Alternative Art/Stylization General

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Alternative Art/Stylization General Anonymous Mon May 26 23:08:14 2014 No.1738270 [Reply] [Original]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"Perspective may not teach you how to draw the figure but you may never draw the figure without perspective."

Previous Thread: >>1733388

A general message to aspiring artists: Fear is the mind killer. Do not be afraid to make mistakes as no one is perfect, you will make mistakes. Learn from those mistakes, break from your comfort zones and explore new horizons.

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: >tfw no art dominus.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:23:58 2014 No.1738277 >>1738198

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:35:05 2014 No.1738281 I'm pissed off and I hate everything I draw ..time to find some inspiration I guess

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:36:54 2014 No.1738282 File: 86 KB, 511x330, 1368246799947.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738281

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:43:40 2014 No.1738284 >>1738282 If I'm not the flower there's no point in existing.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:49:36 2014 No.1738286 >>1738284 You'll become the flower in due time, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon May 26 23:55:42 2014 No.1738290 File: 211 KB, 546x1464, sketch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738284 Chin up Anon just pull through you can do it.

Anonymous Tue May 27 00:06:29 2014 No.1738295
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Hey, this is my first time venturing to /ic/, so please bear with me, and keep in mind I'm fully aware that I have a lot to learn. But yeah I just finished this drawing of a shitty shameless self-insert OC for a video game concept I like to wishfully think about in my spare time
tell me what you goys think

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:22:51 2014 No.1738304 >>1738295 this is what happens whe you skip leg day

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:24:02 2014 No.1738305 >>1738284 keep being an asshole to yourself and you'll be a cheap ass flower that gardeners pull out.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:25:08 2014 No.1738306 >>1738304 >le

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:28:00 2014 No.1738309 >>1738304 Are you saying that the legs are like badly proportioned or that he's topheavy pls i want 2 get gud

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:31:05 2014 No.1738311 >>1738309 legs look way too long and thin, yes simply does not please my eye, it's awkward looking

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:35:03 2014 No.1738312 File: 68 KB, 1181x1083, 0033.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:36:25 2014 No.1738313 >>1738312 You know, you're starting to grow on me. Now tell me your place to find your other stuff already.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 00:40:37 2014 No.1738318 >>1738313 I like to think he's drawing all these to decorate a giant wall or something

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:02:29 2014 No.1738330 File: 167 KB, 445x675, sads.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How is this looking so far?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:08:09 2014 No.1738334 Why are these the only generals without /ic/user created op image?

Anonymous Tue May 27 01:22:33 2014 No.1738344

>>1738334
There has been images created by the users, and there is a constant flux of decent images to use as the OP, but for some reason the dude that starts the threads does not use them, I believe he wants permision from the authors, and some autistic faggots actually complaint about the quality of the pictures used as OP.
>autism 101

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 01:50:49 2014 No.1738351 >>1738290 Mikufag, is that truly you? If so, I'd like to tell you something.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 03:35:38 2014 No.1738388 >>1738330 I'd fuk er

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 08:54:42 2014 No.1738473 >>1738330 legs are too long.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:09:12 2014 No.1738480 >>1738284 You can't just suddenly become the flower, you idiot. You grow into it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:27:22 2014 No.1738487 >>1738480 >>1738282 >>1738284 >/Ic/ It's about becoming Flowers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 09:57:33 2014 No.1738492 >>1738351 Hi hi

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 12:04:01 2014 No.1738555 >>1738492 Not same anon but if that sketch is yours then you've improved quite a bit. Keep it up!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 12:26:22 2014 No.1738571 >>1738487 It's a nice metaphor and we all want to be pretty :3

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 12:28:00 2014 No.1738572 >>1738571 Make me pretty, Anon.

Anonymous Tue May 27 12:42:06 2014 No.1738582
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>>1738555
Thank you but I am using a reference though I can't draw from imagination that well enough yet. I try not to reference it completely I just need an idea for the pose or the gesture.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 13:35:13 2014 No.1738620 Implying using reference is bad

Anonymous Tue May 27 13:48:53 2014 No.1738629

>>1738582
I used to be like that, its when you know your proportions and all but you just can't figure out how people stand and move.
You should do gestures with the focus on memorizing how people balance their bodies and how they move, just because you are
used in seeing them, doesn't mean that you know it. Do one from ferecence and one from imagination, compare what you forgot in the process.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 13:51:29 2014 No.1738633 >>1738620 Using reference to get that hand right, or that foot right or to add a bigger leven of information to your anatomy is not bad, but if you can't draw a simple figure from imagination to save your life, then yes it's bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 13:56:40 2014 No.1738637 Nothing new actually, but let me know, /ic/, what do you think about proportions of her legs? >>1738144 I mean, is the knees too low?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 14:10:03 2014 No.1738641 >>1738582 >I can't draw from imagination that well enough yet. and you never will be. because you never try. i keep telling you: sketch more

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 14:15:37 2014 No.1738643 >>1738633 One of the methods to ensure that 'a simple figure from imagination' can be drawn is to use references and study them first.

Anonymous Tue May 27 14:26:45 2014 No.1738648

>>1738643
Why are you mixing up creative work from imagination? yes that's obvious that you will be studying them, those are both my posts >>1738629
>>1738633 Studying is always frome reference or life, but if you are trying to invent a figure and you need reference to even get going then
there is something wrong with you, you can't be creative and draw what you imagine if you have to spend 20 minutes googling photographs.

Anonymous Tue May 27 14:56:56 2014 No.1738661
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i'm going to regret this tomorrow
going all out and tyring to give her lips in <- and -> is still trying to keep her "moe" but at this point i think i'm just way too tired to think straight

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 14:58:33 2014 No.1738664 >>1738641 >autist >troll >faggot >mikucunt >nazi pick 5

Anonymous Tue May 27 15:01:03 2014 No.1738667

>>1738648
It's okay to refer to references to make sure what you pulled from imagination looks right. And it's okay to use references for you to get going.
I think we have the same opinion on this matter, but some of the things you say sound too dramatic.
>if you are trying to invent a figure and you need reference to even get going then
there is something wrong with you

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:07:14 2014 No.1738671 File: 58 KB, 293x569, best lu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1737787

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:17:12 2014 No.1738678 File: 294 KB, 1155x762, 1401217016917R.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738661 Try seeing more works from artists you like. Even better, do studies of female heads so you'll understand where to place and shade the facial features.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:17:28 2014 No.1738679 >>1738661 We are looking at her from a straight, slightly below angle, yet her mouth is closer to her chin than her nose. Move the mouth closer to the nose.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 15:39:17 2014 No.1738694 >>1738661 jesus blend in some of those values it looks like shes made of the thing that candles are made of.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 16:09:10 2014 No.1738711 >>1738664 >nazi what

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 16:23:44 2014 No.1738718 File: 61 KB, 600x707, reich.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738711 She thinks I am National Socialist.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 18:46:02 2014 No.1738813 File: 70 KB, 918x961, 0037.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 18:51:49 2014 No.1738817 >>1738813 So DO you ever draw anything other than those stupid faces?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:17:44 2014 No.1738833 Well...I don't know how that happened, but I kinda got around 45k views in a day for this: http://imgur.com/stTn0RI

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:18:48 2014 No.1738834 >>1738833 How the fuck...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:22:47 2014 No.1738838 >>1738833 >>1738834 Samefag. And I like the way you posted the link to get more views and stroke instead of simply posting the image here :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:26:11 2014 No.1738842 >>1738838 try again

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:27:32 2014 No.1738845 >>1738838 this was to show the views, not increase them. not like the 10 people on /ic/ are gonna change something anyway, retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:27:37 2014 No.1738846 >>1738838 >samefag Look at the post times though.

Anonymous Tue May 27 19:27:58 2014 No.1738847
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>>1738678
When I saw this it reminded me of you. My sides went Chernobyl and couldn't help but spread the lulz here. I love your delicious /fit/ girls but pic related is cringe worthy.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 19:28:26 2014 No.1738848 >>1738838 If I was him, why would I insult his shitty picture for undeservedly getting 40k views? You're some special kind of retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:20:30 2014 No.1738868 >>1738833 > implying your typical LoL player has any semblance of taste > inb4 jelly

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 20:57:27 2014 No.1738893 File: 450 KB, 1000x563, 20657073.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738678 I love NEGI's Rin and have constantly tried to transfer the likeness of his Rin to a more realistic style, but no dice.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:12:08 2014 No.1738900 File: 647 KB, 243x199, 1393873611696.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738847

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:28:31 2014 No.1738904 File: 552 KB, 1500x1500, Babyfeets.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Look at this FEETus. Look at his little toe-toes. This was a doodle but I love him.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:28:56 2014 No.1738905 why is she in lingerie? am I supposed to be looking at porn here?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 21:30:25 2014 No.1738908 >>1738905 It was clearly made by a Woman to empower others. Be proud Femanon.

Anonymous Tue May 27 22:36:41 2014 No.1738929

>>1738492

Mikufag, you may not remember me but I remember you. I was the anon who would constantly tell you to learn perspective and read Perspective Made Easy. I just thought I'd tell you that you've made substantial progress from when you first started here. I just wanted to encourage you to keep progressing. And never forget: even the tiniest of progress is still progress.

Never quit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:42:33 2014 No.1738931 >>1738908 Is that your excuse for saving not-porn. >b-b-b-but it's empowering art!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:52:18 2014 No.1738936 File: 159 KB, 689x820, screenshot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738929 Yeah I remember you thank you for telling me that over and over again. I hope you'll do the same thing to the next guy who wants to learn.

>>	Mr.lonewolf Tue May 27 22:56:51 2014 No.1738939 >>1738936 indeed you improved well, so ? did you find flipping your canvas horizontally useful ?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 22:59:06 2014 No.1738941 >>1738939 Yep I'm rotating it and everything now

>>	Anonymous Tue May 27 23:02:18 2014 No.1738945 File: 113 KB, 1920x1080, test.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried to play around with colors. I don't know what i'm doing. time to find rendering and color tutorials. I'm still doing loomis.

Anonymous Tue May 27 23:37:10 2014 No.1738960
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Can someone help me with the proportions? The legs, specifically. I can't find a reference of a leg in that position from that angle so I'm having trouble (bent knee, close to body, aerial view). A redline or quick repaint would be awesome.

I know the perspective of the furniture and stuff are wonky.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 01:17:37 2014 No.1739015 >>1738945 You should really get drawing down before you start focusing on colors

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 01:37:52 2014 No.1739019 File: 57 KB, 600x300, shouting from a car.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >hey nice drawings faggot!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 01:44:59 2014 No.1739021 File: 609 KB, 1920x1080, 1400360132858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739019 >Where are those nice drawings of yours, faggot?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 02:39:52 2014 No.1739042 File: 17 KB, 321x300, 13 angry_driver_shouting_out_car_window_pe0068121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739019 >>1739021 >I bet you faggots don't even loomis!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 02:48:04 2014 No.1739048 File: 59 KB, 509x336, shouting from a car 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739042 >>1739021 >>1739019 >vilppu thou

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 05:02:54 2014 No.1739091 >>1739019 >>1739021 >>1739042 >>1739048 HAHAHA OMG STAHP YUR 2 FUNNY XDDD

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 06:29:10 2014 No.1739139 Just give it up you fucktards Face reality, doing this dumb shit won't get you anywhere at all, might as well quit and do something else that's actually useful

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 06:33:57 2014 No.1739144 >>1738847 MUSCLES DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 06:39:21 2014 No.1739146 >>1739139 one day i'll feel useful like you

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 06:41:48 2014 No.1739147 >>1739144 >what is style

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 06:44:50 2014 No.1739148 >>1739144 It's alright, it's fictional

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 07:04:36 2014 No.1739156 >>1739139 Some people draw for fun, you know

>>	GreyDeath Wed May 28 08:09:16 2014 No.1739178 File: 113 KB, 671x1200, AT140528.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Haven't had some Dirty Pair in a while. Have some Dirty Pair. Retreading old idea in my head, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 08:12:12 2014 No.1739180 File: 195 KB, 900x900, octopus wizard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have at it guys.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 09:39:46 2014 No.1739236 >>1739178 How do I draw 80s anime girls?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 10:02:01 2014 No.1739244 >>1738270 Goddamn this picture is fucking retarded. LIke, where is the gun even coming from? Why are her fucking pants coming down? What a goddamned waste of kill. This pictures makes 0 sense.

Anonymous Wed May 28 10:06:44 2014 No.1739247

>>1739244
Also this is a terrible choice for alternative art and stylization. The only thing going for this picture is that its actually convincingly realistic. The girls body is the closest thing to what girls actually look like from what I've seen on the entirety of /ic/ and the face is non animued and non styled

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 10:13:26 2014 No.1739249 >>1739247 >>1739244 >implying these threads are anything but dripping puss filled cancer. We have to put the garbage somewhere...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 10:21:46 2014 No.1739258 >>1739249 Not saying that 4chan is anything but this, but these posts are really demoralizing. You are not going to weed out the competition you feel by shitting on 20 other artists on /ic/. It just makes everyone feel like shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 10:25:16 2014 No.1739259 >>1739249 You're a bit late to the hate train m8

Anonymous Wed May 28 10:33:58 2014 No.1739263

>>1739244
if you look closely, there is a kind of hint of a backpack thing behind her back

main problem here is the delivery really. the design of the weapon should at least show the mechanism more.

looks real purdy but will make /k/ go apeshit.

looks like what the koreans would draw

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 10:37:18 2014 No.1739264 >>1739258 >18 images >6 of them reaction images >the rest is pure shit, attempts to copy not draw >artists/competition No. >cancer Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 10:57:05 2014 No.1739280 >>1739264 okay, but for what purpose? Does it make you feel better? You're the ones making the posts without drawings you know.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 11:01:58 2014 No.1739284 >>1739236 Sure as fuck not like that. It's more of an ugly hybrid style in the form of that faggot Otaking.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 11:17:11 2014 No.1739290 >>1739178 Its literally just the hair. afro = 80s Personally I think you draw well, though

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 11:33:45 2014 No.1739300 File: 272 KB, 580x516, chart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739236 study the 80s anime that you like.

Anonymous Wed May 28 13:03:24 2014 No.1739339

>>1739300
It's sad to see that the cost-cutting simplifications they use in anime have spilled over the anime style in general. It goes to show how shallow commercial artists can be when that's what guides them, and those are the traits they adopt.

I suppose the same can be said for American animation, with all the simplified, stylistic garbage they shat out in the 90s in order to cut costs, with Batman being the most obvious perpetrator. No need to worry about anatomy or details, when nothing is more complicated than the simplest geometrical shapes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:09:07 2014 No.1739342 >>1739339 these are trends. notice how even graphic design is getting more minimal. Plus it looks more realistic compared to the old ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:09:37 2014 No.1739343 >>1739339 That's just an opinion, though. I legitimately think that the current generic 'moe' style looks a lot better than the generic style of the late 80s and early 90s, and trust me, I was all over shit like Saber Marionette J.

Anonymous Wed May 28 13:22:27 2014 No.1739347

>>1739342
>these are trends.

Stylistic trends based on making animation cheaper are not good trends.

>Plus it looks more realistic compared to the old ones.

Are you insane? Or do you genuinely believe that the face being a flat surface with huge eyes, a dot for a nose and a line for the mouth are realistic?
The old designs may have been cartoony, but at least they had cheek bones, noses, lips and socketed eyes.

>>1739343
>I legitimately think that the current generic 'moe' style looks a lot better than the generic style of the late 80s and early 90s

Well, if you're watching moe anime at your age, your opinions are largely invalid. Also, SMJ is a shitty example, due to its extremely exaggerated style... but hey, I guess that further solidifies your terrible taste.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:28:59 2014 No.1739349 File: 91 KB, 600x375, sad-anime-girl-t3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] don't know when it became a thing but double mouths make me sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:31:01 2014 No.1739353 File: 192 KB, 500x563, 1339854060576.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739347 This is you.

Anonymous Wed May 28 13:31:27 2014 No.1739354

>>1739339
bullshit. that particular style came into being because it's much cuter.
it doesn't have as many angular shapes and not as many uneeded details either.

that being said, it's not like details just died out with this style. 90 style still lives on in other artists, except it's improved and not as goofy looking.
it's just a different way of stylization.
and if you think about it, the modern style makes much more sense too. it's just more subtle.
>top of the head
>volume of the hair
>cheeks
>eyes
with the modern one, all of those are more "human" looking than the old 90 style, which was stll developing.

it doesn't have much to do with cost. the style itself evolved from a wildly angular to a more carefully curved style.
in that image both are extreme examples though. to me, "good" is somewhere in the middle

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:32:18 2014 No.1739355 >>1739347 Whether you think my taste is bad or not, none of that really changes the fact that what you think is only opinion.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:38:59 2014 No.1739358 >>1739347 No the new direction took off because it's a lot more visually appealing and is more anatomically and proportionally correct.

Anonymous Wed May 28 13:46:58 2014 No.1739360

>>1739354
>bullshit. that particular style came into being because it's much cuter.

Wow, you actually believe this? The style came around because it's cheaper to animated. Fewer details, less shading, less depth perception.
The demographic also changed, to appeal to socially retarded shutins who substitute cartoons for real people. The vast majority of modern anime can roughly be divided in two: moe shows that either pander to pedos or waifu-faggots, and wildly exaggerated action shows that pander to kids and manchildren with ADD.

> the style itself evolved from a wildly angular to a more carefully curved style.
Fuck off. At least try to use arguments that are remotely true. 90s styles weren't wildly angular. I'm guessing you're a kid who never actually experienced the age, if you're going to drag out a tiny minority of shows that in no way represent the average style back then.
The average shows would be Evangelion, Tenchi Muyo, Patlabor and so on.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:48:35 2014 No.1739361 People come here to learn how to draw. Copying anime =/= learning how to draw Copying anime=acquiring poor habits that stunt artistic growth=Cancer

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:51:03 2014 No.1739362 >>1739361 Quit crying and hide the thread asshole

Anonymous Wed May 28 13:54:12 2014 No.1739363

>>1739355
No, it's a fact. Corner cutting is a fact that has been confirmed by several animation studios. It's also blatantly obvious to any sane human being who knows the first thing about the real world. There's a reason animation has been outsourced to cheaper countries for decades.
It's also a fact that idiots tend to copy what is popular at the time. So whatever the animators do, whether it's for stylistic or budget reasons, will be adopted by the thoughtless masses.

>>1739358
So you believe real people have smooth heads with absolutely no features? The sad thing is, you're probably not even a troll.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 13:57:31 2014 No.1739364 >>1739363 Why are you even here Why do you force your shitty opinions on people who don't want them just because you can? Why are you such an asshole?

Anonymous Wed May 28 13:58:25 2014 No.1739365

>>1739360
The general level of art in japan got a lot better in the last decade, and if you can't see that you are just
pretending. People that gave a fuck about anatomy and fundamentals in manga back then where a small minority.
Look at the hentai industry, it never was to this level never before, people were literally used to masturbate to
anime faced marionetes back then.

>>1739363
>So you believe real people have smooth heads
Have you ever seen a human with a bean shaped face? and with eclipses for eyes? we are talking about general
level of art quality, and today's animu art is in a lot better state than before, in almost every medium.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 14:02:39 2014 No.1739366 >>1739363 >So you believe real people have smooth heads with absolutely no features? Asians.

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:03:22 2014 No.1739367

>>1739360
>moe shows, pedos, waifu-faggots, manchildren
> if you're watching moe anime at your age

Oh boy you have it all, why do i get the feeling that you are not even arguing about art quality in general but about your own ideological connection to art?

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:14:56 2014 No.1739370

>>1739364
Yeah, fuck expressing opinions, rights?

>>1739365
>People that gave a fuck about anatomy and fundamentals in manga back then where a small minority.

You got that backwards. Quality requirements were higher back then, at least when the budget didn't shit up production. The reason hentai was shit at the time, is because the otaku fanbase was considerably smaller and anime wasn't watched exclusively by otaku.

>and today's animu art is in a lot better state than before

The main difference in quality today is largely a result of the fanbase and the number of artists being many many times larger. All these artists also have access to computers, wacom tablets and Photoshop. I'll admit there are good artists who do individual pieces, but if you look at manga and anime, the standards are shockingly low.
As I already mentioned, animators and directors have come out and said how depressed they are at the state of anime, and that they have to shit out poorly made ecchi anime in order to keep the studio going.

Your opinions imply that you're a kid who is defending the current generation of anime, simple because it's what you know and what you've grown up with. I doubt there's any actual reasoning behind anything you say. It's like some young girl being convinced that her parents have awful taste in music, and the ol' Justin Bieber is the pinnacle of music.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 14:17:02 2014 No.1739371 File: 157 KB, 536x1463, copy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739349 So instead of arguing over cheap tricks and double mouths and flounder faces why wont we do something about it and either invent forms to fit Animu?

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:18:17 2014 No.1739372

>>1739367
>Oh boy you have it all, why do i get the feeling that you are not even arguing about art quality in general but about your own ideological connection to art?

Are you implying they're not connected, or something? Are you saying the art wouldn't be impacted when you have to create a higher volume of content and switch to a demographic of socially retarded shutins?

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:24:01 2014 No.1739375

>>1739370
No i was into anime my whole life i have gone through the 90's phase quite well and i just have to say that
even though at least in anime, it's hard to find any stories to take seriously, (even though i enjoy the moe ones quite a lot)
I like the art a lot more than back then, tis just more visually appealing to me.

>The style came around because it's cheaper to animated
But it's cuter isn't it?

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:28:03 2014 No.1739378
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>>1739363
>So you believe real people have smooth heads with absolutely no features? The sad thing is, you're probably not even a troll.
you're not getting it. like i said, it's just more subtle.
and if you think about it, can be simplified into pretty smooth ovals. a pointy chin and cheeks that look more like cheekbones aren't necessary better simplifications of the human face. no matter what style, the stylization is much more subtle than it was a decade ago.

again, just compare the features, even in: >>1739300
which cheeks actually REMIND you more of human cheeks? (they definitely remind me of my little sisters cheeks)
chich head shape actually REMIND you more of a human head?
and again, that image just shows the extreme examples, but it shows in what way things have changed.
everything is more subtle and there is less focus on things being angular and more focus on things like flow and gesture.
of course, shit artists are still gonna be shit, but "style" in general definitely evolved.

from the sound of it you are just hardcore nostalgiafagging. pic related
in terms of STYLE, most styles today look much more thoughtful then they did before. at least the ceiling grew by a lot.
maybe as an animunostalgiafag you don't understand it, but as a mangafag myself it is very very obvious. it has developed in every way.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 14:29:20 2014 No.1739381 >>1739375 >But it's cuter isn't it? No, it's sterile and devoid of personality. I stopped watching back in 2004, which was 4 years too late. I still draw the shit, though, but try to focus on evolving the old style, rather than adopting the new style.

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:33:18 2014 No.1739387
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>>1739381
I grabbed the most random new animu image i could find, on another board.
Please explain to me why this is sterile and devoid of personality and this >>1739378 isnt.
I honestly can't understand your criteria

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:34:54 2014 No.1739388

>>1739381
But the new is more round, with less sharp edges
And thinner lines makes their skin look softer
These charactiristics are like a baby's
You're biologically expected to think babies are cute
Therefore the new style is scientifically cuter
Your opinion is invalid

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 14:41:58 2014 No.1739394 >>1739387 because the image you posted is generic garbage. like i said, boring, generic or shit artists are still going be such, but style and the way artsts stylize has evolved over the years.

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:41:59 2014 No.1739395

>>1739378
>like i said, it's just more subtle.
It's less subtle. Modern anime have fewer features to work with, because they're basically just ball with a set of huge eyes. All subtlety is ripped away, because it has to be exaggerated so badly.

That being said, the personality in modern anime is just gone. I don't know if it's the result of digitalization or the people involved being retarded, but the characters are stripped of depth, personality and individuality, so the humor doesn't work.
Watch Golden Boy, an incredibly low brow eccho show from the 90s. Despite what it is, it's full of personality and the character animation is extremely expressive.

>again, just compare the features
That's not an accurate representation. That being said, the one on the right looks like it has Down's syndrome. The face has no features. The face is a completely flat surface, and the expression is blank and devoid of character.

>everything is more subtle and there is less focus on things being angular and more focus on things like flow and gesture.
Again, everything here is just wrong. It's not more subtle. It's the opposite. It's been dumbed down and simplified to the point where they no longer look remotely human. Subtlety comes from a simplification and refinement of reality, but the new style takes it way too far. The Simpsons is also extremely simplified, but it's far from subtle.
As for flow and gesture, once again you're way off the mark. Modern animators can't animate hair. It's just a blob of plastic. Lines are thick and sterile, without variation.

>hardcore nostalgiafagging
Yeah, you faggots sure like to use that term.

>in terms of STYLE, most styles today look much more thoughtful then they did before. at least the ceiling grew by a lot.

I can't even imagine what kind of warped mind would think this. Why are you even on this board? I've already pointed out that even the people in the industry hate the state of modern anime.

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:48:16 2014 No.1739400
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>>1739387
I'm not this guy: >>1739394

That being said, your picture is terrible. Notice the line quality. All the lines are exactly the same thickness.
Look at the lack of detail in the shading. It's just slapped on here and there, and doesn't follow the details of her outfit. Notice the lack of depth and detail in her outfit. There are almost no folds, and the folds that are there make no sense.
Look at the face. The eyes don't fit into the sockets on her head. In fact. none of the features of her face look like part of her face. They look like decals, stuck unevenly onto a flat surface. She has no brow, no cheeks, no nose and no mouth.
Also, the hair. It's just a blob of plastic with hastily slapped on shading. Look at the spikes in the hair. There's no flow, just jagged edges. Look at her hand.

Christ...

Compare it to Ryoko.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 14:49:19 2014 No.1739403 >>1739388 >These charactiristics are like a baby's Just like it's audience, apparently.

Anonymous Wed May 28 14:56:50 2014 No.1739409

>>1739395
but we are talking about STYLE and not the state of anime you faggotron.
this is why i made the manga comparison. it is apparent in that field.

again, first: shit artists are gonna be shit, so bad stuff will still exist, but the ceiling is higher.
and second, just like the other said, that emotion is purely your opinion. it works for you because you bought into the style (and all it's mistakes). just like other might do with >>1739387
to me that rei image looks derpy as fuck.

are you saying all this just as an anime watcher or do you understand it from a drawing standpoint as well?
because all the things you are talking about are more about production value rather than art.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 14:57:32 2014 No.1739410 File: 493 KB, 496x279, 1349650103705.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] John K arguing about calarts ITT

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:01:47 2014 No.1739412
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>>1739400
You are comparing the ability of one artist to the ability of another and not the styles itself.
Newer anime styles can be a lot more anatomically correct than old ones and they will still look
way cuter.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:07:56 2014 No.1739416

>>1739409
>but we are talking about STYLE and not the state of anime you faggotron.

No, you complete moron. At least follow the fucking conversation. This whole thing started when I pointed out that anime had devolved and been simplified as a RESULT of the state of anime and how it's produced.

Yes, there are great individual artists, and most of them don't follow the modern standards of anime. But that's not what we're discussing. We're discussing the whole, and in particular the average.

As for the Rei image, no, it's not great. However, Evangelion was a show made on a tight budget, and has plenty of animation flaws. That being said, it's still far more expressive than the vast majority of anime produced today, and some of the visuals are fantastic.
There are also episodes draped in personality and fun animation.

As for Rei, she's the prototype for a lot of the shitty moe characters that followed in her wake, all of which failed to capture what made her an interesting character to begin with.

>are you saying all this just as an anime watcher or do you understand it from a drawing standpoint as well?
I've been drawing it since 2000, but stopped watching a decade ago, apart from a handful of shows.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:10:18 2014 No.1739418 >>1739412 >Newer anime styles can be a lot more anatomically correct than old ones and they will still look way cuter. Just shut the fuck up, troll.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:14:56 2014 No.1739420

>>1739416
>We're discussing the whole, and in particular the average.
No, you are trying to pass your option that the older style looks and IS better because it's more technically and visually
correct, but newer anime styles or moe or however you want to call them can also follow the fundamentals
if the artist is capable, and to my opinion they look a lot better.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:18:48 2014 No.1739422

>>1739420
>No, you are trying to pass your option that the older style looks and IS better

It's not an opinion. Regardless of your poor taste, the older style is technically more advanced and has more detail.

Your argument basically boils down to the fact that you prefer overtly simplistic, childish styles and that you want to watch shows where the characters look like babies.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:19:53 2014 No.1739423
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>>1739416
>and some of the visuals are fantastic.
>There are also episodes draped in personality and fun animation.

I can say that about K-On as well. I think their faces look much better than the keyshit like Haruhi for example, the eyes are lifeless.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:21:55 2014 No.1739428 >>1739423 >I can say that about K-On as well. No you can't. The animation in K-On is based on reducing the quality of each individual frame, so that the animation appears smoother. And why the fuck are you watching K-On?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:23:49 2014 No.1739432 >>1739428 So? It's great animation. Not everything has to be extra detailed to look good. >why the fuck are you watching K-On Fun things are fun. It's a great SoL in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:25:10 2014 No.1739435 >>1739432 You make me want to cry.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:27:50 2014 No.1739436

>>1739422
And your argument boils down to the fact that you prefer more detailed characters even if that makes them uglier.
As long as you keep basic proportions and fundamentals intact, you can stylize to death, the new decade of
anime managed to make bring out the best of a human face and make the characters prettier and cuter.
>>1739400 This girl is ugly as fuck compared to almost any new material that you will find in anime now.

>>1739435
You only like dark and "mature" anime i suppose?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:28:23 2014 No.1739437 >>1739435 see >>1739353 Even as someone who thinks moeshit is trash I think you're a fucking miserable twat.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:30:06 2014 No.1739439 >>1739436 Don't respond to this faggot anon. A single in between frames of K-ON! is better than anything Disney ever made.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:30:56 2014 No.1739440 File: 296 KB, 616x858, ketladi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I color and finish it or do I just fuck it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:31:23 2014 No.1739441 >>1739435 Lighten up.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:31:30 2014 No.1739442 [DELETED]

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>>1739412
that's style is actually fashioned from BJD which is fashioned from 80's anime rendered realistically, angel alita being the best example of the style it comes from. the nose style definitely looks like from 80s as well which is well known as having some shadow in the side. just sayan.

not the guy you're arguing with.

maybe I shouldn't have posted that 90s 00s chart pic.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:31:33 2014 No.1739443 >>1739428 >valuing frame detail over animation quality. >pointing out detail economy on animation as if it was a strange thing at all Kill yourself you worthless piece of trash.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:34:48 2014 No.1739445

>>1739436
>even if that makes them uglier.
No, I'm saying that I prefer more detail, as I'm not a 9-year old child. There's a difference between simplifying and streamlining reality, and just going full retard and making nonsenscial characters that would make no sense in three dimensions.

The fact that you're equating a lack of detail to cuteness speaks volumes about you. In fact, that you think cuteness is the only reason to watch anime is nothing short of astonishing. I have severe doubts that you're a well adjusted human being.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:36:03 2014 No.1739446 I haven't even seen these animes but a lot of you seem to be forgetting that detail isn't the same thing as quality and that "realistic" isn't the same thing as "believable"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:37:22 2014 No.1739447 >>1739446 and that "appealing" isn't the same thing as "cute"

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:38:48 2014 No.1739448

>>1739445
>going full retard and making nonsenscial characters that would make no sense in three dimensions.
>>1739445
>The fact that you're equating a lack of detail to cuteness speaks volumes about you. In fact, that you think cuteness is the only reason to watch anime is nothing short of astonishing. I have severe doubts that you're a well adjusted human being.

If you're going to make provably false statements and just shove words into other people's mouths the only person you make look like a retard is yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:40:10 2014 No.1739449 File: 55 KB, 550x800, 73872e9c6eac063cb8a71d21e3c3a2cf[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739448 Whoops, forgot image.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:42:05 2014 No.1739454 >>1739440 just color for the sake of it then start anew afterwards.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:42:15 2014 No.1739455

>>1739446
The thing with modern anime is that it just chucks all the basics out the window. Anime designs no longer makes logical sense, in that many figures can't actually exist in three dimensions. If you look at figures based on modern moe anime, you'll notice the vast majority look like shit, because they're trying to represent something in 3d that can't be done.

The simplification has gone too far. The structure makes no sense. There are no jawlines, no mouths, no noses and the eyes are plastered on top of a smooth surface, rather than being inserted into socket in the skull.
Now imagine someone trying to learn by drawing something that can't exist in three dimensions? Of course his perception is going to be fucked up.

Just look at the nonsensical retards above and the shit they're spewing. It's no wonder anime fans have become universally reviled. They're reaching MLP levels of idiocy.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:43:35 2014 No.1739456 >>1739403 You seem to implying that moe fans are cute

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:44:06 2014 No.1739457

>. At least follow the fucking conversation.
no you idiot, you were talking about how anime STYLE "devolved" because of your bogus reasons, and i was telling you that your problems had nothing to do with style.
you not liking moe shows doesn't mean that moe shows would be better if they had 90s style, do you understand?

>Yes, there are great individual artists, and most of them don't follow the modern standards of anime.
>modern standards of anime
who the hell cares about the standards of anime? we're talking about artstyles here.
and you say average, but the "average" in the 90s was SHIT just as it is now, nostalgiafag.

>rei and evangelion excuses
yes, and there have been tons of impressive visuals created since then

also: you stopped watching a decade ago and pretend to be the expert here, and then you wonder why you're called a nostalgiafag?

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:44:10 2014 No.1739458

>>1739448
Why do you always turn the conversation to actual anime shows? we are talking about visuals.
And as i said, someone who know his fundamentals can create modern style anime that make
sense in 3D, so your only argument is that you don't like moe anime and that you don't like the style.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:45:28 2014 No.1739459 >>1739448 Heh, you're actually proving my point, you imbecile. The eyes are painted on, and her jaw is all fucked up.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:49:40 2014 No.1739464

>>1739457
>you not liking moe shows doesn't mean that moe shows would be better if they had 90s style, do you understand?

This has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at all.

>nostalgiafag
Ah, when young fanboys can't see beyond their own shitty tastes.

>you stopped watching a decade ago and pretend to be the expert here

Do you listen to every Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus album in order to determine whether you like them or not? Or is it something you intrinsically know, based on context and experience?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:49:56 2014 No.1739465 >>1739459 you're making one retarded point after another it's not like structural soundness needs to be dead tight in anime or cartooning. not to mention, it wasn't perfectly 3d before and it isn't now either.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:52:57 2014 No.1739467 File: 2.86 MB, 500x513, 1388518005217.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want /a/ to leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:54:45 2014 No.1739469 >>1739362 Some of us care about anon developing as artists. Fuck you in the mouth you cancerous piece of trash.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:55:19 2014 No.1739470
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>>1739458
You seem to have the wrong idea - I agree with you, thus the "provably false statement" and figma pic.
>>1739459
What point? That it can't exist in a three dimensional form that's true to the animation? Oh wait, no, because I obliterated that and you're coming back swinging with other shit to hide the fact that it CAN exist in 3D. And even the points you bring up in response are weaksauce nit-picking bullshit. Hey, I guess Astro-Boy is bad because his jaw doesn't make sense to you either, right? Yeah, you go ahead and take the one asshole.
>>1739464
>fanboys
Said it before and I'll say it again - moeshit is trash. And that has much less to do with the animation and far more to do with the content, or more precisely, the total lack thereof. I've yet to see anything so totally vapid and absolutely popular outside of - no, wait, scratch that. Pony shit is popular too.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:56:29 2014 No.1739471

>>1739464
>This has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at all.
you're not able to follow the argument. you say the style "devolved". so if those shows had 80-90s style again, you would surely like them again?

also YOURE NOT EVEN WATCHING ANYTHING. for a friggin decade nontheless.
what are you basing your opinions on other than nostalgia?

i'm of the same opinion as >>1739467 you sound like a non artist from /a/ that stu´mbled int an /ic/ thread. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't even draw do you?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 15:56:35 2014 No.1739472 >>1739469 If you did that you wouldn't be throwing around misconceptions and misinformation.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:57:14 2014 No.1739474

>>1739464
>his has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at all.
Of Course it does, you said that older anime styles are better as a fact,you the said that it's a fact because
it's technically better witch is nonsense as a skeled artist can draw in modern anime style and keep it
proportionaly correct, and also to make sekse in 3D as you said. And then you talked more about how you don't
like today's actual anime shows which has nothing to do with anything. You are trying to pass your options and tastes
as fact.

Anonymous Wed May 28 15:57:21 2014 No.1739475

>>1739465
No, I'm making one very good point that anime used to be an exaggeration and simplification of reality, but still based around realistic, conventional visual logic.
Now, the quality of the individual shows might vary for many reasons, but I'm primarily referring to intent here.

The fact that I'm being criticized on a fucking art board, for wanting character to have the absolute basic features of human anatomy, there's something really fucking wrong with the people here.

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:01:36 2014 No.1739478 File: 446 KB, 580x809, ketladycolor.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739454 Nailed it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:01:43 2014 No.1739480 >>1739477 I was wondering when you where going to show up.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:02:24 2014 No.1739481

>>1739470
>you're coming back swinging with other shit to hide the fact that it CAN exist in 3D

You blatantly proved that the character looked like shit, and had to have painted on, dead eyed decals to try to force an illusion of looking somewhat like its 2d counterpart.

>astroboy
Actually, Astroboy is perfectly able to be rendered in 3d, because he's designed logically. His head has a distinct shape. He has a brow, a nose and cheekbones.
Furthermore, you're pulling out one cartoon character from the past, in a discussion that focuses around the overall art direction of an entire medium? Great logic there.

>moeshit is trash.
Yet you defend it so desperately.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:05:57 2014 No.1739484

>>1739475
because you don't understand shit.
most styles if not all still do what you're saying, and it's especially apparent in manga.

what you're not understanding is that moe shows are their own subcategory that is centered around cuteness. so the simplification is different as well.
it's a niche that didn't exist in this way in the 90s.
yes, they are growing larger but that doesn't mean that other types of shows don't exist.
it's really like i'm arguing with an animebabby here.

bottom line is, you really shouldn't have talked about artstyles if you don't understand shit about it

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:07:29 2014 No.1739488

>>1739471
>you say the style "devolved". so if those shows had 80-90s style again, you would surely like them again?

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, what the fuck kind of retarded monologue is going on inside that empty head of yours?

>what are you basing your opinions on other than nostalgia?

Why do you keep going to this argument? I'm guessing it's some sort of bizarre projection? Plenty of the 90s shows I actually watched after I stopped watching modern anime. It has nothing to do with nostalgia.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:07:47 2014 No.1739489 >>1739469 i'm sure you're developing real well there

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:08:02 2014 No.1739490

>>1739481
>Actually, Astroboy is perfectly able to be rendered in 3d, because he's designed logically. His head has a distinct shape.
Are you fucking serious? He's obviously meant to be rendered exclusively in two dimensions, and his hair shows it most especially. What was rendered as being the same from any angle being fixed in space, and you have the balls to same it translates to 3d perfectly? You're fucking retarded.

Going further, Astro-Boy lacks a lot of the features you whine about modern anime not having, which is why I brought him up. His nose has no bridge, and his jaw makes no more or less sense than the figma, and his face is just as smoothed out. To priase the one while bashing the other makes you a hypocrite, and totally undermines everything you've said up to this point.

So, you know. Good job. Asshole.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:13:56 2014 No.1739500

>>1739484
Your whole post is full of bullshit that I never said anything about. I didn't bring up moe to begin with, I simply replied to it.
I was referring to the fact that the overall quality of anime, regardless of the theme of the show, has become more simplistic, and as a result, worse.

Here are some basic facts:
Salaries have gone way up in the Japanese animation industry, so a lot of stuff is outsourced.
The production load has increased. Far more anime has been produced after 2000 than before.
Modern anime is 100% digital.
Animation has become simpler, because it's easier and cheaper to animate.
The fanbase has changed, and manchildren have become one of the most important demographics for anime.

Do you honestly not see how this could affect the industry negatively?

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:16:30 2014 No.1739502

>>1739488
>not being able to follow the point to this extent.
i have the feeling that you have a complete understanding of what the concept of stylizing even means, seeing how you insist on 90s style being special.
see, this is why you shouldn't have brought your /a/ shit in here in the first place.
go back to drawing, or if you don't draw, get out already.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:19:48 2014 No.1739506

>>1739490
Dear god, you're such a fucking idiot.
The character consists of various simple geometrical shapes.
It's one character. For kids. It has nothing to do with the conversation.

I'm talking about the OVERALL state of anime, and that I don't appreciate that the OVERALL design in anime focuses on becoming less detailed, less varied and less realistic. Who the fuck is talking about one character from 60 years ago? I've never said it's a problem if some characters can't exist in three dimensions (which Astroboy ironically can, you blind faggot). I'm talking about an overall trend, of a whole generation of animation and its followers.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:20:09 2014 No.1739507

>>1739500
You spent half the thread trying to prove that the newer anime style is somehow
worse because it's technically inferior to the 90s witch ofcourse stands nowhere because
a skilled artist can stylize in a moe style and still follow all fundamentals, and now
you started talking about the industry.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:20:22 2014 No.1739508 >>1739500 you don't seem to understand that this is /ic/, nobody gives a shit about the anime industry, notice how all the replies to your first post were about the STYLE part of your post.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:22:09 2014 No.1739511 >>1739502 I don't go to /a/, you faggot. You bitch to me like a little kid, because you couldn't follow the conversation and had to make one up in your head in its place.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:25:23 2014 No.1739512

>>1739507
>you started talking about the industry.

Yes. Because if you had followed the conversation, you'd notice that my original argument was that the current trend of simplification, was a result of simplifying the art in anime in order to cut costs.

In other words, the quality and style of anime was deliberately lowered and simplified in order to cut costs. This new, simplified style was adopted by the fans of anime, because the next generation of artists take their style from what they grew up with or what's currently popular.

That was my entire fucking argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:28:08 2014 No.1739514 File: 178 KB, 888x675, 1360696069557.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guys. It's an image board. Show, don't tell. Show that you think anime=moeblob and old anime=studi ghibli

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:30:24 2014 No.1739518 >>1739512 So older styles are not better than new ones and it's just your option on what you find aesthetically pleasing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:30:31 2014 No.1739519 >>1739508 The comment was about why the style was simplified, numbnuts. It's to point out that the modern anime style is a result of cost cutting, and not a deliberate change of style. It's objectively a downgrade.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:32:28 2014 No.1739520 >>1739518 No, the new styles are essentially designed for mass produced budget anime.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:33:09 2014 No.1739522 >>1739520 But they look better

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:34:31 2014 No.1739523

>>1739512
>In other words, the quality and style of anime was deliberately lowered and simplified in order to cut costs. This new, simplified style was adopted by the fans of anime, because the next generation of artists take their style from what they grew up with or what's currently popular.

I agree with you, I've been lurking for the most part during this argument and the best evidence to support you is Deviant Art. Just look at the front page of Deviant Art and it's no wonder Anime is not taken seriously.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:37:09 2014 No.1739525

>>1739523
I'm confused, I hear everyone constantly make jokes about DA and whenever art is shit they call it "DA-tier"
Why is this? I went on DA and the first things I found on the front page were http://loish.deviantart.com/art/lemonade-456857405
and
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Shira-4-Mekanizer-Full-Version-456901896
I can't help but feel you guys exaggerate the whole "generic anime = DA" thing.

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:38:28 2014 No.1739528 >>1739522 Yes, and to an MLP faggot, MLP looks better. The opinions of fanboys are invalid.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:39:35 2014 No.1739531 >>1739526 ahahaha what

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:39:48 2014 No.1739532 >>1739525 That would be because you're looking at the most popular pieces in the last 24 hours Look at the "Newest" category

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:40:12 2014 No.1739533 why are you talking about anime style. Do you want to animate ? it has only this puprpose to do. Its manga style thats used for normal drawings and it viaries.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:40:46 2014 No.1739534 [DELETED]

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>>1739519
If that was the case then at least some people like in manga where evil animation directors don't exist
we would see manga done the same way that was done back then, but every stage changed and evolved,
semi realism is not gone, but it didn't stay the same either.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:42:45 2014 No.1739536 >>1739514 K-on and Ghibli are analogous as fuck that's a dumb comparison

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:44:51 2014 No.1739539 >>1739534 *isn't gone

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:45:09 2014 No.1739540 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx_TEVUbJ2o

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:47:10 2014 No.1739541 >>1739532 OH. Okay, then that makes complete sense. I thought you guys were trying to say that the majority of the popular art on DA is generic anime, hmh. Yeah, it's mostly the girls anyway.

Anonymous Wed May 28 16:49:41 2014 No.1739542
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>>1739525
If you are not aware of the fundamentals are have been overly exposed to budget cutting techniques to preserve Shekels and energy by not putting an effort to illustrate the figure from life then as a result you get a generation of Artists that mimic this attempt to save money thinking that they're doing it right but in reality are just clueless to what they are actually drawing.

As a result from trying to mimic budget cutting Animu you get very stiff figures, expressionless and somewhat uncanny faces, no perspective and well basically void of fundamentals.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:50:36 2014 No.1739543 >>1739528 man you are pretty fucking retarded aren't you. If the argument can be turned right around on you, it's not a good argument, Fanboy.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:51:42 2014 No.1739544 >>1739542 They're all the same face. Much like the same emoticon in most of Animu. If you've seen an anime face for the first time more than likely you've just seen the rest the great majority of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:51:44 2014 No.1739545 >>1739542 The more I know, huh. Thanks for this!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:56:29 2014 No.1739555 >>1739545 Heheh this dude added one of my drawings to his favorite and now I feel like a dick displaying his featured work on here as an example of bad fundamentals.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:57:19 2014 No.1739559 >>1739542 still better than most of /ic/.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 16:58:47 2014 No.1739563 >>1739559 It's sad but true.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:01:22 2014 No.1739566 >>1739555 I'd feel like a dick too, it's a shame because most of the scrap-together MSPaint shartists are reasonably alright people and were responsible for giving me that extra push.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:02:42 2014 No.1739569 File: 115 KB, 1024x683, faeron____by_princessfaeron-d6ld5l3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739555 You gotta dive deeper to find true artistry.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:07:08 2014 No.1739578 File: 786 KB, 900x1800, our_old_school_gaming_night_by_apocalypse1415-d6rhxwk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:09:11 2014 No.1739583 >>1739578 Believe me, I've dived deep enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:11:12 2014 No.1739589 File: 670 KB, 900x579, sanic_heor__s_v2_____by_xxsupercoolartistxx-d4rtv2i.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739578 >Cum on step it up!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:18:59 2014 No.1739597 >>1739543 Do you even know what a fanboy is, you complete and utter retard? I've criticized modern anime, not praised older anime. The world isn't black and white.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:22:59 2014 No.1739605 File: 2.12 MB, 2800x3522, ayyokhez.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How's this?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:25:08 2014 No.1739606 >>1739605 Very interesting design, for some reason it reminds me of Monster Hunter (it probably is, isn't it?) I can't really give proper critique but I can say I like the pose and the way you drew the face.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:26:11 2014 No.1739607 File: 320 KB, 1299x760, uh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] started doing some 30 minute pen tool studies to get better at lineart. I'm sorry its not anime but I can't.

Anonymous Wed May 28 17:32:30 2014 No.1739611

>>1739607
trust me bro, i'm glad it's not
love the art style, seems kinda gritty while maintaining a sense of lightheartedness
keep it up

as i said with the other guy i can't really give proper critique as i'm in major need of loomis, but all i can say it keep up the good work

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:41:44 2014 No.1739616 >>1739607 keep on rocking, buddy

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 17:51:56 2014 No.1739619 >>1739606 >>1739611 Why do you feel compelled to post? If you think you are increasing the value of these threads you are doing the opposite.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 18:10:26 2014 No.1739627 >>1739619 Are you jealous that I am not praising your works?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 18:10:42 2014 No.1739628 >>1739607 Did you use Photoshop? That kinda looks like that Painter tool I don't remember the name.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 18:11:53 2014 No.1739629 >>1739619 Dunno man he made me feel pretty happy for a couple fleeting moments

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 18:19:02 2014 No.1739632 What are you faggots bitching about this time?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 18:31:45 2014 No.1739644 File: 132 KB, 1713x1000, zkm0ad2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm sorry for being so slow.. Just finished the linework for the back today, will add some joints tomorrow, I think.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 19:02:41 2014 No.1739664 >>1739619 I'm increasing their morale, chill man. Someone else can come along and give them critique, we'll be like a tag team. I toss out compliments, the other anon tosses out critiques, so overall they feel good -and- learn to get better.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 19:09:40 2014 No.1739674 >>1739664 Please trip.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 19:15:39 2014 No.1739679 >>1739674 I might, just for the sake of tripfaggotry.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 19:33:05 2014 No.1739695 >>1739644 The area around her belly to crotch looks empty and odd. Kind of flat.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 20:20:02 2014 No.1739715 File: 799 KB, 2552x3305, img_by_obershutzewienman-d7k46m6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed May 28 20:26:56 2014 No.1739716
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>>1739628
I use manga studio 5, which has an ink tool that is really similar to painter's. I didn't like photoshop because I couldn't paint straight lines in it for some reason, everything kept ending up jagged.

Anonymous Wed May 28 20:43:56 2014 No.1739730
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only been drawing for a little while, wanna gitgud at drawing properly but I'm just having a good time drawing dumbass cartoons at the moment since I'm just starting out. tell me how I could do better pls

Anonymous Wed May 28 20:48:36 2014 No.1739733
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>>1739730

http://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-sketching-environments-imagination/dp/1933492732/ref=la_B0034O5O32_1_1/189-9735539-7687127?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401324444&sr=1-1

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 20:48:37 2014 No.1739734 File: 328 KB, 785x1080, halewip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] character design for a fantasy story I'm working on. Thoughts are appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 21:41:40 2014 No.1739752 >>1739730 stop drawing dumbass cartoons

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 22:45:43 2014 No.1739802 File: 896 KB, 1375x1447, img718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739605 She gave no quarter to men in retreat We have a duty to die; now off your feet May you meet death only in defeat

>>	Anonymous Wed May 28 22:51:52 2014 No.1739805 >>1739605 Pretty cool. Her body seems off to me, mainly where her neck attaches and her left arm. >>1739734 I dig this. Maybe go a little more ornate with the arms.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 01:49:30 2014 No.1739861 File: 1.57 MB, 2270x2080, emeraldSlagtoth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739605 Same guy reporting in, how's this? (worse prolly, but hey idk)

Anonymous Thu May 29 02:17:39 2014 No.1739875

>>1739734
the way you've drawn the nose in profile doesn't match the way it's drawn at other angles. the definition of the nasal bridge at the front/3/4ths angles suggests that his nose slopes outward from his face, whereas in profile it recedes completely into his skull until reaching the tip.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 02:24:22 2014 No.1739877 File: 1.24 MB, 1000x1000, 20140524c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey /ic

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 02:33:09 2014 No.1739878 >>1739877 Nice, reminds me of junji ito

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 03:02:05 2014 No.1739880 >>1739861 tone down the nose. It looks like a block glued to her face.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 03:03:34 2014 No.1739881 >>1739861 Youre almost miku-bad

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 03:58:48 2014 No.1739895 >>1739716 you was useing too high spacing in brush probably.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 04:00:37 2014 No.1739896 >>1739802 noice.

Anonymous Thu May 29 04:00:44 2014 No.1739897
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>>1739805
Thanks! Glad you dig, but could you elaborate on what you'd change about the arms?

>>1739875
Thanks for the crit. I was having some trouble with the nose. Hopefully, this is an improvement:

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 05:32:41 2014 No.1739921 File: 749 KB, 2048x1536, 1401355877125.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739897 How do you make it look like the same character?

Mr.lonewolf Thu May 29 05:46:45 2014 No.1739924

>>1739921
not for what you're asking but, from your hard lines, I can tell you really press on your pencil too hard, try lifting it a bit and let your pencil flow, your lines end in a square shape, it would need to end with a more fluid line, as if it's vanishing slowly. don't really know how to describe it. that comes from lifting your pencil more and more as you finish your line.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 06:10:41 2014 No.1739932 >>1739921 The person has an idea of how the character looks in THREE DIMENSIONS. Even cartoonists/anime artists should be thinking in 3D.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 06:24:13 2014 No.1739938 >>1739932 so how we do dat?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 06:36:02 2014 No.1739950 File: 554 KB, 1000x750, 14099697_p3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739938 draw things in 360 degree angle.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 06:40:40 2014 No.1739953 File: 844 KB, 2048x1536, 1401359986105.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1739924 Yea thats somethinh i have to work on >>1739932 Im trying man >>1739950 Bodies are easy. But i have a hard time with animu faces

Anonymous Thu May 29 06:46:59 2014 No.1739957

>>1739953
it's really not that hard though. you just have to know what a head looks like 3 dimensionally. and you don't which is your problem. when you rotate your heads you just guess because animu but if you properly constructed your head instead you wouldnt have to guess because it all makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 07:00:03 2014 No.1739961 >>1739953 >>1739938 Draw from life. It's just something you need to develop through a lot of practice. So really, just draw a lot.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 08:38:25 2014 No.1739990 >>1739877 Very nice, the character kinda reminds me of Ghibli heroines.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 09:36:44 2014 No.1740009 >>1739526 Omfg this is amazing

Anonymous Thu May 29 09:41:34 2014 No.1740011
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>>1739957
I can rotate a head but i you are right i tend to guess because animu. Ill work on that.
>>1739961
Yea i guess ill just have to keep practicing
Thanks for the feedback guys

Anonymous Thu May 29 09:43:00 2014 No.1740012

>>1739953
Don't constrain yourself to a set idea of "animu style".
I mean in the department of not overly stylized designs, manga art styles vary from Fukumoto's swordnosed people to Urasawa's fairly realistic but still cartoony people to much more realistic people in Takehiko Inoue's works.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 09:55:35 2014 No.1740018 >>1739542 >hair goes over eyes >eye line work still visible Fuck that sends my autism into a boiling rage, why do people still do this? Even when I was a young mini-weeaboo this bothered the fuck out of me.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 10:08:11 2014 No.1740023 >>1740018 Because the hair isn't a solid mass so you get a semi-transparent effect. Still looks like shit, that's just the logic.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 10:10:06 2014 No.1740024 >>1740018 well technically if it's thinly spread enough it's possible to see the eyes through the bangs

Anonymous Thu May 29 11:07:04 2014 No.1740048
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>>1740011
>I can rotate a head but i you are right i tend to guess because animu.

take a look at some hampton. remember that to draw stylised and simplistic stuff like animu you first should learn how to realistic draw and then move on to stylisation.

pic related. hampton has a very geometrical approach to drawing that really helped me understand how important it actually is. this geometrical approach has the advantage that you don't just copy what you see, you can somewhat easily play around with it, given that what you do makes sense(and it should because the geometry helps you with that).
for example the eye line(eye brow to be precise) will help you with the placement of the nose, the keystone, the mouth, aswell as where everything is in space. draw the nose and you can play around and discover new nose shapes simply by altering the geometrical form. it will help you realize why at a certain tilt certain features are visible and others are not. now it's important to mention that you still should look at ref pics and study real people to see how things match up, what's realistic and what's not, what possibilities do you have, etc.

this should help you understand the human head and assist you in drawing from imagination.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 12:36:48 2014 No.1740105 File: 39 KB, 720x540, 10356015_10152182280465963_8580862536896974579_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hello there

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 12:39:52 2014 No.1740108 >>1740105 Stop copying Anime. Refer to >>1739542

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 13:24:04 2014 No.1740146 File: 63 KB, 704x619, peacockage18.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] send help my brain does not compute how to draw feet nor how to draw high heels on that pose also this is my second try at coloring any tips?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 13:28:31 2014 No.1740156 >>1740146 Draw more feet. Turn that one hundred feet drawing into a thousand until you become master of feet like Kyle.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 13:29:27 2014 No.1740157 File: 567 KB, 685x1028, 031913_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740146 Why did you get a reference where the shoes and feet is covered? No wonder you couldn't figure it out. Research more like attached.

Anonymous Thu May 29 13:39:42 2014 No.1740169

>>1740157
that was my dress reference
also this computer is fucking slow and finding references, something that usually takes me 20 minutes at most, it takes 1 hour in this toaster

also sometimes i get really fucking stupid and i forgot i can use my own body as a reference, using that and the pic you posted i think i can make this work

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 18:09:28 2014 No.1740327 File: 124 KB, 1007x1500, kawai ritsu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Perspective guy here.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 18:15:22 2014 No.1740335 >>1740327 youre almost as good as miku

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 18:28:09 2014 No.1740348 >fap >best ideas and composition ideas coming fuck you brain.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 18:28:45 2014 No.1740350 >>1740327 posemaniacs.com do gestures and focus on the perspective of the figure

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 20:13:07 2014 No.1740394 File: 631 KB, 1147x986, waitress.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738960 Lots of things I'm not too happy with, but I must move on. Tear it up with crits, /ic/.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 20:14:29 2014 No.1740395 File: 106 KB, 394x397, 4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1738847 >My sides went Chernobyl and couldn't help but spread the lulz here.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 20:25:24 2014 No.1740397 >>1740394 I like it, you have a good sense of atmosphere and colour. Although I don't think the perspective of the cup is quite right. Also the nostrils seem to be floating on the face, you should define the nose more.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 21:05:58 2014 No.1740412 File: 196 KB, 600x800, water.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Requesting critique, please. Also, what's the best way to construct a body? I've seen a lot of tutorials and references but...what do you think?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 21:35:45 2014 No.1740416 >>1740412 that gut seems off...like its to flat.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 21:47:49 2014 No.1740421 File: 581 KB, 1200x727, prc_323oijdskls_org_todo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm still learning to simplify properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 22:08:23 2014 No.1740430 File: 61 KB, 546x406, watfa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740421 >simplifying >everything is amateurishly detailed out

Anonymous Thu May 29 23:04:18 2014 No.1740453
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>>1740421

The face is so unappealing and creepy. It looks like an actual human baby's head on a grown woman's body. Her mouth is doing that pouty thing that actual little girl's baby dolls do. Her eyes are also very far apart, I can tell you were trying to shade them a little bit but it's making the forehead protrude.

>>	PSN: L-astarc Thu May 29 23:19:35 2014 No.1740460 >>1740421 Stop wasting your time coloring dude seriously grab a fucking pencil and draw shit for six months then come back to the tablet. You need some fucking discipline.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 29 23:41:57 2014 No.1740471 >>1739877 Tmblr/DA pls

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 00:21:48 2014 No.1740490 File: 401 KB, 1800x2394, kankolle05.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trying some G pen inking, it's too diferent than the materials I've used before.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 00:29:54 2014 No.1740495 File: 73 KB, 500x171, fun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740490 >Flat and lifeless >Middle School tier hands >Huge scan >Shitty scan I demand 100 hand studies and a formal apology for being such a dingus with your scanner settings

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 00:33:38 2014 No.1740498 File: 62 KB, 823x460, ss (2014-05-30 at 12.26.50).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any problems?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 00:37:55 2014 No.1740502 >>1740498 god awful muddy colors for one, but it's good to see you hash out a background BEFORE trying to put figures in it

Anonymous Fri May 30 00:39:25 2014 No.1740503

>>1740498
It looks like your vanishing points are too close together, assuming your horizon line is at eye level with the people sketched out. Your vanishing points should be really far apart from each other.

More generally though the bed and pillows look like they're on a skewed plane.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 00:47:05 2014 No.1740504 File: 119 KB, 958x328, ss (2014-05-29 at 11.53.59).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740502 >>1740503 here's my perspective stuff- should the vanishing points be further apart? be farther?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 01:01:08 2014 No.1740509 >>1740504 left VP is sort of close Also, make sure you're shift+ clicking the parallels from the exact point of the VP. It's going to look fucked if they're not radiating from the same exact point, zoom in and make a bull's eye if you have to

Anonymous Fri May 30 01:15:22 2014 No.1740513
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Uh before I go balls deep on finishing those values, does the "black and white" values first and then color, work ? Cause I'm kind of just using the blending tool of sai, but at full opacity, do I just aply the colors and reduce the value layer's opacity or what ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 01:19:30 2014 No.1740516 gais i'm not feelin it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 01:20:02 2014 No.1740517 File: 202 KB, 610x502, ragedy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740516 fugg

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 01:58:12 2014 No.1740533 Bumping this thread cause retards keep responding to an other retard. fucking waste of place.

Anonymous Fri May 30 02:04:32 2014 No.1740535

>>1740412

Tube arms is bad, anon. Don't do it. Arms are also at different lengths. Torso also has a weird outline; I don't like how her back is just curved outwards.

There isn't a best way to construct a body; just go with whatever you're comfortable with. Some like dem loomis guides, others go for block shapes. Personally I go mostly by intuition, sketching vague shapes. Sometimes blocks if parts of the body is angled in perspective.

>>1740421
Use other artists as reference to how they simplify. What you have now is a horrible doll face. like other anons said.

>>1740490
That Jay Leno chin is horrifying. I don't like how the neck looks either, or the absent clavicle. Do hands studies as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 02:31:21 2014 No.1740543 File: 641 KB, 1600x1600, 20140429f.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740471 I'm having trouble posting the link 4chan thinks I'm spam (it may be right) http:// roboham. blogspot. com

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 02:38:13 2014 No.1740545 >>1740421 the chest looks so weird

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 03:19:21 2014 No.1740555 >>1740513 someone ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 03:22:31 2014 No.1740557 >>1740543 HAM!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 04:02:27 2014 No.1740565 >>1740453 This, holy hell that face is terrifying. >>1740517 I'm having trouble understanding what's going on with her face.

Anonymous Fri May 30 05:28:53 2014 No.1740574

>>1740421
I think the face and hair looks quite good! The mouth might be placed a bit low, but other than that I think you are doing a good job! The body however seems a bit off to me, both in style and anatomy.. the head seems oddly "glued on", as if shopping two pictures together, and the body has some overall anatomical odd spots.. I also think the skin coloring looks a bit unnatural, with shadows and highlight going too close to pure black and white.. On the face however I think the colors work, so the rest of the body might just need some refining.

All in all, some areas are very pleasing while others need some refining. Keep up with this, I'm looking forward to seeing it finished:)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 06:05:26 2014 No.1740581 File: 111 KB, 500x500, 1400153264712.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the best babby's first coloring technique for lineart?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 06:22:15 2014 No.1740583 File: 337 KB, 1000x647, SKOOL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this mornings' drawing

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 06:34:51 2014 No.1740587 >>1740583 noice, site?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 06:36:45 2014 No.1740590 >>1740587 same old sundryaddams.tumblr

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 07:53:56 2014 No.1740621 >>1740587 are you fucking taking the mick?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 07:57:41 2014 No.1740623 >>1740621 i don't even know what the fuck that means, but I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 07:58:48 2014 No.1740624 >>1740623 >noice >micky It's australians shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 07:59:31 2014 No.1740625 >>1740623 he sed u takin the fockin micky m8

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 08:20:20 2014 No.1740643 >>1740513 no, not draven. Draaaveeeen

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 09:04:45 2014 No.1740665 File: 2.12 MB, 2008x1813, anime.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pls critique

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 09:12:49 2014 No.1740668 >>1740665 it's got a great feel of chinese culture from where anime originates, needs some pagodas in background though

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 09:23:08 2014 No.1740671 >>1740665 You didn't paste flip it the fuck is wrong with you

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 10:00:41 2014 No.1740696 >>1738571 I don't want to be pretty, I want to be a solid block of rock hard fundamentals. Carve me into a statue, Anon. >>1739412 >WhiteDatura Mah nigguh. I'm no animu fan, but I love how that guy paints skin.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 10:19:07 2014 No.1740711 File: 626 KB, 1000x691, prc_323oijdskls_org_todo_rc2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740453 >>1740565 >>1740574 I skimmed the face and this is the price I pay holy shit. No excuses this time. Entering maximum over salvage mode.

Anonymous Fri May 30 10:45:42 2014 No.1740726
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You know this is a thread for alternate styles and yet it's one of the least imaginative in its approaches to art.

How does one learn how to pull off glorious imaginative Czechslovakian/Russian Stop Motion.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 12:01:09 2014 No.1740760 File: 663 KB, 1920x2560, 20140530_165645.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] posting unfinished chicken scratch, I struggle immensely with drawing hands and feet 2 months exp

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 12:02:04 2014 No.1740761 File: 223 KB, 610x502, Untitled-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740565 i see. i stepped away for a while and looked again; is it any clearer? i appreciate the critique and i realize this is moving at a glacial pace

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 12:23:24 2014 No.1740776 File: 26 KB, 221x221, 1400585465184.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740581

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 12:45:41 2014 No.1740786 >>1740581 Cel shading, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 12:52:17 2014 No.1740791 >>1740776 base color -> shadow color -> lights and highlights

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 13:14:00 2014 No.1740800 >>1740791 One color for all the shadows?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 13:32:02 2014 No.1740812 >>1740800 no

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 13:43:27 2014 No.1740820 >>1740776 There is no best technique. It's all personal preference. Looks at stuff you like and try to reproduce it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 13:46:37 2014 No.1740822 File: 1.61 MB, 1692x2088, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1740820 >>1740776 Of Course there is, there is basic theory, after that it's all style.

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Anonymous Fri May 30 14:01:31 2014 No.1740832
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>>1740822
You can try to copy from anime drawings for the time anon, but trust me on this one you should really learn
color and light as a fundamental, its the same thing, it goes from fundamental to style like everything else,
instead of copying from others and not knowing where to place your colors and shadows everytime learn
the foundations of it. Once it clicks in your head, that's it you can try any style of coloring you want and everything
will fall in place. Do color and value studies from simple objects to humans, and read Color and Light: A Guide for the Realist Painter - James Gurney

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 14:12:52 2014 No.1740834 >>1739180 Do you have a website where I can see more?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 14:20:38 2014 No.1740838 >>1740831 So is this spanking fetish guy taking permanent residence here, is that what's going on?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 14:22:18 2014 No.1740839 >>1740517 I'm interested, try to clean and finish.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 14:26:07 2014 No.1740840 >>1740543 Why oekaki only?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 15:09:18 2014 No.1740858 New Thread: >>1740857 >>1740857 >>1740857

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 19:33:33 2014 No.1740989 >>1740831 The one on the bottom HAS to be a girl right? There's no way that face can belong to a boy

>>	Anonymous Fri May 30 21:26:23 2014 No.1741039 File: 2.10 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Need some critique in this

Anonymous Sat May 31 00:20:14 2014 No.1741124

>>1740581

For an easy coloring I'd say cel shading, basically what you see in animation which is just flat colors. Just a base color, a shadow color and highlight color and shine on certain areas like eyes, hair, etc. Basically what >>1740791 said. No blending or soft edges whatsoever for extra babby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 2 17:01:11 2014 No.1743355 >>1740834 http://insanatee.tumblr.com/

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