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[Anonymous No.1525104]

Hey there everyone how are you all doing? So I am fairly new to drawing, in a sense of doing more than school drawings and a few good pieces here and there. I've been drawing for about a month now. I'm having trouble with hands, any advice? Here is my first try at a hand any tips?

[Anonymous No.1525105]

I do know my middle finger angle is off I rushed and messed up. My mistake. If you want to see more work let me know. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1525136]

>>1525104
the whole hand is off, you're doing symbol drawing instead of drawing what you see. You need to break down your head inserting its own agenda first...i.e. drawing from the right side of the brain.

How do you do this? You learn from "Drawing From the Right Side of the Brain." It's there in the sticky (or a simple google search should suffice). Look at it.

After you learn how to actually observe, then you can begin learning anatomical construction and proper proportions.

[Anonymous No.1525156]

I have been reading the sticky and I don't really get the whole idea of symbol drawing. I'll show you a picture of a can of Pepsi I did, maybe you'll see more of my style and give me specific things tto practice. Thanks for the top to try the drawing from the right side of the brain I'll look it up in just a second. I also know I need shading practice, just practice in general I just don't know where to take it. Or if I'm just really terrible and should give up. Keep just doing doodles.

[Anomalous No.1525159]

>hurr durr read teh stickee

pretty much the only answer you're gonna get in this shithole

[Anonymous No.1525161]

Symbol drawing basically just means you're drawing everything flat. Think of a chalk outline that they police draw around a dead body. That's how you're drawing things. You're only drawing the outline and not the three dimensional forms involved.

Learn how to draw ellipses, spheres and boxes in perspective.

[Anonymous No.1525162]

>>1525159
If you don't know how to draw maybe.

[Anonymous No.1525166]

Well I think that's one because though I was good at musical things in school my forte was math and science so I am left side thinker. Could you possibly give me something to draw and then pick at it. Like maybe me giving pictures of my process. My main style is the ovals and then cleaning it up. Them like tattoos worrying about my outlines to hold everything in.

[Anonymous No.1525175]

>>1525156
Damn I really like your style actually. Keep goin!

[Anonymous No.1525180]

>>1525159

Relax, there's no use in ciritquing work that is this early. It would just confuse him. he has hundreds of hours ahead of him and all he has to do right now is draw.

[Anonymous No.1525191]

So I'm using the website quick pose here is the first step just getting her body shape. Any pointers so far? What next doing the shapes of the shadows to conform to her body? Thanks so far guys.

[Anonymous No.1525193]

>>1525191
its going to take awhile before you train yourself to see 3d forms but you eventually want to be able to draw in 3d space. practice drawing some stuff from real life, simple things like cups. just try to get the form and proportions correct. i would advise to stay away from photos for awhile right now you should just be drawing from life and imagination, you can start studying masterworks and other things later on.

[Anonymous No.1525197]

>>1525191
I'm not going to knock you attempting to draw the human body and practicing figure drawing, but I will say that it's like jumping over many initial steps that will help you to achieve better understanding of looking at the form as a 3 dimensional object in perspective.

I think your time would be better spent studying perspective, observational drawing, and other techniques to REALLY learn to see. You are definitely in the realm of symbol drawing at the moment, i.e. drawing mental representations of what you think things look like rather than carefully observing and actually drawing what you see, rather than what you think you see. Things don't have black lines around them, just value changes from the objects next to them.

There are numerous exercises you can do to help break down your brain into letting your eyes take over. For example, hold up your left hand, look at it.. With your drawing hand, draw your hand with one single line, never lifting up the pencil. Observe every fold in your skin, every nuance... and most importantly, never look down at your drawing until you're completely done.

Another thing you can do is draw this upside-down, keep it how it is. Don't turn it over, keep it upside-down while you draw it.

Sorry, I can't find a better version of this photo, I'm sure some other anon can provide.

[Anonymous No.1525202]

Dang I posted it on the main wall. Woops! :/

[Anonymous No.1525204]

I read to draw the upside down picture to break my self of it. I just don't see how out would help me. My favorite thing to do is look at 5-6 pictures as references then draw what I want usually a pose I imagine with looking at things other artists have done. The reason I'm working on anatomy now is because my fiance wanted a tinker Bell. I wanted to please her and practice and the hands are what started it, really I dont like any of her though. Oh and this is what I consider my pin up twist.

[Anonymous No.1525208]

This was me trying to figure out depth and shadows because I love how majestic animals can be drawn to be. It became moree of a cartoon though. This was soon after starting. Fyi

[Anonymous No.1525217]

Surely you can draw a hand much better if you can draw like this >>1525202
I seriously hope you aren't trolling, but I'm inclined to think you are. Please don't waste the boards time and just delete this thread, we get enough shitposting as it is.

[Anonymous No.1525223]

No I'm serious that was my first attempt at draw the ovals to mark where the light was and where it was really dark. Then the shading a lot easier to make look realistic. This is me doing it in real time. I'm really need and unsure of my work.

[Anonymous No.1525227]

I just drew the tinkerr bell last night tonight the hand and then this woman.

[Anonymous No.1525235]

>>1525227
Try drawing your own hand. A good way to get rid of symbol drawing your hand is to draw it with your finger tips pointing towards you and your index finger touching your thumb. Give it a shot, remember to close one eye while viewing. Also try to draw blind a few times (drawing while still looking at the subject). Also, don't use an eraser.

[Anonymous No.1525261]

Well I mean I did use my own hand. As if it was on my laptop. I'm a big dude though. My hand looks flat, see. Until you all commented I thought I did okay, not perfect but decent.

[Anonymous No.1525349]

>>1525261
skinny as fuck

[Anonymous No.1525356]

>>1525204
don't avoid the tried and true methods of learning to see properly. Do the blind contour drawings, upside down drawings, etc. You don't see how it will help you now, but you will see it in the end when you stop sucking.

The reason copying the upside-down drawing works is because while you're doing it, you stop seeing shit as "a hand" or "a nose" ,but rather as various lines. I'm giving you the value of every art school's basic 101 teaching for free, take advantage of it.

You desperately need it because you're stuck heavily in a symbol zone. I know you like to look at a bunch of reference photos at the moment but it's just not working, you're not ready for that right now. Before you can draw, you need to learn how to see.

[Anonymous No.1525377]

>>1525261

what's it like to have fingers as chubby as your penis?

[betty No.1525459]

>>1525356
This.

[Anonymous No.1525747]

So is there a guideline to drawing things, up side down. Such as keep to these kinds of photo's. I don't know what to focus on at the moment. As far as the asshole cracking fat joke, I guarantee you you won't name one I haven't heard. Sorry you're shit out of luck. I am hear to figure out why I'm stuck in symbolism. Specific practice pieces to try. Post em, I'll post my rendition of it.

[Anonymous No.1525749]

Also, I am not sure how the Blind Contour Drawing will work. My whole perception of the piece would be off on the x and y axis. I feel like it would be just a big blob of nothing.

[Anonymous No.1525841]

Damn this was really a lot more difficult to draw then I though, a lot of which was because taking so much in at once and needing it all to lie into perspective right with each other. I believe the blind drawing actually helped because at first I started at the top left, got a 1/4 through and had not a clue where to go with it. So I ended up having to start over and just draw shapes to get some placements and then focus on the line work. Thank you for showing me the lesson. I see more of where my problem is I still need guidance though could someone possibly like what to draw next or what you did to overcome this? Also as you can see, hands are still the most difficult thing for me. I think the picture all looks okay, except the hands.

[Anonymous No.1525842]

Would anyone else be willing to post their try at this?

[Anonymous No.1525846]

>>1525156
>symbol drawing
Look at the popper on the can you drew and then look at the actual one on the can, particularly size-wise. You didn't draw what you saw.

[betty No.1525845]

>>1525747
There are some and I only know of the one: if you absolutely have to name a part or detail you are drawing, give it a name unrelated to what it is. Name it a color, an animal, whatever you like, name it anything but what it actually is or what it reminds you of.

[Anonymous No.1525848]

>>1525104

[Anonymous No.1525852]

Well the can top wasn't up I drew it on there because I felt as though it was missing something after I threw the can away. Thanks for the observation though.

[betty No.1525854]

>>1525852
>You didn't draw what you saw.

[betty No.1525855]

>>1525848
Fantastic!

OP, check this out.

[Anonymous No.1525856]

Wow who ever re did my hand thank you. I would definitely be grateful to hear what you say and would like your guidance. The picture you did off of mine is way better. What you did really shows me what I wasn't seeing thank you.

[Anonymous No.1525894]

>>1525848
i fucking love you man, you did some guides here before right?

[Anonymous No.1525971]

>>1525749
that's the point. You make a drawing that looks like shit, but you slow down and observe what's actually there, not what you think is there.

[Anonymous No.1525973]

>>1525841
the issue with this is you're still seeing them as hands when you draw... so in your head, you're thinking, "I'm drawing a finger right now... fingers look like this." You're wrong. You're not drawing a finger. You're drawing lines with angles. Judge distance with the negative space. Look at distance with the lines next to the line you're drawing. Look at the shape the white space makes.. you're just making a triangle, or something. Think of it that way, break it down.

[Anonymous No.1525978]

>>1525208
>inb4 simba 2.0

[Anonymous No.1526868]

So I've been doing pretty well as far as progress I believe. I have been working on doing blind drawing so that I just draw exactly what I see without worrying about how it is and just shutting out the idea that its bad. Thank you. I myself see a lot of preogress thus far in my hands. This is way better then the first picture I posted. Thanks for the pointers. I am sure I'll need more. However I think right now its just going to be practice, practice, practice. Let me know what you think? And any advice of what you think I should do.

[Anonymous No.1526871]

I have went in and fix the putter edge a little to make it look more correct to me. And some tweeks on the shading. I am going to leave it now though and just know that with each project I'll become better.

[Anonymous No.1528024]

So I'm working along with the Betty Edwards video, and instead of using a chair, because of lack there of I used a fan. Which I hadn't anticipated to be as difficult because of the grate around the blades. However, this was something with as simple as a background that was something along the lines of her lesson. So here's how it turned out, I'm not extremely happy however this was mainly practice for negative spaces, and proportion to work on the 3D of it. Do you believe I am making progress with symbol drawing? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1528025]

Forgot pic.