get good at it.

[Anonymous No.1784367]

Excuse the mess, I was practicing perspective stuff. I need to draw lighter so it doesn't look a mess.

[Anonymous No.1784372]

>>1784351
just do a bit of that to warm up before drawing. it's a real 'muscle memory' thing so it works like exercise.

[Anonymous No.1784380]

>>1784351
>>1784372
also when i personally was first starting out a good exercise was to draw a random shape (the more lines and swerves the better[and its best if your pencil doesnt leave the paper while drawing it]) and then trace over that shape multiple times without the pencil leaving the paper

[Anonymous No.1784391]

>>1784380
sounds nice. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.1784441]

What can I Read/Listen/Watch for Anatomy

[Anonymous No.1784458]

>>1783795
i don't think you're still there, still: it's not that pro level, it's a semplification of face muscles, take some photo and try to trace over it that scheme with alle the circls and stuff, it helps to understand the relations beteween the parts. the difficult part is to apply it to angled views.

[Anonymous No.1784469]

Should Tracing be avoided at all cost
Ive been doing it a bit just to learn how it SHOULD look

[Anonymous No.1784478]

>>1783811
Not that anon. Should I try to measure in all my drawing from life? Currently I do some draws without measure, some others when I measure only when I am not really sure (about 5-15 per draw), and sometime I draw something measuring a lot.

Also, should I use the Bargue method when using construction from life before start outlining the structure (i.e. make some shapes to help me with the proportions and relations)?
And when just drawing what I see?

[Anonymous No.1784493]

>>1784441
Der Nackte Mensch
Die Gestalt des Menschen

[Anonymous No.1784495]

>>1784458
I'm back now, haha. And I will do it anon. Thanks for reply.

First failed perspective drawings. First try too. You have to start somewhere... Surely I'll understand how it works soon!

[Anonymous No.1784496]

>>1784495
And another floating head because I can't resist.

[Anonymous No.1784500]

>>1784495
get some confidence in your lines

[Anonymous No.1784502]

Although I watched some videos about gesture, everyone says something different, and the more I try the worse my gestures are.

Any tip?

pic related, trying to do something different

[Anonymous No.1784507]

>>1784502
You're just scribbling, instead of thinking where you should put your lines.

Imagine the format and where you want your line to go than draw, right now you're drawing and trying to fix your lines later.

>Think first, draw later.

[Anonymous No.1784508]

Still having trouble using the Drawing Tablet, Drawing a straight line just isnt working, it either curves out of control or has some waves that look bad

[Anonymous No.1784511]

>>1784500
How I get more confidence in my lines?

[Anonymous No.1784517]

Should I keep everything I draw? I usually dump most of my drawings because they are shit, only kept a few ones that I thought weren't so bad

[Anonymous No.1784519]

>>1784517
I like to keep everything for a before and after, the change in 2 weeks is dramatically amazing

[Anonymous No.1784525]

>>1784511
See:
>>1782932
>>1782473
Do these for like 30 minutes everyday or before drawing/study. Eventually your lines will get better.


Who creates the next thread should really put these links in the first post. Every thread there's beginners asking how to improve lines, how to get more confident or how to draw ellipses and it gets kinda difficult to backtrack through a 200+ replies thread to find these exercises.

[Anonymous No.1784532]

>>1784525
Thanks anon. Will do.

[Anonymous No.1784535]

some gestures i did in pixelovely. 30 minute session. would like some crit

[Anonymous No.1784536]

>>1784535

[Anonymous No.1784539]

>>1784536

[Anonymous No.1784563]

I'm starting to understand it?

[Anonymous No.1784576]

>>1784563

[Anonymous No.1784598]

>>1784539
what the fuck you doing drawing nipples, pubic hair, facial features in a gesture for?
>>1784536
>>1784535
very typical beginner gestures, only ~9908 to grind more till you see major improvement

[Anonymous No.1784603]

>>1784598
>what the fuck you doing drawing nipples, pubic hair, facial features in a gesture for?
He is sexually repressed.

[Anonymous No.1784615]

>>1784598
two of em were 5 minute gestures and one was 11 minutes. I know it's recommended to do 30-60 second gestures, but that's what was in the class session in pixelovely

[Anonymous No.1784620]

>>1784598
does anyone have "master" level gesture drawing for reference?

[Anonymous No.1784624]

>>1784563
perspective?

standing figures of the same hight will cut through the horizon at the same place. So if the horizon cuts through the foreground figure's shoulders, it should do the same for the background figure.

use a ruler or the line tool

>>1784576

draw a line in one piece, not in 5-6 individual strokes.

the horizon is far too low.

again, please use a ruler. perspective is actually easier to learn by reading than by practice, at least at this stage.

[Anonymous No.1784636]

>>1784620
This was posted in a gesture thread.

[Anonymous No.1784638]

>>1784636
>terrible proportions
>bad foreshortening and perspective

>master drawing

top kek

[Anonymous No.1784639]

>>1784620
>>1784636
you should look at gestures done by animators not richard anderson

[Anonymous No.1784645]

>>1784638
>Implying proportions are important when doing a gesture drawing

Ya' dingus

[Anonymous No.1784646]

So I've gone from a fast swipe, to a gentle, steady but not entirely slow stroke.

My warmups look better, and it's easier to divide a page using large straight lines and such. It's cool.

Meanwhile, I have not finished a single gesture. I figure I should pop myself back to 60 seconds and learn to adapt.

This is almost as tedious as figuring out an angle I preferred for drawing from the shoulder, but twice as fun, 'cause I get to do more gesture.

Shit's so fun.

[Anonymous No.1784649]

>>1784645
>implying they're not

you're the dingus

[Anonymous No.1784656]

Does anyone else feel that drawings just sort of happen? Once i have the rules in the back of my mind i just sort of zone out, and i have a drawing all of a sudden.
Is this normal? I fucking love it.

[Anonymous No.1784660]

For beginners, specifically one's with trouble in anatomy like me, don't have time to take very accurate proportions into account. Gesture drawing for me was always about getting general idea and the motion (or the lack of motion) of the pose down. But then again, I'm just a beginner so I'm not quite sure about my ideology on gesture drawing.

[Anonymous No.1784664]

>>1784660
for >>1784649
*

[Anonymous No.1784679]

>>1784638

>Insulting other artists to feel better

Some people here are major fucktards.

[Anonymous No.1784683]

>>1784639
any good resources for that?

[Anonymous No.1784725]

>>1784683
Gestures confuse me /ic/. I know gerstures are supposed to capture the action and all, but when I look up images for gestures, they're all anatomically correct while mine just look like personified blobs in motion.

So I guess my question is, is it okay that my gestures do not to look anatomically correct for the first few tries, and that I should gradually try to make them look better over time?

[Anonymous No.1784726]

>>1784683
sorry, didn't mean to quote you in my above post.

[anon No.1784727]

Anyone got any tips on how to improve making single/straight lines? my hands always shake out when i try to draw a long line so i end up just drawing tiny lines after one another.

[anon No.1784732]

>>1784727
here is another one.

[Anonymous No.1784733]

If you are aiming to do concept art, being uber good at gesture is stupid since most of your designs will be standing poses. Gesture is for animation and comics.
>>1784725
>anatomically correct for the first few tries
>anatomy
That isn't the point of gesturing.

[Anonymous No.1784735]

>>1784727
See >>1782932

[Anonymous No.1784736]

How the fuck I heal symbol drawing. My countour drawings looks like shit, I don't know what tracing means and negative space looks like shit too. Yes I'm mad. I'm struggling for months doing what sticky tells me to do but it's not working.

[Anonymous No.1784737]

>>1784733
Another thing, your gestures don't mean shit if you aren't applying it to making animation or comics regularly.

[Anonymous No.1784738]

>>1784736
Post one of your recent drawings, you may not be as bad as you think. I have a feeling you tried learning advanced things without fully understanding the basics. Either way, knowing you have things that should be fixed is the first step to success.

[Anonymous No.1784741]

>>1784733
>>1784737
Okay, Ill continue on with my gestures then. And I figure, "Hey, im just on Keys of Drawing, so Ill have lots of opportunities with gesture". Oh yeah, I do want to be a comic artist one day, so I see gestures are really important for someone like me.

Thanks for responding to my post anon, I have more encouragement now.

[Anonymous No.1784742]

>>1784738
see >>1784654

[Anonymous No.1784743]

I'm really struggling to draw gestures, I just end up doing sketches or stock men.

[Anonymous No.1784744]

>>1784743
Post 'em.

[Anonymous No.1784745]

>>1784742
All of the people who replied to you there were right - you're not drawing what you're seeing, and it shows. You should study your picture before you draw.

If you have Keys to Drawing, start it over and pay special attention to the third chapter.

[Anonymous No.1784748]

>>1784745
I'll be honest with you. I'm really angry and frustrated. I would mind if someone just tell me how to fuck off of all this drawing bullshit right now. I don't have the patience it takes you have no idea of how hard I have worked to achieve fucking nothing. So, if you, or someone else know how just quit drawing I'll gladly follow your instructions and never look back.

[Anonymous No.1784751]

>>1784744
This grainy photo is the sort of thing I've ended up with, while watching people dig holes in sand.

[Anonymous No.1784752]

>>1784748
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.1784756]

>>1784748
do you understand the principle behind drawing what you see? do you actually put effort into drawing, line by line, what you see in front of you? you really do have to try and recreate every line exactly as it appears to you. all properties of each line: the way they curve, their length, their thickness, their angle, etc.

maybe you're just being lazy when you attempt these drawings

[Anonymous No.1784757]

>>1784748
If you're not actually APPLYING what you're learning in your drawings then you're doing nothing. You can check Loomis book and look how he draws a face and then copy his faces 100 times and you'll still learn nothing because you won't understand WHY you're doing it and HOW to actually draw a face. This is not a smart way to learn, m8.

I don't believe you want to quit, you just want to get better, and once that happens your frustration will be gone. If you want to do that, start over and do it well. Follow the instructions.

[Anonymous No.1784766]

I feel that every absolute beginner here is just like me. We find out our drawings shit when we browse /ic/, so we attempt the loomis books. And then, after a while, our drawings are still shit after reading loomis. So then, we finally lose any sense of pride we have, realize that drawing is the biggest bitch on the planet, and just start from scratch by reading Keys to Drawing, and make sure we do every single motherfucking thing were told.

[Anonymous No.1784767]

>>1784748

Maybe you should fuck off, less competition for me. (my mean side)

Maybe you should pay for classes and forget about the sticky, you know that sticky was community contributed, right? How many pros around here do you see? Very few.

[Anonymous No.1784769]

>>1784766
>and just start from scratch by reading Keys to Drawing, and make sure we do every single motherfucking thing were told.

Good, that's the way to do it.

[Anonymous No.1784772]

New >>1784771

[Anonymous No.1784778]

>>1784752
Go fuck yourself. I hope every single person you love die in a painful way.

>>1784756
>>1784757
which proves i don't have what it takes. i try, i do what the book says and still dont get it.

>>1784766
good luck with it. you probably will do better than me.

>>1784767
yeah yeah. good luck with this "competition". I'm not spending any more minute or effort on this bullshit.

goodbye ic.

[Anonymous No.1784781]

>>1784778

Fucking lol you are quitting because of a recommended book that is completely optional. Whatever, this industry is not for the weak.

[Anonymous No.1784798]

>>1784778
just do bargue plates.

people here really underestimate how important they are.

[Anonymous No.1784888]

>>1784778
u mad?

[Anonymous No.1785035]

>>1780423
That's because you've drawn a thingamajig that doesn't follow any sort of "pattern", and without a background.