Alternative Art/Stylization General

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Alternative Art/Stylization General Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:18:21 2014 No.1708071 [DELETED]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

In order to do something right you must first do it wrong.

Previous Thread: >>1705604

A general message to aspiring artists: Fear is the mind killer. Do not be afraid to make mistakes as no one is perfect, you will make mistakes. Learn from those mistakes, break from your comfort zones and explore new horizons.

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
http://www.squidoo.com/w-ic-i
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "Professionals use references"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:26:52 2014 No.1708077 >pig

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:31:20 2014 No.1708079 File: 2.56 MB, 2650x4150, Godzilla 1984.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hello /ic/ (second times the charm)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:32:20 2014 No.1708081 Official Cancer Strategies 1. Copy til you don't know what else to do 2. Only post incomplete and incoherent work 3. Brown nose or shit on; there's no gray here 4. Cry for a redline, always 5. Bitch about the redline, always 6. never forget MUH STYLE

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:36:50 2014 No.1708084 >>1708081 how should I improve my lizard anon ;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:40:50 2014 No.1708087 >>1708084 Copy godizlla comics

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:44:34 2014 No.1708089 >>1708079 >>1708084 Hiya welcome to the Mark Crilley tribute thread :) His newest video is a very good resource for drawing lizards, I suggest you check it out

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:46:03 2014 No.1708093 >>1708089 >Mark Crilley pls no

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:49:03 2014 No.1708095 >>1708089 Lol why so much hate?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:56:03 2014 No.1708097 >>1708095 You seem to be confused. Have you tried praying to your lord and saviour M.Crilley?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 21:56:03 2014 No.1708098 File: 77 KB, 756x1080, comeon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Something I did for fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:00:33 2014 No.1708105 >>1708098 what the actual fuck is going on with that leg

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:05:03 2014 No.1708108 >>1708098 everything looks really flat :/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:08:33 2014 No.1708112 >>1708097 Yea i got all his books and im doing master studies :D

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:12:03 2014 No.1708120 Christopher Hart is so fucking based for theses kinds of threads

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:14:33 2014 No.1708122 >>1708098 neato, a bit of a scott pilgrim vibe..with slightly less massive eyes :p i feel like the hands being that dark there should be something else a similar value to call them out a bit, i'm not sure what though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:15:03 2014 No.1708123 >new thread >80% shitposts :/

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:36:36 2014 No.1708143

Isn't drawing supposed to be fun holy shit, I did some shitty pixel art for a game and got lucky I guess because people liked it, so I wanted to start learning more stuff, I think I'm starting to get less shitty at color theory because of my pixel art experience and after reading books I understand the logic but my hands don't respond to what my brain is visualizing while using a tablet
this is my first week with it, is it normal

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:48:06 2014 No.1708153 >>1708143 4th-week-guy-here Yes it is. Try adjusting the settings on your tablet to make it more comfortable. Personally, I use mouse mode instead of pen mode, feels more familiar.

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:51:06 2014 No.1708155
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>>1708143

>Isn't drawing supposed to be fun

Only if you're a self-motivated individual without mental or emotional health issues.

>this is my first week with it, is it normal

Yes. There's no way around eating the shit in the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 23:39:36 2014 No.1708177 >>1708098 Im going to print it out and cum on it

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 23:42:36 2014 No.1708179 >>1708155 >mental or emotional health issues fuck

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 23:51:06 2014 No.1708181

>>1708105
>>1708108
It's funny because I thought if I pushed the foreshortening a little, it wouldn't be so flat and maybe add something dynamic. Oops.

>>1708122
Thanks! What if I made her boots a darker shade? That could add some needed weight to the bottom of the composition.

>>1708155
These superani guys are pretty rad.

>>1708177
Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 23:53:37 2014 No.1708182 >>1708143 Tablets always suck in the beginning. Give it a month and you should get used to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 00:01:06 2014 No.1708189 File: 188 KB, 720x720, Skyesketchsmall.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Speaking of getting use to tablets, haven't used mine in months. Trying to get back into it. Surprised how jarring it can be after getting use to traditional ink.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 01:23:36 2014 No.1708226 >>1708189 The nose looks like it belongs on a near 3/4 profile while the face is a full-on profile.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:14:26 2014 No.1708243

I need help. I can't draw bodies. At all. Seriously.

I can draw a face reasonably well, but ask me to draw a body and my mind shits out on me. I look at guides and at videos, but I haven't found anything that has made my brain click. Watching Proko's videos really helped me get that something to click when I was learning how to draw faces, but bodies just aren't doing it.

It seems like everyone who posts tutorials and such have their own way of doing things and tend to gloss over a lot of it and just say "I'm doing a tutorial on how to draw a body! Okay first you do this and i'll just go off on a tangent here about random shit, oh and look! A body! Hope this helped!"

What should I do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:20:56 2014 No.1708245 >>1708243 Drawing isn't something that just "clicks" and you are suddenly fucking Leonardo Da Vinci. It takes a long fucking time to be able to draw bodies well, the only thing you can do is keep at it till you git gud.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:27:26 2014 No.1708249

>>1708245
I don't really know how to describe it other than "clicks". I know drawing takes time, and practice, and your fucking soul to get good.

But when I was learning how to draw faces, heads, hair, etc. Something inside my braid just said "Oh yeah, this actually makes a lot of sense!" and I was able to see where I wanted things to be and how I wanted them to look before I drew them. Of couse they don't exactly come out as great or as perfect as I imagined, but at least they're decent.

When drawing bodies, my braid seriously goes retarded. I'll try and mark out how tall I want it to be, where features should go, etc. and when I get to actually drawing it, my braid dies on me almost the second I put my pencil to paper. Nothing looks right, I can't get proportions to match the head, etc.

I think it's the neck on the shoulders and the shoulder width to the head that's killing me the most.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:29:26 2014 No.1708250 >>1708249 Also, fuck you auto correct. Brain not braid.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:29:56 2014 No.1708252

I'm finally improving, /ic/. But I no longer have inspiration, in other words; I need to practice so I can improve more, but I don't have what to draw. Should I play games again? Games always made me feel inspired, but I deleted all of them because they were holding me back. Maybe it's time to come back? Or it's better to find another way to be inspired?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:51:32 2014 No.1708256 >>1708252 Try drawing fanart of your favourite vidya. Playing video games is a great way to take a break from drawing, but they're also addictive as fuck, so if you don't watch out you could suddenly lose weeks of practice time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 02:56:32 2014 No.1708257 >>1708249 That's how it is for all beginners, you just have to grind it out, fill pages up with proportion grids, do a lot of gesture drawing, fill up your visual library with naked bodies. There's really no secret at all, you just have to draw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 03:00:32 2014 No.1708259 >>1708252 One thing I read here is to try and draw alternate universes of your favorite games. Then springboard from that into other things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 03:01:32 2014 No.1708260 >>1708256 >>1708259 Alright, thanks for replying. I'll try both!

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 05:14:32 2014 No.1708323
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What makes an anime face, anime? Is it the lack of nose? Big eyes? But a lot of other cartoons in the western world have no noses or big eyes.

I'm just trying to figure out how to make an anime face.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 05:23:32 2014 No.1708327 Anyone have those DragonArt books or Fantasy Underground? Saw the Steampunk one, was pretty interesting

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 05:30:32 2014 No.1708329 i awas onyl pretending to be reateradd i draw a lott cats mostly

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 05:31:32 2014 No.1708330 >>1708323 It's all about the eyes. You can make the rest of the face any other way, just focus on the eyes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 08:40:32 2014 No.1708394 >>1708155 got any more Kim Jong Gi? don't forget to tell people BASICS loomis only

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 09:07:32 2014 No.1708414 >>1708394 Loomis is literally the reason why this board is so slow. It's pretty funny, and by funny I mean sad

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 09:29:32 2014 No.1708420 What did you learn to draw first; backgrounds or characters? I've been neglecting drawing backgrounds and general objects because all I want to get good at in the short term is character designs. I feel this has been a big mistake on my part.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 09:38:32 2014 No.1708423 >>1708420 If you wanna get good at drawing figures. Practice that. Most great figure painters use very simple backgrounds so it doesn't compete with the figure and distract the veiwer.

GreyDeath Sat Apr 19 09:38:32 2014 No.1708424

>>1708420
Why not switch off between both, since you need both to become a good dynamic artist. I find drawing characters fun, but it doesn't mean that much if you can't put them into context with an environment.

Drawing environments will help your character work by constantly thinking of them at different angles, worm's eye, bird's eye, forced perspective, etc.

They go hand in hand. Not every environment that you draw with your character has to be an elaborate cityscape. It could be something as simple as a character sitting in a chair, or lying on a bed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 09:47:32 2014 No.1708426 >>1708153 Isn't that counter-productive to use mouse mode ?

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 10:02:32 2014 No.1708430

>>1708394

I don't even push Loomis on beginners unless it's Successful Drawing

I think beginners should work on perspective and still lifes before trying to fuck around with figure drawing

If you're trying to make a dig at Kim Jung Gi then I can't help you son

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 10:38:32 2014 No.1708439 >>1708426 It still writes/draws like a pen, mouse mode just changes the way movement is mapped between the different resolutions of the tablet and screen. I can't really explain it, but it's worth trying out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 11:01:32 2014 No.1708446 File: 309 KB, 779x795, ng.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] some progress

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 11:25:32 2014 No.1708451 Lmao

>>	GreyDeath Sat Apr 19 11:45:32 2014 No.1708461 File: 144 KB, 992x1326, swimsuitbewbs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708446 some ref to mull over for Samus' breasts. Samus' far eye is crooked. Is she supposed to look pissed? Getting the lighting looking natural at least.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 12:00:32 2014 No.1708469

>>1708446
Blue chick: boobs are too smushed, arm is a little short, boobs shouldn't be beneath the bikini (the bikini should cradle them). Chin/maxilla area is pretty fucked, know that the cylinder of the mouth will make it project forward, right now she has face-caved-in syndrome. Her eyeballs are bigger than her mouth and also a bit too slanted. You also really need to figure out what you're doing with the leg anatomy. Other chick is a bit better but the face is uneven and personally I don't think the razor sharp anime chin is working.

GreyDeath Sat Apr 19 12:06:32 2014 No.1708472
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>>1708446
Redline for you. Samus' arm is too short. you can either have it go off the canvas, or move both figures over to the right. Also the other's arm could be adjusted so the forearm is more foreshortened and relaxed.

>>	GreyDeath Sat Apr 19 12:13:32 2014 No.1708476 >>1708189 I like the deliberate sketchy inking for the hair and hatching on the face. Rest of the body though looks like an afterthought and not as well inked. Looking forward to more.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 12:22:32 2014 No.1708483

>>1708446
you should really have a look at real breasts or how other artists draw them. Or if you don't like them this big draw them smaller and more realistic.

Or you will end up like the artists who do erotic work and do balls for breasts. These artists seem to draw huge breasts out of obligation or contract, not because they want to and it shows.

Or maybe it's because you tried to mix comic style with painting, this could be your problem here.

And for the size of the canvas and the tools used it looks like you try to put too much into the space. Oekaki would work at this size, but for paintings double or triple and use bigger and smaller brushes. You also need to find proper brushes, so this takes more time, too.

Most annoying, you try to learn too many different subjects at once. For the next project either go for anatomy, composition, painting, style, but not for all at once. This way you can concentrate on one topic and not waste time on other things. Which means you will be done faster, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 12:49:32 2014 No.1708497 File: 263 KB, 674x800, rin_pls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've taken quite a bit of liberties with simplifying the body and tried to make the face more detailled...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 12:54:32 2014 No.1708500 >>1708497 you haven't reach head body parity yet. but you're getting much closer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 12:55:32 2014 No.1708501 >>1708497 still looks like a teenage face stuck on a full grown woman body builder's body

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 13:00:32 2014 No.1708504 >>1708497 you still suck at faces. nose is way too high

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 13:00:32 2014 No.1708505 >>1708497 Hover your hand over the face. Look at the image. Now remove your hand at see if it looks right. Protip: it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 13:13:32 2014 No.1708520 >>1708497 Anon, anime faces have planes and behave like tridimensional objects, just like what you try to achieve with everything else in your picture. Study facial structure and then move on and study nendoroids/figmas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 13:19:32 2014 No.1708525 >>1708497 I think you should work on your linework and composition first

GreyDeath Sat Apr 19 13:28:32 2014 No.1708537
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>>1708497
Agreed that the nose is way too high on the face. Also agreed that if you're putting in that much definition and detail on the body, you should be putting it on the face as well. By the shading you've done, it doesn't even look like she has lips. Some say that anime faces might look too weird if drawn more realistically, but it really matters on how it's rendered. There are plenty of anime figures with 3D faces that work, so it's possible.

That being said, good job on the painting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 13:58:32 2014 No.1708555 File: 442 KB, 1042x781, pain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've been staring at this image to the point where I can't really see it properly anymore, what issues in it should i be addressing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 14:01:32 2014 No.1708559 >>1708555 proportions. head is too small/body is too big also the seifuku is also bady proportioned.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 14:12:32 2014 No.1708567

>>1708497
small one: you used skin color for the pants

and the right arm is wrong around where the bizeps ends. The lower half of the arm has more muscle mass than the upper half suggests. And you drew the arm like upper and lower half are separate and not one.

And for some reason the right hand and the joint there looks really wrong. Maybe more shadow could help here.

And the hair at her neck looks completely flat. More volume?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 14:13:32 2014 No.1708568 >>1708555 Details. You ain't learning shit if you abstract all problems away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 14:29:32 2014 No.1708584 File: 2.95 MB, 555x312, 1394739221822.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708568 not that guy but your post kind of gave me revelation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 14:47:32 2014 No.1708593 File: 259 KB, 536x714, 1394298245034.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708555 dat face tho please look at a ref

>>	deleted Sat Apr 19 15:41:32 2014 No.1708625 >>1708593 not that guy but i am looking.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 17:10:32 2014 No.1708683

>>1708497
>simplifying the body and tried to make the face more detailled
Really, because it literally looks like the exact opposite happened. Listen to the feedback that other anons gave you. Go learn how to paint real heads before you try to simplify them. You're stuck using symbolic representations that you memorized long ago and have no real bearing in terms of form.

Learn real anatomy for the head. Grab some sculpey and try sculpting anime heads. Use that as a reference one you get it to make sense from all viewing angles. Collect some anime figurines and use those as references as well. Right now, you aren't drawing or modeling actual forms for the head.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 17:36:32 2014 No.1708703 File: 120 KB, 800x600, 4003066793efbb284c061a9d05b6bb25.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708446 have a comparison (not mine, not asking for critique)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 17:40:32 2014 No.1708707 >>1708703 >that chest The artist is dumb

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 18:16:32 2014 No.1708731 File: 241 KB, 1000x1160, jhtrgrw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do you guys get started with backgrounds? I'm always stumped and everything ends up floating in some vague gradient background.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 18:47:30 2014 No.1708742 >>1708731 practice perspective. then some materials, then you'll be fine

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:22:27 2014 No.1708754 >>1708707 For stylized boobs there's nothing particularly wrong with that chest. If you just wanted to complain about something, the shoulder would be a more obvious target.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:29:57 2014 No.1708756 >>1708754 it's clearly fucked up pig. have another look.

>>	FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I Sat Apr 19 19:58:57 2014 No.1708764 File: 221 KB, 720x1280, Sketch196175454.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I hope it's not too bad. Stylization still confuses me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 20:02:57 2014 No.1708766 >>1708764 Is it from imagination?

>>	FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I Sat Apr 19 20:15:27 2014 No.1708779 >>1708766 I based it on what I can remember about a still from a b&w movie. If I can find it I will try to fix/polish it a bit more

>>	FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I Sat Apr 19 20:18:58 2014 No.1708783 I based it on what I can remember from a b&w movie still. If I can find it I will try to fix/polish it a bit more

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 20:57:27 2014 No.1708808
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>>1708764
Here is my interpretation, the biggest issue I see is that the face is flat. Think about the form and how to describe it during construction and watch those proportions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:47:56 2014 No.1708839 File: 679 KB, 200x199, Al Bundy Ahahaha.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708808 >mikufag redlining firez

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:51:57 2014 No.1708845
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>>1708226
Yeah, the nose is slightly off, but I think my placement of the highlight on the nose is throwing things off unintentionally. Thanks for pointing it out.

>>1708476
You're right. Everything below the neck was an afterthought. Just playing with different ways of inking and exaggerating line weights and keeping digital inks from looking painfully digital looking.

Another one I did after that, except with a reference this time. Again, wasn't concerned with anything from the neck down.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:58:56 2014 No.1708850

>>1708839
to be fair firez has absolutely no concept about human anatomy. all his faces are fucking horrendous, and the only ones he gets right are those he directly traces from photographs. I wouldn't be surprised if he never looked at loomis/hampton/vilppu/w.e.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:59:26 2014 No.1708852 >>1708839 Both drawings are bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 22:06:26 2014 No.1708853 >>1708852 step up then pig, let's see your rendition. u got nuthin mate

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 22:12:56 2014 No.1708858 File: 775 KB, 500x281, 1386783667137.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708808 >redlines >draws bigger eyes MFW

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 22:17:56 2014 No.1708867 File: 29 KB, 600x327, disney_eyes_practice_by_dennia-d62694x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708858 He did mention he had trouble stylizing and one of the key elements in stylization are the eyes whether it is western or foreign.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 23:47:07 2014 No.1708917 File: 355 KB, 1349x800, ic_aweotknfl2310329.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708764 Come on Firez I thought you were better than this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 23:51:42 2014 No.1708919 File: 346 KB, 1000x1500, eat shit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708853 >You need to be a good artist to have an opinion on art >You need to be a good musician to have an opinion on music >"OI MATE DON'T BE HONEST YOU HURT FEELINGS PIG"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 23:54:06 2014 No.1708920 >>1708919 Eyes are too close together, and the face is flat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 23:54:49 2014 No.1708921 >>1708919 thanks, pig. now adopt a trip so everyone can ignore your advice from now on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 23:57:31 2014 No.1708922 >>1708921 >both drawings are bad >advice opinion=/=advice. Geez you shitlord, learn the difference, and show your rendition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:10:22 2014 No.1708924 knives out cunts

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:11:00 2014 No.1708925 File: 452 KB, 706x798, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708922 i don't care if they disregard your opinion pig. just any advice you may distribute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:15:31 2014 No.1708927 >>1708917 >>1708919 Y'all niggas need some hand studies. I can't believe you expect people to not shit on those.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:26:08 2014 No.1708932 >>1708924 I'm going to fucking rip your head off mate, I swear on me mum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:27:45 2014 No.1708934 >>1708931 Keep at it Firez we need people like you here.

FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I Sun Apr 20 00:42:03 2014 No.1708939
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Thanks everyone for the edits and advice, maybe someday I will come up with something stylized that's not so horrid.

Anyway. I hope this is better.

>>1708934
Thanks and sorry I forgot to add some stuff so I deleted my previous message

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:45:44 2014 No.1708943 Laughably pathetic

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:48:50 2014 No.1708946 >>1708943 Fuck off. >>1708939 It's a process you will make mistakes just keep at it and experimenting.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:09:38 2014 No.1708956
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I've been trying to learn how to draw pleated skirts. I did post a thread but didn't see this one here.

I think this must've been my fourth or fifth attempt tonight. (On the same figure.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:12:46 2014 No.1708957 >>1708956 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHRSPNkGxQo You're welcome pal

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:16:13 2014 No.1708960 >>1708957 I guess that I should've mentioned that it was a draft sketch that I would be using for painting over later, but I'll take a look at this anyhow (since I'll be needing it.) Thanks buddy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:21:17 2014 No.1708964 I need inspiration so badly. I just can't draw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:21:57 2014 No.1708965 >>1708964 Shutup and draw, wanna go to iscribble with me?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:25:46 2014 No.1708968 >>1708956 Looking at it again, it probably should be more round where the skirt flips up rather than angled perhaps?

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:30:32 2014 No.1708970
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I can't make her cute but can't put my finger on why. Something awkward is up with the face I believe. There's also seems to be a phenomenon where it looks better zoomed in than zoomed out.

Halp fix melee cleric waifu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:33:25 2014 No.1708971 File: 127 KB, 333x620, WIP2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708970 My target size is 25% of the full size, here. The face looks awkward to me at this point, but not at 100% res.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:38:43 2014 No.1708975

>>1708970
>>1708971
You have bigger problems going on other than the face such as proportions and symbol drawing. I would work on fundamentals first before coloring you are turd polishing this drawing and it will get you nowhere. Scrap it, and go read the Sticky.

You need Loomis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 01:42:08 2014 No.1708977 File: 113 KB, 690x634, Screen Shot 2014-04-20 at 2.40.23 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1708968 This seems to be a bit more natural now.

FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I Sun Apr 20 01:42:49 2014 No.1708978
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>>1708946
Thx, I just noticed several jarring mistakes with this last one, face is still very plain, her left cheek shouldn't be pressing that way against the scarf, etc... I just fixed some of them but I will probably work some more tomorrow.if anything.

On the meantime and as per advice by someone on the draw thread, I tested some thumbnails with this one.

>>	GreyDeath Sun Apr 20 03:02:31 2014 No.1708998 >>1708845 Doing good at making it look traditional.

GreyDeath Sun Apr 20 03:08:01 2014 No.1709001

>>1708917
I kind of prefer the original. She looks more mature and less like a child. Firez's looks like she's maybe around late teens, but yours looks like she's half that age.

Now if you can render the same way you did and make her look like in her late teens...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:40:05 2014 No.1709037 File: 377 KB, 1053x735, drunk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so many mistakes, but the paper is giving up and all ist lost

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:45:19 2014 No.1709041 >>1708917 >redjuicefag trying to lecture others about faces wat

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:52:06 2014 No.1709044 >>1709037 Is that Chen?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:52:56 2014 No.1709045 >>1708970 cast proper lights and shadows? you added a horrible half assed top light. A single one from the side could be good if soft shadows are a problem for you. But you should probably draw for now, or paint from real life. You need to learn both.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 05:01:37 2014 No.1709050 >>1709044 I had an image of Koichi open while drawing this, but didn't want to look for a proper reference. But a drunk Koichi lives in my heart now. I think she just peed on the floor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 06:08:05 2014 No.1709061 File: 337 KB, 1219x1273, fan_art.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 06:50:47 2014 No.1709072 >>1709061 This is really nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 07:29:12 2014 No.1709088 File: 420 KB, 601x925, Astrid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does this belong here?

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:21:37 2014 No.1709111

>>1709061
You need to redraw her weapon again. The perspective is wrong as she either holds it parallel to the camera or not. But you seem to have had problems, so better just erase the weapon/hand and try again.

the leg in front seems wrong, but that could just be me. It's hard to detect.

The frills on her right hand shouldn't be that far down or should be smaller (like in her original design). They will touch all the things she touches with her hands and end up in the soup when she serves.

And I can't end this post without telling you to have a second look at her boobs. She has the one of the smallest breast sizes of the cast, and you have drawn them too big. Needs a better more petite shape.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:47:22 2014 No.1709122 File: 338 KB, 1240x1334, fan_art_v2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709111

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 09:09:06 2014 No.1709126 >>1709122 lol, better look at the original scythe first. http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1526973

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 11:56:48 2014 No.1709214 >>1709088 Yeah it does, keep it up!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:33:19 2014 No.1709239 >>1709088 Yes, among the rest of the garbage

GreyDeath Sun Apr 20 12:38:32 2014 No.1709250
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>>1709122
Pros: Like the rendering of the frills and stuff, nice forms.

Cons: The ellipses on the scythe. You should really imagine drawing the ellipses around the back of the form to get a better looking curve. I'm not so sure the scythe looks good going into her forehead like that. Yes, it can give the drawing more depth by layering objects, but sometimes it can turn out weird. Maybe move it up a tad?

Her front leg is a bit awkwardly posed, I'd tuck the back of her leg in to look more natural and point the foot a bit more (sexy cute!tm).

You could have her more happy/excited since she's either flying or jumping in the air. And could engage the viewer by having her look at us. My two cents.

Great start nonetheless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:47:05 2014 No.1709255 >>1709122 need more gesture no directional composition with figure you could easily use the twintails, the curvature of the scythe and the limbs to show dynamic movement

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 13:33:38 2014 No.1709308 >>1709250 I think the expression was ok before, you change her character a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 14:26:08 2014 No.1709359 File: 291 KB, 605x663, carl and friends.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 15:38:15 2014 No.1709417
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>>1709255
>>1709122
>>1709061
Heres a couple of possible gestures as an example.
You just have to FEEL the gesture, make use of that scythe and the addition of the twintails to show the dominant gesture line. The way youve done it is really stiff and all over the place, but there's really no fixing it without starting all over

Theres something odd about the hand aswell.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 15:43:25 2014 No.1709424
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>>1708956 + >>1708977 again.
Fixed up the skirt further, and refined my lines.

I think that the cloak/cape should probably flip up near the bottom so then it doesn't look so static or frozen.

And there's some unfinished lines around the boots. Not sure if I should make the boot on camera-right smaller or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 15:45:47 2014 No.1709425 >>1709424 And C-R's shoulder looks weird. Needs to be smoothed outwards and not a straight line. Oops.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 15:48:06 2014 No.1709427 >>1709424 why are the tits so low? dont tell me youre using loomis measurements to animu anon..

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 15:57:35 2014 No.1709439 >>1709427 I didn't really see the breasts as being too low while drawing. And nope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:05:47 2014 No.1709445 >>1709417 I don't get it, aren't you overstating flow? It certainly doesn't seem to work for this pose and motive, or you wouldn't draw something completely different.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:36:47 2014 No.1709476 >>1709239 And you

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:38:24 2014 No.1709480 >>1709417 Not that anon but thanks for the advice man!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:42:16 2014 No.1709483 File: 56 KB, 613x746, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709445 Im simply undermining the pose itself, just thought there was a more dynamic way of delivering the idea

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:46:38 2014 No.1709487 >>1709483 You are steering away from the original idea by changing the pose and the action completely

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:53:07 2014 No.1709495 >>1709487 Not that guy but the original pose wasn't that good, and the idea seems to be generic magical girl pose, and not at all lost by the other suggested poses.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 17:30:21 2014 No.1709522 File: 217 KB, 862x1000, afew.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any suggestions on how to deal with the leg/foot?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 17:35:08 2014 No.1709528 >>1709522 Take the pose and see how far you can twist it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 17:55:10 2014 No.1709545 >>1709522 Why are her feet pointing inward? Try it, that's really awkward.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:06:20 2014 No.1709555 >>1709545 ...Unless the character's pigeon-toed, although unlikely.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:14:20 2014 No.1709558 >>1709522 Your camera is wrong. Remove that background with the floor. Pretend you're looking up at the character instead of down. You have a decent gesture to work off of, just angle or slant the feet slightly or make her right foot step on something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:17:20 2014 No.1709561 >>1709528 >>1709545 >>1709555 >>1709558 I should definitely exaggerate the pose more. Does this work better with the feet? She's supposed to be training. Whoops, floor wasn't supposed to be there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:18:10 2014 No.1709562 >>1709417 Is synergy code for line of action?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:18:51 2014 No.1709563 File: 193 KB, 862x1000, asdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709561 Forgot image.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:23:32 2014 No.1709567
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hey /ic/, I don't think the eyes are really working for this one, something is just off altogether. Also, anyone have any tips for staying on task? I've been trying to push myself to work on fanart, but usually once I plan out the face I end up just dicking around and making something up from imagination. Like this piece for instance, was supposed to work on Asuka from Eva but then I just completely went off track. Maybe I'm just resorting to something more comfortable? idk, but any advice to get my head back in the game would be appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:31:39 2014 No.1709573 >>1709522 Just fix the left boot a bit, otherwise looks good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 19:16:24 2014 No.1709606 >>1709563 That definitely looks much better. Nice job, by the way, I like it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 19:33:12 2014 No.1709616 File: 1.02 MB, 1371x1440, n1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't know where I started fucking up but I did.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 19:36:34 2014 No.1709617 >>1709616 First thing I noticed was the hand, do that pose and see where your thumb is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:00:14 2014 No.1709642 File: 662 KB, 939x984, n2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709617 I might actually be mentally handicapped

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:01:52 2014 No.1709644 >>1709642 Your in the right thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:10:31 2014 No.1709656 File: 155 KB, 742x1148, mahoshojo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709562 no, the proper term is probably just gesture. synergy was a fitting word to describe the unity of the gestures are magic girls magic girls without frills?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:16:06 2014 No.1709659 >>1709417 How I learn synergy, senpai?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:57:35 2014 No.1709690 >>1709656 Rhythm, movement, flow, direction of energy would have been better terms than 'synergy'.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:59:17 2014 No.1709692

>>1709690
synergy is fine jesus. why do you comment when you musst know your a stupid fuck.

syn·er·gy [sin-er-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural syn·er·gies.
1.
the interaction of elements that when combined produce a total effect that is greater than the sum of the individual elements, contributions, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:20:50 2014 No.1709712 >>1709656 fix the nose, the hair also looks weird

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:34:05 2014 No.1709728 scribbly as fuck and I can't into hands, but any other things wrong with it so far?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:34:54 2014 No.1709729 File: 198 KB, 502x572, lammy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709728 god damn it

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:35:43 2014 No.1709731
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>>1709692
Well, if you actually studied art, you'd know rhythm is a term used frequently in conjunction with what the arrows are indicating. Now if you want to persist and say 'synergy' you need to say what the components are doing together, what's the product of the synergy? Is it a flow of some sort? Like in the sense of movement achieved by the repetition of regulated visual units, say for example gesture lines, to give a sense of rhythm through the drawing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:39:31 2014 No.1709733 >>1709731 Tl;dr: what is context

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:47:25 2014 No.1709740 >>1709733 context is when you toss someone's salad with either jelly or syrup

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:50:04 2014 No.1709741 File: 93 KB, 668x500, 1377553999865.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709731 >ITT; arguing over semantic bullshit. >mfw

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:52:32 2014 No.1709743

>>1709731
no you don't. i know this is the internet and you really want to be right. but you are wrong. synergy is as good a word for describing elements flowing together to make an overall pleasing figure as any.

i honestly think you perhaps didn't actually know exactly what it meant, that you had some idea, but that you didn't realise how fitting it actually was and so you have to go round the outside now to save yourself a few ego points. and that;s only human, but try be better than that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:10:28 2014 No.1709748 >>1709743 If you want other artists to laugh at you or look at you funny go ahead and use "synergy". But what you're actually talking about, in figure drawing, it is called rhythm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:13:16 2014 No.1709750 File: 962 KB, 1268x1517, sketch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1707848 Cleaning it up a bit and working on that hand, anything else before I move on?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:14:49 2014 No.1709751 Can't stop laughing

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:16:13 2014 No.1709752 >>1709748 lol! I'm sure. >"lol, did you see that fucking guy? used the word synergy correctly but in a situation where i would say rhythm. let's murder him, the sod."

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:17:21 2014 No.1709753 >>1709750 You draw like a pedantic weeb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:17:37 2014 No.1709754 >>1709748 >If you want other artists to laugh at you or look at you funny go ahead and use "synergy". I've had two professors use the word. Fuck off with your pretentious verbal bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:17:59 2014 No.1709755 >>1709750 The body isn't stylized enough to fit with the head, again. Keep it in mind for the next one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:18:00 2014 No.1709756 >>1709642 So is this any good? Should I continue onto blockin in colors?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:21:55 2014 No.1709761 >>1709756 no, if i were you i'd draw it a couple more times. the first effort is seldom the best.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:29:39 2014 No.1709767 >>1709755 Shoot I thought I had it this time, okay thanks

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:29:58 2014 No.1709768

>>1709752
Usage is based on history and context. Sorry to disappoint but synergy is a lacking term here. Like I said before, you still need to tell about the effect the mixture is producing if you persist with using it. Saying synergy isn't enough, in the end, you're just talking about rhythm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:31:24 2014 No.1709770 >>1709754 Your therapists were probably talking about something else

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:45:29 2014 No.1709781 >>1709768 lol you're insane. let's see a drawing of yours. not saying you can't draw. i'd like to see what kind of stuff that mind of yours produces.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:49:33 2014 No.1709786 >>1709781 > can't tell if stupid or stupid dot gif

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:50:40 2014 No.1709787 >>1709753 >>1709750 This, especially with all the unnecessary lines, you should practice more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:51:46 2014 No.1709788 I've been trying to figure out eyelashes (especially coloured), but shit ends up being pretty difficult. I don't think I saw anything from the links in the OP but I might have to look again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:52:31 2014 No.1709789 >>1709786 so that's no to the drawing then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:53:20 2014 No.1709790 >>1709750 What program are you using? I keep on seeing things especially lately where the whole artwork seems to have slight chromatic aberration or offsets applied to it.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:54:59 2014 No.1709791

>>1709789
Not that guy but you and I both know for a fact that after you ask someone to show their drawing during an argument on /ic/ more than likely the other party will either not show a drawing, make up an excuse, or post a drawing of a penis and most of a time its a drawing of a penis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:57:29 2014 No.1709793 >>1709791 unless they can draw well

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:57:29 2014 No.1709794 >>1709781 I think your stuff would probably incite more curiosity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:58:14 2014 No.1709795 File: 289 KB, 791x1000, img129.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Designing a character for a 4 page comic... ...if I can fight through this budding carpal tunnel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:58:20 2014 No.1709796 >>1709793 > being this new

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:59:05 2014 No.1709797 >>1709794 i don't mind a 'show me yours and i'll show you mine.' kinda deal. i'll even do a version of you/that guys drawing if you like

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:59:23 2014 No.1709799 >>1709793 Yes, please post your stuff m8, let's see your 'synergy'

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:00:29 2014 No.1709801 >>1709790 Photoshop

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:06:02 2014 No.1709804 >>1709793 quality never stopped anons from using a drawing against its own creator. They'll find something unrelated to rip on and think they made a point. Anons only want a drawing so they can have something to pooh-pooh on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:08:01 2014 No.1709807 >>1709797 We're waiting

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:08:52 2014 No.1709808

>>1709793
>/ic/
>knowing how to draw
We all knew how this goes:
>anon completely dodges posting a drawing and strawmans to hell and back
>if an anon posts a drawing in order to show up the anon they'll call it shit regardless of quality and go on about semantics still refusing to post anything of theirs
>anon becomes e/b/in and posts a dick xD

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:09:06 2014 No.1709809 >>1709795 Get a wrist brace and wear it while you're not drawing Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:09:40 2014 No.1709810 >>1709797 If the "synergy" girl posts another drawing I'll be more than happy to redline it.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:13:03 2014 No.1709813

>>1709809
Its actually from my day job. Tech support for video games. Lots of mouse movements, lots of typing, etc.

And that video is my best friend. I do them before and after work. But seems to still be getting a bit of pain in my wrist, palm, and thumb. I'm typing with my left hand mostly now, i'll probably call out for tomorrow.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:14:26 2014 No.1709814
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You know, while we're waiting for Anon to deliver we should all post our current drawing right now to see who's actually drawing and who's doing pic related.

Mine is >>1709750

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:14:30 2014 No.1709815 >>1709807 the show me yours bit is first/ can hardly do a version of something i haven't seen eh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:15:33 2014 No.1709817 >>1709815 Just post your work faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:16:56 2014 No.1709819 >>1709808 the drawing would be a strawman, it just be for the other guy to use

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:18:23 2014 No.1709821 >>1709817 okay, do a request instead, nothing silly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:18:48 2014 No.1709822 >>1709814 You need a trip so we can filter your consistent bitching

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:20:25 2014 No.1709826 >>1709822 You're not even drawing, are you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:22:30 2014 No.1709828 File: 137 KB, 823x1000, aeerff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any suggestions before i color?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:23:14 2014 No.1709829 >>1709826 "Quiet sweety, the grownups are talking"

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:25:38 2014 No.1709830 >>1709829 lol you really aren't are you. insulting miku who is a hard worker, while sitting their doing nothing productive at all. what a pig shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:28:02 2014 No.1709834 File: 244 KB, 502x572, Untitled-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709729

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:30:02 2014 No.1709836 >>1709830 LOL who cares about you or some cheap asian hooker?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:36:25 2014 No.1709842 File: 1.54 MB, 4126x2080, 1364526854337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709826 Get to work. Just do it don't give me any excuses.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:36:46 2014 No.1709843 >everyone trying to wave their e-peen What's the fucking point? How on earth will winning an internet argument benefit you as an artist or as a human being?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:38:01 2014 No.1709845 File: 1.54 MB, 4126x2080, 1364526854337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709836 Get to work. Just do it don't give me any excuses.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:39:09 2014 No.1709846 >>1709843 You too >>1709845

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:39:30 2014 No.1709847

>>1709828
The lines you've put in her arms look all kinds of wrong. The ones you've put in both forearms should just be erased, and the line you made connecting her right (our left) forearm to the rest of her arm looks odd and unconvincing as well. That pointer finger on the same hand looks off too. Her head also looks too big, but I'm expecting too much from the anime thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:47:34 2014 No.1709849 >>1709445 >>1709483 >>1709487 >>1709690 >>1709692 >>1709731 >>1709733 >>1709740 >>1709741 >>1709743 >>1709748 >>1709752 >>1709754 >>1709768 >>1709770 >>1709781 >>1709786 >>1709799 you people argue too much on a meer animu fan art

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 23:56:37 2014 No.1709860 >>1709849 but it's fun. just kind of annoyed no one gave me a request, was looking forward to it :/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:06:55 2014 No.1709863 >>1709845 Here's an excuse: I don't feel like it. Now what the fuck are you going to do about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:08:21 2014 No.1709864 >>1709863 that's you're own problem. if you don't want to improve then no one is stopping you

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:15:08 2014 No.1709869

>>1709863
>I am too afraid to draw the entire figure because I want to stay in my comfort zones

In order to do something right you must first do it wrong, it's okay to make mistakes that is why you are here so we can point them out to you, address the mistakes and learn from them.

If you're afraid that someone's going to take a dump on you or bruise your ego then this place is not for you.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:21:52 2014 No.1709875
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Wouldn't normally post such a dinky little sketch, but the proportions/anatomy have been fighting me every step of the way with this one and I wanted a second opinion, especially about the one on the left. Not entirely sure if I'm in the right thread, either, but what the hell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:32:42 2014 No.1709883 /ic/ needs IDs

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:38:53 2014 No.1709888
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>>1709875
I tried to redline but I ended up fucking it up and wound up redrawing it. May/may not be useful.

Left's neck and jaw makes me think she's angling her head away from us and that we should see more of her chin. Her shoulders are also not even. I've also never put my hand on someone's shoulder like that so the hand looks awkward, but that's just a personal thing.

Right's head just seems too oblong. Her mouth also doesn't follow the lines of her face (her chin towards us). Her neck is also too big.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:39:14 2014 No.1709889 >>1709864 >>1709869 I don't see how any of this as to do with mistaking synergy for rhythm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:42:46 2014 No.1709890 >>1709889 that wasn't the argument. it was whether synergy was as good a word for describing dispirit elements working in concert for an overall pleasing effect or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:48:00 2014 No.1709892 >>1709888 This is very helpful, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:48:39 2014 No.1709893 >>1708071 please rename the next thread "Animu Stylization Fails Thread"

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:52:30 2014 No.1709895

>>1709890
no, it's about be being oblivious to the term rhythm. Even if use synergy you're still left to the task about what the synergy is doing, which is rhythm. Synergy is stupid here. At least with rhythm you'll get sources to do further study on. It's an actual topic in Drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:59:01 2014 No.1709900 >>1709890 >dispirit elements working in concert for an overall pleasing effect or not They have a better word that. it's called "composition". There is also the terms: design, harmony or organic unity, which are related. How can you not know this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 00:59:53 2014 No.1709902 File: 126 KB, 525x871, samus1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] could someone redline this or give me some helpful criticism. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:00:04 2014 No.1709904 >>1709893 xD

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:01:42 2014 No.1709905 >>1709888 great stuff, your art must be great, got an artblog or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:01:50 2014 No.1709906 >>1709902 The synergy is all wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:02:35 2014 No.1709909 >>1709906 Is this the birth of a new meme :^)

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:02:40 2014 No.1709910
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>>1709895
no you're not. is english not your first language? things can be more or less synergistic. if the elements aren't working together that's bad synergy, if they're working well, flowing together then they're synergising well. you don't need to clarity and say, 'if you want a nice picture at the end' that's literally the context. most people can infer context...

wait a second PEOPLE can infer context.

so you can't be a person...

~duh duh duhhhh~

You're a pig.

get out of here pig.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:03:21 2014 No.1709911 >>1709860 what request?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:04:19 2014 No.1709913 >>1709906 I was just looking through the images on the thread, and I got the gist of it. I am going to keep synergy in mind when I do the gesture drawing process

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:10:07 2014 No.1709918 >>1709905 It's not that great. I'm the one doing >>1709828 somecallmejdawg.tumblr I post here too often...

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:10:45 2014 No.1709920

>>1709911
during the argument i asked if i could see his work. i wanted to see what it was like. mainly because he's being block headed about rhythm, which seems to be an oxymoron. so i wanted to see if his art was blocky or flowy.

naturally i was asked to show my work too. i offered a 'show me yours and i'll show mine' deal where i would do a version of whatever he showed. which he didn't agree to. someone called me a faggot and said,' just show your work.' so i said i would do a sensible request. but he didn't offer up a subject, so i didn't get to draw anything.

frankly i think some people were a little confused about who was who.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:13:17 2014 No.1709922 >>1709920 Stop posting

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:14:46 2014 No.1709923

>>1709910
>no you're not. is english not your first language?
It must be not be yours.

Harold Speed has several chapters dealing what you would call "synergy" in his book The Practice and Science of Drawing. But he uses the term "rhythm" instead. Nearly all of Bridgmans' books touch on the subject. He also uses the term "rhythm." Mike Mattesi's Force Drawing series is built around the the concept termed "rhythm". Even Vilipuu uses the term "rhythm" when talking about gestures

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:16:41 2014 No.1709926 >>1709920 My synergy is just fine thank you

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:17:07 2014 No.1709927 >>1709923 >Even Vilipuu uses the term "rhythm" when talking about gestures I vouch for this as I have just finished watching his video of gesture. I can't get enough of Vilppu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:19:05 2014 No.1709929 >>1709923 l2internet argument appeal to authority

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:20:11 2014 No.1709930 >>1709922 not until someone requests something dammit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:21:30 2014 No.1709931 >>1709930 Male Miku, now shut up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:27:39 2014 No.1709933 >>1709931 too silly. the world doesn't need more mikuo, something else

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:31:51 2014 No.1709934 >>1709933 draw synergy, but don't draw any rhythm in it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:33:32 2014 No.1709936 >>1709934 not possible :/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:36:37 2014 No.1709938 >>1709933 Then draw a cute loli with a fancy hairstyle. Is there really a lot of male miku?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:37:28 2014 No.1709939 >>1709938 quite a lot i think. otherwise i wouldn't of heard of it, i don't even know what sho miku's from.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:37:38 2014 No.1709940

>>1709936
no you're not. Synergy is dispirit elements working in concert for an overall pleasing effect or not. If the elements aren't working together that's bad synergy, if they're working well, flowing together then they're synergising well. It has nothing to do with rhythm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:44:49 2014 No.1709943 >>1709930 Quilladin pls

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:50:59 2014 No.1709945 File: 692 KB, 2560x1440, f4b4e0e5-e747-406d-9297-a126afd41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] rate my sasuke-kun pls first time posting on this board and yeah I'm aware the shoulders don't allign

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:58:10 2014 No.1709951 >>1709945 oh my god the image opened on full view so all I could see was the collarbone and it looked like a chinky dorito-chinned animu

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:00:57 2014 No.1709953
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>>1709940
my point was that rhythm and synergy are the same thing. maybe you think i'm the other guy.

anyway,

loli with hair!

athankyou.

sort of forgot i don't have my tablet here :p

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:04:39 2014 No.1709956 >>1709951 haha that's what my friends said as well

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:28:35 2014 No.1709967

>>1709953
>rhythm and synergy are the same thing
But they ain't exactly the same thing. Synergy can be used to describe how the "dispirited elements" are making the rhythm, but that doesn't mean it can stand in for what's really being discussed, the rhythm. And besides synergy is more about collaboration than a sense of directed movement, which is what the arrows were indicating in the first place. Using unfamiliar words here, when there is already plenty of history centered on better terms is asinine. If you were trying to help someone wouldn't it be fitting to use terms already established so the person can do further research on their on? How far do you think someone would get if they kept using the word coadjuvancy instead of using the word harmony, when talking about a work's composition? They would either get a lot of unnecessary questions or be called pretentious.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:31:29 2014 No.1709971

>>1709767
Its because you are copying things and then you add your own out of concept touch to it so you end up
with something like a frankenstein thing combination. Using reference is not bad, when you have some idea
and you want to get that hand right, or you can't remember how that muscle is supposed to took, but you are
using references not to help you solve problems, but to invent. You are not solving problems that way, and you
are not inventing, it's good to copy for practice but if that's all you ever do you will forever be afraid of the blank
canvas. Think, invent and then solve the problems.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:42:34 2014 No.1709977

>>1709967
was it dispirited, i meant disparate. *

anyway there's no talking to you. you win the argument. from now on no-one is allowed to use words that aren't pre approved by you. most people know what synergy is, you don't. no one can say synergy ever again. perhaps you can pull a 1984 and bring out a lexicon of allowable words,that way we can't accidentally be pretentious by using words you ain't heard before.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 03:15:11 2014 No.1709997

>>1709977
Hypothetically, is it possible for someone to never get the help they need, if they don't know how to ask the right questions? And, I'm completely going way out into left field here, is it also possible the questions could not be as effective if the basic terminology is absent?

And besides I don't understand how one line can be so radically different you can't compare it to other lines that are also a part of the same whole.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 03:27:11 2014 No.1710003

>>1709945
no top of the head/10

When I first began drawing animu the top of the head was always a problem because I left it last and I didn't know how heads work. With drawing animu especially it is hard to see the structure of the scalp underneath because of crazy retarded hair. I suggest you draw the scalp first next time and then add hair onto it, at least you won't be stuck with a drawing that looks unfinished, and it'll give you things to think about when it comes to structure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 03:55:20 2014 No.1710012 File: 125 KB, 480x854, e1fe7023-d67f-4fe6-a51a-4897b6b00.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1710003 ty for feedback, I was copying it from this picture, I'm not good at impromptu

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 04:22:24 2014 No.1710021 File: 331 KB, 502x572, Untitled-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1709834

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 04:42:11 2014 No.1710028 >>1709791 I don't see anything wrong with the last option. Needs More Penis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 04:42:33 2014 No.1710029 File: 422 KB, 900x750, 04 19 2014 01 smaller.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did some dumb colouring practice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 05:36:06 2014 No.1710047 >>1709828 Are you going to erase the line art? Otherwise proper lineart and hatching. And proper volume. And the armor doesn't have any real edges. Too small canvas for details?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 05:49:39 2014 No.1710050 Good show guys, you got my synergy focused on my appendage here in ecstacy. Very thrilling

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 06:50:16 2014 No.1710071 File: 295 KB, 700x863, 04 21 2014 01.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need help with this. I know it's off but I can't spot the things that are wrong. This is a commission so I've gotta make it good.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 07:24:58 2014 No.1710081

>>1710071
Try actually standing in the position you want her in, anon. Take note of the fact that the hip is usually lower on the leg that's bent, not higher. Combined with this, the way you've placed her feet makes her seem like she's not in the same space as he it. The partially hidden foot seems much too close to be convincing. I would also alter his shoulderblade, it seem large and low. His shirt is not as well put on, unless he is meant to be wearing something so tight it looks painted on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 07:26:01 2014 No.1710082 >>1710081 also that tangent where her elbow meets his shoulderblade

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 07:37:25 2014 No.1710088 >>1710071 The guy is passable, but there's problems with the girl. There's a few different problems, but the one you'd benefit the most from fixing is gesture. She just looks way too stiff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 07:52:53 2014 No.1710093 File: 1.52 MB, 2149x4808, littlegirlasain1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm starting to get a little tired of drawing porno

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 07:58:16 2014 No.1710099
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I'm starting to get a little tired of drawing porno

also thinking about taking to art class my last few terms at college because it looks like I have a few spare credits. Would i get in trubble fur drawing hawt anime babes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:24:30 2014 No.1710108 >>1710071 She has no proper legs and feet at all. Improve and cleanup the details there a bit. Work at rotating the legs and ankles properly with the feet.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:33:49 2014 No.1710113

>>1709748
why are you pretending as if synergy was some kind of overly pretentious word?
forget about getting laughed at, nobody would even notice it. on the contrary, you deserve to get laughed at for thinking this is important.

synergy is not the same as rhythm (duh). and that anon wasn't talking about rythm when he said synergy.
in fact, if he used "rhythm" in that post, it would've been more vague and non-descript than synergy, which describes it perfectly well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:37:12 2014 No.1710115 >>1710113 Why are you so pretentious?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:44:04 2014 No.1710117

>>1709843
i think that guy is too shit to post his art. he knows this, and deep inside it bothers him so he shitposts just to lash out.
i assume the other one already posted his/her art with >>1709417

>>1709797
>'show me yours and i'll show you mine.'
they never ever do that.
we should make it a rule to do this when challenged. just agree to both show your art and then do it. you get valuable feedback either way.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:48:48 2014 No.1710118

>>1710099
i am not sure if you'll even get the chance to draw anime in art class, you usually get to draw
what the teacher wants you to draw and study, if you get asked to draw something completely
yours then i guess just lower your drawings to socially acceptable levels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:50:41 2014 No.1710119 >>1710099 >Would i get in trubble fur drawing hawt anime babes? the way you draw them... probably

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:52:00 2014 No.1710120 File: 305 KB, 700x863, blueline.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1710071 needs more synergy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:55:34 2014 No.1710123 File: 48 KB, 688x564, animethread2014.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1710117 im not taking part in this discussion and afaik no one has posted their art. mytoppestofsynergies

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:57:48 2014 No.1710124 >>1710117 You just buttmad cause u can't into synergy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:59:58 2014 No.1710126 >>1710123 Then dont post, ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:04:04 2014 No.1710127 File: 133 KB, 848x837, ss (2014-04-21 at 09.03.07).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Alright fine here's a girl that's not a muscly rin

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:04:14 2014 No.1710128 >>1710126 Cancer's gotta go somewhere :^)

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:06:23 2014 No.1710129

>>1710115
what, was that too complicated for you? really?
then i'll write it out again, dummy:

the way OP used it was perfectly fine. becasue the main problem of that drawing was NOT flow or rhythm, it was that none of the lines worked together, the energy was distributed in random directions across the whole piece.

i really think it's exactly what the other anon said, you either don't seem to understand what synergy means or you don't understand the concept of weight and energy in a gesture.

like i said, synergy is it's own fucking word and does not meant rhythm. but OP obviously wasn't talking about rhythm in that image.>>1709417

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:16:25 2014 No.1710131 >>1710129 Does your weebness prevent you from admitting you're wrong? Is that what's really going on here?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:25:43 2014 No.1710135

>>1710131
i just joined the discussion.

>admitting you're wrong
and do you even read what you write? what do you think you're doing right now? it's pathetic.

alright, i'll simplify it even more for you:
rhythm is about the general concept. synergy was a better fit in this case because it adresses the issue more directly.
it was a perfectly fine choice for that specific critique.

again, just look at the OP >>1709417
i understood it perfectly when i read that. you on the other hand seem to insist that he use the word rhythm insead. why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:29:44 2014 No.1710138 >>1710135 >i just joined the discussion I don't care enough to read past that. Go play with your synergy or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:31:49 2014 No.1710139 >>1710126 Some do post every now and then. But it's never the shitposting side. ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:34:54 2014 No.1710144 >>1710138 epic meme :^) >lel everything is synergy. XD but that's exactly what i'm saying. "synergy" works well for that one example. but apparently you're just too much of a scrub artist to understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:43:58 2014 No.1710150 >>1710144 The word "cooking" would be a better word, but some how for some reason, and much like the word synergy, it just wouldn't be the most appropriate. I wonder why? Oh that's right, there is a better word: rhythm

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 09:55:13 2014 No.1710156

>>1710150
uh huh, so you're saying that as a critique, "no rhythm"
would be more clear than "no synergy" in >>1709417?

look at that fucking image again. use your head for a bit. there already is an attempt for rhythm, flow and movement in that image.
but the problem was that nothing was working together. as you know, there is a word to describe this: synergy.
writing "no rhythm" in this case would only make it more vague.
that's why i keep telling you synergy is it's own word, and it's not the same as rhythm. OP never intended to talk about rhythm, he was talking about synergy.

but hey, apparently you just don't understand what synergy means. it's ok anon, you're just stupid :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:03:59 2014 No.1710161 >>1710156 Ones is used more frequently in art, guess which one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:06:33 2014 No.1710163 >>1710161 >more frequently ...do you know what this means? or is the english language completely lost on you?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:08:16 2014 No.1710164
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This is something I did quite a while ago, and was one of my few forays into animu-ish stuff (the Misaka in the top left, and the leg). It was very difficult to do the former, so I was wondering if there was a way to get 'used' to anime-style.

Also, I just wanted to post something for once. The thread is derailing fast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:13:22 2014 No.1710168 >>1710164 Are you chicken scratching on purpose to achieve some effect? This is some heavy chicken scratching.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:15:30 2014 No.1710169

>>1710164
try to do continuous lines with as few strokes as possible.

work more slowly and carefully.
and really, just draw as concentrated as possible. at first it'll be frustrating because you realize just how much you don't know. but that's what you will have to overcome.

right now it just looks like scribbly beginner shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:16:14 2014 No.1710170 >>1710168 Like I said, it was months ago. Still, drawing on a tablet is difficult for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:22:55 2014 No.1710177 File: 444 KB, 769x678, scroto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] To me, this thread looks like a mix of Sargent and Bouguereau.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:24:35 2014 No.1710179

>>1710170
This type of linework dont only show bad line control but also that you are very unsure of what you want to draw
or how to draw what you want. Instead of thinking about what you want to show and adding your line accordingly
you add random lines without thought here and there expecting your forms to happen by accident. That's why
chicken scratching is bad, not just because you're scratches look unpresentable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:25:38 2014 No.1710182 >>1710179 *sketches

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:29:50 2014 No.1710186 take your shit to /lit/ so they can laugh about your abuse of language

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:35:21 2014 No.1710190
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>>1710179
Thank you. I just felt that getting the idea down was more important, and I could clean it all up later. But, the idea was so hard to flesh out, like you said, because I didn't really know how I wanted to do it. And By the time I reached a point where I could say, "I'm done," I was too tired and too fed up to even bother. This is usually the case with my drawings.

Firefox keeps selecting the picture I already posted, so here's some Vilppu gestures I did as warm ups recently. I like to think I've improved, at least a little.

>>	GreyDeath Mon Apr 21 10:46:57 2014 No.1710195 >>1710071 Characters are on two different perspective planes.

>>	GreyDeath Mon Apr 21 10:51:38 2014 No.1710197 >>1710021 Looks good in the thumbnail, but it's too sloppy when opened. You could juxtapose the skritchy linework with some simpler blocked-in colors using the polygon lasso tool to define the forms. Could be an interesting mix.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:52:13 2014 No.1710199
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>>1710190
Of course it's important to get the idea down fast, but do a gesture for those things and use a bit of
a bigger brush if that makes it a bit easier to see and target your lines, but don't try to sculpture your
forms with little lines, that usually makes everything stiff. Here is an example of what you should be
trying to achieve,his lines might be fast and without any technical concerns at this state, but almost
all of his lines are confident and have a reason to exist. Also go watch some pixiv chat of good artist
so you can see their workflow.

>>	GreyDeath Mon Apr 21 10:58:47 2014 No.1710203 >>1710127 Colors are a bit muddy, and the inner linework could be a bit thinner in places. Like the overall design and concept.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 10:59:02 2014 No.1710205 >>1710199 Thank you again. The side by side comparison gave me a bit of an inferiority complex, though. What's the artist's name? I feel like I've seen that before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:07:02 2014 No.1710212 >>1710205 Not sure, got it from this thread http://zip.2chan.net/11/res/32926.htm

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:15:32 2014 No.1710218 >>1710212 >go to page >google translate >masturbation thread >masturbation everywhere I like that place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:20:57 2014 No.1710223 File: 208 KB, 1024x724, 1396126257782.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1710218 >what am i looking at

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:34:03 2014 No.1710230 >>1710218 Foreigners are excluded and not able to post so you won't be able to shitpost and turn it into /ic/ 2.0

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:39:33 2014 No.1710237 >>1710230 Calm down pecos bobby, OP literally called it a masturbation thread. I've no desire to post there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:44:02 2014 No.1710239 >>1710230 Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:46:01 2014 No.1710242 >>1710239 I don't know but my guess is they don't want people like us shitting up their board and for good reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:53:38 2014 No.1710250 >>1710242 Thing is there are really bad op there and people actually help them

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:59:25 2014 No.1710255

>>1710250
My point exactly, that places emphasizes technical skill, perspective, gesture, forms, anatomy, what I am trying to say is they actually practice fucking fundamentals and actually discuss and share information pertaining to fundamentals.

I wish we could be more like them but nope we're stuck with bitter oldfags who throw bitch fits and derail threads if they don't have their way or if they see something they don't like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:05:46 2014 No.1710259 >>1710255 Buuut the worst is people who replied to them... In any case ill keep lurking there are really good redlines . some of them reminds me of 033

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:12:04 2014 No.1710262

>>1710255
What does that have anything to do with oldfags? In fact the oldfags are pretty much only faggots here that care about the fundamentals. I mean Newfags don't even bother with the sticky.

I think the biggest difference between us and them is in general attitude. Western Culture is a lot more competitive and not as altruistic, everyone here in reality couldn't care less about being truly helpful, they're all too busy with their heads up their own arses trying to "make it".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:18:26 2014 No.1710265 >>1710163 Or you just don't understand the question, nice strawman though. Synergy is a bad choice deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:45:40 2014 No.1710301 >>1710212 So many good references Make a link to that futaba in the top post?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:46:35 2014 No.1710302 guys how do I handle difficult poses. -lying down with an unusual angle -foreshortening poses I need to get gut with it because Im going to draw porn and that kind of poses are required. When I try to practise them I never can do them right im lost.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:57:15 2014 No.1710314
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>>1710301
Also pixiv chat. Its surprising how many don't know it and you can find very admirable artists
from time to time doing drawings there and you can watch their workflow which is very important.

>>1710302
If you want to draw all kind of poses from imagination all you have to do is simplify the body even more, for example
thing of the arm as 2 cylinders that overlap each other and you can foshorthen it, then add details over it, the same thing
apply to the body. Get really good in still life and be able to draw simple shapes correctly in very obscure angles and with
enough practice and you can do that with the whole human body. Also learn body language, so you don't end up doing unnatural
or stiff and awkward poses, this is different from gesture, you can get good at gesture and still come up with very goofy poses.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:04:57 2014 No.1710327

>>1710265
you're not getting it are you.
you said "more frequently", as in "rhythm is used more frequently than synergy" or vice versa. which implies that BOTH words are in fact used by people. or are you telling me you always have to use rhythm instead of synergy? then why does that word even exist?

it's a fucking retarded arguement in the first place, because it doesn't matter which one is used more than the other because they are not the same word so you can't always replace one with the other.

but nevermind that, none of what you say matters at all, the only thing that matters is that the word was used correctly. the entire thing has exactly NOTHING to do with art history.
gesture, and all that stuff are concepts and you can use whatever you like to describe it.
RHYTHM is a part of gesture, but so is SYNERGY. it's just not that common to talk about synergy.
synergy is just a fucking word, there is no reason why you should use "rhythm" when you are in fact talking about synergy.

i can guess what went down here: synergy wasn't a part of your acive vocabulary, this is why:
-you have trouble understanding how to use it
-you started this entire retarded arguement in the first place
-you're trying to replace it with another word that is more common but doesn't fit as well.

because you keep saying shit like this as if it matters:
>"one is used more often than the other"
..you do know that they are two completely different words with different meanings, right?
>people say apple way more often than banana, so banana is a useless word, we should always use apple.
this is literally you.

>>1710262
i think the main difference is that people here lack the ability to take it easy.
a light and semi joking /ic/ has always been the best /ic/. but it only happens rarely.
>me in charge of taking it easy when someone says retarded shit

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:08:52 2014 No.1710335
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>>1710314
Ah yes, I do still lifes. Doing them in obscure angles is a good tip.

well I dont neccesary want to do them from imagination I mostly support myself with reference but I still cant handle it even with photo.

<-- egxample of what I got hard times with

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:14:29 2014 No.1710341

>>1710335
Learn enough information about the insides and outsides of the body to be able to break it down in simple shapes
and be able to draw said simple shapes in all kind of perspective situations. That's mostly all there is to it leaving out the
details, it just takes time and practice of many different skills coming to a certain level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:19:06 2014 No.1710345 >>1710341 ok thanks, it seems im going in the right direction.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:24:33 2014 No.1710351
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>>1710345
Found this if you haven't seen it yet since it gets passed around a lot.
This is basically what i am talking about, even though the right drawing is constructed of simple
shapes it looks more human than the dawning of the left. Get to know the body, and the brake it down
with logical simple shapes,then connect them with muscle and flesh while you add details.
That's of course only one way of doing it, you will many times finde very experienced artist going straight
to the final lines, but i suggest you give this method a try for a start, gesture then simple shapes and then final details.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:29:08 2014 No.1710360 >>1710351 ah yes, the teal tips. I got them from sticky. Im doing baisicly as you say I think that the lack of my expiriance is the issue now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:31:45 2014 No.1710362 >>1710012 >naruto daily

>>	GreyDeath Mon Apr 21 15:04:18 2014 No.1710442 File: 226 KB, 776x1200, AT140421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nother page

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 15:26:40 2014 No.1710463 >>1710442 where i can read your comic ?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 15:28:18 2014 No.1710465

>>1710047
I'm not going to erase the lineart. Could you expand on what you said, though? What do you mean the armour doesn't have real edges? I'm going to deal with line weight when I figure out what the background will be and where the light source is coming from.

Canvas is larger than that, don't worry.

GreyDeath Mon Apr 21 15:47:14 2014 No.1710494

>>1710463

It's Myth-Told Tales #2. The publisher is looking do a Kickstarter for this issue and the next one. I'm getting some pages ready for it, but will keep on working on it since it'll have to be done sooner or later.

AFAIK, the publisher's only looking to do a printed book. Yeah, yeah, shocking I know. He'll probably want it available for DragonCon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 15:51:42 2014 No.1710506 >>1710465 I think what he means is that the armor looks "flat". Instead, it should have at least some sense of thickness to it, either through lines or through shading. Other anons can correct me if I'm wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 16:08:23 2014 No.1710537 New thread: >>1710533 >>1710533 >>1710533

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 18:42:51 2014 No.1710728 >>1710327 You need to pull those sandals out ass, Phil. Rhythm is the word of choice. I don't care about your cheesy grammar strawman excuses. Rhythm has an historic significance with drawing. It's just that simple, deal with it sissy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 22:19:20 2014 No.1710962 >>1708943 I bet after that you're going to point at 1 year old kids trying to walk, then kick them in the head and laugh at how pathetic they are.

>>	Faggneto Mon Apr 21 22:40:10 2014 No.1710989 File: 937 KB, 1536x2048, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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