Newbie General

[Anonymous No.1699779]

Newbie General: A single thread for those who are still inexperienced, so the board doesn’t get flooded with NewGuy posts.

Read the sticky before asking questions.

[Anonymous No.1699782]

Loomis is love

Loomis is life

[Anonymous No.1699783]

Is a drawing ever too far beyond saving? I just feel completely defeated by jake gyllenhaals god damn hair. I just cannot for the life of me lay down a single line that remotely even looks like it. I can see the lines, I know what it's supposed to look like, and I just fucking can't. It's really pissing me off.

Alternatively tips for drawing that fucking hair, I'm just using a mechanical pencil.

[Anonymous No.1699784]

how do i draw

[Anonymous No.1699791]

>>1699782
Loomis is life, Vilppu is hometown.

>>1699783
Put the sides down first, they look simpler. Than practice drawing a thorny chaotic mass on scrap paper. Don't bother trying to duplicate the exact movements of his hair in that particular photo exactly, just go for the 'feel' of it, if that makes sense.

Could I get some help with my bloke-balls? As long as they are facing straight ahead I'm fine, but I can't seem to drag them into the third dimension properly. I can draw much more realistic faces but once I try turn them even slightly I completely fall to pieces. What am I doing/not doing right/wrong?

[Anonymous No.1699792]

>>1699783
I would just simplify his hair to three shapes (sides and top of the head). The spikes/strands on the top would just be some texture that wraps around the surface of the top shape and breaks through at some points.

>>1699784
-pud pen on paepah
-moov pen
-XDDDD :DDDD

[Anonymous No.1699793]

>>1699791
>>1699792

I did what you said, it came out alright. I was trying to draw in a more realistic style for this drawing since I usually draw really cartoony, so I really wanted to not just draw hair that was a shape but I guess that's how it's gotta be.

how would you draw the shines on his skin/beard with just a mech pencil? I just put light outlines of the highlights but I definitely did not convey the wet feel at all. He just looks like a handsome guy who sort of looks like gyllenhaal.

I had a lot of trouble with his eyes as well, couldn't get the right amount of slant to roundness. And I made his head in general a little too short, ugh. This whole drawing in general made me really butthurt

[Anonymous No.1699795]

>>1699791
Construction, bruv. You gotta get out of that symbol mode and see the head as different shapes and planes. Imagine adding shapes to a basketball.

[Anonymous No.1699794]

>>1699793

[Anonymous No.1699796]

>>1699791
Try to draw more meridians and parallels, so you can keep eyes and ears at the same height and at the same distance from the zero meridian.

Why not draw some cubes first. Then work them into balls.

[Anonymous No.1699798]

>>1699794
Your drawing seriously lacks depth. And some proportions are fucked. Just start with a basic rectangular bounding box, draw lines to get the height of the landmarks right and then "chisel" away what's too much.

[Anonymous No.1699800]

>>1699798

Yeah, my drawings often lack depth. How can I fix that? I try to add shadows and shading and it still looks flat.

[Anonymous No.1699801]

>>1699800
You gotta see the facial planes and build the face, otherwise you're pretty much symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.1699802]

>>1699800
>>1699794
>>1699793

[Anonymous No.1699803]

>this thread
o no

[Anonymous No.1699806]

>>1699800
Draw more from life. Always draw from life.

[Anonymous No.1699812]

Isn't /ic/ newbie general?

[Anonymous No.1699813]

>>1699795
>>1699801
I'm trying to, but they all just seem like symbols of shapes and planes when I draw them, like somebody just drew them on top of a basketball instead of them being 3D extrusions and indentations.

>>1699796
Okay so I drew more lines around the ball. How do I know these lines are correct (because they don't look like it)? How do I evenly place lines across a sphere, in perspective and at an angle?

>>1699806
>Draw more from life. Always draw from life.
What on earth does this mean anyway? Does a figure study from a photograph count or does it have to be 'live' real-life?

[Anonymous No.1699815]

>>1699813
>I'm trying to, but they all just seem like symbols of shapes and planes when I draw them, like somebody just drew them on top of a basketball instead of them being 3D extrusions and indentations.
It takes a very long time to get right, don't get discouraged but this is part of the very fundamentals of drawing, breaking things into shapes and adding them together.

>Okay so I drew more lines around the ball. How do I know these lines are correct (because they don't look like it)? How do I evenly place lines across a sphere, in perspective and at an angle?
The best way I can describe it is to Imagine putting rubber bands around a ball and rotating it observing where the bands are in correlation to how the ball is oriented.

>What on earth does this mean anyway? Does a figure study from a photograph count or does it have to be 'live' real-life?
A photograph is static and the information is unchanging. If you draw from life your brain solves more problems and works harder to get the correct information because it's always changing. Everyone is different but you tend to learn faster if you draw from life than just staying focused on photographs.

If you haven't done so I'd strongly recommend Betty Edward's Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain *workbook* and Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson. Those books will help you develop a skill set so you can better solve problems with shapes and construction.

[Anonymous No.1699816]

i mean you set the bar pretty low by making a "newbie general" but these posts here are ridicously bad.

are you guys even trying? like seriously.

[Anonymous No.1699820]

>>1699783
squint your eyes. What do you see? just a mass of black with a few white highlights.that's how you should approach all hair. it's just a mass of values, shadows and highlights. curly and spiky hair has more masses, which makes it more complicated, but it's all the same process.

[Anonymous No.1699824]

what's next, general general?

[Anonymous No.1699842]

>>1699816
everyone starts somewhere, but I thank you for welcoming the newbs to /ic/ and showing them the sort of constructive critique they can receive from some of our members.

[Anonymous No.1699846]

What does /ic/ think about this?

[Anonymous No.1699868]

>>1699846
Why is that poor creature bruised so badly?

[Anonymous No.1699867]

>>1699842
there is being a noob and there is not every trying.

>>1699813
>>1699791

these posts are ridicoulus. this guy cant even draw a circle. how does he expect to get perspective right? not to mention that he obviously doesnt understand what he is trying to do. i mean come on, you cant just fucking draw with 100 opacity, get horrible results, and then post them online expecting to get constructive critique.
he cant even do the minimum requirement for this shit: drawing a circle. how is he suppossed to understand perspective if he cant put down a single straight line? why the fuck does he post shit that took him like 5 seconds to draw?
i need about half an hour alone for a single fucking head construnction because i am not good. but here is the thing: i take my time with it and it helps me getting somewhere. how does anyone expect to be taken seriously when he just smears shit all over a piece of paper? how about putting a fucking effort into this before posting.

this is the reason i dont like these threads. they only attract noobs and encourage them to post their overly shitty drawings. it's obvious that most of these people will never get anywhere with their art. they have yet to start trying.
heck , i am noticably better than them (and still so far away from being good) and i have yet to post a single drawing of mine in any thread. why? because i understand how /ic/ works. /ic/ needs elitism. it keeps us save from ending up like reddit's art subreddits where clueless people ask other clueless people stupid questions about things they dont even understand in the slightest.

you are welcome.

[Anonymous No.1699869]

>newbie general
oh boi finally!

how am i doing guys? i really want to improve

also, where can i find a guide about eye in different perspectives?

[Anonymous No.1699870]

>>1699867
Neither of these Anons, but post your drawing that you are most proud of, just very curious on where you are at.

[Anonymous No.1699871]

>>1699869
also, im trying to draw this girl i like but im feeling lost, ive tried starting from zero a few times but i dont know how to make it look like its really her

any advice?

[Anonymous No.1699872]

>>1699870
>post your drawing

can't do for several reasons:

1) there is no such drawing that i am most proud of
2) i barely have any drawings on my pc
3) this will add nothing to the discussion and is completely irrelevant

[Anonymous No.1699874]

>>1699872
4) I have seen the scene in Good Will Hunting, so you can go fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1699877]

>>1699874
i have yet to see good will hunting. i only know the scene from jay and silent bob strike back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnESedN4vSI

[Anonymous No.1699876]

>>1699801
do you have a larger version of that picture?

[Anonymous No.1699878]

>>1699872
Translation incoming
>i'm scared of posting my work
>i'm a troll
>i somehow have access to a computer but no access whatsoever to a camera
>shitting on people is an entirely valid form of critique
>no one who is good at drawig was ever bad at drawing

[Anonymous No.1699879]

>>1699846
>What does /ic/ think about this?
It's a dog. In perfect profile. There isn't really anything 'wrong' with it, besides the fact that because its in perfect profile it looks flat, and is thus easier to draw than a dog at an angle.

>>1699815
How do I practice this stuff without just doing it wrong and reinforcing bad habits like symbol drawing? I've tried some of the drills from Keys, but all I get is scribbles. No lines, no forms, no shapes no symbols, no discernible representation, just scribbles. What did I do wrong?

I totally understand the concept of drawing shapes that make up things rather than the things themselves but I can't find a way to drill actually DOING that into my head.

>>1699867
>why the fuck does he post shit that took him like 5 seconds to draw?
I wish, more along the lines of 30 minutes from blank canvas to the first ( >>1699791 ). But thats beside the point. I could spend hours on one of those faces, and it would still suffer from what I am trying to improve on, perspective and shape.

See this picture? That was a couple hours of shading. I thought I was totally hot shit because I did that. Then a kind /ic/er pointed out to me that I couldn't into shape or perspective to save my own ass. So now I'm trying to improve.

Thats why I post ugly shit like those non-circuler circles, in the hopes that someone can give me some pointers so that in the future my stuff will be less ugly.

[Anonymous No.1699882]

>>1699867
I translated it from being a dick:
also not >>1699878 but hah for thinking similarly
You're trying to climb a mountain when you haven't trained enough to know what you're getting into.
start from the bottom, first of all, you obviously lack fundamentals, so its best for you to stay away from your tablet until you can draw on paper first. practice, a lot. Look at tutorials online, for BEGINNERS, you are not intermediate yet and im sad to say that that is indeed the truth.
The training is hard and the climb is worse, but dont get discouraged

[Anonymous No.1699880]

>>1699872
If it makes you feel more comfortable I can take a screenshot of my drawing, there is really nothing to be afraid of. Stop making excuses.

[Anonymous No.1699881]

>>1699867
>heck , i am noticably better than them (and still so far away from being good)
>/ic/ needs elitism
That elitism comes with skill and technical ability, asshole, not by shitting on every possible post as hard as you possibly can.

You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about and you want to feel better and cool because you're totally down with "board culture". The point of criticism is to tell someone their mistakes and how they can improve on them, not shit on everything as hard
as possible and being a condescending nimrod that thinks he's hot shit because he finished FWAP, It's in the fucking rules. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread then get the fucking fuck out because you aren't proving any point, you're just being a massive shit head.

>>1699876

>>1699879
You *have* to start making mistakes. This isn't something measured in days and weeks ut months and years.

[Anonymous No.1699884]

>>1699878
>>1699874
i like how you distract from the original topic and try using me-not-posting-my-work as a reason to attack me even though we all know that if i had posted my work upon your request your would have used that to attack me and my work instead of actually trying to read and learn something from what i wrote because we all know that my post is inherently the truth and you 2(prolly samefag) are butthurt little 12 year olds.
but get this: i dont feel sorry for insulting you. you are cancer. your work sucks, your "effort"(if you could even call it that) sucks and your little ad hominem thing you got going on there sucks too. maybe one day you will not act like a 12 year old(but for that to happen you would have some growing up to do first).

[Anonymous No.1699885]

>>1699882
>Look at tutorials online, for BEGINNERS,
Whats more beginners than FWAP?

[Anonymous No.1699886]

>>1699884
This is I.

>>1699880
>>1699870
I don't know where you got the idea of samefag because clearly there are multiple Anons here and it seems I am not the only one curious about your most recent work. No one is attacking you, friend.

[Anonymous No.1699887]

>>1699886
>No one is attacking you, friend.


i like how you lack reading comprehension and make assumptions based on your own post while either completely ignoring or not understanding everything else in this thread

[Anonymous No.1699888]

>>1699871
Terrible reference for drawing.

[Anonymous No.1699890]

>>1699888
why is that? i just choosed my favorite pic from her

[Anonymous No.1699889]

>>1699879
see
>>1699882
that picture is almost shit tier
stop trying so hard to jump the gun and start from the bottom like everyone else did
>>1699885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdRSpYPQFNo

[Anonymous No.1699892]

>>1699887
Until you post a drawing you recently did, don't bother replying to me because this is all you're going to get:

Show me a drawing.

[Anonymous No.1699894]

>>1699884
Yea man get it all out, that enema you took is really working. Your opinion is shit no matter what you say. "Omg these people suck and are a cancer" good for you. Hide the thread or go be butthurt about people posting work somewhere else. I'm not distracting from the issue, I'm calling you a scared insecure cunt because it's what you are.

[Anonymous No.1699893]

>>1699890
shitty quality, too grainy and hard to see defined features

[Anonymous No.1699897]

>>1699890
Substantial lens distortion, very poor clarity, somewhat lackluster lighting. The lens distortion is the biggest issue. Learn how long lenses and wide lenses distort an image as compared to normal human vision.

[Anonymous No.1699898]

>>1699894
>>>/reddit/

My opinion is truth no matter what you say. I am the elitism /ic/ needs. You are just cancer making this board worse with your shitty drawings. Just shut the fuck up and come back when you are good.

[Anonymous No.1699899]

>>1699893
>>1699897

oh thanks now i get it, also do you have any advice on adding features or something like that? placing dimples or face features like that one is a bloody nightmare

[Anonymous No.1699900]

>>1699890
>>1699897
And I forgot to add:
Bad cropping. You can't really draw a portrait from a reference that crops away part of the head unless you already know what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.1699902]

>>1699892
well you asked for it

[Anonymous No.1699904]

>>1699899
It helps to know your anatomy. Focus on learning the major forms of the head as a whole first, then slowly refine from there. As for placement issues when working from a reference, you could always use various visual measuring techniques (comparing where the start and end points of the dimple line up on horizontal and vertical lines for example).

[Anonymous No.1699909]

>>1699900
>>1699904
thanks once again, i forgot to ask something btw
what is best for practice? i usually try fast sketchs like the old loomis guys or another fast stylized faces based from photos, am i doing it right or there's another better way?

[Anonymous No.1699913]

>>1699779
Why does it seem like the sticky was written by an incompetent person? Not joking, it feels like it was written by an arrogant newbie. Isn't there anything better? Shouldn't there be some kind of standards? Shouldn't the person writing it have at least some kind background in art? Is the sticky a joke? I don't get it, why keep referring to it, if it's so horrible. I thought it was to help newbies.

[Anonymous No.1699916]

>>1699913
It was communally designed iirc. If you have legitimate ideas for improvement then share them.

[Anonymous No.1699920]

>>1699913
cynical asshole of the thread here: yeah the sticky needs to be redone and we should post the rules so they are visible for everyone. apparantly having to click on the link that takes you to the rules is too much work for most people.

the links in the sticky are fine. the section on tablets for example sucks, the beginner could be better even though figuring out where to start shouldnt be too hard.

[Anonymous No.1699924]

>>1699920
> bitch and moan
> contribute nothing
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.1699925]

What's with all the negativity in here ?
Jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.1699927]

My high school art teacher gave me dynamic figure drawing to study from (Burne Hogarth) Do these look okay? If not how can i fix them/redline please?
1/3

[Anonymous No.1699928]

>>1699925
some troll/smartass came in here and /ic/ took the bait

[Anonymous No.1699926]

>>1699924
the ironing, oh the ironing.

[Anonymous No.1699931]

>>1699795
you have one of these for lady faces?

[Anonymous No.1699929]

>>1699927
2/3

[Anonymous No.1699932]

>>1699929
3/3
I'm trying to sketch closer together as well, do i can use more space for more drawings

[Anonymous No.1699935]

>>1699931
It's the same exact shit with female mugs m8

[Anonymous No.1699936]

>>1699931
yeah, proportions are pretty much the same. Its just the angles, shape of the face that are different

[Anonymous No.1699938]

>>1699898
>elite
>won't post work because they probably don't even draw just come here to feel better about their shit life

No you're the fuck that makes this place a playground for trolls fuck off already

[Anonymous No.1699940]

>>1699935
>>1699936
idk, my lady faces keep looking like male faces with very effeminate eyes and lips. i guess it could be that im giving them man skulls.

[Anonymous No.1699943]

>>1699940
its usually in the jaw line from what ive seen

[Anonymous No.1699945]

>>1699938
elitism is a way of thinking, anon.

>won't post work because they probably don't even draw just come here to feel better about their shit life

you say that and i am not trying to prove you wrong(even though you are). just deal with it. i am not gonna post anything because it is completely irrelevant to the point i am making.

i get it though, i tend to distract from my point by using a lot of curse words but you know, that's just how i talk. i like to curse. this has nothing to do with me being mad or some other shit. that's just how i talk. it tends to distract people from what i am actually talking about but then i also gotta blame you for taking this way too personal and being a butthurt little bitch instead of actually tring to analyze what i am saying. because i do raise valid points. whatever. we both know that you will reply with some more of your retarded shit like "hurr it's bait and i am right because you are cursing". no you are not right. you are just way too easily distracted by superficial blemishes.

[Anonymous No.1699946]

>>1699943
I don't have a scanner handy, but I usually draw lady jaws as a sort of short drop from the ear with a gentle curve into the jaw, and a narrow chin, while men drop more from the ear and angle sharply towards a flatter, wider chin.

[Anonymous No.1699948]

Is Vilppu's "Drawing Manual" a good alternative to Fun with a Penis ?
My autism can't handle the way Loomis wrote that shit.

[Anonymous No.1699953]

>>1699945
>Doesn't post work on /ic/ because its not relevant on artwork/critique
>Posting drawings is not relevant
>On artwork/critique
>Not relevant

[Anonymous No.1699956]

>>1699953
dude shut the fuck up and he will go away
damn
get back to helping the newbies

[Anonymous No.1699958]

>>1699956
please this
this so much

[Anonymous No.1699957]

>>1699953
wow you are one butthurt retard.
you are taking everything i said out of context while trying to make a point that is completely irrelevant to what i was originally talking about.

no wonder you try to hard defending this shit thread.
(hint: now you are allowed to feel offended).

[Anonymous No.1699960]

>>1699802
you should probably never redline again
Ever.

[Anonymous No.1699963]

>>1699956
>dude shut the fuck up and he will go away

nope. i am not even saying this to spite you. i am just stating a fact. i have nothing against you people. dont talk about me like i am not here. if you have to say something then do it.

sooner or later you will realize that elitism is good. it's what 4chan needs more of. it's too keep the newfags from making shitty threads and encourages them to lurk more and get to know a board's culture first before asking stupid questions. it's something that has gone missing on many boards and it's crucial that we keep up the spirit.

you know what you are doing with this thread? attracting more and more people who arent serious about drawing. they will significantly lower the quality of the board with their posts. i want feedback from people who know what they are doing. these people will disappear and we will end up just like reddit if you keep encouraging newfags to actively post their utterly shitty drawings instead of just shutting the fuck up, learning how to draw and then asking for critique when they are somewhat good.

you should really consider listening to me. i do make valid points. i am not just some faggot troll and wether i post a drawing or not has fucking nothing to do with what i am saying.

you are just digging the board's grave with your thread.

[Anonymous No.1699965]

>>1699948
pls respond

[Anonymous No.1699967]

>>1699965
you see, this is what you get from these threads. everyone is just mindlessly shouting " needs more loomis". with a little bit more elitism we would have never gotten there because as a matter of fact FWAP sucks.

>>1699205

pic related

[Anonymous No.1699969]

>>1699909
>what is best for practice? i usually try fast sketchs like the old loomis guys or another fast stylized faces based from photos, am i doing it right or there's another better way?

Drawing from life is always the most informative. Stick with simpler forms before moving on to complex forms.

I'd also steer away from trying to do anything fast. Take your time to get things right, speed will come on its own.

[Anonymous No.1699970]

>>1699871
You can benefit from studying space a little bit.
Use any form of line to identify regions of the subject, so you can have an ideal illustration of your intentions.

[Anonymous No.1699972]

>>1699963
>Muh secret clubhouse!

Think for a moment here, these people that "know what they are doing" will eventually leave anyways. /ic/ is not your personal bootcamp, it is not your personal instructor and it sure as hell does not know how to give a proper critique for most of the time.

You take feedback/critique for what it is, it can be given by someone who's never drawn before and it may seem like this person knows their shit but in reality they're just spewing out parroted remarks and regurgitated feedback over and over again.

With that being said, I personally see no problem seeing threads like this it gives /ic/ a reason to critique more for beginners as I myself am an absolute beginner.

[Anonymous No.1699971]

>>1699913
Good to know that stickyfag is still around to bitch about the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1699974]

>>1699972
>Think for a moment here, these people that "know what they are doing" will eventually leave anyways. /ic/ is not your personal bootcamp, it is not your personal instructor and it sure as hell does not know how to give a proper critique for most of the time.


which, ironically, are also all arguments against this very thread.


>With that being said, I personally see no problem seeing threads like this it gives /ic/ a reason to critique more for beginners as I myself am an absolute beginner.

what a surprise. makes everything you just said invalid btw and i wont take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.1699975]

>>1699970
oh boi oh boi, this is genius, i dont know why i even forgot to apply this

>>1699969
much appreciated anon

[Anonymous No.1699977]

>>1699946
>>1699932
>>1699929
>>1699927
>>1699948

these anons still need assistance
stop being autistic and actually give some people what they are looking for
Im also new and would like to hear what more experienced artists have to say

[Anonymous No.1699978]

>self appointed vanguard and protector of /ic/
>can't draw
>can't critique

[Anonymous No.1699979]

>>1699970
You are retarded, no offense. To do measurements like in your picture, only use vertical and horizontal lines. When trying to draw with measurements using bizarre scaffolding like you've got there in the pic, you'll certainly make a shitty drawing/

it's a lot easier to see and evaluate 90 degree angles than say, 23 degrees and 67 degrees, etc.

don't give advice until you gain more experience

[Anonymous No.1699980]

>>1699974
>what a surprise. makes everything you just said invalid btw and i wont take it seriously.

What is wrong with being an absolute beginner? It's more reason for me to learn more about forms that are affected by light and shadow as well as perspective. If you are not able to draw form imagination then by definition from the sticky you are an absolute beginner and I fall under that category like many others and I presume that includes yourself since you still have not shown a single drawing unless you point me to it otherwise.

[Anonymous No.1699981]

>>1699977
the thing is, you dont need the feedback of a more experienced artist at your stage.
look at your drawing, if you cant see your mistakes yourself then you should probably give up drawing.

>>1699978
won't != can't my friend

also you'd do me a favor if you'd stop samefagging.

[Anonymous No.1699983]

>>1699927
The point of this and other anatomy books is to apply it to your studies. Learn the the forms and look for it when you draw figures.

[Anonymous No.1699985]

>>1699979
I don't think those were measurements, more like lines that show the relation of objects in his drawing in comparison to the real picture
>>1699981
there's a difference between not knowing when something is wrong, and asking for assistance in fixing the problem they have when they arent experienced enough to see subtle things that people who have studied art for years can
>>1699983
thats what i plan to do, just making sure im on the right track when it comes to the actual muscle structures and whatnot

[Anonymous No.1699989]

>>1699979
measurements? I was merely identifying parts of how the object relates to itself.
>>1699985
pretty much just said it too..

[Anonymous No.1700001]

>>1699779
How much should I draw on a daily basis?
What specific exercises should I do?
Should I focus on one aspect of practice a week or practice everything every day?

[Anonymous No.1700006]

>>1700001
draw as much as you can.
ideally if you want to git gud you should be drawing at least 6-12 hours a day. the more the better.
practice the fundamentals first then move on to specific areas of study. if I were you i'd stop drawing figures and go back to shapes and volume. it's obvious that you haven't fully internalized the basics yet.

[Anonymous No.1700005]

>>1700001
Do it as much as you can for as long as you can. As far as a schedules go think of as going to the gym. Warm up and I would recommend to work on something specific for each day.

[Anonymous No.1700019]

>>1700001
You draw with knowledge, study and draw with purpose and meaning, measuring, think about the form and space. You are problem solving dimensions and planes in perspective, think about that.

Draw everyday as long as you are constantly problem solving and thinking and before you know it you will soon experience an enlightenment and begin to feel things when they are out of proportion when they don't "look" right. Be patient and persistent.

[Anonymous No.1700036]

>>1699916
>If you have legitimate ideas for improvement then share them.

Okay. How about using correct grammar for starters? It's a shame that something that is meant to be shared and nobody can read through it rightly. Drop the whole, "symbol drawing" shtick. It doesn't appear to be substantially understood well enough to endorse and is really needless. Lot's of people have different reasons for their art looking unappealing. Besides, a lack of an approach is the probably the most common reason, not symbol drawing. It needs to be more organized and planned out. The sections need to have clear goals stated in the title or at least in the beginning. And they need have a sense of unity to them. Having several sections about beginner is redundant. And suddenly going off in different subjects is confusing. There needs to be a better explanation of the terms. An art glossary of some kind would help. That way people can be on a common ground understanding the artsy terms. The exercises need to be explained better. You need to tell how to properly do it, to get the best effect; be clear and defining about the lessons that are to be extracted; and provide questions to think about so has to encourage a critical reflection. And there needs to be more exercises to accompany each section. Giving more exercise to play with, encourages learning. The links need to be looked over again. It's not fair to the bulk of the knowledge leads to paywalls of some kind, or are linked vaguely. If there is a specific topic, then link to it specifically. The resources need to appear legit, reputable and be more open. Not everybody can afford every premium services suggested to them. And having people scourer the site for the intended information is insulting.

[Anonymous No.1700047]

>>1700036
For somebody who criticizes another for incorrect grammar (which wasn't even incorrect to begin with), you sure are incapable of writing something that isn't a fucking wall of text.

[Anonymous No.1700056]

>>1700047
I never said I was a grammarian. But if you're writing something to be read by everybody it's common sense to write it well. It's not written well, that's plain as day. No reason to get touchy about that. And I wouldn't be so quicker to judge-- your use of parenthesis was a poor call.

As for the wall pf text: it was asked for. It's not my fault the thing has so many problems. Maybe if a better effort was put into it, this could all be avoided. I mean if you're incapable of doing it good enough, then maybe you should leave to those who can.

[Anonymous No.1700093]

>>1700056
>But if you're writing something to be read by everybody it's common sense to write it well
The post you've quoted was written fine, but your post on the other hand was not. It was difficult to read due to the fact that it was a wall of text, so quit being such a bloody hypocrite.
>No reason to get touchy about that.
You've cast the first stone.
>And I wouldn't be so quicker to judge-- your use of parenthesis was a poor call.
It wasn't.
>As for the wall pf text: it was asked for.
Learn how to format properly.

How fucking hard did you fail your HS English classes, man?

[Anonymous No.1700116]

Hope this is the appropriate thread, is this any good? I drew it in about 2-3 minutes on the windows surface 2 tablet using my finger. I'm trying to improve my drawing skill so I can actually draw stuff I see/imagine. I really wasn't aiming for anything but a face/head here.

[Anonymous No.1700121]

>>1700116
>I drew it in about 2-3 minutes on the windows surface 2 tablet using my finger. I'm trying to improve my drawing skill so I can actually draw stuff I see/imagine.

Fucking apply yourself goddammit fuck.

[Anonymous No.1700127]

>>1699871
I think I know why you're having such a hard time getting it to look like the ref girl. It all comes down to proportion. You're too focused on features here. When you draw, you really have to start right. (Go ahead and finish it though, starting over would be a shame.)

[Anonymous No.1700128]

>>1700121
My stuff is either ok-ish like that, or absolute shit. Sucks pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.1700130]

>>1700116
Would you be willing to sell me that work of art? I have a spot just above my fireplace it would be perfect for.

[Anonymous No.1700133]

>>1700130
Not gonna lie, I laughed.

[Anonymous No.1700165]

>>1700093
>lalalalalalala nutin rong wit muh sticky
>waah? U got betta idea?
>lalalalalalala nutin rong wit muh sticky
>lol u cnts spwell
>lalalalalala nutin rong wit muh sticky

Why does everyone have to be the victim of your stupidity?

[Anonymous No.1700175]

>>1700019
>>1700006
>>1700005
Thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.1700177]

i want to thank OP and everyone participating in this thread, we have newbie artists, newbie trolls and newbie bait all in one, it's great. thanks to all the contributors for continuing to make this board a wonderfully unpredictable ever evolving piece of performance art.

[Anonymous No.1700179]

>>1700177
Thanks for being a faggot

[Anonymous No.1700181]

>>1700128
You did this shit in less than three fucking minutes what the fuck do you expect?

[Anonymous No.1700183]

>>1700179
no no, thank you, i couldn't do it without you showing me how, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1700193]

>>1700181
I wasn't complaining about it at all, it's actually one of the best things I've drawn. But the stuff I take time with turns out bad.

[Anonymous No.1700235]

>>1700116
>>1700001
>>1699879
>>1699871
>>1699846
>>1699813
>>1699791

so this thread has gone down the fucking toilet
From now on, 'newbie' doesnt mean right off the boat. as >>1699920 said, we need the sticky out and in the open
If you haven't read and studied the sticky and are just here to post shit teir work that cant be fixed without practice first, you dont belong here
These threads should be for those that have read the sticky and are actually trying to get better without shitting up a thread

TL;DR
you must be this tall to ride the thread

[Anonymous No.1700245]

>>1700235
>These threads should be for those that have read the sticky and are actually trying to get better without shitting up a thread

but isn't that /ic/ in general? this thread has no purpose.

[Anonymous No.1700248]

>>1700245
Pretty much this, I mean that's what the draw threads are for.

[Anonymous No.1700249]

>>1700245
theres still an obvious gap between professionals and people that are just starting out after looking at the sticky
and sometimes the other threads might seem intimidating because they know they are not as good, but not terrible like some (not all) people in this thread. Something like this could be useful if done right

[Anonymous No.1700251]

>>1700245
you'd think so.

and

>expecting newbs to know you have a special meaning for the term newbs.

assuming people know what you know..that's a symptom of a certain disorder, what's it called ? that's right. being a big fat baby.

[Anonymous No.1700252]

>>1700249
>professionals
Do you even know what that word means? A newbie can be considered a "professional" if he manages to sell his work.

Yes there is a gap between an experienced draftsman and someone who is just starting out drawing symbols but that doesn't mean the two can not share the same thread; the more experienced Anons will provide the feedback anyway.

[Anonymous No.1700254]

>>1700251
yeah, just calling a thread 'newbie thread' is going to attract shitty work without obvious consequence. Then they cry 'you called it a newbie thread so i can stay'
>>1700252
you know what i meant, and you also know that most anons who have a high horse will just say its shitty and disregard people that aren't 100% fantastic, I have seen it happen.

[Anonymous No.1700260]

>>1700254
>you also know that most anons who have a high horse will just say its shitty and disregard people that aren't 100% fantastic, I have seen it happen.

So what, I got the same treatment when I first started to draw here and believe me I was absolutely horrific and I still am but I kept drawing and over time after many attempts and posting I got feedback but you're going to get shit on regardless. You are not a special snowflake.

[Anonymous No.1700266]

any advice for a pretty much absolute beginner? and yes I am going through the sticky (ctrlpaint is pretty useful). This pic is something I drew just to practice some techniques for digital painting from it (and I realise its terrible).

Some things about it i noticed which i need to work on -
shaky ass lines
poor colour choice
the lips and mouth look retarded as hell

its not finished because I got tired of looking at it part way through and deleted it

[Anonymous No.1700267]

>>1700266
You have a case for symbol drawing. Start to build forms ontop of other forms; Loomis will help.

[Anonymous No.1700271]

>>1700235
The sticky is shit. why would you want to make people worse by suggesting that trash? Are you some kind of a loser or something?

[Anonymous No.1700273]

>>1700266
Yeah, don't read the sticky unless you want to draw retard shit at a shit-tier levels. Any idiot that says symbol drawing is a good indicator that persons is a shit-tier autist.

[Anonymous No.1700285]

>>1700273
please, post some of your work. I'd really love to see it.

[Anonymous No.1700298]

>>1700285
Here's a better idea, if you can stop eating your big crayons for one moment, why not post some of your awesome studies? I'm genuinely curious as to what muh sticky wimps consider progressive.

[Anonymous No.1700301]

Started working through Loomis Figure Drawing book.
Critique welcome. (ie: rip the shit out of it)

1/4

[Anonymous No.1700303]

>>1700301
2/4

[Anonymous No.1700304]

>>1700303
3/4

[Anonymous No.1700305]

>>1699963
truth

[Anonymous No.1700306]

>>1700304
4/4

Sorry for providing shit photos (and drawings)

[Anonymous No.1700308]

>>1700298
I was genuinely curious about YOUR work. I honestly wanted to see how your work looks like considering how much you hate the sticky. Who knows maybe I could then understand where you're coming from and learn a thing or two. No need to be a dick. Now i'm thinking though, you must suck really bad for avoiding it and being this defensive, so please prove me wrong.

If you don't, i'm just going to have to assume you're just another troll.

[Anonymous No.1700310]

okay i havent read the stick because it crashes on mobile but here's my drawing experice

>drawing was my hobbie untill 5th grade
>stopped
> took a drawing class at my cc for the required art credit
>random started to draw again the other night

so here's an articuno i just finished. I think it looks more like an angry chicken though. thoughts? i also have wink waker link that im not to sure about. im not good at eyes

i ve just been sketching nintendo stuff

[Anonymous No.1700313]

>>1700310
>wink waker
i meant wind waker

pic related

inb4 navi wasnt in wind waker you faggot

[Anonymous No.1700315]

Interesting thread. It's better than pointing people to "the sticky".

There is some information I have been searching for, /ic/. I am quite unskilled at drawing so I have had many questions for experienced artists. Unfortunately, most artists aren't that bright so when asked something that requires more thought than usual, instead of actually thinking about it they just get pissed off. I've even told people ahead of time that I am going to piss them off and after assuring me that they aren't, they do. I get called a troll and can never talk to them again.

Anyway, my question. No one wants to draw poorly. it sucks. And anyone that tells me they just enjoy drawing and don't care how it looks I think is probably just bullshitting me. I don't drawing shittily. It's just not fun producing garbage only worthy of a place in the garbage. I am told I should enjoy drawing and I tell them that is hard seeing as I don't like doing a bad job. They tell me to draw what I like and I tell them that if I could do that I wouldn't be having this problem. One person said I must not be in acceptance of my skill level. I told them I know I suck and I would tell anyone who asked that I am unskilled. I asked them how I can't be in acceptence of something I am not in denial of and they would no longer discuss it with me.

I really have no problem with sucking but I'd at least like to enjoy it. So how do I do that? How the fuck do I enjoy trying to draw something and it looking like shit? With every stroke of the pencil I see clearer and clearer that what I am drawing is turning out bad. How do I have fun producing shit?

[Anonymous No.1700319]

>>1700308
I wouldn't presume. I'm sure my work can never match the finesse your sticky caliber shit can showcase. Just cause you're some anorexic push-over in real life doesn't mean you can't show mad skills on the webs. If you think the sticky is worth anything, post your shit--em I mean "work". I'm really, truly, genuinely, honestly, curious, what MUH STICKY wimps call a "study". Impress me with your esoteric knowledge of loomis or with those dedicated copies of photo reference you're always doing 12 hours a day. Let's see if practice and theory is as thorough and whole is it's implied by such outstanding worthless weak-nut sticky autist such as yourself.

P.S. Do you have tumblr I can follow?

[Anonymous No.1700325]

Alright, quick question guys. Might be a stupid one too.

I have a shitty tablet intended mainly for reading but it seems good enough for practicing drawing. However, it's not like I can use my 3DS stylus since the screen isn't pressure sensitive. Is there any way I can make a makeshift stylus for it or am I going to need a buy a special capacitive stylus?

[Anonymous No.1700331]

>>1700310
>>1700313

These both look like good work of the characters, but they also look like they were ripped straight from a promotional poster. It very much imitates something from a "how to draw: x!" book; "plain" posing, flat, and teaching you how to draw *a* picture. You seem under-confident in your lines, and try to make up for it by doing lots of little itty bitty scratchy ones. Learning how to have control and draw a line the way you want to is a pretty big part of learning how to even into art IMO. Something interesting I noted is the start of things like fabric folds and hair strands, but they seem almost erased or hidden.

If you wouldn't mind my asking, could you try your best to draw something from real life to post up here? Don't worry about it not being perfect, though I think you might discover some interesting things on the way!

[Anonymous No.1700342]

>>1700315
I guess just keep trying? I'm shit too but it feels good to see improvement (however little it may be).

[Anonymous No.1700344]

>>1700331
its really late but i could do like an apple with shading tomorrow. it might be shitty because all im using is computer paper and a mech pencil.

as for the tracing, basically im just using light lines and tracing over without erasing. but youre right i could be more confident.

thanks for the tips!

[Anonymous No.1700345]

I draw shitty still lives (if you can call them that) every now and then because muh fundamentals and /ic/ told me to. It's fun, but to be honest I really want to get to the part where I start drawing kawaii waifus. How do I go about doing that? Just grab a bunch of shit off of pixiv and start copying until I get comfortable with the art style?

[Anonymous No.1700346]

>>1700345
and here's something i pooped out tonight

[Anonymous No.1700347]

>>1700331
forgot to add, yes i directly copied them from google image. i posted a couple in another thread and another anon recommended me to do them in my own pose

[Anonymous No.1700409]

>>1700342
>keep trying

That is exactly the thing I want to enjoy.

[Anonymous No.1700413]

>>1700345
Just start drawing your kawaii waifus on the side. As for how you go about doing that, apply your knowledge of the fundamentals, look at the shit on pixiv that you like and see how they distort the eyes/head/body etc etc.

Don't just copy it, analyze it, see how it works and then add in anything you personally find appealing.

[Anonymous No.1700418]

>>1700409
maybe you just won't be enjoying it until you get better. this seems to apply to me anyway

I drew this: >>1700266
its the second thing ive drawn since I started trying to learn and it is trash - I even got sick of looking at how bad it is while making it and deleted it. Looking at it and comparing it to the first thing I drew I can see improvement though so that gives me motivation to keep going

[Anonymous No.1700425]

>>1700266
aside from reading da sticky, draw in greyscale; trying to manipulate color when you don't understand value is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.1700433]

So, to learn how to draw women (or anything), i should just get a bunch of references and do tons of copies and analyses of them?

Pic related is pretty much my level right now. I'm still getting used to drawing with a tablet.

[Anonymous No.1700517]

I decided to draw for the first time in a while tonight due to boredom, i'd been playing infamous second son and tried to draw the protagonist straight from a screenshot from the game.
I know its not good, even probably horrendous to some but I feel as if this marks a milestone for me since I've never really been even able to look at anything that is remotely realistic. I know the right eye is completely fucked up.

I would appreciate some criticism on what could immediately be changed about the drawing to improve it thank you.

[Anonymous No.1700521]

>>1700517
Fucking perfect, he's just as ugly in game.

[Anonymous No.1700522]

>>1700521

[Anonymous No.1700533]

>>1700433
Pretty much. You should also check out the links in the sticky and read all the Loomis and whatnot.

>>1700517
Same here. The main problem is that the proportions are off, and the standard method of fixing that is to PRACTICE UNTIL YOUR FINGERS HAVE BEEN WORN INTO USELESS NUBS.

[Anonymous No.1700534]

>>1700533
Useless nubs it then I guess, thanks

[Anonymous No.1700621]

>>1700533
>practice until my fingers are useless nubs
>i'm fucking incredible at drawing
>can't draw because my fingers are useless nubs

[Anonymous No.1700642]

does the circled arm look properly foreshortend?

[Anonymous No.1700678]

Meanwhile i'm going to fucking kill myself because i can't draw eyes correctly and eyes project like 70 percent of the emotion a drawing

So all my characters have their heads tilted and to the left like they live in the world of constant broken necks.

Hate everything.

[Anonymous No.1700783]

>>1699815
>If you haven't done so I'd strongly recommend Betty Edward's Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain *workbook*

There's a book with just exercises? Is it as good as the first book?

[Anonymous No.1700820]

>>1700678
Sunglasses. All the time. Even indoors. And at night.

[Anonymous No.1700920]

Thoughts on my art? Critique would be nice ill post more examples if needed

[Anonymous No.1700921]

>>1700678
Im not too great at eyes either, so try making something cover up the eye
Examples: hair, things in front of them, bandages, glasses, a hand, or even just a glare if its supposed to be realistic

[Anonymous No.1700937]

Tear me apart. I'd post this in the study thread, but it's too shit.

[Anonymous No.1701703]

>>1700920
1. Perspective. The man, the woman, the wall and some of the moon craters(?) are all off. The pattern on the women's sweater(?) and the mans shirt are also off.

2. Light and shadow. What is the light source(s) here?

3. Writing. The size, shape and spacing of the letters are completely inconsistent. Capitalization seems random.

4. Content. Holy-My-Chemical-Romance-angst-ridden-Chuuni-soliloquy-written-on-the-first-page-of-a-Deathnote-purchased-from-Hot-Topic-with-Mommies-credit-card Batman!

[Anonymous No.1701788]

So d/ic/ks when do you think is the best way to get a tablet and start drawing digital? there must be a point in your learning phase when you're ready to take that step into digital art.
Or maybe you can start doing it whenever?

[Anonymous No.1701790]

>>1701788

The best time* sorry.

[Anonymous No.1701828]

Guys should I just drop Loomis and go with Vilppu?

I'm getting tired of the fucking potato heads in Fun With a Pencil

[Anonymous No.1702570]

>>1699784
Draw lines
Draw circles
A lot
Draw cubes, spheres and such in perspective
Add values
Use forms in perspective to draw the human body

That may be a start

[Anonymous No.1702588]

>>1700937
Post ref

[Anonymous No.1703169]

Just trying to FEEL stuff. 1 mn gesture. Damn, 1 mn is hard but I feel like I'm starting to learn just a little how to get stuff in a bigger way (my previous tries were just half of the body because I spend to much time on details.
Steel feel bad about the results though.

Questions : how finished is a 1 mn gesture supposed to look when you're gud? Any examples?

How much time do you spent on gestures as a warmup? (I try to make it around one hour for now)

[Anonymous No.1703207]

someone critique this please, I really want to get better.

[Anonymous No.1703225]

>>1703207
face is flat, legs are awkward.

[Anonymous No.1703712]

Is drawing/sketch paper worth it? The only difference I see is that the texture/weights are different and they charge a shit ton more for drawing paper, and then the pads always have less paper than regular paper ones.