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QUESTION THREAD Anonymous Mon Jul 14 19:38:59 2014 No.1779595 [DELETED]

Want to ask something? Don't make a new thread. Post it here!

Also: If you ask a question, look through the thread and see if you can answer other people's questions

Previous thread >>1771578

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 19:45:18 2014 No.1779606 Best way to study and understand perspective? I'm feeling like I'm doing it wrong. How did you learn? How long did it take you to grasp it?

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 20:10:58 2014 No.1779636

Ok it's been 2 weeks or more now, I keep refining thumbnails for a few days then drop them because i dont like the idea anymore nor how it's looking. I totally stopped producing ,what do? Only stuff i can finish are studies , still lives etc.

>>1779606
im studying it too atm and im reading perspecive made easy by norling. its got some exercises although im still confused about stuff.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 20:32:41 2014 No.1779652

>>1779636
>im studying it too atm and im reading perspecive made easy by norling. its got some exercises although im still confused about stuff.

That's exactly why I'm asking, I'm on the same boat. I'm doing what it says and I can get what's being written, but I'm so uncertain and confused about each new thing, I don't know what I'm doing at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 20:55:06 2014 No.1779668 >>1779606 Locate the horizon and vanishing points in photos/of things around you, draw basic things in perspective. Rapid Viz has some good exercises/examples.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 20:56:42 2014 No.1779669
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I'll repost my question from last thread.

What's a good book with exercises to try?

I've read a bunch of books about art, but I barely get a chance to try drawing shit and I'm really behind on it.

I've been drawing crap for too long and I just recently got a critique that gave me a reality check about it, mentioning how my drawings lack any formal foundations and that I should try re-learning anatomy again.
Before that I used to study Loomis' plates while I drew, but it only helped me to keep bare proportions right, without understanding the anatomy behind it.

Any ideas?

TL;DR: my drawings are shit, must go back to fundamentals, but i need a book with exercises and not so much on theory.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 20:57:58 2014 No.1779670
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Even if I'm a begginer, I want to draw EVERYTHING. Cars, aircrafts etc using perspective, people, faces, fucking proportions, then environments. Also, I want to master coloring and maybe one day, stylization. I know a little about each subject, even if I'm bad at it I just need to study. My problem is, I don't know how start and how organize my time for that. What would you recommend? How I make an efficent schedule? I know it will take time until my work start to look good. If I just focus in one subject I'll feel like I'm not doing enough, even if I draw 12 hours everyday.

Oh, and another thing. I own a "gaming" pc and a notebook for drawing. My pc stays on the table and the notebook is always changing location, I have no place for it in my bedroom. But there's an empty room which I could use for drawing. The problem is, I can't get out of my comfort zone, I don't feel like taking my notebook and going to another room, since my bedroom is so comfortable. Do you thing setting a bed on the empty room would make me stay there more often?

Sorry if it was a long text, I need to improve fast. 22 of July I'm entering in a "contest".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:01:25 2014 No.1779672 Is this the bargue drawing course everyone is talking about or is it actually a course that you attend? www.amazon.com/Charles-Bargue-Jean-Léon-Gérôme-Ackerman/dp/2867702038/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:05:55 2014 No.1779675 >>1779672 Yeah it's that.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:07:04 2014 No.1779678

>>1779672
Yes that's the book. It's not actually a course in itself, it is just a series of images you copy out ranging from simple to very complex, and they have breakdowns of the approach you can take shown with it.

It originally was designed as handouts that teachers could give to students for homework, but in recent years the approach has shifted and people slavishly copy out the diagrams over the course of weeks or months, which results in them completing maybe 2-4 plates instead of most of the course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:07:43 2014 No.1779680 >>1779606 >>1779636 >>1779652 legoman is teaching perspective on his stream right now

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:11:16 2014 No.1779681

>>1779672
The approach is taught in many ateliers, and the book covers some of the approach and includes the Bargue plates. The goal is to refine students' observational skills from life, and to instill some sense of classical aesthetics among other things.

Copying the plates are a good exercise to bring up your observational skills, but it isn't necessary to spend 50 hours on a plate as you'll hear a lot from places. From what I've heard, Bargue's students would have done all of the plates as homework, and as such it's impossible to spend 50 hours on each plate [don't have a source though].

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:23:24 2014 No.1779692 File: 456 KB, 393x598, beauty.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How render like this? In both medias, digital and tradicional.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:23:54 2014 No.1779694 does anyone else find that turning an image on its side makes its faults less noticeable in the same way mirroring it makes them more noticeable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:25:38 2014 No.1779696 >>1779692 >In both medias, digital and tradicional. Lrn2blend Know how to make hard and soft edges Know about forms and value Wow look at that now you can do it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:27:02 2014 No.1779699 >>1779692 Patience and a light hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 22:03:22 2014 No.1779724 >>1779699 >>1779696 With /ic/ nothing can be simple, uh?

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 22:06:48 2014 No.1779728

>>1779724
Well what the fuck do you expect for an answer? There is literally nothing more to it than "just draw it". It's like asking "how do I make a line like this?" and showing a picture of a line. You just fucking draw the line. Having a steady hand and practice will help, but that's about it, you just fucking do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 22:09:18 2014 No.1779732 >>1779680 link?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 22:14:24 2014 No.1779736 I am having a lot of drawing circles in perspective. I understand the idea of a minor axis and such but it never looks right... I feel like I don't have a basic understanding about how circles warp in perspective.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 23:02:34 2014 No.1779762
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>>1779595
I'm saving up right now for a drawing tablet with a screen.

And I know I SHOULD just deal with one that doesn't have one but I've used one for years and I still had too much trouble using it, my hand eye coordination between the tablet and computer was just too shit.

Anyone know a decently priced Tablet with screen? I'm already thinking in the price range of 300-700 so

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 23:41:19 2014 No.1779789 I have painters remorse. Whenever I get into painting something I'll stop about halfwwy through and paint the canvas white and repeat. Anyone else have this type of problem? Only happens with paints

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 23:49:57 2014 No.1779797

>>1779762
I'd go to the forums at tabletpcreview. They have a subforum where you can list your needs and your budget and they'll help point you to a model to look for (likely used on ebay).

For that price there are probably a few good tablets. You should definitely be able to get some older tablet pc at the very least, but again they'll help you narrow down what you need and how you should focus your search.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 23:52:03 2014 No.1779798 >>1779762 http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-Edition-White/dp/B00F3SOJ88

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:01:51 2014 No.1779811 >>1779762 Yivnova(sp?) and Monoprice I believe are decent alternatives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:04:20 2014 No.1779814 >>1779789 I get a bit of that. I think its a 'reach exceeds grasp' type thing. try painting a few minuettes before doing a bigger piece.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:09:17 2014 No.1779820 I want to buy my sister a tablet (she's 11) any simple easy to use ones that stand out? I'm looking at monoprice ones right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:10:00 2014 No.1779821 >>1779814 vignette not minuet lol. although thumbnail is what I should of said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:35:41 2014 No.1779849 File: 18 KB, 195x260, Drake0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did I "mark" (I'm not sure if this is the term) the features right? If no, please correct me and show me the right way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:45:28 2014 No.1779853 >>1779849 Also, do I have to draw a circle around his head (like loomis) or just his head shape (oval)?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:46:31 2014 No.1779855 >>1779853 >circle around his head *and chop the sides. Dman, I'm nervous. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 00:50:51 2014 No.1779857 >>1779849 Why do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:16:11 2014 No.1779883 In general, how much is overcharging and how much is undercharging?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:16:43 2014 No.1779884 File: 1.82 MB, 1423x1100, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can I achieve coloring similar to this with traditional mediums such as Watercolors or colored pencils

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:18:31 2014 No.1779885 >>1779884 yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:19:52 2014 No.1779887 >>1779884 gouache, acrylic and oil yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:27:52 2014 No.1779893 >>1779887 Thanks anon! I always assumed gouache was just white paint used for highlights in watercolor art.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:33:49 2014 No.1779899

>>1779893
that's one method, nathan fowkes does it all the time

conversely you can just use all gouache. try both out see what you prefer

watercolour + white gouache is perhaps the more classical/academic approach because you normally work from dark to light and from thin to thick paint. when working with gouache, you paint thicker and when painting with watercolour you paint thinner

i hope that made sense i'm a little out of it

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:40:44 2014 No.1779902

>>1779884
no! not really. but if you try you'll probably get something a little better. there are a lot of areas where if you wanted to do them traditionally you'd have to do some very counter-intuitive and/or fine things, for little gain. and it wouldn't be quite the same because, you know, paints are luminous and stuff.
>>1779893
gouache is just any opaque watercolour.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:55:38 2014 No.1779916

>>1779670
>Sorry if it was a long text, I need to improve fast. 22 of July I'm entering in a "contest"

You're not going to master anything is a week.

What works for me though, evaluate your weaknesses. break them down into small, finite subjects and study from there. What those weaknesses are you'll have to figure out. If you are a beginner though, may I suggest perspective?

>what is the horizon line?
>what is a vanishing point?
>What is 1/2/3 point perspective?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 01:57:54 2014 No.1779920 >>1779884 For something like that, you'd have to use both watercolor and coloured pencil, or you could use fluid acrylic which I think would be a simpler approach.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:03:09 2014 No.1779924 >>1779902 paints aren't luminous i mean. been away from the computer a week and i can't type for shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:04:21 2014 No.1779926 >>1779920 it would be really really reaallllly fucking hard to do that in acrylics. it's 90% subtle gradient.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:08:58 2014 No.1779930 >>1779926 >what is retarder >what is knowing different painting techniques anon when you don't know what you're talking about please don't try to give out advice

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:14:36 2014 No.1779934

>>1779930
i really do. like not kidding. gradients are hard in acrylics, if someone asks if they can do something in this thread they're not an experienced artist are they?

you can do a version of most things in most mediums if you're a fine painter. but asking a noob to do tons of subtle gradient shifts all over the place is asking for a frustrated little painter who never touches acrylics again.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:23:26 2014 No.1779947

>>1779934

you didn't say that though

you didn't mention retarder either

you just said it's really hard to do it in acrylics

which is partially true, but blending is just a technique

anyone can learn to make subtle gradients, even a beginner

a novice has to learn to paint eventually. medium is unimportant, the skills are transferable

so please, keep your misinformed opinions to yourself

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:33:37 2014 No.1779956

>>1779947
even with retarder it's still hard.putting retarder in acrylic paint doesn't change it into oil paint. there are many reasons why it's so hard. the colours don't mix well, so you have to do it in steps, which takes forever. or in layers which takes forever and ever. colours don't mix like digital paint so unless you're pretty experienced you'll mix it down all icky.

you can do a shitty job easily though. perhaps that's why you find it so easy. you don't know that you suck or you haven't used any other type of paint.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:40:54 2014 No.1779961

>>1779956
>hard.putting retarder in acrylic paint
you squeeze some into the paint and mix until even. it acts like regular acrylic, it just dries slower. it's not that hard. maybe you're just using shitty materials

>doesn't change it into oil paint
clearly it doesn't.

>there are many reasons why it's so hard.
it's easier than gouache or oil if anything.

>you can do a shitty job easily though. perhaps that's why you find it so easy. you don't know that you suck or you haven't used any other type of paint.
you're over reaching for that insult

gradients is pretty much painting 101. instead of questioning my competence maybe you should question your own since you're the one struggling so much

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:45:49 2014 No.1779965

>>1779961
seriously. I don't think you re lying about painting but you're so wrong I don't get how you could be that wrong and still paint properly. anyway you missed a full stop up there. putting retarder in paint isn't hard it just doesn't make it ready like oils are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:49:12 2014 No.1779967 Does anon use the IRC chat room? Been there a couple times and it's always been empty. Is there a certain time of day when people are on?

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:50:23 2014 No.1779968

>>1779965
instead of saying i'm wrong why don't you tell me why i'm wrong. i've given very valid reasons as to why acrylic painting isn't so much harder than oils like you seem to think but so far you haven't made a compelling argument

plus a novice should be spending his time painting, not waiting for oil paint to dry to do more layers

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 02:57:52 2014 No.1779972 next year im going to be living in a single apartment, but i want to continue oil painting in my apartment. anyone have any experiences working with those kinds of solvents in small spaces, and how you went about dealing with them? any advice?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:04:56 2014 No.1779975 >>1779972 switch to water soluble oils, keep windows open, keep a fan going to promote ventilation. other than that all you really need to do is be careful not to get paint everywhere and clean up after yourself well

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:10:00 2014 No.1779976 >>1779975 >water soluble oils No. Just use regular oils and make sure the lid is on your solvents while you paint so the fumes don't spread too much. With a window and fan you are plenty safe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:15:13 2014 No.1779979 >>1779976 >No. why not? water soluble oils are much safer and that's exactly what anon's asking for

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:22:31 2014 No.1779980 >>1779979 They're an inferior medium. They also would require him spending a lot to buy new paints, when he wants to continue using his oils.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:24:21 2014 No.1779981 >>1779980 >inferior medium i've used both. regular oils are marginally different

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:31:42 2014 No.1779984 File: 221 KB, 1000x1000, tmp_0080643000000-st-02-creative-mark-willow-charcoal-thin1183381069.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How to preserve charcoal work? I find fixative lightens it too much by the time I get all the coats I need.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 03:54:20 2014 No.1779994 >>1779984 hairspray?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 06:06:45 2014 No.1780064 Is there a particular topic I should start in drawing? I'm a really bad teacher. Sticky is good, but boring. Any alternatives?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 06:48:56 2014 No.1780087 Can anyone share any tips on how to like, show weight in a character? All my drawings look flat and weightless and I'm not sure how to go about fixing it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 07:00:31 2014 No.1780090 How can I color a comic book in a traditional way? If I use water color, the water makes the ink run. If you use ink washes, do you use them before the lineart or after?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 07:18:44 2014 No.1780107 >>1779994 Dont use hairspray if you're attached to your work, because it yellows over time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 12:54:45 2014 No.1780361 So, I tried to google that shit but cant seem to find it. What Im looking for are informations about how the "curriculum" of the old masters looked like. Or something about the education at the Russian Academy of Art.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 12:56:58 2014 No.1780365
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Hey guys, got a few questions for ya.

1) Tablet Position: Bamboo Splash (pic related).
I have been using it for a little under a year and it works perfect for me and my skill level (beginner/hobbyist/casual, etc). My question though, since I have been using it more and more lately (almost 3 to 4 hours a day now) should I try to dock it into an angled position while I'm using it? Will this be better for my hand/wrist in the long run? I'm comfortable either way but I was curious.

2) Tablet Life: Bamboo Splash (pic related).
Should I keep my tablet plugged in while it is not in use? I know these models are considered cheap to a lot of people, I've even been told I should replace it with a more advanced model but honestly it's perfect for me. I just want to make sure it will last as long as possible.

3) SketchBook Pro v 6.2 (pic unrelated).
I am under the impression that this software is the absolute best. I fell in love with SketchBook Express (which was one of two software programs bundled with my Bamboo Splash at the time) and I was wondering if any of you who may also run the software had a custom made brush you wouldn't mind sharing or know where I could find some. I have tried making my own and I haven't been 100% satisfied just yet.

Sorry if the post is a little long, thanks ahead of time if you answer and I've tabbed out and here's a preemptive fuck you to the assholes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 14:27:47 2014 No.1780453 File: 54 KB, 398x388, 1389302248001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is a good alternative to Paypal that allows NSFW commissions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 14:31:14 2014 No.1780458 >>1780453 just keep using paypal and use their invoice system. there's no way they can know otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 14:49:27 2014 No.1780473 >>1780458 Different anon here. What if I don't want commissioners to know my name?

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:14:41 2014 No.1780499

>>1780365
1) dock it/use it however it feels best to you. Nobody gives a fuck about your wrist, just the final product
2) Unplug it. How old are you?
3) Try using google to find brush sets. I know you're young and you haven't used google much, but it's really helpful

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:17:08 2014 No.1780500 Is there a standard rate on /ic/ when requesting pictures? Or is it different per artist here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:17:16 2014 No.1780502 >>1780473 there's not much i know you can do about that asides lying to your commissioner that you're using someone else's paypal. paypal requires your legal name and information.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:19:28 2014 No.1780505 >>1780500 it's different for every artist. though some will take up on your offer if you make any.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:30:46 2014 No.1780513 >>1780505 Is there already a board for requests or just make a random one? My apologies for stupid questions, I'm a lurkerfag from /b/ who was graced by someone in a drawthread with a requested picture and wanted to see if I could get more done.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:38:21 2014 No.1780522

>>1780513
it's alright, i think most of /ic/ look down on requests but if payment is involved, you'll surely get a few takers. you could try to make a thread.

personally, i think you'll have better luck getting work done from someone on deviantart or something though.

>>	swallow Tue Jul 15 15:45:33 2014 No.1780526 >>1780502 Business account, too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 15:46:34 2014 No.1780527 >>1780458 I'm too paranoid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 16:45:57 2014 No.1780588 HEEELLP!! I've been sending my portfolio out and finally got a reply, but they asked for a resume to take a look at. I have no idea what this means let alone a resume at all. I've only done some characters for a guy that was pretty informal. Halp pl0x

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 16:48:28 2014 No.1780592 >>1780107 >archival hairspray

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 16:54:57 2014 No.1780600 >>1780090 Alternativel, can someone recommend a book that deals with the technical stuff about comics and it's mediums?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 17:10:01 2014 No.1780627 >>1780588 pls

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 17:40:02 2014 No.1780669

>>1780588
>>1780627
wut lol where did you apply?

google what a resume is. it's just a list of your past experiences. include shit like "freelancing for x years", any projects you've worked on, your experience in photoshop and other programs....

y'know, like applying for a mcd job

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 17:44:22 2014 No.1780677 [DELETED]

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What are some programs that I could use to get the "blurriness" out of my photos when I take them? I use the photos for cartoon characters. All I have is paint and I need a way to fix the blurry edges of the characters....

Any help would be appreciated.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 17:47:46 2014 No.1780685
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What are some programs that I could use to get the "blurriness" out of my photos when I take them? I use the photos for cartoon characters. All I have is paint and I need a way to fix the blurry edges of the characters....

Any help would be appreciated.

(Pic related)

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:33:11 2014 No.1780739

>>1780087
Doing some life drawing of figures often helps. Hard to really give definitive advice without seeing your work.

All I can say is pay attention to balance, weight distribution, squashing forms, tension and relaxation, etc. Bridgman is good at showing weight. I'd look into the Human Machine, and Constructive Anatomy. I think Vilppu also does a pretty good job of showing weight IIRC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:34:14 2014 No.1780741 >>1780064 Try Vilppu's Drawing Manual? Do everything in order - don't just skip the parts you think you don't need / don't interest you. Those tend to be the things you need to study the most.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:39:47 2014 No.1780746

>>1780090
There were some posts about coloring comics on Muddy Colors, but upon looking at them it looks like they only talk about coloring digitally.

Your best bet is to do some research into comic colorists that you admire in the industry. You might have to dig back in time to find ones that have worked traditionally. Once you have a name, try to find a blog/site/deviantart. People in the industry get asked questions about materials and process so many times that they often make a detailed post about it. I know I've seen a few examples that dealt with inking comics in the past, but I don't know of any that deal with traditional coloring.

This is only speculation, but if you're using paper that can hold onto watercolors, you could try using watercolor over the pencil lineart, then inking once everything is dry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:40:54 2014 No.1780747 >>1780685 Either use a scanner, or use a tripod to hold the camera in a fixed position. Use a timer so that the camera isn't disturbed as the photo is taken.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:41:49 2014 No.1780749

I'm starting to work on gesture more but I'm running into major proportion issues when I try to do 30 second sketches. I think I just have a hard time visualizing the curve of the spine when trying to get the figure down. I've been reading Vilpplu and Hampton and they both say to get the gesture down quickly and I just can't seem to do it without it looking like a mound of chicken scratch. Any tips? Is it just an issue of needing more practice and speed will come with that, or are there any secret proportion rules in gesture that everyone's been hiding from me?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:53:28 2014 No.1780759 >>1780747 Hmmm those could work, you do not have any ideas for a program I could download and buy to use?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:57:28 2014 No.1780766 >>1780746 Thanks, I wasn't sure if I can ink over watercolor for fear pixels get into the nib and mess things up, but it could work.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 19:05:54 2014 No.1780774

>>1780759
Photoshop or Lightroom might have some functionality like that, but it's imperfect compared to just taking the photo properly to begin with. Getting a tripod is a lot cheaper and more reliable.

Trying to do a software fix, you're essentially using a program to take a best guess at what the original would look like if you correct for motion blur. The only information it has to work with is the blurred photo. The only way to get perfect information to begin with is at the source, not through editing the source.

Anonymous Tue Jul 15 19:20:39 2014 No.1780786

>>1780766
I'm not 100% it will work, but it's worth experimenting. Get a test page of paper that will hold watercolors, slap some paint on, let it dry, then see how inking feels. Try experimenting with different amounts of paint, different paper types, and different pens. I'd be very surprised if it's completely unfeasible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 19:34:09 2014 No.1780800 >>1780774 Thanks, anon. Your responses are appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 20:45:51 2014 No.1780863 >>1780669 Ok yeah, that's the thing is I have almost no experience freelancing. I just sent them an imgur album of all the characters I did for someone, which is the only experience I have... I probably just screwed myself

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 21:31:41 2014 No.1780895 other than /ic/ where should I ask for feedback on animations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 23:42:16 2014 No.1781055 >>1779595 Ive spent a lot of my time drawing bodies from my imagination and drawing real photos far FAR less am I wasting my time?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 00:41:05 2014 No.1781111 >>1779595 anyone got eytan zanas brushes? or know where to find em?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 01:10:05 2014 No.1781134 How keep motivated when all you draw is shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 01:27:57 2014 No.1781142 >>1781134 >all you draw is shit exactly

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 01:35:57 2014 No.1781147 File: 254 KB, 500x500, beautiful controller.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When do I have to throw away my kneadable eraser? Is there a way to wash it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 01:37:24 2014 No.1781148 >>1781134 YOLO, don't give a shit about what other people, and yourself think about your drawing, as long as you are drawing and practicing right

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 01:43:55 2014 No.1781153 File: 5 KB, 182x278, ewww.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1781147 When you can no longer go within 5 feet of the eraser because of the unbearable stench, it's time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 01:48:12 2014 No.1781154 >>1781153 Gotcha, then mine can still be used. It smells like old plastic, it's hard as fuck and breaks in crumbles when I use it, but it still erases.

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 02:07:32 2014 No.1781176
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What are some good exercises for drawing?
I've started drawing "seriously" I dunno around April or May and this is all I can really muster up.

Time is really no problem for me as I've got no job and all I really do is waste it by playing games, going to the gym, or go on /v/.
So what kind of daily exercises should I do to improve? I can't really draw objects nor people.

Pic related one of the things I drew. I'll post others if need be.
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Anonymous Wed Jul 16 02:24:21 2014 No.1781194

>>1781176
>>1781179
>>1781180

You're drawing with someone's else "handwriting". Go back to the basics, do figure studies with charcoal (trust me, even if you want to use a pencil, you can learn more with charcoal) and draw -what you see-, not what you think you see.

I dunno what to recommend you, Vilppu or Loomis may be good starters, but I prefer not recommending authors that I haven't studied completely.

You don't have too many problems with your lines (no chicken scratches), but they're boring. I can tell that you have some ideas that you want to make, how about you try drawing them and get criticized? (after practicing human figure)
Post in the beginner thread and stylization general, they can give you critique on your work . Keep drawing, get criticized. work some more.

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 04:24:09 2014 No.1781257

Im pretty shitty still at drawing, could i learn drawing trough animating?

My end goal is to do animation for games, maybe some art as well. Should i jump straight into animation? Or make a whole lot of drawing first, and go trough all the villpu and loomis first?

Also any animation books or sites to reccomend?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 06:16:30 2014 No.1781316 Anyone know what is this manga name? It's not "operation" I tried google it and tried reserve search. I'm planning to study it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 06:17:19 2014 No.1781318 File: 80 KB, 483x700, tumblr_li53hdmuYC1qdeaa2o1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone know what is this manga name? It's not "operation" I tried google it and tried reserve search. I'm planning to study it. (shit forgot pic)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 06:30:13 2014 No.1781324 >>1781318 it's called 'onara ai'

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 07:01:50 2014 No.1781357 >>1781324 Don't want to sound like an ungrateful fuck, but google gives me nothing when I type this name.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 09:13:06 2014 No.1781457 What's a good brand of fineliner?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 09:30:33 2014 No.1781467 File: 28 KB, 463x416, odoo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's a good blending exercise?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 09:41:45 2014 No.1781481 >>1781467 Draw a male back.

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 12:07:25 2014 No.1781584

Holy shit where do you start drawing?

Vilppu Drawing Manual starts with gesture but I can't into values so I try values but I can't into form so do I just have to draw four million still lives then draw tone on those four million still lives before I even attempt gesture?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 12:28:26 2014 No.1781604 Photoshop is only available on a subscription basis and I don't want to pirate. What other software is the best option for digital painting?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 12:37:07 2014 No.1781611 >>1781604 There's a thread on Manga Studio 5 going on now. Sounds pretty good and for a good price.

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 12:45:31 2014 No.1781616

important question for me.

how would I check, practise diffrent approaches to making things.. I mean I have some lineart and im not sure if I should make the details more based on line or do it more painterly, or make some part of drawing cell shaded and other painterly or everything painterly or start with some texture midtone. Its just overwhelming how many options there are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 12:49:25 2014 No.1781619 >>1781611 I always dismissed this one because it has Manga in the title, based on your recommendation I'll take a look at through thread though thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 13:05:23 2014 No.1781637 >>1780473 i tried making a business account, you register with your real info but im 80%sure the client wont be able to see your real name and stuff,just the business name which you can make up

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 13:46:09 2014 No.1781675

where do you learn how to do paintings of rooms? i'm looking at the corners of my living room rn, and i dont understand how the light is reflecting and bouncing off. i've tried googling but all i get are results about how to paint walls and actual rooms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 13:56:45 2014 No.1781684 >>1781637 Could someone conform this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 15:15:30 2014 No.1781740 File: 45 KB, 218x325, fat woman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fat, how does it work? most people say "just add it on" but you got those weird variations of shapes on certain people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 17:08:55 2014 No.1781855 Is using grids in drawing bad.?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 17:09:22 2014 No.1781856 File: 65 KB, 722x923, 01 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What should i practice if i want to paint good still-lifes? I'm thinking proportions, but what more?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 17:12:55 2014 No.1781858 >>1781855 http://www.ctrlpaint.com/blog/on-cheating-rulers-grids-and-tracing

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 17:16:08 2014 No.1781862

>>1781856
>What should i practice if i want to paint good still-lifes?
>proportions
Your practice by painting still lifes. In fact, when working on your fundamentals, still lifes are often recommended. Your question doesn't make much sense from that viewpoint.

What you should be doing is tailoring your still lifes to focus on what you're weakest at in terms of fundamentals, but aim for the more basal skills first.

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/reintroducing-the-still-life
Link related. I'd look through the rest of the videos in the library to get a feel for what you should be studying and how you can approach it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 17:31:08 2014 No.1781880 File: 101 KB, 640x496, beach.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I make sand? And wet sand? Also, point out the awfulness of this for me, please

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 17:57:49 2014 No.1781913

>>1781880
Use references. Pay attention to how the texture of sand differs from surrounding textures. How does the texture change when wet? What kinds of forms do you see for dry sand? What about wet sand? How does the color temperature of sand change when wet?

Here's another tip: Wet sand is going to have more specular reflections. It's not going to be super evident from all angles and lighting scenarios, but its there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 18:02:24 2014 No.1781920 >>1781740 just like tits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 18:02:44 2014 No.1781923 File: 990 KB, 2592x1456, 63e8d8b6-3fde-4110-a8bd-aa9691448.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does /ic/ like graffiti?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 18:06:37 2014 No.1781928 >>1781923 /ic/ likes good art. too bad most graffiti is shit art, shitt messages, shitty tags, vandalism, etc. like the thing you posted. it looks like shit. you cant even into calligraphy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 18:18:43 2014 No.1781954 File: 131 KB, 800x600, 0716141757b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dynamic sketch anon here, I took some advice from the last thread, and was wondering how my forms were looking now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 21:05:51 2014 No.1782130 >>1781740 Everyone stores fat differently and how and where it's stored is mostly genetic. Do more studies of fat people, google BBWs and such.

Anonymous Wed Jul 16 22:14:26 2014 No.1782172

I just got my first graphics tablet today. I guess I didn't realize how much of a difference it would be from paper. Are there any good exercises to get used to drawing with it? Just normal drawing exercises? I feel like i've never picked up a pencil in my life after using that thing for an hour

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 22:18:00 2014 No.1782175 >>1782130 they don't even need to be fat people. most people have some fat, especially women. women also seem to be more varied in how it's stored.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 00:50:51 2014 No.1782280

>>1781194
Sorry, about the late response.

Can you elaborate on what you mean when you said "Someone else's handwriting" Don't think I've heard that before.
Is it because my drawings have no consistency?

Also how much of a difference does working with charcoal pencils make compared to regular pencils.
I always kinda shy away from them because my hand usually brushes off on it and it smudges a lot.

Also, it seems like you had a full analysis of me, about the ideas thing I mean. I take it you did something similar?

Anyway, thanks for the tips I'll try posting in the beginner threads and ask about what I can improve on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 01:04:49 2014 No.1782287 File: 17 KB, 313x286, 1311_8JKwYvQb-so.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does fap affect art ability?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 01:05:57 2014 No.1782288 >>1782287 I haven't heard of any scientific studies on the matter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 01:27:52 2014 No.1782299 >>1782287 No, but it does affect other things such as motivation. Go search up the symptoms of masturbation or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 02:51:12 2014 No.1782334 How do I practice eyes? I'm kind of drawing random looking eyes at the moment at different angles. From realistic to anime eyes. I'm not sure if I'm grinding efficiently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 03:11:22 2014 No.1782345 >>1782334 Draw eyes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 03:14:36 2014 No.1782350 >>1782345 Easy. Thanks. Now I know I'm on the right track

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 03:29:57 2014 No.1782359

>>1782334
Don't draw eyes, draw faces, heads.
Eyes are part of a bigger structure and you must understand it as such.
If you keep drawing them alone, your art will become animu.

But yeah, if you have problem with a certain element, grab an orange, and peel a slit of it until you get an eyeball.
Draw that in various positions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 05:11:26 2014 No.1782435 I'm a absolute beginner to painting. What's the best way to start? I use SAI so recommend ctrl+paint won't work for me.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 05:38:26 2014 No.1782460

>>1782435
By playing around with the program. Finding out what all the buttons and sliders do and how you can use it to your advantage. Ctrl+Paint still has nice information on where you could take a look, at brush settings and layer settings and such. Besides that they also seem to talk a bit about form, perspective, etc. which can be used with pretty much any medium.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 06:39:57 2014 No.1782491 >>1781584 pls respond

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 06:53:48 2014 No.1782493 >>1781318 Someone please?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 07:03:16 2014 No.1782498 I'm new to digital. What's the best tutorial to teach me to the very basic of photoshop?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 07:50:39 2014 No.1782516 >>1782498 ctrl paint

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 08:06:25 2014 No.1782524 How the fuck do you draw eyebrows?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 08:16:31 2014 No.1782528 >>1782524 What style are you drawing in or are you talking about shape? because if you are just follow the curve of the brow bone and then change slightly depending on the type you want ie bushy, plucked ect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 08:35:10 2014 No.1782541 >>1782528 >What style are you drawing in semi-realistic it's not as simple as drawing a single line but not as accurate as drawing every single hair. that's kinda what i am going for.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 09:19:12 2014 No.1782555
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>>1779595
I have been doing stencils for a few years now, and am satisfied with my skills. However, stenciling is mostly tracing and I want to do something with more creative freedom. What art-form should I practice?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 09:26:58 2014 No.1782560 How do I avoid smudging charcoal when I close the sketch notebook?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 09:52:44 2014 No.1782575 >>1782560 make sure all loose dust is gone then spray with hairspray if you a cheap piece of shit or you can buy the real stuff. try to avoid the pages rubbing together so get book tightly bound that can't move up and down too much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 12:42:28 2014 No.1782720 >>1782555 there's a lot of ways to go about that. have you tried a more graphic design approach? you can simplify/play your forms and make something new of it. play with texture too. do whatever comes to mind. mixed media maybe?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 12:56:51 2014 No.1782733 I want to know /ic/'s opinion on self-teaching. Can I become a good artist without formal education? Is there anyone here that's become a good artist through self-teaching?

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 13:51:43 2014 No.1782773

>>1782733
heck yes, there's a lot of proof of that even around here.
literally dozens of industry pros were self-taught even at a later age, so it's not like they're all prodigies either.

the question really comes down to how much time and energy you have to spare. it's all really in your diligence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 13:59:38 2014 No.1782782 I have problems drawing heads on bodies. How do I resolve this?

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:02:45 2014 No.1782784

>>1782541
>not as accurate as drawing every single hair
Nobody draws every single hair. That always looks bad.

Just simplify the eyebrow into value shapes (you need to observe a model for this). Paint those shapes with the correct value, and the correct edges all the way around. If you make the edges too hard, or the value too dark, or the value too uniform, it won't look convincing. Just look up the myriad of excellent portrait painters out there and copy what they do. There's already a lot of simplification involved, but you could then simplify even further to suit your needs.

I'm also working under the assumption that you're depicting the form of the top of the eye socket correctly. If not that could be causing you some problems.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:09:11 2014 No.1782787

>>1781584
Just start wherever. You learn by doing - don't stress what you can't do yet because no matter where you start it will be hard and it will look like shit.

If you want to get super theoretical and go in order of developing skills:
1. Line control. Watch this video and do the entire homework assignment exactly as instructed. No skipping shit. If your results are bad, do it all again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

2. Value scale exercises. Like this here:
>>1772903

3. Shape copying. Learning to see and copy shapes and lines accurately. Books like Drawing Made Easy help get you started. Copying Bargue plates (read the book to learn the proper approach) is the most difficult but optimal. Once you can apply those principals to photos and still lifes, then chances are you can observe accurately.

4. Perspective and basic forms. Perspective Made Easy is a good start

5. Constructing complex forms from basic forms

6. For figure drawing, this is where you can start with things like Vilppu. Technically gesture can be learned before perspective and forms, but I find it easier to understand gestures in 3D space if I already understand 3D space. The rest of his book tackles handling the figure in a logical order, so I won't repeat it here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:21:25 2014 No.1782793 >>1782784 >Just simplify the eyebrow into value shapes you have an example of this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:44:52 2014 No.1782813 File: 619 KB, 983x1184, eyebrow shapes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1782793 I made a quick example. Not saying that all the shapes are necessarily perfect, but there are many ways to subdivide and/or simplify what's present.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:45:13 2014 No.1782815 How do I think of a pseudonym? Alternatively, please think of a pseudonym for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:49:30 2014 No.1782817 >>1782815 cumguzzler69 Who has pseudonyms you like? Are they a mixture of real words, an obscure word, or gibberish? If it's gibberish is it derived from another language? Is it derived from their first/last name?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 14:52:10 2014 No.1782820 >>1782813 stop writing with your tablet and use the text box instead i cant read your shitty hand writing

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 15:00:41 2014 No.1782831

I'm very much a beginner, but I'd like to make major improvements over this summer... Major. Improvements. Does anyone feel like talking about their art process and what exactly you take into account with certain pieces? Also, tell me what you'd do differently if you had to start over your art career from square one.. so-to-speak. Ex. Focus more on anatomy? Perspective? Draw from life? Color theory... etc

>>1782820
That's not even hard to read, m8

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 15:16:45 2014 No.1782854

>>1782831
A lot of people will tell you different things about what they'd do differently. In general it can be summarized as 'more targeted learning', and more drawing from imagination.

Targeted learning meaning to address your weak areas, but with a focus on the more basal skills first. Like for example you'd want to learn the major masses of the body before worrying about individual muscles, or you'd want to learn value before learning about color.

Drawing from imagination can be used as a tool to see what you know, and to develop your creative skills, and to reinforce what you just learned in a study. If you do a study and don't immediately try to apply it somewhere else, you won't retain as much. In that line of thought it can also be helpful to take notes on your studies as you learn. What worked, what didn't, and why?

In short, apply yourself, think critically with everything you do, and stay out of your comfort zone. As long as those are in place you will see improvement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 17:08:08 2014 No.1782962 >>1780786 I ttied it and it looks decent!

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 17:30:16 2014 No.1782980

>>1782815
Think of when someone ask you its meaning. Will you want to say "no, it's just a cool word I came up with"? It should mean something, at least for you.

I (not like I'm a known artist, or anything) use my second name, since it seems to be uncommon, and everyone, even if I don't know them, tend to call me by it instead of by my first name

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 17:49:17 2014 No.1783002

This is more a mental thing than an art thing,
how can I slow down/focus? I never finish anything, and after about 15 minutes of drawing, whether a study or from imagination, I lose focus and draw mindlessly and quickly/carelessly
It's really starting to hold me back so if anyone has any tips i'd really appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 18:20:27 2014 No.1783036 >>1781457 bump for answer.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 20:00:00 2014 No.1783131

>>1783002
Have you tried that one web app (tomatoes/pomodoro technique?) where you basically do 25 timed minutes of work, followed by a timed 5 minute break, etc. I think there might be long breaks in there too. Basically when the timer is running, you force yourself to do work nonstop until it's break time. The external limiter can be helpful to some.

You could also just try disconnecting the internet, and clearing your space + computer of all distractions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 20:07:48 2014 No.1783136 File: 162 KB, 720x1234, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did I get my landmarks correct? (I overlapped male and female body)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 20:29:13 2014 No.1783146 >decide to take a break from drawings for play some gaymes >dying in every single game I used to play >even the ones I was good >keep trying for hours >keep dying like a kid I guess it's a sign. How I detach of video games?

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 21:01:36 2014 No.1783163

>>1783146
i played online games for too many years .
Stopped when i realized how big of an obstacle they were and if i kept playing them id never get good at anything.
uninstall them, even sell your accounts if its worth anything. best decision ive ever taken.
goodluck

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 21:46:08 2014 No.1783202 >>1783131 I'll try that, thanks man

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 22:13:48 2014 No.1783215 >>1783146 Become a cynic like me and have high standards for them. I had a, "if it doesn't play like dark souls, drop it" policy. Being tremendously frugal and having the moral superiority to reject pirating helped too.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 22:27:59 2014 No.1783223

I cant draw the mouth for the god damn life of me. I mean the front view, sure I can do. But side angles and 3/4 angles and everything in between I just dont understand the curvature and how to make it 3 Dimensional, anyone have any tips? Im pretty good with the head shape but as soon as I add the mouth (and nose occasionally) it all gets fucked.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 22:29:38 2014 No.1783224 >>1783163 >tfw runescape stole your childhood

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 23:02:41 2014 No.1783247 >>1783136 Are you using a book for reference / instruction?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 23:05:53 2014 No.1783252 When did digital art start becoming good? At what version of photoshop/whatever did expert digital painting become possible and more practical than traditional methods? Anyone here from the glory days? What was it like?

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 23:11:26 2014 No.1783257

>>1783223
Draw 5 pages of mouths, straight ahead, no structure, just pure oberservation and from many different angles. This can be from videos, people in your classroom, etc.
Then do some structure studies, a few pages worth of hampton-esque structure, or anything using basic forms (not shapes). Draw through the forms.
Try drawing mouths from memory and more polished pieces as you do these studies, just a few here and there. Use them as guides for what you need to work on

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 23:28:02 2014 No.1783270 >>1783247 I'm looking at michael hampton's diagrams

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 23:48:36 2014 No.1783280
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>>1779595
Rather than make a tablet thread, I'll post this here.
Huion is releasing a new cintiq alternative in a few weeks, it's price isn't final and the first 100 preorders supposedly come with gifts and $100 discount. I'm sharing because it looks awesome, IPS 1080p 21.5'.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00L9QN3LW/

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 23:56:42 2014 No.1783282

>>1779883
>how much is overcharging?
More than people will pay.
>how much is undercharging?
Less than people will pay.

Keep in mind sometimes people avoid buying something because the price is too low. Like a low price will indicate that the product is worthless. It's not just an art thing. I know people who sell PDFs of books and things, and they'll get more downloads if they charge a dollar than if the book is free. People are weird.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 00:13:47 2014 No.1783289

>>1783282
no.

overcharging is when the benefit of charging more per unit is overcome by the loss of demand caused by the unit price being too high for the consumers. unless you are selling a 'prestige product' and you think overcharging will in fact increase demand. usually you do that for something with a high production cost which limits the amount of units you can produce, cognac being an example.

so,

if you sell 100 pictures or w.e. at $5 you make $500
but if you could of sold 50 pictures for $20 you would make $1000.

so even if your charging more than what half of your consumer base would pay you still make more money.

now for a prestige product you might sell 2 pictures at idk $400 which would be less than if you sold at $20 but the production cost is lower. but even if you decided to sell at $400 you need better production and that costs a ton more if you become established you might end up selling 10 pictures at $400 next time and so on. it's a bit of a gamble.

undercharging is the opposite, where you could maybe sell 400 pictures for $1 and get $400 but that's less than you could of made and might barely pay for the production costs.

you can also create demand easily by lowering the price.

so at first charge what you think is way too much. if you don't make enough money lower the cost, you might get a bump in sales and you will probably make more overall.

so start by charging 50% over production cost, which if you live in your parents house and don't pay bills and stuff is just your salary which should probably be somewhere around minimum wage if your not uber confident in your stuff.

this all assumes there is some demand of course :p

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 01:19:08 2014 No.1783342
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There's this picture I saw posted here and I really liked it but I didn't save it. It's not a drawing, surprisingly, it's a chart about improvement and it shows three lines: one about our perception, another one about our actual skill, and a last one that I can't remember. The thing is: I really want to save that pic this time, and I want to see what was the last line, AND I want to show the pic to someone too. So I really need it, right now. Does anyone have it? I'll greatly appreciate it if you do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 01:26:11 2014 No.1783344 I have commissions for tattoos I need to complete I have two weeks to do three aside from my other irregular work but I've got this anxiety I can't get over every time I pick up the pencil? How do I deal?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 01:44:05 2014 No.1783355 File: 61 KB, 425x425, 1339519935793.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is my first time I'm visiting 4chan, and I don't see a single personal thread here. Can I create one, or there is some kind of rule or whatever?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:01:26 2014 No.1783377

>>1783355

Post in an appropriate thread if you can. We've got generals for drawing, sketchbooks, beginners, etc. check the catalog.

And please, for the love of god, don't post anime drawings and say "it's the first time I'm drawing in five years, do I have potential?"

Also, read the sticky if you haven't already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:20:27 2014 No.1783382 >>1783342 Anyone?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:28:54 2014 No.1783383

>>1783355
I've seen people start their own threads asking for crit, and posting a whole bunch of finished work instead of the works in progress people normally post in the different draw threads, so if your stuff is interesting enough and if you have enough of it I don't see why it would be a problem.

>>1783377 Has a very good point though. None of that shit please.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:37:47 2014 No.1783385 Why is it necessary to draw nudes in order to improve. Also, how does gesture drawing help overall drawing skill? I'm not uncomfortable with it, I'd just like to know the reasoning.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:42:18 2014 No.1783387
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I'm growing crystals as a hobby and I am planning to grow them on plastic, plexiglas or maybe even wood to hang it up like a painting.
Here's my problem: I need to make sure they don't fall off. would hairspray do the trick?
again, I am growing them on the surface, not glueing them on.
I'd just need some kind of thin layer as protection.
any ideas?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:45:14 2014 No.1783388

>>1783382
Google Sycra - Art Block or something and it should be in the video

>>1783385
Its not necessary. it just plays a part in learning how to draw the human figure, /ic/ generally recommends to read books (Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton etc) and draw from photo reference and life to improve your people-drawing ability.

If you just copy nudes all day you won't learn shit.

As for gesture drawing, it doesn't. Its not some magical fix-all drill, its for keeping energy and movement in your drawing, mostly in regards to poses.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:47:09 2014 No.1783391

>>1783388
Not him, but I was wondering what is a good way to practice gesture drawing?

Usually for my figures I never really do any sort of construction beforehand, I just jump right in and start drawing the figure, what is a good way to get out of this habit?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 02:53:57 2014 No.1783393

>>1783391
Go on some figure drawing website and set the timed poses to something like 5minutes, take your time and carefully analyze what the motion shown is like, and try replicate that in an abstract way. If it makes sense to you then its fine, click to the next photo and continue. Don't go for super duper quick 30 seconds poses all the time.

>>what is a good way to get out of this habit?
Uh, tell yourself not to? Maybe try poses which aren't flat, forcing you to build it up with forms. Practice constructing smaller simpler objects if you can't handle humans yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 03:17:38 2014 No.1783397 >>1783388 >If you just copy nudes all day you won't learn shit. That may be true if you fail to turn your brain on and analyze what you're drawing

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 03:29:25 2014 No.1783400 >>1783397 >fail to turn your brain on and analyze what you're drawing Which is what I heavily implied with the words >just and >copy

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 08:02:15 2014 No.1783502

I have some pain in my right shoulder, been drawing a lot these past few days. The funny thing is that I'm a lefty, and I don't reacll using my right hand to lift something heavy or anything special. Is this normal? Is the pain caused from drawing too much or... what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 09:01:37 2014 No.1783536 >>1782854 Thanks, mate. Very much appreciated.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 09:57:28 2014 No.1783565
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What's your opinion for listening to music while drawing?
Is it bad or a good idea? What type of music do you listen to while drawing?
Also, should beginners listen to music to ease the possible boredom of fundamental exercises?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:02:27 2014 No.1783635 hey guys, anyone know how to plot a diagonal object in lets say 2 point perspective, i cnt seem to find anything on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:31:59 2014 No.1783665 >realise im shit what do? regress to a depressed alcoholic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:50:41 2014 No.1783685 How do you get clean lineart, particularly in PS? I have tried doing a base sketch and then doing the lineart on top on a new layer using a brush, but it always comes out poorly. Is using the pen tool and stroking the best method?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:56:03 2014 No.1783688 >>1783665 yes, once it gets a bit hard you just kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:56:04 2014 No.1783690 File: 305 KB, 1280x1942, 0001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] To reach this level all I have to do is keep drawing loomis, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:56:17 2014 No.1783692 >>1783665 Pretty much. Drugs are also a viable option.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 11:57:06 2014 No.1783693 >>1783685 post example

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 12:19:51 2014 No.1783720
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>>1783693

Well I'm on my phone so I can't post any of mine, but an example of what I mean by good lineart would be this. Mine tends to come out scratchier and messier. I know I'm chicken scratching but even when i force myself to draw clean lines they still look like shit. Gaps form between the lines and them trying to fill them looks terrible. Colouring and shading literally takes 20% of the time of just the refining of the linework for me because I'm constantly undoing and redoing lines.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 12:29:35 2014 No.1783732
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There's any loomis book where he teaches to draw the front view THIS detailed? I tried fun with a pencil drawing the heads and hands but I didn't see any detailed way to draw the front view. The more detailed, easier for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 13:35:57 2014 No.1783777 Are there any good yt vids about 1,2, and 3 point perspective? The ones I've seen are supposedly bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 13:42:55 2014 No.1783783 Hey, /ic/. I dont have a lot of experience with Illustrator. How do I use these? Thanks. http://sembetu.deviantart.com/art/halftone-madness-55822519

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 14:23:06 2014 No.1783805 >>1783388 Thanks a lot Anon, it was on that video.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 14:27:36 2014 No.1783814 >>1779595 When I start a drawing and make mistakes should I finish it, no matter how bad it's going to turn out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 14:38:45 2014 No.1783823 I know what you are going to say about it but what's the best book (or video) to start learn anatomy?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:01:04 2014 No.1783841

>>1783502
If it's in the shoulder opposite your drawing arm, then it isn't from drawing. Unless of course you lean on that elbow during the entire time you draw, pushing the shoulder upwards.

You probably slept on it funny. Just do stretches, and consider weight lifting.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:03:09 2014 No.1783842

>>1783565
As long as listening to music doesn't distract you from critically thinking as you work, then go for it. I've heard of a lot of people that don't listen to anything during the more mentally rigorous parts of picture making, and then listen to music/watch tv while doing the mundane rendering and polishing.

Try drawing with music and without. Try lots of different types of music. Do you in general draw better under certain conditions? If so, keep drawing under those conditions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:04:11 2014 No.1783844 >>1783635 What do you mean by a diagonal object? Draw a diagram to elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:05:12 2014 No.1783846 >>1783690 Of course not.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:07:02 2014 No.1783848

>>1783732
The front view is the easiest view, and you should be able to extrapolate what landmarks he uses both from the shown diagrams and the text.

You could also look up Proko's head drawing videos on youtube. For the head he uses Loomis's construction, and he does have a dedicated video for the front view.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:08:21 2014 No.1783850 >>1783777 Norling's Perspective Made Easy will teach you what you need (though it's a book). There's probably a few good videos that you could purchase/pirate, but I don't know of any off the top of my head. I haven't seen any solid ones on youtube.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:10:49 2014 No.1783854

>>1783823
What do you mean by anatomy? Figure drawing as a whole, or specific muscles? Vilppu fits the bill for both. Loomis is better for figure drawing than individual muscles. Hampton fits the bill for both IIRC. Bridgman fits the bill for both, though you will need some supplementary resources. Peck fits the the bill mostly for anatomy, not so much figure drawing.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:12:36 2014 No.1783856

>>1783814
If you see a problem, fix it. The sooner you fix it the better. You don't produce good work or learn anything by ignoring your mistakes. At the same time, you shouldn't be trying to make something that's absolutely perfect in every regard if it keeps you from working on many pieces. You learn more by going through many bad drawings instead of 1 'good' drawing in that same amount of time.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:25:14 2014 No.1783866

>>1781176
>>1781179
>>1781180
Its definitely not bad as a start. You need to work on your feminine a bit. You already have a pretty good start on dynamic poses. If you can upgrade to a larger surface to draw on.
Also you should trace a few things, don't post them up of course but just so you can get a good feel on what it takes to draw in a style you are comfortable with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 16:18:44 2014 No.1783907 >>1783854 I want to draw the whole body and learn the basic for it. Example of "basic"; For draw a head you need a ball. See what I mean?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 16:45:06 2014 No.1783923

>>1783907
Then the ones I listed that emphasizes the figure overall will work (Loomis, Bridgman, Hampton, Vilppu). Vilppu is probably the most thorough when introducing spherical and box forms, then applying those to the figure. Of course, if your knowledge of perspective is lacking I'd focus on that first. And if you have trouble drawing and rotating basic forms in perspective correctly, I'd focus on that before approaching the figure. It'll make your life so much easier.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 16:53:49 2014 No.1783929 >>1783923 Alright anon. Then what's a good book to learn perspective then? "perspective made easy" didn't work for me.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 17:23:31 2014 No.1783957

>>1783929
That's honestly one of the easier resources on perspective. Did you read everything thoroughly, and re-read sections you were confused about. Did you do all the exercises? Did you recreate the examples shown?

Loomis's Successful Drawing also covers perspective. There's also a few resources by Scott Robertson (a book and a few videos IIRC).

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 17:31:47 2014 No.1783961

>>1783957
I think I'm just plain dumb because the book don't have enough figures to guide me I'm bad with words. But I'm going to re-read it.

In any cause already have successful drawing here and few Scott Robertson videos here.

Thank you. Hopefully Sunday will be able to draw my first drawings using perspective

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 17:46:00 2014 No.1783968 if i start with one hue for each thing on my painting and then when i think the form reads well i start adding diffrent hues, will it work ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 17:52:12 2014 No.1783973 What to do when you have no idea of what to draw?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 17:55:25 2014 No.1783974 >>1783973 Watch a movie everyone is talking about or listen to a music that cause "feels". Read a book if you are hardcore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 19:08:43 2014 No.1784003 How long do you guys draw for in a week? Does 2 hours a day sound good enough for, let's say, making aesthetically pleasing works in 3 years?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 19:37:26 2014 No.1784016

>>1784003
Depends on your starting point, what you mean by "aesthetically pleasing", and what you do when you draw. If you apply yourself, are constantly thinking critically , focus on your fundamentals, and target your weak areas, you'll improve the most efficiently.

So depending on your goals and what you do, you could reach your target faster or slower than planned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 19:41:14 2014 No.1784018 >>1784003 Depends. Weeks I feel like shit I usually spend two days without drawing. Then the rest of week I 8 hours every day. Weeks I'm "okay" I draw around 4-6 everyday.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 20:57:11 2014 No.1784046 File: 362 KB, 383x486, cover.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any of you have this book? Is it worth buying?

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 22:35:53 2014 No.1784091

I'm currently a NEET that recently decided I wanted to get good at drawing. I've seen Feng Zhus video telling you to learn perspective, anatomy, and colour.

http://youtu.be/7rI6q6bv7do?t=16m27s

But what he's said is quite broad, and I feel lost, not knowing where to start. Are there tutorials that will go quite in depth into learning fundamentals? I've checked out Glenn Vilppus website and he has an online course. I have a CGpeers account and I'm sure stuff like this must be online to pirate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:10:01 2014 No.1784105 File: 81 KB, 900x525, Untitled-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1783844 like this, i only know how to cheat it(badly) so i'd like to learn how to do it properly

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:11:51 2014 No.1784106 >>1784091 You need to know right now if it's concept art you want to do or illustration because the curriculum is different between the two. Regardless, read the fucking sticky.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:13:18 2014 No.1784107 >>1779595 How do I give enough fucks about my drawings to finish it and not do it sloppy?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:18:02 2014 No.1784111 >>1784105 soz for spelling, pretty tired

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:29:18 2014 No.1784115

>>1784105
So you mean a rotated object, not a diagonal object. As a box rotates, it's vanishing points move along the horizon. 2pt perspective works for objects aligned to a grid. Any object that isn't aligned with this grid has it's own unique vanishing points.

If you locate the station point from the first box, any pair of vanishing points will meet the station point at a right angle. Using your original station point as a guide, you can find the two new vanishing points for your rotated object accurately, without running the risk of inaccurate lens distortion.

If this doesn't make too much sense, take another read of Perspective Made Easy. Early on he covers the station point and how rotating a box moves the vanishing points.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:32:27 2014 No.1784116 >>1784115 awesome thanks!!

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 00:48:17 2014 No.1784154

>>1783850
I have Perspective Drawing Handbook by Joseph D Amelio, but Perspective Made Easy, looks,well, easier haha

I don't know if the other book is any good anyway.

Also, if anyone thinks of any good vids on perspective, let me know pls. I'll read the book, but I feel like I learn better from videos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 00:57:14 2014 No.1784162 I need good exercises

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:01:07 2014 No.1784166 what are some daily excercises/practices you guys do. I do at least a 30 min session on pixel lovely every day, but that only really covers a little bit of what i need to know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:12:57 2014 No.1784173 How does one learn "to see"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:18:50 2014 No.1784175 >>1784173 Open your eyes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:21:08 2014 No.1784176 Is there any way to rotate the flat oil brush in Painter? The Bamboo Fun does not support pen rotation. I'd like it do go in the direction of my brush stroke. I haven't been able to do anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:22:59 2014 No.1784177 >>1784175 Oh lol. No wonder I kept running int things

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 02:08:08 2014 No.1784209 I would like to know the name of a software if anyone can help, it was an ultra realistic painter, using 3d fluids I think, it was posted here once but didn't even try to download it cause my pc was made of wood. anynoe have an idea ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 02:18:44 2014 No.1784212 I'm doing gesture drawing and everything I do turns out odd. The proportions are wrong, I can't tell which way the subject is facing, ect. Do I have to 'learn' how to draw gestures or do I just keep doing it to get better?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 02:36:30 2014 No.1784222 >>1784212 Yes, you should learn the proportions, landmarks and how to construct the figure

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 03:19:47 2014 No.1784242

I'm the same ICantFeelTheFormfag from the last time.
I think I understand it tho, and some shapes as cilinders, cubes, prisms, cones, etc, I think I can feel them, totally, how to move into more difficult ones? While trying to design vehicles I have a really bad time since I can't feel their form.
Perspective is not a problem tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 03:29:48 2014 No.1784251 >>1784209 I think you mean Verve just google "Verve Painter" and you should find it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 03:34:13 2014 No.1784254 >>1784251 yes, holy shit, it just looks amazing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 03:37:39 2014 No.1784256 >>1784251 forgot the thanks, thank you anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 04:38:49 2014 No.1784279 >>1783690 The lighting on his hands seems off

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 06:48:11 2014 No.1784329 Do people on /ic/ actually care about the "mullins" scandal or is everyone just trolling?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 06:54:23 2014 No.1784333 How are those manikin models? Do they really help with drawing the figure? I do know some are cheap and aren't as articulate as some others

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 06:57:44 2014 No.1784335 >>1784333 yes they're useful. the joints form ellipses you can use for fore-shortening and they're also good for lighting the big simple masses you build features on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 06:58:50 2014 No.1784337 >>1784335 Thanks

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 12:53:39 2014 No.1784509

>>1784242
Construction. Use basic forms as your guideposts to construct complex forms. If you want a basic primer, go here:
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/constructive-form-pt-1
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/constructive-form-pt-1-5
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/constructive-form-pt-2

If you want something in more grueling detail, look into something like Scott Robertson's DVDs or his newest book - especially if you want to draw vehicles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 12:55:32 2014 No.1784514 >>1784329 Most are trolling, but there's always a few that are genuinely retarded. The best trolls are indiscernible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 13:33:59 2014 No.1784549 Anybody know any alternative to Loomis "Fun with a Pencil?"

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 13:46:53 2014 No.1784561

>>1784549
loomis- drawing the head and hands
loomis- figure drawing for all it's worth

after these two you should be able to construct complete male and females in every pose you can imagine

you don't really need fun with a pencil unless you are a complete beginner and need confidence, or have yet to understand that drawing is a skill than can be improved with practice and not a "talent".

if that does describe you, try "drawing on the right side of the brain" by Betty something. I haven't actually seen it but it does get rave reviews.

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 15:42:12 2014 No.1784623
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What should i do if i want to git gud fast?
Right now i read books and do entire sheets with nothing but practice in doing circles and straight lines.
Of course i also do practices to apply what i've learned.
I don't mind it being difficult or hard, i like challenges and love suffering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:04:44 2014 No.1784625 >>1784623 Draw a lot. Easier said than done I know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:13:49 2014 No.1784632 >those days where everything looks like shit and you don't feel it at all How do you overcome this? Just wait it out?

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:23:53 2014 No.1784644
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Is it normal for someone to be really horrible at drawing certain things but to be good at drawing others?

Like someone who can draw people very well, but can't draw environments or someone who can draw mechs but can't draw animals.

Should an artist strive to be well-rounded from the start? Or Is there a point when this evens out?

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:39:19 2014 No.1784661

>>1784632
i just had a 2 (or more) weeks phase of this. All I drew was shit,most of it didnt go past thumbnailing process. Now in 3-4 days ive done 2 of my best paintings.
What i think worked for me: go out, get inspirated, try different workflows , experiment and have fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:40:35 2014 No.1784662 >>1784661 inspired kek*

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 17:03:00 2014 No.1784676

>>1784644
>Is it normal for someone to be really horrible at drawing certain things but to be good at drawing others?
Yes, if you only practice drawing 1 thing. The odds of this happening are higher if you don't know how to construct forms and extract useful information from references.

For the most part, a good artist should be able to draw anything he/she hasn't drawn before if provided with what that thing looks like from a front/side/top/bottom/back view. The rules for perspective and constructive form don't change.

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 17:14:32 2014 No.1784684

>>1784549
Fun With a Pencil teaches that you need to construct your subject out of 3D shapes or "forms" but it's kind of futile if you can't perceive these forms in your head. I would recommend the books Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson and Rapid Viz, they're loaded with exercises to help you not only draw what you see but to be able to visualize things in space. I would move on to Loomis, Hampton, Hogarth and Vilppu books once you can grasp these concepts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 17:50:11 2014 No.1784712 File: 58 KB, 300x400, The-Artist-s-Complete-Guide-to-Drawing-the-Head-9780823003594.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone this book? If yes do you mind of taking photos of the pages for me? I can't find it for download anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 18:18:10 2014 No.1784723 >>1784712 https://anonfiles com/file/d1a8126a6a24968f10fa6b08c824c118

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 18:22:53 2014 No.1784728 >>1784723 I also was going to upload it, but you were faster. >>1784712 learn how to pirate, m8.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 22:09:19 2014 No.1784949 I don't see the "shared folder thread" up (or whatever the name) can I have the mucha folder?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 23:30:17 2014 No.1784997 >>1779595 How do animators adjust to drawing in different styles? Is there a process where they get critiques from an animation director or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 00:34:24 2014 No.1785062 I'v lost my mojo, I haven't anything in a while, I feel like i'v always been decent at studies but have been struggling to draw from imagination. What drives you guys to keep drawing and what/who inspires you? 1/5

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 00:35:40 2014 No.1785064 File: 2.65 MB, 3240x4320, SAM_0412.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785062 forgot pic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 00:37:53 2014 No.1785066 File: 2.78 MB, 3240x4320, SAM_0411.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785062 2/5

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 00:39:05 2014 No.1785067 File: 2.76 MB, 3240x4320, SAM_0413.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785062 3/5

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 00:40:43 2014 No.1785068 File: 2.64 MB, 2592x1936, Picture 002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785062 4/5

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 00:43:11 2014 No.1785069 File: 2.72 MB, 1936x2592, Picture 010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785062 5/5 the last thing i drew from my imagination. Also i have always struggled to find my style/way/method of drawing that's personal to me.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 01:39:05 2014 No.1785096

>>1785062
Mojo..hmm. Well, we all have our own mojo coming from habit and schedule. Try drawing everyday first, don't worry about making good drawings or practicing, just have fun. Once you can draw everyday(consistently) for considerable amounts of time, then you can start being hard on yourself with how you spend your time. Another thing is to leave the drawing board when you still want to be there...so that you want to come back to it.

So whenever I'm out of the habit, I just make a small decision to draw everyday for even a small amount of time. It just becomes like brushing your teeth, then. Then once I can do this for a few days, or when I am ready or desire it, I start to learn and work on improvement.

Besides my own momentum keeping me going forward, being around other people(across the internet of course) practicing art keeps me going. Also, people like Android Jones and Craig Mullins that have been dedicated to their art over long periods of time inspire me as well.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 01:49:08 2014 No.1785108

>>1785096
Thanks i'll try that starting today. What to draw though? I sometime give up before i'v even started because i can't decide on what to draw.

I'v heard it's good to keep a calender and mark it everyday you do whatever it is that you're trying to create a habit of, you build up a chain and don't want to break the chain or you'll have to start all over again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 02:44:33 2014 No.1785142 File: 1.85 MB, 1936x2592, Picture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785108 Made a start, nothing amazing but it's been a while since i'v drawn anything. Going to try drawing and uploading one a day

>>	Scooby1961 Rmo7zH6AYs7 Sun Jul 20 03:00:09 2014 No.1785148 File: 46 KB, 241x289, 1404899353935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What type of pencil are you using? thats good

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:02:17 2014 No.1785150 could I please get some help on this? Also when the book mentions perspective grid is it referring to the general perspective set-up you would have in a picture (ex: 1pt, 2pt)?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:02:50 2014 No.1785151 File: 98 KB, 1000x1293, tilted planes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785150 pic

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 05:09:57 2014 No.1785177

>>1785151
can you please explain the mirror plane I have difficulty understanding and getting it correct. is it just another set of guidelines going ot the same vanishing point? I understand that it represents the center point, but I dont know how to place it correctly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 05:19:35 2014 No.1785183 >>1785148 Used a regular old 2B pencil

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 09:33:01 2014 No.1785275 Are there any good websites for critique? Ones that are more 'permanent' than /ic/ and have sketchbook areas?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 09:42:04 2014 No.1785282 >>1785275 conceptart.org permanoobs.org there's also one called something daggers, idr.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:48:56 2014 No.1785344
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What ball pen uses Scott in his Basic perspective video?

In his book How to Draw suggest using a ball pen, but all the ball pens I know don't seem suitable for drawing.

Also, what pen do you use for this kind of sketches where you draw grids and so?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:53:59 2014 No.1785348 File: 75 KB, 430x351, shot0002.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785344 The same for the pencil

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:51:43 2014 No.1785385 >>1784046 I guess no one has?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:24:41 2014 No.1785405 >>1785385 Have you ever tried to use Google* and look if it was posted somewhere? retardish hint: "sketching the basics koos eissen"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:14:38 2014 No.1785598 New >>1785597

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 07:08:55 2014 No.1786117

>>1782720
I love mixed media. I've tried stenciling flamable fluids on wood, and setting it on fire. There was a vague dark shape, but not enough to make out any figure. I also tried covering one layer of a multi-layered stencil with flammable fluid, so that the blue part of a stencil got sorched. The effect was nice.

There's also the effect of spraypaint on sand-paper, where the spayed parts lose texture and the unsprayed parts don't, and on that white light bubbly isolation material, in which case the spray paint eats through the white material. The effect is nice, and works great with rough single-layer works.

There's also the thing with sprayable glue and various powders.

I'll try to explore more with mixed media, thanks bro.

>>	dggg Tue Jul 22 07:25:24 2014 No.1786981 How do you turn a sketch in Photoshop into a lineart...Do you use the pentool or the brush...and if so what brush settings do you guys use.Thnx

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 10:45:41 2014 No.1787064 Would you recommend building up some skill on paper and then moving on to digital art or just going digital straight away?

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 16:47:54 2014 No.1788586

>>1779595
When is it a good time to start painting? I've been working on learning how to draw for the past few months and gone through loomis, Hampton, and some villpu but haven't done any painting. I wanted to know if it's a good time to start learning value and color. Also where is a good place to get started with painting (digital)?

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