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1617161 No.1617161 [Reply] [Original]

So, do I need to learn how to draw perfect circles before I can practice drawing a head?

Because in every professional tutorial I see, they get to start with a perfect base. But since I can't even draw a circle correctly, I feel like my drawing is going to suffer a lot, anatomy wise.

Wat do?

>> No.1617163

>>1617161
just practice drawing with a relaxed arm, some draw it just the wrist moving and keeping their arms very stiff, give you whole arm the freedom of movement while drawing/ practicing

also relaxing your shoulders do help a lot

>> No.1617164

>>1617163
I tried that, and while I thought it gave me better results, it really was just an outlier. I kept trying and they all looked the same.

I read that if it's something small, it's best to use your wrist, and if it's much too big for your wrist to encompass the whole area, relax your arm and use that. That being said, what I'm drawing is small.

But I'm going to go try it again with my arm. And thanks for the shoulder tip, I haven't heard that 'till today.

>> No.1617167

>>1617164
>>1617163
Also, how fast should I be drawing these damn circles? lol

>> No.1617171

>>1617161

yep. no perfect circle, no anything. everybody spends his fearst couple of years mastering perfect circles.

>> No.1617172

>>1617171
>everybody spends his fearst couple of years mastering perfect circles.

I mean.. I'm willing to spend that time but.. is that really the whole truth? Or are you just fucking with me?

>> No.1617174

>>1617161
>Wat do?

Practice.

Practice drawing circles freehand, as well as all the basic shapes and forms. Think of what drawing a good circle entails: loose yet controlled mark-making, judging height and length. These are important no matter what you are drawing.

But beyond the motor skills involved, you also need to develop an understanding of the sphere as mass/form/surface, and the behavior of a circle in perspective. This is ultimately more important than capturing a "perfect" circle.

>> No.1617176

>>1617174
> loose yet controlled mark-making

not sure yet exactly what you mean there, but other than that I'll try to use your advice. thanks

>> No.1617180

>>1617172
he's fucking with you.
look up fun with a pencil - heres the pdf
http://alexhays.com/loomis/
first couple pages he makes it a point to tell you that shitty potato circles are fine at first.

>> No.1617184

>>1617180
Thanks man.

>lopsided as the family budget
yup.. hahahahaha

>> No.1617189

>>1617176

Loose in that the line is fluid, gives the feeling the hand of the artist was not strained, and drawn rather briskly. But not so fast that the artist loses control over the position and size of the circle.

There is a sweet spot of sorts, a combination of hand speed, motion, and the firmness of your grip, that produces good circles/ellipses/lines. The proper speed and firmness is different for everyone, so practice is as much about developing discovering the best combination for yourself as it is about developing motor memory.

But to reiterate, understanding the behavior of the sphere is crucial. Even a very loose sketch with incomplete, imperfect circles can be developed into a good bases for the head, if you have a proper understanding of form.

>> No.1617196

>>1617161
>circles

Search youtube for 'Peter Han Dynamic Sketching' video by CGMA. Follow his exercise.

>> No.1617205

>>1617161

You don't have to draw perfect circles to draw a head. But if you want to be able to draw anything you want you should be able to draw perfect circles.

>> No.1617210

>>1617167
It doesn't matter, take the time you need to make it as good as possible for now. Just practice circles and you'll eventually learn to do them in one quick motion.

>> No.1617302

>>1617161
I was in your position op recently and just did what >>1617196 suggests, and now I can basically draw circles. It only took me an hour or so, and no more potatos.

>> No.1617308

no but if you're so concerned about it buy a fucking compass.

>> No.1617314

Where is the suggested learning path with those good linksat each step that used to be in the sticky

>> No.1617532

>>1617171

this is what /ic/ actually believes, and that's why nobody here gets anywhere

>> No.1617535

>>1617172
>>1617532
>can't recognize sarcasm
Autists detected.

>> No.1617537

>>1617535
you failed to express sarcasm, that's why no one got it. keep blaming other people for your shortcomings.

>> No.1617539

>>1617537
I'm not >>1617171

>no one got it
>/ic/ is just 2 people

Not everyone is an autist like you, FYI.

>> No.1617560

>>1617539
>/ic/ is just 2 people
You'd think so with how slow this board is

>> No.1618398

>>1617164
like I said, its all about giving your hands and arms the freedom of movement, you just need to make a circular movement to make a circle, it need not to be perfect at first, its just giving your dexterity a bit of feel when drawing circles, also, it will depend on the size of the circle your drawing, the wrist is good for drawing small circles while drawing a really big circle you'll need to move your arms too

>> No.1618427

>>1617560
If you procrastinate on this board, it's natural to get that vibe.

>> No.1618431

Hello, should I start with Betty Edwards first?
Why is it so hard to do negative drawing?
I suck so much at it it ain't funny.

>> No.1618432

>>1618431
>Hello, should I start with Betty Edwards first?

If I could go back in time I would start with Keys to Drawing and I would leave "Drawing with the right side" on the shelf at the library.

>> No.1618437
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1618437

start here
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30325

>> No.1618438

>>1617161
So, it is using the ellipse tool considered cheating?
Matt Kohr doesn't seems to mind using it extensively.

>> No.1618440

>>1618438

no. but i just don't think it's necessary... + how are you ever gonna learn to do nice ellipses if you always rely on that stupid ellipse tool?

>> No.1618468

>>1618438

Even if you are using the ellipse tool, you still need to know how to place the ellipse and turn and size it correctly so that it would look convincing, and you develop that innate sense through freehand drawing.