Do i have talent?

[Anonymous No.1466319]

I wanna make money off of drawing

what do i need to do to achieve my goal?

[Anonymous No.1466321]

practice

[Anonymous No.1466324]

>>1466321
...a lot

[Anonymous No.1466325]

so what should i draw to practice?

[Anonymous No.1466327]

>>1466325

Sonic OCs

[Anonymous No.1466328]

>>1466325
What do you want to draw? Draw that, from reference, a whole lot, and then draw it from memory/imagination, a whole lot, then do it over and over again till someone is willing to pay you for what you do.

[Anonymous No.1466329]

>>1466327
>>1466325

We need more Miku...

:3

[Anonymous No.1466335]

>>1466328
Yea this is pretty much the best advice you could ever get. Some people try to make it a lot more complicated, but in reality this is all you need to do.

[Anonymous No.1466337]

>>1466328
But most important is to truly enjoy what you draw and create.

Also, and THIS is the hardest thing to get through, you will ONLY get better at drawing something better by drawing it more, not less, especially the crappy unfun stuff that has to go with the fun. Remember that, remember that every day. Write it down and put it up where you most often are creative. Every time you draw and it just isn't working out and you're not getting results, ALWAYS plow ahead, never walk away. Also if you want to genuinely get to the point where you can be successful at what you do remove the idea of failure from your mind because if you don't it'll stay in your brain and bother you every time you're set back. Also remember, you only fail if you give up or die trying.

[Anonymous No.1466341]

>>1466329

/l、
(ﾟ､ ｡ 7
l、ﾞ ~ヽ
じしf_, )ノ

nyan?

[Anonymous No.1466342]

>>1466341
nyan~

[Anonymous No.1466344]

>>1466329

*/l、
(ﾟ､ ｡ 7
l、ﾞ ~ヽ
じしf_, )ノ

meow?

[Anonymous No.1466347]

>>1466342

I had to fix the kitty, his ears were messed up :c

[Anonymous No.1466351]

Thanks for the advice so far

This is another picture i drew today

In the opinion of everyone do i have talent or should i just not try?

pic is ruby gloom in an SS uniform to satisfy my friends lust for Germans and ruby gloom

[Anonymous No.1466357]

>>1466351
Having talent doesn't matter. Just keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.1466361]

>>1466351
When you ask if you have talent, there is very little involved in my opinion. It's mostly drawing with knowledge and learning to use the tools you pick up with practice such as gesture by using transition with lines and constructing a character and drawing forms.

I've been drawing every day for about five months now and I got from where you are right now to what I hope is a decent level of draftsmanship today though I still consider myself a beginner.

[Anonymous No.1469436]

>>1466351
obscure question, but you're not drawing that for ToxicKrieg are you?

[Anonymous No.1469474]

>>1466357
Yeah, it doesn't matter, who cares if you will get good at 20 or 120.

[Anonymous No.1469477]

>>1469474
That's not true at all, "talent" only makes a very small difference. The more you practise, the more "talented" you will get

[Anonymous No.1469499]

I faced this matter of talent, skill, gift, effort, etc all of my life. People often conclude doing good is about a bit of talent and a great ammount of hard work. It makes sense, but I think this is still a bit confuse and incomplete, because talent remains a meaningless concept. Think in terms of will, of desire, of determination and taste. What sticks out in talented people and that makes it look so easy and natural is that it is easy and natural for them to want to draw (or do whatever skill we are talking about). There are several reasons that pushes people to draw, there is some sort of economy in our brains deciding what we ought to do and how much effort we put into it. The talented ones are those that, despite the "emotional politics", already have in them a wish to learn that they themselves might not realize or put it in words. So they pay attention to the drawing of what they see, to the music in what they hear, because it's part of their nature. Breaking sweat is essential to get better, it is the key, and it's cool that people realize this here. But it's not the number of hours or years that you spent practicing that will make the difference, just the new more sophisticated perception that you develop every moment as you do it. There is no goal, no limit, just a wish to keep going that is left without explanation and that is talent.

[Anonymous No.1469507]

>>1469499
You people like to make whole philosophy about what talent is or isn't. But it's really simple.

Some people are better.

[Anonymous No.1469515]

>>1469507

[Anonymous No.1469543]

>>1469507
A person with natural ability who never practices is always going to lose to someone with less talent but more work ethic. You want a combination of talent and discipline, but if you only have one, discipline is the more vital of the two.

Work hard, study hard. Learn your fundamentals. Listen to people who know more than you. You must learn the rules before you can break them effectively.
And always push your comfort zone. If you draw 8 hours a day but never draw anything other than anime chibis or apply the rules of value an proportion, you will never grow as an artist. Pick subjects that are hard. Challenge yourself. If you suck at hands, sit down, study, and draw them until you understand.

[Anonymous No.1472011]

this is a fucking awesome thread with some really good advice does anyone know how to archive threads pl0x?

[Anonymous No.1472019]

>>1472011
you get this advice everywhere on this kind of thread..

[Anonymous No.1472021]

>>1469507
Let me ask you this

Are babies born knowing things?
no. they know nothing at all. there is no "good at playing guitar" gene. theres no "excellent cook" DNA.
sure, maybe you see things visually really well.
maybe your hand eye coordination is very very keen
but guess what, that means pretty much jack shit.
good drummers weren't born being able to double stroke at 250 beats per minute, no matter how much coordination they had
they WORKED for it.

'"talent"' simply gives you a little head start. people like you let it pump their ego and refuse to progress because you think you have your talent to take you there.
protip: talent can be obtained.

[Anonymous No.1472024]

>>1466328
>>1466337
THIS fuck the sticky and tbh i went to many an art course and this the method i used to help me the most.

When you do countless copying exercises or figure drawings from real life you dont enjoy it too much but when your copying artwork that you want to someday be able to draw you feel a lot more productive and its a lot funner knowing your getting closer to your goal while drawing what you wanna draw when you wanna draw.

[Anonymous No.1472026]

>>1472024
same the only thing that got me through my shitty art course i took in some small workshop thing was seeing the other people doing their homework and being like "oh shit better do this project before an hours time when i have to hand it in..."

dat nostalgia! high school projects i used to procrastinate for :') good times

[Anonymous No.1472027]

>>1472011
What he said. It's a damn awesome thread, with a bit of an inspirational taste. I'm a beginner myself, and a few of these posts are rather motivating. Also, for the dude I replied to, here you go.

http://pastebin.com/WMVxqbX6

[Anonymous No.1472039]

>>1469543
>>1472021
Whatever makes you sleep at night guys. But considering your positive hard working attitude one would think you are extremely good. Because why shouldn't you be if it only takes hard work and you work hard right?

There are so many people here hard working we should have another algenpfleger (or better) emerging every month.

I wonder why it doesn't happen. Why there are so few of them that everyone knows them by the name.

[Anonymous No.1472042]

>>1472039
you couldn't pack more fallacies in that reply if you tried

[Anonymous No.1472043]

Talent, and inherent natural abilities don't exist, right guys?

That's why everybody can become a top athlete and defeat Usain Bolt at sprinting as long as they work hard enough right?

Oh wait, you can train your ass of everyday, but if you're not a black dude with good genes you'll never even come close to beating him.

[Anonymous No.1472044]

>>1472039
I'll tell you why. two reasons.
1.) it takes much longer than a month
2.) because people like you tell them they need god-given abilities, which no one has, and they walk away from it. they think they need some stupid 'talent' voodoo and never progress

[Anonymous No.1472045]

>>1472043
thats fucking muscles dude.
we're talking about drawing here. this isnt a sport. its art. two very very different things.
dude, that is possibly the worst analogy.
sports compared to talent? and drawing?
top lel

[Anonymous No.1472046]

>>1472043
Silly anon. Everyone is born equal.

[Anonymous No.1472047]

>>1472043
if i was chef Ramsay i would kick you out of my kitchen

[Anonymous No.1472048]

>>1472047
Solid argument.

[Anonymous No.1472049]

>>1472044
>it takes longer than month
Yeah it took him few years. Yet i'm hearing there is no talent for years. You should be all extremely skilled by now

What happened that you are not?

[Anonymous No.1472050]

>>1472048
The original comment was too retarded to warrant a serious argument.

[Anonymous No.1472051]

>>1472045
My point still stands, people have inherent abilities (talents) whether they be physical or mental doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.1472052]

>>1472048
No, his argument is solid. There is no place for drawing in kitchen. Although i don't know what this had to do anything with the thread.

[Anonymous No.1472055]

>>1472051
Also people believe that world is just and fair. You should know that too there is no arguing with them. They have to cope somehow.

[Anonymous No.1472057]

>>1472049
ask... those people? what, am i every one?
every one learns a different way. maybe they aren't doing the right things to teach themselves, maybe the whole act of them practicing they are doing is wrong and it stops their progression.
and, you know, people heavily exaggerate how much they actually work.
and the fact of the matter is books wont teach you everything. you need to take a class or two, and some people dont know this. could even be a lack of inspiration.

[Anonymous No.1472058]

Talent doesn't exist, that's why we were all making portraits like this when we were 14 just like Picasso.

[Anonymous No.1472061]

>>1472058

oh yeah, how did that poor kid learn to paint during the renaissance
every one knows that kind of thing was prohibited

[Anonymous No.1472063]

>>1472061
****A (not 'the', my bad)

[Anonymous No.1472066]

>>1472057
Why aren't you extremely good then?

You don't want to be?

[Anonymous No.1472073]

Everybody is just in denial, because they know they'll never be as good as their 14 year old niece that only draws a few hours a week and still manages to be better, while they Loomis it up for 15 hours a day and can't even produce a simple portrait, because of a thing called talent.

[Anonymous No.1472075]

>>1472066
because im busy with other things that interest me to, that are very demanding. but i plan to devote myself to this in the future

[Anonymous No.1472079]

Well this thread is fucked.

[LP No.1472082]

You won't ever be as good as anyone who's been working at art longer than you. It's sort of a truism that you have to accept, as they will always have more time put in than you. That being said, I've found the most important thing to improve is not necessarily the amount of studies you do, but it's the amount of understanding and active thinking you do while studying.

"I'm going to do 500 poses from posemaniacs! That will have to make me better!" Chances are, you're just focusing on high number = high results. Opposed to someone who takes their time, goes in further detail to understand the anatomy, the form, gesture, etc. I know several people that do this and produce a much higher quantity of work than I do, but quantity does not imply quality. I work at art pretty much all day every day, but I'm not concerned with how much I get done compared to the next guy, I'm concerned with how much I learn in a day.

Apologies, as I got a little redundant, but it's a problem I see a lot.

[Anonymous No.1472086]

>>1472082
I have written to people that got better and faster than me how do they study and not once i heard about them using loomis or studying shit. They just draw a lot. But whatever.

[Anonymous No.1472088]

>>1472082

lol. Anthony Jones, Dave Rapoza and many others went from complete beginner to professional in 2-3 years time. Quit being bad and draw more.

[Anonymous No.1472090]

>>1472088

Noah Bradley too.

[Anonymous No.1472094]

>>1472088
So are you a professional too? How long have you been drawing?

[Anonymous No.1472096]

>>1472090
>Noah Bradley

4 years on dA
>Oldest works already good
checked blog
>i have been to few art schools
checked reddit AMA
>Started taking it seriously 5 years ago. But had been doing it as a hobby for my whole life.

I bet others are exactly like that.

You are full of shit. 99% of good artists started as kid.

[Anonymous No.1472108]

>>1472096

Keep making excuses for yourself.

[Anonymous No.1472113]

>>1472108
I just gave you fucking facts you idiot.

[Anonymous No.1472115]

>>1472113
You are awfully angry. Your time would be better spent drawing. This progress shot could be you.

[Anonymous No.1472128]

>>1472115
Not the previous poster but felt like replying. I'd love to take a year off my life just to perfect my art but keeping food on my table and roof over my head takes a lot of my time. If you don't do it while you are living with your parents/at dorms you will have a lot less free time. Often times the ones that get really good go either to art school where they have all the time to practice the craft or do it while their livelihood is provided by someone else

[Anonymous No.1472129]

>>1466319
>>1466351
I'll be honest. Please don't think I'm being harsh, or mean, or rude - I'm simply going to lay out for you what I think you need to know and assimilate if you really want to improve.

You're at a very basic level of drawing. VERY basic. Everything is firmly two-dimensional, indicating no awareness or facility (yet, at least) to think in terms of perspectives and representing three-dimesional space on paper. You think in terms of outlines, not values. You're focussing too much on rendering details on a flat plane. You also don't do any kind of construction like a grid or geometric shapes as a rough sketch, hence the asymmetry that's crept into your drawings.

Honestly after a couple of years of focussed studying and practicing every day you could be a respectable artist, but you need to go and learn the basics and fundamentals now. I'd say go and learn some very basic things about perspective and figure construction first, to get your brain thinking in three dimensions.

Go away right now and find some stuff from the sticky/google on two and three-point perspective, proportions of the human figure and gesture drawing and practice your ass off.

Quantity =! quality. Spend time doing fewer studies but really, REALLY think and learn from what you're doing as opposed to banging out work in the hopes you'll improve through repetition.

[Anonymous No.1472130]

>>1472115
his point was these artists didn't pick up a pencil for the first time and 2-3 years later they were pros, as you or anon implied earlier. I don't have to explain that, of course you understand, you're just being a troll.

[Anonymous No.1472131]

>>1472096
What exactly starting drawing as a kid gives you aside from somewhat bigger visual library? Drawing with symbolism?

[Anonymous No.1472136]

>>1472131
You would know if you would be drawing anything.

[Anonymous No.1472141]

>>1472136
>implying I don't

[Anonymous No.1472142]

>>1472130
Regardless how long they might have been drawing before they started sharing their work online, the point is, they were utterly terrible when they started posting their early work and it took them only a handful of years to go from terrible to great.

Even if some of them had been drawing for 10 or so years before that, it just shows that all those years were worthless.

[Anonymous No.1472146]

>>1472142
>it just shows that all those years were worthless

No. Just no.

[Anonymous No.1472148]

>>1472142
>worthless
I doubt it. After all this time your visual library will be big even if you did draw crap. And doesn't matter when you start, you need to go past being crap You can't just skip all that "worthless" drawing suddenly by reading loomis.

[Anonymous No.1472152]

>>1472130

Lots of professional artists experimented with art as a hobby for years. That doesn't give them a much of an advantage. Most of it is spent in unfocused study and their progress is slow.

Serious training in art, 8+ hour days, drawing from imagination, life and applying your studies will get you where you want to go.

If you want to keep making excuses for yourself continue to do so. Here is an interview with Anthony Jones, he didn't even do art as a hobby and in his own words became a professional in 2 years, putting in 12 hour days starting in his mid twenties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyLwvmH1nLw&feature=youtu.be&t=6m26s

[Anonymous No.1472154]

>>1472152
Give me 8+ hours of spare time a day and I do just that

[Anonymous No.1472155]

>>1472154

If your working, 3-4 hours of sleep is the key. Its no fun at first, but you get used to it.

[Anonymous No.1472158]

stop drawing your favorite cartoons and learn to draw from life

if this isn't going to work then you're fucked

[Anonymous No.1472167]

>>1472146
Well, if you drew for years of your life as a child and you were still complete shit when you started taking art seriously, then all those years you already spent did in fact amount to nothing at all.

>>1472148
You create a visual library by observing the world around you. By having interests in different subjects, by travelling and seeing different places, machines, architecture etc, not by drawing naruto and dragonball characters during math class when you were a kid.

[Anonymous No.1472165]

>"work hard and you will be good in 2 years"
>"well you must be good then with your knowledge and motivation"

They never are.

You will get some random link to extremely talented guy who most likely did draw his whole life.

There are more people daily winning lottery than /ic/ has names of those that made it in few years.

Everyone here is either retarded or full of shit.

[Anonymous No.1472166]

>>1472155
I do just that. I am at (non-art) school from 7:45-16:30 and then go to work from 17:00 to midnight. I fill my sketchbook during work and at lunch but it's hardly anything like doing actual studies. Also my main medium is digital so it's not helping either. I sleep around 2-4 hours a day and spend rest of the time doing exercise and chores

It'll be like this for at least two years and after that I hopefully have graduated

[Anonymous No.1472169]

>>1472167
>all those years you already spent did in fact amount to nothing at all
But that's completely incorrect. You learn by doing even if you aren't trying specifically. I'd be way worse at art if I hadn't drawn all my life. No matter how shit the drawings so far may have been every single one has taught me something, motoric skills if nothing else

[Anonymous No.1472170]

>>1472165
>They never are.

How do you know? threads like these aren't exactly the friendliest of environments to come out and post your work. I mean, I'm pretty decent myself, I work in the industry for some smaller clients and have a 5 star sketchbook on CA, but I sure as hell don't want frustrated people like yourself lashing out to me because I happen to be better at art than you. I know how obsessive some of you people can get with guys like Tehmeh or Algenpfleger. No one wants that to happen to them.

[Anonymous No.1472173]

>>1472169
I guess that's why there are literally thousands of deviantart kids who completely suck at art and never improve the tiniest bit even though most of them will say that they have been drawing all their life.

[Anonymous No.1472176]

>>1472170
If everyone really believed hard work is all that needed then they should be like all those famous people in few years. Yet they only post that tehmeh picture.

And i don't hate you or your art if you are better. It's just no one comes and posts their amazing progresses in 2 years.

Cause it doesn't happen (hurr durr probablity is low)

[Anonymous No.1472179]

>>1472176

Because most of the people here spend more time browsing 4chan than drawing. If you want to achieve that level of progress in a short amount of time you need to submit your self to the task master and he demands blood.

[Anonymous No.1472180]

>>1472173
The deviantart kiddies would still have easier time becoming a pro than a total stranger to anything art-related, right? I'm not talking about the sanic adoptable artists specifically, that's their own choice and I doubt they ever want to get better at the medium

[Anonymous No.1472181]

i'm not even remotely good but theres a pretty sweet progress noticeable.

[Anonymous No.1472200]

Talent seems irrelevant anyway. Either the universe is fatalistic and your birth and circumstance determine exactly how good you can be at art. In that case you might as well treasure what ability you have.

Or, we as individuals determine how good or bad we can be at art (or anything) and in that case talent as a concept doesn't even exists.

I imagine the answer is somewhere in the middle of this, but who cares?

captcha: pqletch determiner

[Anonymous No.1472204]

>>1472200
It's determined but. It's also made this was so you will feel like crap when you suck and others not. So it does matter in that regard.

[Anonymous No.1472216]

>>1472115
Genetics and talent really make me sick.

tfw
>5'2" and 140lbs male
>Grotesque body odour
>Almost invisible jawline
>Long, crooked kike nose
>Receding hairline, bald patch and wrinkles
>Armpit-length, greasy, knotted hair
>Facial hair only grows on neck and in a thin line above upper lip, and always grows back to half an inch long within a week of removal; I've given up on shaving
>Glasses due to atrocious eyesight
>Four moles in a straight line across my left cheek, one of them partially on my lower lip and sprouting an inch-long hair
>Rotten, yellow, gappy teeth
>Copious amounts of greasy chest and back hair
>Cracked, crusty and weeping eczema all over arms, legs, chest, hands, chest and neck
>8" long and 6" circumference is my only boon, but it has a gaping hole in its head from when a couple of bitches convinced me to get a Apadrayva piercing while I was drunk on my eighteenth birthday
>Foot fungus and athletes' foot

The talented and genetically-endowed enjoy their great fucking lives while I scrabble about in the dirt, forever looked down upon for things beyond my control.

[Anonymous No.1472223]

>>1472216
Go back to /fit/, no one cares about your disgusting body.

[Anonymous No.1472232]

>>1472043

Running is something that humans have been doing forever. It's through natural selection that some humans became better than other.

Playing table tennis on the other hand is a learned skill, your DNA is not helping.

I remember a study about this, showing that most people who were solo violinist put 10 thousands fuckin hours of practice before achieving such a mastery level.

I don't know if Algenpfleger was born with a natural talent for drawing, but he certainly put a massive amount of efforts at getting better.

[Anonymous No.1472234]

>>1472216
>Armpit-length, greasy, knotted hair
>Facial hair only grows on neck and in a thin line above upper lip, and always grows back to half an inch long within a week of removal; I've given up on shaving
>Rotten, yellow, gappy teeth
>Copious amounts of greasy chest and back hair
>Foot fungus and athletes' foot
It's called taking care of yourself you lazy faggot

[Anonymous No.1472244]

>>1472216
COME TOGETHER
RIGHT NOW
OVER ME

[Anonymous No.1472245]

>>1472232
What about hand eye coordination?
Reflexes?

Those things play an important part in ping pong.

Talent is a legit thing, I'm not saying that you don't need practice to get good at things, but all these fags claiming talent has nothing to do with drawing need to step it up.

[Anonymous No.1472256]

>>1472245
truth.

i'll relay schimd's general thought on talent. it's something that people say after the fact when you produce something good. You don't know beforehand if you have it or not, and you can't control it so it's best not to dwell on it.

[Anonymous No.1472260]

>>1472256
Draw seriously for few months and you will know if you have it.

[Anonymous No.1472262]

>getting into art to make money

not saying it can't be done but most people make money as a result of a life long passion with art, not because they started drawing to make cash

[Anonymous No.1472263]

>>1472245
>pronouncing Gogh "go"

do you even paint?

[Anonymous No.1472266]

>>1472263
I'm Dutch so I'm probably one of the few who pronounce it right, but it's a reaction image bro, what ya gonna do.

[Anonymous No.1472267]

>>1472263
i'm pretty sure the person who made that image macro didn't, thanks for your worthless post however

[Anonymous No.1472271]

>>1472266

hey catbib

[Anonymous No.1472274]

>>1472271
Too bad, negro, I ain't catbib.

[Transient No.1472326]

>>1472167
>if you drew for years of your life as a child and you were still complete shit when you started taking art seriously, then all those years you already spent did in fact amount to nothing at all.
I would like to hit you please.
When I first started attempting to draw human beings at age five or whatever, they were potatoes with toothpicks for hair, sticks for limbs, more potatoes for hands and feet, more toothpicks for fingers and toes.
Then about seven years later, when I decided I wanted to make art, not doodles, I already knew from seven years of childhood drawing that legs were a certain length, arms were a certain length, hands had four fingers and a thumb, and hair falls in sheets of thousands of strands instead of a few toothpicks sticking out. My work was shit, yes, but if I had never picked up a pencil and drawn, then my art in seventh grade would have looked like a five year old's, with no clue how anything worked.
The reason people can go for years without improving is because they only practice the same failed methods again and again, never studying, never pacing themselves, never setting goals, and never thinking about what the lines they're making represent.

And I never thought I'd use the term, but for Christ's sake, /today/ was the last day of school, why is there so much summer in here?

[Transient No.1472331]

Also I think 'talent' in relation to art means being about to think with the right brain more easily than others. You still have to practice and study to hell and back though. Talent is just a boost, not the complete means to an end.

[Anonymous No.1472348]

>>1472245
Talent exists but does it really matters that much?

If you want to become the next champion (wether at chess or MMA), there's certainly a point in your career where all your rivals are equally training like crazy, have good genetics, etc. That's where the difference between a great chess player and a world class champion will show.

But you can be a pro and live from your art without being the next big thing. Take Genzoman for example, I know that people on /ic/ don't like him that much here, but he's working here and there and he's not the best in the world.

[Anonymous No.1472375]

>>1472049
> You should be all extremely skilled by now.
> What happened that you are not?

Is there even one occurence of someone on /ic/ who put thousands of dedicated hours into drawing and didn't improve greatly?

I don't care about talent because that's like saying that Goethe was a genius. Probably true but I'm not one.
If I was like that, I wouldn't be there.

[Anonymous No.1472887]

>>1472181
lel'd at the second.