Alternative Art/Stylization General.

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Alternative Art/Stylization General. Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:33:32 2013 No.1610325 [DELETED]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"First, you need a plan or approach; second, you need the knowledge to put the plan into effect; and third, you must have the spirit to carry it through to completion." - Glenn Vilppu

Previous Thread: >>1606442

Try to keep calm, have a positive attitude and avoid making Kind Janitor-san angry!

A general message to aspiring artists: Don't ever think that you should stop attempting to learn how to draw because "it takes too long" or "drawing is just a hobby." Being shitty at your hobby is definitely not better than doing your hobby well, no matter what your laziness tells you. Have some dedication in what you love to do, damn it!

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

This thread is meant for artists who might want to try to make stylized work in-between their studies. It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art. You can also discuss the visual elements of various professional artists as well if you keep it relatively articulate and civil.

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
http://www.squidoo.com/w-ic-i
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

/ic/: "All pros use reference".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:42:03 2013 No.1610336 The cancer goes here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:42:03 2013 No.1610337 File: 278 KB, 571x800, help.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] reposting i guess i really need help with fixing her anatomy and the perspective as well as her hands...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:56:05 2013 No.1610343 File: 87 KB, 228x218, 1386999986247.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610337 Is that a belly I see

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:56:35 2013 No.1610342 >>1610337 is she pregnant? the massive size of the belly button and how the shirt rides up without a gap implies a massive baby bump. Fix that and define your likes better and you're in business

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:59:35 2013 No.1610347 >>1610342 >>1610337 The short shirt and belly ornament is part of the design I believe. You just have to define the hip and belly area better so you don't make Sayaka a chubby.

>>	Anata no Okaasan Sun Dec 15 12:08:05 2013 No.1610352 File: 114 KB, 701x718, ss (2013-12-15 at 05.04.19).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Arms are meh. >Katawa Fight Club

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 12:28:35 2013 No.1610362 >>1610352 >Kenji is Tyler

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 12:33:35 2013 No.1610367 File: 696 KB, 1069x799, icrl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610337 Dunno, hope this helps. You should definitely use the hair for motion too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 12:40:05 2013 No.1610376 File: 509 KB, 635x791, icrl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610367

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 14:33:18 2013 No.1610446 Much aboulia

>>	Girl in the Wind Gintaman Sun Dec 15 15:38:08 2013 No.1610473 File: 2.64 MB, 2476x3504, 02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] one tiny little picture

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 15:39:37 2013 No.1610474 >>1610376 good redline

>>	another little picture Gintaman Sun Dec 15 15:40:38 2013 No.1610477 File: 2.67 MB, 3504x2484, 03.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i´m looking forward to read your comments :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 17:12:28 2013 No.1610549 >>1610343 well i for one welcome our new healthy overlords

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 17:13:58 2013 No.1610550 >>1610473 >>1610477 be vary of the size of the skull. For example, in your first one, the top left of her head. Considering the volume of the hair, it should extend a bit further

>>	Gintaman Sun Dec 15 17:42:32 2013 No.1610566 thank you :) i didnt notice this... next time i will try to do better ;)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 17:50:02 2013 No.1610570 >>1610566 >>1610477 >>1610473 >>>/i/ is the right place for you :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 18:58:02 2013 No.1610613 >>1610376 thank you so much, this really helped!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 22:32:03 2013 No.1610710 File: 100 KB, 706x872, loli4chandoodle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] loli doodle i did tonight... meh

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 23:00:05 2013 No.1610726 File: 1.23 MB, 3518x2984, wut.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trying a different pen type than my usual. One layer doodle. Maybe I will go over in a thicker pen. What does /ic/tan think?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 23:23:07 2013 No.1610743 >>1610726 dem tumblr nose

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 23:26:37 2013 No.1610747 >>1610743 Dem? Theres one

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 00:33:56 2013 No.1610768 File: 1.29 MB, 3518x2984, wut.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610726 Inked it with my usual pen and I like it much more

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 00:33:56 2013 No.1610769 >>1610710 Nice job Americanizing the fuck out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 00:41:13 2013 No.1610770 >>1610769 That doesn't make sense to anyone besides you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 00:46:43 2013 No.1610773 File: 1.30 MB, 3518x2984, wut.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610768 tweaked a thing

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 01:38:43 2013 No.1610784
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Ahh, this is the first time I've ever posted on this board. I've lurked a lot and I was hoping that somebody could help me to improve this.

The anatomy's off, I know that, since I didn't use any skeletons or such.Sorry for how messy it is; it's only the roughest sketch. I wanted to get some help and fix it before doing a better sketch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 01:40:13 2013 No.1610785 File: 146 KB, 600x400, rioooooo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610784 Crap crap crap, I messed up, I didn't resize it. I fixed it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 02:57:21 2013 No.1610826 >>1610773 >>1610477 you guys should learn a lesson from >>1610785 and resize your images before posting so they aren't in an xboxhueg resolution

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 04:17:10 2013 No.1610850

>>1610473
>>1610477
Find a source for the hair. Determine the shape and how it fits against the skull. Use longer lines.

The body for the first one is bretty gud by itself, kind of detached from the head though. Did you copy it?

Fit the clothes on after you draw her naked.

Kind of obvious you're not using any construction at all. Do some head perspectives and figure drawing.

Gintaman Mon Dec 16 05:06:26 2013 No.1610871

thank you very much! this will surely help me.
but what do you mean with construction?
i erased all the sketch-lines and redid all the real lines to make it look more clearly, if its that what you mean
besides that i always draw them naked first and fit clothes on afterwards...
are the clothes too near to the skin?
im also not sure about the face-size compared to the body... is it too big? or shouldnt the neck be left out in these perspectives?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 09:33:57 2013 No.1610976 >>1610871 Click the post number to quote

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 12:12:09 2013 No.1611053 File: 52 KB, 960x1280, 2013-12-16 17.10.30.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hows it going with this one ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 12:18:40 2013 No.1611055 >>1611053 epic

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 12:36:40 2013 No.1611059 >>1611053 Hehehe I find this so cute in a way it feels like I am seeing this from the past :3 Sometimes I wish I were innocent again.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 12:39:40 2013 No.1611060

>>1611053
Hehehe I find this so cute in a way it feels like I am seeing this from the past :3

For all intended purposes keep drawing what you wish but at the same time put some time on fundamentals and study them; and then apply the to Miku.

This drawing makes me wish I wish I were innocent again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 12:40:11 2013 No.1611061 File: 421 KB, 960x1280, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611053 cmon anon try to put some effort

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 14:06:29 2013 No.1611100
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Any tips on my coloring? Also I know my lines are fucked, gonna clean them up soon. I'm just switching to Photoshop because Sai can't into print so I'm experimenting like hell with this piece.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 14:09:59 2013 No.1611103 >>1611100 >Any tips on my coloring. I wouldn't be so concerned about the coloring right now. Everything about your drawing is a flat symbol; think in three dimensional forms. Please read the Sticky.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 14:19:30 2013 No.1611106 this is weird. I'm used to seeing the animu and mango threads a bit more active than this one is.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 14:32:59 2013 No.1611113

I've never researched this but I'm wondering what kind of processing you have to apply to a basic drawing to make it look like an authentic screenshot from an anime that runs on TV. You know they have that distinctive look that's very much unlike static images, and it's not just the lower resolution or compression artifacts.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 14:39:29 2013 No.1611118
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>>1611103
Understandable. And I've already read through the sticky, though I'm honestly really unsure about how to avoid symbol drawing.

I'm attempting to think in three dimensional forms but with Animu it's not really the easiest thing to do. Are there any tips that specify to that?

Also, I apparently did more than what I posted, so here's an update. Mainly on hair.

I can't help but feel that the black lines seriously subtract from it at the moment, though.

>>1611113
Also curious about this.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 14:45:29 2013 No.1611122

>>1611118
>I'm attempting to think in three dimensional forms but with Animu it's not really the easiest thing to do.

No excuses.

http://kitsune-elly.deviantart.com/art/12-7-13-418482873

>Are there any tips that specify to that?

Loomis, more specifically Fun with a Pencil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:04:29 2013 No.1611136 >>1611122 Anything to do before Loomis?

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:04:59 2013 No.1611137

>>1611113
All I see in the stills I have are compression artifacts, soft lines, noise, distortion, and loose anatomies with enough polish to be passable.
>>1611118
If you want to do anime, symbol drawing is what you want. In fact, you're at a beginners level where mastering proportion and perspective are most important and symbolic drawing is acceptable for mastering those subjects.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:06:29 2013 No.1611139 >>1610726 >signing a doodle

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:07:00 2013 No.1611143 >>1611136 There's a definite connection between linear perspective and the exercises Loomis has you go through in Fun with a Pencil. I suggest getting Perspective made Easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:08:29 2013 No.1611144 >>1611118 >unsure about how to avoid symbol drawing work through the edwards book or the dodson book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:11:29 2013 No.1611146 >>1610325 >kawaii uguuu OP stahp

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:23:29 2013 No.1611156

>>1611122
I'm not really making excuses. But I'll reread those books I guess.

>>1611137
Now I'm getting mixed messages.

>>1611144
Well, I mean with anime.

I've already gotten it down with realism. Granted I'm not able to completely recreate a scene from a photograph yet, I know to focus more on what I see and less on what I think is there.

Basically how I word it to myself is 'nothing is perfect, nothing looks like the symbol I see as an eye, or person, or face. There's flaws there, nothing looks the same because of those flaws. And that's good.'

I probably sounded so fucking gay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:24:59 2013 No.1611158 >>1611156 >reread those books Please don't tell me you've just been reading them and not participating in their exercises.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:25:59 2013 No.1611159 >>1611158 I've been participating in the exercises, yeah. Guess I should have reworded that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:36:29 2013 No.1611164 >>1611159 Let's see them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:57:36 2013 No.1611173 File: 69 KB, 722x472, 1387227432293.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611164 Sorry about the wait. I don't save exercises, and I got a phonecall.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:00:06 2013 No.1611180
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>>1611156
>>1611173
When I say anime is symbol drawing I mean it uses lines and cell shading to show form instead of realistic tones.
If you want to learn to draw anime, you should probably look for books on how to draw anime instead of reading a book on drawing realism and trying to apply that to symbolic art. Some styles of anime contain very unrealistic symbolic representations and guide books will help you pick those up faster.
Even if you start with someone like Loomis, you'll be able to improve your drawing skills enough to learn the anime style by observation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:00:06 2013 No.1611181 >>1610785 Just going to casually bump this. You don't even have to necessarily help me, but can I at least maybe get an opinion on what looks weird or something of the sort please?

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:06:06 2013 No.1611184
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>>1611180
Well, one book I treat like a godsend is Mastering Manga, if that counts for jack shit. I don't really like reading books, though, as silly as it sounds. I do a lot more from simple observation of other shows, manga, etc. Recently I've been trying to teardown Persona 3/4's art, along with Dangan Ronpa's custcene art. Mainly for the coloring/shading/w/e on that because FUCK it looks good.

Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:09:36 2013 No.1611187 >>1611181 Only thing that might need some tweaking is the arm and maybe the legs should be made a bit smaller, since the thighs may want to be a little thinner. Other than that, great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:15:06 2013 No.1611190 >>1611187 Thank you so much for the feedback! I'll try and do so, but could you possibly elaborate on how the arm should be tweaked?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:18:06 2013 No.1611192 >>1611190 Well, right now it looks like it's laying on the ground. Though that could be what you're intending, maybe raise the elbow a bit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:18:36 2013 No.1611193 >>1611181 well, it's not there yet. at all. do more gestures drawings. contour drawings, and study all the sizes/lengths of the human body and their proportions. get a sketchbook or something akin to it, and draw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 16:38:37 2013 No.1611205 >>1611192 Yeah, that was actually what I was intending. >>1611193 Thank you very much for the advice! I'm definitely going to study some more.

Gintaman Mon Dec 16 17:10:55 2013 No.1611222
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>>1610473
>>1610477
Here i am again, today with a totally screwed up picture...
dont know what happened but it just looks awful...
anyways, i hope you guys can give me some feedback about the anatomy, the head and the hair-sources...
and dont even look at the hand, i put it there in about 12 sec so not worth looking at

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:25:55 2013 No.1611234 >>1611222 I suggest that you read the sticky and study anatomy first anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:27:25 2013 No.1611236 File: 50 KB, 960x1280, 2013-12-16 22.24.34.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611053 >>1611061 went away for a bit, came back looked at your redline, looked at some referance. any better?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:28:55 2013 No.1611239 >>1611236 just realised her left forearm is a bit shitty oops.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:30:59 2013 No.1611241

>>1611222
Well one thing, and probably the most obvious problem, is that the arm is completely straight. there is no wrist or elbow. No visible sign of a joint or anything!

And another thing that I've seen consistently in all of the drawings you've posted on this thread, is the hair. The strands are very uneven and it's sticking out very awkwardly.

The entire drawing looks very stiff and emotionless. I can't really give you any in-depth advice but practice gesture drawings! They will help to give more life and flow to your drawings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:34:59 2013 No.1611244 >>1611241 >>1611222 get the fuck out and read the sticky goddamn it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:38:28 2013 No.1611249
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>>1611222
Observe a figure and you will see that there is an intelligent design behind it - for example the size of the hand is in relation to the face. The size of the head is in relation to the size of the body and with that you can divide the figure based on head counts.

Figure drawing for all its worth will help you understand these proportions of the figure but what it doesn't focus on is gesture which is just as important because gesture is the beginning of your drawing as it establishes how you see the figure and gives you an idea of what it is doing.

Without gesture you will end up with a very stiff lifeless drawing, you want to tell a story not with words but with lines and forms that describe what is moving away or towards you.

>>	Gintaman Mon Dec 16 17:57:28 2013 No.1611259 >>1611241 >>1611249 Thank you guys, i will try do do better... >>1611244 i dont know what i might have said to offend you but im sorry... at least there are some nice and normal guys as well, not just these "get the fuck out" people like you

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:01:28 2013 No.1611261 [DELETED]

>>1611259
>i dont know what i might have said to offend you but im sorry...
>at least there are some nice and normal guys as well,
>not just these "get the fuck out" people like you

That right there was called a D/ic/k, you'll learn to love them :3 Don't take it to heart.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:03:28 2013 No.1611262
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>>1611259
>i dont know what i might have said to offend you but im sorry...
>at least there are some nice and normal guys as well,
>not just these "get the fuck out" people like you

That right there was called a D/ic/k, you'll learn to love them :3 Don't take it to heart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:11:58 2013 No.1611263 File: 50 KB, 960x1280, 2013-12-16 23.10.16.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611236 i hope you dont mind me taking a bump here

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:19:28 2013 No.1611268 >>1611259 >>i dont know what i might have said to offend you but im sorry... your art is offending me. it should be a bannable offense for people like you to post more than one image. >>1611263 same applies to you

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:22:28 2013 No.1611270 >>1611268 Hey now, they're doing no harm posting their art. They just want help to improve. If you have such a problem with their art them give them advice to help them get better, and then you might not feel so offended by it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:27:28 2013 No.1611271 >>1611270 If you want to post here, develop a thick skin now otherwise /ic/ will consume you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:30:28 2013 No.1611273 >>1611268 out of interest what are you actually doing here ?

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:46:47 2013 No.1611279

>>1611273
>>1611270
the thing is, they are not going to improve if they keep dillydallying at this level.
the anons replying to them are not helping either, it's just pointless to have a conversation at this level. there is nothing to be really said other than "practice more".

so the way i look at it, they just post beginner art, and there is absolutely nothing we can do for their improvement. and if they are not going to improve, and they post several images... they are literally shitting up the thread, aren't they?.
at this level, what you do is draw, draw, draw, draw and motherfucking DRAW!
what is the point of not just posting one, but several of their crappy drawings?
this is why you should tell them straight up right away: it's terrible.

>>1611273
i sometimes leave /ic/ open while practicing. and believe it or not, i'm trying to help.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:53:47 2013 No.1611281

>>1611279
I doubt discouraging people by telling them their art is shit is gonna help...

Besides, they can hardly improve if no one points out and tells them what they are doing wrong. They'll just repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

If you get pissed off by that, well, just stop reading this thread. I'm sure there are some other threads on /ic more suited for "your level".

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:05:17 2013 No.1611284

>>1610784
I really like it! There is quite a bit you could do to improve it though. The thing is that you have most of the body in one perspective but the hair is in another? Because of this the hair and the- I'll call it chesnut for lack of detail- chestnut in the lower left hand corner both need to be be moved upward, and the hair flattened somewhat, which will basically put them on the same plane of perspective as everything else in the drawing. I would suggest to make the chestnut a tad larger too. All in all it's a good sketch though!

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:15:17 2013 No.1611292

>>1611279
You are literally the most pretentious shitfuck I've ever seen in one of these threads and I am here to tell you to get the fuck out.

If they were saying 'well it's my style' or 'it's just a hobby i don't wanna improve' I'd say the same, but they're posting asking for help with things that are obvious flaws.

You're just saying "Get out, you're a beginner, don't even ask for help."

Fuck yourself. I don't think you've even posted a single thing in this thread other than insults. If anyone's shitposting here, it's you.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:25:47 2013 No.1611304

>>1611292
Not that Anon, but think of it this way. Said Anon is testing the two posters up there as you really have to want to improve regardless of what anyone says or whatever happens. It is a struggle against yourself and procrastination, in order to improve you got to have the will and the spirit to keep going; take the OP's message I wrote up there into consideration.

Look at this from another perspective, and see how much of a positive influence it will cause in the long term - not the short term. On the contrary, if anyone here tells you to "fuck off" or "you're a little piece of shit stop drawing you'll never improve" you should feel compelled to prove the antagonist wrong and show you're worth.

If anyone fails to be stubborn about it and gives up just because some random Anon told them to than they had a weak spirit to keep going in the first place and should ask themselves how badly they want to draw and improve. You have to strive for it.

Now let us stop this discussion as it won't go anywhere but it all depends how bad the two posters want to improve.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:39:50 2013 No.1611309

>>1611304
While you have a point, I don't think it'll stop them from drawing, but moreso discourage them from posting in the thread asking for improvement.

Just simply saying 'read the sticky' isn't going to give them the help they want. They came in asking for help because they want one on one, like a private tutor or something. While I personally don't have the skills to give this, some people in this thread can accurately redline and point out where they need to improve. Some people don't learn by practicing tutorials, some people learn by others redlining and them changing their drawing based off the redline or critique, learning the skills and understanding the mistake they made.

I say this because I'm like that.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:42:20 2013 No.1611311

>>1611292
>but they're posting asking for help with things that are obvious flaws.
but the whole thing is a flaw.
and again, at the very least i'm saying that they shouldn't posting several versions of the same drawing. other than that i don't really care.

actually what bothers me the most are the replies to it. i would consider that fake feedback. they are barely behind the starting line, and you should make them understand that. not give them a idea of "everything is fine".

> I don't think you've even posted a single thing in this thread other than insults.
you're wrong

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:49:21 2013 No.1611316

>>1611311
Your logic is flawed. This thread is to help them improve, so they change the picture based off the improvements they need to do, repost, we help them again, etc. etc.

Also, prove it then. Only two images in this thread match your typing style, one is pretty good and the other is meh at best. Stop walking around like you're some god amazing artist. We're all here to improve.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 19:55:50 2013 No.1611321

>>1611281
>Besides, they can hardly improve if no one points out and tells them what they are doing wrong. They'll just repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

Yeah, but if you really don't know what you're talking about when pointing stuff out, you'll never know if you're sending them down the wrong path to begin with. You'll just keep repeating the same wheel spinning advice over and over. No one here has any real world experience in critiquing, and if there were then reference material on how to do that would have been shared already. So, here you are in a similiar situation as the anon you're critiquing. Not being aware of your own problems. Is there an equivalent of the meme "learn the fundamentals" but directed to the craft of critique? Because perhaps some of you need to hear it.

>>	Lefty Mon Dec 16 19:58:20 2013 No.1611324 >>1611053 haha i see you took some pointers from my previous "redline" anyway, just keep drawing mate

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:02:20 2013 No.1611325 >>1611316 Nah anon, these threads are for confirmation. Have been, and always will be the dysfunctional hugbox you deserve.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:03:50 2013 No.1611326

>>1611321
Then what's the point of this thread, if not to attempt to help others improve? Just post our art and say "LOOK AT WHAT I MADE GUYS!"?

People learn from people. That's why people post in this thread asking for help. Some of the anons here may know how to do a real world critique, too. And they're probably the most help. If they're willing to post and actually help, that is.

How about instead of just yelling "YOU'RE SHIT GET OUT AND READ THE STICKY" we sit down and actually try to help eachother with the flaws in our work?

>>1611325
Oh, really?

Guess I should be taking my leave, then.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:15:21 2013 No.1611330

>>1611326
>Then what's the point of this thread, if not to attempt to help others improve? Just post our art and say "LOOK AT WHAT I MADE GUYS
Who's to say these threads aren't that already? What you call "helping others" some might call "hurting others".

And besides, you misread that entire post. Its about both sides being blind in the learning process. Question here is what are you going to do about it? One side has got a Loomis to learn from, what does your side have ( knowing how to help others)?

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:20:51 2013 No.1611332

>>1611330
My side?

My side has skills established from classes. Or maybe they learned from Loomis, or somewhere else. Basically they learned and they're essentially regurgitating information and such. But it's a more one on one process, which some people find better for learning, and some find it easier to study a book.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:32:21 2013 No.1611339

>>1611332
Not the art side, the teaching side, the craft of helping others.

And besides, other took art classes as well, some less than you and some more than you. Some probaly went to a better school than you, others not so. Some may already be professional, others amatuers or just hoppyists. So your credtinals on the art side aren't the issue here. The issue here is, where are the "fundamentals" on how to critique? That's your side.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:36:24 2013 No.1611343
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>>1611284
I'm glad you like it! I'm afraid I don't really know how I would change the hair like you suggest...

By the way, that 'chestnut' is a very minimally detailed ring, ahaha. I-it's very significant...

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:47:23 2013 No.1611348

>>1611339
Fundamentals on how to critique? I guess there aren't any. But critique is, at it's core, just brainstorming about how to fix the issues and make the piece a stronger piece overall.

But I still could be missing the point, and if I am, sorry. I'm at work, and have been since 5:30. My mental patience in general is getting worn thing at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:53:53 2013 No.1611351 >>1611348 >I guess there aren't any. Now you're starting to sound like the anons that never "improve". If one side has a goal to get to, and a material to help (loomis for example). What's to prevent the other side from having its material to help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 20:59:23 2013 No.1611354 File: 1.82 MB, 378x284, 1386994715487.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These threads are just an enablist newfag hugbox anymore The people that did have potential bailed long ago and are working fine on their own. This whomps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:02:53 2013 No.1611357 >>1610337 the lags look slightly wrong, like the way her upper body is positioned and the placement of her legs slightly at odds with each other

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:12:53 2013 No.1611362 >>1611354 I come back occasionally to make me feel better about myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:23:41 2013 No.1611375 File: 257 KB, 1208x1096, ScanImage001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610473 >>1610477 >>1610850 Learn to draw the head first. Her left eye should be smaller. You shouldn't be able to see her right ear. It should go behind her hair.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:42:11 2013 No.1611394 >>1611362 then you're doing it wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:44:41 2013 No.1611396 >>1611394 Why are you here, then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:49:41 2013 No.1611397 >>1611396 to post stuff, get crits and feedback.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:51:12 2013 No.1611400
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>>1610325
How do I into hentai commissions/doujin/h-comic/etc?

I drew this little thing and see if I can include it somewhere.

Should I create an account separate from my personal Tumblr to upload the hentai art? How do I manage both accounts without people realizing is the same guy?

Many thanks in advance

inb4 not korean not female

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:51:41 2013 No.1611399 >>1611354 >These threads are just an enablist newfag hugbox anymore >anymore Second language?

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:56:41 2013 No.1611402

>>1611400
hentaifoundry, seperate tumblr is also good.

>How do I manage both accounts without people realizing is the same guy?

just don't reblog, like, link or do anything to each other but then again if your art is very recognizable by itself, it'll be found out in due time.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:59:11 2013 No.1611406

>>1611397
>get crits and feedback.
>implying they aren't shit.

Most of the posters here wont benefit much from a critique anyway. They're lacking in observational skills, which isn't something to be fixed by telling them what looks wrong in their work. I've posted critique myself, and I can't even see how I would've used it myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 21:59:41 2013 No.1611405 >>1611402 Thank's guy. Yeah I guess I should change my style, it's too obvious right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 22:42:15 2013 No.1611439 File: 62 KB, 279x423, 1387060887264.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611354 >whomps that sounded cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 22:57:45 2013 No.1611453 File: 135 KB, 314x387, 45.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611439 >>1611354

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 03:07:35 2013 No.1611597 >>1611406 >I've posted critique myself, and I can't even see how I would've used it myself. don't post critique ever again.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 03:08:05 2013 No.1611599
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>>1610785
OP here. Not of this thread, this post I mean. I'm going to be completely honest here...

I think I improved this tenfold. I was already proud of the first one the I posted when I drew it but now it looks like crap. I am really proud of how much I've improved this! Holy holy crap, I'm quite content with myself and my quick progress at the moment. Now I'm going to go get some sleep.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 03:45:05 2013 No.1611614 >>1611597 Nice argument there, faggot.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 04:30:41 2013 No.1611627
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Figured this might be the best place to ask. I've been playing off and on with cartoon sketches of people for the past few months, and want to learn how to do caricature. Can any d/ic/ks make some book recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 05:00:11 2013 No.1611637 >>1611627 http://www.amazon.com/The-One-Minute-Caricature-Keyl/dp/B0046LUAA4 there's a copy floating around somewhere, got it years ago but just skim through it and deleted it. I don't know the site as well anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 05:54:30 2013 No.1611652 File: 162 KB, 378x513, wip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] putting a stopping point to this tonight

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 06:00:59 2013 No.1611654 >>1611652 Looks like Yuugen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 06:19:02 2013 No.1611661 >>1611654 haha naw its miusel from outbreak company

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 08:40:30 2013 No.1611738 File: 86 KB, 400x300, 1381273655868.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611439 putin I can never get enough pictures of you

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 12:17:33 2013 No.1611838 File: 444 KB, 400x400, helloladies.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mind socumt

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 12:23:32 2013 No.1611845

>>1610325
Im hoping one of you guys in this thread could help an anon out, got this course work to do that is to be stylized and I'm not meaning anime, more a western Pixar type stylization. However, I've been studying loomis, Vilppu and the like for a few years now and I can't get back into stylized drawing without over thinking it. Any steps I should take to become more western stylized without discrediting my 'classical' studies? FYI it's a building I have to draw.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 13:17:52 2013 No.1611885

>>1611845
>without discrediting my 'classical' studies?
that's your problem.

just disregard them.
the knowledge that you got from them is important, but you'll use a different process and technique for drawing cartoons.

basically forget all the rules and experiment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 13:34:22 2013 No.1611896 >>1611885 ...forget....all the rules? you're a rouge bullet saying that sorta thing on /ic/ haha!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 16:38:31 2013 No.1612020 >>1611637 Looks promising, thanks bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:21:32 2013 No.1612079 File: 249 KB, 320x240, 1387322480531.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1611599 anon i... i liked the first version better ;_; i'm sorry ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:36:02 2013 No.1612089 >>1611838 Both arms are broken. Also pointing one is coming out of the torso too low.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:57:02 2013 No.1612100 >>1611896 welcome to this fucking thread. But its true, try to emphasize/exaggerate movement and gesture

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:25:57 2013 No.1612133
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>>1612079
Don't worry about it, we can all have different opinions!

I personally like the second a lot better because in the first I used no guidelines or skeletons or anything and she looks squished and doesn't look weak or dead or anything like I was planning for her to look like, ahaha. In the second one I tried to add more depth and make her look less stiff and I feel like I did so.

But ultimately it goes back to my first point, so you can like the first one better, because it just makes me happy to know that somebody likes something I drew! S-sorry for this long meaningless post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:38:27 2013 No.1612151 File: 45 KB, 418x428, pirated00d4chansmall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Pirate doodle I did tonight....meh

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 19:46:57 2013 No.1612157 File: 204 KB, 600x444, rioooooooo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612133 I kind of gave up on this so I just slapped some colour onto it, bye

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 20:28:46 2013 No.1612181 >>1612133 >Don't worry about it, we can all have different opinions! oh just shut up. i thought trolls were bad, but you people are worse!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 20:39:46 2013 No.1612187 >>1612181 !

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 20:45:46 2013 No.1612190 jesus christ this thread is terrible

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 20:48:46 2013 No.1612191 >>1612190 your face is terrible

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:01:46 2013 No.1612197 >>1612187 !?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:08:47 2013 No.1612200 >>1612190 See >>1610336

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:22:35 2013 No.1612237

>>1612181
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you've got your panties in a knot about. I was just letting anon know that it's fine if they like the first version of my sketch better. I probably could have put it in a less ooh-Tumblr way. No, I should have.

>>	Critique please Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:41:05 2013 No.1612240 File: 217 KB, 1488x2105, FACE5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Critique please

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 22:54:09 2013 No.1612244 >>1612190 you mean like every other thread on /ic/? >>1612240 learn to see your mistakes yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:01:39 2013 No.1612248 >>1612244 >you mean like every other thread on /ic/? i know there's too much critiquing going on in this board when people should learn to spot it themselves. just learn from tom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:13:39 2013 No.1612252 >>1612244 If he could see his own mistake then he wouldn't need to come here, would he? Stay classy, /ic/.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:19:09 2013 No.1612254

>>1612240
>>1612244
>>1612248

Jesus Christ, fucking faggots can't answer a simple question without going all condescending aspie on people.

I'll give your artwork a critique. You do lots of things right. The proportions are fine. Everything is in more or less the right place which is better than 90% of what gets posted in draw threads. So that's a good start.

Things I don't like: No line work. Makes it feel vague and backgroundy. She doesn't seem to have a left ear. The skin colors are fine but the top is pretty blah. Also, you've done this so it looks like a painting but it feels kind of unfinished. Go either super flat with your colors or go all the way into painterly mode. Being in the middle feels a little meh.

If you painted the rest of her body with a penis on it, /d/ would probably worship you and proclaim you their holy warrior or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:27:10 2013 No.1612258 >>1612254 What do you expect? You are on a board with a bunch of angry failed artists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:40:40 2013 No.1612264 >>1612258 >Shots fired.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:43:41 2013 No.1612268 File: 1.44 MB, 2223x2560, 029.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612240 Ar................ are you studying from this picture?? /ic/, Will this be over-reference ??It seems you copy the value

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 00:04:13 2013 No.1612278 File: 194 KB, 800x537, CM_show_preview.php.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612264

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:28:03 2013 No.1612314 >>1612268 There are similarities, but it's not a direct copy, and I don't see any reason to persecute him. It's good to imitate artists you like, though it's faster to start of with learning light/shadow studies before complicating things with color.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:47:03 2013 No.1612324
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>>1612254

>I'll give your artwork a critique. You do lots of things right. The proportions are fine. Everything is in more or less the right place which is better than 90% of what gets posted in draw threads. So that's a good start.

But that's wrong. The spacial relationship between the eyes and other feature placements are fucked because there's no construction going on underneath.

Even if he's "more or less in the right place" it's still going to look off because there isn't much margin for error when conveying form with lines and negative space.

New kids can't seem to wrap their heads around this and it's why they fail starting out because they are trying to eyeball and duplicate the already stylized pictures they see. Instead of, you know, learning linear perspective and how to visualize 3d forms in their heads and fucking draw them. And GOD FORBID, OH THE DOLDRUMS of checking out stuff like Loomis and Vilppu.

The only thing he did was give it a mediocre rendering pass.

But hey, keep filling his head with bullshit and empty praise, that's exactly what he needs.

Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:54:03 2013 No.1612327 >>1612324 you're in the wrong fucking thread anon

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:57:04 2013 No.1612330

>>1612324
thats what this thread needs. Actual critique. It's in the fucking title of this board. Yet most of the faggots here just go "oh find it yourself" or just complete shitposting. This board is no better than the popular interest boards. Only good thing here is the sticky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 02:33:03 2013 No.1612341 Sigh, I wish Mikufag were here. I'm sure he'd lighten up the mood.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 05:44:18 2013 No.1612410

>>1612330
dude, /ic/ is about improving your art. not necessary about critique, no matter what the subtitle of the board is.

>he asked for critique!
>i'm going to do everything in my power to cook up a long post
>even though i don't know how to improve the piece, or what the real problem of the piece is, i'm going to adress as much as i can XD (even though i don't understand anything XD)
don't FORCE critique, it's not that freakin important.

people like you need to fucking get out of here. it's people like you that will finally make these threads into muh weeb animu communiteh 2.0 XD <3
>"let's comment on each others works ;D"
>"don't forget to comment back! ;P"
>"constructive criticism X3"

>>1612240
the drawing is very wonky and weak.
the coloring is a decent start, but that doesn't help if the drawing is bad.
it looks bad because the drawing is bad. practice more drawing.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 06:33:18 2013 No.1612425

>>1612410
>/ic/ is about improving your art
Why do people keep preaching this? It's not a prerequisite to post, it's not in the rules, and the majority posting don't give an indication. /ic/ ain't your classroom. If others want to post their shit and giggle around it, that 's their prerogative. Same with "serious" fwapping retards that think this is all about "serious" learning.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 06:35:48 2013 No.1612426
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>>1612410
Wow, just fucking wow.
>your drawing is bad
>practice more drawing
My God, I think that is the most insightful critique and advice I have ever seen. Even more so after reading your rant about critique. Like, I am sure his mind was blown when you told him that he should draw more to get better at drawing.

You know what is the most hilarious part about a hypocrite? They don't understand that they are being hypocritical. You fucking suck and you should just not post ever again. You have no clue what you are even talking about, do you? I know you don't because you didn't address anything that was wrong with the image.
>wonky and weak
God damn man! That was exactly what is wrong with his image! You are just a master of critique, what would that anon do without those few well chosen words!

>people like you need to get out of here
No, uneducated self important twits like you are the real problem here. You come into these threads and bitch about it, fuck off. No one gives two shits about your opinion on what these threads are and where they are going. This is one of the few times in my life where I wish I had a higher English vocabulary so I could express how outrageously moronic you are.

Post like this >>1612324 are exactly what these threads need, that anon actually knew what he was talking about. He pointed out a key flaw in the image, unlike you. Your advice was literally "you don't draw good, draw better". Why did you even post? You went on a rant about something completely different than what he was talking about. Anime community? Did he say anything about anime? You seriously responded to someone pointing out that actual critique is a good thing, while in the same post giving the worst critique I have ever seen.
I legitimately hope you die before you ever get a chance to post again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 06:38:49 2013 No.1612428 Calm the fuck down you aspies

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 06:57:48 2013 No.1612434

>>1612425
it's been board culture since forever.
and thanks for admitting you are actively trying to destroy /ic/.
fuck off to /i/

>>1612426
do you realize that EVERY SINGLE point you are making revolves around the notion that people should write as much as possible to "help" each other?
give the noobs as much attention as possible, and it would be best if we wrote a long essay about what is wrong with their work, when it could be described in just a few sentences?

i'll give you one thing tough. i could have explained a bit more. i didn't because the post was already getting long.
and it's usually the same shit anyway, he's not drawing any forms, forget about form, the eyes aren't even aligned! and they're symbols! and i could go on and on, but i don't, because IT'S POINTLESS.
instead i choose to point out the weakness and tell him what he should do from now on. that's advice. his weakness is drawing, and he needs to practice that.

honest question, think about it:
you think pointing out these flaws will make him a better artist? when do you think he would become a better artist? when he follows my advice or your "critique"?

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:12:22 2013 No.1612441
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>>1612434
My God, my fucking God. I am so glad that my life will eventually end and I will never have to deal with people stupid as you again.
You are completely oblivious and simple minded.
I don't even know what to say now.

>I was pointing out his weakness
Are you being serious? I honestly cannot tell if you are being serious. I am sure your vague advice is going to work wonders.
>you don't draw good, draw more

I am finding it comical that you don't realize you're an idiot

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:20:52 2013 No.1612444

>>1612441
you do realize i won't give this kind of advice to everyone right?
if an elementary school kid comes up to you and asks you for advice, what do you tell them?
>"yeah, that right ear is off and you should do x and y"
yeah right, that's surely what i'm supposed to tell them...

you have to look at the bigger picture, otherwise you won't ever improve.
believe me, i'm just fucking trying to help.

with your method, this is what's going to happen:
-nobody is ever going to improve
-people will post more pictures and they will all look essentially the same.
-people will keep doing it and stroke each other with "critique" and attention.
-their level is never going to change. ever.

YOU DONT NEED CRITIQUE FOR FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES.
FUCK

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:23:22 2013 No.1612445 >>1612444 >projecting

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:27:22 2013 No.1612449

>>1612444
>you don't need to critique for fundamental mistakes
That is exactly when someone requires correction because they don't understand that they are making mistakes, hence why they made the mistake in the first place. I'm done speaking with you, never attempt to teach. Don't post half ass vague replies to people's images, it serves no purpose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:29:22 2013 No.1612451 >>1612449 just leave him anon, he just wants to feel superior while not knowing the fuck he's talking about

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:39:22 2013 No.1612453

>>1612449
>requires correction
you're just not getting it. i don't even know why bother to help you faggots.
you have to get a bigger perspective on things. if you lack fundamentals and basically PRACTICE, these critiques won't help anyone.

i asked you before and i'll ask you again:
just how much do you think these corrections will impact him in the long run?
the only thing you're doing is misleading him into thinking
>once i get these problems solved, it'll look good.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE TRUTH.
youre literally making them into wheel spinning retards, like that troll always says.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:44:22 2013 No.1612457 >>1612453 >>>/y/ >>>/o/ >>>/u/ >>>/r/ >>>/e/ >>>/f/ >>>/u/ >>>/c/ >>>/k/ >>>/i/ >>>/n/ >>>/g/ >>>/s/ >>>/t/ >>>/u/ >>>/p/ >>>/i/ >>>/d/

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:48:25 2013 No.1612461 >>1612457 welp, i'm out. good luck

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 07:48:25 2013 No.1612462 >>1612100 That'd be cool, but like I said I'm designing a house. So movement and gesture exaggeration won't help in this instance. And yes, this is the first time I've came to this specific thread....

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:13:25 2013 No.1612471 >>1612462 It depends on what you are looking for; if you are drawing a fairytale-like or fantasy building, you should definitly try bending the lines, even for architectural stuff to make it more alive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:19:56 2013 No.1612476 >>1612471 A stylized real world home.... It's ultimately for a 3D modeling class. But obviously I have to draw it before I can model it..

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:28:27 2013 No.1612478 File: 60 KB, 454x340, 666.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i want to improve

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:54:14 2013 No.1612492 >>1612478 You're styling too much. It looks like you learned those eyes from other drawings, but forgot to understand them.

Conmana Wed Dec 18 08:59:44 2013 No.1612493
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I'm out of my element here doodskies I figure you guys can help me out

I'm doing a commission for a furry (that Christmas money makes me do evil things)

So right now it feels too intense

Also im trying to push the eyes way the fuck out as the main focal point I guess I can call them sex eyes?

I guess I can maybe make her lip biting with the cat tooth visible or partially winking though I feel that might end up looking derpy

Sorry Im walking in the dark here
if anyone knows some artists that paint furries that would be great

like paint paint
googles just giving me some run of the mill nonsense

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:05:14 2013 No.1612497 >>1612478 You drew a straight guideline in the middle of the ball, implying the viewer's eye level is here. But you drew the eyes and eyebrows in perspective as if we were looking up at the face. it can't work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:21:44 2013 No.1612504 File: 11 KB, 259x194, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612410 >Criticizing a crititque. >Giving shit critique himself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:32:14 2013 No.1612510 >>1612434 >it's been board culture since forever. You are not the board You are not a spokesperson for the board You are not an ambassador for the board You aren't even its historian. Thisisntyourclubhouse.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 11:11:51 2013 No.1612559 >>1612493 >I'm doing a commission for a furry Is he that guy with the striped furry OC, I see her everywhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 11:13:51 2013 No.1612561 >>1612559 >that guy with the striped furry OC You just described about 30% of the furry fandom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 11:19:07 2013 No.1612567 >>1612561 Maybe that's why I see it everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:14:55 2013 No.1612608 >>1612240 >>1612268 Uh... except for a few similarities these aren't that similar! Definitively not over-referencing (if he/she even used that as a ref, could very easily be something else)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:27:55 2013 No.1612618 >>1612493 Muddy as shit color and small value range. Get a more interesting light source and get some complimentary colors going in your mixing. It doesn't have to be Ruan Jia-tier opalescence, just made the colors less dead looking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:40:56 2013 No.1612629 >>1612618 >small value range Don't you know that small value range is the sign of a seasoned professional? That's called aerial perspective nooblet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 13:32:29 2013 No.1612674 File: 1.96 MB, 400x225, wPg8h9Q.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612629 oh fuck 10/10 mad as fuck troaled hard

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 13:43:59 2013 No.1612681 File: 37 KB, 444x720, taiga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Triying some Taigas.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 13:50:29 2013 No.1612685

>>1612478
Adjust your guidelines so that you live by them once you create them. Otherwise you will practice them having no meaning.

If you drew the horizontal guideline first, then place the eyes on it evenly. Guidelines are there to create the logic of your image. It's ok to deviate from them as you go, but if you do, then change or erase the guidelines.

I'm speaking so strongly about this because that's all that is present in this image and you didn't ask any questions. If you are scared of an overly negative response from posting more, I can't blame you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 13:52:29 2013 No.1612686 >>1612681 cute, but not much more

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 13:58:01 2013 No.1612689

>>1612493
I'm going to mention right off the bat that I find this image offensively furry.

Now that that's out of the way, there are a number of things to mention. First, anatomy-wise, the origin of the ears doesn't seem to make sense. If you consider the position of ears on any mammal with ears on the top of its head, they are rarely that close to the front of the head. If you had wished to include them in the framing the you should change how the image is cropped.

You're working with some really weird ultra-soft studio-ish lighting. While I prefer the direct impression one gets from single-source direct lighting, you're welcome to continue with the diffuse light if you feel you can pull it off. As for painting furries, you could just look up paintings of animals or something. If you're looking for reference on how to draw skin-fur, just find pictures of short-haired animals, I imagine cats & dogs would be easy to find helpful images.

If you want to make the eyes more of a focal point, then use brighter colors in order to utilize contrast. Also experiment with re-framing the image.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 14:05:31 2013 No.1612701

>>1612681
Nice lines, and good imitation. The body lacks convincing form, and you have to work on hands, which is tough, I know. A good way to practice is to first draw the hand as if it is a single large mass, including the fingers (sort of a block-in method).

She's posed as if she is resting the wooden sword on her shoulder, but it's actually floating, making the pose seem awkward. Anchor the hand and sword in the proper position, and try taking the pose yourself to get the rest of the arm in place.

Also, try drawing the entire body. Once you've created a more coherent explanation for the legs it will look more convincing when you crop it. You should force yourself to draw in such a way that if you end up drawing to the edge of the page, you start over. Always give yourself room.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 20:39:24 2013 No.1612911 File: 153 KB, 744x963, jestercolorsmall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Attempt at cell shading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 21:41:14 2013 No.1612929 >>1612324 Typical condescending aspie asshole. Go fuck yourself with a broom handle and bleed to death from your rectum, fucking faggot. Think you're better than everyone else. Narcissistic motherfucker. I hope you fucking die in a fire.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 22:03:44 2013 No.1612934

>>1612453
I get the point you're making. I think some people in this thread are not yet ready for critiques or any sort of completed work in that matter. Fundamental mistakes are not usually improved with correction/critiques. You have to see the mistakes and know how to improve them yourself and the only way to do that is keep practicing and observing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 22:23:14 2013 No.1612943 >>1612929 But he's completely right. His condescension gets a pass because the original critique was fucking -bad-.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 22:51:44 2013 No.1612964 File: 39 KB, 480x640, 1375031723018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612929 >BAWWW MUH FEELINGS ARE HURT! better prove how wrong you are by calling you a bunch of names! Perhaps Deviantart is a better place for edgy children like you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 23:26:50 2013 No.1612991 >>1612929 I'm sorry that you mistake the truth with condescension.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 00:10:37 2013 No.1613017 File: 342 KB, 563x509, 1386615763561.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1612929 SOME ONE LEGITIMATELY MAD

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 00:14:37 2013 No.1613018 File: 38 KB, 576x251, Sketchbook_54_redux.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610325 Am I kawaii ^///^??

Conmana Thu Dec 19 00:48:38 2013 No.1613029
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Working on some advice from anons
Changed ear location
Attempting to blow out certain portions to 70-90% value range

Making the Fur more Fluff

Cropped Entire thing in (shamefru dispray)

Bumping Shadow range to high saturation
Bumping eye saturation - Needs second color perhaps a blue or gray- mildly saturated

Seems like the hair is sort of layered in a sense portions of fluff on fluff for this Im probably going to couple a soft brush with a wet mixing brush - Perhaps Smudge tool to get color distortion - Possible fix unlikely

For Comp color only thing I can think of is to change the backround to a desaturated blue

Sorry for rambling

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:58:43 2013 No.1613061 File: 169 KB, 1240x1754, FACE6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this better? I admit my foundation is not strong, and this is a study on Murata Range. Thx everyone for helping me

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 02:30:30 2013 No.1613081
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>>1613061
I don't mean to discourage you, but no matter how close you get to Murata's rendering, it's worthless if you can't keep a consistent impression of anatomy.

This is a quick sketch of your apparent body alignments, and how I would have done a block-in.

I'd like to point out that many master painters started their work by drawing, so I strongly recommend learning the basics of the block-in etc. before you try to learn to render in color. When you block something in, at least you can tell when something makes sense, to the point where you've learned the anatomical rules.

In order to fix this image, you're gonna have to do some erasing, which is convenient for you since you are working digitally.

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 02:33:30 2013 No.1613082
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>>1613061

Worry about your drawing first before trying to make finished colored works.

Murata's a really hard guy to copy because he really knows how to make features shrink and grow in perspective and make it look easy. He also can draw realistic faces very well because he has those foundations.

I'm the anon with the yipes pic earlier, I really wasn't directing my wrath toward you. You have some decent potential with coloring, just get your drawing underneath up to scratch.

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 02:34:30 2013 No.1613083

>>1613029
Well, it seems to be coming along rather well, though it looks like a person that just painted herself and that kinda enters the uncanny valley. You'd have to explore anthropomorphic art, which I wouldn't wish on you, but if the money's good it may be worth it.

As it is, I think it'll come out nicely if you reinforce the form lighting, because some parts of the image still look flat (such as the hair and arms), but I reckon that's because you haven't gotten to those parts yet.

>>	today is so cold Anonymous Thu Dec 19 04:26:52 2013 No.1613130 File: 51 KB, 1038x686, WARM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My fingers are freeze So draw simple things

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 04:50:22 2013 No.1613135 File: 255 KB, 1356x1316, Inori Christmas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1610325 Still learning. CnC please

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 04:52:52 2013 No.1613136 >>1610325 Still learning. CnC please. 4chan hates this file size and too lazy to resize http://imgur.com/D8c26Gi

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 07:07:59 2013 No.1613159 File: 52 KB, 1000x800, demhips--18-12-2013.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't into hands. Or much of the female or male anatomy for that matter. Or perspective. Or coloring. Or interesting gestures...more at eleven.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 07:12:59 2013 No.1613161 >>1613159 that's because you're drawing in 2d mindset, learn to draw basic 3d forms and placing them spatially. and if you don't know anatomy and all those other stuff then start getting resources to learn from.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 09:11:23 2013 No.1613209 >>1613018 you are trying too hard

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 09:36:24 2013 No.1613214 >>1613029 i'm sorry, but the colors are poop and your rendering is poop and the pose is uninteresting and the subject matter is poop. learn to scrap your work and start anew.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 09:37:24 2013 No.1613215 >>1613214 your mom is poop

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 09:47:54 2013 No.1613217 >>1613159 Never too early to start learning anatomy/construction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 10:18:26 2013 No.1613228 >>1613130 ur so cute :3

Conmana Thu Dec 19 11:24:55 2013 No.1613261

>>1613214
Crit emotional damage

If I could change the subject matter to a badass knight fighting ultra megazoid thunder dragons from space, I would. UInfortunately thats not what this commission allows :(

Bust commission from front facing view
watchu want me to change it to 3/4s with a 1600s lighting scenario watchu thinkan boi

Ive got you covered on that last part I drop stuff all day erry day

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 11:31:55 2013 No.1613265 >>1613261 >shitty everything >excuses Pick 2

>>	Conmana Thu Dec 19 11:38:55 2013 No.1613268 >>1613265 damn it anon im making jokes and you're here trying to troll me Wakaflaka4lyf

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 11:44:55 2013 No.1613273 >>1613261 wow conmana, i didn't even realize this was you. it's not up to your usual standard. guess you're just really good at rendering armor. Your shadows still look too desaturated imo.

Conmana Thu Dec 19 11:56:55 2013 No.1613279
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>>1613273
understandable mang
Soft surface rendering im pretty scrub at learning a few things from this which is good

The saturation is pretty crazy in the dark bits maybe I should desaturate into saturation actually thats not a half bad idea

If I did this 10 million times maybe I could do some super speedy furries but uhh..This is more of quick cash out deal. Pretty crazy what these guys pay especially for the gay stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:01:55 2013 No.1613281 >>1613279 Don't sell your soul for gay furry money, dude! It's not worth it!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:04:55 2013 No.1613282 >>1613279 loopsided, try flipping it to see but then again just for money doesn't really worth the trouble.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:04:55 2013 No.1613284 >>1613281 it's that or suck dick on a street corner man's gotta eat

Conmana Thu Dec 19 12:14:55 2013 No.1613289

>>1613282

Thanks fixed it

>>1613281
Unfortunately - >>1613284
anon is right I need monz and any decent paying freelance stuff is way out of my league

I can either lowball myself and get screwed orrrr
Get mad dosh from furries...Sucks really I hope I can start supporting myself off my fantasy stuff sometime.

Such if life
Then again perhaps im not searching hard enough or not spending enough time on my knights to buttblast people

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:23:55 2013 No.1613292
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>>1613279

Look up Vera Mundis, he doesn't paint every furstrand, his stuff is more like solid matte midtone rendering + light and shadow with tufts of fur here and there.

If you want to do more of this in the future, rip from the best nawmsayin?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:33:33 2013 No.1613300 >>1613292 Damn that skin is juicy as fuck, part realistic, part clay, part soft fur, awesome. Too bad I will never be able to render like that

>>	Conmana Thu Dec 19 12:57:34 2013 No.1613319 File: 114 KB, 908x908, skook.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sketch for different client >>1613292 I guess once I get to rendering ill simplify tone it down and go for certain areas hinting at the idea of some type of feather I suppose

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 17:57:17 2013 No.1614034 File: 477 KB, 707x800, 545745548.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So what are you guys doing for Christmas?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 17:59:47 2013 No.1614035 >>1614034 Work. Such is life for a State employee.

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 18:09:17 2013 No.1614041
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>>1613082
Wait... that's the dude who managed the Power Instinct series' artwork!

Holy shit. I should go play Groove-On-Fight again. That game had sick artwork too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:03:03 2013 No.1614122 File: 299 KB, 1200x1600, Image122020132000111.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I feel like my animus are mediocre, but I dont know how to push myself to do better. >inb4 loomis been there done that

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:11:03 2013 No.1614125 >>1614122 Work on your perspective and learn some god damn anatomy. Also more Vilppu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:13:03 2013 No.1614126 >>1614125 Exactly what aspects of anatomy are improper?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:18:08 2013 No.1614129 >>1614122 Way below mediocre. It'd be a waste of time to list what's wrong anatomically, she's missing a ribcage for christ's sake.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:23:08 2013 No.1614131 >>1614129 >it would be a waste of time What are you doing on 4chan then? Just redline it instead of acting like your opinions mean anything at face value.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:28:22 2013 No.1614135 >>1614131 there's no need for a redline. Just learn some anatomy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:31:22 2013 No.1614141 >>1614135 Well what bloody parts of anatomy then? The shoulders? The arms? Neck? I know she has no ribcage, the idea is that she just has a small waist but I might as well give her a more pronounced ribcage.

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:58:22 2013 No.1614146
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>>1614122
>>1614141

It hurts to be told to get out and stop being a newfag but it's exactly what you're doing right now.

Come back when you have something that warrants critique.

If this is even a sincere post and not a troll

>lined paper

Really?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 21:59:52 2013 No.1614147 >>1614146 Well fuck you I had notebooks left over. Guess I came to the wrong board for artwork critique.

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 22:19:52 2013 No.1614152

>>1614147
Not that anon but as much as I oppose his way of critiquing, he does raise a good point. Lined paper is just plain annoying. Not much wrong with it but at least make an effort by using normal blank paper.

That said, Lined paper is a good way to practice some proportions but by then you might as well use grid paper.

Problem with lined/grid paper though is that it can sometimes make drawn lines look uneven or even crooked because of muh optical illusions. Takes some getting used to.

Again, if you're really adamant on practicing and getting gud you probably should use blank paper/canvas. It's just better that way

peace

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 23:25:44 2013 No.1614168
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>>1614122
>>1614131

The last thing you want to do is mimic me because we're both absolute beginners however here is my attempt at a "redline" but I could not use your drawing as it is a symbol of what you tried to show with your drawing.

What I'm trying to communicate to you here are Basic Forms in Perspective. Instead of going overly anatomical I only used a simple oval/sphere for the ribcage and tried to direct your eye on where the corners of the ribcage (might) be.

Notice how I am trying to describe form by going "around" it and "across" the forms to show you the direction it is going. I used Loomis's divided ball and plane for the head and yes I started off with a circle but I tried to "build it" using his techniques found in Fun with a Pencil.

Unless other Anons want to invest time and effort drawing from imagination to show what you tried to draw, you're all I am probably going to get. We both need to read the Sticky.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 23:35:48 2013 No.1614175 File: 126 KB, 566x476, bboy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] slightly photoshopped version of a guy I drew for a flyer/poster

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 23:38:48 2013 No.1614177 >>1614168 That really sheds some light on some of my problems. I used a really simple rig. I'll add more bones next time I think, and be back with something that will hopefully warrant critique.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 00:05:48 2013 No.1614189 File: 1.98 MB, 250x187, 1386999159495.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614177 OH MY GOD DO NOT TAKE ADVICE FROM MIKUFAG

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 00:07:18 2013 No.1614192 >>1614189 Should I take yours instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 00:17:48 2013 No.1614200 >>1614189 Have any better advice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 01:11:05 2013 No.1614220 >>1614189 His advice is solid faggot

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 01:25:08 2013 No.1614224
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>>1614192
>>1614200

Oh my god I had like a page and a half of a lesson plan made but something happened on the quick reply box disappeared.

FUCK

Maybe tomorrow, newfriends

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 01:41:08 2013 No.1614226 >>1614224 ;_;

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 02:22:40 2013 No.1614231

>>1611279
this is EXACTLY why i don't bother posting in this thread ever. im at such a low level, i don't even see the point in posting my art because it just is going to boil down to "practice, loomis, etc".

i just want to get to a level where i have problems that can be addressed instead of looking at my completed work and sobbing that i spent so long on something so shitty.

would you equate people watching your art on an art site or tumblr some kind of meter as to you improving? i feel so, as why would anyone bother with shit art, right?

i really don't know why i even bother lurking here, it's not like im going to learn anything from reading the posts or asking for help i can't get due to skill level. maybe in another year i can post again and i'll have something art related to ask, redlined or bitched at because of poor fundamentals/skill/anatomy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 02:37:10 2013 No.1614234 >>1614122 All of it. Especially the arm oh my god. When people say learn some anatomy they mean you need to study /everything/. Non of this even remotely correct, not to sound mean or anything but you really need to work on that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 02:58:41 2013 No.1614237 >>1614122 >>1614131 This is kind of hard to redline because there really is so much off that its pretty much a whole new drawing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 03:00:40 2013 No.1614238 File: 2.88 MB, 3400x1578, redline4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614237 forgot pic

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 03:04:45 2013 No.1614240

>>1614231
You're thinking about artistic progress as if it where in set levels.
There's no such thing. There is only knowledge and diligence. If you can't handle those things, you won't improve at all.

Perhaps you shouldn't come here. You're clearly far too enraptured in your own ego to let your flaws be torn away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 03:07:45 2013 No.1614243 >>1614122 >>inb4 loomis >been there done that ...Are you sure?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 04:00:48 2013 No.1614261 >>1614238 you should leave redlining to people who are better

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 04:24:05 2013 No.1614276 >>1614261 That redline is ten times better than the blue one.

>>	Lefty Sat Dec 21 05:21:22 2013 No.1614290 File: 573 KB, 1139x709, 1387621273279.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614122 redline cause im bored you really need way more practice before you can benefit from a redline

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 06:00:38 2013 No.1614294 >>1614290 The breasts and bra is almost in front view while the rest of the torso is tilted, the center of the breasts is not even lining up with the center of the collarbone.

>>	Lefty Sat Dec 21 06:03:38 2013 No.1614295 >>1614294 yeah i dont usually draw breasts : /

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 06:27:56 2013 No.1614297 File: 831 KB, 1386x922, dontdothis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614122

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 07:27:56 2013 No.1614311 File: 250 KB, 1200x800, 1387591422067.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614122 We Redline Day now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 07:33:26 2013 No.1614313 >>1614168 Yo mikufag. Have you tried using box forms? I think one problem with your drawings is that it's too "round".

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:03:02 2013 No.1614341 >>1612911 >burn & dodge the shadow are VERY light and don't seem to be placed with any thought. Practice shading some simple shapes and learn to apply shapes to a body. tl;dr More loomis

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:20:02 2013 No.1614347 >>1614122 >been there done that so you just read the book and decided that's it, or what? that drawing is more or less un-redlinable because everything about it is fucked. redlining that would be more like a redrawing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:22:02 2013 No.1614349 >>1612911 Heavier shadows, commit to the light source more and put a wider range of shade on the face especially. Also bleeding on the shoulder to the right, and the top of the cane's hat

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:28:22 2013 No.1614353
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>>1614122
>mediocre
don't flatter yourself, toots

>lined paper
At what point did this seem like a good idea?

breasts are starting too high and are connected as some bizarre uniboob and are far too circular, does she not have nipples? Because I don't see a shirt anywhere. Also the shoulders are far too wide for a young female.

>Inb4 loomis, been there done that
doubt.png

Is this a serious post or are we all being trolled?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 10:25:53 2013 No.1614378 >>1614122 >been there done that So you downloaded Loomis, scrolled through the first book in about 5 minutes, and copied a few drawings out of it? Then I haven't a clue what you could be missing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 10:46:09 2013 No.1614382 File: 206 KB, 1200x1600, redlinerwer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614122 my first attempt at animu Am i gonna make it /a/nons? :3

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 10:52:09 2013 No.1614383 >>1614313 Yep I'm starting to work on that but I don't want to rush myself without fully understanding what I am currently doing first.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 10:56:39 2013 No.1614385

>>1614382
The torso seems to be facing me while at the same time the head is turned away I tried to twist and turn my torso in the same fashion as your drawing and felt very uncomfortable.

Take the pose, try and see if you can duplicate what you drew yourself.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:05:13 2013 No.1614389

>>1614385
>The torso seems to be facing me while at the same time the head is turned away
what?
like.. are you implying people cant turn their heads? I mean I notice the torso is wacky but what you are saying i really dont understand. Can you redline my redline?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:10:43 2013 No.1614391 >>1614389 Dobson? Is that you? Anyways, it seems too extreme of a turn as if the torso is facing directly flat at me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:14:43 2013 No.1614393 >>1614389 Observe this redline here, notice how the torso is turned with the head as you can clearly read the direction where it is turning since this Anon has described it for you. >>1614311

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:20:14 2013 No.1614396
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>>1614391
>>1614393
but.. thats the direction I drew the torso in. Idk how u guys see it looking straight at you. Maybe the crop doesnt make it clear enough. I resized it and drew this. Like.. I dont really see what you are trying to say. If you still feel the same after this image, could you please redline so I can fix it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:23:13 2013 No.1614398 >>1614396 Yeah, next time don't crop out important details that help the viewer see what your drawing is doing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:54:13 2013 No.1614408 File: 40 KB, 482x708, hhh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't foreshorten this arm, can you guys help me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:15:43 2013 No.1614412 File: 191 KB, 800x800, wat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] first attempt at animu-ing how do you people even do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:25:43 2013 No.1614415 File: 159 KB, 482x708, 0033.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614408

>>	tehmeh Sat Dec 21 12:33:18 2013 No.1614418 >>1614415 fail

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:31:05 2013 No.1614429 >>1614415 you made it worse

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:10:35 2013 No.1614436 >>1614408 keep the size of the fist the same, shorten the arm and reduce the downward angle a bit.. till it looks right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:29:12 2013 No.1614457 File: 459 KB, 800x1000, fgjr5343.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614408

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:31:42 2013 No.1614458 File: 284 KB, 700x800, ghjtt6762.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614415

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:33:12 2013 No.1614459 File: 284 KB, 700x800, ghjtt6762.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614408

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:41:59 2013 No.1614461 >>1614459 Not that Anon, but hahah I almost had the same idea of how to approach this foreshortening of the arm; Perspective is finally making sense now. Thank you Teal.

>>	tehmeh Sat Dec 21 15:44:59 2013 No.1614462 File: 162 KB, 482x611, gsdfs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614459 here, i overlayed it for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:49:28 2013 No.1614465 >>1614459 I'm definitely going to study this.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:13:58 2013 No.1614470

>>1614459
That's invaluable, thank you very much indeed. I will be using this to study for sure.
>>1614462
I truly appreciate it. It appears so simple now. I lack that fundamental knowledge for foreshortening it seems because I couldn't even get my head around it and this is so far from what I imagined.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:21:28 2013 No.1614472 >come back to thread >redlines fucking everywhere Well I must admit through the profanity and insults I am actually learning quite a lot about what I messed up. Thanks guys. Got a big old piece of blank paper out right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:34:28 2013 No.1614475 >>1614462 >>1614470 Don't overlay, and don't try to copy. This is not about making small changes to your drawing. Focus on the logic and the process/procedure of the drawing instead.

>>	tehmeh Sat Dec 21 16:38:58 2013 No.1614476 File: 253 KB, 557x720, tlc_mel_bochner_08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614475 do you even draw? drawing is all about making changes and fixing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:44:58 2013 No.1614480 >>1614476 I think he means that you should learn how to reproduce that effect for all drawings in the future instead of just fixing the one temporary problem.

>>	tehmeh Sat Dec 21 16:50:58 2013 No.1614484 >>1614480 i'm not arguing the validity of learning construction, but to say that you shouldn't make "small changes" to your drawing is asinine vomit.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:55:48 2013 No.1614489 [DELETED]

>>1614484

Making "small changes" means he's not constructing fresh, which means he's not learning how to draw for himself.

There is no point to copying that, or any other correction, because there is no one answer. What if his character were stronger, or skinnier, or his forearm is longer, or the camera was closer to the hand? All of these can change the outcome.

If he learns the logic of the drawing, he can place the hand in any number of positions, as demonstrated in that image, and draw it convincingly.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 17:01:17 2013 No.1614496

I'll just direct this to the artist who actually wants to learn.

Making "small changes" means you're not constructing fresh, which means you're not learning how to draw for yourself.

There is no point to copying that, or any other correction, because there is no one answer. What if the character were stronger, or skinnier, or the forearm is longer, or the camera was closer to the hand? All of these can change the outcome, and I don't know what you have in mind. Only you know what you want.

Learn the logic of the drawing, and you can place the hand in any number of positions, as demonstrated in that image, and draw it convincingly.

>>	tehmeh Sat Dec 21 17:03:17 2013 No.1614499 >>1614489 no, making small changes" doesn't mean not constructing fresh. for one thing, even construction can be faulty. making changes/fixing means correcting your unavoidable mistakes. NOT to do that is a big, big mistake.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 17:10:17 2013 No.1614506

>>1614499
that logic works when you actually realize your own mistakes, and how to solve them.

When someone else points out the mistake for you via redline and you overlay it with your own drawing and go from there, you aren't learning anything, you're just copying what someone else told you to do.

if someone redlines the fix for you, it's better to still do it again completely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 17:16:47 2013 No.1614509 >>1614506 Sorta like if you teach a man a fish etc

>>	tehmeh Sat Dec 21 17:18:17 2013 No.1614510 >>1614506 are you trying to say that we shouldn't make redlines? if redlines don't teach you anything, we should just ignore people who are asking for them?

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 17:27:17 2013 No.1614515

>>1614510
>are you trying to say that we shouldn't make redlines?

holy reading comprehension, batman!
No that's not what I'm saying. Redlines are great.
I'm talking about the way redlines are used, and this: >>1614462 is most definitely NOT how you use redlines.

Redlines are meant to show how another artist (who is hopefully more experienced than the original artist) would fix a the problem, and hopefully said redline has some explanation as to why he fixed it in the way that he did.
Then the person receiving the redline should look at it, read all the shit, and then go "oh that's how I can fix it", and then proceed to fix it HIMSELF, in his OWN way, NOT by tracing the redline, because everyones redline has a hint of stylistic choice included whether they intend it or not.

After receiving a redline, one should not expect the problem to be solved automatically. Redlines are supposed to guide you to the right direction, but they do not solve the problems themselves

tehmeh Sat Dec 21 17:34:17 2013 No.1614520

>>1614515
well that goes without saying. in the end you are still going to draw it similarly to the redline and in the end it's going to look like a copy without being an actual copy, because if it's too different, it's going to look wrong, unless you decide to move the arm or whatever you are drawing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:18:17 2013 No.1614532 File: 86 KB, 595x770, smallolicolor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trying to do cell shading... how is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:30:17 2013 No.1614534 >>1614261 Eh I hurt my wrist so I had to do that with my left hand so yeah it's pretty shitty, that anon wanted to know what was wrong with it so I was just pointing it out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:30:17 2013 No.1614535 >>1614532 light source is unconsistent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:36:17 2013 No.1614537 inconsistent huh? yeah... new to this color and shading thing... need to watch a tutorial or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:42:47 2013 No.1614543 >>1614537 click the number in the post to reply to the post itself so people know who you're talking to

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:46:17 2013 No.1614546 File: 292 KB, 1200x1600, Image122120131733471.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I redid my terrible animu. I don't think it got any better though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:47:17 2013 No.1614547 ok... thnx

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:50:47 2013 No.1614549 slightly better, maybe use more anatomy reference. uh uh... learn 2 loomis faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:03:17 2013 No.1614555 >>1614546 Dear fucking god. You say you did Loomis, but I ain't having that shit. There's no way in fuck you actually read any of his books.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:06:17 2013 No.1614558 File: 913 KB, 500x375, tumblr_magvo8Bf6b1rzbn8ko1_500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1614546 >I don't think it got any better though. We spent half of the thread explaining to you why that is

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:12:17 2013 No.1614562 >>1614546 You remind me of me last year :3 Keep at it, don't stop drawing you'll improve but please put some time and effort in Loomis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:27:47 2013 No.1614568 >>1614562 >>1614555 >>1614558 Alright, fuck it. I'm gonna quit, take a nice long re-read of EVERYTHING Andrew Loomis has written, and then start from scratch with learning how to draw the outline of a skull. Then I'll come back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:29:47 2013 No.1614569 >>1614568 by reading you mean doing the exercises, right? That's what you did the first time around, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:35:17 2013 No.1614574 >>1614569 Well yeah. You cant learn drawing from just reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:36:48 2013 No.1614575 >>1614574 good. you just need to draw more and put more thought into drawing. you know, construction and all that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:40:17 2013 No.1614579 >>1614575 I try to put a lot of thought into what I'm going to draw. I guess I just dont have the skills to back it up though.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:47:47 2013 No.1614581
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>>1614568

Protip: Learn perspective before trying to learn anatamoos

Start with these and Scott Roberstons Perspective and Rendering Matte surfaces Gnomon dvds. (on cgpeers or gfxpeers, I forget which one.)

You'll thank me later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 20:21:59 2013 No.1614594 >>1614581 not the anon you're replying to, but I found the CA thread on perspective a lot clearer, albeit less technical. http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1485584

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 21:05:35 2013 No.1614630 New Thread: >>1614626 >>1614626 >>1614626

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 21:07:35 2013 No.1614635 File: 1010 KB, 2000x2000, forms.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 21:10:38 2013 No.1614641 File: 103 KB, 572x900, 56456.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:19:07 2013 No.1614730 >>1614641 dude miku, you dont need so many guidelines

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:26:38 2013 No.1614776 >>1614730 I'll tone them down a bit and focus on more important details, thanks.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 10:16:24 2013 No.1617173
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This one's drawing from imagination, how much more Hampton do I need? A redline or just pointing out errors would be great too

Also, what's a good ratio for drawing from imagination and drawing from observation?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 11:03:28 2013 No.1617193 >>1617173 There's a new thread. This one has autosaged. >>1614630

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