Alternative Art/Stylization General

[Anonymous No.1627707]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"Gesture is the single most important element in the drawing." - Glenn Vilppu

Previous Thread: >>1624421

Try to keep calm, have a positive attitude and avoid making Kind Janitor-san angry!

A general message to aspiring artists: Don't ever think that you should stop attempting to learn how to draw because "it takes too long" or "drawing is just a hobby." Being shitty at your hobby is definitely not better than doing your hobby well, no matter what your laziness tells you. Have some dedication in what you love to do, damn it!

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
http://www.squidoo.com/w-ic-i
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "Git gud."

[Anonymous No.1627744]

Less anime, let's make some western cancer.

[Anonymous No.1627747]

>>1627744
dude, /co/ just bust out with the panda requests lately.

[Anonymous No.1627758]

crits pls

also any tips on making VN art? I know I'm miles away but I want to know if there's any techniques artists use to make them.

[Anonymous No.1627773]

why are you guys such massive weirdos

[Anonymous No.1627782]

>>1627773
Why do you hate fun things? It's not like we're drawing furry here or some shit.

[Anonymous No.1627787]

>>1627747
Really? got to start lurking there again...

[Anonymous No.1627876]

I just started drawing anything a week ago and decided I liked the sort of manga anime style. This eye is what I have to show for my progress.

[Anonymous No.1627886]

Why have I been unable to delete post as of late? Anyway reposting from last thread with a little progress.

[Anonymous No.1627889]

>>1627886
have you ever seen a vagina?

[Anonymous No.1627894]

>>1627889
Sorry, I've never seen past mosaic censoring in my life.

[Anonymous No.1627933]

[Anonymous No.1627949]

>>1627876
It's...not much to go on. You might want to start drawing other things besides eyes though.

[Lefty No.1627951]

>>1627894
whenever i look at a vagina theres a weird black bar blocking it for you see, i'm half japanese

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fuuuuuuu try and type this captcha when you're as drugged as i am lol lets see if works

[Anonymous No.1627956]

Tip on drawing large sagging breasts pls.

[Anonymous No.1627970]

>>1627956
draw them large and sagging. also ref

[Anonymous No.1627973]

>>1627956
Imagine drawing bags of sand.

[Anonymous No.1627982]

>>1627886
Her body reminds me that of an ant, or insect of some short.

[Anonymous No.1627993]

>>1627707
>Being shitty at your hobby
A year ago I came here with my shit, and got so depressed I haven't really recovered. I quit drawing, ripped up a new paper article I had about me, and have basically nothing I want to do with my life now. In a way I should thank you guys for helping me to realize how worthless I am. Eitherway, drawing is a useless hobby, you will never make anything out of it even if you are good.

The most important thing I have learned from failing my dreams is that if you have no dreams you will not fail.

[Anonymous No.1627994]

>>1627993
if you have no dreams you wont succeed either

now take your defeatist attitude somewhere else

[Anonymous No.1627995]

>>1627993
>you will never make anything out of it even if you are good.
There is money to be made, you will be surprised how much people around the internet are willing to pay you
if they want to try and procreate with your drawings.And even without that drawing is an awesome tool
that lets you create anything, maybe you won't be that good in 1 or 2 years but if you keep at it for the rest
of your life, you will be able to make pretty good things at some point.

[Anonymous No.1627997]

>>1627994
>if you have no dreams you wont succeed either
thats what you think. now back to my masturbation session and autism bucks.

even in that analogy so what at worst we are equal? what are you even trying to say.

[Anonymous No.1627998]

>>1627993
go back to /jp/

[Anonymous No.1627999]

>>1627995
>you will be surprised how much people around the internet are willing to pay you
>if they want to try and procreate with your drawings.
yeah what have you made, $50 in a life time? $200? You would make more robbing college kids.

>maybe you won't be that good in 1 or 2 years but if you keep at it for the rest
>of your life, you will be able to make pretty good things at some point.
Drawing, a lifetime investment, for ahh some 'pretty good' results. Wow sold, sign me up.

[Anonymous No.1628000]

>>1627993
Draw your fetishes. Eventually you will get good enough to fap to your own art. Now you have an endless supply of material. This works best if you never view other pieces of art again.

[Anonymous No.1628002]

>>1628000
yeah except there are already 10k people already drawing what I like for free and 100k free porns online that do my 'fetishes' and beyond. boring.

[Anonymous No.1628003]

>>1627876

Not sure what people think of Sycra here but if you're going to straight out pump desu sauce on everything you're drawing then watch at least the first 3 mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUYG1hkY5c

TL:DW = Style is a result of an artist interpreting and distorting reality in their own little way.By copying straight off another style then you're not getting your work from the original source. Its more flexible to work from reality and then mess around.

[Anonymous No.1628004]

>>1628003
yeah, your in the wrong thread buddy

[Anonymous No.1628005]

>>1627999
Your problem is that you don't like drawing, you like making good pictures for others to admire.
If you don't enjoy the process of it, you will never do anything. Half the fan is trying to solve the problems
as mister vilppu said.If you don't like it you will never like to study and practice and i doubt that you ever did
practice with effort, let alone practising with an effort daily.

[Anonymous No.1628007]

>>1627999
>Drawing, a lifetime investment, for ahh some 'pretty good' results. Wow sold, sign me up.
you are pathetic. you will never get good at anything, and it's nobody's fault but yours.
take this to /jp/, you'll find more of your kind. because honestly, we don't care.

so you've given up. alright.
now get lost

[Anonymous No.1628008]

>>1627993
>Eitherway, drawing is a useless hobby, you will never make anything out of it even if you are good.

Useless or not its fucking fun, sorry if you got your dreams crushed snowflake and couldn't enjoy it anymore

[Anonymous No.1628010]

>>1628004
yea probably.

[Anonymous No.1628011]

>>1627993
nobody cares kill yourself kthnxbai

[Anonymous No.1628012]

>>1628007
>take this to /jp/
And don't forget to ask magister for tutorials if you ever draw again.

[Anonymous No.1628014]

>>1628005
Yeah except I have drawn my whole life. Have practiced tons. Have stacks of scrap books and improved insane amounts beyond what I showed here. No matter how good I do, I get nothing but negitivity back because doing anything is futile in life.

It was my dream to leave behind a body of work, then I realized that I failed because I had a dream. At the risk of being edgy I fear that 99% of us are just destined to leave behind a body, and nothing more but scribbles that are nothing but points of entry for hecklers and the more/less talented to tear you apart for.

I like the Lao Tsu line ''do nothing and leave nothing undone'' I think I will never have to complete anything because I never did anything.

[Anonymous No.1628015]

>>1628007
>you will never get good at anything, and it's nobody's fault but yours.
see you seem to think I am pathetic, but I have realized this is true for myself. while you still haven't.

[Anonymous No.1628016]

>>1628014
take this shit to >>>/soc/ we are busy improving our craft

oh wait, this is the anime thread, carry on

[Anonymous No.1628017]

>>1628016
>improving our craft
but your not. you will never be as good as a pixiv or DA artist. you will never be anything. thats why you are here on 4chan in the first place.

[Anonymous No.1628018]

>>1628017
lmao

[Anonymous No.1628019]

>>1627933
Still bad but not as bad. I won't give up

[Anonymous No.1628023]

>>1628014
And as i said before, you don't like drawing it's easy to think that you do but you don't, you were just
chasing the carrot. Drawing is the whole process, studying is exciting and not a grind. So i think that
it's good that you realise this, i just don't understand why you are showing your problems down on others,
i love drawing and every minute of it,i get excited everytime i open an new anatomy book because i might learn
something new, and i don't really care when or if i will ever be at any kind of level, because drawing and creating is fun.

[Anonymous No.1628024]

>>1628023
I like to say 'it's the journey; there is no destination'

[Anonymous No.1628025]

>>1627997
I'm taking a science foundation that lasts a whole year then i can take any degree i want according to my GPA and I'm aiming for multimedia.

If I get a 3.00+ GPA (full is 4.00) I'm eligible to take part in a monbakusho program that lets me choose whatever degree course in Japan and get a 30000 yen allowance each week for the whole course.

Both the science and monbakusho program is government funded and I get scholarship on both.

you tell me.

[Anonymous No.1628026]

>>1628015
nope. you can go "boohooo it's so hard" all you want. you think others don't know this?
i've probably known this for much longer than you can even draw.
most people get into this knowing it's hard.

so yes, i meant it exactly as i wrote:
you will never get good at anything, and it's nobody's fault but yours.

[Anonymous No.1628027]

>>1628017
>you will never be as good as a pixiv or DA artist.
I am very interesting to see what you think is a good artist now.
I bet you also believe at talent as a necessity for technical skills.

[Anonymous No.1628028]

>>1628017
What you don't know is, quite a number of those pixiv and DA artists lurk 4chan.

Mainly on /a/ and /jp/ drawthreads

[Anonymous No.1628029]

>>1628012
Does Magister give tutorials? I need to master the art of oppai lolis.

[Anonymous No.1628030]

>>1628029
I thought that it was obvious that i was ironic. As magister has made /jp/ his little dick sucking
nest, at the time that i was around anyways.

[Anonymous No.1628031]

>>1628029
You can ask him directly in /a/'s drawthread irc

that's what i usually do

[Anonymous No.1628032]

>>1628030
I have the feeling that you're the one who kept sending him death threats

[Anonymous No.1628034]

>>1628032
No, i haven't heard of this before, but i can't be throwing stones in my glass made house i guess, as i do post my drawings on deviantart to get my dick sucked from people that draw naruto fan art.

[Anonymous No.1628035]

>>1628034
It was damn weird man

It started from minor insults to the creation of the term Maginigger which spilled a little onto /a/ then went to full blown death threats.

sasuga /jp/

[Anonymous No.1628036]

>>1628030
>>1628034
How did you NOT hear this? If you spent even a minimal amount of time paying attention to the threads, you'd know it was all shitposting in his general direction. None of the artists that frequent /jp/ start shit, only the people who don't contribute.

>>1628031
He hasn't even been there in over a year, though?

[Anonymous No.1628037]

>>1628027
>>1628028
Pixiv and DA have some decent people but it is few and far from what I have seen and most of it is on Pixiv. and yeah no, I have been in the /a/ and /jp/ draw threads and yeah no, you are all shit. a few of you get anatomy and heads, bravo. nothing special, and I have yet to see one of you who has made it to backgrounds yet.

there really is also no such thing as talent, it is a buzzword thrown around by those who dont want to give it to you straight and merely encourage you.

all of this is lies, you will all never accomplish anything. turn back now.

>>1628025
yeah you and me know if that was possible you wouldn't be here on the losers refuge on 4chan. also I would love to see your lol manga.

[Anonymous No.1628038]

>>1628036
what the fuck are you talking about we've always been talking about shit there.

hell, people are currently trying to get him to join the kancolle game too if he hasn't already

[Anonymous No.1628039]

How do I git gud?

[Anonymous No.1628042]

>>1628039
By not drawing anime.

[Anonymous No.1628043]

>>1628035
That's sad to hear, it reminds me of the time that trap drawing mangaka was getting
antygay death threats and decided to stop drawing traps, it's quite sad as art is for creating things
with no limit, outside of realities boundaries, yet some people want to take that awesome gift away.

>>1628036
I haven't been on/jp/ for over a year, i remember that people was always shitposting about him but
i didn't hear about any death threats at that time.

[Anonymous No.1628044]

>>1628037
because most draw for fun the actually good artists now took time to practice and listen to advice alongside study.

a good number of /a/'s and /jp/'s artists are beginners but there are even people who make a living selling doujins in comiket and draws for the dr/a/wthreads

[Anonymous No.1628046]

>>1628044
>but there are even people who make a living selling doujins in comiket and draws for the dr/a/wthreads
umm no

there are
>people who make a living selling doujins in comiket

and then there are people who
>draws for the dr/a/wthreads
you need to make that distinction so people can understand the difference between something that sells in japan, and furry porn on DA

but please go on and tell me more about all that big money you have made. like that college guy who is obviously making so much in art he is going to college to learn from people who cannot do. fantastic.

[Anonymous No.1628048]

>>1628037
>no such thing as talent
So you don't believe in talent, you acknowledge that there are many professional and good artist around
but you somehow think that is impossible for anyone to reach that level of craft? you just don't make
sense now.

[Anonymous No.1628049]

>>1628046
son, the guy goes to irc

a few others proxy through him to sell doujins too since he's the one who has easiest access to comiket.

another guy who draws on /d/ and /a/ sell his futa doujins by proxy and on melonbooks and dlsite.

[Anonymous No.1628052]

>>1628049
>a few others proxy through him to sell doujins too since he's the one who has easiest access to comiket.
>another guy who draws on /d/ and /a/ sell his futa doujins by proxy and on melonbooks and dlsite.

>irc
yeah so he doesn't exist. nice.

>>1628048
>So you don't believe in talent
What is talent? A first grader might have talent, same with a 10th grader. Its subjective. People who study and get good have skill, not talent, because talent is a lenient term to encourage people from beginner onward. I bet you think you have talent too. I bet you are under 25 and your brain hasn't fully formed yet and you are still under the delusions that you are 'talented' because you are better than garbage and mommy said you were. So drawing teacher at community college said so right, because you showed up to school and he was trying to stay positive in the face of what his life had become.

[Anonymous No.1628053]

>>1628052
If you're so adamant on denying someone is indefinitely better than you on 4chan you can go check it yourself on /a/'s drawthread irc.

I'm still trying to get better so I can proxy him too without the sheer embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.1628054]

>>1628049
>irc
holy shit, THE irc? does he know taliz too?

[Anonymous No.1628055]

>>1628052
my original post is>>1628027
How did you even got to the conclusion that i believe in talent is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.1628057]

>>1628054
/a/'s drawthread IRC

not the fool'z shiposter brigade IRC

it's funny actually, tali shitposted the drawthreads to hell once because he got banned from drawthread irc

[Anonymous No.1628058]

>>1628053
>sheer embarrassment.
yeah and don't hold your breath. its always nice to have a dream, and you too will soon find out that yours is pointless and a disappointment engine that has yet to accelerate into full gear.

also I just came here from the /a/ drawshit thread as that is my home board, and frankly its garbage. one poster on there is not a full retard and still at best he is marginal. not trying to knock him, because he has spilled countless hours into his craft but none the less it was useless and will never bear fruit. so enjoy your bakuman fantasies, you will never be good enough to sell in japan or even in the shitty domestic market. the best you can do is get a 9-5 at michaels and dream on about self publishing one day. anything else is merely a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.1628059]

>>1628055
>How did you even got to the conclusion that i believe in talent is beyond me.
how did they even got internet in your part of the world is beyond me

[Anonymous No.1628060]

>>1628058
nice projecting

[Anonymous No.1628063]

>>1628003
I appreciate the thought. I got to that drawing from a semi-realistic looking eye and adapted little things from other people's styles, so no worries about just copying and pasting from somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1628064]

>>1628058
pls get a trip and post more often.
this is giving me some serious motivation

[Anonymous No.1628065]

>>1628058
and honestly on that note I have real shit to do tomorrow like learn Japanese, and watch the new anime season, so at this point I am going to bail.

I will leave you with this.

You are all wasting your time, no matter what you are trying to indulge, fantasy, fetish, sexual relations, friends, there are better ways to go about it than this dying medium full of people in a highly competitive market of marginal people who mostly are going to get jobs because of their contacts and not skill. That being said the majority of you have not even the skill to hack it in this tilted playing field. The best you can hope for is a 'thats really good son' from mommy/daddy(assuming you have one) or a future spouse/significant who praises you without really caring too much because its better than their stick figure art.

[Anonymous No.1628066]

>>1628065
was meant for >>1628053

[Anonymous No.1628068]

>>1628065
>You are all wasting your time, no matter what you are trying to indulge, fantasy, fetish, sexual relations, friends,

oh god /jp/ my sides can't take it.

[Anonymous No.1628070]

>>1628065
I know how you're feeling anon, I hate fun too.

[Anonymous No.1628072]

>>1628065
have fun playing the broken wise man.
and please post more often since it is motivating. because there is a little truth to what you're saying.

but still, in the end you're just a loser who gave up because it was too hard for you. and now you try to convince us about CANT YOU SEE HOW HARD IT IS?!
you'Re already crying and you've never even gotten past the beginner stage. and now you gave up.
with accomplishments like that, you're not qualified to tell anyone anything.

that's what happens when you let hobbyists onto /ic/

[Anonymous No.1628088]

>>1627993
What a loser.

[Anonymous No.1628136]

>>1628065
You are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.1628149]

>>1628019

If you have an under-drawing why are your inks so inefficient and chicken scratchy?

[Anonymous No.1628150]

oh well

[Anonymous No.1628152]

fuk, forgot picture

[Anonymous No.1628160]

Told you this thread was taken over by catty foreveralone slapfucks from /a/, /v/ and /jp/

[Anonymous No.1628179]

>>1628016
Don't encourage stuff like this. When shit starts flying, it gets on everyone. Look at how all the boards have changed thanks to /v/'s "ironic" shitposting in the past years.

[Anonymous No.1628182]

>>1628072
>because there is a little truth to what you're saying.
no this isn't motivation its truth. regardless of what you feel it it. I encourage you to find out the truth for yourself. then after a year or two come back here and tell me that you don't feel this way.

>>1628136
>>1628088
If you feel that way fine. I didn't solicit your opinion. I actually feel liberated by not having to worry about becoming good. I accepted that I suck and that this hobby is not only a waste of my time its also a waste of your time too, because of how incredibly marginal you are. but none the less you are telling yourselves that I am a loser and and you are the exception right? thats youth. not experience speaking, in your still incompletely formed mind you have hope for the future because you haven't yet realized how completely hopeless it is. either way, good luck and don't believe your professor or parents when they praise you. its fake, they get paid to help encourage you/they are your parents.

[Anonymous No.1628183]

>>1628044
oh and here you go idiot. tell me more about how much money you are going to make from doujins in the future. back to the 'draw your fetishes' defense I guess.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-08/doujinshi-artist-claims-downloads-of-work-are-10-times-higher-than-sales

[Anonymous No.1628188]

>>1628183
They are comparing downloads of something that is downloaded worldwide
of something that is for sale in japan only and for a very limited time. Also
downloads are always going to be more than sales of anything, that's a given.

[Anonymous No.1628193]

>>1628029
I'm still around, but you're better off asking Kyle about doodling fat little girls than me...

>>1628044
You should quit replying to that guy in general, but he is right about Comiket being poor for sales. Nobody goes to make money, honestly, unless you're a humongous circle/huge name. You will likely -lose- money if you are not one of these. However, you're a foreigner, and foreign conventions are massively lucrative in comparison, even for smalltime artists. You can sell single pictures at an American convention for 4~8x the price you'd be forced to sell whole doujin at comiket at(and of course the cost is much cheaper). Also the Japanese are somewhat foreign to the concept of the single commission when it comes to art(pay one time, get one picture). I've seen popular mangaka come to large American conventions and sell doodles they can make in 5 minutes for $60 or more, and they do this all day, while they'd never get away with it at Comiket. In that sense, it's actually easier for gaijin to profit than regular comiket-goers.

[Anonymous No.1628197]

>>1628182
>no this isn't motivation its truth. regardless of what you feel it it. I encourage you to find out the truth for yourself. then after a year or two come back here and tell me that you don't feel this way.
but i'm already not a beginner anon. how did i get there?
what you're doing is you're telling every beginner here they'll never learn drawing. that's just ridiculous.
just imagine i saw a post like this 5 years ago and listened to it. imagine huke or redjuice listened to somethng like this while they were learning and decided to stop doing their craft.
not to mention that even IF they never got popular, they would still be doing their thing.
you are pathetic. stop projecting already.

also: you're not the exeption but you ARE a loser.
and that's not because you gave up, it's because you gave up and now proceed to cry about it like a wet puppy in the rain.

there are so many things wrong with your thought process. you treat art as a way to get attention. and that's where you failed.

[Anonymous No.1628198]

>>1628193
nobody here ACTUALLY cares about making it into comiket.
i don't think so at least.

[Anonymous No.1628202]

>>1628197
agree with you, this guy just assumes everyone here only draw for 1-2 years. There are also people who just lurk here on /ic/ but draw for years and can make a living with their art. A ton of people did it before him and made it, and even more will make it. It's hilarious how he projects his pathetic failure on others.
Can't wait for his next reply.

[Anonymous No.1628205]

I couldn't help but notice the lack of discipline some of you have; in order to achieve any goal you must strive for that goal and keep at it no matter the circumstances. Some of you have been told to stop drawing, maybe you've been told you will never make it, or maybe you where rejected in some way shape or form. Doesn't matter, let me remind you all what I quoted in the previous OP:

"There must be a genuine basic motive behind any genuine effort. ...search quietly and thoroughly for this basic motive, because if it is powerful enough, it will give you the strength to withstand discouragement, disappointment, disillusionment, or even seeming failure." - Andrew Loomis

Point in case, if you draw as a pass time, if you draw to relieve stress, to get away from the world and its problems, to achieve personal satisfaction, or if money is your motive use these to withstand the obstacles you encounter.

[Anonymous No.1628208]

>>1628197
>but i'm already not a beginner anon. how did i get there?
not a beginner, not a success. you are the best example I could have come across.

also you guys keep throwing around the pejorative 'loser' or similar terms. I think that is your own mental rejections of what I am saying because you already know its true. its unfortunately so true that you have to bitterly cling to the one resource you really do have and that is hope. but hope really is just fleeting and only exists in youth.

Its also preposterous to suggest that I dont think some are going to make it, but the odds of that happening are closer to winning the lottery. I can guarantee that none of you are going to be making it either. If one of you did defy this, it would only serve to create more despair by encouraging other people to waste their time by pursuing this as something that was a viable use of their time.

Again you cling to your hopes and dreams that you are infact reflecting from others. "So and so made it!! So I can make it!" Yeah except no, you're not going to make it, and if you ever get decent enough to where there aren't people mocking your work life will have passed you by.

[Anonymous No.1628209]

>>1628208
what are you even going on about, what is "making it" for you? getting paid for your art and being able to live with it? this is really not that fucking hard.
Art is also more than just conceptart or anime. There is animation, comics, storyboarding, illustration and much much more.
You are either b8 here hard or you really think the way you do, if that is the case I can only feel pity.

[Anonymous No.1628211]

I may not be good at art, but I excel at crushing people.

[Anonymous No.1628214]

>>1628211
Y-you are just young!! If you are as old and bitter as me you will see the light and then stop trying to get good art such an useless thing as ART! Once you realize this you will do more productive things like fapping to hentai and shitposting on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.1628216]

>>1628209
He thinks that successful artists are internet idols. One look on a disney or pixar credits or any big game or movie can show you just how much of a
big industry the art industry is, stop talking about things that you obviously have no idea about. And those are people that "made it" there are alot more smaller studios and job opportunities around

[Anonymous No.1628217]

Why are these shitposting faggots not being banned?
Seriously, go blog somewhere else.
95 posts and only 9 user made images, fuck off already

[Anonymous No.1628222]

>>1628217
because most of these kids are just hype, none of them have any skill, or proficiency. dreams not substance.

[Anonymous No.1628224]

>>1628208
i said i'm not a beginner and by that i mean i'm pretty far from a beginner.
but hey, what about that faggot magister? do you think he "made it"? or what does that mean to you?
you simply don't belong here. you don't even seem to understand WHY people like, or make art.
>drawing well is like winning the lottery
drawing skill has nothing to do with luck you dumb fuck
>only "making it" makes it worth it
tell that to the majority of all pixiv members
>success
you must have heared this before: if you are in art mainly for the success, you should become a doctor instead.

>>1628211
please, stop deluding yourself.
imagine going to a japanese drawing board and delivering this crap. they would react the exact same way. they would tell you to gtfo and call you a sad and pathetic loser.

and there is a reason the word "loser" exists.
if you are not a loser, who is a loser?
who else, if not a guy who only believes in losing?

[Anonymous No.1628232]

>>1628217
Because nobody reports shitposters blogging.

[Anonymous No.1628233]

>>1628232
>janny purging again
oh well

[Anonymous No.1628234]

>>1628233
>janny
>>>/jp/

[Anonymous No.1628234,1]

you're still patetc

[Anonymous No.1628249]

I guess the janitor purge was kind of a blind sweep...

[Anonymous No.1628282]

>>1628249
Mags? That you?

[Anonymous No.1628283]

>>1628249
Really dig the expression on here.
Might want to reevaluate her right leg, looks a bit awkwardly placed.
Hot pic overall.

[Anonymous No.1628284]

>>1628282
Cancel that i'm retarded and didn't check previous posts.
Glad to see you're still drawing.

[Anonymous No.1628285]

>>1628249
>>1628283
Now that you mentioned it i too think that her right leg looks like it's being pulled down
rather than resting on something, you might want to make it look more free, relaxed.

[Anonymous No.1628297]

>>1628249

mostly a matter of taste the dick would have looked better jerking up rather than down

[Anonymous No.1628299]

>>1628297
You are right about taste, i love dicks looking soft and floppy, also i love dicks with smaller head.

[Anonymous No.1628311]

Trying to get into Kendall College in Grand Rapids MI, think I can get in with shit like this?
(will post moar)

[Anonymous No.1628314]

>>1628311

[Anonymous No.1628315]

>>1628314

[Anonymous No.1628318]

[Anonymous No.1628344]

>>1628311
No, flat out no.

[Anonymous No.1628345]

>>1628311
>>1628314
>>1628315
>>1628318
Is this a joke? It's not very funny. Don't do that.

[Anonymous No.1628358]

>>1628311
>>1628314
>>1628315
No, you most likely will not unless you're attempting to get in some shit like graphic design, then maybe.

You need to draw. On paper, preferably. To get admitted. I was accepted into Pratt and I'm not even that good, but I did have an 1800 SAT score and high GPA. Art schools actually care about that stuff, too, by the way, so don't slack off if you still have time.

[Anonymous No.1628442]

>>1628441
Here's the general proportions I use for bodies:
>head
>1 head down is nipples
>1 head down that is belly button
>1 head down that is bottom of crotch.

[Anonymous No.1628443]

>>1628442
just give the guy a range

2 to 3 head torsos

[Y No.1628486]

I don't know but anime face are harder to draw than realistic faces. It' just don't make sense.

[Anonymous No.1628488]

>>1628486
Manga is just heavy stylization. Stylization is the skill of exaggerating or simplifying realistic forms.

[Anonymous No.1628521]

Today I tried drawing again, and this time I tried implementing this >>1626231 anon's advice by taking off the sides of the circle I start with and rounding off the resultant corner. Is this acceptable construction practice, or is there something else I should be doing when I draw heads?

Top picture was the old attempt at Ibuki and second picture is a different subject of no one in particular. Sorry about the lined paper: I was intending to do a lot of practice for cheap and didn't expect the second to look as okay as it did.

[Anonymous No.1628530]

>>1628521
4chan is 18+

[Anonymous No.1628532]

>>1628521
>>1628521
dude
fuck
come on

I just started drawing, ignoring loomis btw, and proportions are not that hard.

[Anonymous No.1628550]

This was fun to doodle. Some dwarf guy. Feel free to piss in my cornflakes guys.

[Anonymous No.1628553]

>>1628521
Holy fuck.

[Anonymous No.1628560]

fun lil dwarf doodle.

[Anonymous No.1628583]

>>1628530

I didn't let that stop me 6 years ago when i first started browsing this site and i refuse to report anyone for being underage.

[Anonymous No.1628585]

>>1628583
>lying
>fag
what a fag

[Anonymous No.1628586]

>>1628583
?

Anyone stupid enough to say they're actually underage deserves to get banned.

[Anonymous No.1628606]

>>1628521
Is this a joke? Even at a beginner level it doesn't look like you actually tried.

[Anonymous No.1628618]

>>1628583
>i refuse to report anyone for being underage
Good lord you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.1628692]

pls rate me guys.
an older drawing remade.

[Anonymous No.1628700]

>>1628692
am I being baited? Anyway, her skull is fucked up entirely, lrn2planes of face, and if you want to shade w/ a pencil you would benefit from actually looking up how to do that

[Anonymous No.1628702]

>>1628692
>her skull is fucked up
why?

[Anonymous No.1628706]

>>1628702
>why?
Because you drew it that way, dingus.

[Anonymous No.1628707]

>>1628706
but is not a realistic portrait.
:/

[Anonymous No.1628711]

>>1628692
creepy

[Anonymous No.1628742]

>>1628702
You know features, proportions and skull shape change as you age, right? You don't age just be getting an increasingly hairy and wrinkled baby's head.

That's why your pic looks terrifying. It's like one of those kids who are born without hormones so they age but never mature.

[Anonymous No.1628746]

>>1628742
>>1628711
>>1628702
sounds like anime to me

[Anonymous No.1628747]

wip, not sure how I feel about the colors but I will probably paint over or redo them completely

[Anonymous No.1628755]

>>1628692
just be more subtle
a lot more subtle

[Anonymous No.1628768]

[Anonymous No.1628780]

>>1628768
The tail really kills it for me
Ugh... I'm sorry

[Anonymous No.1628782]

>>1628780
agree, i like the girl part, 'cept maybe the arms, but the tail ruins it.

[Anonymous No.1628786]

>>1628530
Winter break for babby ended a week ago. What's your point?

>>1628532
>>1628553
>>1628606
I already know the facial features are messed-up, and I know it would be pointless having you all critique a beginner-level work when the only fix for that would be grinding fundamentals. That's why my original post asked specifically about head-profile construction, and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.1628790]

>>1628786
Neither of those Anons, but

>Facial features are messed-up

It's not just facial features it is the proportion at which you drew the head. Do not focus on one thing, be aware about how everything is in relation to one another.

>grinding fundamentals

grind all you want but if you fail to observe and put some thought into it and blindly "grind" fundamentals you'll still be stuck at square one. As you are constructing a head, ask yourself just why am I putting this guideline here, how does this landmark say the bottom of the nose is in relation to another landmark such as the bottom of the ears, how do I keep my proportions in check?

>it would be pointless having you all critique a beginner-level work

by your logic it would be pointless to even have an artwork and critique board as the majority of /ic/ are at either absolute beginner or beginner stage. I am not trying to be abrasive here.

Just keep at it but try and put more thought in the process, it's not just about grind.

[Anonymous No.1628792]

>>1628780
That's fine, you don't have to apologize for that. Thanks for the feedback.

[Anonymous No.1628808]

>>1628790
Thanks for the help. I'll think about everything you said.

[Anonymous No.1628840]

>>1628747
Maddddddddddooo

[Anonymous No.1628907]

>>1628747

I really like this, but the hair highlights look more like hair holes revealing the scalp.

[Anonymous No.1628910]

>>1628840
mado indeed

>>1628907
upon re examination that is what it looks like, I'll fix it up when I get beyond experimental colors.

in other news, I decided to make the piece bigger. thoughts on the composition?

[Anonymous No.1629041]

any feedback for this? was wondering if the colored lineart is a good or bad idea, never really do it often.

[Anonymous No.1629046]

>>1629041

This smacks of tumblr feminist SJW insanity

[Anonymous No.1629048]

>>1629046
That's neat and all, but you got anything to say about the quality of the art itself? You know, something technical?

[Anonymous No.1629049]

>>1629048
The obvious thing is that her feet are gigantic.
She look like she's about to fall, mind her center of gravity or something.
Proportions on hands, legs, and foot.

Other than she looking like about to fall down, there's nothing I can do about if it's your style. For me it's really hard to say anything technical to a over stylized work. (Maybe because I'm just a beginner).

[Anonymous No.1629050]

>>1629049
So the stance should be more leveled? Would you possibly be able to do a red-line over the piece to give me a rough idea of how to fix this problem in the future?
As for the feet and hands being large that's just how I've begun doing things.

Thank you for the feedback by the way.

[Anonymous No.1629052]

>>1629041
the hands look like they were run over by a steamroller

[Anonymous No.1629053]

>>1629041
On a technical point of view, you image isn't very pleasing to the eyes, way to uncanny and tacky.
As a caricature, it kinda falls short, but I'll give you points because it looks clean.
As a bonus, there are not exactly "rules" for proportions unless you were aiming for realism, but you have to make those proportions to look appealing.

[Anonymous No.1629056]

>>1629053
i agree, the overall effect is ugly

[Anonymous No.1629088]

Hi /ic/ this is my WIP for now, just wanted to know what do you think about it.

[Anonymous No.1629095]

>>1629088
Eyes more to the center. Pay careful attention to that browline and how it relates to the top of the ear for that face.

[Anonymous No.1629097]

I love critiques

[Anonymous No.1629103]

>>1629095
I'll try & move the ear a bit to match the browline... also right eye a bit to the left.

Just want to know what you think of the skin color?

[Anonymous No.1629104]

>>1629103
This is just my opinion but I pay no attention to color as it is but the mere polish; what I am more interested is in construction, proportions, the core at what makes the figure in which you presented today.

[Anonymous No.1629106]

>>1629103
so I've adjust the eyes & the ear placement. this should be correct right?

[Anonymous No.1629108]

>>1629088
It looks like you drew the facial features and drew the head around it afterwards.

[Anonymous No.1629111]

>>1629108
I've fix the face placement, see
>>1629106

[Anonymous No.1629112]

>>1629106
Place her left eye(the right eye as we see) a little bit more to the right.

[Anonymous No.1629113]

>>1629106
It is still out of proportion in relation to the face

[Anonymous No.1629114]

>>1629111
The shape of the face is fucked.

[Anonymous No.1629115]

>>1629112
Got it...

>>1629114
Yes.. I do have a bit of a problem with face shape&symmetry... thanks for the critic.

[Anonymous No.1629116]

>>1629106
The face shape doesn't match the way the features are placed.

Nose feels too long, the mouth looks like it's turned too far left (that or the face shape is still not in the right perspective). She's also cross-eyed and her eyes are on differnet levels. Now the ear is too small (it should go from the eye to the bottom of the nose).

[Anonymous No.1629119]

>>1629116
After all this time I've been doing faces wrong!
thank you for showing me the way.

[Anonymous No.1629123]

>>1629119
Should've read loomis first.

[Anonymous No.1629136]

>>1629123
your in the wrong thread

[Anonymous No.1629137]

>>1629119
Yeah that looks way better.

[Anonymous No.1629140]

>>1629119
Better. Some more notes:
> Nose too flat (or not, depends what you want)
> Mouth still in wrong direction (but that comes with practice... So get practicing)
> Still crosseyed
Now that the head's kind of spun, you may want to fix the hair on the right side of her head (cause I doubt it sticks out that far... Or maybe it does)

[Anonymous No.1629144]

>>1629140
Hi again, here's the update after the fix..
The mouth seems funny tho..

[Anonymous No.1629147]

>>1629144
I meant hair on /her/ right side, not ours (now you've got it all coming to a very strange sharp point). If I remember, Makoto's got some pretty whispy sharp hair that flips up. Don't mind too much about the mouth for now, then. Just keep going, finish, and do some more practicing after. Good luck anon.

Also, if your hands hurt, you should probably take a break (and you'll look at it differently after). I like how you're willing to erase and redo though.

[Anonymous No.1629152]

>>1629147
Thank you all very much, I'll rest for a while & complete this WIP of mine later. practice practice!

[Anonymous No.1629279]

how get good at hatching? famous artists in they sketcbooks can make only few strokes on a figure and it already looks cool and awesome and pop out. oh well.

[Anonymous No.1629284]

>Glenn Vilppu
i downloaded all from thepiratebay
>17gb
but im deaf and can't hear him, so are there subtitles for those videos?

[VaN !!8c6ZxbEdYxG No.1629296]

How do you go about doing clean lineart?

[Anonymous No.1629297]

>>1629296
opacity 20% new layer + trace,

[Anonymous No.1629300]

Nyanta-san

[Anonymous No.1629312]

>>1629296
What is that arch over the nose and why is it there?

[Anonymous No.1629314]

>>1629296
Kind of an odd question. Your first option is to draw over it "cleanly" on a new layers. Your second option is to use vectors. SAI and Manga Studio both have vector line art tools, though Manga Studio's implementation is a bit better. Of course you can combine both things. Sometimes if you have very complex continuous lines that need to look perfect, vector is a huge time saver. Photoshop doesn't have any good vector tools for lineart.

[Anonymous No.1629317]

>>1629284
anyone?
i can't find anything

[Anonymous No.1629360]

realized the fatal flaw halfway through the image but decided to finish it anyway.

oh well...

[Anonymous No.1629367]

>>1629360

Don't you want to at least give her two butt cheeks?

[Anonymous No.1629376]

>>1629360
Take vital notes and move on. It's great work either way.

Halfway through might be pushing it though. If I were in your shoes I would surely punish myself in the future (as soon as my next drawing) to make sure I do not ignore a flaw that early in my painting. Especially if it's a flaw I noticed on my own.

[Anonymous No.1629380]

>>1629360
Its shit. Did you learn anything this time?

[Anonymous No.1629383]

>>1629367
unibutt is the next best thing

[Anonymous No.1629389]

>>1629360
Way to polish a turd

[Anonymous No.1629390]

>>1629314
I sometimes use Illustrator. The pen tool is extremely easy to use, and you can add thickness to the line

[Anonymous No.1629394]

>>1629317
there's none, get his book instead and just watch him draw as supplement.

[VaN !!8c6ZxbEdYxG No.1629434]

>>1629312
just a construction line I never erased,

thanks all.

[Anonymous No.1629469]

How's the general placement of things?

[Anonymous No.1629474]

>>1629296
meth

[Anonymous No.1629533]

no feedback from draw thread, what do you guys think? im most concerned with the pose and the chest-arm connection

[Anonymous No.1629535]

>>1629279
practice.

[Anonymous No.1629546]

>>1629360
Don't hide the hand

[Anonymous No.1629547]

Hi /ic/ I'm trying to draw character pose from a real photo reference, just wanted to know your assessment on the posture & anatomy of this drawing...

[Anonymous No.1629548]

>>1628249
Damn I thought you died or something. Glad to see you're still around.

[Anonymous No.1629549]

>>1629547
include reference

[Anonymous No.1629550]

>>1629469
Looks good to me, I'd like to see this finished. Though you should probably finish your sketch before you post it, neither of them have feet.

[Anonymous No.1629554]

>>1629549
here's the reference image, when tracing i see that her head came out smaller than the body vs head ratio that I've adjusted the sketch head to be bigger....

[Anonymous No.1629555]

>>1629547
Something looks wrong with the face and raised arm but I can't quite put my finger on it

Hair looks like it's floating

[Anonymous No.1629556]

>>1629555
raised arm seems short & jaw line looks big for a women was it?

[Anonymous No.1629557]

>>1629389
Polishing a turd? someone sounds like a jelly faggot.

[Anonymous No.1629625]

Hey /ic/ I'm back. I'm bad with coloring, I knew... so what do you think? I make her hair shorter since I don't want to mess up the head anymore.

[Anonymous No.1629632]

>>1629557
Not that anon but I kind of agree. The rendering is alright but the actual figure and structure is poor. Or at least, it doesn't match up to the rendering and it's obvious.

[VaN !!8c6ZxbEdYxG No.1629663]

>>1629533
perspective, we should be seeing the character from a higher angle according to your eye line

[Xenomic No.1629673]

So going back to the basics I guess, trying to do heads again from scratch. I know that they need to be more...eggshaped? But looking at this, this doesn't feel right even doing it this way...I don't know what it is, but just...ugh! >_<

No, I haven't done any exercises from the Loomis books. I did look through the "Fun with a Pencil" and was just confused. I honestly don't know how much these will help with the style I'm aiming for (then again, I looked up to page 31 in that book so...). @_@;

[Anonymous No.1629675]

>>1629673
welp, if your looking for shortcuts that don't work and habits that will cripple your development your in the right thread newfriend!

[Anonymous No.1629685]

>>1629673
>No, I haven't done any exercises from the Loomis books.

What are you waiting for?

>I did look through the "Fun with a Pencil" and was just confused. I honestly don't know how much these will help with the style I'm aiming for

Regardless of style it will teach you the very foundation of what you're trying to achieve. Stop worrying about muh style, I would worry more about what makes up a head.

>B-but it's not my style! I don't want to draw realistic heads!

Nobody said you absolutely have to draw realistic heads, however you must learn what makes up one as, again it is at the very core and foundation regardless of style. This is funny because I was you a while back and everyone was telling me learn what makes up a head first and now I understand what they meant by that.

On a side note, if you won't even bother taking the advice we're trying to give you by doing Loomis then this may be the last critique you may receive. At this point in time you're drawing flat symbols with no forms, don't just look at Fun with a Pencil actually participate in the exercises and discover the divided ball and plane method.

[Anonymous No.1629686]

>>1629673
>this doesn't feel right even
That's because you
>haven't done any exercises from the Loomis books

/ic/ is a place focused on fundamentals and core basics. There is emphasis on life drawing and learning anatomy on this board. If you're not jiving well with this approach, this may not be the right environment for you to learn. Tumblr and dA tend to focus more on simplified learning that'll quickly help you achieve the anime style (through tutorials and infographics).

[Xenomic No.1629714]

Well...I gave the first exercise from "Fun with a Pencil" a try, only for a little bit. I...honestly don't like this exercise at all. I THINK I understand now what it's meant for but...I still don't like this method. Maybe later exercises will actually be more to my liking? Or maybe I'm just not creative at all? Or am grossly misunderstanding this entire thing? I don't know! @_@;

[Anonymous No.1629717]

>>1629547
Teal should redline this, I wanna see him attempt this pose.

[Anonymous No.1629729]

>>1629717
Here's a thought, why won't you attempt this here pose?

[Anonymous No.1629730]

>>1629714
http://www.proko.com/how-to-draw-videos/
Scroll to the bottom and there's some good videos on facial construction, that'll be more helpful.

[Anonymous No.1629733]

>>1629547
>>1629554
Neck and arm (in front of face. ) too short. Face is flat and well, just isn't as defined. It looks like you just stopped paying attention when doing the hair as it doesn't follow the ref at all.

[Anonymous No.1629739]

>>1629729
Why? What would be the point?

[Xenomic No.1629752]

>>1629730
Ah! That is much easier to understand and learn for me. Thank you for that! I'll be sure to watch the video a few times over and use this as my practice exercise.

I don't know what it is about that book, but I don't think I was getting it. Maybe because the way things were handled weren't in a way that I myself wasn't learning. Everyone learns differently I guess...though would this be considered taking a shortcut or not? Eh...if I can at least learn properly from it, shouldn't be TOO bad, right??

[Anonymous No.1629773]

>>1629733
Well let's just ignore the hair for a while (I will change it later) Here's the line art...

[Anonymous No.1629776]

>>1629773
tiny arms and a giant head with a poorly done face

[Anonymous No.1629781]

Can anyone here who reads Japanese tell me what the guy is trying to demonstrate here? I tried to decipher what he was saying just through the picture, but I'm really not sure.

[Anonymous No.1629784]

>>1629781
Where the lines are, the skin goes inwards. Like constricting a tube, it creates the muscles automatically that way

[Anonymous No.1629786]

>>1629773
>>1629776
On what planet is that a giant head? That shit's tiny compared to the torso.

OP, that cranium is mad underdeveloped. Bitch looks like one of those birth defect stillborn shits.

[Anonymous No.1629788]

>>1629773
I would focus on what stands out in the image, for instance the elbow and how it align with her ear. and by the look of your drawing it seems the head in not proportionally to the body as you further draw down which make it seem skewed or maybe that is what you are aiming at? idk but this is my way or how I would go about this.

[Anonymous No.1629803]

from some anime figurine

[Anonymous No.1629804]

>>1629714

Need to work on confident ellipses. It looks like you are very slowly trying to draw an ellipse and its coming out crooked and jittery. Use your whole arm and watch some videos of some pros who do quick and confident lines. Perhaps this could help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

Lasty, the emoticons you use in your posts make you look like you are still in highschool.

[Anonymous No.1629817]

>>1629773
>>1629788
Not how teak would done it...

[Anonymous No.1629822]

>>1629663
Does this angle look better? (alternate sketch is dark blue)

[Xenomic No.1629826]

>>1629804
I do draw slowly because drawing too fast just makes it look terrible. For some reason, I can't seem to get perfect circles no matter how hard I try. It's kinda awkward to say the least as that should be the easiest thing to do. Though with the ellipses, I'm just trying to go for a circle in general as per the first exercise in Fun with a Pencil.

Eh, the emoticons is something that's kinda stuck around for me. Might be due to the people I talk with but meh.

[Anonymous No.1629837]

[Anonymous No.1629849]

>>1629803
Left girls' right hand fingers seem clunky. Now finish it up so I can get fapping.

[Anonymous No.1629851]

>>1629837
really liking your style and this picture but her forehead is abnormally large

[Anonymous No.1629897]

Is this a good painting style? I don't do much of it so I'd like some tips if possible.

[Anonymous No.1629928]

>>1628039
For the record, I really like this drawing and I've had it open in a tab for three days now.

[Anonymous No.1629995]

>>1629897
I really like it anon, it's soft and pleasant.

[Anonymous No.1630011]

>>1629837
Why are you hiding Alessa?

[Anonymous No.1630249]

Hello again, /ic/; some criticism on this WIP would be greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1630254]

>>1629837
don't you want to come out and play?

[Anonymous No.1630255]

>>1630249
your linework is really pleasant

[Anonymous No.1630258]

>>1630249
this is god tier! blog now! post it faggit!

[Anonymous No.1630260]

>>1630249
remove the back to charachters they are distracting and don't add to the story.

or move them further back and add an environment.

[Anonymous No.1630290]

>>1630254
>>1630011
what are you talking about

[Anonymous No.1630304]

>>1630255
Thank you kindly. SAI's water brushes are really soft, which is why I like using 'em for linework.
>>1630258
Unfortunately, I don't actually have a blog or website for my own stuff. The closest thing I had was a dA account, and I left that a long time ago. I might think about starting a website though, so thank you.
>>1630260
I was thinking the same thing; the linework does get somewhat confusing between the characters. Then again, the story behind the two back characters was that the girl lost a bet or something, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.1630306]

>>1630304
maybe you can add some money in his hand or something than to help with the story.

[Anonymous No.1630314]

>>1630306
Sounds like a plan. Thanks for the feedback!

[Anonymous No.1630317]

>>1630304

That's all well and good but how the shit do you color under lineart made with soft opacity brushes like that

[Anonymous No.1630320]

>>1630317
Probably by just painting over the whole thing? It's not rocket surgery.

[Anonymous No.1630325]

>>1630249
That shit is fucking tight, yo.
Really nice line work.

I don't say this often, but I wish you had a blog or something so I could see more of your shit.
The drawing has a nice vibe about it, I guess it's almost cute in a way.

[Anonymous No.1630327]

>>1630317
It's a tad tricky, but it ends up looking alright. Pic related; it's a little concept sketch I did a while back.

[Anonymous No.1630353]

>>1630325
Hey, thanks! I'm glad you like my stuff. I'm still working on improving my knowledge of gesture and fundamentals, but I feel like I'm getting there. As for a blog, I've been wanting to make one for a while now, the only problem being my crappy work ethic. I begin a lot of potential projects, but I never seem to finish anything. I'm definitely thinking of starting one soon, though; any suggestions for a place? i.e. tumblr, blogspot, etc.

[Anonymous No.1630405]

>>1630327
Sorta reminds me of Ian McConville

[Xenomic No.1630424]

Honestly, I think this is going to work out a LOT better for me than reading Loomis' books (no offense to Loomis or anyone that uses his works. I just don't think reading books is the way I can handle things. Seeing things in motion is easier on me. ^^;; ). In any case, my lines are a bit shaky, but that's due to A) My hands are pretty shaky as it is and B) I draw relatively slowly. But overall, this isn't a bad first attempt at making a base head I think!

[Anonymous No.1630431]

>>1630249
>>1630327
I swear I've seen your art somewhere else before and you definitely had a blog then.

[Anonymous No.1630477]

>>1630424
lol... that is loomis... just not the fun with pencil you were doing before. i fucking hate fun with pencil... everyone says start there. somehow those 1940s cartoon faces agitate me. and phrases like howdy folks. *cringe. I wish there was a more updated kind of loomis imagination drawing for begginers resource.

[Xenomic No.1630489]

>>1630477
Er...right. He did say in the video it's a simplified and easier version of "How to Draw Heads & Hands" now that I rewatched it. My bad...

Still, I stand by that watching things in motion is easier for me than reading bout it! And yeah, Fun with Pencil kinda turned me off with those first few exercises as they weren't helping me at all I think, and instead just made things worse for me. @_@:;

I'm going to assume that the other books he has are a lot more...easier to understand? Maybe? I dunno...I'll have to look into them later.

[Anonymous No.1630512]

It's been a while since i last tried to draw something for real
I wanted to know what do you think about the anatomy/perspective

[Anonymous No.1630530]

>>1630424
proko is good. try hampton and vilppu too. edwards or dobson might be good for you at the point you're at.

[Anonymous No.1630535]

>>1630477
>lol
for the love of kamisama, go korosu yourself
kisama

[Anonymous No.1630543]

>>1630535
have you ever tried not being a snide little cunt? i swear this ic is almost useless because of all the snide petty cunts that reside here.

[Anonymous No.1630545]

>>1630543
Commit sudoku with those big boy words, nigga

[Anonymous No.1630549]

>>1630545
go fap to your loli futa porn weaboo faggot.

[Anonymous No.1630551]

>>1630543
>>1630549
>my little newfriend can't be this autistic

>>1630512
Everything above the chin could be a smidge lower, but the rest looks fine for the most part.

[Anonymous No.1630556]

>>1630545
I'm sure you're just being a silly goose, but in case you're an idiot, seppuku is the word you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.1630559]

>>1630556
That was clearly intentional.
>>1630543
So edgy Im bleeding!

[Anonymous No.1630569]

[Anonymous No.1630581]

>>1628486
>anime face are harder to draw than realistic faces. It' just don't make sense.
Are you sure you meant to type this?

[Anonymous No.1630583]

>>1630581
Did he stutter?

[Anonymous No.1630587]

>>1630583
No. but I think he may have slipped through a dimensional tear, I think he may be from bizarro earth where Manga is an appreciated form of high art, taught in prestigious academies and studios all around the world, while fine art and still lifes are mostly loved by lonely men in their 20s to 30s

[Anonymous No.1630592]

>>1630587
Well you can't expect much from weebs LOL!

[Anonymous No.1630595]

>>1629557
But the legs don't even look like they are a part of her, her top and bottom halves are like two totally different drawings

[Anonymous No.1630597]

>>1628702
The neck too, whats the thing sticking out in the middle? Does she have an Adam's apple?

[Anonymous No.1630627]

>>1630587
I think what he means is that real face has more dimensions., change in forms, etc, so it's easier to determine the direction of the face, while anime face is pretty much flat and formless, therefore making it hard to give any depth to it

[Anonymous No.1630662]

used to draw here and there and kinda want to get back but all my settings have washed away, give some good brush settings for PS and Sai

also is mikuperson still here? I wanna see that improvement from the time I left

[Anonymous No.1630663]

>>1630662
mikufag died, got hit by a speeding miku ; -;

[Anonymous No.1630665]

>>1630663
oh darn, what a shame.

I still remember those cold, soulless eyes mikufag always drew on miku

[Anonymous No.1630669]

>>1627758
what about going trough the sticky m8?

[Anonymous No.1630672]

I attempted to draw a lamia recently and here's what I have so far. Aside from the arms and hands any other advice you guys could give me? Sorry for the poor quality pic, didn't have access to a scanner at the time and had to use a camera.

[Anonymous No.1630685]

>>1630672
Nice iphone
I know where you live ;)

[Anonymous No.1630706]

Feeling very uneasy about the jacket. Also I messed up the light?

[VaN !!8c6ZxbEdYxG No.1630709]

just got done streaming, here's sketch that came out okay

[Anonymous No.1630735]

>>1629803
Anatomy and proportions ain't great but I love your line quality.

[Anonymous No.1630739]

>>1630735
you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.1630741]

>>1630739
you just described all of /ic/, congratufuckinglation.

[Anonymous No.1630811]

>>1630556
no, sudoku.

[Anonymous No.1630812]

>>1630662
>I wanna see that improvement from the time I left

there hasn't been any. he still is trying to grasp construction, and still putting mikuheads on various studies that he does all in lineart.

[Anonymous No.1630838]

>>1630812
i think the last one actually has some aesthetic to it. of course it's from the reference, but still.

[Anonymous No.1630841]

>>1630543
Welcome to /ic/, I see you may be having a hard time fitting in.
If you're worried about your ego getting hurt at all, its probably best that you just go to reddit instead or something, otherwise you're just going to end up in a stupid argument over the internet over nothing important to anyone

[Anonymous No.1630861]

>>1630353
DeviantArt and Tumblr is what all the cool kids use.

[Anonymous No.1630871]

>>1630811
>two 2's in one of the lines
shit pic, read the sticky, are you underage etc

[Anonymous No.1630877]

>>1630665

>>1629690

[Anonymous No.1630908]

>>1630739
educate me then faggot

[Anonymous No.1630915]

>>1630739
he means the line quality sucks as well

[Anonymous No.1630925]

>>1630841
You mean like arguing about ego, which in no way whatsoever affects your drawing ability?

[Anonymous No.1630926]

>>1630925
Sure, if you felt like arguing with someone about that, be my guest

[Anonymous No.1630927]

>>1630925
>ego doesn't affect drawing ability
your stupidity is legendary, even here.

[Anonymous No.1630950]

>>1630925
Ego and confidence has a big impact on your ability to improve and draw.

[Anonymous No.1630952]

>>1630927
It's not my fault you can't separate ego from doing a simple task at hand. When you get down to it, one has nothing to do with the other. Having an inflated ego or a weak one doesn't change a thing, drawing is just a manual task. What does affect drawing however is having a weak mind, like believing ego is correlated with drawing skills. It's not the worlds fault you have such a bitchy ass way of looking at things.

[Anonymous No.1630954]

>>1630952
>drawing is just a manual task.
Maybe if you're a shitty architect

>It's not the worlds fault you have such a bitchy ass way of looking at things.
You seem to be projecting anon

[Anonymous No.1630962]

Leaving this here so you can chew on something instead of arguing over trivial matters.

[Anonymous No.1630964]

>>1630962
you construct way too much. try to draw loose and freely for once.

[Anonymous No.1630966]

>>1630950
No it doesn't. You don't go to some Tony Robbins seminar to get better at drawing. This whole shtick about confidence is just a ploy to relieve your frustration and jealously onto some one else. It's really just anons not being able to discern thier conjecturing from thier emotions. Has nothing to do with 'ego'.

[Anonymous No.1630968]

>>1630962
a noble sacrifice indeed

[Anonymous No.1630969]

>>1630966
If I thought I was an awesome artist I wouldn't give 2 shits about trying to improve, luckily /ic/ taught me the true way of the artist.

[Anonymous No.1630972]

>>1630950

Breaking down egos is the one thing all anons can do. It doesn't take much, and it isn't very valuable. Just as artists should aspire to something higher, so too should the critics.

Be honest. Do you think all the wisecracks on these boards were done for the artist's benefit, or the poster's own ego?

[Anonymous No.1630975]

>>1630972
This < you are probabbly right im guilty of it myslelf. when it happens to me "always" i just absorb it but it def fucks up my confidence. though i still think ic is best for critiques because they don't pussy foot around what they see. like on other sites.

i just have to sort around what they said and remove all the angst and self hatered and extract a good crit.

>Wow faggot that sucks ass neck is broken colors are over saturated

Becomes.

>You may want to double check that neck it seems broken, also your colors are saturated tone them down.

taking advice any other way from this site and you are doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.1630976]

>>1630972
(not the anon you replied to)

>Do you think all the wisecracks on these boards were done for the artist's benefit, or the poster's own ego?
eh, in my case it's definitely advice, even if i'm rude.
even if i say something along the lines of "jesus christ what the FUCK is this shit?", i'm not doing it for my ego.

stop with the victim mentality.
>boohooo everyone hates on my (shitty) art to make themselves feel better ;_:
no, your art is probably just too pathetic to look at. anons tend to just tell you straight up what they think of it.

[Anonymous No.1630980]

>>1630976

I didn't say such comments had no value, just very little. And the need to be aggressive, rude, alpha, and make wisecracks, speaks to a need to validate ego.

If I say your level of critique is rather useless, and you immediately attack me personally as "playing the victim card," isn't that a sign of an arrogance/ego issue? Hold yourself to the same standards to which you hold others.

[Anonymous No.1630981]

>>1630969
You obviously don't understand much about practing art, and have lot more growing up to do. You let others dictacte your thoughts about yourself? Interesting...

[Anonymous No.1630983]

>>1630981
What the shit, I just said I was an overconfident ass when I started and after I lurked /ic/ I realized that you should always strive to improve no matter what.
Stop trying to sound like a cheeky cunt m8.

[Anonymous No.1630988]

>>1630972
What evidence is their that one effects the other? So you noticed a correlation. So what? Where's the proof? Are we going on the abundance personal testimony here? That would make this whole thing dependent on circle jerk mentality (hive mind). But that would be completely counter intuitive if ego and confidence really were related to drawing skills. You'd just be replacing your own ego with some else's. So where's the proof?

[Anonymous No.1630994]

>>1630983
Maybe if you didn't have such a weak ego, you wouldn't think everyone was a cheeky cunt, 88. Just food for thought.

[Anonymous No.1630996]

>>1630994
removing the ego is best thing anyone can do for themselves as hard as it may be it's the #1 thing

[Anonymous No.1630997]

>>1630994
Maybe if you weren't a cheeky cunt, you wouldn't go around telling people they had a lot to grow up, just food for thought right m8.

[Anonymous No.1630999]

>>1630954
I rather take perspective tips from an architect than the humblest of anons.

What am I projecting?

[Anonymous No.1631000]

>>1630981
>>1630966
And here we see one of the internet's more boisterous and lovably ignorant denizens, The "underaged sesquipedalian pseudo intellectual". Often found stringing together larger than average words with no provocation or purpose, other than to further self inflate their ego and bathe in a feeling of false superiority. Generally not very social creatures, the Underaged pseudo intellectual takes great pride in his ability to come off as an unpleasant abrasive cunt, and will no doubt suffer from self esteem issues later in life after his super ego develops.

Unfortunately, the underaged pseudo intellectual doesn't often last long on 4chan. Many simply make fools of themselves while they try to make everyone fear their self absorption, or, they give up and leave, opting to search for a more accepting and less critical environment or they will try to alter their personality in such a way that they gain the approval of the anonymous crowd of 4chan, sadly, they never do.

[Anonymous No.1631002]

>>1630980
>I didn't say such comments had no value, just very little. And the need to be aggressive, rude, alpha, and make wisecracks, speaks to a need to validate ego.
Son, I don't think you get how 4chan works.
Its one of the last online communities that hasn't devolved into a hugbox. I happen to like when 4chan calls me out on my bullshit. They are quick, to the point, and if you can remove your own feelings or your ego from the situation, then most of the valueless, aggressive "alpha" wisecracks actually have everything you need to hear, you just aren't listening hard enough.


Are you sure that Reddit isn't more your style man? They are all about being nice to each other and not hurting each others feelings over there.
You would be able to have all of the pedantic arguments and circle jerk "art critique" sessions you want over there, without ever having to worry about someone telling you the truth

[Anonymous No.1631005]

>>1630983
Nah, you basically said you like being insulted and put into place cause that makes you draw better, and overall gives you good feels. You're probably into some s&m fetish or something. Is that why you come to these threads?

[Anonymous No.1631006]

>>1631005
>you basically said you like being insulted and put into place cause that makes you draw better, and overall gives you good feels.
I'd like you to tell me exactly where I said this.

[Anonymous No.1631007]

>>1630952
>Having an inflated ego or a weak one doesn't change a thing
>What does affect drawing however is having a weak mind
> It's not the worlds fault you have such a bitchy ass way of looking at things.

Gee, I can't possibly imagine why you would think being a giant cunt with an over inflated ego for absolutely no reason other than to be unpleasant and deflect any criticism from anyone that you deem "intellectually inferior".
You reek of teenaged undeveloped super ego, you also reek of pseudo intellectual, armchair psychologist teen.

Don't worry anon, by the time you hit your early 20's your head should start to slide out passed your sphincter on its own

[Anonymous No.1631009]

>>1631006
You didn't say that, the other guy is just a retard.

He won't stop calling the board ic either. Its as if he really has no intentions of hiding the fact that its more than likely his first day on 4chan, that he didn't lurk at all, and is in here telling us how we should act on 4chan because he thinks we're doing it all wrong.

The newfags get bolder and bolder every year

[Anonymous No.1631010]

>>1630988
>But that would be completely counter intuitive if ego and confidence really were related to drawing skills.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, what proof you want, or whom you are even arguing with, since I never made that comment.

I merely observed that the kind of curt, rude, pointless and banal comments which some on /ic/ like to defend as necessary to break down egos, reflect the egos and defensiveness of posters themselves. For /ic/ to think it a high responsibility, or even take pride in this under the guise of "honesty," without seeing how simple and common a tact this is, is tortuous logic.

[Anonymous No.1631016]

>>1631002

The last thing I would advocate is for this place to be a hugbox. I am merely saying that the kind of post you seem to champion has little value. A good artist, or a good critic, can do much better than an reaction image and some saucy language. As much as you should aspire to be a good artist, you should also aspire to be a good critic. It seems the standard for what is a helpful post is set awfully low.

Of course, if you take pleasure in being a hardass, I'm not here to take that away from you. Revel in it by all means. But don't elevate it to something noble, either.

[Anonymous No.1631018]

>>1631010
You know what else it helps with?
It weeds out all of the attention seeking teens with no ambition or drive to improve. It helps keep all of the people that only draw so that they can hear people say "wow, that looks awesome. Where did you get the idea to draw a dog in clothes like that?"

If we turned into a hugbox like you seem to want, then we would be full of shite artists constantly posting absolute garbage, with zero interest in actually taking the critiques. "holy shit, did you just start drawing today? Aboslutely nothing about your shading or anatomy are even close to being even passable as a doodle" hits a little harder than " its not too bad man, pretty good, but you might want to pay a little more attention to where the shoulders connect, and where the eyes should be in relation to other parts of the skull"

9 times out of 10, people will remember the abrasive comment, and they will remember that they were called out for being shit at shading. If they have any drive to improve, then they will work on their shading so that next time /ic/ rips them apart, they don't have to mention shading, and instead move on to the next most noticeable issue.

Besides, I thought it was common knowledge that as soon as you become happy with your work and stop telling yourself that you're complete shit and need to improve, your progress suffers or just stops all together.

Just look at Andrew Dobson, he is a great byproduct on an internet hugbox. Do you want to be the guy responsible for creating the next Andrew Dobson?

[Anonymous No.1631024]

>>1631016
>Revel in it by all means. But don't elevate it to something noble, either.
I'd be inclined to agree with you, if it wasn't for the fact that /ic/ being ridiculously honest and harsh with me over the last 6 years is what has lead to nearly all of my major improvements. They also introduced me to Vilppu quite a few years ago which has been a tremendous help.

It may not seem like much help to anyone at first, but the overall atmosphere and attitude at /ic/ does serve a purpose. And it has become this way after 10 or so years.

Either way, its not like either of us will change /ic/ just by posting about it like this, but I wouldn't want to change it even if I could.

If anything I miss back when /ic/ was even more judgmental. I remember back when I first started browsing, "anime style" drawings were pretty much banished forever to /i/, /ic/ just would not put up with that shit unless you showed a clear understanding of the fundamentals. If you didn't show understanding of the fundamentals, then /ic/ would just continue to tell you that your shit sucks, and you need to review the basics. They used to be very quick to redline EVERYTHING as well, so it didn't take very long for someone to visually show you how bad you really did suck dick at anatomy.

[Anonymous No.1631027]

>>1631018

A precise, measured critique backed by knowledge cuts much deeper than any curt insult, as it leaves no lace for an artist to mount a defense. Why should you think this a hugbox?

I've nothing against cruelty, or abrasiveness. But some of you seem to hold it in all too high regard. One might even say, in a weird way, you are over-valuating your own contribution. If that does not speak of ego, I don't know what does.

[Anonymous No.1631028]

>posts get longer and longer
why does this happen every time?
get back to drawing, faggots

[Anonymous No.1631031]

>>1631027
>you are over-valuating your own contribution
Actually, its quite the opposite.
We can afford to make quick, harsh, decisive, although not all encompassing judgments because there are enough people on /ic/, that by the end of the thread, all of the posts together will have in almost all cases, covered any issues that the artist would need to work on.

An artist should never mount a defense against criticism, and if that is something that someone has problems with when faced with unpleasant reviews, then they will most certainly need to work that out before posting on /ic/

Deviant art is where the people that can't handle hearing nasty things about their work go.

But seriously, a lot of what you're seeing is just the 4chan culture as well. Its just how this website works, I think it just comes with being anonymous, it makes everyone act like a cunt once in a while.


basically though, the unpleasant cunty attitude of most people on /ic/ works as a sort of filter, it keeps the right people on /ic/, and the wrong people out

[Anonymous No.1631037]

>>1631024

Please, don't confuse me with any other poster, or think I'm trying to change anything, or that I'm trying to diminish the value in mockery. But this discussion started as one about egos. And it seems to me that many posters would prefer the level of discourse be held to a level that even a small child could participate and feel important. Or perhaps, for a bad artist to participate in the bashing and feel good.

It is all well and good, I guess, this somewhat twisted hypocrisy. But it's quite low level.

[Anonymous No.1631041]

>>1631037
>It is all well and good, I guess, this somewhat twisted hypocrisy. But it's quite low level.
It only seems that way on the surface, and yeah, some of the posters on 4chan are just cunts for the sake of being cunty. But most of the time, all of the information presented in the abrasive comments is very useful, and not only do you sort of just become immune to insults on 4chan after a while (which normally isn't a problem if you follow the sites rules and lurk moar before you make your first posts. if more people did that then they wouldn't get ripped on for being obviously new, which is a big crime here. We hate new people browsing the site because it has only dragged the post quality through the mud, especially since that Scientology bullshit that /b/ pulled around 2006-2007.
If it wasn't for /b/ being fucking retarded, 4chan might have actually managed to be the secret club house factory of everything on the internet that people laugh at for a little while longer.

But instead /b/ made 4chan a household name, and now damn near zero OC is ever made, and its never quality.

[Anonymous No.1631045]

>>1631031
>But seriously, a lot of what you're seeing is just the 4chan culture as well.

Believe me, I understand. I'm not the poster/artist who set this discussion into motion. And I don't care to change the board.

But one has to be inflicting blindness on himself, if he does not see the hypocrisy of advocating excellence and humility in pursuit of art, and discarding ego, while lowering the standards for himself in regard to critique and evaluation. And I certainly hope you don't think it a valid excuse to lower your own standards.

Bad critiques and shallow insults are just that. It demands so little that it is within the capacity of children, beginners, and simpletons. There is no need to glorify it.

[Anonymous No.1631060]

>>1631031
>works as a sort of filter
yea it keeps cunty people in and makes the place a shitty sty of cunts. that isn't something to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.1631064]

>>1631060
>that isn't something to be proud of.
Not when you're so new to 4chan that you don't understand the communities meta.

I say this not as an insult, but as a legitimate suggestion. Reddit might meet your needs better than 4chan.

[Anonymous No.1631067]

See >>1630969
It's not explicit, but given how /ic/ is...

[Anonymous No.1631071]

Can you at the very least post your wip(s) when replying?

[Anonymous No.1631115]

these threads are shit

pls go back to /i/ or /a/

[Anonymous No.1631126]

>>1627782
>1627758

Whatever is going on in this shit is pretty god damn wierd

[Anonymous No.1631128]

>>1629097
right arm is fucked feet are wierd and the left leg does not look foreshortened at all, i don't seen any sense of volume. Also this looks like some homestuck bullshit

[Anonymous No.1631141]

>>1631115
It contains the cancer, let them rot here in developmental hell.

[Xenomic No.1631159]

Alright, so here's what I'm doing. I redid last night's Loomis head practice today (though gods is it hard to make a circle for whatever reason). I'll be using this here as my base for the face (probably still going to try to aim for the feminine faces that I've been doing, based around Nowi, Nah, or Tiki...I COULD probably try other characters or my own but eh...for now, using bases to at least get the right shapes and places and whatnot). Don't mind that square chin, I'll be rounding it out so it's more feminine at least.

Anything else that I should be aware of here? Do the lines all look like they're supposed to be? Also, I apologize if it's hard to see any lines. My scanner for whatever reason isn't fully 100% scanning the thing and makes things lighter (or maybe all scanners do that...)

[Anonymous No.1631161]

>>1631159
It's still flat, what I want you to do is find a ball. A real ball. Get a marker, and draw a line over it; after you draw the line observe how it goes around the ball. You want to do the same thing on paper, this will describe the form as the line is giving information about how the surface is shaped. After a while you will begin to think in three dimensional forms be patient with yourself this will take time, just keep at it.

[Anonymous No.1631168]

>>1629673
>>1629714
>>1630424
>>1631159
The way you're phrasing your posts makes it sound like these are the only drawings you've done these last few days, that isn't the case though right?... right?

[Xenomic No.1631171]

>>1631161
Hrm...so the lines from the axis aren't curving around correctly then I take it? I feel like the previous one I did of this exercise I had the lines go around at least semi-decently. But looking at this, it doesn't feel like the lines are curving as they should after all...also, not sure on how to handle that jaw at all. I know it's a box-shape, which I'm trying to do, but getting it to curve up to meet the head is...something else.

>>1631168
I've done very little outside of those, but I have done more than just those. I tend to only draw one or two things a day though, since I've got other projects to deal with as well.

[Anonymous No.1631181]

I'm not sure if I should put this in the Drawthread or here, but I think it fits better here since it's heavily stylized.

Could I get some critique?

[Anonymous No.1631185]

>>1631181
I actually like it a lot. Thumbnail looks great.

I'm not a fan of the figure though. Feels very small and insignificant to the composition, yet attracts too much attention by being a figure. I also don't like his odd and unnatural posture.

Unless the figure is necessary, I'd get rid of it entirely, and incorporate other natural elements for scale (shrubs, tree, birds, etc).

[Anonymous No.1631210]

>>1631115
This. Getting real tired of seeing weeaboo shit in this board.

[Anonymous No.1631216]

>>1631181
I like it, but something about this area kinda irks me composition-wise. Maybe it the lower bit was separated from the upper bit it would be better. I also agree with what the other guy said about the figure.

[Anonymous No.1631219]

>>1631216
*maybe if

[Anonymous No.1631223]

>>1631010
whoops, >>1630988 was meant for >>1630969. my apologies

[Anonymous No.1631234]

>>1631007
It's extremely simple, even a primary student could understand the concept:

If you don't know how to think critically then chances are you don't know how to critically check yourself. Your self-esteem shouldn't be factor. If it is, then that should tell you there is something wrong.

[Anonymous No.1631236]

>>1631181
Is this finished?
I don't know about the others but I found my eyes drifting to the bottom of the image since it's the brightest area. I don't like that though since the waterfalls feel very shoddy, but I'm assuming you haven't gotten to finishing that part. But that's the only real concern I have. I like the figure there, actually. It's nice he feels insignificant and small, but perhaps add more to imply a sense of scale and depth.

[Anonymous No.1631238]

>>1631236
*perhaps add more elements and layers
I was afraid you'd misinterpret that as add more characters.

[Anonymous No.1631241]

>>1631185
I wanted him to be small to make the rocks and stuff feel big, but I see what you're saying. I wanted it to be that moment where you stop, look up at all the beautiful scenery you're surrounded by, but I suppose because he's so small the pose ended up stiff and awkward instead.

>>1631216
Like this?

>>1631236
>>1631238
Well, I did consider it finished, but I think I might work on it a little bit longer now, just adding some shrubs and other vegetation and generally touching it up. How do you think the waterfalls could be improved?

Oh and thanks for all the feedback, guys.

[Anonymous No.1631263]

ok so I started on a page, kind of. it's an important one were the the brother sees his sister for the first time.

I don't know much about comics but how's this layout look so far. I'm not to sure about the second panel but I really want to put a lot of emphasis on her legs and feet, and the fact that shes taking her time to take her shoes off and step up into the house. The next few pages after this will focus on her teasing him.

[Anonymous No.1631266]

>>1630627
I like you.

[Anonymous No.1631301]

>>1631263
post more kiwi

[Anonymous No.1631305]

>>1631263
I can't tell if i should read right to left or not

[Anonymous No.1631328]

>>1631263
It's hard to critique with just one page and I'm not sure how much of a WIP it is, so my impressions may become invalid. That's why artists tend to go to editors with storyboards, rough pages, and etc ready. There's a visual and a narrative aspect that work together. Additionally I'm not sure your exact goals for the comic so the best advice for you is to go find a comic/manga/whatever that shares a similar theme and study it as a visual narrative. In the future it would be better to create a "storyboard" so you could change things easier. Instead of spending time coloring, plan out more of the story or work on the current/next page because you can save that for later. Big picture stuff first.
Here's a random manga that might be relevant to your interests: Kono Oneesan wa Fiction desu!?

cont.

[Anonymous No.1631330]

>>1631263
>>1631328
For immediate impressions: The panels and speech bubbles need work. Speech bubbles can give more emphasis to the text depending how they are drawn and the panels don't seem to follow well into the next one. You can do more with the background to help with the juxtaposition of height. Assuming this will span at least 20 pages you can spare a page leading into the scene or use the title page for it. For example the sister can walk up stairs and that is where you can zoom in on the legs as well. For storytelling she could be looking at a map and looking at the house number giving an impression that she is confirming the location. Therefore giving more weight to the "Hey long time no see..." etc. But I'm not too sure what comic goals are etc. etc. Also it might be better to demonstrate her height with a full spread of her body. For example, since she's tall give her a tall panel or lots of vertical page space for the reader to see it.

To take a step back, what you have is okay. It's clear from your post that you're thinking about things, such as emphasizing body parts which is good, and the page will surely improve with that line of thinking. You can pretty much dismiss my immediate impressions since that's just what they are, impressions with some suggestions. First part of my post is more important. Also once again I'm not too sure what your goals are so if you found my post unhelpful sorry because I did a lot of assuming on my part.

[Anonymous No.1631350]

>>1631330
>>1631328
thanks for the advice. I didn't spend/waste much time coloring it luckly. how you suggest I re arrange the panels? I think I get too attached the individual drawings in each panel and I become reluctanteto change or get rid of them

[Anonymous No.1631357]

I have a question here.

If I don't want to go deep into drawing skills, like in this thread just basic drawing of animu for example, do I have to do the same exercises as for any kind of drawing? For example realistic drawings? Or is there any other "path" for animu?

[Anonymous No.1631366]

>>1631028
It's a mix of people who don't read the sticky and m-muh traditional art.

[Anonymous No.1631371]

It's called 'cancer'

[Anonymous No.1631379]

>>1631357
if you pay attention to any other thing than the faces in manga or animation you realize that the work has skill on it, so yeah you need to learn realistic drawing first

[Anonymous No.1631381]

>>1631263
Kyle is that you?

I was about to ask if you'd ever do a comic page or enter the comics business.

[Anonymous No.1631382]

>>1631357
Learn realism, but not that much? As in, learn about basic anatomy, without going into how the soleus shows on the surface?

[Anonymous No.1631391]

Does this look like a guy?

[Anonymous No.1631400]

>>1631241
To me the composition looks a bit off because the point of interest is dead center on the page and simultaneously almost right on the plain of the background.

Very lovely drawing and idea though.

[Anonymous No.1631404]

>>1631391
Looks like some whore from tumblr.

[Anonymous No.1631410]

>>1631382
>>1631379
I'm actually relieved I have to learn everything, since I have more information that I can use for everything.

Thanks for the answers. I actually saw some ctrlpaint videos about traditional drawing and he actually teach "science" of drawing, opened my mind a lot so I just tried right away to copy an other drawing using ctrlpaint mindset and even if the sketch was rubbish the proportions and "sense" of the drawing was a lot better then I ever draw, it feels really that I know what I am doing now even if it is a really rubbish of a drawing.

I really was looking to find the mindset for drawing I am really happy and motivated since I found it.

[Xenomic No.1631411]

So, I took the earlier sketch, went over some lines to see if I couldn't fix them. Mostly the lines along the axis and the chin...the chin is really hard to round out (since I'm more about females than males). I THINK I got the axis lines to go right? They're as they should be moreso than last time. I know how they're supposed to go, but it's not easy sometimes. I can see things as they are in my head, but can't exactly do them on paper...

So, does it look any better? Am I at least getting the correct axis and lines? Aside from my shakiness which I'll have to learn to deal with eventually. I know it's kinda hard to see but this scanner.

[Anonymous No.1631412]

>>1631391
Not really, but to make it more feminine consider toning down the eyebrows (or at least make them feathered, not blocked in) and soften some of the harsh angles in the neck and shoulders.

[Anonymous No.1631414]

>>1631391
Also, who the hell has a larger upper lip than lower lip?

[Anonymous No.1631440]

>>1631350
This might sound like a cop-out but I'll repeat, to go find a comic/manga/whatever that shares a similar theme and study it as a visual narrative. Grab a page and think about what's happening in the story. Is it a character Introduction, a fight, or etc.? In your case you should probably look for character introductions. Then look at the panels and ask yourself why some are differently shaped, overlapping, nonexistent, and etc. Why do some panels have a close up scene and others view from farther away? Why do the characters sometimes go over the panel? There's a lot behind the making of a good comic/manga/whatever so look at examples from a good comic/manga/whatever artists for a good start. Panels are just another device for composition. Think about the story and how you want to convey it. The power of a "good" story can hook a reader in even if the illustrations aren't the best. If you have more time go look for resources that explain this theory or give a quick introduction/summary, there's plenty on the web and I think the sticky has some too.

cont.

[Anonymous No.1631446]

>>1631350
>>1631440
For more immediate: For a few things you can make the last panel the next page so the height juxtaposition has a bigger impact. Surprise Meeting -> Sleek Legs -> Soft Feet -> Fine Ass --(next page)-->*BAM* Tall Height--(next page)--> etc. Change the other panels to fill the missing width of the page. Take this change to have the action flow better from one panel to the other. If she steps towards the right then the flow goes to the right. Text bubbles can also help guide the flow. The link below probably gives a better summary of this. Also test out the composition out with thumbnails, you can probably find a better one than the example I gave. Big picture stuff first. Give hints to the next page. Be creative! Once again comics/manga/whatever are a visual narrative. Every time you work on a page ask yourself, "How do my illustrations bring my story to life"? It's not easy that's why author and artist roles are split for many works. The story in your page has the sister show up unannounced, very casual like, and apparently not in a long time. That doesn't surprise him at all? A more believable reaction from him might be disbelief when she says she's his sister and maybe a small "wow she's tall" before that.

Done for now, the first part of my posts should be good enough advice for most of your other pages. Also make thumbnails, your reluctance might stem from the fact that you don't do them.

http://rocketbot.com/tutorials/232/panel-flow-in-comic-layouts

[Anonymous No.1631621]

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>>1631620
>>1631620
>>1631620

[Anonymous No.1632779]

Can anyone help me out?
I would like to start drawing people or figures but I dont know which approach I should take.

I know about the 8 heads method from loomis and all but it seems more easier just to do basic shapes and draw over them.
any advice?