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Got given a tablet for my birthday. I love it but heres the problem. I've never drawn before in my life. Had a look at the links on this page but it just isnt helping.

>> mfw cant even draw simple drawings
>> tips n tricks on drawing
>> how to use a tablet
>> drawings done on a tablet

>> No.1471100

>>1471099
OP here. How long did it take you guys to learn the art?

>> No.1471104
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I did this for a thread earlier and I'm fairly satisfied of my progress so far. I'm of the most casual art hobbyist type. I doubt it takes very long to get to a decent level if you actually put time and effort into it. Doing studies, routine and all that stuff really speeds up the progress (i assume)

>> No.1471107

For bump sake

>> No.1471111

Why did you got a tablet if you never draw before? Do you mean a Wacom or one of those new paperwights?
Get Keys To Drawing by Bert Dodson and practice on paper before using the tablet.

>>1471100
2 years.

>>1471107
/ic/ is a slow board.

>> No.1471112

>>1471111
was a gift. my sister doesn't know me too well obviously hahaha

>> No.1471113

>>1471111
a Wacom bamboo. Not sure how good it is, never even heard of them before

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>>1471099

>> No.1471117

>>1471112
Or maybe she wants you to pick up a hobby

>>1471113
Wacom bamboo what exactly? I got 'wacom bamboo one' and 'wacom bamboo pen&touch'. Both are just fine at what they do, bamboo one was 4:3 though so when i switched to widescreen monitor it was really awkward to use

>> No.1471118

>>1471117
"Bamboo Pen" if that helps. could I learn to draw on this instead of a pen and paper?

>> No.1471119

Just gonna piggy back here
How does one even begin to do anatomy?
or draw, basically, where does one start?
What are some routines i should do, I love repetition, kinda like a quest in a game, do this x amount of times to get y

>> No.1471121

>>1471104
actually, what did you do to improve? i'd love to know.

>> No.1471122

>>1471119
Check out Keys to drawing

>> No.1471123

>>1471122
is that in the sticky?

>> No.1471128

>>1471121
Just draw stuff I like, that stuff mostly being characters from games I like. I also checked out a lot of other peoples works for inspiration

>> No.1471398

>>1471128
I thought I posted this but I wrote the wrong captcha.

That's all? I do that too, and i stil;l haven't improved. There has to be something

>> No.1471410

>>1471104
do you have some tumblr or dA? I'd love to check it.

>> No.1471415

>>1471119
Well, one thing you should do first is practicing to draw straight lines in one fluid motion, then go on with circles etc.
What you need to know about anatomy is that everything you see, may it look simple (like a forearm for example) or complicated (hand), can be broken down to basic geometry. An arm is basically a cylinder, a finger is made up of 3 cylinders (except for the thumb, in this case it's two), a head is constructed from a circle and a rectangle and so on and so forth. Try to draw from a reference (pictures are okay, preferably real life though, especially later on when you made some good progress) to get a good feeling for proportions, depth and value.

And the key to it all:
Practice, and if you've practiced enough, practice more

>> No.1471416

>>1471415
Also you may want to start out with simple stuff like inanimate things (apples, to pick up a cliché, or a simple lamp). When you're drawing humans, start out with simple gestures. Also, don't focus on details so much until you got the basics down.

>> No.1471421

>>1471415
>>1471416

I cant even draw a straight line, it always looks fine, but when i measure it, it never is straight.

Basic shapes are boring but I guess that's what I have to do.

I have a real problem with spacing, symmetry and such.

I cant seem to draw te same thing twice, eyes are the worst.

>> No.1471424

>>1471421
I know that symmetry problem. Just don't expect everything to go well all the time. I also just want to point out that I'm only a hobbyist and by no means an expert on the subject, but I think the advice I gave you thus far will help you making progress. Just remember to practice and, if you're getting frustrated, take a little break and do something else, like going for a walk, to clear your head.

>> No.1471427

>>1471410
Both but I upload very rarely. Usually when I finish a drawing I post it somewhere else like 4chan and forget about these two
http://www.tumblr.com/blog/uuniperuna
http://uunimod.deviantart.com/gallery/

>> No.1471431

>>1471427
>http://uunimod.deviantart.com/gallery/
Geez, dat improvement

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>>1471431
If you checked the upload dates you could tell the improvement has not been very fast. I don't mind at all though, It's not a race (at least not for me)

Here's my first drawing I ever made on a computer ever. I think it was 2004

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>>1471415
>>1471416
Well here is .. like just showing you my current ability... it's a big file so, warnin'

>> No.1471707

>>1471494
eh needs improvment

>> No.1471900

>>1471494
anyone?

>> No.1471948

>>1471494
Do more measuring with your pencil. Arm straight out and mark off on the pencil with your thumb. The most important concept to keep in mind in art in general is relationships. How tall is that lamp compared to its width? How dark is this part compared with that part? How much more red is in that patch of skin?

>> No.1471952

>>1471948
measuring with a pencil?
I get those concepts, but i have a hard time pulling them off.
I dont really know how to do how to draw books. I just copy what I see in the books and I dont feel like im learning

>> No.1471953

>>1471494
>>1471494
repeat 10x

One thing that really help me when creating a drawing is the draw lines in relation to other lines and to draw in relation to white space, look at the shape of the space between lines and edges and copy that.

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>>1471953
Got it.
and here is my attempt to try and draw from a picture, never really attempted before.

I have no grasp on anatomy

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>>1471984
heres how i would do it.

first do lines to indicate the shoulders and the hips

add in the shapes

put details

shade and fix


sorry i had to do this in ms paint, no photoshop installed

>> No.1471992

>>1471984

start drawing from references more often. It gives you good practice for form, and after a while you get more used to the human figure.

I'm sorry anon, but that head is too funny.
and I'm laughing.

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>>1471984

heres a second way of how I would do it

draw the line of action (how you portray the whole figure to be standing/twisting)

draw in circles to block in the pelvis, chest and head

add in lines to line out the hips to the chest and lines for the arms

put detail and shade

ms paint again, sorry

>> No.1472241

>>1471992
it's okay, i see it's bad too.

No offence, I'm still on the fence about this.
But the way to get better is ti keep doing this?

Obviously I have some problems here, and contining to do it, wouldnt that just reenforce all the errors im making

and yes, tiny head.

>>1471994
>>1471990
These will be useful. I've never had an easy time trying to start a picture

>> No.1472311

>>1471952
You pick an aspect and use it to figure out how many x legnths something is. Like with drawing people most people use heads as measurement, so holding the pencil out, with a straight arm to keep the measurement the same, and use the tip of the pencil to find the top of the head and put your thumb where the chin is.You can then use that head measurement to figure out where other parts fall (usually nipples, bellybutton, groin, knees, feet). Just think how many heads across the shoulders? How many heads tall?

>> No.1472320

>>1471990
this is exactly how i draw my shit before i do any details, ie being finished and my shit still doesn't look good.

>> No.1472327

>>1472311
how tall is one head, im making a character that is about 5ft tall.

>> No.1472332

>>1472327
It's a relative measurement man, not a unit of measurement
http://www.drawinghowtodraw.com/stepbystepdrawinglessons/2010/01/how-to-find-measurements-proportions-and-angles-to-draw-with-pencil-thumb-method/

>> No.1472336

You're not going to learn how to draw amazingly overnight. it takes months, even years of dedication. However, if you're truly fixated on improving, you'll get better in no time.

>> No.1472403

>>1472336
I dont expect to get better over night

>> No.1472602
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>>1471990
I tried your technique, and it def helps me getting started with a picture, which was always my problem.

I still need to work on things but Im glad I've learned this new skill.

>> No.1472624

>>1472602
you're not actually observing. Look at the negative space around the figure, see the shapes of that.

>> No.1472627

>>1472602
saved to my bad art folder. thanks for the ego boost

>> No.1472629

>>1472624
What do you mean.
>>1472627
no problem

>> No.1472632

>>1472627
it wasn't even that bad

>> No.1472633

>>1472629
For example, look at the triangular shape she is creating between her arm and her body (the hand she is touching her hip with). Compare the negative space in that are between your drawing and the photo. Now look at the shape between her legs, that triangle. Compare that one. All around the outside of the body, look at that negative space shape. Being aware of negative space helps you to form positive shapes much better.

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>>1472633
I think I get what you are saying... like this?

>> No.1472639

>>1472637
exactly. Flip your eyes back and forward between positive and negative shapes the whole time you're drawing. I've been drawing my entire life and been in art school for 3 years and I still do this little trick to draw observational things perfectly every time. Just look at the distance between negative space objects. It gets quite complex sometimes, but when you get the skill down, it's a really good skill to have.

>> No.1472640

>>1472639
honestly, i still dont quite get it, but i'll look into some research about it. I'm personally happy I've found a new technique here.

I have al ong way to go though.

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>>1472640
just copy the exact shape. Not a vague triangle like the pink ones you drew, but look at the image I uploaded. Draw the nuance in the negative space shapes or use them as reference when making your lines. Pay attention to distances between these negative spaces to guide yourself through the drawing.

>> No.1472645

>>1472640

Not that guy, but basically, you want to start visually measuring things when you observe. Use the negative space to achieve this more efficiently. Draw imaginary vertical lines with your mind onto the reference you're drawing, and use those reference points for measurements in your work. Think of it like an imaginary grid. Once you get that down you'll be flying, my friend.

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>>1472644
Here is another way to use it within the figure itself.

>> No.1472648

>>1472644
>>1472646
Just picture it like jumping on stones to cross a stream. You're probably going to stop at every rock, look for the next best step, compare distances, decide on which step is best, then leap to that one.

Draw as though things are abstract shapes, compare distances, check angles, know where the fuck you're going before you go there. Don't just go, "I'm drawing an arm and arms do this." Because you're wrong. You don't know anatomy enough to know what the hell arms do. You're not looking at an arm, you're looking at a configuration of shapes next to each other. Compare the relation of these shapes before leaving your mark.

>> No.1472649

>>1472644
>>1472646
another anon here. this is helpful. thank you

>> No.1472650

I'm in the same boat, just got a tablet for my birthday. Considering returning it as I'm not sure it's the best way for me to learn, and I do want to learn how to draw and almost everyone says its better to learn on paper first.

So how true is that?

>> No.1472651

>>1472649
You're welcome. Like I said, it's some trick I still use. It's subconscious really for me now, but I don't have issues drawing anything these days because of all the practice. I can draw anything, the question now becomes, "How do I want to draw something?" It's one of the simplest but most useful tricks that I'm surprised a lot more people don't consider.

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>>1472644
>>1472645
>>1472646
>>1472648
>>1472651
Okay, i think, i somewhat understand, but i'll keep doing these methods

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1472684

I drew this in paint with my mouse, I don't have a pad, someone rate please.

>> No.1472686

>>1472665
You suck.
>>1472684
Love the composition! but it needs work! 5/10!

>> No.1472726

SOMEONE NEEDS LOOMIS!

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>>1472665
not that anon, but maybe you will find this helpful

>> No.1472893

>>1472842
interesting, might take me awhile to process this, but i'll keep this close!

>> No.1472900

>>1472842
>using shapes instead of form
>not doing analytic figure drawing
ishygddt

>> No.1473096

>>1472900
what would you suggest then?

>> No.1473099

>>1473096
plotting the figure out with cubes, spheres and cylinders, comparing measurements, etc.

>> No.1473157

>>1473099
thats more math than i expected to use in art

>> No.1473165

>>1472665
>>1472602
nice dude, you can already see some improvement

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1473186

>>1473165
what, seriously?

>> No.1473197

>>1473186

Yeah. Also how has no one told you to flip your reference picture upside down yet?

Flip your reference picture upside down nigga.

>> No.1473198

>>1473186
improvement, albeit tiny.

>>1473157
life is math, baby. get used to it. I suck horribly with formulas and equations, but visual math is much more intuitive, as you may or may not find..


constructing consists of making a figure out of cubes and spheres, then combining and merging the edges and planes to create a figure or object, or whatever. The easiest way to grasp this is by drawing things from life. you need to be able to explicitly define these shapes before you move onto the next phase. There's a certain taxonomy to drawing, and being able to grasp certain things will lead to the next step. The base level is drawing basic shapes. If you can draw a cube in perspective you can draw anything.


no rules, just tools.

>> No.1473203

>>1473186
i suggest you research tornado drawing and then follow up with eraser drawing

>> No.1473206

>>1473203
tornado drawing?

>> No.1473221

>>1473186
yeah man good job.

>> No.1473252

>>1473221
Thank you. Even if it's a 1% improvment, it's enough to keep me going.

>> No.1473285

>>1473197
why upside down?

>> No.1473288

>>1473285
it makes you stop focusing on what you "think you see"
it forces your brain to be like "oh shit... what are all these shapes and shit?" so then you just copy the shapes without thinking of them as a picture. this forces your brain to think more on the right side. the side that measures distance and relation. rather than the left side which takes the information from the right side and forms it into an entire picture. understand?

>> No.1473333

>>1473288
is that what everyone does? sounds kinda hard, but if it will help me improve then i guess I gotta do it

>> No.1473357

>>1471099
>how to draw
just draw
>how to use a tablet
drag the pen on the surface
>how to improve
keep practicing

jesus christ does everybody new to drawing thing there are shortcuts and easy roads to improvement? it's art, you need infinite repetition and experimentation, you will NEVER be finished. just fucking do it.

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>>1473288
Okay, I tried drawing upside down.
I dont know how I feel about this, it was kinda hard but yeah.

>> No.1473568

>>1473524
r u for realz? did you even bother checking your measurements? did you even take measurements? lel

>> No.1473631

>>1473568
I dont believe I did measurements, Im sorry

>> No.1473636

>>1473631
dont apologize to me, apologize to yourself

>> No.1473668

>>1473636
wanna tell me about measuring?

>> No.1473711

>>1473668

Youtube the Bargue method

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>>1473711
this one?

>> No.1473755

>>1473357
I agree that drawing constantly can improve your drawing but reading books about drawing, getting some tips, etc could help you improve faster

>> No.1474083

>>1473733
nope.

>> No.1474809

Just a tiny bump

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1474854

>>1474809
tips and tricks:

>draw what you see, not what you know (if you're practicing from references, which you probably have to when you start out)
>lrn2gesture
>lrn2anatomy
>lrn2colortheory (once you get good at drawing and wants to paint)
>practice practice practice

honestly, practice drawing on paper as well as on tablet OP, the way your likes and shading feels a lot different with the two media. Same for painting

>> No.1474858

>>1474854
I hate drawing on my tablet.
I draw on paper.

I need to learn all those things

>> No.1474875

>>1471099
>Got given a tablet for my birthday.
Neat!
>I've never drawn before in my life.
Lock the tablet away from any area you can reach and go learn the foundations with a pencil and a piece of paper.

>> No.1474876

>>1474875
>can
can't

>> No.1474877

>>1474854
>draw what you see, not what you know
I've never understood what's the point of this. If I knew what I was drawing I wouldn't be studying it in the first place. I always draw what I see when I'm studying because that's the point of it, right? And it's not very helpful because I still don't know what I am supposed to be doing and the drawing looks like shit, unlike the reference. I've done so much studies and repetition in the past few years I'm starting to think my head is not suited for craft because the drawings I did three years ago are just as bad as the ones I do now

For the record I have drawn 3 hours a day for the past 2½ years and I'm still at square one

>> No.1474882

>>1474877

It's symbolism v.s. representational. If you're studying a portrait and you're trying to draw the eyes, you shouldn't think "I'm drawing an eye" you should think "I'm drawing these series of shapes that I see, the way I see them, so that I create the illusion of an object occupying space". This is something you must drill into your being.

Other key words to study: Construction + Perspective, Value + Form, Composition, Edges + Contrast

to name a few.

Also, 3 hours is less than small-time.

>> No.1474883

>>1471099
http://mark.dustyghost.com/tutorials/graphics-tablet-making-the-change/

To learn how to use your tablet. Which model btw?

>> No.1474884

>>1474858
yeah thats why I suggested doing them both at the same time. Normally, I would say do it on just paper first like >>1474875 did, but I think its good to be able to do both since you ahve both. I only did paper drawings and now I can't be bothered to use tablet because I have to learn how to do everything over again and learn how to make brushes and what not.

>>1474877
it helps me improve a lot actually, but maybe it's just me. May you're not doing it right if it doesnt look like the reference because if you're drawing what you see, then it should look like the reference right? And by "not drawing what you know," I meant not drawing how you imagine something looks like- the symbol for what you're drawing (an eye is oval with a circle in the middle for example). Instead just copy what you see. Don't look at the eye as an eye when you're copying, but as blocks of tones, lights, and shadows coming together. Do it slowly and meticulously. Measure the angles and length carefully, and if you notice something is a little off, correct it right away.

Drawing what you see also helps you understand how the structure of the body works. You don't really just copy, but also learning from what you're copying- How an eye look from a certain angle, how far a nose is from the lips, how the shadow works from a certain angle etc. You can use the experience you have and incorporate into drawings from your imagination

Someone upthere suggested the bargue method, it's a great way to learn how to draw what you see

>> No.1474887

>>1474882
It's still over 3000 hours of practice over the course of the years. It's painstaking to see others do much more progress with less dedication in a shorter time. And I totally get what you mean by the eye thing, I just never get it right. Proportions are crooked and nothing lines up no matter how many guidelines I draw. I kept telling myself It's the lack of practice and I thought I had made some progress but I recently checked out my oldest works it seems like I haven't made progress after the first 2-3 months of drawing in early 2011

>> No.1474896

>>1474884
>if you notice something is a little off, correct it right away
This is amongst my biggest downfalls. I fickle with the details for ages and they never form a picture as a whole, just a series of individual details that are all a bit off from the original. I thought it'd help if I got the anatomy right underneath the details but that falls into the same loop of body parts not being part of a whole body. I can't estimate the proportions of wireframes accurately enough to make a solid foundation for the drawing either

>bargue method
Any liks and does it work with digital medium? I can't do pencils at all due to shaky hands

>> No.1474898

>>1474887

Study construction. One of my biggest breakthroughs came with painfully chipping away at my ignorance of perspective and form. Proportions are fucking easy to get the gist of, maybe if you posted a specific example I could give you better advice.

3 hours is still small-time, there are dudes that have had the same problem you have but they had a breakthrough because they drew 10+ hours a day for those 2 years.

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>>1474887
is that when you started? tbh, that's not that long of a time to be practicing. Most people've drew much longer to get good. Have you taken any good fine art classes?

>>1474896
are you drawing from pictures or model? Ofcourse you don't have to be exact accurate (as most life drawing isn't), just as long as they line up ok and look good as a face overall.
Get the correct shape/measurement for the general form first, then go into details, and you can correct minute mistakes then (you should know how to measure using the length of your pencil and straight arm by now if you're drawing from life by now right?)

I don't have any links, but they shouldn't be hard to find on the internet.
Basically you measure the figure well and use a bunch of straight lines to block in the area where middle tone of the figure is. Then you shade in the middle tone, and then start shading in the rest of the tones.
It should work with digital medium I think, only instead of shading, you'd use thick lines to blot in the different tones

pic's from one of my old drawing teacher's pdf

>> No.1474908

>>1474882
>Also, 3 hours is less than small-time.
It really isn't, there's multiple studies showing the returns of practicing anything(sciences, music, arts, etc) has an extreme diminishing return after a short amount of time.
You get as much from 2 90 minute sessions than just sitting down and doing it for 8 hours.

This applies to everything, and is a major reason why pressure cooker companies don't get more done than companies who take a more relaxed 36-work hour week approach.

The whole "It takes x hours to master it!" thing is bogus and attaching time to how much you spent learning something is dumb because there's a clear difference between ten years of experience and ten years of repeating your first year.

>> No.1474915

>>1474908

3 hours is a fucking warm up when it comes to drilling fundamentals. The early stages are all about grinding it out.

>> No.1474917

>>1473524
my sides

>> No.1474919

>>1474915
>3 hours is a fucking warm up when it comes to drilling fundamentals
You do realise that most art classes are in fact 3 hours long, don't you? It's not a lot, but it's enough to do some work.

>> No.1474925

>>1474903
Art classes/schools cost a shitton of money around here which I have none of, not that I'd be confident enough in my skill level anyhow. Pictures & things around me are the things I can take reference from. Studies and tutorials I do online and scrap together whatever I can

That technique looks interesting but straight lines are not my forte so to speak...

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>>1474925
It' maybe the best technique to get a realistic drawing from reference.
also, it doesn't even require that straight of lines. And if you have trouble making straight lines, hold the pen a little further back and use your elbow instead of wrist. Using grip like pic helps too. Not sure how it works with tablets though since it's a small surface.

If not, you should practice gestures then, and learn how to form smooth, well rounded and accurate strokes and more importantly, learn about negative space, shading and tones.
You'll still have to learn to measure to do drawings that looks like references, but atleast if you're doing sketches, they can look nice

>>1473524
also is this you lol, you have the basic frame down, now go into details and correct your measurements

>> No.1474959

>>1474925
It's maybe the best technique to get a realistic drawing from reference.
also, it doesn't even require that straight of lines. And if you have trouble making straight lines, hold the pen a little further back and use your elbow instead of wrist. Using the violin grip helps too. Not sure how it works with tablets though since it's a small surface.

If not, you should practice gestures then, and learn how to form smooth, well rounded and accurate strokes and more importantly, learn about negative space, shading and tones.
You'll still have to learn to measure to do drawings that looks like references, but atleast if you're doing sketches, they can look nice

>>1473524
also is this you lol, you have the basic frame down, now go into details and correct your measurements

>> No.1474966

>>1474959
Straight lines with tablet are easy because I can use the smooth stroke setting, that really helps me out. It's just really hard for me to do even the simplest wireframes even after all these years, it's frustrating as hell not to be able to see the fucked up proportions before it's too late no matter how much I flip the canvas around. My brain just doesn't click and tell me if there's something wrong. I can see it crystal clear after I've drawn something on top of the skeleton but at that point it's too late to fix anything. Space & perspective are also nebulous to me. Countless tutorials and studies later I'm none the wiser and still can't use any of the things I should have picked up ages ago

And no that's not me

>> No.1474973

>>1474959
Okay (just wanted to say im not the one with the talking about the 3 hours)

Go into finer detail (still upside down?) and measurements... how do I do those? the..Bargue method like >>1473711
said?

>> No.1474997
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1474997

>>1474973
I don't even think you have to upsidedown if you can just ignore the fact that you're trying to draw an eye and just focus on the shape that you see.
If you're drawing from live models, you straighten your arm and use the back of your pencil to measure the distance and angles of things relative to each other then scale them to the size of your drawing.

since you're drawing from a picture, it's even simpler. Just measure straight from the picture and scale to the size of your drawing.

you don't have to bargue if you don't want to, it's more or less the same as drawing a frame, then filling in the details anyways.

>> No.1475036

Here's my understanding,
I don't know if you read the sticky, but definitely read it, and let it be your Bible for the next two years at least. I'm not an expert, but the /ic/ sticky is probably the most sensible "step by step" guide to drawing I have ever seen. If I'm not mistaken, you're at Absolute Beginner so start with ending symbol drawing, work on line control, and practice perspective until you internalize it. Especially get started on mastering and internalizing basic forms.
There isn't a whole lot I can add that the sticky hasn't already covered.

>> No.1475220

>>1474919

You won't be nearly as successful in your studies if you don't put in an admirable slab of time outside of class-time, if you are taking classes.

Also, one of those three hours is typically dedicated to lecture.

>> No.1475725

>>1474997
is it okay to, keep one eye closed? I had a eye problem, where if i close one eye, everything is at a dfiferent distance. My vision is bad.

>> No.1475735
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1475735

>>1475725
dis nigga...

>> No.1475746

>>1475725
>shaky hand
>cant straight line
>bad vision
it's like god WANTS you to be shitty at art. You should just modern art

>> No.1475779

>>1475746
what is God to a non-believer? I'll make this work.

>> No.1475781

I have a related question but didn't want to start a new thread
I started drawing recently and set aside 3 hours a day just to draw stuff and practice, but do you guys have specific stuff you study or just draw anything?

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1475782

>>1471118
>instead

>> No.1475786

>>1475781
Gestures, Anatomy, perspective, light/shadows are probably the most important

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1475808

>>1475725
If this is OP then check out dis shit.

>ctrlpaint
>Loomis
>crimson daggers
Make yo shit on fire yo

>> No.1475868

>>1475808
I'm not op. But I'll check these things out

>> No.1476487

>>1475782
I can't draw shit on paper after years of digital painting. It's a completely different technique, even if I know the theory I can't put it into practice without some getting used to

>> No.1476523

>>1472684
I don't want that!

>> No.1476960

>>1476487
i personally wanna be able to draw digitally

>> No.1478325

this thread is a whole bunch of muh styleq

>> No.1478777
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1478777

>>1473524
this guy here. I've been watching Analytical Figure Drawing Michael Hampton week one.

here's what i've written down so far.

>> No.1479211

>>1478777
this folks is what someone who will never be able to draw looks like

>> No.1479242

>>1478777
honestly? you're too systematic. Just practice over and over it and get the feel

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1479249

>>1479211
don't be mean it's just the stuff in the video, most people try take some notes im sure, here's mine from whenever i did it about 6 months ago or something

>> No.1479250

>>1478777
Great progress!

>> No.1479284

>>1479249
Yeah don't worry about him OP. Typical /ic/ asshole.

Looking good man.

>> No.1479480

>>1479284
i'd like say, I've never been OP.
this is my first post
>>1471121

>> No.1479776

>>1479480
shame, we thought OP was getting better, turns out it was just your garbage

>> No.1479917

>>1479776
sorry.
on another note, I know im not very good with pencil and paper.. but how i get to at least my current level of pencil skills on a tablet?

using the tablet it feels like im drawing on air and the there is not resistance

>> No.1479992

>>1471116
I hate things like that

>draw a circle
>draw the rest

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>>1479992

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1480466

>>1479250
you seriously think so?

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1480471

>>1479992
This guide is perfect. Stay pleb.

>> No.1480533

>>1479992
"draw some guidelines so that you can ignore them"

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1480588

>>1472627

>> No.1480600

Hey there OP your stuff seems very rigid and not very flowing.
No worries here's
FORCE Dynamic Life Drawing For Animators
It'll help you out a great deal

>> No.1480607

>>1480588
What is this, a picture for ants?!

>> No.1480652

>>1480600
i dont think OP ever posted art. That's a different dude.

>> No.1480665

>>1480600
Not OP, but i've been posting.

Thanks. I know my stuff seems stiff and ridgid, but i want to get the basics down first, which, from my pictures i've posted, i havent achieved yet..

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1480827

did some more copying of the video. I still dont quite understand his method... but i'll keep working at it, and do some on my own. at least 100 like the hmwk said.

>> No.1481003

>>1480827
> I still dont quite understand his method
well that's fairly obvious. stop sucking

>> No.1481012
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1481012

>>1480827
gestures are supposed to help you understand the flow of the muscles and the movement the pose is creating. IF you do it enough and apply anatomy, youll kind of understand how certain poses shape certain body part.

>> No.1481015

>>1481012
what the fuck are you doing.
gestrues are generally about the bigger picture, the flow of the pose.
later on you can combine it wit hyour other knowledge, but a beginner should not focus on muscles when doing gestures.

gestures are about speed and understanding of the whole.
you're doing it completely wrong.

>> No.1481019 [DELETED] 

>>1481015
thats exavtly what I said. The whole point of it is to understand the movement of the pose. How the muscle flow through through the body is important for that.
OP was wondeirng what he
It's supposed to help you can get out of it, and I'm just showing him that you can use the gestures and combine that with his understanding of anatomy to actually make something out of it

>> No.1481021

>>1481015
thats exavtly what I said. The whole point of it is to understand the movement of the pose. How the muscle flow through through the body is important for that.
OP was wondeirng what he can get out of it, and I'm just showing him that you can use the gestures and combine that with his understanding of anatomy to actually make something out of it

>> No.1481025

>>1481021
that's what you said but your redline shows something different

>> No.1481026

>>1481025
oh i was just showing him how he could put the muscle on. Shouldve specified that

>> No.1481034

>>1481021
>>1481015
>>1481012
im still learning. It is very complicated to me currently.

>> No.1481586

hey, who are the old masters? i need to draw some gestures from them.

>> No.1481603

>>1481586
www.google.com

>> No.1481633

>>1481603
but who are the old masters?

>> No.1482087

>>1481633
no one knows for sure. they lurked in the shadows many moons ago

>> No.1482091

>>1481633
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Master

>> No.1482562

>>1482091
oh okay, thank you

>> No.1482595

>>1482562
you know OP, if you can't do a simple google search for shit like "Bargue drawing" "old masters" "how to measure model in art" you not only should give up on art, but give up on life as well. Learn shit by yourself, do your own research. /ic/ isnt here to baby feed you

>> No.1482634

>>1471984
that midriff looks pretty good, but then that bra you can just see it looks hurried, like you lost patience. Reminds me of me trying to draw.

>> No.1482640

>kyoryuger filenames
I like you, guy

>> No.1482643

>>1482595
this.
you can draw simple drawings. you just aren't motivated or applying yourself. get serious about it. if you dont get serious you will suck forever.

>> No.1482653

>>1482643
>>1482595
if you cant be bothered to figure out im not op, and that i've said I'm not OP the past 5 times then i dont know what to tell you. Maybe less Snark.

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1482671

just start with some simple objects. use photoshop or gimp If you are serious about drawing on a tablet. pic related (me messing with bamboo tablet for the first time)

>> No.1482944

>>1473524
You've exaggerated your angles on the shoulders and waist. I can see some improvement though, keep working at it!

>> No.1483046

>>1482944
Thank you.
I have much to learn.

>> No.1484124

fwoop

>> No.1484854

anyone else thinks OP sucks and should stop trying?

>> No.1484855

>>1484854
Nah man, I think there's hope for everyone. Even for The One That Shall Remain Nameless.

>> No.1484863

>>1484854
Everyone starts somewhere

>> No.1485899

>>1484863
op could start but stopping

>> No.1486530

>>1484855
who might that be.

>> No.1486533

understand value and negative space.

>> No.1486942

>>1486530
i think they were joking

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1486947

What do you guys think of my first digital painting?

>> No.1486968

>>1486947
Just fuck off and read the sticky.

Study loomis, hampton... Hell anyone really. Just learn how to draw, then you can draw anime.

>> No.1488630

I can't even do Loomis

He says too add all these details to the balls or "blooks". I don't know how to add details? I don't know where things are supposed to go

So if I can't even get past the absolute beginner book on the first exercise, what do I do? I don't want to quit