/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.1645595]

why i can't paint with photoshop ? most of digital artists use photoshop but i find it impossible to paint with it .
sai is way much better

[Anonymous No.1645597]

You're too lazy to set up your brushes and general workflow to feel like it does in sai.

[Anonymous No.1645599]

you're shit either way so it does not matter.

[Anonymous No.1645600]

Not OP, but does anyone have good painting tutorials?

[Anonymous No.1645603]

You didn't even try.

[Anonymous No.1645605]

>>1645603
i tried and i think photoshop is cool only for playing tricks! for shooping! and not for painting i admit it has illimited possibilities with brushes but for strokes and blending ! it sucks
using smudge tool for painting is really pathetic

[Anonymous No.1645606]

>>1645600

lol. go back to da.

[Anonymous No.1645609]

You didn't even fucking try OP.

0/10 shit b8.

[Anonymous No.1645614]

>>1645595
what i am trying to say is that you can come with better outcome with sai than with photoshop and in a very short time

[Anonymous No.1645618]

>>1645605
>i think photoshop is cool only for playing tricks! for shooping! and not for painting

[Anonymous No.1645760]

because you don't know how to paint. SAI compensates for your lack of skill somewhat by pandering to people like you.

Go learn to paint and it won't matter what program you use.

[Anonymous No.1645765]

OP you need IV 50mg of Loomisadone.

[Anonymous No.1645771]

>>1645765
it would be funny if the pic was somehow actually related to his drawings

[Anonymous No.1645773]

>>1645618
Dat tiny hand.

[Anonymous No.1645888]

>>1645599
Jesus Christ piss off. "You suck" is not critique, go back to /b/ you edgy fuckwit.

[Anonymous No.1645893]

>>1645595

[Anonymous No.1645900]

>>1645595
When i was a scrub like you op. i found ps to be way to hard to learn. like i felt it had potenital but it was overwhelming. i stuck to programs like coral painter 11 for the first few months.

i than decided to swith to photoshop. "corel crashed a fuckton" my skill instantly dropped below that of what i was producing in the other program.

suggestions are this.

>learn layers
>use only 3 brushes. hardround, softround, texturebrush"
> learn how opacity works.

keep it simple and build up.


also pic related my first attempts in each program.

[Anonymous No.1645904]

>>1645595
When i was a scrub like you op. i found ps to be way to hard to learn. like i felt it had potenital but it was overwhelming. i stuck to programs like coral painter 11 for the first few months.

i than decided to swith to photoshop. "corel crashed a fuckton" my skill instantly dropped below that of what i was producing in the other program.

suggestions are this.

>learn layers
>use only 3 brushes. hardround, softround, texturebrush"
> learn how opacity works.

keep it simple and build up.


also pic related my first attempts in each program.

i love ps now btw. always learning new stuff about the tool.

[Anonymous No.1645950]

>>1645904
pls post your most recent work

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.1645953]

Paint Tool SAI is pretty awesome, I used to think it was just for line-work heavy/anime-ish pieces but I've gotten good results with it, to the point I've almost moved on from my 1st art program: ArtRage

I also don't do anything fancy, I use default brushes and very few layers.

I tried PS back when I started but I found it way too cumbersome. However, I'm aware that I should learn to use it some day.

Pic related, I did it with Paint Tool SAI

[Anonymous No.1645986]

>>1645953
>I use default brushes

Which is all you need most of the time anyway.
People should stop thinking about different brushes so much. I think ctrlpaint makes a good point when he says that you should delete all your fancy brushes and only use 3 different ones

[Anonymous No.1645995]

>>1645773
no its not.

[Anonymous No.1645999]

>>1645950
im not much better. im still a scrub just not as scruby.

[Anonymous No.1645997]

>>1645986
What about only using just one? I only use hard round

[Anonymous No.1646008]

>>1645595
>dat shitty 5second lineart which tells a lot about your weak hand
>dat shitty attempt to mix colors
you didn't even tried
>why i can't paint with photoshop ?
...
>i tried and i think photoshop is cool only for playing tricks! for shooping! and not for painting
You are a faggot/faggotess.

[Anonymous No.1646013]

>>1645953

i see no difference between your results and

>>1645999
these

the difference is .... time and effort, with sai it is way much easier and smoother and faster

and sai is like a minimal version of corel paint

we know that photoshop is the reference in image processing and everything else from pixel art to animation but when it comes to painting ! i dont think it is the case

[Anonymous No.1646021]

>>1646013
maybe i still like photoshops interface. i have really only used sai for lineart. i think it is a great program though.

also the time and effort for those studies are as follows in order. 1:35, 5hrs, 4-5hrs. just in case you were wondering.

[Anonymous No.1646026]

>>1646008
he is right, though.

[Anonymous No.1646056]

>>1646013
>we know that photoshop is the reference in image processing and everything else from pixel art to animation but when it comes to painting ! i dont think it is the case

Well, you are wrong, plain and simple. When every single one of the great digital artists uses photoshop and not a single one of them uses SAI, then maybe you should start asking yourself why that is. Do you think the likes of Jaime Jones, Mullins, Kuciara, Bumskee, Whit Brachna, Nathan Fowkes, the chinese powerhouses etc are all stupid and only you are smart enough to use SAI?

[Anonymous No.1646058]

>>1646056
gonna need references for that.
also, we already had a thread about that and you are stupid.

[Anonymous No.1646060]

>>1646026
No he's not. There are hundreds of digital artists who prove that photoshop is a great software to create stunning digital paintings. Please go ahead and post a painting done in SAI that looks even remotely as good as a Ruanjia or Jaime Jones painting.

[Anonymous No.1646063]

>>1646058
Reference for what?

[Anonymous No.1646066]

good choice OP, photoshop sucks and are just for hacks.

[Anonymous No.1646074]

>>1646066
exactly.

[Anonymous No.1646083]

In all seriousness, can anyone of the SAI fanboys post a painting that was done in SAI that looks remotely up to the industry standards? All SAI paintingsI have ever seen are pretty cheap looking animu stuff.

[Anonymous No.1646093]

>>1646066
they both suck

paint with oils OP if you want to go anywhere besides "hur my concept art guise"

well even oil painting skills transfers over to digital art

[Anonymous No.1646101]

>>1646083
>industry standard
>matte painting
>photo overpaint
>photobashing
>thinks still it's not for hacks

thanks for proving you have no brains.

[Anonymous No.1646104]

>>1646063
for what you said. how you know that "every single one of the great digital artists uses photoshop and not a single one of them uses SAI"
it's like you never wrote a research paper to know know the difference between facts and hypothesis.
or maybe you're still in middle school, so that would explain it.

[Anonymous No.1646106]

>>1646101
>>photo overpaint
this.

[Anonymous No.1646108]

>>1645618
that photoshop blending is still shit

while it takes a lot longer to achieve a smiliar result it when compared to SAI

[Anonymous No.1646110]

>>1646083
http://painttoolsai-artist.deviantart.com/gallery/30125399 :y

[Anonymous No.1646115]

>>1646056
>years of experience using X program
>successful using it
>changing it for something else
>everyone else should do the same
Adobe's propaganda in the work.

[Anonymous No.1646124]

>>1646083
http://www.donmai.us/posts?&page=1&tags=hjl
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=asukaziye
and many more

>>1646110
shit.

[Anonymous No.1646148]

>>1646083
This guy on DA is pretty cool

[Anonymous No.1646152]

>>1646108
I can't even think of an appropriate reaction to this. Are you trolling or just genuinely clueless about art? or maybe blind?

[Anonymous No.1646153]

>>1646148
damn, props for painting the textures manually.

[Anonymous No.1646154]

>>1646148

[Anonymous No.1646158]

>>1646148
Some of his paintings are done with one brush on one layer, it's pretty impressive!

[Anonymous No.1646161]

>>1646158

[Anonymous No.1646162]

[Anonymous No.1646169]

[Anonymous No.1646168]

>>1646158
>one brush on one layer
A lot of people paint on a single layer. Single brush is bullshit looking at those.

[Anonymous No.1646172]

[Anonymous No.1646175]

>>1646168
I didn't say specifically THOSE were just one brush, I just posted a few random ones I like! Visit the guys DA, he usually posts info like that in the descriptions and makes video's of the process.

[Anonymous No.1646216]

sai is for hacks and wannabees like op. anyone who says other wise is obviosly a troll or a shill.

[Anonymous No.1646217]

>>1646216
0/10

[Anonymous No.1646225]

>>1646217
this entire thread is nothing but shills and trolls. he is right.

[Anonymous No.1646229]

ITT: Weeaboos defending the baby's first anime-drawing software and Photoshop fags falling for the bait.
Fun fact: If you can't get along with a drawing software it doesn't mean it's shit. Defending the other software you're biased on (even if it has less features or it's the most popular tool for drawing generic animu grils) doesn't make it any better either.
All boils down in how much skills you have to drawn with whatever software you're using now, and, SAI or Photoshop, OP's drawing is still fucking shit on both accounts.

[Anonymous No.1646235]

>>1646229
tfw i enjoy the taste of worms in the morning.

[Anonymous No.1646237]

>>1646225
>he is right.
stop defending yourself, samefag.

[Anonymous No.1646243]

>>1646237
stop watching my ip bro. your not going to like my post or me if you do.

[Anonymous No.1646256]

ITT: digital plebs

[Anonymous No.1646262]

>>1646256
There are legitimate reasons to stick with digital rather than physical mediums. Chief among them is how expensive paint can be. The only barrier to entry on digital is the cost of a tablet and you're good to go for the next decade. Physical painting has so much overhead that digital is a much more economical alternative.

Though I do respect the higher learning curve and the dedication that it takes to get good at 'real' painting when there are so many tricks and shortcuts that people use on digital

[Anonymous No.1646265]

>>1646235
>"Oh look at me! I can't come up with an argument so I will spout random insults to teach him a lesson!"
Alternatively:
>"I'm butthurt because he told me my shitty art is shit"
Grow a fucking thick skin and actually learn how2art, you faggotess.

[Anonymous No.1646276]

>>1645595
Sai's good for being such a lightweight program.

Photoshop is however far superior and produces much better results. You just need to adjust to the fact that different programs have different workflows.

You'd never be able to use Sai in a professional capacity due to the limitations of it being a raster-only program. The most use it sees in the professional sphere is for linework that's then imported to Photoshop to be painted over.

[Anonymous No.1646277]

>>1646265
a bit confused at what your are trying to convey mate.

though im guessing you just wanted to bump your troll thread back to the top. so you can have something to do with your pathetic exsistince you call life.

[Anonymous No.1646280]

>>1646276
this guy

[Anonymous No.1646384]

>>1646124
>oh no he proved me wrong!
>better insult all the stuff he showed me!

[Anonymous No.1646393]

>>1646083
Not a superstar professional, but this artist does make a living.

[Anonymous No.1646398]

>>1646384
>>oh no he proved me wrong!
that dA link is horrible and i think you are misunderstanding something

[Anonymous No.1646399]

>>1646398
>denial

pls go

[Anonymous No.1646401]

>>1646399
that your friend?

[Anonymous No.1646402]

fascinating topic not sure how i feel about this

been using photoshop for years tho, only spent 10 sec on paint sai and didnt like the interface

that being said here is a pic done in paint sai not by me, dan makes it look to easy

[Anonymous No.1646404]

People dont seem to understand the idea of using what you're comfortable with.

[Anonymous No.1646406]

>>1646083
I know of one chinese artist who uses almost exclusively SAI

[Anonymous No.1646415]

>>1645986
So for painting, does it really matter that much if the program has a hard round and a soft round that do what you want them to do?

[Anonymous No.1646418]

Regardless of personal opinion, Photoshop is still the reigning industry standard. So if you ever want to do art in a professional capacity and make money off of it, you better learn you some photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1646419]

>>1646418
>not using Krita

[Anonymous No.1646423]

>>1646418
Obviously every professional uses PS in some capacity. And most digital paint programs that aren't PS can open and save .psd files, iirc. If it can't it probably wasn't worth trying in the first place.

But when it comes to the main part of painting the image there are artists who use alternatives, Painter especially, for most of the actual process. Then they use Photoshop for anything Painter can't do.

[Anonymous No.1646426]

Sai is pretty good for painting and linework but it has almost no editing tools (like resizing selections) and that pisses me off sometimes.

Hoping Sai 2 settles that ship up.

[Anonymous No.1646432]

>>1645595
>>1645600
ctrlpaint dot com has basic tutorials on digital painting using photoshop. OP I think you should be more focused on drawing for now before trying to paint.

[Anonymous No.1646433]

>>1646426
but they do?

[Anonymous No.1646435]

>>1646433
What?

[Anonymous No.1646545]

>>1645595
>Uses Sai for amazing linework
>Photoshop makes me want to throw up after using it for a certain amount of time
>Too stupid to figure out for a long time to use ctrl+alt+z (?) instead of ctrl+z to go back multiple steps
>If I can I use Photoshop for smaller stuff to avoid weird ass sickness

[Anonymous No.1646548]

>>1646545
Funny, I feel the opposite. I can't stand using SAI.
>thread basically boils down to personal preference and opinions

How surprising.

[Anonymous No.1646753]

>>1646548
>Thread boils down to lazy weebs who need a line stabilizer to make their work look passable and people with Photoshop who can actually draw

FTFY

[Anonymous No.1646755]

>>1646753
>hacking is drawing

oh lawdy

[Anonymous No.1646757]

>>1646435
Sai does have editing tools, even shortcuts are the same.

>>1646753
so immature. opinion=discarded.

[Anonymous No.1646790]

learn to paint in PS the industry standard you lazy fucks.

the program is so deep you will learn new things about it 10 years into your career.

[Anonymous No.1646794]

>>1646790
>the program is so deep

you meant updated every half a year with more useless clutter so adobe could make tons of $$$ from you.

>still no good color wheel system

[Anonymous No.1646878]

>>1646794

I've developed the ability to make decisions about color without referencing a color wheel,

an art miracle

[Anonymous No.1646883]

>>1646878
and I can mix colors with oil paint so what's your point?

[Anonymous No.1646893]

>>1646790
i started out with PS and know it in-n-out, but Sai still feels better. it utilizes pen pressure better and completely lag-free.

[Grim !Gmfcx.irmM No.1646896]

>>1645595
lel this thread is troll.

[Anonymous No.1646967]

Loving all the posts that ask for proof about showing something done in SAI that looks better than something done in Photoshop. Shows how many retards there are. Photoshop and SAI are TOOLS an artist uses. The final product more often than not does not depend on the TOOL, it depends on the artist and how good he is with said tool.

Someone who has been working with Photoshop for 5+ years and only a year on SAI can probably end up doing a better job (same piece) with Photoshop because he has more experience with it. As far as blending colors, SAI has a really easy way to do it and many amateur artist might prefer SAI over Photoshop because of it. This might also explain why the huge amount of amateur art done in SAI that just looks bad. Photoshop is more similar to painting in that you have to go over both colors to get a smooth transition between colors. When you manually have to work on something, you usually have more control over it instead of just depending on the program to do it for you.

That being said, I hate SAI's interface and even though you can change the hotkeys around, and it has a few of the basic functions that photoshop has, the program still feels somewhat alien to me. I really do enjoy the line corrector thing it has especially when I am doing linework for an anime related picture. Havent really used SAI to paint that much but I once tried creating something in a semi-realistic style and I couldn't get the skin to actually look like skin, something which I can do easily by using Photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1647119]

to each his own.

(pic related, done in sai)

[Anonymous No.1647120]

>>1647119
it is shit. i agree though

[Anonymous No.1647124]

>>1647120
thanks for agreeing PS is shit.

[Anonymous No.1647148]

>>1647124
art = being shit

/= program being shit.

god you kids who start in digital are cancer.

[Anonymous No.1647172]

>>1646158
>>1646154
>>1646161

>wow look at me putting in 10 times the effort when this could be done in a few clicks using photoshop

[Anonymous No.1647211]

>>1647119
>A chink mongoloid done in a animu-drawing chink mongoloid program
Fits perfectly.

[Anonymous No.1647212]

>>1647124
well played.

[Anonymous No.1647216]

>>1646794
SAI isn't free either you fucking weeaboo.

[Anonymous No.1647221]

>>1647172
You might be missing the point of the artist making the paintings at all, here.

[Anonymous No.1647224]

>>1647124
>>1647212
>Lack of capitalized words
>Period at the end of the sentence
>It also could be assumed you are the same faggot as the other uncapitalized replies
I can't wait for you to post and Mspaint-edited pic about how many posts don't have "(You)" on it.

[Anonymous No.1647233]

>>1647224
Funny how easy it is to fool someone into thinking you're someone else, because there is always an idiot who rationalizes based on how someone types and capitalization.

[Anonymous No.1647255]

>>1647211
damage control

[Anonymous No.1647357]

>>1646276
>produces much better results
How can it produce better results when it comes to drawing, using simple brushes and layers, no fancy tricks?
I'm a faggot, can anyone please just explain what's better on Photoshop in this case? Thank you.

[Anonymous No.1647359]

>>1646418
Dat vicious circle absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous No.1647424]

Photoshop is for textures, editing, professional stuff. You probably like SAI more because it's simple and there's less stuff to try to figure out how to use.

Honestly, why don't you use more than one art program to draw

[Anonymous No.1647436]

Do you guys do everything by hand in Photoshop? Sai doesn't seem to have all the 'cool' stuff that Photoshop has, so I end up having to do every single detail by hand without a certain brush or editing it in a way that would make everything more simple in ps.

That's all ps seems good for.

[Anonymous No.1647438]

>>1647436
if you're learning, that's encouraged.

[Anonymous No.1647445]

>>1647172

This comment COMPLETELY disqualifies you from any worthwhile discussion.

[Anonymous No.1647744]

>>1647445
he is wrong. but look at the marks in those paintings. there fucking atrocious. looks like some lazily slapped on the colors without care

it's only considered good for artist on /ic/

[Anonymous No.1647745]

>>1647119
Looks pretty good man. keep doing work

[Anonymous No.1648003]

>>1645888
Don't deny that it IS fucking shit. Also, I assume she is a spoiled tumblr-bimbo who never heard anyone call her shit drawings less than amazing. It is good for her to hear the truth once in a while or she will transform into a gigantic self-praising faggot who will hang herself as soon as she learns that the industry is unforgiving.

Also, OP, you're a gigantic twat for not even trying.

[Anonymous No.1648066]

>>1647745
not his