/beg/ - Beginner Thread

[Anonymous No.3582958]

Don't forget to have fun

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Just remember: "Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do."

[Anonymous No.3582989]

[Anonymous No.3582992]

>>3582989
a bit of a dump of some things I've worked on but didn't post

[Anonymous No.3582996]

>>3582992
small dump, last one

[Anonymous No.3582997]

why the shit can't I do it like it's in the book?

[Anonymous No.3582999]

>>3582997
Don't worry to much, move on.

[Anonymous No.3583014]

Having fun with normal blue pen

[Anonymous No.3583021]

>>3583014
I wouldn't call you /beg/

[Anonymous No.3583027]

>>3583021
i'm just slightly better beginner one

[Anonymous No.3583030]

>>3583027
Stuck between /beg/ and /draw/ limbo

[Anonymous No.3583032]

>>3583027
>>3583030
believe this would be called "intermediate"

[Anonymous No.3583035]

>>3583032
/draw/ is intermediate lad

[Anonymous No.3583037]

what the hell man, why is this so hard

[Anonymous No.3583046]

I refuse to read loomis because those stupid stumpy drawings repulse me. I understand it's just to teach the basics but I'd rather improve by drawing 100 porn references a day to learn anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3583053]

>>3583037
Use vanishing points or die.

[Anonymous No.3583062]

>>3583046
you'll never learn how to construct by only drawing from reference desu.

[Anonymous No.3583063]

>>3583062
Its possible but that gonna be hard, you just need to invent it by yourself.

[Anonymous No.3583066]

>>3583037
you can always tell people who do draw a box

because they cant draw boxes.

thats not a joke. it gets them to do the exercises without giving them a fundamental understanding of things first. so people plow along trying to do things thinking theyre making progress whilst their fundamentals are off.

then they come back here and ask, why is this line off?

[Anonymous No.3583069]

>>3583014
that thing between her legs, its like a vagine inside a vagina inside a vagine.

[Anonymous No.3583073]

>>3583032
Intermediate thread when

[Anonymous No.3583088]

>>3583066
what would actually help, then? what's the fundamental understanding of things? that's kind of vague. do i need to relearn geometry in order to draw a box? i'm not joking with that one, seriously would that help? i feel like there's a lot of math involved with this sort of technical drawing that i'm missing out on. not the person you replied to, btw

[Anonymous No.3583089]

>>3583069
yeah maybe one too many. Vaginas are weird for me

[Anonymous No.3583104]

>>3583053
>>3583066
I'm trying man, I imagine the VP being so far off that the lines might as well be parallel

[Anonymous No.3583119]

>>3583104
Yo anon, leave that source of knowledge that you using and try ''How to draw'' book by Scott Robertson and Eric Olson perspective video course from New Masters Academy.

I had huge problems with perspective and after studying this two sources i started to understand almost every aspect of 3D environment.

[Anonymous No.3583133]

>>3583088
I as gonna post something but this guy did before me.

>>3583119
im not saying do those things specifically.
but you do need an understanding of the basics of perspective. which start with the cone of vision and station points and one oint perspective.

become a master in that first before moving on to 2 point.

eventually you will know what degree your lines approximately need to be where the vp should converge.

eric olson is awesome, gary Meyers fundamentals of perspective covers the same stuff in half the time.
why not watch both. this isn't a race im afraid.

[Anonymous No.3583150]

>>3583088
>>3583104
different anon but i suggest watching marc leone on youtube. he has a ton of videos on figure and perspective. once you understand the fundamentals of perspective then try to freehand them. there's no point drawing 100 boxes if you don't understand where to connect the lines right? you'll get there be patient. also if you can draw on big sheets of paper so you have more freedom to move your arm and have more space. i use newsprint(18x24) because its cheap but you can use whatever you can find.

[Anonymous No.3583158]

I think everyone has a bias towards the way they learnt and the things they watched or read to learn.

[Anonymous No.3583171]

>>3582997
Because you're trying to copy images from the book, not to draw them from your imagination.

[Anonymous No.3583273]

>>3583037
Your perspective is outta wack son.
Look at box 36, the lines going inwards are going upwards while they should be running in parallel to the visible lines.
Also, dot the lines you wouldn't be able to see if you were looking at it from that perspective to make it less confusing.
Another example is 38, the top line is better in perspective than the bottom one which is to upwards.

[Anonymous No.3583276]

Yeah
op used my pic
I’m a officially a beg ...

[Anonymous No.3583285]

For someone who's "picking up a pencil in the intention to draw" for the very first time, is drawabox a good first resource? I tried diving into "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" from the sticky to start and felt miserably overwhelmed from even the basic exercises. I went ahead and did the first lesson at drawabox and it felt much more manageable. It even felt a little cathartic when I was doing the planes exercise and the lines came so easily. But now I'm worried this is just babystuff and I'm wasting my time. Either way I think I'll do a lesson a day for now, then the homework during my lunch break at work. And I'll post the results here as a sort of incentive not to slip a day

One thing though; it says to draw with your shoulder. I'm trying to but I think I'm actually drawing from my elbow? I'm not sure what it's supposed to feel like drawing a 2 inch line with your shoulder

[Anonymous No.3583288]

>>3583276
it's okay, i think you're off to a good start

[Anonymous No.3583296]

Here's some mountains I tried to draw. I'm not very good, so criticism is apreciated.

[Anonymous No.3583298]

>>3583285
If you want to learn perspective, literally print out a one or two vanish point perspective diagram and practice drawing shapes onto them for like a week, then practice drawing Your Own vanish points with Lines and drawing shapes onto then for a bit, then just start to alternate practice drawing without them and with them.
Thankfully with perspective you can learn quite a lot very quickly and you'll have a better grasp on how a shape should look from perspectives relatively quickly.
It's very boring but it is a basic skill which you should at least practice a little if you ever want to progress in drawing ability.

[Anonymous No.3583299]

>>3583285
it is baby stuff, but you aren't wasting your time, when it comes to drawing, getting comfortable with the actual act of drawing is key, you can't run without first learning to walk and all that, but focus on ghosting, cause I'd say that's one of the most important thing during that part

[Anonymous No.3583315]

On a scale of /beg/ to /draw/ where am I?

[Anonymous No.3583317]

>>3583315
beg

[Anonymous No.3583318]

>>3583317
long ways to go then

[Anonymous No.3583321]

I wish I can just use a ruler for everything, free hand sucks

[Anonymous No.3583323]

>>3583315
I would love to redline it but i don't have tablet right now. Anyway i did some fixes.

[Anonymous No.3583327]

>>3583321
so use a fuckin ruler, remember ''no rules, only tools'' If you understand what you r doing go with a ruler.

[Anonymous No.3583341]

>>3583323
I think I get what you're fixing though, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3583343]

Let’s go more extreme

[Anonymous No.3583347]

>>3583288
Well I’m not sad or disappointed
I’m a little happy because my studies get ignored here

[Anonymous No.3583373]

>>3582958
so I practicing drawing a line free hand for a while now and it is ok enough, but I wonder what the point of all that, I mean that I have to rotate the canvas every time I need to draw a line? That doesn't sound right

[Anonymous No.3583384]

>>3583373
This is if you are drawing something precise like a car.
Also it help you to control your arm and avoid chicken scratching

Scott Robertson draws free hands to boost the speed when he draws. He use tools too, rulers etc.

[Anonymous No.3583392]

>>3583343
this actually owns. hell i wish i were that good at perspective

[Anonymous No.3583403]

Turning animals into spheres, cylinders and cubes is pretty hard, mates. Tips?

[Anonymous No.3583406]

>>3583403
for 5, you gotta make sure the neck is still connected to the front of the body man, otherwise that's a broken spine

[Anonymous No.3583408]

>>3583392
Oh son believe me, this needs a lot of work, but thank you.

[Anonymous No.3583465]

What I'm doing wrong

[Anonymous No.3583469]

>>3583465
watching that awful show in the first place

[Anonymous No.3583472]

>>3583469
Well, I like awful shows

[Anonymous No.3583476]

I like weird shit, what can i do to draw even weirder shit?

[Anonymous No.3583479]

>>3583465
You go for the more realistic shading with the background and then you completely switch styles for the character.
Also I think you really didn’t mean your character to be that tall considering how the end of the legs would be drawn without the chest? Compared to torso’s length that wouldn’t make much sense.

[Anonymous No.3583480]

>>358347
learn human anatomy so you know how to do impossible poses

[Anonymous No.3583484]

>>3583479
Any shading tips?

[Anonymous No.3583487]

>>3583296
i suggest you use the color picker tool on photo to understand colors and values better

>>3583315
beg
nice ass though

>>3583403
the contour lines of the cylinders are off
but good attempt

[Anonymous No.3583489]

>>3583484
An easy one is to not shade with black. Switch up the hue, whether to a bit more blue or a bit more red. And just try to make the shadings for the character and background match

[Anonymous No.3583491]

>>3583489
youre giving people bad habits to break later by saying "hue shift to red or blue it doesn't matter"

[Anonymous No.3583509]

I posted in /draw/ but maybe it belongs here. I can't into values

[Anonymous No.3583510]

>>3583509
ref

[Anonymous No.3583515]

>>3583491
The point is to not shade in black. But yes you’re right about that Anon, listening to actual professionals is better than listening to some random advicefriends on here.

[Anonymous No.3583521]

>>3583509
the mouth and chin need work. otherwise looks pretty good anon

[Anonymous No.3583532]

>>3583476
https://mega.nz/#F!wUEyDI6I!h2slPdqZ9bZThW1TeSdOKQ Here are 28 issues of weirdo magazine.

[Anonymous No.3583562]

i know /beg is more of a technical thread but this is my first time doing this kind of style. any tips on how to make it look better? i dont think i really managed to make the character not blend into the bg

[Anonymous No.3583563]

>>3583562
fuck my file

[Anonymous No.3583592]

how bad /beg/?

[Anonymous No.3583606]

>>3583592
Do the rest of the figure.

[Anonymous No.3583612]

>>3583606
its a struggle cause this is the pose I want, but my reference does not have this pose

[Anonymous No.3583617]

excuse the furfaggotry

my biggest struggle right now is breaking out of symbol drawing characters, im trying to better myself by making sure all my features and proportions line up.

the jaw in the side angle is completely different from the front facing angle and if i try to change either to match the other it either looks squashed or stretched

[Anonymous No.3583619]

>>3583612
Is she sitting on her legs or half standing on her knees?

[Anonymous No.3583620]

>>3583563
Have you greyscaled it anon?

[Anonymous No.3583622]

>>3583619
Sitting but it looks like shit and not sure how to fix it

[Anonymous No.3583623]

>>3583509

good values are consistent, use a shadow on her portrait as a barometer for the other shadows, in this case I used the shadow on her wrist to create the shadows on her chin, eyesockets/eyebrow, hair and even her shirt. use white as highlights on her face and black to indicate where the skin folds, eyes or where planes overlap. if you use white and black tastefully rather than an all you can eat buffet you can make portraits pop. heres a quick paintover to try to further illustrate what i mean

[Anonymous No.3583628]

>>3583622
Try to sit like that.

[Anonymous No.3583630]

>>3583403
I think it's important for beginners to draw the whole ellipse around the form, otherwise you don't learn to 'see' how the contour line wraps around the whole shape, and how it reveals the perspective.
It's very common for beginners to just assume that a slightly curving line across a shape just signifies roundness, but that's essentially just a form of symbol drawing. There is only one correct line for the underlying shape, and that's the line that follows the form in correct perspective.
First and foremost, you need to learn to draw the individual geometric forms accurately before you start trying to piece them together. The reason you think it's hard is because it is, and you're not quite at that level yet. As you don't seem to fully grasp perspective enough to eyeball a basic cube yet, I'd recommend starting out with a basic perspective course. After that you can start going through drawabox or dynamic sketching if this is the type of drawing you want to do.

[Anonymous No.3583631]

>>3583620
like greyscaling all the values? no but I'll try it ty

[Anonymous No.3583633]

>>3583620
here it is greyscaled. im assuming i should push the values on either the bg or the char to be lighter/darker than the other?

[Anonymous No.3583906]

I'm going through "fun with a pencil" (the part before I start learning how to construct a head) and I tried my luck at drawing something and it turned out like this
where am I going wrong?

[Anonymous No.3583912]

What do you guys think.

[Anonymous No.3583936]

Took another try at >>3582055 and gave up after 10 minutes

[Anonymous No.3583960]

>>3583936
Why?

[Anonymous No.3583970]

How do I get good at painting digitally? Everything I try looks muddy, and I feel like I'm not blending the colors well. Is there a good tutorial you guys would recommend? Or a video or something.

[Anonymous No.3583971]

>>3583970
https://www.youtube.com/user/marcobucci

[Anonymous No.3583976]

>>3583971
This already looks great, thank you dude.

[Anonymous No.3583977]

[Anonymous No.3583979]

>>3583970
>Everything I try looks muddy
From one beginner to another: value contrast and clean edges help a lot, leave the blending for later and just try to define the hell out of the lit and shaded areas. Using fewer colors and paying attention to the color temperature helps too.

[Anonymous No.3584029]

Any ideas or tips or crits? Anything would be cool, realized I’ve been doing shitty contour and line work stuff, pulling up the old bootstraps and trying to practice value and all that stuff , thanks for looking regardless!

[Anonymous No.3584032]

>>3584029
Looks like honest effort. Keep going bud.

[Anonymous No.3584062]

>>3584032
Thanks Coop!

[Anonymous No.3584063]

>>3583403
That’s a good idea though, will do some study’s like that of some right now actually. Thanks for the inspiration/idea !

[Anonymous No.3584067]

i've been doing the loomis meme and made my own exercise. i constructed figures 1-4 from imagination. i tried to envision rotating 1 from a different perspective, that's what 2 is. same with 3 and 4. i'm gonna try to keep doing exercises like these because it's fun and i feel like i'm learning from it. any crits?

[Anonymous No.3584068]

>>3583014
are you sure her pelvis can bend to be at that angle, with her sitting almost straight up as the pose suggests?

[Anonymous No.3584074]

>>3584067
pretty good

[Anonymous No.3584077]

>>3584067
Are you truly challenging yourself with this?

[Anonymous No.3584078]

How do I make sure I'm not chicken scratching?

[Anonymous No.3584082]

>>3584078

when your line looks like it was made with purpose, that's when you know. chicken scratching stems from lack of confidence, the mind will rationalize and put multiple lines down with one of them being the correct one but lost in multiple awful ones. your pic looks fine

[Anonymous No.3584089]

>>3584077
it felt like a challenge, i've never properly constructed a figure without a reference before

[Anonymous No.3584101]

>>3583408
>this needs a lot of work
how so? Aside from perspective grinding to get here, is there something particularly time consuming or difficult you're doing here?

[Anonymous No.3584113]

>>3584077
>>3584101
okay anon, what would you consider a challenge for these people? this is the beginner thread after all

[Anonymous No.3584115]

What is the worst art ever posted?

[Anonymous No.3584118]

>>3583612
>>3583619
>>3583628


Ok, I think I fixed a lot of the major problems with the pose

[Anonymous No.3584119]

>>3584118
that looks a lot better!

[Anonymous No.3584121]

>>3584115
yours

[Anonymous No.3584122]

>>3584119
yup, had to use a pose app and I was able to see which way the legs were going

[Anonymous No.3584123]

First shot as simplified heads based on the first Proko video. Plan on doing at least 50 of these before jumping to side view, front view and etc.

>>3583406
>>3583487
>>3583630

I think what I'm having dificulty is not making the shapes themselves as much as determining what shape represents what part (like deciding whether to use a cube, cylinder or sphere). I'll look up some videos but thanks for the tips

[Anonymous No.3584132]

what do I need to improve on
>inb4 everything
first things first then you know steps

[Anonymous No.3584134]

Is there any standard that art needs to have before you can share it or is it all about what the viewer can make out?

[Anonymous No.3584151]

>>3584134
At the end of the day the only thing that will matter is the end product. Faster production of quality pieces helps if you're looking to make money.

How you get to the final product and what you define as something you think is acceptable is up to you,

[Anonymous No.3584157]

>>3583014
Do you really do all this with no construction beforehand?

How long did it take?

[Anonymous No.3584211]

>>3584068
Nah, i just fuckd up.

>>3584157
Not that long 30-50 min. I'm puting dots or simple strokes in right places to have something to keep symmetry and proportions.

[Anonymous No.3584225]

>>3583960
I don't know how to shade it without it looking like a mess

[Anonymous No.3584232]

>>3584134
God I wish that was me

[Anonymous No.3584253]

>>3584113
I was just genuinely curious, wanted to know which particular lesson in perspective to clench my butt for.

[Anonymous No.3584315]

>>3583906
just continue studying loomis and you'll do fine. skip fun with a pencil and move on to his figure drawing book and the head and hands book

[Anonymous No.3584317]

tried 2 mins of gesture drawing instead of 60 seconds and they all look like horse shit

[Anonymous No.3584330]

>>3584317
they look good I'd have sex with them all

[Anonymous No.3584353]

>>3584317
I dont think they look that bad. Im kinda at the same level tho.

[Anonymous No.3584366]

[Anonymous No.3584369]

>>3584366
don't draw a circle for the head its tricking your eye to make the head circular
you should use steve huston's technique explained in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
its much more intuitive

[Anonymous No.3584405]

How hard is figure drawing for all it's worth by Loomis?

[Anonymous No.3584407]

>>3584405
depends if you get the hardback or paperback version.

[Anonymous No.3584410]

>>3584407
heh took me a second

[Anonymous No.3584413]

>>3584118
looks a bit rigid

[Anonymous No.3584446]

Added some colour to >>3583936

does this look OK?

[Anonymous No.3584452]

>sketchbook finished today
>got my drawing tablet a few days ago

Is it time to transition or do I make another one?
A sample I drew

[Anonymous No.3584475]

>>3584452
I've got 7 more pages on this sketchbook and then another 100 page sketchbook. If I can go through it I'm getting myself a $500 drawing tablet.

[Anonymous No.3584490]

>>3584132
bump

[Anonymous No.3584540]

>>3584132
>>3584490
anatomy in general,but here you go.
Left guy:
the left shoulder it's very down,the hands need practice because the right hand is broken, the right foot looks to forced.
Right guy:
the neck it's too large, the left hand is too tiny and the right hand i think can't be in that position.

[Anonymous No.3584572]

Am I /beg/ or intermediate?

[Anonymous No.3584574]

[NoseBro No.3584575]

>>3584366
get a better reference, plenty of issues with the original.

[Anonymous No.3584578]

>>3584572
Here's another one I made yesterday.

[Anonymous No.3584604]

Do you ever feel discouraged to keep drawing because no matter how much you try you will never draw as good as other people do?

Sometimes I feel this way

[Anonymous No.3584608]

>>3584604
I felt the same way but, not memeing, with practice and time you'll at least see improvements that will encourage you.

[Anonymous No.3584637]

Thoughts? Im having trouble with the hand.

[Anonymous No.3584648]

>>3584604
Can you sauce me on the video?

[Anonymous No.3584653]

>>3584604
graphite smudging looks bad to me. better to not shade at all.

[Anonymous No.3584661]

Thoughts? Be as harsh as you want, whatever helps me improve.

[Anonymous No.3584664]

>>3584604
Should I grab the pencil like that?

[Anonymous No.3584665]

>>3584661
This is great . I would crisp uptake lines of the eyes nose mouth etc l make them a bit more precise, how do You go aboutndrawing th cloth .

[Anonymous No.3584666]

>>3584661
Your rendering is really hindering you. I think you should slow down a little and spend more time with it. Really good work though, good luck. You're almost reader to crawl out of here.

[Anonymous No.3584668]

>>3584664
no lol, i was just about to say they're holding the pencil like that to shill prismacolor, like holding a soda can with the label conveniently facing outwards.

[Anonymous No.3584670]

>>3584668
Thanks for the reply desu!

[Anonymous No.3584685]

help

[Anonymous No.3584688]

>>3584685
Just...
You need to learn some construction anon. Seriously because that shit you're drawing is awful.

[Anonymous No.3584691]

help me

[Anonymous No.3584692]

>>3583037
Don't let these chumps fool you. Boxes like these are probably hard for you because your not having that much fun drawing them. Take a step back from this and figure out what you want to draw and instead apply what your learning to that. /ic/ has this incredibly dumb misconception of grinding fundies when art is about having fun! Draw some naked animu or maybe a dramatic knight piercing a dragon. It doesn't have to be good but it'll be a million times more fun to draw than boxes and you'll like it way more when your done because it's what YOU want to draw!

[Anonymous No.3584696]

>>3584691
what's with everyone drawing nuns lately? also this isn't that bad but how were you not able to see how crooked the eyes are, they're actually pretty well drawn eyes individually but one is drifting away from the other

[Anonymous No.3584697]

>>3584696

[Anonymous No.3584698]

>>3584692

you can construct anime and knights fighting dragons with boxes, get fucked

[Anonymous No.3584701]

>>3583472
>>3583465
If you're looking for a real answer. Your poses are very flat and the picture lacks composition.
Nice work on the color though making gains, and producing an actually "finished piece is always nice. Better than 80% of /ic/s "how's my sketch looking guys during."

[Anonymous No.3584702]

>>3584696
nuns are sexy, and their porn are in high demand

[Anonymous No.3584705]

>>3583509
Just a trace. Studies like this don't teach value if that's what your trying to improve.

[Anonymous No.3584707]

>>3584697
What a shitty chin desu.

[Anonymous No.3584709]

>>3584067
Drawing from imagination is a meme. ALWAYS USE A REFRENCE.

[Anonymous No.3584711]

>>3584709
you're a meme

[Anonymous No.3584714]

>>3584709
no, i wanna git gud like KJG. if i get half as good as him i'll die happy

also i draw from reference like 90% of the time and it's unimpressive and boring at this point

[Anonymous No.3584715]

>>3584698
That's exactly what I said you fucking dipshit. Apply your studies, don't just grind them.

[Anonymous No.3584720]

>>3584366
When the head is viewed from profile it is better to use a more ovular circle.

[Anonymous No.3584724]

>>3584709
Terrible advice unless you want to end up like proko

[Anonymous No.3584737]

Hello, ive done this kinda trAced self portrait guide thing after getting first tablet after two days. But I wanna start painting, I've got Medibang and Krita and am relatively decent at drawing but I wanna paint some portraits and I got no idea what to do. Do I start with another outline? What sort of brushes to shade? Types of colour shading? Since I've only done solid line work and have little experience with colour it's alil overwhelming. Thank you anons

[Anonymous No.3584739]

>>3582958
how true is this shit?

[Anonymous No.3584750]

>>3584691
My attempt using your draw as the reference.
> I want to draw qt girls but my bitch looks busted desu.

[Anonymous No.3584758]

>>3584750
either you fucked up while resizing your picture or that's a very thin girl

[Anonymous No.3584764]

>>3584758
Kek. First time posting here.

[Anonymous No.3584773]

>>3582997
copy the images from the book and imagine their dimensions while you do it, dont worry about detail or presentation. What you're trying to do is develop a 3d drawing model in your mind

[Anonymous No.3584774]

>>3584764
>weirdo magazine.
Here's a pro tip that helped me quite a bit. You don't need to draw every single line of the eye. Do some bargue plates on eyes. Once I made that revelation my eyes went up several factors in quality

[Anonymous No.3584791]

What resource do i start with if I want to learn anatomy and figure drawing? I just want to draw knights but I realize that wont go too swell if I dont know shit about the human body. Pretty much starting at absolute zero too.

[Anonymous No.3584796]

Besides the obvious problem of not keeping it to scale, how did I do for the upside Stravinsky? I would have planned it with light lines to keep it to scale, but doesn’t that defeat the point of the exercise a little?

[Anonymous No.3584799]

>>3584774
Thanks for the tip anon. I'm gonna do it and post results.

[Anonymous No.3584802]

>>3584791
unironically loomis. learn to draw his mannequins, then do gesture drawings with them and make sure the proportions are correct. then go deeper into loomis-simplified male anatomy and draw figures from reference. you don't have to learn every single muscle and bone, just the basic parts that you see. then since you want to draw knights, just study armor and learn to break it down into simple forms like boxes, cylinders, spheres, etc.and add the details once you've broken down the whole figure into those simple forms. it will take a lot of practice and many tries but i believe you can draw knights if you at least try to do these things, anon.

[Anonymous No.3584803]

>>3584796
not terrible, not good either. draw something else instead of just doing exercises.

[Anonymous No.3584804]

anyone else ever try doing shit with their non dominant hand?

[Anonymous No.3584805]

>>3584791
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI8GDFj5BQCQrSHITFebzkA/videos

[Anonymous No.3584806]

>>3584804
literally pointless unless you plan on drawing with your other hand just because

[Anonymous No.3584807]

>>3584791
First start with gesture, it’s more important to be able to construct a simple dynamic form before learning more detailed anatomy. Use the site quick poses and start with about 1 minute to draw the figure ( 2 minutes if you need more time to start). Remember to focus not on the countour but the movement of the figure and exaggerate it. After you do a couple of gesture drawings, like around 10 or 20, then kick it up to about five minutes to try and capture more detail. When you do this, then you may begin to feel you need to study more about human anatomy. Look up a couple of anatomy books from Loomis, Vilppu or Bridgman. Bridgman (Constructive Anatomy) focuses more on blocky detailed anatomy that you can use Vilppu (The Vilppu drawing manual) or Loomis (figure drawing for all its worth) to build off of. Afterwards, you can come back and keep progressing your ability with studying the human form. After a couple of days (or more) of practice try drawing a human a human form first and later armor on top of it. Keep practicing that, and you should eventually get to a level you’ll be somewhat satisfied with.
Tl;dr
>gesture with one to two minute interval, focus on movement not contour
>look up Following Anatomy Books/Artists
-Loomis — Figure Drawing for All it’s Worth
-Vilppu — The Vilppu Drawing Manual
-Bridgman — Constructive Anatomy
>keep practicing anatomy drawings and gesture
>do some normal drawings occasionally with knowledge you know for fun/see where you’re at
>start layering armor on top of human forms when you feel confident

Keep a schedule with this. Something like an hour a day for ten days. If I missed something or made an error someone please correct me.

[Anonymous No.3584809]

>>3584803
Stuff like still life drawings or people with ocassional guidance from books?

[Anonymous No.3584814]

>>3584807
Just to be sure since I said it weird
Loomis or Vilppu first, then Bridgman

[Anonymous No.3584815]

>>3584809
what do you WANT to draw? there's no point in practicing if you're not working towards a goal, which is something you're passionate about drawing.

[Anonymous No.3584829]

>>3584574
i keep scrolling up and down this thread and i noticed this didn't get any yous despite being the best drawing itt well done anon i like the moobs

[Anonymous No.3584831]

>>3584829
I mean, what kind of people do you think visits /beg/ anon, it's quite hard for beginners to give critique

[Anonymous No.3584832]

>>3584831
yeah but you could always say something nice like i do

[Anonymous No.3584833]

>>3584572
>>3584578
Bump

Anyone?

[Anonymous No.3584836]

>>3584637
gotta forshorten the pointing finger

[Anonymous No.3584838]

>>3584806
idk that first part was a fascinating spearment doing left handed with a grid. Started to get the hang of it after around 30 minutes once I started thinking more about how wrists work and stuff. Makes your brainguts have to consider things you may take for granted normally idk

[Anonymous No.3584839]

>>3584804
>>3584806
Good shit for fixing up your 'real' co-ordination, and your overall mental health and executive function. Combine it with left-right brain excersizes for maximum Benefit (showing eyes closed, put your clocks upside down, write and draw left handed, look up some full body co-ordination excersizes.) Good shit.

[Anonymous No.3584841]

>>3584839
*Showering eyes closed. Also like writing the words for colours and using the wrong colour pen then reading them back to yourself.

[Anonymous No.3584858]

>>3584839
definitely feels like it's clearing out some gob webbies or whatever.

opening new neural pathways or flexing under utilized ones or whatever

[Anonymous No.3584860]

>>3584858
imagine if you actually spent time doing studies instead of trusting random hocus pocus

[Anonymous No.3584863]

>>3584815
End goal is mech art for non human art (though sort of) and noir style with heavy ink for human art

[Anonymous No.3584868]

>>3584815
Sorry, >>3584863 was a really low quality no vague reply so let me be more specific.
I want to draw mecha art since as a kid I used to draw gunpla. As well, my father was an industrial designer who loved syd Meade so his style of a I if I like. The other style which I feel I want to practice more is a film noir style with heavy blacks. Examplesmfor this would be Mike Mignola, Sigenori Soejima, or Shawn Martinbrough

[Anonymous No.3584869]

>>3584860
>doing studies
I mean basically everything I do is a study. 300 dang acrylic paintings trying different techniques, order of operations, expressions, gestures, etc.
> instead of trusting random hocus pocus
like neuroplasticity and learning and the doors of perception and stuff?

Why do you think there would be NO benefit to practicing what you do with your non-dominant hand? If nothing else it's a challenge that will be forcing your brain to encode and process the behavior more than normal. Literally makes your perception of time slow down and your memories are working harder to encode what's happening.

Plus now I'll have a lefthanded painting that I can shitpost.

[Anonymous No.3584872]

>>3584705
>Just a trace
What? I didn't trace the ref if that's what you're saying.
What kind of studies should I do for improving values, then? Also, I was trying to improve my ability to measure and copy things generally, not only values.

[Anonymous No.3584881]

>>3584869
you know what, if you think they're helping then you do you then

[Anonymous No.3584883]

>>3584881
ere breh

[Anonymous No.3584933]

>>3584833
I dont know much myself as I've just started drawing but I'd say you might be intermediate seeing as your lines look very confident in the final result.

Not to mention your second sketch backs up that your fundamentals are there you build up the hand and arm mentally quickly to make a better sketch.

I'd say get another posted opinion on it as well as I said I'm new to drawing
Pic related

[Anonymous No.3584954]

are cylinders one of those things where there isn't really some secret technique and you just have to know how to draw?
I was hoping that while grind these Cylinders I'd have a sudden enlightenment and learn the secret of cylinders

[Anonymous No.3584963]

>>3584954
There are no secrets.

[Anonymous No.3584969]

>>3584954
wtf are you gonna learn from grinding cylinders? 2 circles connected by a 2 parallel lines easy peasy

[Anonymous No.3584970]

>>3584933
nice refraction

[Anonymous No.3584987]

is it possible to do smooth shading with a ballpoint pen

[Anonymous No.3584989]

How do I enjoy the process of drawing even when the result turns out like shit?

[Anonymous No.3584993]

>>3584989
Draw something shit on purpose.

[Anonymous No.3584994]

>>3584987
if you did it big enough you could cross hatch gradient shading and all that stuff and it'd look "smooth" from a comfy distance? Or if you use it wet as fuck you could schmear it maybe?

pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.3584997]

>>3584989
It doesn't need to be about what it looks like but what it could become. And like drawing and art production is meditation and mindful focus on a thing and stuff.

[Anonymous No.3585011]

>>3584954
You learn nothing by grinding something in such a repetetive autistic fashion.
Mindless grinding to "get gud" just through milage, is a meme.
The Important thing about simple Forms, which the cylinder is part of, is to understand 3-dimensional space.
1.) Learn the basics of the basics about perspective (Ernest Norling)
2.) Practice drawing simple Forms facing in different directions and more/less extreme prespectives.
3.) do some still lifes

[Anonymous No.3585024]

[Anonymous No.3585029]

I have become overwhelmed with all the possible ways for me to improve my art by grinding and I’m not sure what to do anymore. I recently picked up drawing again after years due to being unmotivated from it by school and stuff, but because of that I’m not sure what level I’m at in /beg/ tier and don’t know what to improve on now.
What should I do? I’m not that art illiterate to not know when something is going wrong but I don’t know what to add either and how to improve in certain parts of art. Basically I’m lost and don’t know what to draw. I do have a goal on what I want to do but it’s very bland to grind towards that goal.
I know this post might seem very confusing but I don’t know what to say.

[Anonymous No.3585035]

>>3585024
looks like there's some good stuff in there. but it's so messy it's hard to see

[Anonymous No.3585038]

>>3585029
well then do some drawings and come back when you're ready to show them to us and maybe we'll know what advice to give you

[Anonymous No.3585093]

>>3584118
Good work lad

[Anonymous No.3585094]

>>3584860

Increase executive function = increased ability to study. Mental exercise isn't "hocus pocus" hahaha.

>>3584858
Plus learning to Visualise and illustrate in an new way you aren't used to, is great for artists and stops you from getting stuck in doing everything one way.

[Anonymous No.3585118]

>>3585029
>all the possible ways
all ways are actually very similar. they should get you to the same point.
some people are just attracted to different artists interpretations of how to get there,
see what you can do, and what you cant.
that's your starting point.

[Anonymous No.3585142]

when doing line art how do you figure out whether to draw a line or not? I'm not talking about outline but sort of shading lines. At the moment I seem to be hit and miss at it. pic related is obviously not mine.

[Anonymous No.3585173]

how do i stop being distracted from drawing by tv and the internet?

[Anonymous No.3585175]

>>3585142
You'll get a feel for it with enough practice.

[Anonymous No.3585177]

>>3585173
Sell your tv and drop your internet provider.

[Anonymous No.3585203]

>>3584989

the process also involves self correcting, on your next attempt try to fix what you did wrong and if it looks better than the previous result derive enjoyment from that. if you're comparing your /beg/ shit results to professionals you need to stop that and instead learn to analyze what makes the professional shit look good and try to emulate it and make it your own

[Anonymous No.3585210]

>>3585035
yeah I think I'm making it a thing for me now where I do doodles in uneraseable pen first, then go back and do a pencil version of a more focused version of what worked from the pen version.

Something for me about pencil where once I start using the eraser things start to get fucked for right brain impulsive focus or something. I find that getting rid of the eraser gets rid of a lot of anxiety for first drafts for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.3585211]

>>3585210

[Anonymous No.3585239]

>>3584970
Thanks dude

[Anonymous No.3585253]

Can you give me some simple beginner exercises to learn to control the pencil and stuff?

[Anonymous No.3585261]

I'm gonna go insane if I keep trying to fix everything wrong with this over and over again
>>3583623
Didn't even listen to your advice sorry for letting you down senpai

[Anonymous No.3585274]

>>3585029
>>3585038
I'm delusional, aren't I anon? I just think that I have the basic things down, such as controlling the pen and constructing. I just don't know what exercises to do as I'm willing to grind doing boxes or whatever. As I wrote in the image, it took me 25 minutes to do those three sketches. All of them are utter shit and I feel like I'm not improving at all.

[Anonymous No.3585281]

>>3585274

Pick one of the following 4 to work on

1. Sketch
- light quick line strokes
- indicate the position and size of each object
- indicate the surface the objects are laying on
- indicate the background

2. Construction
-Size
- Relational Sizes
-Position
- Relational Positions
-Angles
- Relational Angles

3. Shading
- 3 Tone Value
- 5 Tone Value

4. Rendering
- Full range of tones (7+)
- Details

[Anonymous No.3585283]

what are some good projects to work on to improve? I find grinding so uninspiring that I always give up sooner or later

[Anonymous No.3585284]

>>3585283
go to the /las/ thread. Read up about the dad website and participate.

[Anonymous No.3585305]

Does the Loomis method of constructing heads transfer to drawing anything? I don't want to waste my time learning a technique that only applies to heads.

[Anonymous No.3585307]

>>3585305
do you plan on not drawing heads ever?

[Anonymous No.3585309]

>>3585307
Don't want to have to learn a bunch of different methods for different subjects. I just want one general method that works for everything.

[Anonymous No.3585310]

>>3585309
It's called construction.

[Anonymous No.3585320]

>>3583285
>But now I'm worried this is just babystuff and I'm wasting my time
Given what you posted, I don't think it's a waste of time and you definitely need to be doing those exercises. I haven't personally done a lot of drawabox so I can't attest to the value of all of it, but you need to work on those.

[Anonymous No.3585365]

ok im fucking horrible at drawing hair does anyone know any good resources like books/videos on the subject?

[Anonymous No.3585379]

when do you know when you've graduated /beg/

[Anonymous No.3585380]

>>3585310
How do I learn it?

[Anonymous No.3585383]

>>3585380
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj
read this

[Anonymous No.3585386]

>>3583014
tips for learning?

[Anonymous No.3585387]

>>3585383
Dude that is ridiculously long, just point me to the part about "construction" please

[Anonymous No.3585395]

>>3585387
its the part with the titled "construction and form".

[Anonymous No.3585397]

How am I coming along? It would be even better but I finished in a hurry.

[Anonymous No.3585398]

>>3585395
thanks dude

[Anonymous No.3585399]

>>3585397
At least make an effort to draw realistically if you want people to give you feedback

[Anonymous No.3585405]

>>3585379
No one is making you stay.

[Anonymous No.3585414]

>>3585399
But anon, I calculated that belly for hours! In all seriousness, sorry if I breached a rule, I am not from this board and just tried to share a laugh. I thought this would be the only place that could appreciate it, as I laughed while drawing it. A lot. I guess I have to go back.

[Anonymous No.3585426]

>>3585414
hey I'm not saying you have to go anywhere but it's kinda hard to get sarcasm when talking to a stranger over the internet.

[Anonymous No.3585433]

I think number 20 is the least terrible here.

[Anonymous No.3585435]

is the horizon always at eye level?

[Anonymous No.3585437]

>>3585435
yes
"The horizon line is determined by the height of the viewer. It is their eye level or eye line. Outside it is also the line at which a person’s view is obstructed by the curvature of the earth. If the view is clear of obstacles (mountains, buildings, trees, etc.) the curvature creates a visual boundary between the earth and the sky."

[Anonymous No.3585447]

>>3584578
You got the bones of the lower arm wrong.

[Anonymous No.3585455]

>>3585447
or the hand, depends how you look at it. But it's spectacularly wrong.

[Anonymous No.3585470]

Is the perspective on this treasure chest okay or totally fucked?

[Anonymous No.3585481]

Is there a good way to learn to eyeball rotating a circle in proper perspective? It takes what I feel is way too much effort to get my ellipses sitting right, and by extension my cones and cut-up and intersecting spheres often come out looking a bit wonky.

[Anonymous No.3585484]

>>3585470
ask yourself this:

can you imagine closing the lid and would it fit on top of the opening?

[Anonymous No.3585498]

>>3585386
Draw a lot of real humans figures and heads and don't be afraid of books. You need to feel perspective and froms.

Online video courses are cool. Study anime alot, study hairs and expressions. They have weird proportions and stuff so you gonna get use to it.

Don't cry that you never gonna make it. This shit take some time and effort. After some time you will be able to visual forms in your head and construction wouldn't be necessary.

[Anonymous No.3585502]

>>3584833
obviously not a /beg/, god faggots like you are the worst, You know your not /beg/ but you post in the thread anyway for adulation and just make people who are actually /beg/ feel shitty about their ability.
t.butthurt beginner

[Anonymous No.3585506]

>>3584685
Do you have a mental illness? Completely serious desu

[Anonymous No.3585520]

how do I lineart? do I do it like I slowly move my hand over the sketch lines or do I do it like drawing a whole line at once?

[Anonymous No.3585525]

where is my proportion off?

[Anonymous No.3585529]

>>3585525
look at the hips and compare legs too

[Anonymous No.3585530]

>>3585525
the part above the arms seem a little to thin and the stomach and hips look a little to thick

[Anonymous No.3585531]

>>3585525
Just use photoshop or GIMP and overlay the images

[Anonymous No.3585552]

>>3585253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3971zJW9VHI

>>3583285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKagPZSLq6Y
you use different parts for different things.

[Anonymous No.3585557]

>>3585529
Ah you're right I didn't compare the placement of the elbows to the hips thanks I didn't notice.

[Anonymous No.3585559]

>>3585502

If he has to ask the question, he is /beg/ for sure

[Anonymous No.3585611]

[Anonymous No.3585627]

>>3582958
chewing through Scott How to draw
what is the point drawing grid?

[Anonymous No.3585675]

is it worth following this guides?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8x_TClXuxM&index=2&list=PLgKJMTFp_25hyplziEhPiDRfnsMn5nSQx

[Anonymous No.3585694]

This is my first real drawing, mind you I used a iPad, a free animation program, and a cheap stylus, but whatever you want to call it, it is my first I don't know how tf to shade it but I have been working on this for about a month now and now want help shading it.

[Anonymous No.3585732]

>>3585694
>IMG_6309
yeah, nah

[Anonymous No.3585736]

>>3585694
>>>/b/ is more your speed

[Anonymous No.3585740]

>>3585694
looks neat

[Anonymous No.3585742]

>>3585740
Go away, Jimmy

[Anonymous No.3585767]

>>3585766 I got the post wrong but please help me, besides a cleaner shading I was pretty happy with that torso and head and arms, it looked correct to me

[Anonymous No.3585773]

>>3585767
post your reference

[Anonymous No.3585775]

>>3585773
Used no reference but I was thinking about this

[Anonymous No.3585776]

>>3585775
try drawing it again but this time use this pic as a reference

[Anonymous No.3585778]

>>3584739
>Framed Ink
>The ultimate guide to visual storytelling
why do I need to do this before doing all the figure first?

[Anonymous No.3585779]

>>3585732
It's on a old iPad that was used for photography.

[Anonymous No.3585782]

>>3585779
try actually drawing something next time

[Anonymous No.3585784]

>>3585782
With a pen? Nah, my fine motor skills r shit. Imagine a doctor, now add Parkinson's desies, and u got something around half as accurate with a pen as me.

[Anonymous No.3585786]

Construction is really hard.

[Anonymous No.3585788]

>>3585784
then this thread isn't for you

[Anonymous No.3585790]

>>3585788
Which is?

[Anonymous No.3585792]

>>3585786
You make the ball for construction but then you completely ignore the ball for the head shape? That’s pretty weird. Look into Loomis for head construction, I’m pretty sure it can be applied well to anime too.

[Anonymous No.3585796]

>>3585782
W8... I did draw this on the iPad, it's just I used a few programs called adobe sketch, adobe draw (mostly), and adobe capture.

[Anonymous No.3585803]

>>3585792
It can, it's the same basic idea after all. You just have to stylize it and make some parts a bit sharper, depending on the style of anime you're going for.

That said, I suck at it.

[Anonymous No.3585810]

How is this? Any tips would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3585811]

>>3585810
your reference?

[Anonymous No.3585812]

>>3585811

[Anonymous No.3585813]

>>3585810
Them teeth look creepy af. I wish I had that kind of fine motor skills but those teeth really look creepy af

[Anonymous No.3585815]

>>3585813
I know. I was trying to figure out how to draw the teeth properly

[Anonymous No.3585817]

>>3585815
I'm trying to figure out what board is best for ppl who draw on iPads and how tf to shade my art. >>3585694 is my... thing. I was trying to draw the metatron (with 72 wings, like he should have.) but don't know how to shade it. I think closing the mouth on your picture and drawing a separation between the teeth to show that it's not one set of massive teeth would work wonders, but I don't know shit, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.3585822]

Trying to decide if this looks off or not. Just trying to focus on bodies and not too much faces. Also no feet or hands yet because fuck those.

[Anonymous No.3585823]

Reference. Also sorry for the shitty picture.

[Anonymous No.3585859]

I'm currently reading through perspective made easy by Ernest Norling, when people say do the exercises, are they referring to the "problems"?

[Anonymous No.3585876]

>>3585611
The head and neck of the last one is sticking out like a sore thumb to me. Including the head of the middle one. The first one is pretty alright.

[Anonymous No.3585888]

>>3585803
Your initial division of the ball is unequal.

[Anonymous No.3585892]

>>3585859
Do the "problems" seem exercise like?

[Anonymous No.3585900]

>>3585859
yes

[Anonymous No.3585930]

>>3585788
why is this thread filled with salty autistic retards? jesus christ

[Anonymous No.3586014]

>>3585930
I mean, he's not exactly wrong. /beg/ is mainly for people learning to draw traditionally. I don't know if there's much help to be had from posting abstract work in /beg/.

[Anonymous No.3586016]

>>3586014
plus I don't know if constructive criticism can even be given to abstract art

[Anonymous No.3586020]

>>3586014
It's like waving your big dick around in a Small Penises Anonymous group

[Anonymous No.3586022]

>>3586020
it's more akin to waving your vagina around in a testicular cancer support group

[Anonymous No.3586027]

Need help with drawing vehicle side views, especially vehicles like tanks

I start with a box, but I have trouble maintaining the proportions and it always looks off

Can anyone give me some advice on how I can accurately construct and draw vehicles?

Also on a side note, it always seems like any of my work that involves hard surfaces just seems to lack the confidence(especially in the linework), any tips for fixing that as well?

[Anonymous No.3586031]

>>3586027
measure it, pick a part not too big but also not too small, and use it as a reference to measure the whole thing
also not quite sure what you mean by lack of confidence

[Anonymous No.3586064]

>>3584685
You need construction
Youtube it. Head drawing

[Anonymous No.3586086]

>>3586027
you asked this last thread wanker.

[Anonymous No.3586116]

I really miss communities. I stopped drawing 11 years ago when I was 15 and realized that what I drew and posted on deviantart was autistic garbage. Now I don't even have the guts to post my shit anywhere, and if i did, there wouldn't be anyone seeing it anyway. It's probably a really attention-whoring thing to want, but I really miss having drawing buddies, seeing each other's progress, and all that.
I don't really have a point i just felt like being a little whinny bitch.

[Anonymous No.3586167]

>>3586016
This counts as abstract? M8 I just want help shading.
>>3586020
I'm brand new to art, besides the shit everyone tries as a grade-schooler I have no experience with visual art besides photoshop and archi-cadd in school. I just want help shading it.
>>3586022
Why does everyone act like I'm way below my league? I spent hundreds of hours doing this, and i didn't even draw anything like hands or feet.

[Anonymous No.3586170]

>>3586167
go here >>3572330 instead

[Anonymous No.3586173]

30 mins. What can i do better when it comes to this amount of simplicity.

[Anonymous No.3586176]

[Anonymous No.3586183]

>>3586173
perspective probably
is the radio tower a triangle shaped tower?

[Anonymous No.3586186]

>>3585822
the angle of the torso looks a bit weird if you compare it to your reference

[Anonymous No.3586189]

[Anonymous No.3586198]

>>3586196
>>3586196
>>3586196

NEW THREAD

[Anonymous No.3586202]

>>3586183
yes

[Anonymous No.3586311]

>>3584807
Thanks for the help man, ill look into it.

[Anonymous No.3586350]

>>3586086
no I didn't, go shitpost in another thread

[Anonymous No.3586368]

>>3586350
you did, you just used another tank picture.

[Anonymous No.3586388]

>>3586368
link it to me

[Anonymous No.3586420]

>>3585876
Hmm, you're right. Thanks for the feedback, very useful to know. I start my drawings with the head so that's critical.

[Anonymous No.3586447]

>>3585822
You're trying to do way too much. A drawing like this is good and fine, but alongside lots of studying as a kind of summation of your work to try and see progress. Decide if you're going to focus on gesture, or form, and take it from there and just do pure gesture/ form exercises. Once you're confident that you're feeling the gesture/form as you're drawing, then you can start to put it together and do figure drawings. But if you can't tell gesture apart from form, or anatomy, then you first need to thoroughly realize and understand that, practice it, and then try to combine it into a singular figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.3588098]

>>3583343
What resource(s) are you using to achieve these perspective gains? It's all very dynamic.

[Anonymous No.3588833]

Help!
I'm trying to shift from acrylic to oil paints but the colors just seem to blend on wet on wet not giving me the color on the palette. I'm used to working in layers on acrylic. If i want a light color over dark i just wait for the lower layer to dry than slap a thick stroke over that. When i do this with oil even while using more paint it still manages to mix with the lower layer. How do i paint correctly? Or is this facilitated because I'm using cheap student grade paints? Please help i don't want to make a new thread for this.