/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Beginner General !tsGpSwX8mo No.1744239]

Because we exist and we shouldn't make new threads or post in other threads all the time shitting up everything.

To be honest this is an experiment, let's see how it goes.

So if you're still on the sticky you're a beginner.

Let's try and post our sketches and stuff here.

[Anonymous No.1744241]

>>1744239
>Beginner General
/ic/ in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.1744248]

>>1744239
Why can't they post in draw thread?

[Anonymous No.1744256]

>>1744248
Seems the skill gap is too big so people might now belive they 'belong' there.
Here we can share our terrible loomis exercises

[Anonymous No.1744257]

>>1744256
if you're too shy to post your work in a communal thread on an anonymous image board then there's not much hope.

[Anonymous No.1744259]

>>1744257
I'm not too shy, but it seems some people make entirely new threads instead, which just clutters up everything.

[Anonymous No.1744274]

I'm not really a beginner, I been drawing for a long time, but I stopped drawing last year due to stress and not being motivated. Now everything looks.. off. and it makes me not even want to draw, and I feel ashamed of myself for stopping, but I still want to draw.

What do I do? Do I need to start from the beginning or just practice and brush up on anatomy, perspective, gestures etc ?

[Anonymous No.1744276]

>>1744274
whatever needs work. if you don't understand the foundations, and it sounds like you don't, then start there. though personally I consider anatomy/perspective/gesture pretty basic.

[Anonymous No.1744287]

cool, im a youngster, delinquent, beginner and I think this is a good thread idea. As another anon pointed out its not as helpful to beginners to post in regular draw threads due to the skill gap. I would imagine that help should be given at equal measures to all levels of skill and that beginners should be given advice that could direct us into a facet we should delve into instead of the indirect, typical response of "learn the fundamentals more , study nigga!". that response just brings us to ask "but how? what the fuck do you mean?"

anyways I find proko's videos much more helpful than loomis. IMO loomis is very vauge about how to design the ball and plane.

idk ill shut the fuck up now. heres some of my recent practice

[Anonymous No.1744306]

with loomis

[Anonymous No.1744309]

>>1744306
with loomis 2/2

[Anonymous No.1744311]

>>1744309
with hampton (aka loomis a shit)

[Anonymous No.1744317]

>So if you're still on the sticky you're a beginner.

No artist ever advances beyond the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1744367]

Joining in on the party

[Anonymous No.1744368]

>tripcoding the subject of the thread
That said, it's a neat idea only because it applies towards me being a beginner.

[Anonymous No.1744369]

>>1744368
I numbered it #1, but i fucked up and forgot that it is used for tripcodes.

[Anonymous No.1744370]

>>1744369
Don't worry, I forgot spoilers don't work on this board.

[Anonymous No.1744373]

>>1744370
In these threads, we can be idiots,
Together.

[Anonymous No.1744374]

>>1744311
Which hampton book?

[Anonymous No.1744376]

I'm guessing >>1743579 is what spurred you to make this.

Plugs aside, here's a head I made. I'm enjoying this, honestly. I'm making progress.

Well, it feels like it, anyway, considering I made a fucking cat man.

[Anonymous No.1744377]

>>1744373
Forever

[Anonymous No.1744516]

top first attempt got mad and scribbled
Bottom a day later

[Anonymous No.1744525]

H-how did I do /ic/? What needs fixing.

[Anonymous No.1744536]

>>1744525
Fixed the legs and back

[Anonymous No.1744538]

>>1744525
You made her thinner and that chubbo ass and thigh fat on the side only works if you keep her that way. I'm talking about the legs.

Muscular people are easier to start with btw.

[Anonymous No.1744540]

>>1744525
>>1744536
Perspective

Compare yours to the photo

[Anonymous No.1744626]

Will I ever be able to draw eyes properly /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1744631]

I don't think a beginner's general is an extraordinary idea.
The issue is that beneficial feedback should come from people who know their shit rather than people at the same skill level / slightly below / slightly above, as to ensure good habits.
We won't really benefit outside of motivation, maybe.

[Anonymous No.1744671]

>>1744239
I drew this for shits and giggles a minute ago.

[Anonymous No.1744707]

>>1744374
the only i know of: the one about figure drawing.

i think hampton has a much better approach than loomis. the book has a section for pretty much every body part.

[Anonymous No.1744787]

>>1744631
see it more as a containment thread. a chance for the biggest noobs to post their shitty art and ask their stupid questions without offending any of the people who know how to help themselves

[Anonymous No.1744795]

>>1744631
OP here, It is an experiment. I had the same thought with getting help from draw threads, but being able to share your work no matter how bad can probably keep people motivated.

[Anonymous No.1744806]

>>1744787
I like this idea.

[Anonymous No.1745301]

Some advice:
>Doing anything with a ball is relatively hard if you are not used to viewing objects in 3D space
>Draw a head using a cube instead of a ball
>Placing anything and changing a cube is relatively easy compared to a ball

pic related: see how the brow line, the nose line, the chin line all work together

[Anonymous No.1745306]

>>1744525
You should practice by on looking not by having an image right next to your drawing.... I.E use paper

[Anonymous No.1745312]

>>1745301
For beginners cubes introduce perspective which is a problem.

Buy a ball and draw guides on it.

[Anonymous No.1745678]

>>1745312
yeah but it's much easier placing anything on a cube than a ball.

[Anonymous No.1745737]

>>1745301
>Doing anything with a ball is relatively hard if you are not used to viewing objects in 3D space
I just dug up an old plastic ball i had and then i drew lines on it, because i have a hard time 'seeing' circles when i draw them.
do you think it will help?

[Anonymous No.1745745]

>>1745737

it most definitely will. Hopefully observing it will make something just click for you mentally

[Anonymous No.1746170]

One of my facebook "friends" posted those neko-headphones Yuumei did, you know which ones, the ones with the kickstarter. She looked pretty excited, and I got tempted to do a 5 min sketch about how would the average buyer look. I'm posting it here as a provisional quick glance to my sketches while I scan more of them (may post later).

>inb4 not all otaku girls look like that
The girl who posted the pic does. Nothing against weebs tho.

>inb4 why are you drawing on lined paper you faggot
Because I'm a pleb, I'll give you that.

[Anonymous No.1746347]

>>1745737
I don't have any balls (ha). Does anyone know a 3D-program or some web-app where I can create a ball like this and rotate it? I downloaded sculptris but it only has one line dividing the ball and I don't know if it's possible to add others.

[Anonymous No.1746741]

>>1746347
yeah something like thatd be fucking peeeeeerfect

maybe something where you can also cut off the sides of the ball/cranium

like the little dude to the left

[Anonymous No.1746771]

>>1746347
>>1746741
I learnt the basics for 3ds max (free student version) and it helped me a great deal. You can do balls, boxes, cylinders, a teapot and all that fundamental shit..
Otherwise a pack of ping pong balls costs less than five bucks. So unless you live in a shitty 3rd world country it should be something should be able to afford.

[Anonymous No.1746777]

>>1746771
you have got to be shitting me, telling him to install a huge autodesk program just to rotate a ball.
there are some online. however anim8or is only like 1mb and will let you do the same shit.
http://www.anim8or.com/index.html

[Anonymous No.1746778]

>>1746777
It's not only for rotating. Also for other shit like making a spike or something like that. Thought that might be better since drawing consists of all sorts of boxes and shit.

[Anonymous No.1746780]

>>1746777
Something else online for beginners is
http://www.kineman.com/

3d moveable skeleton, didn't see it in the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1746783]

>>1746778
as you can in any polygon modelling application.

[Anonymous No.1746794]

>tfw got progressively worse with each doodle

[Anonymous No.1746807]

>>1746794
As long as they're not seperated by a timespan of months (or longer) then don't worry anon. You'll notice improvement once the time space between each is larger.

[Anonymous No.1746808]

>>1746807
o-ok, hopefully when i wake up tomorrow i can make something as good as the uguu dragon again

[Anonymous No.1746810]

I had to give up fun with a pencil because I can't think of any faces to draw. I always made the same one.

[Anonymous No.1746815]

>>1746794
Sometimes you get too confident when you like your drawing, you think drawing is easy so your attention starts to falter and you become more sloppy and things turn shit. I find this happening to myself quite often.

Sometimes you're just plain lucky and things turn out right by chance. Or the opposite: unlucky and things that you try just never happen to work right.
It's better to learn though.

Throwing random strokes until it looks right is a bad habit, you should try to learn to control shapes and forms manually. This requires that you think before you draw though, which seems to be a difficult concept to some people.

[Anonymous No.1746817]

Periodic reminder that FWAP isn't that good and you'd be better off just learning Linear Perspective first

[Anonymous No.1746820]

>>1746817
Nope. It's great way of learning construction. That's why it's great for beginners, they get revelation "I can draw ANYTHING" and that gives the motivation to learn more about other fundamentals, like that precious perspective of yours.

Drawing basic shapes in one-point perspective "because art is serious and boring bussiness" kills the motivation to start learning.

Why can't you boring fuckers understand this? There's always one guy in a beginner thread saying that bullshit.

If you want to help beginners: STOP RECOMMENDING BORING FUCKING USELESS EXERCISES FOR THEM

[Anonymous No.1746821]

>>1746815
>Throwing random strokes until it looks right is a bad habit, you should try to learn to control shapes and forms manually. This requires that you think before you draw though, which seems to be a difficult concept to some people.
What? Really? fuck

Well maybe I'm not throwing out random strokes but I do undo and repeat the same line a lot until it looks right. That's not the same thing right?

[Anonymous No.1746828]

>>1744536
Try to construct the figure. Don't copy the contour, it won't help you. You need to find those basic shapes that build the figure. You're still symboldrawing, think 3D.

Measure the distances and try to get them down in your picture. Same as drawing from imagination, but it's just easier with reference. No guessing the proportions, or pose, just construct what you see. Just what Loomis sensei taught you.

[Anonymous No.1746830]

>>1746821
>undo and repeat the same line a lot until it looks right. That's not the same thing right?
Well, yes and no. It's hard to say.

If you're doing "random" lines until it hits where you wanted it to be, that's more or less okay because it's probably a problem with your motor skills. That said, I don't know what is a good way to practice your motor skills, and whether doing this is counter productive towards it.

If you're throwing random lines until the SHAPE looks good, you're doing it wrong. You should have a pretty clear idea of the shape and where it should be, before you try to draw it.

[Anonymous No.1746832]

>>1746820

Pretty sure a whole universe of possibilities opens up once people start to grasp how to draw in 2 point and plot out whole scenes and objects

Keep drawing your retarded potato old man faces though, bro, I'm sure I'll catch your thread a few weeks later down the line saying Loomis a shit and that you're not making any tangible progress :^)

[Anonymous No.1746834]

>>1746821
You can "paint" with lines by "molding" the objects with several strokes. You can see Vippu doing this in many of his videos. It gives some weight and form easily when sketching. It just requires that you think you're drawing 3D objects.

>I do undo and repeat the same line a lot until it looks right

If you're doing inkin' for the final layer, then it's fine to try to get everything right. If you're doing this while sketching/constructing, you'll never get anything ready.

[Anonymous No.1746839]

>>1746830
>>1746834
Well I remember hearing or reading about each line should have a purpose, etc. I'm not really there yet. Partly because I don't know where I'm going with the character/composition, partly because thinking in 3d and putting that on a 2d plane is hard as balls

[Anonymous No.1746843]

I can only draw straight lines at a 45° angle away from me. Do I need to learn to draw a straight line from every position?

[Anonymous No.1746845]

>>1746839
>each line should have a purpose
That simply comes with experience because you know exactly where to put your strokes, instead of having to "sculpt" the shape and details like the other anon said. Nobody is perfect like that though. And it isn't true in all cases, because it's digital art so you can always draw over it and change it.

>>1746843
It's very difficult to draw certain angles when you draw from your wrist. You might want to learn drawing from your shoulder, although it's difficult if your canvas/tablet is too small.

[Anonymous No.1746846]

>>1746843
You don't really have to, you can turn the canvas or image on it, depending on traditional or digitally.

You can try to master it though. I don't think you really need to be able to draw lines perfectly straight ever though. You can use a ruler for that stuff.

[Anonymous No.1746849]

>>1744671
Is that the cousin from The Fresh Prince?

[Anonymous No.1746852]

That feel when my hands are shaking when drawing.

[Anonymous No.1746860]

>>1746832
Just said that drawing boxes is boring for most people, which it is, unless you're simple minded.

YOU on the other hand, are dissing one of the most influential art teacher of all times with your opinions like they're facts. Saying that methods, that fucking Disney have been using for the last 50 years for their animators, are "not so good", and your methods are better.

>Pretty sure a whole universe of possibilities opens up once people start to grasp how to draw in 2 point and plot out whole scenes and objects

Yeah, universe of cityscapes and railroads, good luck with that. The point was to have fun with the pencil, and teach a beginner. Would you teach perspective for a 5-years old?
Also, learning construction trough "block building", is tedious and time consuming, when for a beginner, quantity over quality is a must.

>I'm sure I'll catch your thread a few weeks later down the line saying Loomis a shit and that you're not making any tangible progress

Beginner in the craft, and already a know-it-all, good for you. I'm not a beginner, that's why I get to say that you are.

You're here just to start shit. This rambling should go for beginners so that they can recognize bad advices. People like >>1746817
Think Norling has better book than Loomis, when they teach different things. The argument comes down to what beginners should learn, and that depends what you want to draw. If you like cityscapes, the by all means, do advanced perspective till the end of times.

But if you want to draw ANYTHING else than citys or rairoads, then pick up a book meant for beginners to learn to draw in general. Construction, potraits, 3D thinking, figures these are all in FWAP. Loomis even touches perspective in the book.

[Anonymous No.1746867]

>>1746845
>That simply comes with experience because you know exactly where to put your strokes, instead of having to "sculpt" the shape and details like the other anon said. Nobody is perfect like that though. And it isn't true in all cases, because it's digital art so you can always draw over it and change it.
Alright, well I'll keep doing what I'm doing then. It definitely helps visualize and give myself ideas on where I want the picture to go. Trying out different lines and seeing what feels right

[Anonymous No.1746868]

>>1746839
The idea about being careful with lines, is so that you actually stop to think what you're doing. That way you'll learn better, and when drawing from ref/life, you'll measure more carefully and make more accurate work.

[Anonymous No.1746872]

>>1746860

You're missing the point and you're hugging Loomis's dick way too hard. I'd full heartedly recommend Successful Drawing, Heads and Hands and FDFAIW. All I'm trying to say is that there's more stuff out there except for JUST ONLY FWAP for utter beginners.

I don't have any beef with Loomis. I don't deny his importance and influence. I just think there are better things beginners could do besides try to slog it through FWAP.

Also stop trying to strawman and undermine the importance of linear perspective if you want to posture like you fucking know anything on here.

I doubt I'll sway your opinion so I'll believe what you want and leave you guys to it.

[Anonymous No.1746873]

>>1746872
>I'll believe what you want

Meant I'll say: believe what you want

[Anonymous No.1746903]

>>1746872
Might have come off as a bit offensive, yeah sorry 'bout that. There's just been this surge of people dissing Loomis on the board for some time now. Always without arguments (which I haven't seen on this thread either), just for the sake of it. So I tought it would be good to post on a beginner thread about the good sides of FWAP. It's not dick hugging to say it teaches very well construction, when you're saying that "it's not that good" without any arguments.


>Also stop trying to strawman and undermine the importance of linear perspective if you want to posture like you fucking know anything on here.

Perspective is very important, but I would not recommend it as a starter, which was the point of the argument/thread (and I have stated that many times). There's no strawmans when I say you CAN'T learn construction in a reasonable time, when you're trying to grasp how to draw a box in a perspective. That is why FWAP-goes to perspective in later pages.

Why do I recommend construction as starting point from time to time again? Because it helps you to see, draw and understand in 3D, which fights against symbol drawing, which is the biggest problem for most people.

And who's trying to strawman and back pedal here

>I don't have any beef with Loomis. I don't deny his importance and influence
In the first damn post, without arguments

>try to slog it through FWAP
No arguments yet why It's so hard and pointless, in your opinion.

>All I'm trying to say is that there's more stuff out there except for JUST ONLY FWAP for utter beginners.
I didn't argument that it's the only one, I argumented that it's great for beginners, and gave reasons too. You said "learn perspective, loomis a shit". Not a word about the faults of FWAP, like the stiff figures resulted from the construction.

I'll believe what I think is correct, not what I want. Otherwise I would be much happier person.

[Anonymous No.1747008]

I am a total beginner. A total scrub that rarely ever drew. What I want to learn first is figure drawing from immagination (without colors). I really don't care about environments and objects right now.

So what book should I start with? One that focuses on figure drawing online but is also for total beginners that lack any knowledge of drawing. One that doesn't have a steep learning curve so one doesn't get frustrated. One that hand-holds an idiot through the process.

Does a book like that exist? Is it required to learn perspective and drawing from life first before I start learning figure drawing?

[Anonymous No.1747013]

I finished Drawing with The Right Side of the Brain, and it was good, and I indeed made some progress.

But now what ?
I'm a bit overwhelmed by everything.

[Anonymous No.1747024]

>>1747013
Did it really? Any progress pictures? How much? How long did it take you to go through it? Asking because I have it here but I never bothered finishing it because I was put off by the pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.1747055]

>>1747024
Can't show anything, but yes, It gave em some interesting insights.
It took me around 2 months to do it, I took my sweet time.

[Anonymous No.1747057]

>>1746849
Yes it is

[Anonymous No.1747131]

Just started Loomis fun with a pencil
Already tired of drawing old men

[Anonymous No.1747135]

>>1747131
I've been hearing this a lot, and it's probably because the book is old as fuck and people don't like to draw the same goofy faces they used to draw a long time ago. Somebody should re-do the book with the same fundamentals but changing the faces or something like that, I'm not saying the faces should be shitty animu but they should at least be somewhat more entertaining to do.

[Anonymous No.1747137]

>>1747135
I agree, I do think it's still a good teaching method because I feel like I'm already improving and grasping better on how to construct. It's just tedious.

[Anonymous No.1747138]

>>1744376
Thats basically what my first loomis drawing looked like.

No shame

[Anonymous No.1747210]

>>1747131
are you literally just copying the book hoping it will make you a better artist?

drawing the head and hands book looks like it will teach you more in terms of anatomy

[Anonymous No.1747217]

>>1747210
I'm at the point where it says "but copying mine will get you started" and it's all free hand, just referencing the ones there and trying to really understand how the parts work put together

[Anonymous No.1747219]

>>1744239
Just started that book today, tried to make the faces at least semi-original.

[Anonymous No.1747225]

>>1747217
Am I referencing too heavily?

[Anonymous No.1747233]

God mine look so horrible. I just have no imagination and I can't envision things in 3D.

[Anonymous No.1747235]

>>1747233
Why are you doing it in pen? It's called "Fun With A Pencil" for a reason, fucker.

[Anonymous No.1747238]

>>1747235
I drew with a red pencil for sketching but the pen for the outlines.

[Anonymous No.1747243]

>>1747210
I'm looking at it, pretty overwhelming

[Anonymous No.1747254]

I'm actually pretty proud of the guy with the pipe. and Cal of course.

[Anonymous No.1747255]

>>1747254

[Anonymous No.1747257]

>>1747233

Have you already read "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain"?

[Anonymous No.1747259]

>>1747257
Should I? It seemed to focus on drawing from life which I am not interested in (I want to draw from imagination) or is drawing from life a basis drawing from imagination builds on?

[Anonymous No.1747262]

>>1747254
>>1747255
Indeed I love it
Very expressive

[Anonymous No.1747263]

>>1747259

You gotta know a thing or two about drawing from life before you can draw from imagination.

Trust me, give it a read.

[Anonymous No.1747266]

>>1747263
>Trust me, give it a read.

How long should I read it? My problem is that because I am self-studying I don't know how long and often I have to do certain exercises. Would just reading the book and doing every exercise once be enough?

[Anonymous No.1747289]

>>1747266
I started drawing last week. I'm sure that some of the advice the book give are in other books, and sometime Draing on the Right Side it's a bit too verbose... But man, I'd love someone would told me what the book explains.

It explains how to draw what you see and it does not takes too much time.


I plan to follow the /ic/ guide, but I miss some exercises that teach you how to aquire control over your lines, how to use the shoulder, and all thats things that seems fundamentals... Any clue?

[Anonymous No.1747291]

>>1747266

yep

[Anonymous No.1747419]

Working on drawing whole faces since it's entirely out of my comfort zone. Getting the eyes in the right place can be a bitch.

I'll take any critique/advice.

[Anonymous No.1747425]

>>1747419

Read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

[Anonymous No.1747428]

>>1747425
I'm in the process of going through it.

[Anonymous No.1747435]

So how i can scans my drawings? I don't have a decent camera and the one in my cell is extremely sub-par.
I do have a scanner but all of my scannings looks like crap. I tried greyscale, color, black and white scan, tried different levels of saturation, tried using gimp and messing with levels and file size but it still look like someone puked black ink all over it. There's some guide or something for this?

[Anonymous No.1747445]

>>1746741
Who's the handsome man in the picture?

[Anonymous No.1747451]

Took me less than a day to make this with pastels. What do u guys think?

[Anonymous No.1747452]

new to ic, so i guess im a beginner. like this sketch?

[Anonymous No.1747457]

>>1747452
damn look at those tiny ass ears and symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.1747530]

>>1747451

Way too smooth to make it interesting and it flattens everything out and your proportions and construction need worm.

[Anonymous No.1747534]

>>1747008
Your best bet is to learn construction, if you want to learn to draw from imagination. Try "Fun with a pencil", or it would be better to check these videos first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQ1WVyPHvU

[Anonymous No.1747541]

>>1747530
What?

[Anonymous No.1747545]

>>1747451
Anon, how do you draw those fine lines (hair) with pastel? Just wondering since I just got myself a box of soft pastel and I'm trying to get good with it.

Nice drawing btw, I like it.

[Anonymous No.1747557]

>>1745737
>>1745745
>>1746347
I just made a thread about that and got just as many replies as your single post lol. but sounds good, I'll find a ball to draw on to help my shit perspective

[Anonymous No.1747560]

>>1747541
I think that anon meant that it's visually uninteresting because everything looks too smooth and flat. Besides that, your proportions and construction need work.

[Anonymous No.1747564]

>>1747545
Pastel pencils dud ;3 or just break the pastel stick in half and use the sharp edges from the broken stick.

[Anonymous No.1747569]

>>1747560
What?

[Anonymous No.1747572]

>>1747564
Ah I see, thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.1747581]

I went a bit back in by sketchbook.
Left is first loomis exercise ever, the right one is the second one i did a minute later.
It still baffles me how much better it is.

[Anonymous No.1747582]

any doing these exercises?

how do you even check if what you are doing is correct?

[Anonymous No.1747583]

>>1747582
I'm doing the ellipse exercise - just sit there and fill an a4 page with random ellipses, then try to mark their axis (this is a decent practice for straight lines) than I hatch the remaining space in between the ellipses - so it's kind of a warm-up hatching practice.

[Anonymous No.1747609]

>>1747582
What book is this?

[Anonymous No.1747613]

>>1747609
hampton

[Anonymous No.1747649]

>>1747581
LOLLLLLLLL

[Anonymous No.1747658]

>>1747581
you just had to get in the zone first

even at my stage i produce "crap" and need to psych up with another attempt or two to get it mroe like it.

[Anonymous No.1747682]

Just wanted everyone to know that I'm getting really good at this art thing.

[Anonymous No.1747711]

>>1747682
Time to jack off!

[Anonymous No.1747885]

something i like

[Anonymous No.1747919]

let's continue these beginners threads.

[Anonymous No.1747948]

>>1746820
It also goes along with different subjects. Several months ago I picked a small book of guitar chords and progressions. Once you discover how fun it is to play Smoke on The Water or some shit, you get reinvigorated and begin to study more

[Anonymous No.1748389]

Is it bad that I work too fast?

I'm a hobbyist, been drawing since I was a kid but never really studied or tried to improve myself, I've got no actual knowledge. I bought Keys To Drawing and I'm going through the exercises, and from what I noticed I finish things way too quickly. If the book tells me to try and take 40 minutes to draw something I ususally finish it within 10 or 15 min. I then do the exercise two or three more times, just to keep on practicing the same thing. Is it good or should I take my sweet time on one drawing?

[Anonymous No.1748441]

>>1748389
This is one of those situations where, short of looking over your shoulder, it can't be said whether you're doing it right or wrong. You have to be able to gauge whether you are absorbing the concepts and are able to apply them.

Since you asked though, I'm leaning toward you aren't doing the exercises correctly, you're given 40 min because the author deems that an appropriate amount of time to get the most out of the lesson.

Don't plow though the book, don't even worry about completing it, take your time and think critically about what you're doing, why it is relevant, and how to apply what you've learned.

[Anonymous No.1748454]

>>1748441
I'm doing or at least trying to do exactly what the book tells me, to observe. I think I'm getting what the author intended me to understand with the exercises, because I can see little improvement with each new drawing, and my thinking process while drawing has changed. My sketches aren't perfect but I'm not stressing over them yet.

Either way, I'll try working longer and taking breaks in between, maybe that'll prove more useful.

[Anonymous No.1748715]

[Anonymous No.1748720]

>>1748715
You really need to try and see everything in terms of solid 3D forms.

When you're drawing legs, you aren't supposed to draw lines representing the counter of the legs, but you should be describing the form. If that makes sense.

Basically, I would just draw figures(and everything else for that matter) using cylinders and other basic shapes of your liking, for a while at least, so you can really get a feel for it.
Every bump and line should be there to indicate or put emphasis on a form.
When you draw cheeks for example, don't just draw two curved lines, but think in terms of spheres and how your pretty much placing them onto an other sphere and how it all connects. Imagine you're sculpting.

[Anonymous No.1748722]

>>1748720
You're right, seeing in 3d is something I really need to get down to do construction right.

spheres, boxes, cylinders and cones more. More construction. I need construction.

[Anonymous No.1748724]

>>1748722
A thing I like to do is; draw using only straight lines.

That way you're pretty much forced to think about the planes of the thing your drawing, and everything will become kind of 'boxy'.
Also use wrapping lines and shit.

[Anonymous No.1748726]

>>1748724
Okay, I'll take your advice to heart. Thank you. I'll come back with something better. Or something with more effort put into it anyway.

[Tombokiri !EU9zAgCPg. No.1748742]

I have just done this. Just played some tunes and let my subconcious do the rest. I know it's not great, but I'm quite pleased with the result.

Also, greyscale

[Anonymous No.1748825]

My recent failures

[Anonymous No.1748839]

>>1748825
stop drawing with symbols and actually think about light and form before putting pencil to paper buddy

[Anonymous No.1748842]

I've been practicing from a porno mag

[Anonymous No.1748843]

>>1748839
This is my 3rd day drawing
I'm doing my best

[Anonymous No.1748845]

>>1747255
Dat Bobby Hill

kek

[Anonymous No.1748849]

>>1746170
Looks good but simplify it majorly and make hearts and japanese symbols everywhere and make her happy and fat at the same time.

[Anonymous No.1748851]

>>1746347
Go into your kitchen and grab an orange

[Anonymous No.1748856]

>>1745737
Probably.

[Anonymous No.1748864]

>>1748856
what is the point of this? does drawing planes inside of a sphere really help?

[Anonymous No.1748886]

>>1748864

not so much as knowing

[Anonymous No.1749037]

I have difficulties applying the instructions of "Reading with right side of the brain" now that I finished the book.

I admit, I feel like I'm still using "L mode" when I try to draw Loomis.
It's a bit frustrating.

[Anonymous No.1749042]

>>1747289
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCoV9IRvL7c

Do these exercises, and remember to use your shoulder. Always "ghost" the line above the paper before drawing it, so you know what you're gonna draw.

These are great and fast videos for beginners, I don't remember if they are in the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1749047]

>>1749037
That's because they have a bit different approaches to getting rid of symbols.

Loomis leans more on the construction side which relies on understanding 3D-thinking.

And Betty has this "R-Mode" thing, trying to force the symbols away by really concentraiting on copying what you see, not what you think you see.

Bettys "R-mode" didn't come to me as easily as Loomis method of getting to the "R-Mode". Trying to observe everything in 3D and translating it to paper (doing problem solving), thus concentraiting enought to actually start to see.

Later I realized that these two methods don't mix very well. And sticked to the Loomis. Depends on the person which way works best.

[Anonymous No.1749049]

>>1749047
I see, that's interesting.
I'll continue to draw Loomis, and see which one fit me the best.

[Anonymous No.1749054]

Next week, I'll start actually learning how to draw.

[Anonymous No.1749065]

If i want to do realistic looking drawings, should i go for hampton instead of loomis?

[Anonymous No.1749076]

What is with the narrow scope here?

>have 20+ .pdfs of art manuals in different languages by different masters all pretty much saying the same thing but with subtle differences in aesthetics

I think better advice when it comes to this would be to study some art history, there are some threads at CA forums showing modern iterations of Russian figure construction techniques.. The more ways you learn to see something the easier time you will have copying masters and learning to apply what they have learned.

Hogarth, Bridgeman, Michael Mentler, Vilpuu are all worth looking into as well on top of Loomis... Try finding sketches and underpaintings by your favorite artists as well.. Learn to see their thought processes. I have a .pdf of Sargent notes and sketches and a bunch of Mucha sketches. They are pretty inspiring. The figure concept work for some of the metal gear solid ad final fantasy games is fucking nuts as well. I think it takes 10,000 hours to really be masterful.

Watts atelier has some really nice free stuff up right now as well.

It is good to mix up your observations too. Draw architecture, trees, deers, cats, on top of figure studies. Don't feel conflicted about the best way to start or where to start, just be steady and eventually you will be working through tons of material and seeing results.

[Anonymous No.1749080]

>>1749076
>What is with the narrow scope here?
Not sure if you're stupid, but it's obviously designed to make the scene seem crowded and hectic.

[Anonymous No.1749100]

>>1749080

Not sure if you're autistic, I'm talking about how faggots in this thread are arguing about superfluous shit 'wuts better muh loomis er muh persepctives' jesus christ

[Anonymous No.1749173]

>>1749065
Go for Loomis first so you don't have to deal with any of the gesture drawing bullshit

[Anonymous No.1749181]

>>1749065
Do both.

Learning to draw is a never ending process. You'll want utilize as much sources as you can.
Also, you don't just finish an art book.
I still go back to art books I've read a bazillion times, just for reference.

[Anonymous No.1749249]

>>1749173
But geisture is very important for figure drawing, anon.

[Anonymous No.1749261]

>>1748825
I suggest you get familiar with lips, mouth and eyes. Getting those few things correct would make these look much better. Also, jaw is way easier if you understand mouth placement better.

Remember to always draw the eyes as balls, and always do a crosscontour around the ball from the pupil, so you know how to place the lid. Eyes can be really hard to get right, if you neglect the construction.

And remember to also draw the ball for the mouth. It's really important to get the mouth right, or the face will look flat.

The construction balls won't even have to be correct sizes ('cept the eyes), as long they keep you drawing in 3D. Going _around_ the form and so on.

In the picture what I mean with the crosscontour on eyes.

[Anonymous No.1749262]

>>1749261
Thanks, that's helpful. I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.1749267]

What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.1749268]

>>1749267

Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1749269]

>>1749267
Posting, apparently.

[Anonymous No.1749284]

>>1749268
Proportions are off. And this comes down to remembering the proportions some what correct. I suggest you pay special atention to:
>eye placement and size
>nose size and nostrils' size
>Jaw placement in relation to mouth.

I suggest you do some exercises with the face features, making them bigger, but believable. Loomis has this exact same exercise in FWAP.

Make atention where nostrils end, and where the eyes start. Where ears are, always bit higher than eyes. Cheekbones in relation to nose aswell. And jaw, masseus should line with the mouth. Make them bigger, but try to get the placement's correct.

[Anonymous No.1749285]

>>1749268
Drawing people on hgh

[Anonymous No.1749287]

>>1749268

Add more vigorious construction. I don't see enought basic shapes in those faces.

[Anonymous No.1749292]

>>1749284
Thank you. Thank you for your knowledge.great critiques throughout the thread. This helps us beginners out a ton because it gives us a certain, specific direction to apply ourselves to instead of "more loomis"

[Anonymous No.1749548]

>>1745737
Rubber bands on the axis of a ball works too.

[Anonymous No.1749558]

>>1749284
those redlines should be curving along with the shape of the head. Hence your shitty, flat piece of shit drawing.

gg b4 u crit

[Anonymous No.1749627]

why does the above look better than the below? scuba kirby has form while gb kirby is flat?

[Anonymous No.1749628]

>>1749627
because of shadows

[Anonymous No.1749629]

>>1749627
Scuba kirby got some crude shading.
You're defining form when you add in shadows.
Stop drawing shitty chickenscratch pink balls and go read a book.

[Anonymous No.1749635]

best programs for drawing?

been using flash cs5 (first thing i found) but it cant do much. something with a smoothing option that works with a mouse (so not sai).

I know i shouldnt need one but im only just starting out and its there until i sort out my lines, which may be awhile because of mouse

[Anonymous No.1749636]

>>1749635
>mouse

Don't even bother, seriously.

[Anonymous No.1749646]

>>1749636
only doing this as something to do, im not looking to create works of art here so i dont feel a need for a tablet (even if they are amazingly useful), so far the mouse has served me fine

currently on perspectives, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 point, enjoying myself, even if it is simplicity itself drawing lines

and at the moment thats basically all im doing, drawing by lines, until i get all the shapes down

sooo, program?

[Anonymous No.1749654]

>>1749646
>Mouse.
Wtf man. No. Just no.

[Anonymous No.1749662]

>>1749654
photoshop it is then

[Anonymous No.1749666]

>>1749646
pen and paper bitch

[Anonymous No.1749679]

Been drawing for little less than 2 weeks. I started out with Loomis but didn't like it so I started using the /a/'s drawfag references. Currently just drawing poses from posemaniac and studying infographics.
My weakest link right now is drawing hands, feets and the head in multiple angles. As you can see, many of my sketches are missing properly drawn hands.

Sketches are in order of oldest to newest. Left to right, top to bottom, respectively.

Any critic welcomed and thank you for looking!

[Anonymous No.1749689]

>>1749679
1. Stop drawing on lined paper.
2. If you're using /a/'s references, why are you asking us?

[Anonymous No.1749693]

>>1749689
/a/ references aren't that much different from /ic/ and I figure you guys know your stuffs. Anything I need to focus more on right now?

[Anonymous No.1749694]

>>1749679
>Been drawing for little less than 2 weeks. I started out with Loomis but didn't like it so I started using the /a/'s drawfag references. Currently just drawing poses from posemaniac and studying infographics.
>My weakest link right now is drawing hands, feets and the head in multiple angles. As you can see, many of my sketches are missing properly drawn hands.
>Sketches are in order of oldest to newest. Left to right, top to bottom, respectively.
>Any critic welcomed and thank you for looking!

Which Loomis book you started with? You may want to skip "Fun with a Pencil" because the begineer cartoon face drawing practice may be unappealing to some.

I suggest you to give "Figure Drawing For All Its Worth" if you haven't. That one's about proper, real figure and face drawing.

[Anonymous No.1749697]

>>1749694
Thanks, I'll check out that book you recommended.

[Anonymous No.1749700]

>>1749679
i see you tsukiko
sneakkkyy

[Anonymous No.1749701]

>>1744239
When would you guys say you've past the beginner stage?

[Anonymous No.1749702]

>>1749701
This is addressed in the sticky.
Read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1749864]

>>1749558
Redlines done with mouse in paint, just to show proportions, tought this was obvious. The forms curve just fine and features are well enought in place. Darker areas are only to indicate different planes and major forms hastly.

Redline it faggot

2/10 got me to respond.

[Anonymous No.1749913]

FUCK IT
I'm changing up the steps
Going for perspective before construction
The other way around seems stupid
It's like having to cut tomatoes before being handed a knife

[Anonymous No.1749914]

>>1749913
>Going for perspective before construction

How about drawing the construction in perspective?

[Anonymous No.1749915]

>>1749914
I am going to, but i have to learn perspective first.
I can't live like this, with shitty wannabe circles that dosent look 3d and attempt to put shapes on shapes when i have no idea whats going on.
I don't want to make characters or anything yet, right now i just want to draw 3d space in 2d planes, million times more satisfying for me personally

[Anonymous No.1749933]

>>1744239
Do yourselves a favour and burn FWAP and pick up Successful Drawing instead.

[Anonymous No.1749935]

>>1749933
That or Rapid Viz

[Anonymous No.1749941]

Is using rulers for perspective guidelines and cubes a bad habit?

[Anonymous No.1749943]

>>1749941
Yes.

[Anonymous No.1749945]

>>1749913
>>1749914
>>1749915
construction and perspective are basically the same thing anyway

[Anonymous No.1749946]

>>1749941
Only if your line quality is shit without rulers.

[Anonymous No.1750079]

>>1749941
Of course not. Why would it? I use ruler always when I'm doing many long straight lines that are for guiding/construction. It's actually recommended (Norling and Loomis for ones suggest this) to use ruler when practising perspective. Only tools, no rules.

It becomes a crutch when you "can't" draw without it.

[Anonymous No.1750081]

>>1749913
What exercises are you going to do, and what books you're going to use?

Norling has really nice book on perspective, that goes very deep into the subject.

[Anonymous No.1750106]

What is the point of this exercise? I don't feel like drawing on my walls.

[Anonymous No.1750112]

>>1750106
Use a laser level

[Anonymous No.1750138]

>>1750112
Let's assume I don't have a laser level.

[Anonymous No.1750139]

>>1750138
just use some masking tape

[Anonymous No.1750274]

Is Loomis the SS of /ic/?

[Anonymous No.1750468]

I'm currently struggling with form. I'm starting to get the feeling of it but i'm not quite there.
Any ideas? This is something I just did with the construction I know so far.
Also, please excuse my anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1750470]

>>1750274
Yes, absolutely.

[Anonymous No.1750494]

>>1750106
Maybe if you have a corkboard try setting up a piece of paper on it instead.

[Anonymous No.1750548]

>>1750468
You're on the right track. You could try to add cross contours into the figure, to get better idea about the form. Try to draw form into random shapes with cross contours, do several of these and if you have trouble figuring out how the cross contour should wrap, take piece of something soft and mold the shape and observe it.

Once you understand form better, you can try to simplify the construction away from boxes to more natural shapes. You usually start moving away from the boxes once you feel like they're not "enought" for you to build with, and you can draw somewhat from imagination with your own construction.

I like to build construction so far, that I could "finish" the piece if the model were to leave the room. This was suggested by Kimon Nicolaides in his book (the book has conflicting opinions in /ic/, but I think it's a fine book), and it helped me with drawing from imagination.

I tried to learn figure drawing from quick geisture drawings (from 1min - 10min), and got pretty good results in terms of proportions, measuring, markmaking, simplified construction and some anatomy. They were not "real" geisture drawings I guess, just fast figures with goal to get the pose down. But they helped me a ton with figure drawing (even tho' I was pretty much complete beginner).

[Anonymous No.1750660]

I'm reading Keys to Drawing and I can't do this shit. It never turns out good and I don't know what to do. I tried both tone bars but the change in tone isn't gradual even with the cross hatching

Any tips? I feel retarded for not being able to do this seemingly easy task

[Anonymous No.1750680]

>>1750660
How often have you done the exercise faggot ?? Do it chinese style, at least 10 times !!

[Anonymous No.1750703]

>>1750548

Thanks for replying. I've been doing form exercises every day now (pic related).
I want to get away from using boxes to construct the figure as soon as I can, though I will continue to use them for now.
I have also heard of Mr. Nicolaides, I will have to look into his book. Thanks!

Gesture is very important.
I see what you mean by drawing the figures to get the poses down more so then to capture the gestures.
When I do gestures I do a mix of both, as to learn poses and catch the flow of balance.
So sometimes I will take it slower and complete the drawing with details and other times I will try to capture the gesture with as few lines as possible.
Can I ask how long you have been drawing more seriously?

[Anonymous No.1750722]

>>1750703
About 2-3 years, and lurked /ic/ for 4 years at least. Don't ask why I lurked when I was not studying seriously, maybe I'm a masochist. Max hours in a day about 4 hours, but whole weeks and days without doing anything. I've had way too many months of not even picking up pencil. Being lazy/occupied with life, should not be explanation for being shit tho', still my own fault.

On the other hand I've read quite many books on drawing, tried several different mediums (watercolour,oil,ink,charcoal), and tried other art related hobbies (sculpting, calligraphy). I'm not master, but I think I can give something in these beginner threads (they're great idea), given I've been self studying beginner myself.

Everything I draw in these threads are under 5 minutes quick sketches to give better idea what I mean (english not being my strongest side). So don't judge them too harshly ;_;
/blog

Just don't take Nicolaides strict material and schedule requirements too seriously. He has good exercises.
Your way of figure/geisture exercise sounds about the same I did, it's good to mix things up.

[Anonymous No.1750729]

>>1750660
What pencil are you using? If it's very "hard" (>3H) or otherwise shitty/cheap, it might be harder to get the middle tones.

With soft (>3B) pencil it's easier to get smooth tones with pressure, hatching requires patience more than anything.

[Anonymous No.1750736]

>>1750680
I've done it 10 times by now, getting there... slowly.

>>1750729
2HB. The book asks to use a HB pencil, I guess that's good enough?

[Anonymous No.1750738]

>>1750722

I'm not going to lie, I lol'd pretty hard just now. I needed that. haha

Don't beat yourself up. There are many artists that struggle with practice and the like. I know I am.
I've also been reading many different references. I recently found out that my library had some great books. I took advantage of that.

I think one of the major things I have witnessed from professionals all across the board is,
that they all have a knack for conveying the act of being consistent in their studies and practices.
I think everything you need to be good is accessible. It's a matter of buckling down and doing the work.
That's the hard part sometimes.

[Anonymous No.1750756]

>>1750736
It's good enough if the book says so. Other reason for struggling with hatching/shading, may be the way how you hold your pencil, and if you use your whole arm or just wrist.

If you grip the pencil like when you're writing, then try to hold it differently. I prefer the right grip (pictured) myself, but "sword" grip has it's places too (mainly in geisture drawing on A3-paper).

[Anonymous No.1750813]

>>1750756
Thanks for taking the time to take a picture and all that. I made a mistake by the way, the book doesn't ask for an HB pencil, it asks for a soft one. The HB pencil thing was on a previous task. Either way, I'll try to make the most out of it, and try those different grips.

[Anonymous No.1750919]

Guys, I'm doing loomis now, and before that I read "Reading on the right side etc", but I must admit now everything is a bit confused.

How I'm supposed to go into "R-mode" again, and see what's "out there" ?
I usually try to concentrate, don't name any part, try to see the "negative spaces", that's it ?

I'm shit at Loomis now, so I don't know if it actually works or not.

[Anonymous No.1751163]

>>1750919

Loomis teaches construction. It's a whole mother ball game. Kinda like perspective
Watch some proko videos for more help

[Anonymous No.1751579]

sup IC, the date that I did this is in the file name and I basically you to help me pinpoint things I should focus on next time I do studies.

[Anonymous No.1751582]

>>1751579
fuck captcha, forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1751586]

>>1751582
Work on tour proportions.
Firstly, you probably know but the head is too small and not the right shape.
Right arm especially is too short.
The torso is off, you need to make sure you have the right angle when drawing something, her lower back for example is much of a steeper angle than you drew, and much longer as well.
Her front, in the picture you can see the outline of the ribs and then a pretty much flat area from the ribs to the pelvis, in yours it's completely rounded from the ribs to the pelvis.
And the way you drew the legs makes it look like the right leg is overlapping the left when it should be vise versa.
Basically just make sure the proportions are right while drawing.

[Anonymous No.1751588]

>>1751586
Thank you so very much for being honest and not being a d/ic/k about it. I've been trying to hunt critique down for about a month and I get it in less than 5 minutes on here.

Yeah, thanks man.

[Anonymous No.1751594]

>>1751588
Well, being a d/ic/k about it is fine as long as I'm not a dick about it. Not a problem dude, that's what this place is here for.

[Anonymous No.1751619]

Every next drawing I make seems to scream at me that I shouldn't be drawing at all.

Is this normal?

[Anonymous No.1751623]

>>1751619

[Anonymous No.1751625]

>>1751619
>>1751623

I don't think I'm going to make it.

[Anonymous No.1751633]

>>1751619
>>1751623
>>1751625
Don't worry, it's normal. If you really like a game you wouldn't stop playing it because you got your ass kicked on the first level, just keep drawing and you should eventually git gud.

[Anonymous No.1751680]

>>1751582
You completely moved her hips, that is the biggest mistake.

[Anonymous No.1751683]

>>1751623
I know this man, he did make rape on my uncle Sakjev

[Anonymous No.1751687]

Can I skip the little heads in fun with a pencil? I hate the way they all look because I have no idea how to stylize like loomis with them. I want to go to the next part but my heads still look shitty.

I drew this today.

[Anonymous No.1751688]

>>1751687
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.1751690]

>>1751687
I think that one how to draw the head and hands is better to help understand how to do heads. this book is more caricature book.

[Anonymous No.1751692]

>>1751683

that is the face of a man who doesn't have anything to lose.

[Anonymous No.1751693]

>>1751692
>tfw it was a self portrait

But in all seriousness, I love feel images so much. They are my favorite maymay with all the creative variations.

[Anonymous No.1751817]

>>1751619

you can always give up and make abstract art

[Anonymous No.1751860]

something I did a long time ago; I know I'm atrocious at drawing hands and feet at a small scale.

[Anonymous No.1751882]

>>1750468
I'd suggest trying to break down the arms and legs down into cylinders to help with the construction.

[Anonymous No.1752008]

>>1751687
Read forward then. There's no use grinding something if you don't pay atention to it due to lack of motivation. You can always go back and do the exercises if you feel like it.

[Anonymous No.1752011]

>>1751860
If it's from long time ago, there's no need to critique it, draw something new.

It's a symbol drawing with wonky proportions, nothing much else to say. You can get free from symbols by following methods in the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1752012]

>Put mirror on desk for faces and increased self awareness
>It is literally the most distracting thing i've ever had on my desk because i keep making funny faces in it and get carried away
God dammit

[Anonymous No.1752016]

>>1752012
Wear a mask while at the desk. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.1752032]

I did this sketch a few months ago, though I haven't improved much since then.

[Anonymous No.1752035]

Why is my line quality such shit? Is it because of the sketchbook I'm using (it doesn't have a solid spine), the way I'm holding it or something else?

[Anonymous No.1752041]

>>1752035
Chicken Scratching may be the cause

[Anonymous No.1752156]

Why do people say perspective is the hardest and most boring thing? It is literally the best and most satisfying part for me learning how to draw so far

[Anonymous No.1752173]

Stepping away from animu to do something more realistic.

I think this is the furthest i can get. I don't know about everyone else, but having a sphere enclosed in a box (which is slightly longer for the chin) has really helped me as a guide for heads in different angles.

What is everyone's guidelines for drawing heads?

[Anonymous No.1752220]

>>1752156
People are different, that's why.

[Anonymous No.1752229]

>>1752173
That is horrifying

[Anonymous No.1752242]

>>1752229

That's what the beginner thread is for isn't it.

Say something useful or go home.

[Anonymous No.1752267]

>>1752229
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE FACE OF MERCY TO YOU

[Anonymous No.1752292]

I posted in a different thread earlier but I could use some help.

I had surgery on my drawing hand last june to remove a cyst. eve though it's recovered I can't stop pulling everything to the right, and it seems like the more I try to fix the lean, the worse it gets.

Is there a way to reset my hand?

(drawing I did this morning)

[Anonymous No.1752379]

>>1752173
You're already much better than Isayama

[Anonymous No.1752388]

>>1752292

>Is there a way to reset my hand?

Not likely. You'll probably have to learn how to use the way it is now.

[Anonymous No.1752432]

>>1752156
Because it's tedious and not fun like drawing naked women with huge tits and demons.

[Anonymous No.1752463]

Absolute beginner here

is the lighting correct?

cause it looks wrong as fuck to me

[Anonymous No.1752464]

>>1752463
Welp, the moment I posted this I realized that I'm a fucking retard and forgot the tree's shadow on the ground going to the left

[Anonymous No.1752472]

>>1752463

Its super hard to tell with a drawing like that. For practising lightning work with cylinders and simple forms, then we can instantly tell if youre doing it right, then you can just transfer that knowledge to advanced objects.

[Anonymous No.1753660]

Nothing huge, nothing exceptionnal, but I must say I'm happy of myself.

Do you think doing landscapes like that is useful at least ?
I feel like only anatomy is worthwhile because it´s also the hardest.

[Anonymous No.1754442]

How can i make vanishing points easily that are outside of the drawing paper?

[Anonymous No.1754446]

>>1753660
Variety is very important. You'll get nowhere if you just grind anatomy, You have to take geisture, composition, background, colors etch. into account if you want to make great art.

>>1754442
Use several papers and start the vanishing points from them. You'll need big table.
Or just eyeball them, only nitpicking anons will follow if the perspective is perfect.

[Anonymous No.1754566]

Is my 'end goal' of becoming a concept artist too high?
I know it will take years to get there, but it is what i really want to do.

[Anonymous No.1754571]

>>1745312
If you're drawing the head from any perspective that isn't dead on or profile, you're introducing perspective.

Perspective is a basic fundamental that beginners should learn BEFORE they try drawing human faces.

[Anonymous No.1754680]

I've wanted to learn how to draw for a long time, but every time I try I get depressed and lose motivation looking at my godawful attempts that literally look like they were drawn by a 6 year old. Any fun advice on how to grind past this first step?

[Anonymous No.1754682]

>>1754680
Bro
Bro.
Bro..
I have anxiety disorder
Imagine having suicidal thoughts, twitches, and shaking while trying to draw.
If i can, you can.
Get to work.

[Anonymous No.1754690]

>>1754682
I actually have anxiety and depression, and especially my anxiety wrecks me when I look at my shit drawings. I dunno, maybe I should just booze it up before I draw.

[Anonymous No.1754692]

>>1754690
I try and condition myself by eating biscuits instead, I just hope to god i don't become a landwhale.

[Anonymous No.1754694]

wy third photoshop work, lol

[Anonymous No.1754700]

>>1754694
>>1753645

[Anonymous No.1754701]

I just finished this
For some reason i am really proud of it.
It's my first attemp of having a vanishing point outside of the drawing paper (i.e. no real 'help', had to make figure their angle out myself)
The left side is no help point, the right still has it.

[Anonymous No.1754827]

>>1752432
>tfw I enjoy more drawing a dinosaur in perspective than drawing naked demon women with huge tits
I hope I'm not gay.

[Anonymous No.1754843]

>>1744239
noobs validating and or critiquing other noobs. k

[Anonymous No.1754993]

[Anonymous No.1755005]

>>1754701
>For some reason i am really proud of it.
because drawing things in perspective like that is cool as shit, especially if you're not used to drawing things in perspective

[Anonymous No.1755059]

I need help, I am trying to draw a bald women on profile but I still feel this drawing is bad, can you tell me my mistakes /ic/

[Anonymous No.1755074]

>>1755059
just fixed a little still I am not convinced

[Anonymous No.1755102]

>>1755074
>>1755059
Try using the profile portrait part of 'Drawing with the right side of the brain' as reference, he explains a lot of common mistakes and how to do each thing individually.

[Anonymous No.1755107]

>>1752035
the shape of the closest arm of the sunglasses is off too. usually sunglasses have 'circular' shape.

[Anonymous No.1755108]

>>1755074
nigga, who taught you to draw bald women? If you're not drawing from a reference, I would recomend to accentuate attributes that women look feminine. What' those attributes are I wouldnt be able to tell you, but they're deffo not a giant manly jaw, a short forehead and a microcephalic cranium.

[Anonymous No.1755112]

>>1755108
>>1755102
I was using this as reference but I guess i dont have a good eye, anyway thanks for the help guys

[Anonymous No.1755126]

>>1755112
dont worry

neither do they

[Anonymous No.1755130]

>>1755112
she does have a broad chin...but not quite as square as you had it.

[Anonymous No.1755134]

I hear Hampton has a better approach to figure drawing and drawing from imagination than Loomis
Here's the book, it's still protected under copyrights so download at your own risk.
https://d1e0u2actw4eb3.cloudfront.net/edu/src/Michael%20Hampton-%20Figure%20Drawing%20-%20Design%20and%20Invention.pdf

Key differences in Hampton are:
Gesture drawing first, structure and anatomy later
Less examples, less repetition
Simpler skeleton model
More anatomical detail

[Anonymous No.1755201]

How do I go about learning how to draw texture? Should I try to memorize formulas for as many different surfaces as possible? Whats the best book on texture? And how similar is it to shading/lighting?

Im talking about doing it in photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1755208]

>>1755201
Plenty of thorough tutorials everywhere. Trial and error works best, since explaining it often takes longer than doing it.

[Anonymous No.1755237]

>>1755112
Not that anon, but I'll give it a try

[Anonymous No.1755238]

>>1755237

[Anonymous No.1755310]

For some reason recording myself made my focus a whole lot better, i have no idea why.
Sadly i had to shrink it so much here to go under the 3mb limit you can barely see whats going on

[Anonymous No.1755311]

>>1755310

Post a picture of it

[Anonymous No.1755315]

>>1755311
I know the bottom book's angle is weird, i diden't see it until it was too late

[Anonymous No.1755342]

I have to say, sculpting really helps when you feel your drawings are flat by forcing you to create something you normally would have created in 2d in 3 dimensions. You also get a nice paperweight out of it that you could look at when you're having trouble figuring out what the head looks like/ where everything goes. pic related, it's a skull i made out of clay

[Anonymous No.1755345]

>>1755342
whoops i posted a work in progress and can't seem to find the finished one in my pictures. I actually finished it, added teeth and then fired/glazed it.

[Anonymous No.1755348]

>>1755342
>Sculpting
I've been wanting to try my hand at that too. So far just dicking around with a lil' bit of modeling clay.

What kind of clay do you use, and do you bother with firing it? I'd like to use some regular old clay for practice & maquettes since it's cheap and simple, but I dunno if I can skip firing or get away with building a small brick kiln or should just spring for the oven-firing or air-dry clay.

[Anonymous No.1755354]

>>1755348
I actually did this in school so there was a kiln available. Firing it makes it last longer.
If you don't feel like firing and want something you can practice with and change whenever you want you should try plasteline or oil clay. Should be able to find it at any art store i bet.

[Anonymous No.1755357]

>>1755354
A'ight, thanks.

The idea is eventually I'd be making permanent maquettes of busts or figures for personal reference, but I can cross that bridge when I get there.

[Anonymous No.1755359]

Life studies of hands and feets

How does someone work on values?

[Anonymous No.1755384]

>studying Fun with Pencil
>I can't anymore look at people or picture of people without thinking how their face is structured and I instantly want to draw them

Feels good.

[Anonymous No.1755418]

>>1755359
every drawing is done step by step. Imagine different layers starting from simple to detailed.

[Anonymous No.1755558]

>>1755342
do you by any chance go to pierce college

[Anonymous No.1755667]

I don't know if these videos have ever been posted here, but I found them to be pretty motivating in going through "Fun with a Pencil." Despite the playlist only going up to page 39 since the person seems to have dropped off of youtube, I think it should be enough to bring anyone to finish the book and get a good idea of how to progress with it, since I think the main threshold in completing it is the first part anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrtRla3C5c&list=PLBA24F772797A5CD7&index=2

[Anonymous No.1755702]

Send help

[Anonymous No.1756004]

I have no idea what the 2 letters/numbers on pencils mean or do like
>HB
>H4
>H3
>A1

Should i know these?

[Anonymous No.1756007]

>>1756004
nope

[Anonymous No.1756008]

>>1756004
It is very important when it comes to value.

[Anonymous No.1756009]

>>1756004

H= Hard (higher the number the harder it is)
B= Black (meaning the higher the number the softer it is = easier to get 'black')
F= middle point in the scale between H and HB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil#Grading_and_classification

A1 is a size standard for a sheet of paper

[Anonymous No.1756010]

>>1756004
>A1
>Wut?

The letters and numbers just indicate how hard or soft the pencils are. "B" is for soft and "H" is for hard, with the numbers indicating how hard or soft the pencil is.

"HB" is right in the middle between hard and soft.

[Anonymous No.1756022]

So I learned how to look at stuff and then draw lines to make a representation of that stuff.
What's next? I feel like I might want to learn using more than just the "sketch" and "eraser hard" tools before moving on to something that requires shading or volume or color. And while I'm at it, I should probably learn about layers and cropping and selections and all that stuff. Is there something like an "idiots guide to digital art workflow"? Literally all I can do right now is make lines.

[Anonymous No.1756028]

I'm still shit tier but atleast i am getting better

[Anonymous No.1756113]

Give me your worst.

[Anonymous No.1756191]

>>1756113
I dunno, they seem pretty good, have you been doodling for some time before learning the fundementals?

[Anonymous No.1756218]

>>1756191
Yes. Too long.

I'm just going to dump everything I drew even if it's a couple of days old I don't care. I need to know what I can do to git gud.

[Anonymous No.1756310]

Give your worst too /ic/

>>1755102
The guide helped me a lot to understand the features

[Anonymous No.1756314]

>>1756310
Here is the no so blurry version

[Anonymous No.1756393]

Dead thread? Thinking about starting a new one.

[Anonymous No.1756645]

>>1756314
That birth mark seems to ignore his faces 3 dimensions, it seems plastered on a flat plane, so it ruins the illusion of space.

>>1756393
Yeah i can make a new one.

[Anonymous No.1756655]

>>1756645
>>1756393
NEW THREAD
>>1756653
NEW THREAD