/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.1493983]

What does /ic/ think of Noah Bradley's art camp?

http://www.noahbradley.com/artcamp/

[Anonymous No.1493986]

>>1493983
Sounds alright. Cheap for a summer class sort of thing, critique and connections would be nice. Also, the lessons themselves seem alright.

Honestly, I'd have signed up at the beginning if I'd known about it. I'm sitting on my ass at home anyways, might as well have done something with my summer.

[Anonymous No.1493987]

>>1493986

You can supposedly begin it at any time without missing anything

[Foals !!PRplWPrmU4S No.1493991]

you'll get more out of the sticky and it's mostly free.

there's nothing in that course outline you can't learn on your own. he's not providing any type of ground-breaking information. he's just giving you "a lot of stuff" (quantity!= quality). you'd have to be an incredibly lazy person to sign up for a course like this. it's much more valuable of a learning experience to make mistakes, solve them, and reflect rather than someone holding your hand the whole way through with weekly paintovers and lecturing.

>10 hours of bonus content
>2 hours of new HD video content every week
>12 hours of additional content

and definitely be skeptical when the copy is as slick as that. gross.

[Anonymous No.1494020]

his work is very, uh... mediocre. even that's more credit than it deserves, honestly. he's been weirdly successful pimping himself; he regularly gets his work on the front page of Reddit, for instance... but he's not a major talent by any means.

ironically, if you think his work is awesome, then you're probably at a level that he could teach you something. But there are better classes out there.

[Anonymous No.1494032]

>>1494020

>Mediocre

How? He may not be the most amazing artist in the world but he definitely has an impressive level of skill

[Anonymous No.1494035]

>>1494032
>an impressive level of skill

yeah, go ahead and take his class

[Anonymous No.1494036]

>>1493991
foals takin shots, i like it!

All the artists keep quiet about anything negative. But you sir, calling bullshit on things. You're the best.

[Anonymous No.1494044]

>>1494036
you mean other artists act professionally?

[Anonymous No.1494042]

>>1493983
Noah Bradley had a decent following on CA? I believe. Then he kind of got obsessed with marketing and selling art instruction. Instead of continuing to better his own work.

I was happy to see him make the front page of reddit. But now I see he's going for cheap quick fame to sell garbage.

[Anonymous No.1494046]

>>1494035
>>1494020

Who do you consider to have an exceptional level of skill then?

[Anonymous No.1494053]

>>1494036
Tripfag on ic, must be a legit source.
>>1494044
+1

[Anonymous No.1494060]

>>1494046

For environment stuff? Look at Ryan Church, or Andree Wallin, or Mullins, or literally hundreds of others. I don't have my whole reference library at work, or I'd give you a big list... Honestly, I have nothing against NB, but, if you think he's a top-drawer talent worthy of buying a class from... you're either underexposed to the real level of competitive concept art, or too inexperienced to tell good work from mediocre, or both.

[Anonymous No.1494065]

>>1494042
How is what he does any worse than what Kohr from CTR Paint, Idrawgirls or Daarken does? They are all slightly above average artists who try to make a quick buck on the side by selling tutorial videos. I mean, I personally don't need the service they offer so I really couldn't care less, but it's not like they are hurting anybody either and it's definitely not a shady business practice, their business model is perfectly clear. They don't advertice any secrets that will make you instantly an amazing artist like this retard criticizes >>1493991

[Anonymous No.1494068]

>>1494060
Not that guy, but call me when Craig Mullins does his next 12 week art course where he does daily paintovers and crits....oh wait nvm.

[Anonymous No.1494078]

>>1494053
>good artist draws better than me
>shit on him every chance i get

stay classy

[Anonymous No.1494081]

>>1494078
Sounds like what the Foals impersonator was doing with Noah Bradley here, doesn't it?

[LP No.1494096]

Pros:
-12, 2~ hour demos, 1/week
-Additional demos from other artists (Cynthia Sheppard, and Daarken + Atey Ghailan coming up), Cynthia's demo is 4~ hours.
-Community of regularly-posting artists to be a part of and network with. The amount of people regularly posting gave me a lot more perspective on how much work is actually needed to keep up and get better.
-Critique sessions once a week (at varying times to accommodate widely-varying timezones)
-Cheap as fuck for a class + community access that you have permanent access to.
-Regimented schedule of goals to hit for the week (that are basically unobtainable unless you literally do nothing else except art).

Cons:
-The community itself doesn't critique each other's stuff much, a lot of FB likes and such.
-Noah tries to accommodate everyone's interests, so when he does stuff to try to pander to character artists, it's very obvious that he's not a character artist, and it tends to feel like wasted demo time.
-Some demo content is easily-obtained knowledge

Uhh.. I don't know what else I can objectively say about it. I got it for $160 because I preordered and got the Art of Freelancing vid. I can answer any questions people have though.

>>1493991
I don't really agree that the sticky is "more" useful. I think that you get different things out of either resource. The sticky is quite book-heavy for my tastes. Books are amazing, and believe me I have a bunch of them, but they can be difficult to learn from at times. Several of those books cited are just as filled with obvious knowledge. Hale's Lessons from the Great Masters felt hand-holdy, but I suppose it wouldn't be for a beginner.. I question why it's "advanced".

[Anonymous No.1494102]

who is foals?

I'm new here

[Anonymous No.1494103]

Noah didn't you make a thread the other day ? you're fucking scum

[LP No.1494108]

>>1494060

>>1494068
What this guy said. No shit people like Mullins, Jaime Jones, Shaddy, Robh Ruppel, Nathan Fowkes, etc are better than Noah. He's clearly not implying that he's better than them and charges as such. Fowkes's class on Schoolism is $1000. Shaddy hasn't posted anything in forever (video content anyway). Mullins went super internet emo and has basically no content around. Jaime has like nothing on the net for demos. So on and so forth.

Noah's objectively better than anyone else here (as far as I'm aware?), and he's certainly not Jaime yet. However, the fact alone that he's much better means there are things you can learn from him.

[Anonymous No.1494106]

>>1494068

Mullins has a lot of material out there if you know where to look. His Gnomon masterclass was great, and his old posts on sijun are a gold-mine.

But if you want Noah Bradley to teach you how to paint over-saturated, noisy environments with cube-buildings and that same rock texture on everything, with the same 3 spindly character silhouettes in the extreme foreground, go for it.

[Anonymous No.1494116]

>>1494060
>Ryan Church
is this him ? because to my untrained eyes, it looks like shit. Just like many other pictures on that website.

[Anonymous No.1494118]

>>1494106
I'm just saying, you will never find artists of Mullin's callibre doing 12 week demos with daily paintovers and crit sessions, unless it's for MUCH more money. Noah's pricing is about the same price range as Matt Kohr, yet no one on /ic/ ever had a hate-boner for that guy, even though he's not exactly amazing either.

Is it just a psychological thing that makes people really hate the notion of Noah charging 250 bucks? I bet if he didn't sell a 12 week bundle but instead charged 15-20 $ per single video like Daarken and Matt are doing, no one would give a shit.

[Anonymous No.1494120]

>>1494108
>Noah's objectively better than anyone else here (as far as I'm aware?)

except he's not. not anywhere close. And no, you don't have to go to the triple-A rockstar names to find better artists than Bradley; they're literally all around the net.

NB is like 23, a recent art-school grad, and really good at getting his name around. That's all he is, though. He's just not a great painter yet. If you think he's awesome, by all means take his class... but trust me: once you reach a certain level, you're going to look back at your past self this and shake your head.

I still cringe when I think of the people I used to think were amazing, unattainable-level art-gods. When you're a noob, you have no sense of what's good. I used to think Mullins was boring and overrated...

[Anonymous No.1494126]

>>1494116
meant to post this

[LP No.1494128]

>>1494120
Who around here gets work from Wizards or equivalent clients? I was leaving my opinion open to be corrected, so I'm genuinely curious. I agree that he's not an art god, but everyone seems to think that he considers himself one.

[Anonymous No.1494132]

>>1494128
There's only 3 real professionals that visit this site. One works at Feng's school (blanking on his name) and the other 2 are roughly around Noah's level.

[Anonymous No.1494136]

>>1494116
Yeah, you must have very untrained eyes then and you might also be a little bit of an idiot as well, if you believe one of the biggest industrial designers and matte painters in the movie industry is namedropping himself on fucking /ic/ to get a few views on the homepage he never updates.

[Anonymous No.1494139]

>>1494136
I meant, is the artwork posted here
>>1494126
is actually his ? found it on ryanchurch.com and it looks like shit so I was just wondering if it's a legit source. Because it does look like shit.

[Anonymous No.1494140]

>>1494120
I cringe at posts that talk about the untrained eye.

[LP No.1494141]

>>1494136
I think he was specifying Church, not that he thought that was actually Church, haha. I don't really like a lot of Church's work myself. The mashup of rudimentary 3d shapes to fill up space and generate buildings is ehhh. It's hard to talk about his work as a whole since it's all over the place, but his colors are a bit on the boring side.

I suppose I'm talking mostly in terms of my aesthetic, but that 3d mashup especially really doesn't do it for me, haha.

[Anonymous No.1494142]

>>1494126
I'm not feeling this. Soryy.

[Anonymous No.1494143]

>>1494120
NB is 23? That changes EVERYTHING.

I seriously thought he was in his 40s based on pictures and self-portraits.

Time to do some work.

[LP No.1494146]

>>1494143
He's like 24-25 I think. Your reaction still stands, haha. (I'm 23, ; ;)

[Anonymous No.1494147]

>>1493983
I would take this class, because believe it or not. I need help finishing pictures. I don't know what it is, but I even admire those "shit" artists on DA that draw furry and sonic. Yadda yadda, at least they get out there finish a fucking picture and publish it with no regrets. I NEED that.

[Anonymous No.1494151]

>>1494120

>claims to be an elder god patrician of /ic/
>doesn't know that you can't fucking spoiler on /ic/

[Anonymous No.1494155]

>>1494120
but he's better than basically everyone on this board

I mean, we've got appleflinger but he doesn't do crit and that's about it.

and the class is incredibly cheap

[Anonymous No.1494164]

>>1494132
>There's only 3 real professionals that visit this site.


...


it's an anonymous board, Sherlock. You have no idea who comes here. I can say with 100% certainty that there are professionals here who just give crits, and don't post their own work or anything else to identify themselves.

[Foals !!PRplWPrmU4S No.1494168]

>this whole thread

he is not going to *teach you* anything. he is trying to earn some passive income, though . it's spelled out quite clearly in the extent of his clever copywriting. the picture attached contains examples collected from the page.

for the accusers of my criticism stemming from a deep seated jealousy for Noah's skillset- this is about bringing awareness to what is /actually/ being sold under the guise of an 'art camp'. these videos are the organic microwaveable dinner equivalent of "art" instruction. pre-cooked yet advertised to be healthy.

be a little more skeptical /ic/. I know it's summer time and there are a lot of desperate high-schoolers trying to improve some ar7 skillz in their free time but please, don't waste your money on this stuff. you are better off spending that same money on a bus ticket to and actually sitting in front of a painting made by someone who wasn't /just/ trying to get your dollars. we're young- we should be a little more adventurous!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_art_museums

[LP No.1494174]

>>1494168
Being transparent about his own product? Blasphemy!

[Anonymous No.1494179]

>>1494164
Perhaps I worded it wrongly. I mean 3 real professionals that visit this site, that we know of.
I obviously can't comment on whoever else comes here as you said they're Anonymous. Thus the only real ones worth mentioning are those 3.

[Anonymous No.1494181]

>>1494020
>>1494042
>>1494168

This. Noah started out fine and still has potential to get seriously good, but for a while now he just does the same old shit but promotes it like crazy. Turning point I think was when he made a "tutorial" which was basically him talking about how art school cost him a shit ton of money for a couple of hours, but it made him enough money to pay off all his student debt and also go on holiday to NZ for a month. Since then it's more and more just him promoting himself over the top everywhere, spamming all over the place. At the start he used to make fake reddit accounts and post his stuff on there too. It worked, sure, but think you should focus on getting better, not on getting more famous.

[Anonymous No.1494184]

>>1494168
That requires a lot of determination and discipline.

Think of any kind of schooling as a way to get advice from someone who's actually "made it" and as a means of networking. The rest is a bonus.

[Foals !!PRplWPrmU4S No.1494190]

>>1494174

[Anonymous No.1494203]

For $250 you could subscribe to new masters academy for a year (or 8 months on premium) and get videos from a range of artists (including Vilppu who alone has about 30+ hours worth of materials) and you'd get a lot more content throughout that time period.

[LP No.1494207]

>>1494190
What on earth is your point?

[Foals !!PRplWPrmU4S No.1494211]

>>1494207

is that a rhetorical question or are you sincerely having difficulty inferring the meaning of my post without my an explanation verbatim?

[LP No.1494213]

>>1494203
Oh wow. I think I heard about this a while back, but totally forgot about it. Thanks anon. Vilppu and Huston? Aw yis.

[Anonymous No.1494217]

>>1494213

I'd forgotten about it too, I was going through my bookmarks earlier and found it. I was amazed by how much material there seems to be and at such a reasonable price as well. I've started the free trial but I definitely think I'll be subscriping.

[LP No.1494220]

>>1494217
I likely will as well in the future. It looks great for learning more about the figure. Definitely more focused than what Noah's camp is. I think Noah would be better off doing a focused thing with everything relating to environments if he was going to do another camp-style event.

[Anonymous No.1494225]

>>1494203
Thanks, anon! I wasn't even aware of this.

>>1494220
>I think Noah would be better off doing a focused thing with everything relating to environments if he was going to do another camp-style event.
Indeed.

[Anonymous No.1494227]

>>1494203
Yeah i signed up for something similar it was like a precurrsor to TAD and it was i think 4 weeks.

wtith live chats from 30 or so different pros.. Whit Brachna. Carl Dobsky. Corro.. Manley etc...

John Foster..

Each covered something they were best at and they all did crits and reviews and shit..

i doubt this fag can even compare.. his work is mediocre in the like of any of these legends.

He is Better than :"sickbrush" who imo sucks ass and don't know why he would call himself that at all.

[Anonymous No.1494229]

>>1494220

Figures does seem to be it's strong point, which when you have Vilppu doing videos for you isn't a bad thing, but there does seem to be some decent coverage of other subjects, like a whole section on composition, as well as animal anatomy, and technical skills like perspective and basic shading/hatching.

[LP No.1494231]

>>1494229
Huston's color theory stuff looks really solid. If I go through anything while I'm using the time of the trial for now, it'll probably be that. Definitely a decent representation of other fundamentals though, for sure.

[Anonymous No.1494234]

>>1494203

While we're mentioning this, has anyone here subscribed to New Masters Academy? Is it any good?

[LP No.1494241]

>>1494234
I just signed up for the free trial that has all the content to check it out. It looks great. It being worth 19 a month isn't even a discussion really.

[Anonymous No.1494252]

[Anonymous No.1494260]

>>1494227
>>1494252
Hateboners everywhere.

[Anonymous No.1494292]

>>1494252
Still beats your way of making it as an artist:
>wasting time shitposting about other artists on 4chan

[Anonymous No.1494310]

>>1494292
good one!

[Anonymous No.1494391]

>>1494106
what other gnomon dvd has he got. i have only run into "Traditional Art Values Applied to Digital Art with Craig Mullins"
i really what to listen to more

[Anonymous No.1494402]

>>1494106
>Mullins Sijun forums

Does anyone know what his user name is on Sijun?

[Anonymous No.1494446]

>>1494402

spoogedemon.

cicinimo is jaime

[Anonymous No.1494484]

>>1494446
you said mullins was spoodgedemon?

man, i wish those image links weren't lost. but i dont think they were meant to last this long.

[Anonymous No.1494496]

>>1494260
lel speaks truth.. about him being mediocre.. gets called hater.. lel.

would you really hire him to do your trippple a game?

i wouldn't nor would i pay cash to learn from this nub.

[Anonymous No.1494497]

>>1494260
>>1494260
>Hateboners everywhere.

it's because he's mediocre but he promotes himself like he's a superstar (which is fine; more power to him), but then all the noobie teenagers have to try to stuff his balls down their throats and it's gross to watch

[Anonymous No.1494625]

let's praise our new good.

[Anonymous No.1494627]

let's praise our new god.

[Anonymous No.1494633]

>>1494496
>lel
>lel
>nub

Yeah, NB sucks and I agree with you, but I really want you to get the fuck out and never come back.

[Anonymous No.1494635]

>>1494497
But the only noobie teenagers I see are the ones who are foaming out of their mouth from anger, trying to hate him to death. The few people who did post something positive about his art camp in this thread were quite reasonable.

>"yeah, he isn't great, but he's better than me and the pricing is low and I believe I'll be learning something from itt"

versus:

>"LEL he sucks he is a nub wud u rly hire this scrub? LEL get rekt viral marketer what a faggot he is so bad, Creig Mullis is much better anyway"

[Anonymous No.1494654]

>>1494260
That's one of the dumbest expressions i've ever heard

[Anonymous No.1495040]

>>1494391
anyone have links?
cgpeers had none lastime i checked

[Anonymous No.1495043]

>>1494181
I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one making some of these threads as well. It fits his bill of advertising everywhere.
You can see his plateauing of skill, a lot of his work has become the same old same old recently. Incredibly boring.

[Anonymous No.1495088]

>>1493983
i can't believe im a couple months older than this guy but i still tease my sister and he looks like hes 35

[Anonymous No.1495210]

>>1494635
An amazing example of confirmation bias.
>people who agree with me are reasonable
>people who don't agree with me are retarded