BRUSH ECONOMY

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BRUSH ECONOMY Anonymous Thu May 23 16:31:01 2013 No.1457236 [Reply] [Original]

Gentlefolk of /ic/, let us share artwork and discuss issues pertaining to brush economy in painting, as it relates to work done with actual physical paint.

Pic related - it's a detail of An Artist In His Studio by John Singer Sargent, from 1904.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:32:01 2013 No.1457237 File: 201 KB, 1143x883, sargent-studio-dartista2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here is the entire painting.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:36:30 2013 No.1457243 File: 190 KB, 606x480, Slonim,_David_red_house__yellow_house.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A more rustic contemporary work that I like a lot. I don't know the exact size, but I believe it's quite small.

Anonymous Thu May 23 16:37:00 2013 No.1457244
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As someone just getting into oils I really need a thread like this.

/ic/ really does not discuss enough traditional mediums/art.

I'm fairly confident with the way I'm handling it so far even though I'm quite new to it.

Anyone have any recommended reading or info for oils?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:44:30 2013 No.1457248 >>1457244 Oils are just MEDIUM, what the fuck do you need to read about oils? The problem probably is that you don't know how to draw or you dons understand light and color.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:47:31 2013 No.1457255 >>1457248 this. newbs are always place undue emphasis on medium and technique.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:49:31 2013 No.1457259 >>1457248 There's a great deal to handling paint that doesn't have anything to do with drawing. Please try to relax and be more thoughtful and civil.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:49:31 2013 No.1457260 File: 81 KB, 894x733, girl1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457248 > this guys work

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:51:01 2013 No.1457266 >>1457260 Grow up.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:51:30 2013 No.1457264 >>1457244 Well, there's Alla Prima: Everything I Know About Painting, by Richard Schmid.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 16:54:30 2013 No.1457271 >>1457266 If you're the one who posted this, you might do better to take your own advice: >>1457248

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:05:00 2013 No.1457288 File: 704 KB, 1514x1057, The_Stone_Bridge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Stone Bridge, by Rembrandt.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:06:30 2013 No.1457289 File: 976 KB, 2099x1059, The_Stone_Bridge_detail_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457288 Detail 1

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:07:30 2013 No.1457290 File: 973 KB, 2101x1058, The_Stone_Bridge_detail_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457288 >>1457289 Detail 2

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:12:31 2013 No.1457295 File: 340 KB, 1600x1067, Leyendecker couple detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Leyendecker's brushwork is insane

Anonymous Thu May 23 17:16:00 2013 No.1457302
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>>1457244
For my own reasons, i had to start painting in oils to color my illustrations, something that i didn´t did since 1994. There are some stuff you need to know:
1- You mix colors directly in the painting. This is a great advantage of the medium when creating shades, but oil paintings have different results depending for how long it has been wet or dry - there´s a semy-dry moment when the paint has a different result.
2 - Applying linen oil to the canvas before painting will result in a different, smoother stroke, and mixing it with cobalt dryer will make the paint dry in a night or two;
3 - You can paint in paper, cheaper than conventional canvas and easier to scan to the computer. Those are 30% cotton paper, special paper for oil painting, and you can get a ream of 20 leafs with 20x30 cm for the price of one traditional canvas, great for practice.
4 - A paint needs a drawing. It´s easy to paint, but hard to draw. A good drawer can easily become a good painter, but a good painter will hardly became a good drawer, so learn how to draw first.

Dune !!vQzb8NfaT1N Thu May 23 17:23:00 2013 No.1457313

>>1457244
Most of /ic/ loves traditional mediums and art, its why everyone here loves Craig Mullins and Jaime Jones. There's just less of it posted because being able to save and upload a copy from Photoshop takes about five seconds. On the other hand, for an oil painting you would need to find a good light and angle that accurately represents what you're seeing outside of the camera. Then you have to plug stuff in, etc. I imagine it's why most people got into digital, it's just simpler in almost all aspects. Less paint to buy and mix, less stuff getting in the way of making art.

Alla Prima is a great book to start with, as well as Gurney's Color and Light. For landscapes there's a ton of books and tutorials, but I'd probably watch Shaddy Safaddi's whether or not you're into digital. He refers back to Alla Prima a lot.

Some good artists to check out are
>Qiang Huang
>Dave Palumbo
>John Singer Sargent
>Anders Zorn
>Craig Mullins and Jaime Jones
>Maciej Kuciara
>Scott Christensen
Both Craig and Jaime draw a lot from Sargent (and a bit of Zorn), who really was a master of economy in the truest sense. If you google "Jaime Jones workshop" you should find some examples of his work where he quotes JSS directly. Craig has a 9 page write-up from Sargent's students on his site (Goodbrush.com, head over to Misc and then Painting information for the .pdf). What it came down to was intense patience and accuracy. He would think about literally every single stroke before he put it down. Even when he worked in stages (Block in then detail) he would make sure the shape is absolutely correct before continuing. Then he would simplify and destroy what he did if necessary. Here's a great site featuring all his work
>http://jssgallery.org/index.htm

>>1457248
Need to calm down and stop saying random crap.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:29:00 2013 No.1457318 File: 845 KB, 1368x1055, Melancholy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Melancholy - Edgar Degas

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:31:00 2013 No.1457323 File: 910 KB, 1990x1018, Melancholy_detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457318 detail

Anonymous Thu May 23 17:32:01 2013 No.1457324

>>1457313

>He would think about literally every single stroke before he put it down.

This is how every beginner in drawing or painting should do. Huge percentage of people who want to be an artist don't think a shit what they are doing. They spend hours, days, weeks, months for scribbling and hope this will get them to the top.
Every single shit should be done carefully for first few times.

Dune !!vQzb8NfaT1N Thu May 23 18:05:31 2013 No.1457367

>>1457324
Yep, I agree. What I think happens (and I may be wrong, or it's obvious and I'm not nearly as brilliant as my mom tells me) is that there's a subtle change in mindset regarding how paint is put down. When you're doing a study, you should be analytical in every move you make. So one might think:

>This is a bumpy surface, so the highlight there is going to be wavy

This starts to get tedious after some time, and naturally your attention will fade and it becomes

>Squiggly white line here...
>Squiggly blue here.

Until eventually you're not paying attention at all and just mechanically making strokes ("licking"). Newbies will fall into this trap often because they simply don't know better, and experienced painters hit this but might not realize it for some time. This is why I tend to step away from a piece, or even grab an instrument and play a little, every twenty minutes or so. Sargent did this, and it just helped him clear his mind a little so he could go back refreshed.

Apologies if everything I say is long-winded. Few people around here seem to actually want legit help, OP seems the type.

>>	Dune !!vQzb8NfaT1N Thu May 23 18:10:00 2013 No.1457377 File: 568 KB, 764x1000, Final project stage 7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457367 Here's Qiang, as I mentioned before.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 18:19:30 2013 No.1457383 File: 490 KB, 878x1060, Mary_Cassatt_by_Degas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457244 You posted Cassatt. Here's a portrait of Cassatt by Degas.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 18:22:30 2013 No.1457387 >>1457383 they boned i bet

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 18:28:00 2013 No.1457393 >>1457387 how old are you 14?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 18:43:30 2013 No.1457404 File: 103 KB, 555x800, image001[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457393 28, i just like to think of mary cassatt boning, just look at her that saucy minx

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 22:08:33 2013 No.1457535 seeing this gives me the hardest inspiration boner like an actual physical boner for art. holy shit

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 22:45:03 2013 No.1457543 File: 176 KB, 1332x1600, Self_Portrait_as_Apostle_Paul.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rembrant - Self Portrait as the Apostle Paul

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 22:46:03 2013 No.1457544 File: 771 KB, 1649x1017, Self_Portrait_as_Apostle_detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457543 detail

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 00:57:34 2013 No.1457586 File: 1.64 MB, 1178x1332, Frans_Hals_-_Luitspelende_nar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Fri May 24 01:32:05 2013 No.1457600

Knowing that most of /ic/ have near to 0 experience it must be noted that as a beginner, trying this style you'll get nothing but shit.

Despite /ic/ naive ideas, you'll learn much more spending several hours refining your strokes, until you're happy with the results.

Anonymous Fri May 24 02:09:34 2013 No.1457612

>>1457600
You must be quite confused, plus you don't seem to have read the thread. For instance:
>What it came down to was intense patience and accuracy. He would think about literally every single stroke before he put it down. Even when he worked in stages (Block in then detail) he would make sure the shape is absolutely correct before continuing. Then he would simplify and destroy what he did if necessary.

You seem to think that the paintings were done in haste, and that this thread is somehow about encouraging people to make hasty paintings. How could you get so disoriented. Drink some water or something.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 02:19:04 2013 No.1457616 File: 174 KB, 1156x950, The_Death_of_Sardanapalus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eugene Delacroix - The Death of Sardanapalus He's dying so he has all of his horses and slaves and such slaughtered to die with him. Kind of a dick.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 02:20:04 2013 No.1457617 File: 857 KB, 2099x1060, The_Death_of_Sardanapalus_1844_detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457616 detail

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 02:26:34 2013 No.1457620 File: 548 KB, 1345x1060, The_Death_of_Sardanapalus_study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457616 >>1457617 Meant to post this (the study) first. The detail is from this study. The first one is the finished version.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:20:35 2013 No.1457644 File: 942 KB, 1406x1057, Fruit_Displayed_on_a_Stand_(c.1881).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gustave Caillebotte

Anonymous Fri May 24 04:22:35 2013 No.1457646
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>>1457644
detail

We were talking about this guy in another thread. Some people liked his studies more than his finished paintings, but he's got a lot of paintings where he's plenty loose. There's nothing crazy here, no, but it's kept fresh.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:23:05 2013 No.1457648 >>1457646 i dont like his stuff i have to say, he paints like someone who can't paint

Anonymous Fri May 24 04:27:05 2013 No.1457649
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>>1457648
That's OK, you're allowed not to like him.

This is Gustave Caillebotte again. Looks tame, but the people who liked his studies should enjoy the following detail (if they ever noticed this thread).

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:29:05 2013 No.1457650 File: 960 KB, 2099x1060, Sailing_Boats_at_Argenteuil_(c.1888)_detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457649 detail

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:35:36 2013 No.1457661 File: 877 KB, 868x1059, The_Orchestra_at_the_Opera_1870.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Edgar Degas - The Orchestra at the Opera House, 1870 One of my favorite pieces of modern art.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:36:06 2013 No.1457662 File: 683 KB, 1800x950, The_Orchestra_at_the_Opera_1870_detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457661 detail

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:16:06 2013 No.1457746 File: 169 KB, 1280x960, 2dollaBJcindy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457302 pls stop painting thx

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:27:07 2013 No.1457753 >>1457746 Don't listen to this guy. Continue painting. But drop that awful anime shit and learn some real anatomy. You're making DBZ look like John Singer Sargent.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:49:37 2013 No.1458156 File: 751 KB, 800x1060, Skeleton_Smoking.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:50:39 2013 No.1458158 File: 971 KB, 2100x1059, Skeleton_Smoking(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 00:17:39 2013 No.1458177 File: 384 KB, 866x1059, Manet-Masked_Ball_at_the_Opera_1873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Loose sketch by Edward Manet.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 00:18:39 2013 No.1458178 File: 916 KB, 2099x1059, Manet-Masked_Ball_at_the_Opera_1873-(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458177 detail

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:23:12 2013 No.1458222 >>1458156 I think you mean whenyouareengulfedinflames.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 04:01:35 2013 No.1458239 >>1457295 The man is genius.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 04:13:06 2013 No.1458245 >>1458222 Is that the name? I didn't know so I just described it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:28:06 2013 No.1458285 >>1458245 >>1458222 I see it was used as the cover of a book with that name. Apparently this painting is not much bigger than a standard sheet of printer paper.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:18:06 2013 No.1458299 >>1458285 well its just a study he did in class so you wouldn't expect it to be huge or anything

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:43:07 2013 No.1458352 File: 969 KB, 1656x985, The_Lion_Hunt_1854_(detail)b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458351 detail

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:43:10 2013 No.1458351 File: 925 KB, 1484x1059, The_Lion_Hunt_1854.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eugene Delacroix - rough sketch for one of The Lion Hunt paintings

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:49:37 2013 No.1458355 File: 972 KB, 1532x1176, The_Lion_Hunt_final.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Lion Hunt - finalized

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:07:09 2013 No.1458363 >>1457377 Hmm, pretty boring in regards to subject matters, but really nice brushwork! Gotta try to learn something from this guy...

>>	sMk !ArcH9WpopA Sat May 25 12:09:38 2013 No.1458365 >>1458351 "rough sketch"... Please post more

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:12:08 2013 No.1458366 File: 87 KB, 800x634, tape_by_turningshadow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another still life artist who's brushwork I really like is David Cheifetz (goes by the name turningshadows over at Deviant Art)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:34:09 2013 No.1458384 File: 579 KB, 952x1058, Harmony_in_Flesh_&_Red_1869.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458365 OK. I don't have all that many hi-definition paint sketches, but here's one by James Abbott McNeill Whistler.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:35:08 2013 No.1458387 File: 974 KB, 1872x1012, Harmony_in_Flesh_&_Red_1869_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458384 detail

>>	sMk !ArcH9WpopA Sat May 25 12:38:09 2013 No.1458390 >>1458384 >>1458387 These are fantastic.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:46:08 2013 No.1458394 File: 972 KB, 2099x1060, View_of_Paris,_July_1886_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458393 detail

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:46:38 2013 No.1458393 File: 864 KB, 844x1057, Variations_in_Flesh_Color_&_Green-(...)1870-79.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458390 You might like this. Also Whistler.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:47:07 2013 No.1458396 File: 868 KB, 1881x1060, Variations_in_Flesh_Color_&_Green-(...)1870-79_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458393 detail

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 14:30:08 2013 No.1458425 File: 563 KB, 836x1056, Self_Portrait_Van_Gogh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 14:31:39 2013 No.1458426 File: 967 KB, 2099x1058, Self_Portrait_Van_Gogh_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458425 detail

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 18:52:39 2013 No.1458618 >>1458425 Hardly economic, might as well post Seurat or Freud at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 19:39:08 2013 No.1458647 >>1458618 You have a point in a way, though Freud had some stellar brush economy. You might want to rethink that. Just because he worked slowly and often layered things doesn't mean he couldn't say quite a lot with big, meaningful brushstrokes.

>>	Feedback? Anonymous Sat May 25 19:49:38 2013 No.1458650 Could use a little feedback on some of my art http://theflitelessbird.deviantart.com/art/Motherly-373809507

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 21:02:09 2013 No.1458697 >>1458650 Does this have something to do with brush economy or did you just fuck up by posting in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 22:29:38 2013 No.1458747 >>1458697 Fucked up ;]

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 22:34:39 2013 No.1458748 File: 644 KB, 1298x1060, A_Seascape_Shipping_by_Moonlight_1864.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OK, to get back to real economy... Monet, 1864. Rare nocturne from the man. Super loose, but look close and see what he was able to get from it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 22:35:39 2013 No.1458749 File: 892 KB, 1944x982, A_Seascape_Shipping_by_Moonlight_1864_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458748 Aaaaaaand the detail

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 00:54:38 2013 No.1458820 >>1458363 Look up Alla Prima or wet on wet.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 01:47:38 2013 No.1458848 File: 433 KB, 1536x1382, 1961.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458647 I have decided that I agree with you about Freud.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 01:51:08 2013 No.1458849 File: 89 KB, 941x501, Jean-_douard Vuillard - Statuettes on the Mantlepiece.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Vuillard. Notice that the statues are just streaks of highlight atop the imprimatura.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 01:55:39 2013 No.1458851 File: 1.85 MB, 831x1200, Vincent_van_Gogh_-_Le_Moulin_de_blute-fin(1886)small.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458425 a more economic Van Gogh:

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 02:35:38 2013 No.1458859 >>1458851 thats pretty good for van gogh, still from school i think

Anonymous Sun May 26 03:06:38 2013 No.1458868
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I found a 50 GB torrent of paintings if anyone is interested: http://btdigg.org/search?info_hash=98df8b23713747253fde54f22940da1fb007a3bb

(CBR is basically a RAR archive, can open with Sumatra PDF reader too)

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 03:12:38 2013 No.1458870 File: 696 KB, 1422x1060, The_White_Symphony-Three_Girls_c.1868.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One more of those James Abbott McNeill Whistler sketches.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 03:13:38 2013 No.1458871 File: 876 KB, 2281x1058, The_White_Symphony-Three_Girls_c.1868_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458870

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 03:16:38 2013 No.1458872 File: 335 KB, 645x482, Dale_Holy_Smokes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1458868 >50 GB torrent of paintings Man, that's a bit extravagant. >>1458851 Yeah, that's a nice one from Vinnie. Saved.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 06:35:40 2013 No.1458920 bump

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 09:29:39 2013 No.1458970 >>1458868 Downloading now but no seeds :(

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:48:39 2013 No.1459037 >>1458970 Same, swear hardly any torrents work these days

Anonymous Sun May 26 13:04:10 2013 No.1459045
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ic I come here for help
I really really want to try traditional painting but Im not really sure were to start. should I choose oils or acrilycs? why?
I'm not really good, but Im planning on doing lots of still lifes and edge studies. I don't have A LOT of money thou.. I would still like to give It a try.
what kind of paint should I use? any advice will be greatly appreciated
pros and cons? any recommended painter? tips?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 13:11:40 2013 No.1459049 >>1459045 Unrelated to this thread, try the questions thread or make your own. Derailing someone else's thread is just rude.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 23:26:10 2013 No.1459362 Bumpin' to remember to put some good images a while later.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 02:06:40 2013 No.1459422 File: 670 KB, 798x1058, The_Convalescent_c.1872-1887.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Edgar Degas

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 02:08:10 2013 No.1459423 File: 941 KB, 1926x1057, The_Convalescent_c.1872-1887_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1459422 detail Gorgeous.

Anonymous Mon May 27 08:45:41 2013 No.1459529
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>>1458970
>>1459037

http://btdigg.org/search?info_hash=f5e90dfff4ef0915408d091f985ab62ae7f9f9bd

OK, this is the correct one, the one I'm seeding. (There are 2 torrents of the same set of files out there.)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:13:10 2013 No.1459797 File: 822 KB, 784x1051, The_Thames_in_Ice_1860.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whistler

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:14:10 2013 No.1459799 File: 975 KB, 1884x1058, The_Thames_in_Ice_1860_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1459797 detail

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:24:41 2013 No.1459804 >>1457586 Probably one of my favorite pieces.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:40:12 2013 No.1459815 File: 972 KB, 2016x944, Frans_Hals_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1459804 You're in luck, as after some deeper searching I found a high definition version.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:45:42 2013 No.1459818 File: 875 KB, 1709x1093, Frans_Hals_(detail)2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1457586 >>1459815 Another detail

Anonymous Mon May 27 17:46:42 2013 No.1459819

>>1457259
As a practitioner of both mediums I agree with you. Although I do believe both theory and practice are very important things to understand. Personally I've found the more I practice and study in the physical medium and theory, the better my digital work becomes. Even in terms of painting.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:54:43 2013 No.1459822 These are great. Thanks for posting them.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:19:42 2013 No.1459944 >>1459815 >>1459818 Holy fuck. Thanks, anon. Looks amazing.

Anonymous Tue May 28 03:00:15 2013 No.1460139
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>>1459822
>>1459944
No problem, guys. I love this stuff.

Here's a study by a contemporary painter named Judith Geher. I don't really know anything about her, nor do I have any super close ups, but you can pretty much see the strokes anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:06:15 2013 No.1460142 File: 164 KB, 697x703, Jason_Shawn _Alexander-undertow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another contemporary painter - Jason Shawn Alexander.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:23:46 2013 No.1460536 File: 514 KB, 884x640, Craig_Mullins_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 08:14:28 2013 No.1460879 File: 596 KB, 1097x1597, etoile[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Degas Paint and pastel.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 08:14:28 2013 No.1460880 File: 594 KB, 1600x1000, etoile-Dancer-on-the-Stage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1460879 detail

>>	Anonymous Thu May 30 13:36:48 2013 No.1461787 File: 969 KB, 1298x1060, Gauguin-Entrance_to_the_City_of_Osny-1882-83.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gauguin

>>	Anonymous Thu May 30 13:38:18 2013 No.1461788 >>1460880 seems to change color when you look closely at it

>>	Anonymous Thu May 30 13:38:18 2013 No.1461789 >>1461788 Different photograph for the full one and the closeup.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 30 13:39:48 2013 No.1461790 File: 975 KB, 1512x943, Gauguin-Entrance_to_the_City_of_Osny-1882-83_(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1461787 detail

>>	Anonymous Thu May 30 13:41:17 2013 No.1461792 >>1461790 wow those are almost like pixels and what a dry brush

>>	gratedrawur Thu May 30 13:44:17 2013 No.1461793 >>1459529 oh lawd, thank you torrenting now. Are these nice quality images?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 31 04:43:22 2013 No.1462294 >>1461793 >Are these nice quality images? Most aren't. But I guess you can easily find your new favorite painter in there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 10:20:01 2013 No.1463911 File: 824 KB, 809x1059, Milly_Finch-1833-34_watercolor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Watercolor by Whistler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 10:22:01 2013 No.1463914 File: 967 KB, 2183x1059, Milly_Finch-1833-34_(detail)_watercolor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463911 detail

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 10:40:01 2013 No.1463919 File: 738 KB, 1515x1058, In_the_Luxembourg_Gardens-1879.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's Sunday. This is a nice leisurely scene by John Singer Sargent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 10:42:02 2013 No.1463920 File: 700 KB, 1817x916, In_the_Luxembourg_Gardens-1879-(detail).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463919

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:05:31 2013 No.1463966 >>1463919 hate that guy, he paints so well and all he did with it was the salon, boo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:25:31 2013 No.1463973 >>1463966 What did you want him to paint? Dragons and spaceships?

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:33:01 2013 No.1463978
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>>1463966
"All he did with it" is make gorgeous art that was not quite like that of anyone else. He wed impressionistic flare to academicism in quite a compelling way. He's left one of the greatest legacies of any artist. Everyone doesn't need to be Turner to be artistically valuable. I can get quite a lot out of Sargent that I can't get out of many others.

If you want a rebel or iconoclast, you're looking in the wrong place. If you want poetic beauty and virtuoso craftsmanship, Sargent is a good source. Nevertheless, Sargent's art wasn't without controversy. After all, his Madame X painting caused quite a scandal, even forcing him to take his business to another country. He also carried some pretty risque homo-eroticism into his work.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:40:31 2013 No.1463980
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>>1463973
It's gotta be either that or that poster wants him to have become radically experimental. But that's just not who he was. He wanted to be a society painter, and he not only did that, he became possibly the greatest society painter of all time. When I want someone pushing the envelope, I'll look at a different artist, unless of course I want to see someone simply pushing the envelope of how incredibly skilled, confident, and productive an artist can be.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:52:01 2013 No.1463988

>>1463980
let's face it, most of sargents stuff is kind of boring, subject wise. I mean does he have any masterpieces, like a carefully orchestrated composition? Personally I love sargent, I think he could paint a pinecone and make it look fascinating. But I understand where previousanon was coming from. And I think a dragon envisioned through sargent would look fairly dapper, imo.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:04:32 2013 No.1463993
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>>1463988
>I mean does he have any masterpieces, like a carefully orchestrated composition?

Are you kidding? I mean, if you don't know, then why are you disparaging the man?

Pic related is a widely celebrated masterpiece, subject of mountains of critical analysis.

I could sit all day and post incredible pieces by the man and not run the risk of running out.

I mean, if you want dragons and gladiators and such, that's your business, but that's not quite everyone's cup of tea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:06:02 2013 No.1463996 >>1463993 In its natural habitat. It's quite large.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:07:01 2013 No.1463997 File: 91 KB, 640x480, 2023_MFA385520.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463993 In its natural habitat. It's quite large.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:12:31 2013 No.1463999 File: 57 KB, 940x550, GassedBig[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463988 arguably it's this thing, but he said himself that he considered mme. x to be his best

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:14:31 2013 No.1464001 File: 273 KB, 1155x979, Street in Venice 1882.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463988 A few which I'd say are masterpieces:

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:16:01 2013 No.1464003 File: 593 KB, 700x1398, John-Singer-Sargent-Madame_X.jpg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463999 Did he? It surely is a masterpiece. Stunning in person as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:19:01 2013 No.1464004 File: 640 KB, 700x1027, Sargent.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464001

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:19:01 2013 No.1464005
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>>1463988
>I mean does he have any masterpieces, like a carefully orchestrated composition?

Wait, what about these do you think is not carefully orchestrated?:
>>1457236
>>1463919

>Personally I love sargent

b-but it doesn't seem like it. Shouldn't you at least look at his work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:20:01 2013 No.1464006 File: 138 KB, 1138x900, Venetian Interior 1880-1882.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464004

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:21:32 2013 No.1464008 File: 313 KB, 1142x908, Sargent_John_Singer_Venetian_Wineshop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I will also post a handful of Sargent pieces.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:22:02 2013 No.1464009 File: 116 KB, 793x1132, Sargent_John_Singer_Spanish_Dancer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A study for this previously posted piece: >>1464005

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:23:01 2013 No.1464010 File: 69 KB, 384x441, 3853860657_63eb510778.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another study for this piece: >>1464005

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:25:31 2013 No.1464011 >>1463993 don't assume identities on an anonymous forum, it's really pretty rude. I'm not salon (>>1463966) guy, I was just saying I see where he's coming from. Lots of Sargents stuff is just sort of ordinary-observational stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:25:31 2013 No.1464012 File: 128 KB, 898x590, Sketch_After_El_Jaleo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another study for this: >>1464005

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:31:01 2013 No.1464013
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>>1463993
I'm not confusing you. You made the odd comment about composition and you were affirmative in your estimation of the value of a Sargent dragon.

I don't see his work as ordinary observational stuff at all. I find it culturally rich, poetic, and imbued with a special character. I mean, it's hard for me to know what you like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:34:31 2013 No.1464015 File: 357 KB, 1600x1034, 6yWpnbp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No Sargent dragon. Maybe crocodiles will do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:35:01 2013 No.1464016 File: 181 KB, 1209x944, 4baf88ea13ef8d79a1c6cb52957293ca.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:36:01 2013 No.1464017 File: 294 KB, 502x1000, Sargent_Miss_Ellen_Terry_as_Lady_Macbeth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:38:02 2013 No.1464019 File: 372 KB, 1288x1019, sargent_john_singer_reconnoitering-761e0d0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:39:02 2013 No.1464022 File: 486 KB, 900x915, JohnSingerSargent_Atlasandthe_Hesperides_BostonMOFA_1922_1925Large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:41:01 2013 No.1464025
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I was being fastidious by agreeing that a Sargent dragon would look dapper. Who even uses the word 'dapper' anymore? But it's the internet, and people like to take something and run with it, that's fine. I'm just poking at your favorite artist, that's all. God forbid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:43:32 2013 No.1464028 >>1464025 facetious* fuckin autocorrect

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:09:02 2013 No.1464045 File: 101 KB, 428x497, sargent_450_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464025 He's not my favorite artist. If you do want monsters and mythic drama, you can get it from his many murals.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:10:02 2013 No.1464047 File: 75 KB, 415x500, 975169482_535e91e040.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464046

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:10:32 2013 No.1464046 File: 75 KB, 432x469, sargent_450 copy 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464045

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:12:32 2013 No.1464049 File: 30 KB, 500x373, 701117530_0940c177dc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464047

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:13:01 2013 No.1464051 File: 781 KB, 1000x660, a0100212_4970864060e06.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464050

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:13:31 2013 No.1464050 File: 1.27 MB, 1000x747, BPL-Sargent.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464049

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:15:31 2013 No.1464052 File: 95 KB, 1130x825, 3_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464051

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:16:01 2013 No.1464055 File: 92 KB, 450x518, sargent_450 copy 5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464053 Eh, OK, that's enough of that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:16:31 2013 No.1464053 File: 107 KB, 417x535, sargent_450.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:18:32 2013 No.1464058 File: 42 KB, 538x300, Hell.jpg~original.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eh, after the dragon thing, may as well add this monster at the gates of hell, piling souls into its mouth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:24:31 2013 No.1464062 >>1464058 Haha, well this is what I meant. It's interesting to see more imaginative pieces of his although they clearly aren't up to his other works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:46:31 2013 No.1464080 >>1464019 What was this painted with?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:53:02 2013 No.1464095 >>1464080 What media? Oil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:00:32 2013 No.1464096 File: 710 KB, 2095x772, Gassed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1463999 That's missing some pieces.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:02:32 2013 No.1464097 >>1464096 Notice the soccer game (or baseball?) going on in the distance

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:29:02 2013 No.1464174 >>1464097 Um...maybe. I'm not really sure that's actually happening.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:55:32 2013 No.1464195 >>1464097 I thought you were joking but yeah you can actually see them playing football back there. Nice detail.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:11:21 2013 No.1465916 bomp

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:19:21 2013 No.1465918 >>1464003 i'd do her

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:24:51 2013 No.1465919 File: 207 KB, 828x464, details.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1464097 definitely futbol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:05:51 2013 No.1465931 >>1464174 I am

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 7 14:54:12 2013 No.1467623 bop

Anonymous Fri Jun 7 16:34:11 2013 No.1467736
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A little Stuart Davis sketch. Always impressed by people who'll go out in a busy place, at night even, and make a color oil sketch of the action.

It's great how he pops the dominant figure out by making it a dark form on top of all that light.

There's not a detail shot for this one, but the image is big and clear and you can see the speedy brushwork.

Anonymous Fri Jun 7 16:47:41 2013 No.1467748
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George Bellows

The guy's a wizard of painting. Great, great economy.

You may know him from his boxing paintings. Obviously a big influence on the contemporary painter Phil Hale.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 00:13:52 2013 No.1469229 Bump of freedom

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 20:36:07 2013 No.1470459 File: 238 KB, 1024x849, george+bellows+the+big+dory.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] S'more George Bellows for my /ic/ chums.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:13:07 2013 No.1470466 File: 180 KB, 1299x719, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:15:07 2013 No.1470467 please archive

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 22:57:38 2013 No.1470495 >>1458355 >>1458351 Is it wrong that I prefere the rough sketch much more?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 23:05:13 2013 No.1470984 Bump against summer plague.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 23:39:43 2013 No.1471004 File: 434 KB, 1024x768, Fintan Switzer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] brush economy... an interesting term i'm surprised i've not really come across before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:01:18 2013 No.1472053 File: 143 KB, 825x1056, Anders_Zorn_-_Hins_Anders_(1904).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1471004 It's really a cool thing to study, I love how Zorn handled hands they're so simple and yet they read clearly as hands

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:02:48 2013 No.1472056 >>1471004 do you even paint

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:03:48 2013 No.1472059 >>1472053 It's called suggestion, check out some Goya and have your mind blown

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:05:18 2013 No.1472064 File: 336 KB, 1600x947, Francisco de Goya Dos viejos comiendo Two Old People Eating.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1472059 pic related

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:06:17 2013 No.1472068 File: 224 KB, 714x1600, P00759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1472064

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:07:47 2013 No.1472071 >>1472053 >simple see >>1472056

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:07:47 2013 No.1472072 File: 212 KB, 1000x1736, saturn_1000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1472068

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:09:47 2013 No.1472076 File: 38 KB, 600x1198, Goya_women_man.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1472072 >>1472071 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 11:11:17 2013 No.1472077 File: 652 KB, 2100x634, Goya_y_Lucientes_Francisco_de-Black_Paintings_Witches_Sabbath_The_Great_He-Goat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1472076

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:34:19 2013 No.1472556
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>>1472056
yes, i do in fact paint an awful lot and am reasonably successful. i was merely stating it's not a phrase i've come in contact with, but i've always understood great brushwork and the power of suggestion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 01:52:32 2013 No.1473215 needs a bumpin'

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 05:23:32 2013 No.1473303 File: 285 KB, 890x1024, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can't have Sargent without some Velazquez in the mix.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 09:11:09 2013 No.1474952 File: 448 KB, 1697x1873, Velazquez_Sibyl_Meadows_Museum.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1473303 velazquez must've been a wonderful person to meet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 09:54:49 2013 No.1474977 this is one sexy motherfucking thread can I ask if these sketches like: >>1458871 >>1458870 are done as under painting, or on a different canvas?

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 10:02:18 2013 No.1474982

>>1474977
That's a finished work. It's just a relatively fast painting. Some of the other things itt are sketches for more polished paintings:
>>1458351

I don't think any of the sketchy things itt were intended to be underpaintings for more solid paintings. They're either free-standing pieces or studies for more polished works painted on new supports.

Often underpaintings CAN begin like these, especially with alla prima (wet-on-wet) painting, which starts loose and general, then goes in and works it to get it more precise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 10:09:18 2013 No.1474987 >>1474982 ah, thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 10:11:48 2013 No.1474989 >>1470467 its on the archive voting site

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 10:27:19 2013 No.1474996 >>1474982 even if its an underpainting its still a great display of brush economy, calm down

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 12:13:02 2013 No.1475046

>>1474996
I think you're having a reading comprehension issue. Firstly, it's really not an underpainting, as I already said. It's a stand-alone piece. I know it's a good example of brush economy because I posted it.

Not sure why you think answering a question for someone is something negative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 12:27:03 2013 No.1475054 >>1475046 wsant talking about the whistler, i thought the delcroix was the early stages of the work, not an oil sketch

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 13:33:01 2013 No.1475095

>>1475054
No, the Delacroix is a study. That's why I called it a sketch for a more polished painting. What exactly was your issue with this? It's not an underpainting, and how could it be? How would we have a high definition color photo of the underpainting of a painting from 1854?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 13:37:31 2013 No.1475099 >>1475095 >art work has never been left unfinished I don't have a problem at all really, I just thought oyu guys were bickering over silly semantics when in reality goods brush economy is good brush economy regardless of the medium/stage in the work

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 13:44:01 2013 No.1475110 >>1475099 I posted the final painting along with it. Someone asked a question that I was perfectly happy to answer. You imagined the bickering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:33:31 2013 No.1475277 File: 142 KB, 704x568, 2006AN8460_jpg_l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:34:01 2013 No.1475280 File: 54 KB, 800x420, 82824_427052.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 21:01:34 2013 No.1476406 badump

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 21:02:04 2013 No.1476408 File: 279 KB, 316x400, richard schmid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1476406 im not sure how economic Richard Schmid is, but I like his strokes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 21:19:33 2013 No.1476418 >>1476408 Oh, there's some economy on display there for sure. Kinda small though...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 21:31:04 2013 No.1476426 File: 55 KB, 487x600, nicolai ivanovich.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1476418 yeah I havent been able to find some highquality images of his works :/ ivanovich

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 21:51:34 2013 No.1476437 File: 602 KB, 1500x701, Richard Schmid - Alla Prima-51.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1476408 Schmid got beautiful brush economy, especially in his quick landscape sketches.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 21:59:04 2013 No.1476442 >>1476426 TOO BAD HE PAINTS GIRLS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE DOWN SYNDROM.. OR THESE WOULD BE KIND OF NICE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 22:01:34 2013 No.1476443 >>1476442 MAYBE THATS WHAT HE INTENDED BECAUSE AUTISM IS SEXY AS FUCK

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 22:04:35 2013 No.1476450 File: 80 KB, 547x720, Nikolay_Fechin_painting_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1476443 also, i meant Fechin, not ivanovich, herpaderp

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 22:23:04 2013 No.1476465 >>1476442 they look nothing like downs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 22:30:04 2013 No.1476469 >>1476465 they do sort of have large, wide-spaced eyes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 22:46:05 2013 No.1476484 Anyone else think Jenny saville is a god in regar to brush economy? It's chaotic but also very subtle. How would one achieve her style? Work in layers and let parts dry first?

Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:07:04 2013 No.1476528

>>1458425

Looking at this painting for the hundredth time, i thought it was nothing. I looked at the strokes again, noticing that every single line took some thought. in some form, there was thought. That's a lot of thought, I thought. Then looking closer, for the first time i looked at the eyes. I saw pain, I saw rage, hatred. for the first time looking at this painting, i cried. I cried looking at this painting, because i saw myself.

Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:23:04 2013 No.1476539
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>>1476484
I don't know how she does it, other than it's brilliant up close. Mishmash of hues, gashes and slashes and splatters of paint that make something completely coherent. They're very big paintings, I can tell you that much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:26:04 2013 No.1476542 >>1476539 im guessing some basic tones at the first layer, then she hash out the detail. I dunno either htough

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:26:34 2013 No.1476541 File: 1.61 MB, 1024x1364, Jenny_Saville.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1476484 Maybe you can do some analysis of this one, as it's not as polished.

Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:34:34 2013 No.1476549
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>>1476539
i saw one down at the mona, it was pretty big, i'll show you which one just a sec..it's this one, and that's actually where i saw it lol, you get an idea of the size because of the curtain thing. it's very startling, the strokes actually remind me of like a way less ordered lucien freud and there isn't actually all that much impasto on her stuff, so she really must smoosh it on there, and it doesn't look like she uses any medium or anything, very clever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:35:05 2013 No.1476550 >>1476549 it's actually like a super refined chumbum park lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:42:34 2013 No.1476557 >>1476408 damn, this one's sick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:43:04 2013 No.1476562 >>1476549 >just a sec..it's this one wot

>>	mrkitty !!T2UdrWkLSWB Thu Jun 20 00:46:04 2013 No.1476564 >>1463988 Look up his Triumph of religion paintings in the Boston public library. Not exactly dragons, but mythology and allegorry noneytheless, coupled with his virtuoso painting style.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 00:47:34 2013 No.1476566 >>1476562 that feel when talking dialogue on 4chan

>>	mrkitty !!T2UdrWkLSWB Thu Jun 20 00:56:35 2013 No.1476569 File: 252 KB, 1170x1080, large-interior-w11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1476562 >tfw its buck angel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 02:05:35 2013 No.1476600 >>1476539 wow she's the godess of ugly I never seen someone capture ugly this well

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:38:22 2013 No.1478458 ...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:23:51 2013 No.1478486 >>1478458 we should get this thread archived

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:42:51 2013 No.1478502 >>1478486 Know its good but not that good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:47:52 2013 No.1478506 >>1478502 how about a rar for the sticky?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:48:51 2013 No.1478508 >>1478486 >>1478502 all threads are archived

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:07:21 2013 No.1478560 >>1478508 NSA please go

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:56:52 2013 No.1478703 Needs a bumpin'

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:59:52 2013 No.1478707 >>1478560 http://fuuka.warosu.org/ic/thread/1457236#p1478560

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:19:38 2013 No.1480689 Live another day

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 02:03:10 2013 No.1480913
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Holy crap look at this Delacroix study from 1822. It's like a step away from abstract expressionism. He was gettin' all Turner and such.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 02:19:09 2013 No.1480922 >>1480913 ok very interesting. But wtf am I looking at ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 02:33:39 2013 No.1480935 >>1480922 Sex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 02:35:09 2013 No.1480937 >>1480913 pretty much impossible to read without color

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 02:44:39 2013 No.1480940 File: 194 KB, 596x720, the-summer-diana-surprised-by-actaeon-1863(1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1480913 >>1480922 >>1480937 "The Summer Diana Surprised at her Bath by Actaeon" This is what that was for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 27 02:37:54 2013 No.1482547 ...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 27 05:16:54 2013 No.1482623 >>1457295 >>1458239 not really insane, just well placed stylization of standard brush work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 27 10:08:56 2013 No.1482707 File: 405 KB, 1338x898, Screenshot - 06272013 - 11:01:52 AM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/the-starry-night/bgEuwDxel93-Pg

Anonymous Thu Jun 27 12:08:56 2013 No.1482785

>>1457367
I haven't painted oil in a while, mainly acrylic but your "take a break" advice is very sound.

I also find it important to physically step back from the painting every few minutes as well. I work larger paintings, usually at least 24" x 36" and when doing the final detail work I find it helps to get my stupid face more than a foot away from the canvas so I can view it like a normal person would see it hanging on the wall.

Those detail marks that look "rad" when I'm right there at the canvas may not look the same from ten-15 feet out.

I also make a point to change up my light source (in my studio, not in my actual painting) maybe every day, as overhead light may look different than side or bottom sourced light as it hits the canvas. This is good to check my strokes as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 27 16:44:27 2013 No.1483030 hey guys what is the best place to find references of paintings done by the old masters?

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