Alternative Art/Stylization General

[Anonymous No.1755700]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"No matter how much you know of anatomy and the construction of the figure, you will not be able to draw figures form imagination until you can relate the different parts of the figure to a horizon."

Previous Thread: >>1750976

A general message to aspiring artists: "Lack of knowledge can be greater torture than the effort of acquiring it. When all is said and done, nature is your best instructor."

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "No fun allowed."

[Anonymous No.1755704]

>>1755700
Your Japanese animu tutorials website is in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.1755706]

>>1755704
Use Google translate.

[Anonymous No.1755709]

>>1755704
Go figure

[Anonymous No.1755738]

>>1755704
All the more motivation to go and study japanese.

[Anonymous No.1755740]

>>1755704
How ironic.

[Anonymous No.1755748]

>>1755704

[Anonymous No.1755751]

>>1755704
4chan is international

[Anonymous No.1755755]

What if I don't want to draw animu? What if I want to draw in a western style?

What can I do?

[Anonymous No.1755761]

>>1755704

[Anonymous No.1755765]

>>1755755
cal arts

[Anonymous No.1755781]

>>1755704

[Anonymous No.1755932]

>>1755755
Sound interesting, I saw a technique for a Celtic pattern in a documentary but that is all I know.

[Anonymous No.1756206]

>>1755700
Damn, these threads are really slowing down.

[Anonymous No.1756210]

light cruiser with incoming torpedoes on all sides

[Anonymous No.1756215]

>>1756210

>pedoes

You can say that again, yes

[Anonymous No.1756216]

>>1756210
*cough* more *cough*

[Anonymous No.1756236]

>>1756210
Is this allowed?

[Anonymous No.1756238]

>>1756236
/ic/ is a nsfw board.

[Anonymous No.1756239]

>>1756210
i think the vagina is placed in wrong place.

[Anonymous No.1756244]

>>1756239

It's called vagina/butthole creep, where they always have to be drawn in view no matter the pose or view point. It's the funniest phenomenon in drawn porn.

[Anonymous No.1756245]

>>1756244
I doubt that's the case. I would still be visible if drawn correctly.

[Anonymous No.1756275]

>>1756210
>>1756239

Yes, vaginas doesn't work like that. but this is hentai, so it doesn't follow anatomy or physics.

[Anonymous No.1756305]

>>1756244
I am drawing and consuming hentai on a daily basis and i have to tell you that if you have at least some taste this is not the case.
The first thing that got my attention and ruined everything was the vagina placemand and overall drawing of it, in manga they usually
play perspective tricks to make the penetration point the focal point, but this is not an excuse for wrong anatomy, you are basically saying
that if others make the same mistake as him its ok for him to do as well, if it is for stylistic purposes to make it look more appealing than
it has a point, but this vagina is anything but appealing.

[Anonymous No.1756350]

>>1756305

I don't know how you could have possibly perceived that comment as anything but deprecating. Thanks for the laugh though.

[Anonymous No.1756418]

>>1756210
Hello mags

[Anonymous No.1756511]

>>1756350

It's as if porn can't be tasteful.at all.

[Anonymous No.1756561]

Why is thread dead?

[Anonymous No.1756562]

[Anonymous No.1756563]

>>1756562

[Anonymous No.1756566]

>>1756563
Is it going to die?

[Anonymous No.1756567]

>>1756563

[Anonymous No.1756571]

>>1756566
it fucking better

[Anonymous No.1756573]

>>1756566
>>1756571
relax and post some art, friendo

[Anonymous No.1756579]

>>1756567
Reminds me of this

[Anonymous No.1756594]

>>1756579
is it going to die too?

[Anonymous No.1756605]

>>1756567
Very cute.

[Anonymous No.1756609]

>>1756594
God I hope so.

[Anonymous No.1756648]

trying to get back in the game after a long slumber

[Anonymous No.1756660]

'nother one

[Anonymous No.1756672]

bzz

[Anonymous No.1756690]

back after a coffee break

[Anonymous No.1756707]

this one is pretty awful, it seems it takes me longer to pick a pose than to actually draw it.

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what's going on here anyway? >>1755700
some sort of funeral?

[Anonymous No.1756709]

>>1756707
Looks like the start of some game of chinese whispers.

[Anonymous No.1756710]

>>1756709
but why are theyall wearing the same black dress?

[Anonymous No.1756714]

>>1756710
Uniform (minus the shoes and headscarf) for a school/orphanage in some islamic country?

[Anonymous No.1756718]

anyone knows kyle's tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1756721]

getting tired...

[Anonymous No.1756722]

>>1756718
Kairunoburogu

[Anonymous No.1756725]

>>1756722
thank you

[Anonymous No.1756727]

>>1756725
k

[Anonymous No.1756728]

>>1756727
k

[Anonymous No.1756741]

Hey guys uhh
Rate my sketches

[Anonymous No.1756742]

I just drew this. What do people think of it?

[Anonymous No.1756744]

What do you chaps think of this picture?

[Anonymous No.1756745]

>>1756741

[Anonymous No.1756747]

>>1756648
>>1756660
>>1756672
>>1756690
>>1756707

Could stand to have tighter linework in places

[Anonymous No.1756756]

>>1756745
;^)

[Anonymous No.1756878]

>>1756239
>>1756275
>>1756245
>>1756305
Is this less terrible? I just wanted to draw really fat pussy lips and I didn't realize how awkward it was that late at night.

>>1756216
I have other stuff but it's kinda old? So I don't think I should clutter a thread with it.

[Anonymous No.1756894]

>>1756878
yah butter.

[tumtumi No.1756908]

its in beta phase (lel)

can you spot mistakes ?

[tumtumi No.1756911]

>>1756908
I also finished my study.
yah the girl in skirt has badly done face.

I learned a bit about stuff.

[Anonymous No.1756915]

>>1756744
You're drawing too small, draw bigger, much bigger.

[Wat-Kun No.1756926]

>>1756908
I like this style a lot, those legs!

One thing, the guy on the far right looks like his hips start too high up, that might just be how the butt merges into his lower back, but it seems a bit off to me.
His torso seems a bit wide too, I'd cut it down by about a line's width.

[tumtumi No.1756933]

>>1756926
alrite will look up into his butt and torso.

[Anonymous No.1756934]

>>1756911
People who aren't white have hard to draw faces.

[Anonymous No.1756936]

>>1756934
To a lazy as shit amateur? Yeah, I guess.

[Anonymous No.1756937]

>>1756934

>Has never drawn black people.

Bigger lips, wider nose and you're pretty much there. Asians are pretty easy too.

[tumtumi No.1756938]

>>1756934
>>1756936
w-what do you guys mean ?

[Anonymous No.1756940]

>>1756741

Dis I like.

[Anonymous No.1756944]

>>1756940
silly ant, /ic/ is for kids.

[Wat-Kun No.1756972]

My 3d waifu, also how 2 draw legs?

[Anonymous No.1756976]

>>1756972

It looks like you're mistaking the fabric folds as her back which caused you draw her much more bulky than she really is. Her entire figure's off at this point. It's hard to tell with that tiny ref but the top of the left leg should also have a slight curve to it and in your version it's just straight up like a trunk so it looks very awkward given the direction of her pelvis. Eyes are a bit far apart and her trapezius is starting off a bit too high, either that or drawing it with a more inward curve would make it look less bulky. Try getting a more hi res ref next time.

[Wat-Kun No.1757076]

>>1756976
Looking any better?
cut off a bit of fat here and there.

[Anonymous No.1757082]

>>1757076
Eyes are too close to each other, I notice that you are referencing the head too closely if you want to stylize you should take into consideration the proportions of the whole head and how it would be affected according to the proportion of the eyes. Proportion is extremely important to get it right.

[Wat-Kun No.1757101]

>>1757082
Maybe I'm looking at it too closely but the separation between the eyes seems okay to me?

[Anonymous No.1757111]

>>1757101
NO

check your first post, that eyes were way much better, u cant put that animu sizes on real scale head.

[Anonymous No.1757128]

>>1757101
Have you tried flipping it horizontally?

[Anonymous No.1757147]

>>1757076
I like the first one, it looks more relaxed and soft

[Anonymous No.1757204]

Does Pokemon stuff count as anime/manga/cartooning?

[Anonymous No.1757210]

[Anonymous No.1757213]

>>1757204
Of course it does.

[Anonymous No.1757214]

>>1757213
Righto. Was working on this, just wanted to generally make it look more interesting. Just looks kind of bland right now. I'm aware the lack of background right now doesn't do it any justice.

[Anonymous No.1757280]

>>1757210
At first glance it looked pretty good, but upon closer inspection the neck is really long, her(?) trapezius muscles are quite large, and the eyes are positioned way too low and also lack depth.

Overall, I think the neck and head could/should be shifted a bit downward to match the positioning and placement of the torso. I would also say you're hiding hands, but the image lacks context so that can be overlooked for now.

[Anonymous No.1757325]

>>1757210
I don't like it at all, it's not because of a blatant technical mistake reather than the stylization choice.
Stylization is supposed to make characters better looking or more characteristic, your is just an uncanny
valley doll that carries nothing from the depicted character and would probably never recognise who she
was if it wasn't for the outfit and the filename.

[Anonymous No.1757339]

>>1757210
The sword is up to high, it should be by her waist and she looks to cute, Arya is supposed to be vicious or something like that.

[Anonymous No.1757346]

>>1756878
very nice
but yeah, pic related friend

[Anonymous No.1757351]

>>1756563
>>1756562
I feel like negative emotions dont show through the eyes well of the mini dear thing
example, the first pic on the left. Its apparent with body language that its afraid or nervous, but the face doesnt show it. And the tiny eyebrows cant be seen enough to make a difference.
though, it is quite adorable

[Anonymous No.1757407]

help

[Anonymous No.1757412]

>>1756878
You can't be serious

[Anonymous No.1757413]

>>1756747
i know, the last time i drew was like back in january or something, my hand is all jittery and stuff : (

[Anonymous No.1757417]

>>1757210
face is badly proportioned.
the eyeline is way too low.
i can imagine what you wanted to go for, but you did it wrong. if you want any semirealistic style, you can't have the eyeline that low.

what >>1757280 also leads back to the face being too low. even your EYEBROWS are below the middle of the face. you can't have that. it's way too much

[Anonymous No.1757445]

>>1757407
i am not sure if your drawings are in perspective. they appear to be, or atleast have the illusion that they are however they do NOT follow the vanishing point you set up. If they did you would only be able to see the top of their heads because perspective distortion would either make their bodies incredibly small or hide them completely.

[Anonymous No.1757460]

>>1757445
What are you talking about, look where his vp is and where the heads are, also they look up.

[swallow No.1757493]

>>1757214
Mmm, delicious values.

[Anonymous No.1757645]

I want to be the kyle

[Anonymous No.1757649]

>>1757645

set your bar higher kid

[Anonymous No.1757652]

>>1757645

what >>1757649 said

[Anonymous No.1757661]

>>1756660
lefty pls.

you must know that butts don't work that way.

[Anonymous No.1757662]

>>1756744

[Anonymous No.1757663]

I think I have a new favorite inking pen aah

[Anonymous No.1757672]

not quite done yet but yeah i'll probably look at how certain artists make this kind of thing tick when i'm done

[Anonymous No.1757674]

>>1757645
is that gills?

[Anonymous No.1757677]

>>1757661
seff gjor dem d

[Anonymous No.1757686]

>>1757674
>>1757649
>>1757652
git good is too vague

[Anonymous No.1757689]

>>1757672

Seriously, mate, you should take a step back and LOOK at your fucking abominations before you continue to polish countless turds. You're great at rendering and drawing muscles, but overall your shit looks horrifying. Get your shit together, man.

[Anonymous No.1757692]

>>1757672

You should try drawing men.

[Anonymous No.1757695]

>>1757689
these threads are not about improving.

[Anonymous No.1757698]

>>1757672
I think there's something wrong with the perspective of the arms and hands.

[Anonymous No.1757700]

>>1757672
hands are small and they don't seem to be grasping the hips tightly enough

[Anonymous No.1757704]

>>1757686

You have the values blocked in now blend the shit out of it

[Anonymous No.1757706]

>>1757695

They used to be

Be the change you want to see in these threads anon

[Anonymous No.1757707]

>>1757706
I am.
>every time

[Anonymous No.1757711]

>>1757695
>>1757707

Stop being butthurt over stylization threads, just because you know you can't earn money with your realism. Admit it, artists who draw shitty animu porn earn much more money by doing it than most people drawing realism ever will. It's sad, but true.

[Anonymous No.1757715]

>>1757711
no one wants to see realism

realism is boring and uninspired, at least animu can show off some creativity

[Anonymous No.1757717]

>>1757672
You could try lowering the hair line, raising the lips a bit, actually drawing lip detail (mouth looks too flat compared to everything else), and opening the eyes a smidgen

Mines shit sorry, but I think it would be better for you to submit sketches

[Anonymous No.1757829]

>>1757210
Bad proportions on the head, and it also looks like it's not in the right place. Like it looks too forward, like the base of her neck is on the back of her head. Try re-positioning it a bit.

[Anonymous No.1757880]

I am really insecure about what art style to adopt.
I don't like anime but seems to be the most rentable style.
What I really like is the flat western style but nobody but myself seems to like it.

Should I do what I dislike just because it prints money?

[Anonymous No.1757898]

>>1757880
Good artists are not bound by style, if you have a solid foundation you can do any style you want.
Also, style is not what gets the money, is your presence/popularity.
So become a skilled artist, draw what you like the way you like and advertise yourself.

[Anonymous No.1757918]

>>1757880
you don't adopt a style, it come about naturally

[Anonymous No.1757924]

>>1757880
do something else if you're focused on money

[Anonymous No.1757934]

How is it?

[Anonymous No.1757938]

How do you create this kind of color effect?

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=44155309

[Anonymous No.1757939]

>>1757938
fringe effect

[Anonymous No.1757944]

>>1757661
i know : (

>>1757677
what?

[Anonymous No.1757956]

>>1757898
>presence/popularity.
Ah... now I'm fucked.

>>1757918
I know but I don't think people likes mine as it is.

>>1757924
I tried but failed

[Anonymous No.1757961]

>>1757918
that's true, however, if you want to emulate a style different than "yours", you study the symbols, proportions, lines and rendering.
you get a style of your own as you work, but you can also force your way into acquiring different styles.

[Anonymous No.1758000]

>>1757493
Are they actually pretty alright?
In the scheme of things, I'm pretty new compared to most artists.

[Anonymous No.1758003]

>>1758000
your in the wrong thread if you want the truth

[Anonymous No.1758016]

>>1758003
Why's that?

[Anonymous No.1758090]

>>1757662
Why? Be more constructive with your criticism please.

[Anonymous No.1758095]

I just want to do good alternative art. I have no one to inspire me since its a new style so i dont really know how to get better.

[Anonymous No.1758098]

>>1758095
your work isn't all that interesting.

It doesn't move me, captures a "woah" moment, it's not visually appealing, doesn't make me think

[Anonymous No.1758101]

>>1758095
The woman does not stand out enough, she blends into the background so there is nothing about the image that captures your attention.

[Anonymous No.1758111]

changed the face proportions a bit. I still want to maintain a large forehead. I used color overlays on top of the gray this time.

[Anonymous No.1758121]

>>1758111
It's technically good as a stand alone piece, but if you were going for any kind of facial likelihood you didn't
catch it, she has a baby face and not in a good way, she literally looks like an overgrown infant.
I don't know what reference you use for her face, but if you are going to draw an already pretty young girl
and forced her anime proportions which will make her even more younger things like that will happen.
You can catch likelihood with even more simple stylization, like this example i searched fore arya drawings
and this one gives me a lot more likelihood than yours, even if yours is more detailed.

[Anonymous No.1758137]

still figuring out the perspective, can I get some advice on the bodies?

[Anonymous No.1758155]

>>1758137
clearly not how perspective works
why are feet receding when you already have a base for them to stand on? youre not following your guidelines man

[Anonymous No.1758174]

>>1758137
What he said >>1758155 .

There are plenty of examples of you not drawing forms, but a skewed flat cutout instead. You have guidelines, so use them. Modify them. Add to them if you have to.

Case in point, look at the girl on the left. Her raised thigh is coming forward, but it still looks to be contained within that thin rectangular prism that contains the rest of the body.

Instead of just having a base block, construct all of the major body masses from basic forms. 2 cylinders to make an arm. 2 boxes to make the torso. Cylinder for the neck. 2 cylinders to make a leg. a box for the head, a box for the hand, a box for the foot. Draw all of these forms in perspective. Once they're in place, convert them into the more complex but anatomically accurate forms.

[Anonymous No.1758186]

>>1758111
that's a weird face

looks like a doll

[Anonymous No.1758188]

Please critique.

[Anonymous No.1758207]

>>1756721
Lefty if this is you, please give up man, i know we said that anyone can improve, but please, just give up. It's already been like 5 years, just give up already.

[Anonymous No.1758228]

>>1758207
He is not that bad.

[Anonymous No.1758241]

Made a drawing for this thread.
I know I didn't pay attention to the anatomy,sorry.

[Anonymous No.1758243]

>>1758241
I've also just got the sketch and non colored phase,for those who don't like this coloring.

[Anonymous No.1758253]

>>1758207
Why should a hobbyist amateur give up on something he enjoys doing, regardless how good or bad he is at it? Seems to me that you have a pretty big problem with improvement as well and are just venting your anger and frustration here.

[Anonymous No.1758254]

>>1758243
>>1758241

why does she have only one leg?

[Anonymous No.1758255]

>>1757460
I guess they are fine then right? You are an idiot. If u don't have advice to what is wrong then why are you just disagreeing with someone else?

[Anonymous No.1758258]

>>1758254
Because that was meant for the perspective : completely one side vieuw and just her head moved.
But I didn't give much care about that because I wanted to practice drawing legs like this a bit.

[Anonymous No.1758259]

>>1758254
It Isn't really an excuse,but It at least explains why.

[Anonymous No.1758266]

>>1758121
I didn't use ref for the face. I should have though maybe then it wouldn't have ended up looking like a baby doll face

[Anonymous No.1758271]

help

[Anonymous No.1758276]

>>1758271
draw some real life metal similar to that and apply what you learn to it

should help a bit

[Anonymous No.1758278]

>>1758243
>>1758241
>>1758258
thats not how perspective works with the way her forms are layed out

[Anonymous No.1758280]

>>1758278
forgot this

[Anonymous No.1758289]

>>1758280
It Is,I know..
Sorry for It.
Thanks a ton for helping though.
I shouldn't ask for feedback when I'm doing something wrong like that well I could've done It right.
Hopefully senpai will give me a 2nd chance.

[Anonymous No.1758290]

>>1758280
Good drawing with the mouse by the way!

[Anonymous No.1758296]

>>1758280
Do you think this Is any better?

[Anonymous No.1758317]

>>1756878

Here is my take on it. The main problem I thought was that the top of the hips seemed to be going back but then the bottom was facing front, but you fixed that somewhat. There's still a bunch of problems with the lower half though, (in mine too most likely). You're clearly pretty good at drawing so you should be able to correct it all by looking up a bit of lower body construction, which would be more helpful to you than me pretending to know more than I actually know ;_;

Aside from that something I would personally recommend is trying to avoid having arms perpendicular to the camera. You can get away with one but when it's both it sorts of flattens your figure. even moving it back or forth slightly should help.

[Anonymous No.1758435]

>>1758174
Great advice, this really helped. Is it somewhat less wrong now?

[Anonymous No.1758454]

>>1758435
Still looks largely the same. The boxes used within the torso and the hips look like they were added after the fact, when they should be there first. For example, they fit too nicely into your established drawing, and the boxes have the wrong proportions as a result (your pelvis boxes are too narrow and aren't positioned where the pelvis is). Don't be fooled by what you've already put down, and instead try to build up everything from scratch.

Here's what you can do: buy a quality anime figurine, one with a standing pose where you can see most of the body from any angle and the proportions look like whatever style you're trying to emulate. Use that as a reference on your desk, and draw it from several different angles. The trick is to not just draw the contours, but to mentally break down the complex forms into it's simple base forms and draw that first. Once that's correct, refine it into the complex forms.

If you want to get really serious though, I'd recommend life drawing and studying your Vilppu, Hampton, Bridgman, etc. You have to know the real analogue very well and be very comfortable with drawing and rotating forms before you can do it proficiently in any number of styles.

[Anonymous No.1758547]

>>1758296
very nice, just keep at it
dont think in terms of an orthographic sense

think in terms of vanishing points in which
you place your objects at different distances, as they keep their forms consistent

dont rush this concept because this is just a matter of realization and just requires time to apply it

[Anonymous No.1758561]

>>1758547
Thank you very much!
I'll do my best!

[Anonymous No.1758598]

I've been doing 30 min studies to improve my lineart. Recently I'm trying to figure out a way to render chainmail more efficiently than drawing out thousands of circles, but I'm not sure its working

[Anonymous No.1758605]

>>1758598

It isn't. Looks like he is wearing a couple of potato sacks. Unfortunately something like chain mail requires you to draw all those damn squiggly lines unless you are able to just draw a couple and create the illusion of someone wearing mail, which would be the goal I guess.

[Anonymous No.1758608]

>>1758454
"if you really want to get serious", don't listen to that anon, he's full of shit. your drawing isn't perfect, but he's focusing on small mistakes and blows them out of proportion (pun intended).

[Anonymous No.1758612]

>>1758605

Draw the links in a few patches on the armor and detail the edges

[Anonymous No.1758626]

So, am I in a right-ish path or a very wrong one?

[Anonymous No.1758632]

>>1758608

[You're Mom No.1758638]

>>1758598
For a surface that calls for many near-uniform micro-repetitions or patterns making a custom brush is never a bad idea homey. I'm an amateur so naturally this hastily thrown together maille brush looks shitty but it should give you a general idea anyway my negro. No matter how good the brush is though you're probably going to want to understate that shit in parts (in particular in low-light areas for example) and then "pop that shit out" by giving it more detail in others my niggity wiggity biggity diggity.

[Anonymous No.1758647]

>>1758626
so wrong you should stop what you are doing

and give up all HOPE! now.

LOL jk, so far it looks good. Keep on going and show the mid and ending product

[Anonymous No.1758658]

Toaster girl.

[Anonymous No.1758678]

Both files were too big and I'm too lazy to split them. I'll paste an external link to some of my sketches from last month (yes, only the ones I consider 'decent', because I'm a cheating bastard). Warning: there's a lot of stuff that would make /ic/ hate me, such as
>lined paper
>pokemon and animu
>drawing with color pencils without reason at all
>closest thing to a study are random body parts I practice here and there, and I don't even use reference for those because I'm too lazy to do so
>last but not least, my awful skills at cropping scans

You can see the two collages here: http://imgur.com/sRNhSqg,WsmZwUF

Now, I have a question: am I not-shit enough to make commissions? (I won't do it on fucking lined paper, of course), and how much do people pay for something like this? should I make a Tumblr to get commissions there, even when I strongly dislike such place? is it difficult to someone with +150 watchers to get commissioned?

I'd really appreciate if you at least scroll through my sketches, dear d/ic/ks. Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.1758680]

>>1758678
$5 at most

[Anonymous No.1758783]

Opinions?

[ᚢᚾᛖᛗᛈᛚᛟᛃᛖᛞ(...) No.1758831]

>>1758783
Why? You ruined her.

[Anonymous No.1758858]

>>1758188
>>1758188

Please critique me.

[Anonymous No.1758861]

>>1758858
there's nothing to critique
it's just some ms paint shit with filters

[Anonymous No.1758862]

>>1758858
it needs more draven

[Anonymous No.1758883]

>>1755700
>>1755755

Hello draw friends.what resources would I need to accomplish art styles reminiscent of Kentaro Miura's Berserk?

In terms of proportion, face construction, anatomy etc.
Such as pic related.
I'm really a sucker for his art style.
Heavily detailed male faces, at least on Gut's

[Anonymous No.1759194]

>>1758137
The way the feet are tiny suggests a fisheye lense.

[Anonymous No.1759393]

Some stuff from my blog.

[Anonymous No.1759394]

>>1759393

[Anonymous No.1759403]

>>1758626
check it out now (the funk soul brother)

I'll go into colors now. Im very bad at it, though

[Anonymous No.1759460]

damn it, i wish i saw these earlier.

>>1757689
i will still continue trying to understand. if it's the actual subject matter that's horrifying then i have no idea how i'll go about doing this. i can only say thanks for bearing with me for so long.

>>1757692
do plenty of those at work already...

>>1757698
>>1757700
i tried to make the hands bigger, but i think i definitely screwed up on the perspective of the arms.

>>1757717
i'll pay more attention to the hairline from the next piece.

[Anonymous No.1759461]

>>1759460
>do plenty of those at work already...

Mind sharing?

[Anonymous No.1759470]

>>1759460
>i tried to make the hands bigger, but i think i definitely screwed up on the perspective of the arms.
Either the arms need to go back a little more- they look flat like she's intentionally trying to hold her elbows in line with her torso rather than a relaxed hands-on-hips pose, or the hand need to be fixed. You can see the tops of her palms. You shouldn't be able to.

The torso and colouring looks good. I loves me some muscle bitches. Its just the arms and hands that look out of whack.

[Anonymous No.1759479]

>>1759460
Just a heads up,t he way you've done the sweat droplet on her left cheek makes it look like she has an indent/cut in her skin mate.

[Flatberry !/IsMOEc4mo No.1759503]

>>1758207
give up on what, exactly?
i dont have a goal, i just draw whenever i feel like drawing : 3

[Anonymous No.1759539]

>>1759460

I am so tired of you, please just learn to draw faces, like seriously what the fuck is that nose. the mouth is too far down on the face, and the eyebrows look like fucking sharpie. every single thread you have to post a new turd that every other anon tells you looks fucking ugly and wrong. The point of stylization is to make something appealing (I'm not talking about her muscles since that is a fetish and it is appealing to you at least) I'm talking about her fucking face. This is the definitive thing holding back your work. Forget the anatomy, work on making appealing faces, and look at what makes this Rin character so cute in her original works (does vocaloid have original art?) Pls Rinfag, improve.

[Anonymous No.1759548]

Anything to criticize before I finish it? My fucking scanner is broken, sorry.
>inb4 furfegget

[Anonymous No.1759549]

>>1759548
brilliant!

[Anonymous No.1759553]

>>1759539
you can tell this critique came from the heart

>>1759460
You can do it, Rinfag, just start grinding faces

My own critique is that the legs are a bit too simple compared to the torso, they look like simple cylinders

[Anonymous No.1759677]

My lack of value studies are showing and all (SPECIALLY my lack of fabric studies), and the foreshortening looks baffling wrong with it painted.
Just means I have to study more. Meh. I rarely get this far with my drawings, so I guess that counts for something, at least.

Anyone have any pointers for me?

[Anonymous No.1759693]

>>1759677

There's a really good tutorial graphic on foreshortening in this thread

>>1759041

>>1759539
Let it go anon, just let him do as he will

[Anonymous No.1759712]

>>1759393
>>1759394
Really, this is just so small there doesn't feel like there is any detail. Try making a whole picture, even if you are only comfortable with heads. To become a better artist you need to get out of your comfort zone. Also, is that Has Del Gato from Billy and Mandy

[Anonymous No.1759723]

>>1759548
>Year of our Lord 2014 AD
>Being this much a homo furry

Notwithstanding - it's too damn light to see anything properly. The guy's right hand seems ok, but his left and wolfman's hands are pretty shitty (can't see em good enough to tell in what way to improve them doe). Wolfman kind of looses "definition" in the hip area. Forearm foreshortening looks bad on both. Lack of triceps irks me, as do pants that "look like jeans", but end up being more like sweatpants.

[Anonymous No.1759727]

>>1759677
Is that supposed to be sparkles*?
sage for shitpost

[Anonymous No.1759734]

>>1759693
That was kind of you to share with me, anon. Just from reading the introduction I've realized I've made a crucial mistake: Drawing the head as if the horizonline was at the character's eye-level, when it should obviously be at the hands level. Just making that change already made things a little better.
About the arm, I wouldn't know how to redline following the instructions on the tutorial, I'll just have to start a new drawing from scratch.

>>1759727
What is "sparkles*", pray tell?
I was just making my drawing up as I went.

[Anonymous No.1759735]

>>1759677
that looks really fucking gay

[Anonymous No.1759740]

>>1759735
>>1759727
Jesus, how do you people live with yourselves. Surely you can see what massive dipshits you are, i mean, what kind of person makes these garbage posts?

[Anonymous No.1759743]

>>1758605
well shit, thanks for the input. I'd imagine I'd only really need to put detail in the midtones, right?

>>1758638
thanks, i'll look into making some ink brushes. Unfortunately I'm not using photoshop, I'm using something called 'manga studio' (also known as clip studio I think), but it should have some sort of tip shape editor for its brushes.

[Anonymous No.1759746]

>>1759740
It's okay anon, I don't think it's offensive to be gay. or even fucking gay.
I could care more for some actual drawing advice or something of the sort, but I know that's hoping for too much on 4chan

[Anonymous No.1759771]

Chickenscratch

[Anonymous No.1759773]

>>1759740
Lurk more. those aren't even insults.

[Anonymous No.1759774]

>>1759746

[Anonymous No.1759776]

How am i so far?

[Anonymous No.1759777]

>>1759776
Her feet are kinda freaking me out.

[Anonymous No.1759779]

>>1759777
the feet are still in frame sage so it has room for adjustments

[Anonymous No.1759800]

>>1759779
*stage

[Anonymous No.1759824]

>>1759460

Rinbro if it helps you should look up how other artists do it. I saw your studies last time and you definitely have a fair grasp of knowledge but your stylising is simply not there. Try looking those really good semi-realism artists like Qinni and see what you can gleam from them.

[Anonymous No.1759835]

>>1759539
>>1759553
Right now the only solution seems to be to tone up the faces and to heavily simplify the body. I've been trying to grasp the styles of others, but I think it's going to be a while before I hit anything...

[Anonymous No.1759849]

>>1759835
don't just study the face, study the head as a whole.
and try out different angles. let your curiosity guide you

[Anonymous No.1759872]

>>1758883
get ink and paper and draw what he draws

[Anonymous No.1759938]

>>1759872
Thanks friend,
I'll stack off with my loomis stack soon enough.

[Anonymous No.1759968]

>>1759835
I see White Datura here. You would benefit from studying his style, since what you're going for is somewhat similar. Try and break up his faces, and analyse them until you understand how the stylisation works.

[Anonymous No.1759982]

>>1759968
Thanks for the artist's name, I'll definitely study his stylization (and technique) alot more.

Before I carry on, can I check if this is a step in the right direction or is it the same shitsux try again?

[Anonymous No.1760002]

>>1759982
i think it looks better

still need to fix those fucking hands though

[Anonymous No.1760099]

I don't even know anymore

[Anonymous No.1760119]

>>1760099
absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.1760122]

>>1760099
Well done

[Anonymous No.1760139]

>>1760099
You usually do alright with the feet what the fuck happened

[Anonymous No.1760157]

>>1760099
I prefer this style way more, you have ventured into uncanny way too long, it's time to come back.
But i feel like her right foot is forced into the frame, if we assume that the center of the camera is about
her navel, i don't think that foot should be showing there except if it was some kind of fish eye lense, but even
then it doesn't feel right.

[Anonymous No.1760158]

>>1760099
......
At least it's not Satsuki.

[Anonymous No.1760159]

>>1760099
Teach me senpai

[Anonymous No.1760160]

>>1760099
Seriously, go away. Stop posting here.

[Anonymous No.1760163]

>>1760159

How about you start learning how the chest actually works

[Anonymous No.1760165]

>>1759982

Honestly rinfag just go look at how people stylise. Your bodies are bordering to realism but your faces are far too stylised. She can have a bigger nose, more defined shading and a top lip while maintaining the look you're going for.

[Anonymous No.1760168]

>>1760159

Is that supposed to be date a live characters?

[Anonymous No.1760170]

>>1760099
this is fucking creepy, get your shit together

[Anonymous No.1760171]

>>1760168

[Anonymous No.1760174]

>>1760171
He can't even get the right girls bikini color scheme right.

[You're Mom No.1760176]

>>1760171
>that not so subtle shading on the right one's wow hole area

L-...lewd

[Anonymous No.1760182]

>>1760099
Why do I still love you so much, Kyle-sama?

[Anonymous No.1760183]

>>1760099
How did you learn to draw feet so well, Kyle?

[Anonymous No.1760184]

>>1760099
I'm not sure what angle she's at.
Breasts up it's like she's looking at you head on, but he legs suggest she's laying down.
If she's sitting up, her stomach should suggest that, but there's not enough there to show it.

[Anonymous No.1760192]

Could someone please post that "redline" Kyle did of someone's work? He coloured and rendered her legs to give them those juicy thighs.

[Anonymous No.1760196]

>>1760099
Gaaahhhh. The foreshortening on her right leg is awful. If you don't have enough space just expand the canvas.
Wouldn't say the foreshortening on the other leg is good either.
She's off balance, careful where you place the hand, cause right now she looks like she's gonna fall over.

[Anonymous No.1760198]

>>1760196
Do you have a tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1760199]

>>1760198

do you literally eat shit?

[Anonymous No.1760200]

>>1760099

Are you the same nigga who did this?

[Anonymous No.1760204]

>>1760192

I don't know why I saved it, but here ya go.

[Anonymous No.1760208]

>>1760199
Nope.

[Anonymous No.1760209]

>>1760198
For now I only post and redline here sometimes.
Thanks for taking interest, though.

[Anonymous No.1760210]

>>1760204
Thank you so much.

[Anonymous No.1760266]

oh hai everbody i m just asking a question
i want to paint high tights i not sure i a should paint them like humain leg or with less reflections

oh btw if someone can tell me why the hand holding the hat looks like a crab i would thank him dearly

[Anonymous No.1760272]

>>1760266
maybe because it's backwards? Try holding your hand like she does and you'll know what I mean

[Anonymous No.1760273]

>>1760266
Because she's got two left hands, the thumb should be on the other side

[Anonymous No.1760279]

>>1760272
>>1760273
oh thanks
i did the thumb in the right place but i think it need to get a little bit higher

[Anonymous No.1760306]

>>1760279
cast it in shadow you dingus. learn to value

[Anonymous No.1760312]

>>1760306
oh you right how dumb i am

[Anonymous No.1760336]

bad furry art inbound

[Anonymous No.1760497]

>>1760099
Kyle what are you interest? in art and in fetish stuff ?

I ask because I think you have potential but you're not going to pull it off like this or at least it'll be a long time before you finally really GIT GUD.

when you draw what is it you put emphasis on trying to exaggerate and stylize?

If you don't answer here i'm just going to ask you on your tumblr

[Anonymous No.1760511]

>>1759740
You know, not everyone here is an adult.

[Anonymous No.1760571]

How do I draw anime head


how do -you- draw anime head

[Anonymous No.1760578]

>>1760571
>Anime head

What do you mean? A head is a head no different from a realistic head and a stylized one the same principles apply in how you construct it. Study the proportions of the head.

[Anonymous No.1760582]

>>1760578
are you honestly saying that the heads that people are drawing here are realistically proportional

[Anonymous No.1760583]

>>1760582
The same principles apply stop confusing yourself.

[Anonymous No.1760584]

>>1760583
>realistic proportions
>>1760200


if i saw a head like this in real life I would be fucking terrified.

[Anonymous No.1760586]

>>1760584
Just think about it. There is a reason why people say study the proportions of a head first the face you see there is derived from life it's using the same oh shall we say patterns instead of proportions so it wouldn't be so confusing.

[Anonymous No.1760666]

[Anonymous No.1760723]

>>1760666

Mikufag, I can always tell a drawing is yours because of your line quality. Are you using a tablet with pressure sensitivity? Try some exercises where you try to draw, say, the hair strands/chunks in one motion so you don't have to go back in and erase. The goal here is to make your lines look like one sweeping motion rather than broken up (ie weak). One of your major problems seems to be "boogers" where you draw and then you go back in and erase but leave so many small dots that it looks even worse, even in your most finished pieces I see small dots. (I'm on UL group btw so I monitor your posts). There is something to be said about craftsmanship, and what you would expect to see in a clean, finished lineart. Granted this piece looks really good compared to some of your other stuff, the lines are still lacking (like at the tips of the hair) and would benefit from being done in one confident motion.

[Anonymous No.1760752]

>>1760666
fuck even for a furry that looks terrible

the muzzle looks way to small and the neck starts way too fucking far back from chin IF THERE WAS ONE WHICH THERE ISN'T

you never learn anything, don't come back

[Anonymous No.1760757]

>>1759982
It does look nicer, but I think you should move onto a different drawing
The head looks really large compared to the face
>>1759835 are lovely

[Anonymous No.1760784]

>>1760666
Nice. Looks like your learning to rotate things? Was it from imagination?

[Anonymous No.1760785]

>>1760582
i'd also say it's true. or at least it's more than you'd think

[Anonymous No.1760791]

Character development. Sorry for the poor quality photos. I don't have a working scanner.

[Anonymous No.1760806]

>>1760752
the "neck" starts just at the right place (well, almost). the throat is a little thin, and the jaw is very small, but that's more style than anything.
with a few good adjustments, it would look just right. it's not nearly as bad as you're implying it to be.

especially since it's a more promising profile shot that than what i usually see in these shitty threads. at least it doesn't make all the positional/proportional mistakes of not giving the back of the head enough space, the face/jaw being fused with the neck and the ears being too far back.

that being said, furry profiles are easier and this is miku, so it's probably referenced.

[Anonymous No.1760978]

>>1760784
No, >>1760806
is right I referenced it and now I have to figure out a way to get my anonymity back and I think the only way is to really get good as to not be recognizable anymore. This will be fun.

[Anonymous No.1760979]

>>1760978
Maybe if you decide to actually start drawing instead of "studying" other artist all the time.

[Anonymous No.1760982]

my depression wont let me focus on drawing it all looks like shit and i dont even think about what am i drawing.

[Anonymous No.1760985]

>>1760982
Just pull through if it helps draw something cute. Mind as well post reference maybe this will motivate you.

[Anonymous No.1760990]

>>1760985
thanks miku but cute things are hard to do for me.

[Anonymous No.1761007]

>>1760982
>>1760990
Everyone experiences down times like these. They're called blocks. There's nothing you can do about it except wait for it to pass. Do something else, for example, maybe go outside and forget about drawing for a while. You'll eventually be able to come back to it.

While being depressed all the time will affect your attitude towards your work, it doesn't stop you from being creative. So stop making excuses for yourself and pick up your pen to draw whatever the hell you want.

[Anonymous No.1761034]

>>1760982
I've been like that for 2-ish years.
At the very least that mindless doodling will make sure you still know how to use your hand. Try drawing something dumb that makes you laugh. Don't stress yourself out thinking you have to draw something really good.

[Anonymous No.1761036]

This is finally done. Now I can get on with life.

[Anonymous No.1761048]

>>1761036

This is good. Mind posting the linework?

[Anonymous No.1761055]

>>1760978
>I think the only way is to really get good as to not be recognizable anymore.
what kind of logic is that. the opposite would happen if you ever were to git gud

[Anonymous No.1761061]

>>1761048
Sure.

[Anonymous No.1761064]

>>1761061
i really like it but i remember the faces to look different(better) in one of your WIPs

[Anonymous No.1761065]

>>1761061

It's really good. I love overly detailed linework. haha :)

[Anonymous No.1761075]

>>1761036
neat, it's better than i expected it to be.

[tumtumi No.1761094]

update..

[Anonymous No.1761099]

>>1761094
Hint: Thighs shouldn't be as thick as the torso.

[Anonymous No.1761104]

>>1761099
I guess you never saw xaxaxa's works or those early 80's-90's manga artist.

not that guy btw

[Anonymous No.1761105]

>>1761099
My thighs are as thick as my torso

[Anonymous No.1761109]

>>1761105
Are you fat? If not, I assume every day is leg day for you.

[Anonymous No.1761111]

>>1761094
noice
do you post your stuff somewhere? i need to know for scientific reasons

[Anonymous No.1761113]

>>1761099
but it is pretty hot
so who cares

[tumtumi No.1761114]

>>1761111
no, but I will be posting on HF when i get gut. Im practising now.

[Anonymous No.1761117]

>>1761113
it looks like shit. the girls look retarded and look like they couldn't stand upright without their ass sticking out if their life depended on it.
i fucking hate that typical posture that results from this kind of style. it looks so uncomfortable. and it doesn't look sexy either. i don't know what people like about it.

[tumtumi No.1761125]

>>1761117
to my defense i can say that the left girl will be having her hands tided so thats why she has hands like this now. I dont understand most of your complains tho why they look retarded? you dont like the face or just posture ? I never did interacting poses so im practising standing interacting poses now.

[Anonymous No.1761127]

>>1761117
>i don't know what people like about it.

"oh noes those people doesn't same the share taste that I have!" BANG! rude awakening for you faggot.

[Anonymous No.1761145]

>>1761117
But those proportions are not even exream anon, have you seen dragon's crown? i actually really like that artwork
if your proportions stay balanced on how extreme they are in the whole setting and done mindfully they can look good,
but of course taste comes into play then and what is right or wrong starts to blur out with preference.
If you can say that about her unrealistic thighs you can say it for her unrealistic eyes as well.

[Anonymous No.1761148]

>>1761125
don't worry, you're not the only one doing it. i find that many people who draw this fat-tigh style tend to do it.
for example in your image: even the girl on the right, who is seemingly standing upright, is arching her back, in this way where her ass and breasts stick out. what is she, a fucking dinosaur?
i don't know if you people do it unconciously, or wether it's just errors that build on top of each other that makes it look like this.

[tumtumi No.1761154]

>>1761148
I will keep that in mind for the future. Also loled at dinosaur comment.

[Anonymous No.1761171]

Been working on this.

[Anonymous No.1761173]

>>1761171
Shit forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1761189]

>>1761173
What is it with you faggots and thunderthighs this morning?

[Anonymous No.1761191]

>>1761189
don't forget shitty art like 90% of this board

[Anonymous No.1761195]

i'm trying to keep all of the forms on the body simpler and emphasizing on the shapes on the face more (the lower lip and nose in particular)

i hope it's better than my previous attempts, at least. really focusing on faces first atm

[Anonymous No.1761196]

>>1761189
>being female
>expecting to understand porn

men don't enjoy seeing skeleton legs, girl.

[Anonymous No.1761197]

>>1761189
is this your first time in these threads?

[Anonymous No.1761199]

I'll never understand this shit.

[Anonymous No.1761202]

>>1761199

[Anonymous No.1761204]

>>1761199
The corners of the ribcage is divided by half in the proportions you see in the drawings.

[tumtumi No.1761205]

>>1761195
thats a huge improvment, facewise and the body fits it better too i think good jab.

[Anonymous No.1761210]

>>1761199
There's really nothing to understand. the gap is irrelevant, just simplify the rib cage as an egg-ish shape (or whatever you use to simplify it)

[Anonymous No.1761211]

>>1761199
it's were the shest ends and belly begins

[Anonymous No.1761214]

>>1761195
you have improved but thats not lewd enough

[Anonymous No.1761218]

>>1761061
is that all pentool or did you freehand some?

[Anonymous No.1761250]

>>1759938
Assuming you're being sarcastic, what did you expect for such a plain question? you want to draw in a certain style, there is nothing else to it but to draw what is drawn in said style, no?

[Anonymous No.1761252]

>>1756210
Care to share your brush settings? I'm really digging your lines.

[Anonymous No.1761435]

>>1761195

Judging by the way that you render Rin's muscles, I feel that you don't actually know anatomy/muscle groups very well. The way you posed her on the beach has a lot of issues with the gesture/skeleton. To be able to stylize well, you have to know these basics before you can simplify them. Your coloring is pretty good, but I feel that you're having trouble rendering form in some places such as the face, arms, and legs (where your lack of anatomy knowledge shows, along with inability to stylize). It becomes really obvious when the torso is so detailed (but incorrect), and the arms, legs, and face have so little definition in comparison.

I suggest studying anatomy and working on your gestures, it will improve your art a shit load. Looking at images of actual muscular women will give you an idea of how to stylize them yourself (rather than trying to copy the way another artist does, and not really understanding why they made the stylistic choices they did in their anatomy). Also looking at anime artists that color realistically should help you with your faces. I can't really think up of any at the top of my head since I don't follow a lot of anime artists, but the way you shade faces makes them look like kigurumi.

[Anonymous No.1761449]

>>1761435

Also in my attempt to draw a muscular Rin, I also showed my messy sketch layer so that you could get an idea of the muscle groups underneath her skin, and how I chose to line them. If anything is unclear, I'll try to explain it better.

[Anonymous No.1761463]

>>1761195
>>1761435
I am starting to have a soft spot for muscular girls, would let them wreck me and no homo.

[Anonymous No.1761510]

>>1760723
I can always tell it's Mikufag because of the eyes.

[Anonymous No.1761512]

Anyone got any tips for adding value to animu trees?

[Anonymous No.1761525]

>>1761512
Stylize regular trees, there's no such things a "anime trees"

[Anonymous No.1761579]

>>1755700
Go back to /a/ fagala.

[Anonymous No.1761648]

>>1761435
Thanks so much, this is very helpful. I'll probably go back to studies again before I attempt at this piece again or maybe go for another round of vilppu.


About gesture, is there any way to go about studying it outside of doing 30/60 second poses? also, do you know of any other site for gesture outside of pixelovely? I'm kind of running out of poses to do on that site, pic slightly related, they're kind of throwing the same pics at me over and over.

[Anonymous No.1761653]

>>1761648
and here is some of the vilppu that i've been watching/following. in case i'm doing anything wrong in then...

[Anonymous No.1761674]

New Thread:

>>1761673
>>1761673
>>1761673

[Anonymous No.1761991]

>>1761648
Try going to mjranum's DA page, I think you can look at the gallery in a slideshow.

[Anonymous No.1762920]

>>1758883
Copy his work man, he's pretty stylized. You can't copy Inoue and get Kentao, you know what I'm saying?

[Anonymous No.1762925]

>>1759460
For the record dude, props for keep going at it, and you're great with some of these components, but have you ever considered trying out western-style art (comic)? I really think you'd accel at it. You do impressive muscles, but anime (especially moe) is so simple and delicate-looking that no matter how good your faces are, or how well-rendered your muscles are, putting the two together fundamentally won't work. I really think it would be interesting to see how you'd do with a slightly different art style.