Best advice you ever had >>squint your eyes

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Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:38:29 2013 No.1591850 [DELETED]

Best advice you ever had

>>squint your eyes

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:38:58 2013 No.1591851 >>1591850 >Flip your canvas horizontally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:39:58 2013 No.1591852 >>1591850 >Needs more Loomis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:42:29 2013 No.1591853 >Drop the animango

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:47:29 2013 No.1591858 >Stop browsing /ic/ you baka

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:51:28 2013 No.1591861 >Fucking kill yourself already, fag. You're not good at art

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:53:28 2013 No.1591863 >draw what you like but not what you know

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:56:29 2013 No.1591866 >Get a job and stop living in your mome's basement

Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:56:29 2013 No.1591867

>one of the keys to learning how to draw is drawing alot
>along with effort, you should to focusing on the right things like getting basic fundamentals of drawing down
>even the most boring subject matter can be a great visual experience for the viewer, always take advantage of technique and composition
>always draw from life

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:57:28 2013 No.1591868 >>1591850 >>>squint your eyes i never understood this. is this traditional's way of working with the thumbnail? but then it would be a draft. maybe squinting is required to look like chinese artist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 17:57:58 2013 No.1591869 >If the value and temperature are correct, the color doesn't really matter

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:01:28 2013 No.1591871 >the body is made out of S curves

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:02:58 2013 No.1591872 >>1591868 A lot of beginner's tend to get lost in details. By squinting, they the overview of the whole back and can pick up some glaring errors. Or, you can use it in the beginning to prevent getting distracted by the tiny little details.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:12:29 2013 No.1591876 >Read the fucking Sticky.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:13:28 2013 No.1591877 >Git gud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:15:58 2013 No.1591879 >>1591850 >don't suck so bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:24:29 2013 No.1591886 >>1591871 No, that's the gesture, and a gesture can also have C curves and straight lines.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:30:58 2013 No.1591890 >>1591872 that's a rather discreet / unclear advice for the beginners. working in thumbnail size (or zoomed out) achieves the same thing and doesn't require straining your eyes. even "wear beer goggles" would be more to the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:30:58 2013 No.1591891 >Popularity beats Skill.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:32:58 2013 No.1591892 >>1591891 haha. ha.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 18:39:59 2013 No.1591897 >>1591868 Also good for getting the value sorted, both from the model and comparing it to the canvas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:12:19 2013 No.1591925 >>1591891 Sure, if your goal is to get deviantart fangirls to comment on your naruto fanart. Not if you want to actually get well paid client work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:15:19 2013 No.1591927 >>1591892 Did they strike a nerve there, Anon :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:15:19 2013 No.1591930 >>1591850 >Maybe we should try the other hole. vagina was suprisignly good

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:24:49 2013 No.1591942 Draw using straight lines before moving on to curved ones.

Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:50:50 2013 No.1591954

>>1591868
To add on to what >>1591872 and >>1591897 said, it is really necessdary for understanding the main masses and main read of the image, as well as organizing the various hierarchies of the image (in value, colour, edgework, shape, detail, etc). Richard Schmid repeatedly goes into detail discussing the value of squinting in his book Alla Prima.

It is NOT a beginner tool. EVERY GOOD PRO squints. And yes, it is different from viewing it as a thumbnail or blurring your eyes. The fact that you are looking through the "screen" of your eyelashes means the image your eye receives is different and more useful. Again, Schmid discusses this at length in his book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:51:50 2013 No.1591955 >>1591954 Meant to say it is not JUST a beginner tool. Everyone should be using it regardless of skill level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:53:19 2013 No.1591957 >>1591850 >stop using chicken scratch

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:56:50 2013 No.1591959 >>1591850 >squint your eyes Is this because it will help us draw like the Korean artists?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 19:58:20 2013 No.1591960 >>1591957 this, doesn't make you good, but atleast you don't suck

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 04:50:36 2013 No.1592257 >When you draw, you're telling a story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:05:07 2013 No.1592261 The nose should point in the direction of the face. Seriously, my mind was blown

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:26:06 2013 No.1592267 >>1592261 >The eyebrows are above the eyes. Seriously, my mind was blown

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:28:36 2013 No.1592268 >>1592261 >the face consists of two eyes, the mouth and the nose Seriously, my mind was blown

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:41:06 2013 No.1592272 >>1592261 >people have 10 fingers Seriously, my mind was blown

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:48:36 2013 No.1592275 >>1592261 The left ear is always at the exact opposite of the right ear. Seriously, my mind was blown.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:54:36 2013 No.1592276 >>1592275 no it isn't, almost always there's a little bit of asymmetry with ears

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:54:36 2013 No.1592277 >>1592261 >The eyeball is spherical. Seriously, my mind was blown

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:55:37 2013 No.1592278 >>1592272 8 fingers and two thumbs*

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 06:05:36 2013 No.1592283 >>1592278 Seriously, my mind is blown

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 06:15:06 2013 No.1592285 >If it looks wrong, it is wrong

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 06:15:38 2013 No.1592284 >>1592276 u wot m8

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 06:22:36 2013 No.1592286 >>1592277 but it isn't

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 06:28:37 2013 No.1592287
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>>1591850
>"observing with narrow eyes is brutal actually as the the scattering of lights is eradicated with only the main lights left. in this way, the somatosenosry and the overall sense obtained best reflects the relationship between the degrees of intensity in the full field"

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 06:44:36 2013 No.1592291 >>1592287 i always disregarded that little article by linran as pseudointellectual, attentionwhoring art-nerd-entitledom. should i reconsider my stance?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 07:13:06 2013 No.1592298 >It probably looks bad because the perspective is flawed Thanks teal

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 07:21:07 2013 No.1592301 >Just draw

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 07:22:36 2013 No.1592302 >>1592291 you certainly should look into getting a new vocabulary.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 08:07:07 2013 No.1592309 >>1592291 his word choices are obtuse but the dude obviously knows what he's doing. once you understand values, squinting is unnecessary.

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 08:26:05 2013 No.1592312

>>1592309
>>1592291
Linran doesn't even speak english. Some guy from conceptart.org has translated a bunch of his tutorials. So if you read stuff that sounds pseudointellectual, it's either because the translator couldn't find any better translation for the chinese words, or because chinese in general is probably rather difficult to translate into everyday english.

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 08:32:04 2013 No.1592314

>>1592312
>>1592309

makes sense, yeah. well fuck. there's so much wisdom hidden in posts, articles and blogs of these asian supergood artists that we are unable to get our hands on. fucking sux nomsayin

i will make another effort to understand that linran post

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 13:52:04 2013 No.1592482

>>1592287
A lot of what he talks about here is covered nicely in Schmid's Alla Prima book. Specifically, squinting as it pertains to values and edges, what to look for, and how to utilize it effectively. It's a lot easier to follow when there isn't a clear language barrier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 17:32:36 2013 No.1592615 >three values make a shape

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 17:41:07 2013 No.1592619 File: 67 KB, 949x929, 1186892_200583033449498_738399953_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How would you use or improve Infinite Whiteboard? infinitewhiteboard.com/4chan

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 17:42:07 2013 No.1592620 >>1592615 three?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 17:46:06 2013 No.1592623 File: 130 KB, 344x472, 1380746198103.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1592261 >>1592267 >>1592268 >>1592272 >>1592275 >>1592277 >>1592278 >>1592283 >>1592284 I can't feel my sides.

>>	FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I Wed Nov 20 17:47:06 2013 No.1592624 File: 163 KB, 1825x586, 9DMBL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] <-- Thanks anon. +You have to feel the shapes. -Vilppu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 17:59:36 2013 No.1592628 >>1592620 I imagine because a Tetrahedron is the simplest solid, and you can only see three of it's four sides at any one time, hence three values.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 18:37:36 2013 No.1592647 >>1592482 just shut up about that stupid book already. we don't need your viral advertising on this board. you can take your eyelash power and shove it up your ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 18:45:36 2013 No.1592653 >>1592647 How'd you escape from /v/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 18:49:36 2013 No.1592654 >>1592620 not that guy buy you need 2 to show the form, light and shadow 3rd value is to show the turning of the form, halftone/mid

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 18:57:07 2013 No.1592657 >>1591851 >>1591863 >>1592257 These ones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 24 12:19:23 2013 No.1595374 >think about it before and after you finish it, not while you're doing it

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 03:45:01 2013 No.1597174 File: 1.99 MB, 300x169, 1385391482618.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Just keep on

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 03:48:01 2013 No.1597175 >>1597174 YES YES YES

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 04:16:31 2013 No.1597185 Any of you guys know the certain phrase "Fire It Up!" by any chance?

Anonymous Wed Nov 27 05:07:08 2013 No.1597216

>Lie cheat and steal, art history is built on the familiar
>never trust brit trash, or jap junks, they have no sense of taste, look at the shit they produce
>geeks and nerds are the best suckers when it comes to art, pander to their consumption
>design first, then draw, for problems see the first advice
>always be closing
>never take advice from someone with an art degree
>entertainment art is code for making other people rich with your art
>/ic/ can go fuck themselves
>buy a gun

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 05:09:07 2013 No.1597217 >never listen to this fag >>1597216 is the best advice I ever had

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 05:13:07 2013 No.1597218 >>1597216 so much wonderful cynicism. it's like listening to a randy newman tune

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 05:15:37 2013 No.1597220 >>1597217 lel, Mine too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 05:17:37 2013 No.1597222 >>1597216 muh autism

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 05:19:07 2013 No.1597225 >>1592624 mah nigga. ive worked on the exact same ref. afterwards my piece looked dull and the pose was flat. i learned that you have to exaggerate the gesture in order to feel the pose. then you can add the forms. this ref is a good example of that

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 09:36:51 2013 No.1597295 >>1597225 same here. also failed. but that was a long time ago. i have improved alot since. might give it a shot someday soon. very true that you have to exagerate the pose abit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 10:26:22 2013 No.1597316 >You will never make a living off of painting

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 10:37:52 2013 No.1597321 >>1597316 That's no advice, that's a statement.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 10:56:22 2013 No.1597330 >Don't use soft brush

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 10:59:56 2013 No.1597332 >>1597330 terrible advice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 11:05:56 2013 No.1597336 >>1591850 you can use layers

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 11:25:26 2013 No.1597348 >>1597316 >OP said "best advice", not "worst". Losers want to tell you that you're a loser, too. I make a living off painting. Lots of people do. Ain't gonna accomplish shit with that attitude, son.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 14:15:35 2013 No.1597426 >>1597216 3edgy5me try not to cut yourself on that

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 14:53:22 2013 No.1597442 >>1591850 >need more Loomis

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 15:26:25 2013 No.1597451 >>1591850 >start using Photoshop

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 27 15:31:55 2013 No.1597456 >>1597225 Did you draw the hamster too?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 02:32:05 2013 No.1597829 >When drawing in Photoshop split the window into two >Zoom one view in as close as you need >Have the other zoomed all the way out >Let's you do details while still keeping the whole in mind So simple yet so helpful

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 06:36:34 2013 No.1597893

use every tool at your disposal, every trick, every shortcut, every new technique or tool, don't be a picky eater with art. use everything you can.

^from my first mentor

when people criticize your work, even if they hate it and treat you like shit in the process, be glad anyway because you spoke to them and they heard it. if they tell you how to fix technical things try those things and see if they work. if they just cut you down, turn away and make more stuff. if you are making art someone out there is going to hate it, so don't let them stop you.

^one of my professors

the more exposure you get, the more bullshit people will have to say about you. close your ears unless you asked for help with something. unsolicited critique is worth exactly what you paid for it.

^one of my favorite artists in the world

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 07:13:22 2013 No.1597905 >>1597829 Why not just use the photoshop navigator?

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 07:38:22 2013 No.1597909

>>1597893
That's funny. I sorta received the opposite advice from a teacher.
"Just because you have all the tools, doesn't mean you have to use them."

He was talking about how digital artists have a tendency to over-render artworks just because they have the ability to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 07:44:52 2013 No.1597912 >>1597909 the sort of airbrush look went out of fashion in digital art quite a while ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 07:47:22 2013 No.1597917 >>1597912 >following fashion

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 08:20:55 2013 No.1597934 >>1597912 Now it's the exact same except people throw photos on top as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 08:56:59 2013 No.1597953 >>1597934 Not really. Nowadays most digital artists seem to try to copy Jaime or Mullins with fancy brushwork to look as loose and painterly as possible. Tight and clean renderings have become much rarer in comparison.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 09:00:59 2013 No.1597956 >watch people >watch HARD

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 09:01:59 2013 No.1597957 >>1591850 Is that why asian artists are so good?

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 09:02:29 2013 No.1597958

>>1597953
Sure those two have their fanboys. But the guys that copy that loose look only do it for sketches really. There are very few who do a loose style for finished work.

One look at cghub and you see the trends of very tight works. Look at the stuff being pumped out for Applibot for example. More and more companies are demanding work that is more in tune with what Brad Rigney or Michael Komarck or something produce. There is definitely a trend of more use of photos and more realism with tighter paintings. You are blind if you can't see this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 09:11:29 2013 No.1597964 >>1592261 >the eyes are in the middle of the face my mind was seriously blown. not even trolling

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:00:34 2013 No.1598007

>>1597958
That's how illustration has always been. You must be new to art or something. Obviously illustrators in general will produce more finished and tighter work than concept artists because in illustration the artwork is the end product whereis in concept art it's just the idea. It's not a trend, it's simply a requirement and an industry standard for that particularly industry.

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:10:04 2013 No.1598014
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>>1598007
not so, concept art is in fact an illustration, an illustration of the concept, you understand?

in many cases concept art is used to illustrate the concept to people who are thinking of investing.

in this case the concept art is often fairly tight, a good example of this is the concept art for star wars.

concept art is a type of illustration, illustrations are designed for a purpose, the finish varies with the purpose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:14:53 2013 No.1598016 >>1597957 Because they have the discipline to work their asses off.

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:17:24 2013 No.1598019

>>1598014
Yes so, dumbass. You don't have to get all smartass on me, I know that there is a lot of quite tight and finished concept art. But at the end of the day, concept art is simply a byproduct that leads to the finished product, the concept artwork does not need to look finished and beautiful, it just needs to convey the idea and serve its purpose.

Illustrations on the other hand ARE the finished product. Whether they are magazine covers, card game illustrations, marketing posters etc, they are the product, so they need to be finished to the best of the artist's ability and it is not enough to just communicate the vision and the idea. If you don't understand that difference then you might be a bit stupid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:19:23 2013 No.1598024 >>1598007 finally someone knows wtf he is talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:20:23 2013 No.1598025 >>1591861 How are you posting this if you took that advice? >>1591867 >always draw from life Always? For myself: >take printmaking classes

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:23:53 2013 No.1598028

>>1598014
This

i even do concept art for for my concept art. in the form of thumbs and rough sketches than move on to a convergence stage and either push out a concept art or an illustration.

These to terms are used very loosely though and i think a lot of people saying they want to make concept art actaully mean illustration.

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:24:23 2013 No.1598031

>>1598019
As I went to pains to state clearly.

Sometimes concept art does need to look finished and beautiful.

Sometimes illustrations within published works don't.

I'm not sure I could be more clear than that.

I'm sure with your dubstep and your league of legends and what not it's hard to think, but try not to read into my statements above, there is no subtext.

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:30:24 2013 No.1598034
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>>1595374

Thank you for so simply articulating something that I have learned, forgotten, re-learned, tried to remind myself of, succeeded at and failed at over and over again.
Now I have it in mantra form.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:42:24 2013 No.1598039 Protip: If you don't have one yet, get a second display so you can look at full-sized reference, but can also look at your own work without looking at the reference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 11:45:10 2013 No.1598042 >>1598039 get distracted by details, scrub.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:24:10 2013 No.1598074 >>1595374 what does that even mean? of cousre i'm thinking about it before, during and after I'm done with it

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:27:40 2013 No.1598076 >>1598031 >league and dubstep? Wow is this the new mainstream now? Damn i need to get in with the times.

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:33:10 2013 No.1598082

>When drawing observationally, analyze the subject as if you've never seen it before and as if it is your job to visually explain this new foreign subject to the viewer

>You need to understand the rules before you can break them, no matter what medium you use.

>If the value and temperature are correct, you can use whatever colors you wish.

>When discussing/critiquing work, don't make value judgments such as "good" or "bad". Instead analyze whether or not the concept is matching the execution. If not, then suggest ways to make this relationship clearer.

>Art is about exceeding or pushing the status quo, not just meeting it.

>Technical skill without a voice is just decoration.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:34:40 2013 No.1598084 >>1598082 oh, and: >Work the entire picture plane, rather than detail to detail. If you were to build a house you wouldn't start with the bathroom or attic.

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:43:10 2013 No.1598095

>>1598084
Hm, there is value in working the image as a whole. But at the same time I feel like my process became TOO far in this direction. Sometimes you need to bust out some smaller brushes earlier than you think and start indicating more detail in the focal area. At least that's one of the lessons I picked up from watching Whit Brachna's painting videos.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:45:10 2013 No.1598096 >>1598084 MFW - first thing you do in building a house is lay in the piping for the bathroom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:50:10 2013 No.1598100 >>1598096 pretty sure excavating and constructing the foundation comes before sticking pipes in the ground.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:53:10 2013 No.1598101 lol.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:56:10 2013 No.1598103 >>1598100 so you lay the foundation then drill through the concrete to put the pipes in, then dig the sewer line under the foundation in like a mine shaft or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:57:11 2013 No.1598104 never lay all your eggs in one nest

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 12:58:40 2013 No.1598105 >>1598103 ok, you're correct about that. my point was about the general idea of the image being constructed first. perhaps the attic part would have been a better illustration of that. i clearly struck a nerve with you. hope you can recover.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 13:02:10 2013 No.1598106 >>1598105 two separate people

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 14:11:03 2013 No.1598140

>>1597216
>>/ic/ can go fuck themselves

This. Most of artist here are aiming to become conceptual digital artists, and give advice according to that (speaking beyond fundamentals). If you're not following that same path, all they say is:

>loomis
>sticky
>fundamentals
>VILPPU IS SO HIGH XDD FEEEEEEEL THE POSSSSEEEE, that's so ridiculous
>ANIME STYLE IS ALSO ART, BUT TUMBLR NOSES AREN'T

When it comes to art history, you guys do know your shit, which is why I still come here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 14:27:36 2013 No.1598148 >>1598140 by and large, /ic/ definitely doesn't know the first fucking thing about art history. there are a handful of anons with any real education in that department.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 14:33:06 2013 No.1598154 >>1598140 i like it how people compress a whole crowd of people into one amalgamated personality and then get pissed at that personality for having inconsistent opinions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 14:47:22 2013 No.1598161 >>1591850 pretty obvious one but >draw a rough in pencil and then use pen over it for final piece

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 17:58:16 2013 No.1598265 >>1597348 are there any people nowdays who make a good living off painting? With digital art rising and the public having no interest in paintings whatsoever I find it kind of hard to believe

Anonymous Thu Nov 28 18:55:53 2013 No.1598303

>>1598265
Sure, plenty of people make good money off it. As with anything else there will be a range, so some may barely make enough to live off of and need to supplement their income via teaching or something, while others like Howard Terpning are pulling in 6 figures for single paintings. But there are many who fall in between and make a solid income with paintings.

Don't forget that digital is only really rising in the entertainment industry. Traditional painting still has its place in the fine art world. And collectors will pay big bucks for good paintings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 19:53:56 2013 No.1598316 >>1598148 >/ic/ is all shit Okay >>1598154 Nope, not what I'm saying at all. But I like it that you like my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 28 19:54:26 2013 No.1598317 >>1591852 >>1591853 >>1591858 >>1591861 >>1591866 If you can't be clever, just abstain.

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