Feng Zhu's Forum

[Anonymous No.1669848]

its finally up!!
not bad at all

http://drawcrowd.com/

[Anonymous No.1669849]

worth joining?

[Anonymous No.1669850]

>>1669849
avoid what Is labeled with Feng zhu. I might be interesting if you are looking to improve your designs, though.

[Anonymous No.1669851]

it's a good place to discover in-studio artists without online presense.
Nothing more than that tho.

[Anonymous No.1669852]

i think its a cool place to dump your images, might as well get as much exposure as possible!!

[Anonymous No.1669854]

>>1669852
>Implying you get any sort of exposure when only thing on front page are 5yrs in professionals and FZD students.

[Anonymous No.1669856]

>>1669854
This. All of those who get to the first page don't need any exposure anymore, because they're fucking famous professionals.

[Anonymous No.1669859]

>I hear you man. Ego, jealousy, hatred, etc. is very easy to get into one's soul. I'm glad Art Center smashed that out of me. LOL. We try our best to smash it out of our students today.

I get plenty of negative talk out there on me (when you release stuff on YouTube, watch out!)...but at the end of the day, always examine where you are in life. As long as you are happy (which btw, I love what I do and the life I have), then nothing really matters. People will always like to hate. Just ignore it.

Fighting over ego is so useless and a complete waste of time. Just do your work and carry on

[Anonymous No.1669861]

>>1669848
it's fucking terrible m8. better off making your own site or using tumblr utter shit and garbagbe.

[Anonymous No.1669862]

>>1669859

He's like the Kanye West of the art world...

[Anonymous No.1669864]

>>1669848

i joined and dropped some stuff but there's SO MUCH high quality work it's just pointless and hopeless lol. nobody is ever going to see anything i posted.

it's like the spitpaint group on FB where you compete with professionals and the pic-influx is like 10 pictures a minute.

if you don't get into a like-snowball your image is buried below 100 new images within 2 minutes.

and most likes are given on name-basis rather than image-basis. it's kinda sad and makes you realize how different the "real world" works than you imagined it. here we are polishing our technical skill, which is just such a small part of the success-equation ultimately.

[Anonymous No.1669866]

>>1669859
>>1669848
art field is / art is probably the most criticized and lest understood field/profession

i've had people spit in my face, and i 've had people go down on there knees and thank me

i find that when you google search your name, some blogs appear other you have to pay for etc, so in the long run i dont care if every pro is on that board from time to time somebody may stummble on your page and who knows////

no hate needed their plenty being dished out by murderous kunts all over

much love to you my /ic/ lurkers

[Anonymous No.1669867]

>>1669848
some off these pros suck ass

[Anonymous No.1669878]

>>1669867
pretty sure you're looking at /ic/'s submission.

[Anonymous No.1669905]

>>1669864

this shit gets more likes on the spitpaint group than my stuff.

[Anonymous No.1669914]

Just by looking at front page I felt all those years I could have draw but instead started trying to learn recently and I'm 20

[Anonymous No.1669915]

>>1669905
That doesn't mean it's better and you know it, that faggot has sycophantic schmos kissing his plebian ass, you have real skill (i hope), stop bitching about "muh deserved attention".

[Anonymous No.1669917]

[Anonymous No.1669921]

>>1669917
lmfao

Goddamnit, back to the store again for more sides.

[Anonymous No.1669941]

>>1669917
i doubt they will rip people off

since a lot of the work that has been posted already has been published

i cant imagine ubisoft suein fengee for a painting he did since he copied from his crow draw forum.. .

[Anonymous No.1669942]

>>1669917
It's the same as CgHub I think?
>CGHUB does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Service.
>However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant CGHUB the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license: that any Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service, the perpetual, irrevocable and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

[Anonymous No.1669964]

>>1669942
True.
But it's funny seeing pro's turning 540 degrees and tries to deactivate their hour long account, unsuccessfully if I might add. I might also not be surprised if they tried to re-register again after this.

Rahll, Izzy, and a couple others are debating about it now in Trevor Claxton's fb if you want to see what the commotion is about.

[Anonymous No.1669966]

Why would anyone ever do this

>my everlovin' sides

[Anonymous No.1669969]

[Anonymous No.1669971]

Tons' of reasons not to use draw crowd but those terms of contract are not one of them.

[Anonymous No.1669977]

[Anonymous No.1669986]

>>1669977
More artist need to learn some basic termonology and common sense, I see some people that i respect crying about it like feng was straight up raping them. but those same guys post there work on facebook and cghub and those sites have similar terms of service.

It's because stupid fags like Rall and other no talent hacks create an uproar of something that is nothing.

DrawCrowd is a shit website for Artist but those terms are fine for those with common sense and who has ever read a social website contract.

[Anonymous No.1670005]

Feng shills leave

[Anonymous No.1670012]

>>1669917
>>1669942
This is to make sure they can show it in the website without having to worry about any legal shit, for example showing it in the front page as "our site has cool users look at us!".

"Modify" and "create derivative works" could simply mean automatic cropping of image for a thumbnail.

[Anonymous No.1670015]

>>1670005
Don't get me wrong i think the sight is terrible on lots of reasons such as no community support / forums no ability to see wide ranges of work.

it's basaclly a carbon made site without any good functions at all.

the fact he is saying it is for the artist is dumb and you know it's a shill site.

again though those terms are fucking standard as fuck. im thinking people are attacking them because they afraid to say what they are really thinking and just using them as a proxy.

[Anonymous No.1670126]

>>1669969
there's a forum there?
i looked for it and found nothing...

[Anonymous No.1670222]

>>1669964
>Trevor Claxton
Oh god I hate that guy. He's such a fucking twat.

[Anonymous No.1670227]

>>1670222
are you the same person that thinks james work is scrub level?

why do you follow concept art/illustration at all?

[Anonymous No.1670231]

>>1670227
No, not that guy.
I really love James' stuff.

I just have a little beef with Trevor after this one livestream he was on with Dave Rapoza I believe.

[Anonymous No.1670242]

What even is this

i wanted to be an animator

i wanted to do gisnep movieess

[Anonymous No.1670251]

>>1670231
>>1670227

zapata is scrub level, to pop your bubble.

[Anonymous No.1670252]

>>1670251
Yeah, yeah
>muh Mullins
>muh Jaime Jones
>muh ruanjia
>muh namedropping of crazy foreign artist you've never heard of!!!

[Anonymous No.1670259]

>>1669915
TD, is that you?

[Anonymous No.1670261]

>>1670252

what? honest to god i have no idea what you are trying to tell me.

zapta, sickbrush, wojtek are all no artists to look up to. they are on the same level as noah bradley and 75% of the people working at the bottom level.

[Anonymous No.1670263]

So, is... this for professionals, then?

I don't see exposure happening on a site like this.

[Anonymous No.1670266]

>>1670261
Can we see some of your stuff then?

Cause you must be uber Davinci/Luvisi that we must all follow your greatness.

[Anonymous No.1670267]

>>1670251
a scrub to whom, some jealous pretender?

delusional wannabe freelancer?
jelly 3-D modeler?
inhouse 2d guy at zynga?

really, I gotta know, who's the guy maintaining the tier list of artists in a spreadsheet?

[Anonymous No.1670268]

>>1670261
Is that a problem? James is above all of those guys easily but Sickbrush, Wojtek and Noah Bradley are all inbetween where some of us are at and true professional that everyone looks up to. They give us hope because just a couple years ago, they were where we're at right now.

Plus, they can pull out some pretty cool looking stuff. Mullins or Jaime tier? No, not even close but still good to look at.

[Anonymous No.1670284]

>>1669914
Better late than never, Craig Mullins started at 25 I believe, if I'm mistaken it doesn't matter, you can start for real now, or keep beating yourself for not starting earlier and never progress.

[Anonymous No.1670286]

>>1669914
Starting from 20 isn't that bad actually and has it's upsides. You're more matured as a person and can analyze the information you have at hand more clearly. Starting in your teens, you can quite easily succumb to peer pressure or the likes, crippling you.

Start now and good luck.

[Anonymous No.1670300]

im 26.. is it too late to draw?

[Anonymous No.1670302]

>>1669986
idk man, I'm just happy that Feng being an ass in his work ethics is starting to leak out to other artists

[Anonymous No.1670303]

>>1670267
>inhouse 2d guy at zynga?

that should become a meme. lmao.

[Anonymous No.1670305]

>>1670300

no. i started 24. you can easily get very good very fast, especially if you study smart.

[Anonymous No.1670307]

>2014, trusting Feng

[Anonymous No.1670322]

>>1670305
>tfw started at 18, 22 now and still have a ways to go
I'm such an idiot. Got my first girlfriend when I started and being a tool, I put her first and now I'm doing the same with anime and 4chan.
Kill me now.

[Anonymous No.1670325]

>>1670322
Go to a school then, it's not too late

[Anonymous No.1670328]

>>1670325
I'm taking one cgmw class right now. I think I'm far along enough that I know what I'm doing for the most part just need to work on my portfolio to get some low tier jobs.

[Anonymous No.1670331]

>>1670322

how the fuck is that bad? i spent ages 16-24 chasing pussy and banging sluts left and right, dropped out of 3 unis. didn't accomplish ANYTHING academically/professionally. BUT i got "living" out of my system and now i can go neet hardcore and don't feel like i'm missing out on anything.

focus and full sail towards your goals opie. the past is beyond you.

dont become like on of my buddies, who get inspired by my fitness progress but keep postponing their start and then go "meh i wish i had started half a year ago, i would already look quite decent". terrible attitude.

[Anonymous No.1670387]

>>1670307
Trusting him with what? Its not like you're giving him money. If the site sucks people won't use it.

[Anonymous No.1670395]

The site is cool and all but, what's the point?
There are a lot of pros, but you won't get feedback from them or anyone.

[Anonymous No.1670397]

>>1670395

this about sums it up lol. "get discovered" my ass.

[Anonymous No.1670441]

>>1670395
I suppose Feng saw CGHUB going all Jew on the premium option or whatever and though that opening a (now free) alternative would eventually mean profit for him too. Since you know, people will register because it's free, and then when it gets premium functions someone will inevitably pay rather then finding another free website.
It's CGHUB 2.0.

[Anonymous No.1670444]

So is this supposed to be for a professionals and Feng's students only?
I already see that "hall of fame" of his full of only Feng's students works so it would be easier for a potential clients to find "the best" artists and designers of the community.

[Anonymous No.1670448]

>>1670444
If only this was true LOL
All our tuition fucking went to this site instead of actual teaching, and his promised 'featuring' lasts like 2 hours

[Anonymous No.1670461]

>>1670448

u went to FZD? talk about it faggot

[Anonymous No.1670463]

>>1670461
Just saying, I know that the latest batch did not get their supposed class for like 6 -7 weeks straight.

[Anonymous No.1670567]

":Wow guys, so much hatred and anger this morning out there for me. Burn Feng at the stake! Bring the rope!

I'm not exactly clear what these rumors are, but they seem to paint me as some crazy, evil, greedy, nasty individual who spreads hate and screw with artists.

In the past 16 years, I've only done my best to share my knowledge through teaching, online tutorials, hosting workshops, and of course working with our awesome students at FZD. I go out of my way to help my students secure jobs in the industry, and work longs hours producing Design Cinema. Why? Because I love sharing with the industry. Been doing it since my first tutorial on artbyfeng.com.

But of course I'm not perfect by a long shot. I've worked with many people in the past, and there's definitely friction between certain individuals when things don't go right. Sometimes I'm at fault, sometimes it's the other way. We all experience these situations in life. I regret many of them but we all move on. If I made mistakes, then I have no problem apologizing.

A lot of good and bad has happened in my 16 years in this industry. Perhaps it's these bad things that are now popping up on the internet. If so, please let me address it here. Remember, there are always two sides to a story...so at least let me share mine.

So put in some popcorn, light the fire, and lets start story time...aka. internet drama

-feng"

Way to do damage control... topkek

[Anonymous No.1670570]

>>1670567
As much as I want to see him "address" things, the whole secret conspiracy thing has got him freaked to a hilarious degree. I hope he keeps using smily faces.

[Anonymous No.1670573]

>>1670567
>So put in some popcorn, light the fire, and lets start story time...aka. internet drama
Goddammit, I love this industry.

[Anonymous No.1670581]

guys, what you upload isn't even art, it has nothing to do with art.

I'm not sure I understand the problem.

[Anonymous No.1670592]

>>1670567
>I'm not exactly clear what these rumors are, but they seem to paint me as some crazy, evil, greedy, nasty individual who spreads hate and screw with artists.
who is saying this? have i been i living under a rock? what did feng do wrong?

[Anonymous No.1670594]

>>1670581
>>1670592

If you bothered to read the entire thread you wouldn't have a problem :/

>>1669917

[Anonymous No.1670599]

>>1670567
Still I don't get what's this all about. Jonas wrote on his FB that it is not about EULA, but he was not willing to share anything. All he said is that real reason does not affect everyone, just some people so he is not sharing it.

[Anonymous No.1670606]

>>1670599

same with gavriil klimov "hurrdurr theres a secret reason why we special pros need to be contrarian hipster bitches - but we ain't telling anyone hurrr"

fucking divas i swear

[Anonymous No.1670622]

>>1670463
what does this mean? XD

[Anonymous No.1670625]

check Feng's FB. He has a new post up. The "Secret information" seems to have just been an email passed around like a middle school game of telephone.

[Anonymous No.1670646]

>>1669917
Same as DeviantArt/Tumblr/Flickr/literally every site with user uploads. If that's scaring you off it's time to get off the internet. No, seriously, get the fuck off the internet.

[Anonymous No.1670661]

>>1670625

i bet it has to do with james clyne. he jelly bc feng went on to become sort of an industry messiah and ceo 10k/day entrepeneur.

although from the gnomon vids of james clyne he comes across as such a chill, likeable, professional dude it's hard to imagine him wanting to hurt feng so badly. unless feng banged his wife. and his daughter.

THE PLOT THICKENS

[Anonymous No.1670662]

And here i was, thinking this is going to be a slow and calm evening on working on my diablo 3 contest entry, now i'm following the explosion on facebool

@all the guys thinking you get no exposure on drawcrowd, why do you think they should give you exposure? it's a fuckign website that gives you the opportunity to present your work in a slick designed fashion, write the link on your fucking buisness card and advertise yourself

[Anonymous No.1670691]

>i'll get no exposure because everyone is better than me
stop posting in hate threads and
get good, losers

[Anonymous No.1670693]

>>1670662
i would prefer tumblr or carbonmade if thats the case

[Anonymous No.1670697]

>>1670691
>>1670662

>be discussing release of new trading card game with marketing guys
>remember the business card some artist-anon gave me
>drawcrowd huh... interesting site
>just checking the wall of fame out of curiosity
>holy fuckballs these guys are all amazing
>*into the trash goes the business card*

t-thanks feng

[Anonymous No.1670716]

>>1670697
>*one of his students no less

[Anonymous No.1670719]

>>1670697
words can not fathom the depths oh how stupid this argumentation is.

[Anonymous No.1670721]

>>1670697
You make it sound as if this didn't happen previously with sites like cghub

[Anonymous No.1670722]

>>1669848
for those who didn't read it on time

[Anonymous No.1670726]

>>1670722
Anyone got the message in question?

[Anonymous No.1670727]

>>1670726
Yeah I would love to read it too.

[Anonymous No.1670739]

>>1670722
just what does he want to tell us?

[Anonymous No.1670768]

This industry has way too much fucking drama considering its size.

[Anonymous No.1670778]

>>1670726
Really want to read this too. We are being told that it contained reasons why you should avoid anything to do with Feng Zhu. Nobody will release this information, but that it is from someone they trust and that everyone should trust them too. I don't know about you but I sure as hell would like to know the reasons outlined in the message and make up my own god damn mind.

[Anonymous No.1670791]

Can anyone tell me what the number beside my user name is in the top right? Its a 12 and when I click it, it switches from orange to white.

[Anonymous No.1670790]

>>1670722
>only drawcrowd premium members get to hear the actual story
What a fucking let down. What was even the point of this...

[Anonymous No.1670793]

>>1670778
>I don't know about you but I sure as hell would like to know the reasons outlined in the message and make up my own god damn mind.
Same. I won't trust anyone who's calling to be trusted on something like this but can't show the original message - that just reeks of total bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1670802]

>>1670791
It is 12 on everybody's I think, definitely on mine as well anyway..

In the page source code the number 12 shows up as a notices count.

So I would say it for notifications but it hasn't been properly implemented yet.

[Anonymous No.1670811]

>>1670722
God I wish I saw that status so I could say:

>paints me as a liar
What brush did he use?

[Anonymous No.1670829]

>>1670811
anon i love u

[Anonymous No.1670838]

>>1669864
I love that spitpaint group. It's fucking fantastic and constantly overflowing with study material.
>Half hour spent on each piece means you have a lot less rendering to see through
>Examine how they set up their shapes/lighting/values
>Quickly learn how to set up a similar portrait/environment with minimal work and efficient shape and value design

You literally never run out of material and the constant influx of pro work means you see pretty pictures all day. Try it guys bump this post up if it helped. Maybe itll open up the idea to more people.

[Anonymous No.1670845]

>>1670838
>mfw banned from spitpaint

[Anonymous No.1670847]

>>1669864
>implying "likes" will get you anywhere
>implying less liked pictures are better than the shit pros post. even the stuff in "like snowballs" is shit 50% of the time.

the thing you should realize about the "real world" is probably that you're less of a special snowflake than you think. noone gives a shit about you unless you give them a reason too. the pros you mentioned did it. so why dont you? stop feeling so fucking sorry for yourself and apply yourself more.

[Anonymous No.1670849]

>>1670845
ha me too :D
wanna know why?
because i wrote "sorry, haven't done speedpaintings for ages went 5 mins over the time, I try to do better next time."
and when i wanted to check out the topics the next day i was unable to visit the site.

[Anonymous No.1670863]

>>1669848
For those wondering what the drama is...here is the writeup that is being kept hush hush.

Ben Mauro wrote it and sent it out to various people, and it is making the rounds. Sorry, gonna have to break it up into multiple posts since it is a bit too long for 4chan's character limits.


"Hi guys,
I will try to be brief, with the recent creation of his new ‘drawcrowd’ website i thought you should be aware of a few things. Some of you may know a little and others i hadn’t had a chance to speak to, will try to be as straightforward with this as i can.
I worked with Feng Zhu for around 8 months on a job while i was at Weta and he built up a degree of trust with me. After going out to Singapore for a workshop with Neville Page during this time, everything seemed great from the surface level, treated us well, paid us well everything was taken care of during the workshop. He put out the appearance of someone i thought i could trust and work with, we talked about starting a company together where he would produce projects and we would create IP’s and profit share on them, it sounded great. He promised us higher rates than we were making at Weta (around 45k per year) and to pay for housing when we came over.

Once i got back to NZ, he said he was able to bring us over (myself, Long Ouyang, Eduardo Pena from Weta and also Thomas Brissot an illustrator from France who we didn’t know at the time), i convinced my friends based on my experience with him up to that point that Feng was a good/honest guy to get them to come along (which i now completely regret). Feng then asked us to let Weta know we were leaving, then after he was aware of this we received contracts to work with him for the same wages we were making and received excuses for why he was not going to do as he promised. (first red flag) " ...

[Anonymous No.1670864]

>>1670863
Continued...

"We thought that if we were getting housing it was still alright, so we signed the contracts for the lower than expected rates. Some weeks past and it was made aware to us that he was also not going to get us housing in any capacity and were told to 'figure that out ourselves with google'. After more emails asking for help as we don’t know the city and its a new country we know nothing about, we finally got a pdf that they send to students coming to the school…. This should have been our second or third red flag but at that point we weren’t in a position to go back to Weta so we just decided to give it a year and see what happens. So Feng’s promises of higher wages and housing turned into same wages in a more expensive city and living in a hostel for a month while we tried to find a place to live with no help from him or his wife orchestrating this while we cleared out our savings in the move and relocation which we were not compensated for in any capacity.
Upon starting it became very clear that our months of talk of ‘starting a company together’ was also a lie and we were there to “build a new company for him” almost singlehandedly which we would get no part of while he laughed in our faces at the idea of sharing anything with us (i have the emails of him saying otherwise before we came over, which were critical in us deciding to come out in the first place), all of our requests for contracts on the IP’s we were creating ourselves were met with more excuses as to why he couldn’t give that to us…..again even more red flags. In the end, the moment Feng got what he wanted (project finishing) we were fired, some earlier or later than others but each time the same experience." ...

[Anonymous No.1670865]

>>1670864
Continued....

"Promise people things they want (but not written in the contract), string them along on low wages then fire them and throw them in the trash when he gets the thing he wants and move onto the next person to do the same without giving them anything he promised. The entire time he kept telling us “I’m not going to screw you guys, why would i screw you guys? I’m not going to screw you” and that is exactly what he did to all of us. Toward the end we were working 100+ hour weeks to finish a short film we almost singlehandedly created ourselves (Myself and Eduardo) working nights and weekends to meet the schedule he created while not being compensated for any of this while we were penniless and broke at the same time Feng is taking vacations and posting photos of expensive dinners and using our names/work to make sure the school is getting fully booked with students…..it was just an extremely twisted horrible experience. This person will lie, manipulate and say anything to get what he wants. We were actually warned by one of the local artists when we first got here about all the other artists/schools/companies he screwed over in Singapore but we didn’t listen, we didn’t think an artist could be that low to do all the things we were being warned about and so our kindness and trust was completely abused (as so many others before us were) as he proceeded to do the same to us and get away with it yet again.
This is an extremely small snippet of the bad things this person has done to good people, other people have their similar or worse experiences with this person but i cannot speak for them. I just thought all of you should be aware of the way this person is and some of the things he has done to me personally, just as i hope you guys would alert me to someone else in the community doing this to other artists. What happened to us is not the first time and won’t be the last time this happens." ...

[Anonymous No.1670866]

>>1670865
Final part of the message:

"By endorsing his website just encourages him to act and treat people this way again and again as it creates positive reinforcement for horrible behavior…… allowing him to build his schools brand and his positive personal image (which conflicts greatly with who he is in real life when the doors are closed) …..i really want to move on from all of this but just feel i needed to let people know before i do and try to make peace with the things that were done to us and hopefully ensure others don’t get tricked into a similar situation by this person.
All of this is completely fine and your choice i don’t think any sort of response is needed, i have tried to be as honest in the wording of all of this without turning it into "name calling’’. I’m sure you have your own opinion or superficial ‘nice and happy’ email exchanges/interactions with him over the years as i did before all of this happened to me and my friends, but just felt like you should all be aware of what happened to the 4 of us and use your best judgement/caution with this person in the future so it doesn’t happen to you or people you care about.
Thanks."

[Anonymous No.1670869]

>>1670864
that's rough. We're was this posted?

[Anonymous No.1670870]

>>1670863
>>1670864
>>1670865
>>1670866
Yeeeah, I'm not buying this. The timing is too convenient, it just sounds like this guy's mad because he didn't get what he expected and then exaggerated the fuck out of it for a smear campaign.

[Anonymous No.1670872]

>>1670869
FB PM;s i guess. i am surprised i must admit. now i get that hate spread here.

[Anonymous No.1670874]

>>1670863
>>1670864
>>1670865
>>1670866

im gonna have to see those emails about asking for help and Feng's side of the story.

right now it's very elaborate for a lie but who knows we need evidence

[Anonymous No.1670873]

>>1670863
>>1670864
>>1670865
>>1670866

wow. deleting my account AS WE SPEAK. this also explains the whole thing with long.

i dont know about you guys, but i have a feeling ben mauro is telling the truth.

feng has been corrupted by power and fame, and turned into the exact thing us artist hate... greedy businessmen who exploit any and everyone whenever possible for their own profit. fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1670875]

>>1670870
i don't think so. he signs it with his name on it. too much to loose for couple bucks imho

[Anonymous No.1670883]

>>1670875
Yeah, but he also spread it via PMs - it wasn't posted publicly or anything. If it's all true, why the private smear campaign? Most likely because he wants to prevent a response from Feng and a chance at reprisal. If it were all true, there'd be no problem in revealing it publicly. Speading it via PM just seems like a cowardly attempt to defame, not an attempt to spread the truth, which would be greater facilitated by going public.

Like I said - the timing seems to convenient. He waited for the website launch - sounds like someone with a grudge, not someone out to spread the truth. It also seems exaggerated to get that "ooooh poor pitiful me" response, but really it sounds more like Mark Andrew Smith's attempt to blame James Stokoe for all his problems.

Like I said - I'm not ready to buy. I've no doubt the guy had a bad experience, I just don't think it's as bad as he said it was and he's more than a little bitter about it.

[Anonymous No.1670885]

>>1670873
Holy shit, worse than I thought.
Sounds like a fucking nightmare.

I believe Ben, this kind of fucking over happens. and Feng fits the MO.

[Anonymous No.1670894]

Typical asian entrepreneur bullshit. I've seen that Darren Yeow cunt post about doing almost the same thing on facebook except he was proud.

[Anonymous No.1670904]

Not buying Ben's shit. Feng is smarter than that.

Ben exaggerated the FUCK out of that story.

[Anonymous No.1670911]

>>1670894

srs? i always figured he was one of the good guys. post stories?

>implying this isn't interesting and fun as fuck
>implying we mind being gossip girl bitches
>industry drama baby

[Anonymous No.1670917]

>>1670911
He's very proud of an Australian law that means he doesn't have to tell his client where their work is coming from nor does he have to tell his subcontractors where their work is ending up. That's how he makes his money. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but he has fuckall work on the internet and what he has posted is pretty shit and extremely unlikely to be of use to anyone. The idea that he's an "artist" is hilarious. He just managed to accumulate one of those hugbox fan groups by adding scrub artists on facebook (the only website he really has any kind of presence on)

[Anonymous No.1670918]

I love you anons... Always delivering the undeliverable :)

But im kinda still on the fence with this... I think its a believable sequence of events but why arent there more people with stories like this if Feng is really that bad?

[Anonymous No.1670921]

>>1670917

that is so fucked up...

[Anonymous No.1670920]

>>1670917
I don't know anything about him using some australian law or whatever, but he definitely is a good artist. He's been around for a number of years, and while he hasn't really posted art recently, his old work is very strong (although I can't find it online now really, which is strange). To say he can't paint or that he's not an artist is a gross overstatement. I am sick of his stupid fb posts, but I can still respect his skill in painting.

[Anonymous No.1670929]

>>1670883
I think saying publicly Feng is a monster that ruined your life, isn't going to help you career. You know, Feng is pretty big in the industry I believe.

Feng could of easily said bad things abut Ben and reach an even greater amount f industry professionals.

[Anonymous No.1670932]

I'm ready to support Ben on his claims. He is a well respected, young artist in the industry and has taught at FZD school.

If anyone has read through the intense read at CA.org regarding Feng's FZD School, some of his past students are apprehensive of their experience at the school, saying things like how Feng's teaching methods are twisted, how his marketing is underhanded (promoting only the works of students who have had industry exp before enrolling). When Ben and Eduardo became teachers at his school, students have said how their positive re-enforcement (as opposed to Feng's more asian approach - stick is better than the carrot) was very encouraging and a better method of teaching.

Feng would group the students, favouring the more talented ones, whereas the students who fell behind were 'abandoned' so to speak. I have spoken to an FZD alumni (not one of the stronger ones) and they have mixed and rather tormented feelings towards their exp at the school.

The same opinions seem to be popping up everywhere regarding this industry pro, and even now from a fellow professional. I've heard enough. Had the 'delete account' link worked, you would not find me on that site.

[Anonymous No.1670935]

>>1670929
If Feng is as much a monster as Ben makes him out to be, then others would pipe up with "Yeah Feng screwed me too." And if Feng started bashing people, it would hurt his credibility way more than anything Ben has said about him.

His not coming out publicly tells me he's not confident he'll get support - which means Feng probably isn't screwing people as often or as hard as Ben would make it out to be. He says he felt people needed to know, but is spreading this in such a way as to do damage to someone's reputation, not actually spread the truth - which fits more with the "lying manipulator" he tried to paint Feng as.

Like I said, I'm not sold. I'm not saying Feng is innocent in all of this, but I doubt Ben is either.

[Anonymous No.1670939]

>>1670929
the thing about "being big" in the industry is, that it is only true as long as the majority belives in it.
You can do all kinds of crazy shit and still get work from big companies because they honestly do not give a fuck UNTIL it reflects badly onto them. And seeing how tehre where a shitton likes and comments "we are with you feng "not nearly a second after he posted it, to many people belive in him being big in the industry and "their" entrance to the wonderous world of concept art.
Everyone and Anyone is replaceable in the industry, never forget that.

[Anonymous No.1670937]

i emailed fzd asking if they give scholarships
to poor cunts like me

no response

[Anonymous No.1670941]

I was a student at FZD, and I can confirm EVERY FUCKING THING about Feng is true
My class had the chance to study under Eduardo, only for a very brief period of time. He was literally one of the best and kindest teachers out there. He has inspired the students while all Feng ever do is put them down.

This is what I heard from the students who were last in his class, I talk to a lot of them since we are adjacent batches
Eduardo was the last remaining person from Weta at FZD (guess why EVERY fucking artist quit!) because he was a very patient and nice person who only wanted to learn how to operate a school. Feng screwed him over with a lot of work and minimum teaching wage adding into a ton of stress (telling him to change what he needs to teach the fucking night before etc), so he decided to take a break from school during Christmas. 3-4 weeks later, he flew ALL THE FUCKING WAY back from Columbia just to get told hes fucking FIRED by a fucking receptionist girl instead of Feng himself (coward? fuck yea). One of the reasons he was given is that 'students dont like you'. Feng had ZERO fucking shame saying that to the most loved instructor in the school at that time. If people dont like and instructor, it's by 90% of the cases Feng.
He never cared about us and only wanted to exploit us. (my greatest respect for Kingston and Tzu Wei to have to withstand him for such a long time)

[Anonymous No.1670944]

>>1670941

wow ...

[Anonymous No.1670945]

>>1670904

You know why it sounds exaggerated? Noone that doesnt know Feng personally would ever think that he's such an asshole.
He used to be one of my idols before I entered the school, I dont think anyone think so anymore after they leave the school. Even the best students, its just that they had to keep their mouths zipped and do what Feng says because he's a fucking tyrant with power that can screw any starting artist up

tl;dr: you only wisen up and realise exactly what alumnis were saying after you've experienced shit yourself

[Anonymous No.1670946]

>>1670929
Can you name one iconic design of fengs to make it to screen? I really struggle to recall one.

I know it's a low blow, but seriously, you guys act like he's Syd Mead

[Anonymous No.1670950]

>>1670941
Oh right, I forgot to add, you know what's the most funny thing? That one class was completely and utterly abandoned ever since Eduardo left. For all of the latter half of their last fucking term aka the most important one. Lets say each students paid 42k for tuition (don't be fooled by 40k, they also will make you pay for your brand new MacBook that you cant say no to). Back to the maths, ~42k / 3 = ~14k per term, so its 7k a class, which is 3.5 k SGD for EACH person in that class that got ripped.
Where did the money go, you ask? The money that he supposedly paid the Weta artists/exteachers and got from the students? Well, now it is manifesting itself in the name of drawcrowd.com
And you know what he promised us? "the site will be for exposure of underdogs guys, we wont be posting Sparth or anything like that"
>mfw Sparth art is LITERALLY featured on the fucking site

[Anonymous No.1670953]

>>1670950
>(don't be fooled by 40k, they also will make you pay for your brand new MacBook that you cant say no to).
See, now I'm sure you're full of shit. All schools requires you to buy your own supplies, this is nothing out of the ordinary.

You sound like the faggot at my college who failed observation drawing and called the teacher a cunt because he couldn't hack it, even thought the teacher was a perfectly nice guy.

[Anonymous No.1670960]

So what if you already had a macbook (or a windows based laptop) and they make you pay for it anyway?

[Anonymous No.1670965]

>>1670953
Except in other schools you can choose what not to buy and use your old shit if you want

>>1670960
Yes I have a better laptop and they made me buy that shit anyway

[Anonymous No.1670967]

>>1670965
>Yes I have a better laptop and they made me buy that shit anyway

Really? What was their justification?

[Anonymous No.1670971]

>>1670967

Would people buy my story more if I said I was one of the better students (which I was and I know it because they divide the class for 'tiers' talk by term 3) anyway?

Because OBVIOUSLY if you cant perform well in school you must be one of the lazy arrogant and shittalking people and not work hard enough even if it gives you sickness throughout the school? It's not like the best students coming out of the school always come in with a ton of previous exp anyway with teh exception of Alex Jessup right? And if you are indeed one of the better people you would never come out and say it because you don't want to hurt your chances? Yea, that's exactly the business model Feng is running that school with.

[Anonymous No.1670974]

Why is this school so popular here? I took a look at the work of their graduates and while it certainly is good it's also generic and soulless.

[Anonymous No.1670975]

>>1670971
>Would people buy my story more if I said I was one of the better students (which I was and I know it because they divide the class for 'tiers' talk by term 3) anyway?
Yes. I've met a lot of bitter cunts who blamed teachers for their failures, and I've met a lot of shitty teachers who's class I passed anyways - even that old fucking bitch who said outright that she was out to fail as many students as possible. Lots of shitheads will put the blame elsewhere to protect their ego - It's not my fault, the teacher was bad!" So yeah, it's more believable when the students who passed say the teacher is shit - way more believable, because then they're not trying to shift blame for being a fuckup.

[Anonymous No.1670979]

>>1670975
>Yes. I've met a lot of bitter cunts who blamed teachers for their failures

I don't think that it's not justified. Some people can't study on their own really well so if their teacher is bad they fail.

[Anonymous No.1670982]

>>1670975
The problem in FZD is that they put up the front of "we bring you from zero to hero" but they (Feng) is only out to develop the students that are already good. The rest get ignored and step on every single time. It's not like the teaching quality is bad (All the instructors are very good at giving you the information - Feng too but you have to learn to filter out the one valuable sentence within the 15 minutes of talking down on you or "that illustrator guy in the industry that got kicked because I was better than him ahaha"), I think even the weakest guy still learns a lot.
The problem is that they can never catch up to the best and will always get tossed aside by Feng.

At least from the time I was in the school, people are most of the time geniune about learning. The strongest in mentality, I would say, is the weakest graduated guy in the batch. He gets stepped on every single time but he doesn't give up. I don't think any lazy blaming people ever made it out of the school after one whole year. They usually quit midway anyway.

[Anonymous No.1670986]

>>1670979
>I don't think that it's not justified.
>reason to blame the teacher and not the student
Not being able to study on your own is an excuse.
>>1670982
>The problem in FZD is that they put up the front of "we bring you from zero to hero"
All schools do this. Even shitty ones.

While I'll agree they shouldn't take people who are at zero, it's ultimately a business and not a charity. By your own admission the quality of the education is good, they just focus on the students with the most potential. That only makes good business sense - those students will make them look good and bring in more students. That's how business works.

[Anonymous No.1670989]

>>1670986
>Not being able to study on your own is an excuse.

Why do we have teachers then if everyone who can't study on his own is lazy?

[Anonymous No.1670990]

>>1670986
And in the end the honest weak guys who trusted Feng gets screwed.

And yes your point is valid, perfectly. Which is why Feng is never a good teacher, he's just a business man trying to pass himself off as one while scamming other good and honest artists (Thomas + Weta guys, in this particular case)

[Anonymous No.1670993]

>>1670986
Granted, Feng runs a good business, yes he's an excellent entrepreneur. His name and his school is successful. It is, however, the ethics and morality of his methods that was originally in question here.

[Anonymous No.1670995]

>>1670989
Teachers are only half of the equation here. You'd don't get 1+0=2, it's 1+1=2. The student has to put effort into learning, and shit like
>I can't study on my own
is an excuse for not putting forth effort.
>>1670993
>It is, however, the ethics and morality of his methods that was originally in question here.
They're in line with what everyone does. Don't have to like it, but it's no unusual at all.

That said, if the quality of the education is good, then it's the advertising that's the murky ethical ground. Is it ethical to take money from people who want to learn, even knowing they probably have unrealistic expectations about their own growth? On the other hands, if they don't do that, they won't make enough money to teach those who do have potential, and it's not like those people come to the school not wanting to learn. And while they might not get to "hero" as the marketing advertises, it sounds like it's a good education and continuing to study after the school could bring them up to that level.

So let me ask you this; do you think the school teaches the skills that could be used as a foundation for further learning even by those students that don't stand out as much? Because if so, I don't see the problem here outside certain unrealistic expectations and fairly standard marketing tactics.

[Anonymous No.1670998]

>>1670946

[Anonymous No.1671001]

>>1670995
I am not saying that the teacher should do all the work. Of course you need to study no matter how good your teacher is.

>Teachers are only half of the equation here. You'd don't get 1+0=2, it's 1+1=2
But if the teacher is 0.5 instead of 1 you don't get 2 either.

[Anonymous No.1671003]

>>1670932
yeah same here, i totally lost respect for feng zhu recently, hes just a generic cookie cutter artist who is swimming in money from his stupid school.

fuck him

[Anonymous No.1671009]

>>1670995
May be not when all you're told through the year that "Your chance of making it into the industry is NEGATIVE" (yes he really stresses the negative part every single time)

And you're ignoring all the things he did to the 4 ex-instructors? Do you condone this kind of thing? Is this the kind of industry you want to enter? For me, its a fuck no.

[Anonymous No.1671010]

>>1670995
> Is it ethical to take money from people who want to learn
These people are generally under a specific category. These are students, early to mid 20s usually whose careers have not even begun. The school fees alone with no government help, bursaries or scholarship is a tall asking price (esp. internationals).

Purchasing a macbook as a requisite, despite owning a laptop already is questionable. Making promises to young professionals where it involves their careers and completely uprooting their lives to move to an unfamiliar country is questionable.

Not treating each student in the class as equals, and introducing these 'tiers' as mentioned earlier, when they have all paid equally the same amount -regardless- of their skill level is questionable.

I'll give you that those who do fall behind, or are taken in by the marketing tactics should have done their research. I was dead set on attending FZD back in 2010 when they were still young, but 50k was a big ask and I hadn't graduated tertiary yet. I did my research, reached out to a few almuni and now I know better.

[Anonymous No.1671018]

Guys,

What if Long never fucked that hooker, but actually got fired because Long has the balls to call out on Feng's bullshit. The case where Long fucked around with hookers are just a cover up to paint him as a crazy sexual deviant.

[Anonymous No.1671022]

>>1671018
possible

[Anonymous No.1671023]

>>1671009
>And you're ignoring all the things he did to the 4 ex-instructors?
I'm not going to take secondhand rumor at face value, what kind of schmuck do you take me for?
>Is this the kind of industry you want to enter?
No, it's not. I have no interest in doing concept art.

But I recognize that this isn't all just wanton maliciousness.
>>1671010
>Purchasing a macbook as a requisite, despite owning a laptop already is questionable. Making promises to young professionals where it involves their careers and completely uprooting their lives to move to an unfamiliar country is questionable.
...but not really out of the ordinary. Tech schools peddle the same shit on TV all day long. Is it dickish, yeah, sure, it's a bit dickish, but it sounds like the quality of the education is at least good, which is more than can be said for a lot of tech schools. Really what's happening is he's conforming to industry standard to compete and not have his school go bankrupt.

If you want to call out the industry of tech schools, and hell, even some degree granting universities, as total bullshit, fine by me, but let's not pretend Feng is being especially dickish here.
>Not treating each student in the class as equals, and introducing these 'tiers' as mentioned earlier,
So he's supposed to treat someone with no art background the same as someone WITH art background? Then he'd either leave behind those guys with no background even faster, or have to slow things down to a crawl for the guys with a background. Which compromise is the most fair here?
>>1671018
What if Feng was the hooker?

[Anonymous No.1671028]

>>1670937
>private school
>scholarships

What planet do you live on ?

[Anonymous No.1671031]

>>1671028
america?

[Anonymous No.1671032]

>>1671028
i was actually meaning bursary or some sort of ASSsistance to attend i really wanted 2....

ended out freelancing and learning on me own since the price for foreigners is a bit, i always had the impression that FENG helped his ASIAN kin more than the genitals from the west, like delibrately fucked whiteees up?!?!

[Anonymous No.1671041]

>>1671032
Please, he loves whites, especially Europeans or LA people

His general attitude towards Asians:
"You draw so well, you sure you didnt take this from somewhere?"
"Oh you're drawing fantasy pieces, you shouldn't draw fantasy pieces your portfolio is full of it"
>person did that like once

[Anonymous No.1671056]

>>1671041
even on his you tube vids he comes across as been or not not really caring for beginners like its a waste of time, even said dont bother asking for critique or sketchbook reviews on his youtube chanel i think pro get in that tier where they no longer care for the lower pecking order in life i think you gotta be a psychopath to make it to the top that is sadly what the world is coming tooooooo

[Anonymous No.1671073]

"Woke up fresh and ready to do more DC updates. Thanks again for the support out there and all the personal messages coming in, especially from my close friends. And on this fine Sunday, I'll leave you with this phrase from Carl Sagan:

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

It was a phrase made popular by Carl Sagan. It is the heart of the scientific method, and a model for critical thinking, rational thought and skepticism everywhere."

yeah maybe, maybe it would be clever if Feng would start to show at least ordinary evidence and not nothing at all...

[Anonymous No.1671126]

>>1671028
A lot of private schools have at least a small sum of scholarship grants.

[Anonymous No.1671165]

I would say, anyone here who demonize Feng has never really thinking about how hard it is to run a business. And yes by running a business you'll be a dick to your employees. Ben is just one of them.We all criticize our boss as a dick, or believe me, a business with a kind boss won't last. Period.

[Anonymous No.1671172]

>>1670864
>very publicly hire popular artists to promote your school while secretly exploiting them to "create ips" and then abruptly fire them in a mysterious manner.
either feng's stupid or you are. my money's on both

[Anonymous No.1671182]

>>1671165

fucking bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1671184]

>>1670863
>we were making at Weta (around 45k per year)
B-but muh 15k$ a month starting...

[Anonymous No.1671190]

>>1671172
agreed. to me it's just some miscommunication partly on the wage raising and a result of unhappy end. It happens too often in any business.
also if a school is named as Feng Zhu Design
I would highly doubt on this statement of "starting a company together"...what?

I would say maybe in the U.S concept artists are all well treated and providing housing and all, but in Asia it's really common that you find your own housing even if you got hired....it's just two sided stories.

[Anonymous No.1671202]

>>1669848
Kind reminder that everyone hating Feng is better off joining the study thread than commenting in this one :3

Imma do landscape studies after dinner.

[Anonymous No.1671240]

>>1669848
Question:

I heard that FZD has only 6 weeks of vacation in the whole school year. Is that true & where can I verify that information?

[Anonymous No.1671243]

>>1671240
you only have 5 weeks during the course, counting holidays.

[Anonymous No.1671244]

>>1671243
And you have lots homework to do

[Anonymous No.1671374]

hahaha, i knew some faggets would eventually post that shit here.

yep, everything there is true and the reason that we wanted to keep it hush is because of the amount of feng fanboys would bent over and take it in the ass for their messiah.
Also he is a pathological lier and a very good one too, he tells so much lies that he believes those lies himself.

personally i'm not really heaved off by the money and the stuff ben wrote because i was fired before that shit had happen to me, although it was a giant fucking waste of time and career opps for me, i turned down quite a few sweet jobs for him... but i would still take a bat to his drawing hand just because he's a really shitty person and the stuff he did to my friends.

He lies, cheat and steal as often as he shits and sleep, he bullies and threatens local Singaporean artists because he knew he could get away with, exploits anyone he deems worthy of exploitation, he locks his pinoy maids passport in a safe box and brags about it, illegal btw. He's racist, against asians can you imagine that? He's so cheap he doesn't even wanna spend money for toliet papers for the school loo, and he probably cheat on his wife, who is also a freak of nature like him.

[Anonymous No.1671380]

>>1671374

love you long. srs. i fap to your work. post more often please.

[Anonymous No.1671385]

What a great Sunday. Took my dog to the park, ate some yummy lunch and went shopping with my wife. The most important thing in life is inner happiness.

I'm fortunate to live a very comfortable, relaxed and happy life (but boy, did I work hard to get to this point). This type of security is why I can make free content for all of you out there - and I enjoy every moment of it; even though some episodes of Design Cinema keeps me up till 4am. lol. But I love sharing to the art community and hearing the responses from all of you - especially the ones in which people's lives have changed for the better because of the content we provide - now that gives you the ultimate high.

Remember, judge one's character not by the words of others, but by what they've accomplished in life and how much they've given back. And don't jump to conclusions without checking all the facts. Life is short so value the positive moments and leave the negativity behind.

I'm looking forward to seeing my hard working term 2 students tomorrow and recording a new episode of Let's Draw. I'm leaning towards:

- Chrono Trigger/Cross/ series
- Medieval III Total War (I'm addicted to 2 right now)
- One of the Monkey Island Games

Have fun out there!

-feng
I love how now that the shitstorm has caught with his fuckedness he's writing everyday on his FB page like "Yeah Im chilling, and Im not acknowledging my crumbling carreer"

[Anonymous No.1671401]

>>1671380

cheers broski, here's one for tonight.

sorry if i don't ever reply, just too much trolling if i do.

[Anonymous No.1671405]

>>1671184
exactly this.

it's just a fight between two egotistcal faggots trying to take advantage of the community.

I have alwasy had a bad vibe from ben maru and the fzd videos were interesting to watch if nothing else haven't watched past video 35 or something but i liked them.


Feng and Ben can't be trusted and are just wanabee celeberitys who wan't your money. same as noah bradley just slightly more classier and have at least some accomplishments

[Anonymous No.1671408]

>>1671405
>it's just a fight between two egotistcal faggots trying to take advantage of the community.
This. anyone who thinks this is going to have any lasting impact and isn't just a spat between a couple of bitches is out of their mind.

[Anonymous No.1671409]

>>1671401
Hey long how true is Ben's post on the money things like those posters and write ups he did on blogs where he is saying 15 k a month.

Seems like dog shit if he was only making 45k at the weta.

[Anonymous No.1671410]

>>1671401
>just too much trolling if i do.

Know the audience here, look how much attention this thread gets.

Theres a thread legit asking what a character designer does day-to-day and no ones got an answer for him.

Anyway seeing your wips and knowing theres a few talents lurking makes this place interesting.

[Anonymous No.1671472]

>>1670768
It actually, probably helps because the population is so concentrated, rumours and feuds can spread like wildfire.

[Anonymous No.1671481]

>>1671405
at this point i almost think noah bradley is better than feng as a person. by contrast, feng makes noah look good lol.

not that noah is a good person but id hang out with him over feng that stupid fucking asian piece of shit any day.

why do most asians love to fuck people over? i dont get it.

[Anonymous No.1671488]

>>1671481
Noah seems like a cool guy/nice person. Egocentrical and jewish, but cool/nice anyways.

[Anonymous No.1671518]

>>1671481
Well his English is misleading. I believe he is from either Singapore, Malaysia or Hong Kong? Those three countries are English speaking because of British occupation. However even with Western influence, their people are still culturally Chinese. You could say they lack some western customs, like chivalry, politeness, humor, etc. They of course have their own customs that we lack, they are of a different ideology, a different culture, obviously. So these little social quirks we are used to, are lost on Feng Zu. There are infamous stories about Asian people not holding doors for people, spitting in the ground, urinating/defecating in the street, being short or direct with people[lacking understanding of empathy.] So you might think he speaks fluent English, just like someone from America/Canada/Europe, so you assume, yeah he's cool, he can hang and talk and be interesting. But you'd be scratching your head like you are now, why is he so weird, he's so different, he's not like like David Choe, or Lucy Lui.

Hope I didn't sound too crazy, I bet someone out there can explain this a little better.

[Anonymous No.1671578]

>>1671518
He's very american though, brought up there and he blatantly favors other americans, and sometimes europeans over asian people.

[Anonymous No.1671581]

>>1671518
so basiacally they are french?

[Anonymous No.1671596]

>>1671481
>>1671488

It's funny because there was a whole thread about him a few weeks ago and everyone was talking shit about him

[Anonymous No.1671601]

>>1671596
>It's funny because there was a whole thread about him a few weeks ago and everyone was talking shit about him
I'm sure he's not bad person but Noah comes across as very silicon valley/tech-startupish person who are always annoying.

[Anonymous No.1671608]

>>1671596
i posted in that thread

i replied to the guy who saw personally noah's "character"

i said i didn't want to talk shit about him, but if he was an asshole, i was not surprised at all.

[Anonymous No.1671609]

>>1671596
/ic/ is always talking shit about someone.

[Anonymous No.1671703]

>>1671609
If you dare be public or worse, proud of what you do. Ic will talk shit about you.

[Anonymous No.1671882]

>>1671401

h-he replied to me.

brb printing out screenshot and framing on table

also bump for drama

[Anonymous No.1671916]

>>1671409
havent read any of those fb post by him but yeah, if u manage to do a full time schedule and fill it with triple A projects, easily 15k per month. personally ive never hit 10k cos i charge less and dont work as much.

i was getting less than 45k at weta since it was my first job, actually one of weta's principle is to undercut north america.

[Anonymous No.1671919]

>>1671916

holy fuk that's alot of money

[Anonymous No.1671935]

>>1671165
The more I learn about Feng the scummier he becomes. He's more or less demonizing himself.

[Anonymous No.1671945]

>>1671374
Based Long?

[Anonymous No.1671953]

>>1671374

so, long, rei or asuka?

[Anonymous No.1672095]

>>1671945
>2000-20003

daaayum thats a long time

[Anonymous No.1672106]

>>1671935
You know thats his wife right?

[Anonymous No.1672108]

>>1671945
His sloppy stuff sucks balls imo. He draws super tight for some of his term 1 demos though. The dude has a crazy range of tightness. Can't draw cartoons to save his life though

[Anonymous No.1672115]

>>1672106
All three of them???

[Anonymous No.1672117]

>>1672106
>>1672115
whats wrong with looking at asses ?

[Anonymous No.1672122]

>>1672117
lol nothing, its just if you have never played cool about checking out your wife then your flirt skills are 0 and are forever alone

[Anonymous No.1672178]

>>1672122
how is he forever alone when he has a wife ?

[Anonymous No.1672185]

>>1672178
talking about the dude implying he is a pervy guy for checking out his wife. If people want to hate on someone they will act like a retard themselves to prove a point

[Anonymous No.1672185,1]

So... if you're one of the better students, and you're bitching about the school that made you good because they're not teaching the way you'd like it... why is it that you're the student and not the teacher again?

[Anonymous No.1672185,2]

I have an idea on who is this 'best' student bitching around here. Probably a student that's very close to Ben.

[123 No.1672185,3]

One doesn't need to be Ben's close pals to expose the ugly truths about FZ. What has been said about FZ in this 2014 already happened from 2009 when he started his school. It takes someone famous like Ben to have people believe!

[Anonymous No.1672185,4]

I go to the school and he's not a tyrant. I have no idea why all these stories are coming up. He seems like a genuinely good guy who helps anyone who asks and encourages hard work.