/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.1582276]

Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread

"Drawing is very closely related to the other creative arts, all of which are outcroppings of a desire to express individual emotion, to make the other fellow conscious of our inner feelings" - Andrew Loomis

Try to keep calm, have a positive attitude and avoid making Kind Janitor-san angry!

A general message to aspiring artists: Don't ever think that you should stop attempting to learn how to draw because "it takes too long" or "drawing is just a hobby." Being shitty at your hobby is definitely not better than doing your hobby well, no matter what your laziness tells you. Have some dedication in what you love to do, damn it!

Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.

[Insert genzoman comment here]

>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
http://www.squidoo.com/w-ic-i
>Proko
http://www.proko.com/videos/
>Ctrl+Paint
http://ctrlpaint.com/
>Hitokaku Index
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
>0033
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>List of active livestreams
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
>fellowBro's books
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
>Tutorial/Reference Collection
http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>Japanese Animu Tutorials
http://iradukai.com/
>Figures
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Keep calm, take it easy and remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

[Anonymous No.1582335]

How do some guys master anatomy so well that they seem to draw it "better" and more clearly than what you see in photos?

Is it stylized to look more attractive? Or do I just suck at at anatomy so much that I can't see it's actually wrong?

[Anonymous No.1582345]

>>1582335
The last thing you want to do is "draw what you see", it's really the worst advice anybody can give. You should draw in such a way as to communicate what is visible (or intended) in the most effective manner possible, hopefully much more effective than its present form of a photograph or real human. That's why you need to KNOW anatomy, NOT "see" it. You want to reimagine the figure through the artist's eye by removing any ambiguity and instead boldly supporting it with your understanding of its physical and anatomical construction. You should always be making choices about importance and abstraction, no copying, that's why people do short sketches instead of elaborate pieces. The photographer can't decide what's most important to fit into 20 minutes, that's your job as an artist, and a skillful re-shifting of emphasis makes an image easier and more enjoyable to read than any photograph. Read Beverly Hale's book(s).

[Anonymous No.1582349]

>>1582276
Is this pic considered good tier in Japan?

[Anonymous No.1582350]

>>1582276
Heres another attempt at me trying anime. i did the "attack on titan" in the other thread

[Anonymous No.1582354]

>>1582349
equvilant of jamie jones in concept art. in being renoun

[Anonymous No.1582358]

Is transform a real photo into an animu style drawing a good or bad practice?
I mean I will keep most of the forms the same except for the face and shading...

[Anonymous No.1582360]

>>1582349
no.

why would it be any different in japan? technique is technique, and that image isn't very consistent.
it's a mess, but most people would still consider it a decent effort though.

[Anonymous No.1582363]

[Anonymous No.1582365]

>>1582363
Face is sht

[Anonymous No.1582368]

>>1582363
das nice

[Anonymous No.1582376]

>>1582363
something wrong with the foreshortening of the hand and legs.

[Anonymous No.1582379]

>>1582350
She looks like she's falling over

[Anonymous No.1582386]

>>1582350
>>1582379
I was going for that sort of.

Here is another one, i think i have the hang of anime now.

[Anonymous No.1582388]

>>1582386
Thats all right if your depiction of anime is shit

[Anonymous No.1582403]

>>1582376
yeah, arm is way too long if you're trying to foreshorten it

The rest looks nice though.

>>1582386
>i think i have the hang of anime now.
lolwut? NO

[Anonymous No.1582409]

you guys are easily trolled, that's why everyone's picking on you.

[Anonymous No.1582410]

>>1582409
it's the underagefags

[Anonymous No.1582411]

>>1582386

[Anonymous No.1582415]

>>1582388

Most anime is shit so yeah

[Anonymous No.1582418]

>>1582388
>>1582403
>>1582411


Thanks anons took your feedback. feel this one is better.

[Anonymous No.1582430]

>>1582411
What a terrible redline, but that distasteful shit drawing doesn't deserve anything better anyway.

[Anonymous No.1582439]

>>1582411

You forgot to add the fact that her armor makes no sense in combat nor is it sexy in any way.
>>1582415
You know what else is shit? Your face, your mom and your shitposting.

[Anonymous No.1582467]

>>1582430
it was done in a few minutes and i have a disability that affects my right hand thats flaring up at the moment.

>excuses

[Anonymous No.1582473]

>>1582430
I found the redline very helpful. also what do you mean by distateful?
>>1582439
Actaully the armor does make sense , in the "blooddragon" anime universe the only way for the dragons to kill are by eating the left sholder.

Alright guys here is my third one. i spent so far the most time on this one.

Im really starting flesh out the story in my head. im pretty proud of how it came out but i need to learn how to render anime style "lol"

Thanks for all the crits.

[Anonymous No.1582481]

do you guys seriously not realize you're being trolled by the blood dragon lol

[Anonymous No.1582488]

>>1582481
>let me just point out the obvious
upboated, hope everyone in the comments section can see this
We need more retards in this thread

[Anonymous No.1582491]

>>1582439
Its female fantasy armor. It has more stats the less it covers.

[Anonymous No.1582494]

>>1582481
this kind of shit makes me Recapacitate on where to post my stuff for critique.
>Still too lame to be noticed on the drawthreads
>Anime thread is the hall of shitposters and won't get decent critique anyway.

[Anonymous No.1582498]

>>1582481
>>1582488

Hey guys not trolling, just new to anime so might come off that way i guess. I don't like doing fan art really so wnated to try and make my own anime story style.

It's basically a cross between inyuasha and attack on titan.

Here is the inital sketch of the above painting.

critique is welcome.

[Anonymous No.1582504]

>>1582363

Pinky on the outstretched hand might be too long.
Remember, the pinky ends roughly at the first ring finger knuckle.

Other than that I like how your lineart is looking with the shifts in opacity.

[Anonymous No.1582508]

>>1582363
arm is way too looooooooooooooooooong.
i hope you noticed it yourself before you refined it more

[Anonymous No.1582510]

>>1582386
>>1582418
>>1582473
>>1582498
I'm sorry, your figures are too terrible.
Learn some anatomy and reapply in 3 years.

[Anonymous No.1582514]

>>1582510
You know im the only one even posting in this thread actual art. so why don't you fuck off or post some of your own work!

It's easy to call someones stuff "Terrible" when you can't even show an example of anything you have done you coward. people lie you will never be industry artist.

[Anonymous No.1582519]

I posted >>1582187 but I can't delete it. So I'd like to just refer to it from here. I'll post this sketch instead.

[Anonymous No.1582520]

where's dat nigga cantbehelped he was improving at a meteoric rate

[Anonymous No.1582525]

>>1582520
¿que?

[Anonymous No.1582528]

>>1582520
we only speak trollenese on this board anon.

[Anonymous No.1582530]

>>1582525

this guy

[Anonymous No.1582531]

>>1582530
wow this is lovely, i wish someone with that kind of anime talent can do a paint over of my blood dragon painting

[Anonymous No.1582536]

>>1582531
>talent

There's no such thing as talent and if there is it influences very little however it is true some people learn faster than others and that's probably the only thing that comes close that can be described as "natural talent" which is in my opinion the ability to learn and pick up information and using it to your liking.

[Anonymous No.1582544]

>>1582520
the thread just started and other anons did post their work.
and why are you still here?
like i said: reapply in 3 years.

[Anonymous No.1582543]

>>1582536
well look at my drawings vs his obviously he is more talented.

[Anonymous No.1582548]

>>1582544

I wasn't even that dragon blood guy

I was just wondering about someone who was actually working at improving instead of taking a piss or arguing about stupid shit like 90% of these threads are.

[Anonymous No.1582550]

>>1582543
You're looking for excuses, don't compare yourself with others as the others have invested more time and effort which shows as fruits of their labor in their works for all to indulge in.

You need to think more objectively and focus on where you weaknesses are.

[Anonymous No.1582556]

>>1582473
>blooddragon
That's not even a real anime unless you made it up yourself. In any case, it's shit.
>>1582491
Stop justifying shit.

[Anonymous No.1582554]

>>1582550

Well it's discouraging especially when you see post saying not to post until another 3 years when i have wated 3 years to start posting online :/

feel like ill never be good enough or talented enough

[Anonymous No.1582555]

Thanks for the input /ic/.

i have no idea how to deal with the hand in the back though

[Anonymous No.1582557]

>>1582555
Always rememvber that, in a leg that is fully tucked, the heel will never pass the butt. It's an easy way not to over do it when you are bending the leg.

[Anonymous No.1582560]

>>1582556
so all anime art has to be based off pre exsisting animes? you can't create original charcters or franchises?

Seems dumb....

[Anonymous No.1582562]

>>1582554
That's just the manner /ic/ behaves in which is god in my opinion because not every thing in life is sugar coated and the reason why I love /ic/ is because the people here are blunt, frank, to the point and will tell you up front in all honesty how bad your flaws are even if they just say "it's shit" but that's just me.

I've had this discussion before you're not the only one who has been told this and even I have been told to "leave this place and come back in a year" however what that phrase should do is incite you to continue with drawing even more and ultimately show that willing to stay with it when the going gets tough.

But that's just me, develop a thick skin now and do not take everything that is said here to heart.

[Anonymous No.1582570]

>>1582562

It's just that at least to me it seems that half of the people are just spouting catchphrases because they want to seem like they belogn here.

[Anonymous No.1582586]

>>1582557
tried shortening it, but this seemed to have a slightly better silhouette as well as looked a bit more visually interesting than having the leg tucked in.

but what do i know. i would appreciate some help as i have no idea how to make it work...

[Anonymous No.1582594]

>>1582586
these feel reallly bad to me. like a human body with a dolls head. it isn't appealing at all. very uncanny.

[Anonymous No.1582653]

>>1582555

[Anonymous No.1582675]

>>1582653
Welcome back i guess

[Anonymous No.1582676]

>>1582653
Hi, Teal.

[Anonymous No.1582682]

>>1582519
The torso is placed too much forward, and the legs are a bit too small. The right leg (from my perspective) is too much turned toward us.

[Anonymous No.1582689]

>>1582682
Marked and noted. Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.1582690]

>>1582653
Amazing teal, im glad someone fixd it because i was getting tired of looking at that.

[Anonymous No.1582695]

I have troubles to place the neck properly under the head. Can you give me some tips please?

[Anonymous No.1582709]

>>1582695
Post your drawing, maybe?

[Anonymous No.1582717]

>>1582530
i'm still around. i'm really happy that someone misses me, but it's kind of a pressure when someone expects something from you.
sorry, i've been in a real rut lately. i've been so busy with school related stuff that sucks all energy out of me (nothing to do with art, just mundane studying chem, microbio, and statistics, plus applying to different colleges with nursing programs), but when i make something decent (creative stuff, not study bullshit) i will update my tumblr.
i actually posted a few of my studies here.

[Anonymous No.1582727]

>>1582717
Link to your tumblr?

[Anonymous No.1582729]

I retro'ed

[Anonymous No.1582732]

>>1582729
I like these.

[Anonymous No.1582748]

>>1582653
Hello Teal.
I'm very new here, but you're one of the people who inspired me to frequent /ic/ and start practicing drawing mad. I admire your work very much.

[Anonymous No.1582757]

>>1582748
I do too, my fellow anon, now get back to practice.

[Anonymous No.1582758]

>>1582690
Then look at something else, start a new drawing or study some anatomy, this is the second time teal fixes the same things on your shit.

[Anonymous No.1582763]

>>1582717

You're fine dude, dont sweat it.

I liked those Unit 1 drawings

[Anonymous No.1582790]

>>1582586
The head looks too small to me. Not bad otherwise.

[Anonymous No.1582883]

>>1582653
words can't express how appreciative i am, thanks teal

[Anonymous No.1583047]

>>1582729
delicious old school

[Komodo !ozOtJW9BFA No.1583077]

My oc in a different style.

[Komodo !ozOtJW9BFA No.1583078]

>>1583077
Blah blah Tumblr nose Blah blah *angry face*

[Anonymous No.1583083]

>>1583077
Oh I remember you from the game master.

[Anonymous No.1583085]

wip sketch

[Anonymous No.1583089]

>>1583085
is dat gonna be a scat fetish thing?

[Anonymous No.1583091]

>>1583089
very funny

[Anonymous No.1583094]

>>1583085
Torso and leg are too short compare to the head even you considered perspective

[Komodo !ozOtJW9BFA No.1583096]

>>1583083
Yeah that's me. To bad it ended it was so fun.

[Anonymous No.1583145]

Is there any decent reference/methods on anime lips like pic related? I ask this because *most* animu-styles I see seem to omit them entirely. Ive tried some test sketches but they usually look like a totally different or clashing style such as superhero comics.

[Anonymous No.1583151]

>>1583145
I assume you've got this one, but it couldn't hurt to post it anyway.

[Anonymous No.1583191]

>>1583145
uhhh how about looking at the drawing. Or look at some lips.

[Anonymous No.1583223]

>>1582653
Why do your shoulders always look weird? The shoulders and clavicle seem to be your weakest link. Why? And don't you think it's kind of hypocritical for you to denounce drawing a face from a familiar view when you do it all the time?

[Anonymous No.1583226]

>>1583191
You could at least try and be helpful

[Anonymous No.1583256]

>>1583223
>And don't you think it's kind of hypocritical for you to denounce drawing a face from a familiar view

Please show us all the new, exciting, original face perspectives you've discovered. We are ready to learn, so teach us your methods. I would like to draw heads in an angle that is not limited to our current understanding of 3-dimensional space.

[Anonymous No.1583258]

>>1583256
>Not drawing heads in 4 dimensions
Teal plz

[Anonymous No.1583262]

>>1583258

4 dimensional drawings are too dangerous. You may end up drawing a black hole and kill us all.

[Anonymous No.1583269]

guys, could you please share hair-drawing material, i've found some on deviant, but that's not enoug
besides, i draw strangely, so anime hair doesn't usually fit my faces

[Anonymous No.1583281]

>>1583256
Lots of same face in that picture. Especially how the nose and mouthed are skewed and distorted same way in nearly all of them. Yes, that's what I was referring too. Please tell me why you think its OK when you do it but shameful when others do it. Let's not make excuses by misinterpreting, you know what I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.1583308]

>>1583281
let's agree to disagree

[Anonymous No.1583334]

>>1583308
Let's hear an explanation instead. That will be more productive here.

[Anonymous No.1583339]

>>1582695

Skeletally, the neck rests in the center of the head. (Don't look at skeletons for this, which can be misaligned. Look at x-rays of living people.) However, the muscles in the back of the neck are larger. So keep your gestures centered, then build/accommodate for larger back neck muscles when drawing bulkier characters.

[Anonymous No.1583340]

>>1583334
if your idea of productive is having a pointless discussion...
stop fooling yourself, you are not productive.

[Anonymous No.1583346]

>>1583340
Dear friend, no need to get hostile. We're all learners here. I'm just curious to your method. I'm only asking for an explanation on something particular here. You don't have to get defensive. Take a deep breath and relax for a moment, I'm sure the answer will come to you.

[Anonymous No.1583347]

>>1583346
Dis anon is baiting so hard

[Anonymous No.1583348]

>>1583346
heh

[Anonymous No.1583349]

>>1583346
>bait

[Anonymous No.1583352]

>>1583346
You seem to be too stupid to even understand what Teal was getting at with his redline, so the whole argument of yours is just pointless and dumb. His faces have stylized features and he uses a consistent style throughout his drawings, great catch, Sherlock. How that somehow makes his critique of that other anon's drawing invalid and how it makes him hypocritical, I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.1583353]

>>1583352
shhh

[Anonymous No.1583356]

>>1583269
bumping for help
this is what i came up with so far, "it" doesn't look too beautiful and is somehow manly. what to do?

[Anonymous No.1583357]

>>1582695
the neck under the head is slightly oblong, looks almost wider, then at the base on top of the shoulder girdle, which is usually more squarish almost. A good gesture line can be from the back of the ear to the nape of the clavicle.

[Anonymous No.1583359]

>>1583356
the face is really long and the jaw is way too prominent. If you want to draw a pretty female face, you should make it look very soft and curvy.

[Anonymous No.1583379]

>>1583352
You didn't read the redline did you?

"When eyes, face, and torso orientation alternates like so, it suggest you only drew the face view that is easiest for you, rather than what is appropriate..."

I took some samples from an image posted earlier. If you'll notice, the mouth often points outwards off to the side of the face in nearly every three quarters view. And the nose seems to point more in the opposite direction of the mouth's. This seem mismatched almost, given the of the head. And the eye socket behind the nose always seems to be skewing, more so than turning, as it should be with the form of the skull.

I find it strange that a person, who is such a proponent of placing things accordingly to perspective, would have a disregard for it here in his own work. And I find it even stranger still that he can spot these kinds of meticulous problems in others but not for himself. I simply would like an explanation.

Friend, let's not squabble over this immaturely. I think there could be a lesson here for both of us.

[Anonymous No.1583380]

>>1583379
*given the position of the head

[Anonymous No.1583381]

>>1583359
here's a try, hair's still a mess though

[Anonymous No.1583384]

>>1583347

If you couldn't tell it was the anon that always tries to start shit with teal and then bitches when the janitor slaps his shit then you haven't been here long.

[Anonymous No.1583386]

one thing i always notice with teal is that in his 3/4 views, the far eye is always too close to the nose.
it's just wrong. the far eye would only be covered by the nose to that degree if the nose was big. it isn't correct with the small noses he is drawing.

[Anonymous No.1583390]

>>1583379
>I cherry picked samples from an image posted earlier so I could nit-pick the finer points of stylization
This is why people have a problem with you.

[Anonymous No.1583397]

>>1583390
That's pretty retarded m8. Not to nit-pick here but you should probably have better grounds for dismissing someone than them trying to explain themselves clearer. It's a shit reason, is why.

[Anonymous No.1583398]

>>1583397
I'll explain it to you, if you post your work.

[Anonymous No.1583399]

>>1583390
Allow me to be the devil's advocate for a moment here. Now don't get me wrong I absolutely adore Teal and his redlines and look up to this person for what he does however keep in mind this is Artwork and Critique.

Anyone should be welcomed to critique others regardless of who they are and post feedback based on what they believe; after all the soul purpose of this board is to do just that.

However it is up to the Anon who receives the feedback to either take it seriously or disregard it as being trivial. From what I understand the posts up there where directed at Teal and not you nor I or anyone else for that matter.

Now please let us continue to work on our own drawings though I admit I do get a bit of amusement watching other adults behave in such a childish manner...

:3

[Anonymous No.1583403]

>>1583379

What is really unfortunate is that this is the kind of stuff that is covered in freshman animation classes.

[Anonymous No.1583405]

Everyone hates you, le epic troll. Everyone.

[Anonymous No.1583409]

>>1583403

[Anonymous No.1583413]

>>1583403
Aaaaaand nigga got told.

[Anonymous No.1583428]

>>1583403
>this is useful when animating the face and mouth as seperate elements
wouldn't it had sufficed saying the mouth as a seperate element

[Anonymous No.1583431]

less drama, more drawingses

[Anonymous No.1583437]

>>1583428
The amount of nit-picking blows my mind...

[Anonymous No.1583436]

>>1583428
Do we really have to get into the semantics of it?

[Anonymous No.1583439]

>>1583428
you never know just how much you have to explain it to some thickheaded people who couldn't figure it out on their own.

[Anonymous No.1583451]

meh, I need to get a tablet already

[Anonymous No.1583458]

>>1583451
Do you only have 1 eye?

[Anonymous No.1583465]

>>1583458
yes

[Anonymous No.1583481]

>>1583451

[Anonymous No.1583482]

>>1583451

>So Arthas, a night elf and mega man zero walk in a bar...

[Anonymous No.1583485]

>>1583481
Hey guys enjoy

[Anonymous No.1583505]

>>1583482
it was a request that have several, specific references along with it.

Not quite my style, but w/e

[Anonymous No.1583508]

>>1583481

eh...

[Anonymous No.1583512]

>>1583508
????????

I worked hard on that and eh is al i get?

[Anonymous No.1583517]

>>1583485
holy god

[Anonymous No.1583519]

>>1583512
hard work doesn't mean a good artwork

[Anonymous No.1583530]

>>1583485
that's cute, i like it. not professional or anything obviously but girl drawings have their charm too.

[Anonymous No.1583555]

>>1583512
What do you want? An A for effort? Whoa, hold on a sec, that shit don't fly in the real world. Results count more than effort, and your results are sub-par.

Consult the sticky/OP post.

[Anonymous No.1583584]

>>1582562
At the end of it all, sometimes you gotta think "fuck this place" because at times, it is very toxic for artists.

And some /ic/ doesnt even know what its talking about.

[Anonymous No.1583599]

need more study

[Anonymous No.1583680]

Yeah, her left arm is kind of just materialising out of nowhere and looks like it's volleying her head.
Keep at it man.

[Anonymous No.1583697]

>>1583403
1. You're confused as to what abstraction is. Even using the shadows is an abstraction of some sort. There is no need to segregate.

2.The corn shadow of the mouth disappearing doesn't make up for the skewing and misaligntmemt with the nose pointing.

3. And none of this answers the basic question: You shame others into doing it, but you do it yourself, why?

[Anonymous No.1583701]

>>1583428
In large studios the mouth and eyes are animated together for the sake of continuity in the acting. In 3d however the whole head is given over the one animator

[Anonymous No.1583703]

>>1583697
i think we need to make a clear distinction between aesthetic deformation from deformation as a result of bad judgement or lack of knowledge.

[Anonymous No.1583707]

typical psychedelical stonerartpiece.
making a point to outline the fish-scales next.
trying to find a better way to draw the smoke.

[Anonymous No.1583747]

>>1583431

[Anonymous No.1583779]

>>1583707
eye/eyebrow placed incorrectly
face too round

[Anonymous No.1583783]

>>1583747
I fucking love this guy his charisma is like no other. He is still a flaming faggot though.

[Anonymous No.1583826]

>>1583783
>flaming faggot
How would that look like?

[Anonymous No.1583827]

Any good way to learn to draw clothes (folds and details)
also give me tips if you got.

[Anonymous No.1583830]

>>1583826
Like this.

[Anonymous No.1583860]

>>1583827
maybe use a reference?

[Anonymous No.1583863]

>>1583451
>>1583481
>>1583485
For some reason nobody else is saying it, so I'll do it.
You're bad. Read the sticky and study up.

[Anonymous No.1583898]

>>1583827
The face looks good, but the torso just seems off.

[Anonymous No.1583980]

>>1583830
>implying that's not cute as fuck
>>1583863
>For some reason nobody else is saying it, so I'll do it.
See
>>1583555
>Consult the sticky/OP post.

[Anonymous No.1583999]

>>1583485
>>1583485
Holy mother of loomis, you should really study the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1584021]

>>1583151

I actually haven't seen that one, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1584035]

>>1584021
He's acting you fucktard

[Anonymous No.1584052]

[Anonymous No.1584058]

>>1584052
i feel some kindredness between us.

[Anonymous No.1584066]

Would I be a good lewd artist

Does anyone know if ecchi artists make good money from commissions? I don't wanna do full porn.

[Anonymous No.1584118]

>>1584052
you know, you take that continuous line stuff very seriously don't you.

[Anonymous No.1584141]

>>1584052
Looking neat, have any more?

>>1584066
dem delicious hips

[Anonymous No.1584143]

so, i shouldn't post my art at all unless i look like OP?
ok, then i'm probably never posting again, it's going to take that long. see ya never again guys!

[Anonymous No.1584144]

>>1583703
So do that. And to be clear why not cite external sources? Instead of us depending on the faith that you know on good authority what you're talking about, why not justifiy your acts agrumentively?

Teal, it's quite simple in western context: stop miderecting and justifiy your behavior. Back it up. Your hinted air of experiencs is a waste here. Arguments stand on their own merits, stop fawning an authority and just explain your self.

[Anonymous No.1584227]

More think ive made massive improvement. this is my favorite style so far.

[Anonymous No.1584232]

>>1584227
I remember telling you to go meditate in a mountain for 3 years. Why are you still here?
>fucked up legs
>fucked up shoulders
>fucked up back

[Anonymous No.1584235]

>>1584232
redline?

[Anonymous No.1584243]

>>1584235
no need to thank me

[Anonymous No.1584248]

>>1584144
That wasnt teal you responded to, though. Think twice before making assumptions next time.

[Anonymous No.1584255]

>>1584227

thats a quite weird fetish you have there

[Anonymous No.1584259]

>>1584243
thanks anon, think mine is more dynamic though


>>1584255
not a fetish lol.


rough sketch.

[Anonymous No.1584263]

I have this strange problem where all of my drawings are kind of skewed, how can I fix it?

[Anonymous No.1584266]

>>1584263
fundamentals. learn them

[Anonymous No.1584267]

>>1584259
Why isn't it flying anymore?

[Anonymous No.1584271]

>>1584267
it gains power when its host slays dragons.

[Anonymous No.1584272]

>>1584271
Cool concept.

I have nothing to contribute.

[Anonymous No.1584296]

>>1584066
post more.

[Anonymous No.1584297]

>>1584144

No one needs to justify anything to you. Your opinions seem fueled by jealousy, hatred for lolis, or some weird stalking fetish, because you do this every single time. It has become too obvious. You've never presented anything better on this board, you've never posted anything to justify your own opinions. It's a nice little game to play, but your methods are getting a little stale for the regulars.

People who want the advice will just take it and improve their art. You can just quietly dismiss it all, instead of smearing your asspain everywhere because you've gone nowhere with your art, no one cares for your advice, or you just want to talk to someone and this is the only way for you to get his/her attention.

[Anonymous No.1584322]

>>1584297
Not that anon, but it's not just one guy who thinks teal's art is weird.
You're the guy who can't resort to anything other than kindergarten stuff like jealousy, singling him out like he's the only one holding that opinion, or saying "p-p-post something better!"
I've considered several times to redline at least his faces, but i can't since he has this defense force (you), who consider him much, MUCH better than he actually is. Is it beacause he's helpful? Is it because he writes so much? I don't know.
You gotta stop it with this defence-force shit.

I'm this guy by the way >>1583386

[Anonymous No.1584329]

>>1584263

Flip the canvas while drawing periodically

[Anonymous No.1584332]

>>1584322

>resorting to "defense force" name calling

Post corrections if you want. Post your redlines, post drawings that you yourself constructed from the ground up. Let us see what kind of advice you would give to others *who are asking for it.* If you're just here to be a naysayer and critique other redlines, naturally people are going to think less of you than if you actually contributed something positive instead of just opinions with nothing to back them up.

[Anonymous No.1584341]

>>1584322
You (and that other guy) nitpick stuff that can either be considered tiny anatomical flaws or stylistic choices. Even if they are genuine flaws and not a conscious choice of his, why are you so stuck up on it? It's obvious that Teal is no master draughtsman, he's no Vilppu. He's simply a competent artist who tries to help people who are worse than he is.

Do you believe his redlines are not helpful to other people? Do you believe the original drawings look better than his redlines? Do you believe the notes he writes and the tips he gives are wrong?

>or saying "p-p-post something better!"

Why exactly is it so outrageous to say this? You are nitpicking his work to death, yet you aren't providing any better redlines and help for others either. For the most part, Teal has proven that he knows what he's talking about. You have not.

Not trying to be a "defense force" for anybody here, but Teal is an enrichment for this board considering just how much effort he puts into helping others, you however are entirely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.1584401]

STOP FUCKING RESPONDING TO TROLLS YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS.

THIS IS FUCKING INTERNET 101 SHIT, DON'T FEED THE FUCKING TROLLS. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND MOVE ON, THIS SHIT IS WHY THESE THREADS WERE SO SHITTED UP FOR SO LONG.

[Anonymous No.1584410]

>>1584401
Just let them have their fun it's pointless they know how not to respond but they can't help it /ic/ loves to argue it's just the way it is.

[Anonymous No.1584413]

>>1584341
>You (and that other guy)
Now it's not one, but two people. great. Anyone can play this kind of game. I could guess how many teal worshippers there are and add that probably not a single one of them is beyond the beginner stage, judging from how they act.

>..but Teal is an enrichment for this board ..
You are probably correct, since he contributes so much. But YOU on the other hand, are not.
Have you even listened to your defenses?
>that's just nitpicking!
>b-but he's helpful!
>he's no perfect master, but that's obvious!

Like "stop nitpicking his work to death"? Do you realize that with every other piece this would just be daily procedures on /ic/? (not to mention it's not actually "nitpicking")
Anons just point out stuff they see, just like always. Why suddenly the storm of excuses when it comes to teal? Do you see why i call you people the teal defense force?
Maybe you just can't IMAGINE that anyone could have expertize other than teal?

>>1584332
If written critique already has such backlash, what would drawn critique do? And i'm not perfect either.
The way i see it you have it completely reversed: We are not naysayers, you are just the yes-man to teal.
Also most of the others can't be critiqued because they just lack too much. It's the usual "back to the fundamentals" thing.
With stuff like teals, we can at least talk about SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEGINNER TOPICS.

>>1584401
But anon you are the trolls. You are what shits up these threads.

[Anonymous No.1584415]

>>1584413
>what would drawn critique do? And i'm not perfect either.

Maybe your judgement about skewing is actually a problem with your own perception. Post your drawings. Doesn't have to be a sketch like these corrections, you don't have to draw something on the spot. Post something you've had days to work on. Maybe you can learn something about yourself.

[Anonymous No.1584422]

>come into thread
>trolls and "artists" trying to bash on teal for trying to help

Anyways, thank you teal for the advice. Helps alot. And I see some nice drawings from good people. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.1584427]

>>1584422
Thanks, and I apologize on behalf of the people who come here to argue over trivial matters.

[Anonymous No.1584431]

>>1584410
this

[Anonymous No.1584435]

>>1584410
WELL I WISH THEY'D JUST TAKE IT OUTSIDE AND FUCK BEHIND THE GAS STATION ALREADY SO I DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THEIR PSEUDO-MASTURBATORY BULLSHIT.

[Anonymous No.1584440]

>>1584422
That was such a great animation.

[Anonymous No.1584461]

>>1584259
Your anime is disgusting

[Anonymous No.1584464]

>>1584461
? why i need to know specifically why it;s disgusting not just insults.

[Anonymous No.1584465]

>>1584464
The thing hanging out of her vagina, but you know that already.

[Anonymous No.1584513]

It was a simple question to TLG. And most of you couldn't see that. Which begs the further question: what else are you not seeing?

If the dialogue is restricted, how can anyone NOT be a troll?

[Anonymous No.1584517]

>>1582729
>>1582732
>>1583047

colored

[Anonymous No.1584557]

How is my anime chick?

Well not really anime but cartoon chick sounds dumb

[Anonymous No.1584566]

>>1584557
Not great. Her hair all appears to be on the far side of her head rather than coming off the back, and neck down needs more anatomy. Her ear is also too small.

[Anonymous No.1584575]

>>1584566
I can agree an anatomy but absurd hair and tiny ear are done on purpose man

[Anonymous No.1584589]

>>1584575
>Muh style

Well at least you where aware of the bottom of the nose aligning with the bottom of the ear. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.1584592]

>>1584575
If the hair is supposed to be mostly on one side, you need to make it look like it's wrapping around the head, or somehow show that it's longer on one side than the other. Right now it just looks awkward. Undercuts are cool too.

As for the ear, I thought it was probably small on purpose. I'm not saying you need to make it much bigger, I just think it's distracting as it is.

[Anonymous No.1584595]

>>1584517

I like it. Only thing that looks a little off is the feet look like they are angled down a bit too much, but that's just me. Looks a lot like Rabby from Gall Force..

Oh man, now I feel old.

[Anonymous No.1584598]

>>1584592
thx i'll apply that next time

[Anonymous No.1584613]

>>1584557

The lines need to be smoother, right now it looks kind of jerky and erratic.

[Anonymous No.1584618]

>>1582276
you guys inspire me

[Anonymous No.1584624]

>>1584618

[Anonymous No.1584627]

>>1584618

[Anonymous No.1584696]

Ugh, I need help. Been staring at it too long and now I can't see the flaws anymore.

[Anonymous No.1584702]

>>1584696

The upper thighs seem to be unnaturally long. The right one is offset a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.1584706]

>>1584702
Ah you're right, thanks. I seem to have a problem with long as fuck legs.

[Anonymous No.1584709]

Can someone do a redline on this? I have no idea how to draw chests in side view.

[Anonymous No.1584753]

I guess I have a productive bout right now

[Anonymous No.1584789]

>>1584329
This is actual help, thanks!

[Anonymous No.1584831]

So, uhmm... newfag here. I've been drawing without study or tutorials for a long time and I'm not gonna tell you the story of my life, I just want to ask something: it's the first time I visit this board, it's the first time I hear about that Loompis guy and the others (yeah, hate me or whatever). The thing is: I think my style is kinda anime-esque/cartoonish but at the same time I kinda like to keep real-life proportions and shit like that. If I want to improve in my style, which as I said is not 100% real life accurate but at the same time it's not 100% anime accurate, do I still need to learn with those guys on the sticky? and since I guess the answer is yes, which books should I read/download to read later? I don't really care if I have to read them all though, but if I can just skip something...

Also, sorry for my bad english. Not my first language.

[Anonymous No.1584837]

>>1584831
Yes. Loomis is dense but comprehensive. It applies to every style and discipline in art. If you want something quicker to get started with I suggest Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing: Design and Invention. Practice and study often.

[Anonymous No.1584839]

>>1584831
>It's the first time I hear about that Loompis guy
>that Loompis guy
>Loompis

You. I like you. Post your drawing.

[Anonymous No.1584842]

I've started a Dishonored fan comic and would love to become a better comic artist in general.

Does anyone has an idea or tip how to improve? I feel like running flat against a wall. I don't even know what's my own issue with my stuff but something disturbs me horribly... it just always looks so... unprofessional. I just started to experiment with the shading, so I know that might look odd here and there.

[Anonymous No.1584846]

>>1584839
The funny thing is that I searched it as Loompis in google and it corrected me, and I thought "oh, so it's Loomis, ok". I don't know why I made the same error twice, but it happens haha.

About my drawing, sadly I'm not at my house and I can't scan anything, but I guess I'll try to post some drawing later when I get home.

>>1584837
Thanks anon, will read and practice.

[Anonymous No.1584872]

>>1584842
since i haven't played dishonored i can't tell you anything about the "content" of your comic, but from what i can see, there is a lack of anatomy which shows when you try to animate characters, it is also important that you understand what are and what are not stances of high energy, about this you can find lot of videos on youtube regarding animation and also books one i can advice currently is "undrestanding comics" by scott mccloud.
then composition, currently there is no narrtive flow, the characters in the middle pannels are moving and looking like they are about to leave the frame. There's nothing connecting the first pannel with the 2nd, and the third with the 4th.
in the first pannel you have a character who has his torso and head out of frame speaking. The scene should be very cluttered and claustrophobicfor the character getting gagged and tied up but yet there is so much space in between everyone. It looks like they are just casually kidnapping someone, no biggy.

[Anonymous No.1584879]

>>1584263
I think you have more of a problem than just skewed drawings. Your lines, your lineart, it is bad. Try thinner lines, it also needs to be more dynamic. You need to let the lines 'flow'. The coloring/shading, you're lacking value.

[Anonymous No.1584880]

>>1583599
moar value

[Anonymous No.1584881]

>>1584831

Start with these

[Anonymous No.1584905]

[Anonymous No.1584917]

>>1584905

are you using MS paint or something

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69181482/PaintTool%20SAI%20English%20Pack.7z

[Anonymous No.1584936]

>>1584917
by the look of it i would guy that its been done in a paintchat

[Anonymous No.1584941]

>>1584917
http://skycow.us/whiteboard.swf

[Anonymous No.1584955]

>>1584696
>draenei
gave it a shot for you, pretty sure the legs are still messed up. hope this helps a bit.

[Anonymous No.1584956]

>>1584955
oh really nice

[Anonymous No.1584957]

>>1582514
Okay there's no way you're not trolling. Go away.

[Anonymous No.1584961]

>>1584955
Thanks man

[Anonymous No.1584969]

help

[Anonymous No.1584971]

>>1583485
Hips should be wider than the legs.
You really need to read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1584991]

Guess I'll contribute...

[Anonymous No.1584996]

>>1583381
Loomissss

[Anonymous No.1585021]

I read an interview with Tony Taka, and he said that 'ctrl+z' is the most helpful thing for him. I heard that it's a bad habit and somehow harmful, like not knowing your mistakes and just making it look 'right'. So, is it true or not?

[Anonymous No.1585022]

>>1585021
It will only hurt you if you want to draw traditionally as well. If you plan on staying digital forever it really doesn't matter. In fact I think Ctrl + Z is really great to learn how to control your line.

[Anonymous No.1585024]

I'll contribute as well.

[Anonymous No.1585034]

Something quick I did before going to bed.

[Anonymous No.1585036]

>>1585034
why does people draw this character, she's disgusting as fuck

[Anonymous No.1585037]

>>1585036
Because it is simple all I used was three spheres. Well good night.

[Anonymous No.1585060]

>>1584969
>1384062021059.jpg
red+simple colour
hope it helps

[Anonymous No.1585166]

A Wip of that goofy fap elf syx, may stream the finish later today.

[Anonymous No.1585170]

>>1585060
i hate that, it makes sense for skin, but for everything else its an eyesore (red shadow lines for green pants? yikes). reminds me of bakemonogatary. it's garish, awful, overstylized.

[Anonymous No.1585171]

>>1585166

jesus

[Anonymous No.1585172]

>>1585036
>Stop liking what I don't like!
Fuck off, anon.

[Anonymous No.1585173]

>good jesus, or bad jesus?
>probably bad

it's true to the source

[Anonymous No.1585176]

>>1585170
Jesus, why does this thread always attract people who know nothing about art and just post their random opinion.

[Anonymous No.1585177]

>>1585171
>good jesus, or bad jesus?
>probably bad

it's true to the source at least

[Anonymous No.1585180]

>>1585172
I didn't tell him to stop liking it, I just don't understand it which is why I hoped someone would explain.

But it seems like it's just a weird fetish for dwarf women.

[Anonymous No.1585186]

>>1585172
you had one job

[Anonymous No.1585187]

>>1585170
aaahhh right, forgot to say. that colour was just put in over the red lines.

[Anonymous No.1585194]

>>1585176
if you knew anything about art, you'd know that art is all about opinions.
this isn't even art. illustration, at best.

[Anonymous No.1585196]

>>1585180
>But it seems like it's just a weird fetish for dwarf women.
No, /tg/ has the thing for women with beards.

The answer is, of course, dat ass.

[Anonymous No.1585199]

>>1585196
I guess I'll just never relate.

[Anonymous No.1585200]

>>1585060
>>1584969

arms as thin as noodles
ans there are many many things wrong with that face/head

[Anonymous No.1585203]

>>1585036
i agree with you, she has kind of an aborted fetus look to her.

[Anonymous No.1585217]

random stuff from fucking around tonight

[Anonymous No.1585219]

>>1585217
I really like the butt on the bottom right.

[Anonymous No.1585223]

>>1585217
is this blooddragon? top right?

[Anonymous No.1585249]

>>1585024
pls finish this

[Anonymous No.1585275]

>>1585196
as a fa/tg/uy i'lll inform you that's not fully accurate.

[Anonymous No.1585323]

>>1585203
Well I think she is cute and pudgy looking!

[Anonymous No.1585326]

>>1585166
does ic prefer modest racks?

[Anonymous No.1585327]

>>1585326
All sizes are good sizes.

[Anonymous No.1585332]

>>1585326
those tits don't like up with the shoulders.
and size doesn't matter once you fall in love for someone. ~Raishin

[Anonymous No.1585330]

Why do people who draw anime such horndogs? 80% of drawings are sexual in nature.

[Anonymous No.1585331]

>>1585036

m8 you want to fight I'll fucking deck you in sware on me gran

[Anonymous No.1585334]

>>1585332
*done line up

[Anonymous No.1585333]

>>1585326

[Anonymous No.1585335]

>>1585332
They don't? Could I get a red line?

[Anonymous No.1585336]

>>1585330

That's a figure you pulled out of your ass

And humans have been depicting other humans naked for as long as we have been smart enough to pick something up and draw with it.

Try again blanco nino.

[Anonymous No.1585338]

>>1585326
Quick redline

[Anonymous No.1585339]

>>1585338

[Anonymous No.1585340]

>>1585338
oh I see it now

[Anonymous No.1585355]

>>1585333
I like yours, you post anywhere else?

[Anonymous No.1585358]

>>1585335
if you take the proximity into account and perspective, the boob closest to us should be lower

[Anonymous No.1585362]

>>1585358
I actually saw it after you pointed it out, but not before I posted unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.1585371]

>>1585060
>>1585187
Thanks, it actually helps a lot.
I'm currently learning to render (alongside everything else) is there any reliable, solid source to learn from? Or is this just one of those things you pick up with time? (I get that knowing how to color comes from observation and studies, I'm talking about techniques here)
Also, I tend to hold up a lot when coloring (and actually with everything else), I'm pretty sure this is a sign of me not really knowing what I'm doing; roughly, what's the "time limit" to finish something like that?
Anyway, thanks again.

[Anonymous No.1585374]

>>1585330
we're virgins.

[Anonymous No.1585381]

>>1585330
You must be new here.

[Anonymous No.1585470]

>>1584842
I would honestly appreciate some feedback here. Anyone can spend a 2nd opinion?

[Anonymous No.1585478]

>>1584969
weird creepy babyface, noodle arms

[Anonymous No.1585480]

>>1585330
sex sells

[Anonymous No.1585481]

>1583785
you're in the wrong thread

[Anonymous No.1585485]

>>1585478
you are in the wrong thread

[Anonymous No.1585486]

>>1584842

That sort of scratching you use for shading looks weird, makes everything look blocky.

Poses in general look stiff and unreal, and it's better not to show profile views of people, instead do 3/4 or something to make it appear more dynamic.

Generally, everything looks stiff as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1585488]

>>1585478
>Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread
>Cartooning
genius

[Anonymous No.1585489]

>>1585470

Awkward, stiff figures and bad frame composition. Lettering looks pretty good though.

Brush up on that sequential art theory breh

Get manga studio or a program where you can plan out your frames better

[Anonymous No.1585494]

From another thread, sounds it would be useful here:


http://www.superheronation.com/2012/01/02/ideas-for-how-to-make-a-boring-character-interesting/
try these: http://animationarchive.net/How%20To/Introduction%20to%20Character%20Design/index.php
http://thundercake.deviantart.com/art/Unique-Character-Design-Tips-105722545
http://jeinu.deviantart.com/art/Unique-Features-Tutorial-Pt-1-153030678

[Anonymous No.1585497]

>>1585488
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.1585500]

>>1585497
i was being sarcastic. you are the opposite of a genius.

[Anonymous No.1585513]

>>1585486
>>1585489
>>1585494

Okay thanks so far! I've already read Understanding comic, didn't help me tough, maybe I'm to dump to get it.

I try to ... unstiff the characters we'll see how far this works. And sequential art theory it is next.

[Anonymous No.1585520]

>>1585513

Try making nude sketches of the characters first, that way you'll easier see if the poses are wrong.

[Anonymous No.1585550]

>>1585500
I know you were sarcastic, I mean I don't get the reason WHY you were sarcastic. What's the problem with saying "cartooning"?

[Anonymous No.1585555]

I really need to get a tablet, sketching, scanning, then coloring with a mouse sorta fucks me up with the transition.

[Anonymous No.1585556]

>>1585520
I do that, I sketch everything out completely and add the cloths on another layer later on. I think I read to much Sailor Moon as a kid and somehow like the stiff look xD.

[Anonymous No.1585577]

>>1585550
i was quoting the guy who thought noodly arms and weird face are somehow wrong in the cartooning thread.

[Anonymous No.1585589]

>>1585555

Oh dear.
I suggest you read the sticky and then go practice. Your entire picture is a symbol.

[anbx !!PSaGs+n1Fvq No.1585696]

A little help here. I have a story of messing up with the farest eye in a 3/4 head view.

Am I shitting it up?

[Anonymous No.1585705]

>>1585696

even in black and white that nose is still red.....

[anbx !!PSaGs+n1Fvq No.1585707]

>>1585705
No worries, it will be black

[Anonymous No.1585720]

>>1585696

[Anonymous No.1585722]

>>1585720

This looks worse in pretty much any regard.

[Anonymous No.1585726]

>>1585720
topkek

[Anonymous No.1585727]

>>1585722
You obviously don't understand how much of a benefit this is for you.

You must be troll.

[Anonymous No.1585739]

>>1585696
Tilted the face. Watch for the eyes brows and the end of the ear alignment... tough I don't know if this is true for anime, too.

[Anonymous No.1585742]

>>1585739
why you tilt?

[Anonymous No.1585745]

>>1585742
Just like it more that way. Feels like the angle was to extreme. See the mirrored picture.

[Anonymous No.1585751]

>>1585696
My take

[Anonymous No.1585753]

>>1585745
no, it just seems like you don't know how to draw heads tilted like in the original, so you revert to what is most familiar to you.

[Anonymous No.1585758]

>>1585753
Could be

[Anonymous No.1585913]

>>1585330
Do you not watch anime or something?

[Anonymous No.1585977]

>>1585696
nah you're good

[Anonymous No.1586012]

ive finished this in adobe illustrator critiqs are welcome

[Anonymous No.1586031]

>>1585727
>>1585720
Someone copied one of Teals faces on there rather than that actually being Teal himself. Cause that's definitely not him.

[Anonymous No.1586094]

>>1586012
hnnnnngg

[Anonymous No.1586106]

>>1585696

I like your style man

[Anonymous No.1586108]

>>1586031
And your point is...?

[Anonymous No.1586125]

>>1586108

It looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.1586160]

>>1583386

If you want to prove it is wrong, do this with your own design. Run it through animation test.

[anbx !!PSaGs+n1Fvq No.1586203]

>>1586106
>>1585751
>>1585745
>>1585739
>>1585720
Thank you very mucho

[Anonymous No.1586221]

>>1586160
Is there a reason to why you always write everything by hand? Seems like an excessive amount of work.

Good guy guide god though.

[Anonymous No.1586231]

>>1586221
Not that guy, but if he's using Sai(I I think he is), there's no text tool.

[Anonymous No.1586297]

bloooop.

[Anonymous No.1586299]

also bloop.
I was going for a art-nouveau-mucha-lady feel perhaps. break out that red marker!

[Anonymous No.1586326]

figuring stuff out.

[Anonymous No.1586345]

>>1586221

Drawing, especially cartooning, has an element of calligraphy. Why not practice it every chance you have?

[Anonymous No.1586353]

>>1586297
Feels like his head is to big. But could be a style decision

[Anonymous No.1586357]

>>1586345
You're starting to inspire me to strive to write elegantly as well, my writing is horrid.

[Anonymous No.1586365]

[Anonymous No.1586371]

Teach me to shade and highlight nicely please.

General feedback is welcome too

[Anonymous No.1586410]

>>1586160
Actually there is a dispute to all of that: you're assuming the temporal plane is flat. The orbitals rest in slight curve. Evolution put them slight on the corners, this is why or field of view is 180 degrees.

So, if your basing your style on nature, only 1 of your views would have the far eye recessing behind the nose.

[Anonymous No.1586427]

>>1586410

[Anonymous No.1586428]

>>1586410

The curvature doesn't make a difference. It just makes you see the edge of the sclera on the farther eye sooner. This is beside the point. The distance of the nose from the eyes is what causes it. It's consistent with this design. Find consistency in your own design.

Find your front view, find your side view, and prove your design's form consistency by turning it. Draw it.

[Anonymous No.1586429]

Critique needed:
Before I work on this some more, whats wrong with it? Which proportions are off.
Better yet, what do i need to improve on?

[Anonymous No.1586433]

>>1586410
>if your basing your style on nature

Just because the style is based on nature, doesn't mean it has the same proportions of a real face. It just needs to be consistent with itself from different angles. Anime isn't one set of proportions.

[Anonymous No.1586435]

>>1586410
The middle angle is at 45 degrees. The nose starts to occlude the eye at 35 degrees.

[Anonymous No.1586460]

>>1586160
>Run it through animation test.

I hope realize not everyone here is an animator, nor has there been a general consensus showing that's everyone's final goal in these kinds of threads. Personally, I'm not buying your implications. And if you really did work some studios, then you'd already know that all the information is pragmatic and exclusive to the model of production to be followed. Your basically retelling factoids that are cohesive for a production. Move to another project and things change. This is animation contract life 101. So in an arena--like this general--of different kinds of people, with different views of styles, and different levels of prowess, it's probably more important to assess the situation first, then move into help.

If you want to show your knowledge, super! But your pedagogy so far has only been, "That's not how I would of done it." This a bad approach in helping others in the situation HERE. For one you're discouraging the learner from discovering on their own on how to look at the problem. Secondly your presupposing a lot of background information without consent, making much of your lesson misguided. A sign of a good art instructor is one who asks questions that gets the learner to question his or her own understanding of the problem. Your method of help is actually misleading. You leave out too much of what's really needed, chastise the work from a prejudicial stand point, and then over-indulge in a flowery display. In the end the learner is left with superficial information.

If you're not actively learning with the person trying to learn, chances are you're not helping. But if you just want to give advice, from off the cuff, then it would probably be better to lose that arrogant attitude. And if you have difficulty accepting constructive feedback, about your methods of helping, then maybe you should rethink this whole endeavor.

Food for thought.

[Anonymous No.1586463]

>>1586460

That was in -direct response- to someone who felt the faces themselves were not consistent. This shows their geometric consistency. This wasn't a part of the original red line, which never even mentioned the face style.

If you want to question something, question the points made in the redline and come up with something that contradicts it. Otherwise, contain yourself. There's nothing arrogant about being direct, it saves everyone time.

[Anonymous No.1586467]

>>1586427
>>1586428
>>1586435
>>1586433

I thought the first lesson in weeaboo drawing is to learn to draw from life THEN draw in "muh style". So now that's not true? Since we really don't have to follow how. "the laws of nature as they apply to man's vision."* Or is all this nitpicking the TLG defense brigade at work again?

*Loomis. Successful Drawing. pg 11.

[Anonymous No.1586470]

>>1586460
>A sign of a good art instructor is one who asks questions that gets the learner to question his or her own understanding of the problem.

What do you think it means to do an animation test for yourself? You don't need to animate it, just draw in sequence. Prove it to yourself, prove it to everyone. If it works for your style, great. If it doesn't, then maybe some self-reassessment is in order.

[Anonymous No.1586471]

>>1586467
>show directly contradicting evidence
>Y-you're just a nit-picking defense brigade!
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1586473]

>>1586467
In my opinion the "draw from life" then draw in a stylized version still holds true because "the laws of nature" are deeply embedded with perspective which is something I am lacking.

If you observe from life you are observing objects in your point of view in perspective. I'd want to join in this conversation but I am at work and barely have time to read quickly on what all the fuss is about.

[Anonymous No.1586476]

>>1586463

Stop getting bratty. This all about your approach in general, and I think you know that already. You've explained consistency, for what really? That that's how you would of don it? That you're right in telling others that's how they should do it? Okay! But how does any of that explain your general approach with these red-lines. You ask others to be respective of you and the help you give, but then you decide to not be respective the conversation. Your arrogance and haughty attitude has been showing more and more with each passing general. I suggest not that you contain your self, but actually start looking at your behavior from a stranger's point of view. If you can't deal with feedback appropriately, then how are you any better than the rudest bunch here?

[Anonymous No.1586479]

>>1586476

No one asked anyone to be respectful, just to back their shit up. Have you? Is your complaint that someone writes in a tone that you don't like? Someone doesn't care about your opinions, or takes the time to offer a counterpoint with demonstrations that you can't match or refuse to do? Do you want to be coddled? Do you want everyone to fawn over your critiques? What compels you to whine and nitpick someone else's redline and imagine everyone is insulting you?

[Anonymous No.1586483]

FUCKING STOP RESPONDING TO TROLLS YOU WORTHLESS, BRAINDEAD HORSE FUCKERS.

[Anonymous No.1586484]

>>1586476
>deal with feedback appropriately

Why don't you demonstrate, through drawings, how that response is wrong? You complain about the eyes being too close, >>1586160 demonstrates a graphical proof, >>1586427 presents a real world example, >>1586435 shows a 3D model at exacting angles. Maybe you should learn to deal with rebuttals without resorting to paranoid ad hominems.

[Anonymous No.1586485]

>>1586479
I hope you realize then irony in asking all that. This is becoming embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.1586486]

>>1586483

Thread is past bump limit, we can indulge them a bit.

[Anonymous No.1586491]

>>1586486
NO. YOU DON'T LET THE DOG SHIT ON THE CARPET JUST BECAUSE IT'S SERIOUSLY DISGUSTING, BECAUSE THEN HE'LL SHIT ON IT WHEN IT'S CLEAN.

[Anonymous No.1586493]

>>1586483
Go back to sleep Anon, the big kids are talking.

[Anonymous No.1586501]

>>1586484
I original ask why he abbreviates features in a certain way but chastises others for doing it similarly. The original question was never answered. In fact I said twice, teal was misdirecting and not answering the question. But it seems from all the flack restricting the dialoque, the question was never really heard.

[Anonymous No.1586510]

>>1586501
>why he abbreviates features in a certain way but chastises others for doing it similarly

Find and post examples of both.

[Anonymous No.1586520]

>>1586510
His first post in this thread >>1582653, then look at >>1583223 from there other anons had questions which took the conversation elsewhere. I reiterated the question again in >>1583379 with

>I find it strange that a person, who is such a proponent of placing things accordingly to perspective, would have a disregard for it here in his own work. And I find it even stranger still that he can spot these kinds of meticulous problems in others but not for himself. I simply would like an explanation.

Teal misdirect the questioning with >>1583403 to which I attempted again to get us back on track with >>1583697
>3. And none of this answers the basic question: You shame others into doing it, but you do it yourself, why?

[Anonymous No.1586525]

>>1586520
>And don't you think it's kind of hypocritical for you to denounce drawing a face from a familiar view when you do it all the time?
see
>>1583256
We already did this.

[Anonymous No.1586529]

>>1586520

How does any of that take you to this conclusion?

>>why he abbreviates features in a certain way but chastises others for doing it similarly

Nothing in the redline addressed abbreviations, just a more natural posing or the eyes, head, and body.

Your opinions about the nose and mouth and eyes were all addressed in other images, especially about how some of the mouth occlusion shadow is clipped by the lips.

Where is the shaming?

[Anonymous No.1586530]

>>1586529
>Where is the shaming?
There is none, it is baseless accusations as usual.

[Anonymous No.1586536]

>>1586525
Yeah that didn't answer the question. Which I already said twice >>1583379, >>1583697. I think your just being difficult here on purpose.

>>1586529
abbreviations is another way of saying stylizing something. Why chastise others for stylizing in a certain way when he does the similar thing. He has a history of saying draw from still life or objects in 3d space and stylize from there. But if you read his redlines the advice is somewhat misleading given previous redlines and the learner at center. Even though he writes in a manner that he is speaking from a singular body of knowledge. All his redlines are basically "this is how I would of done it" with snark remarks, "you did it wrong". I'm asking why.

[Anonymous No.1586540]

>>1586536
>I think your just being difficult here on purpose.
All of those questions where already answered. You're the one being difficult here.

[Anonymous No.1586542]

>>1586536

Then you're being general and redirecting my question. Where is the specific example? Stylization was not addressed at all, only posing and feet gesture. How did you go from that to

>why he abbreviates features in a certain way but chastises others for doing it similarly

How did you make this jump?

>"this is how I would of done it" with snark remarks, "you did it wrong"

Where is the snark? Post examples, or I'm going to assume you're being overly sensitive.

>Yeah that didn't answer the question.

Post your own examples of face angles that you can draw, that wasn't covered.

[Anonymous No.1586545]

>>1586536
>shaming
Teal has done nothing remotely close to shaming.

Shaming goes something along these lines;

Holy shit you fucking moron, how can you not even understand what it is to shame someone? Hahaha, my god you're such a fucking retard. Did you flunk out of elementary school or something? I mean really i can't believe you would even say anything so amazingly stupid. Does being stupid come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?

[Anonymous No.1586553]

>>1586542
Face angles aren't at question here. The original question was drawn to his remark about drawing in a familiar way, abbreviating things in a routine fashion, because that's what's most comfortable and not respective to the perspective--that's what his use of "familiar view" was about in the first redline. >>1582653. I merely asked about the hypocrisy in all that, and cited his face as examples. But that apparently upset him. The question was about his approach with redlining.

Stop having such selective hearing. That's not getting anybody anywhere.

Again from >>1583697
>3. And none of this answers the basic question: You shame others into doing it, but you do it yourself, why?

[Anonymous No.1586557]

>>1586545
That's called insulting. No wonder other D/ic/ks think your autisitc cancers. Some of you have no sense social norms

[Anonymous No.1586561]

>>1586553
>I merely asked about the hypocrisy in all that, and cited his face as examples.
You cherry picked from a large lot. You talk about "selective hearing" when you had to pick a small sample from a large lot to even make half a point that was so transparently bullshit on it's face that even you mother called everyone an apologized to them for having such a fucking moron for a child.
>>1586557
No, it's called shaming. You're the one with no sense of social norms, where you have somehow come to the absurd conclusion that explaining something helpfully is shaming. Seriously, when was the last time you came out of your basement? Do you wet yourself when someone tells you that you filled out a form wrong, and cry about how they're shaming you? Get back to tumblr, you landwhale.

[Anonymous No.1586565]

>>1586553
>The original question was drawn to his remark about drawing in a familiar way

When you draw long enough, every face angle becomes familiar. The problem with the original drawing is that the face and eyes and chest was not smooth. That redline explained it fully, never said it was wrong, but suggested a more natural pose. The original artist accepted that explanation.

Again, I want you to draw some face angles that weren't covered there. It had basic sketches of high, low angles, front, profile, facing left and right, some super low angles on the jaw, and back of the head. I want you to show us something different, go ahead and teach everyone.

>You shame others into doing it, but you do it yourself, why?

Where is the shaming?

[Anonymous No.1586573]

>>1586565
Why are you so hung up on the drawing that got redline? My question was direct at Teal general approach. Here is a link to collection of his redlines.

http://imgur.com/a/8eHzD?gallery

Read through them, you can see that after a while you'll notice they're hypocritical and arrogant. If you can't see that, then I can't help you any further, sorry. You'll just have to disagree with me.

[Anonymous No.1586576]

>>1586573
>was direct at Teal general approach
*was directed at Teal's general approach

[Anonymous No.1586577]

>>1586553
>But that apparently upset him.

An image reply with examples is being upset? Everyone rebutting you with specific real world examples and CGI models is being upset?

The only one upset is you. You're upset over the tone of the redlines, when you have no reason to be. It seems you've held on to this over many threads. Stop being upset. Take it or leave it, like everyone else, but don't be surprised when you can't back things up and you ignore everyone else's opinions about your and your "critiques."

[Anonymous No.1586581]

>>1586573
>If you can't see that, then I can't help you any further, sorry. You'll just have to disagree with me.
>If I cannot define the way in which something is a thing I claim it to be, then I can't help you.
This is what you're saying. Hell, this statement has more shaming in it than any of Teal's critiques, because it implies we're too stupid to see(while simultaneously not backing up the claim in any way shape or form).

See, this is why your mother is so embarrassed by you.

[Anonymous No.1586588]

>>1586573
>Why are you so hung up on the drawing that got redline?

Because that's the example you gave to back yourself up.

The questions is, why are you so hung up on these redlines? Did you get a redline that you weren't happy with? Which one of these is yours?

If you didn't, then why are you so personally upset by this? You got direct replies from many people, you don't accept it, that's fine. But if all you can do is cry about "tone" and "arrogance," that means you're the one who can't handle critiques. At least have the confidence in yourself to make real rebuttals with some drawings, demonstrate why you think something is wrong. Let everyone judge.

[Anonymous No.1586590]

>>1586581
Holy fucking shit, I fucked up. I forgot to mention YOUR attempt at shaming while criticizing someone else for shaming makes you a goddamn hypocrite!

[Anonymous No.1586595]

>>1586577
>An image reply with examples is being upset?
No, but questioning him seems to upset him, and a few others here too. Which is unfortunate, because this kind of behavior is detrimental to an open discussion. You can call me a troll all you want, but that doesn't change how the banter has been conducted by those on a certain side.

And if you will read this thread carefully, you can see that Teal thought his pride was being attacked and started acting in a immature manner. The quip about this all being freshmen animation, etc. etc. I think his notion that I should "contain myself" was his attempt to rile me up. I'll admit I may not have been as precise as he needed to understand me. But I don't think any of my posts were terribly provoking. This whole spectacle does not reflect well on him, either.

>>1586581
I carried you enough through this. You repeatedly maintained a misunderstood notion as to what this is all about, even after my numerous attempts. Yes I'm shaming you. I'm shaming you fro being hard headed, I'm shaming you for being stubborn. I'm telling you that this conversation is going nowhere because it's your fault. I attempted to help by explaining further, but you chose to bullhead a misinterpretation. Shame on you!

[Anonymous No.1586605]

>>1586595
>an open discussion

You've gotten replies. You've gotten drawing demonstrations of why the eye is clipped by the nose, why the mouth is clipped by the lips. You've done nothing to back up your opinions, then diverted the discussion to how you think a redline should or shouldn't be done. You keep moving the goal post.

Which one of these redlines is yours? What redlines have you done? How would you do it? You've given us nothing to work with, only oversensitivity and accusations.

Give us something, not just some offhand opinion. Don't tell us to go looking through every redline, you show us the specific examples. Explain why you are riled up, when the artist who got the redline was fine with it.

>The quip about this all being freshmen animation

Wow, you're sensitive. It IS something that shouldn't have needed explanation, but you asked the question. You don't accept the response, but you can't demonstrate why.

Why not? Why don't you demonstrate how that was wrong, and what you disagree with? Do something to justify all this complaining.

[Anonymous No.1586612]

>>1586595

Come on, just tell us which one of those is your drawing. Show us which one shamed you.

[Anonymous No.1586615]

>>1586595
>I carried you enough through this. You repeatedly maintained a misunderstood notion as to what this is all about, even after my numerous attempts. Yes I'm shaming you. I'm shaming you fro being hard headed, I'm shaming you for being stubborn. I'm telling you that this conversation is going nowhere because it's your fault. I attempted to help by explaining further, but you chose to bullhead a misinterpretation. Shame on you!
No see, that's where you got it wrong. You're attempting to shame others...by implying they're stupid for not understanding something you never explained, while saying that someone who explains themselves in explicit detail is shaming others for NO REASON YOU CAN SAY. All you say is
>He's arrogant!
But you don't say how or why.
>He's shaming!
But don't say how or why.
>I attempted to help by explaining further,
Except you didn't, you fucking idiot. You never said how these critiques are arrogant in tone or shameful. Your tone is waaaaay more arrogant, since you put yourself on a pedestal and try to shit down on everyone. Which makes you a goddamn hypocrite AGAIN.

See, it's easy to pick apart your posts for the bullshit they are. As easy as your mom. See, shaming involves making someone feel bad for being inadequate at something- you know, like how girls laugh at you when you pull your pants down. People interested in shaming others don't waste time with explanations, because they're only out to down people.

BAM. I just fucking killed your entire argument with logic. Which is super effective, because your posts carry all the signs of being made to shame people while his don't.

So let's see: I have defined how you're being an arrogant, shaming hypocrite and Teal isn't. Come at me bro, but I already know you can't.

Inb4;
>You're arrogant!
Ain't about me bitchtits. And yeah, I am. I'm demoing this so you understand what it is, because you are so very thickheaded.

[Anonymous No.1586643]

[Anonymous No.1586663]

>>1586573
Hey thanks for this I found it really educating! Is there any other link to Teals stuff that's a bit more long lasting? I really don't see what's your problem and hope you're just a troll, I'd be happy to have my stuff redlined that well and explained by him!

[Anonymous No.1586666]

>>1586663
That's all there is, anon. Save 'em when you see 'em.

[Anonymous No.1586673]

>>1586666
To bad,well let's go saving.

[Anonymous No.1586728]

>>1586108
I thought it was kind of obvious? Like the other person said it looks like shit. It doesn't fit the face so the proportions are off and it isn't even accurate.

[Anonymous No.1586808]

>>1586160
Cool, you actually responded.
I think you realized it yourself when you drew that because it doesn't look like you usually would draw.
for example, this time your far eye actually touches the edge of the face, usually it doesn't and that was what i was getting at.
It's both the fact that the eye is sticking to the nose as well as the freakin HUGE distance from the eye to the side of the face that just makes it look "wrong".
pic related is what you would usually draw.

Also you have to understand that this kind of style is based on children, there is almost no nose bridge to speak of.
The far eye barely touches the nose in a 3/4 angle. Or to be more precise, it doesn't get COVERED by the nose. Only an adult nose can do that, and even then it depends on the face type.

[Anonymous No.1587097]

>>1586573
>http://imgur.com/a/8eHzD?gallery

You really think that not every d/ic/k has this collection and reads it like the bible?, if they were shaming, hypocritical, or arrogant in any sort of way, believe me, someone would have mentioned already; on this board are experts in the field. It's seems like you are seeing Teal's technical approach and deepening as condescension.

Also, you haven't post graphical prove of your arguments and that's what's really making me mad.

[Anonymous No.1587106]

>>1586595
>freshmen animation
This is the only piece of assertive comment directed towards the person rather than the drawing that I've heard from teal, and it's not even CLOSE to be as arrogant as the 80% of the critiques write on this board.

Just let us know already: Wich part of your body did teal touch that make you so uncomfortable?

[Anonymous No.1587211]

Is Manga studio worth it if I already bought a copy of Photoshop CS5? I'm watching some videos right now but so far I didn't find anything that convinced me. Does anyone have experience with it?