/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7262374
If I fail I'll know I tried if I quit, I'll know I'm a pussy

I may never match any of the masters in any capacity, but at least I know I'm in dialogue with them by pursuing the craft. Culture and the people that engage with it feel much richer thanks to it. The craft moves me as well as the people around me; it carves a place for me in the world and lets me leave my mark—what greater feeling is there than this? No sensation of self doubt or pettiness could make me put the pen down at this point.

>>7262374
It's fun. Now begone, sharter.

Your right I should kms

>>7262374
I don't really see where getting much better would take me after a certain point. I have a goal and I want to accomplish it, I'm almost there. Once I do what I've set out to do, I'm just gonna keep doing it because I love to do it. Any advancements I make from that point on are optional bonuses. I'm nearly 100% satisfied with my capabilities and inner joy with my output is the true final state of perfection.

>>7262395
I wish this sentiment was still as sustaining for me as it was a year ago.
>>7262430
How do you not just feel crushing shame, followed by burning envy and hatred? I wish I could see great work and feel the way you do. It just makes me feel even lonelier.
>>7262447
I'm trying to get back to this. What's your goal, are you making a comic or something?

>>7262374
>perma/int/s
you hit that sweet spot when you're not good enough to get an art job, but good enough to have fun with the pencil

>>7262455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewHVHPGS_LU

The real answer Is sunk cost fallacy, everything else is cope

>>7262460
I think I'm ready to try again. Thanks

>>7262455
Looking to tell a certain story visually. I'm mainly bogged down in the logistics of the actual delivery right now. Comics with a twist. Other than that, I'm basically where I want to be with drawing. It's painting and style consistency that's giving me trouble. How I operate with my color choices and contrast. Every decision must be consciously made. It's a lot of cerebral stuff. But I'll get there.

Can I call myself a perma beg? I've practice about a total of 100 hours over the past 4 years. I probably draw like once every 3 weeks for 15 minutes but I also think about drawing 24/7.

>>7262518
You can only call yourself a permabeg when you draw more than an hour daily for more than a year and have no quantifiable improvement.

I was hoping for a permabeg thread. I only feel at home in those.

>>7262534
I've drawn for 2-4 hours daily for 4 years with little to show for it. I do studies and I apply what I learn to imaginative work. I have no idea why I can't get past low int.

Idk what I am but I haven't improved in a long time

i like what i do. for a really long time, i made no active to progress because i didn't care. as long as i could get something i wanted on paper, i was happy. skill doesn't really matter to me as much. so i never actively tried to improve, because being better than other people of having technical skills was meaningless.
i only ever got the desire to study because i hit a wall and finally couldn't draw something i wanted to draw. it wasn't about skill, but about complete inability.

Nothing. I just can't draw a reference or draw something from my head. I fucking hate that shit, I can't master the basics, fucking basics, I don't know what to do.

>>7262374
AI will never surpass an idea, it can only steal it, go to hell

Would you believe that it's from standing on my head and beating my nutsack with a spatula and playing the kazoo?
....neither would I.

:D

>>7262374
Debbie downer retard, unironically ngmi with that attitude and lack of imagination

Nothing, too much shit going on rn and I'm a quitter anyways.

>>7262844
>2-4 hours a day for 4 years with little to show for it
Did you actually draw tho? Or did you think "I"m gonna draw", end up looking for refs for an hour, goon and fap then do something else. Don't mean to be a dick just genuinely curious.
>>7262786
hey racoon, iirc you don't take crit and won't listen or apply feedback. still like your stuff tho.

>>7262374
I'm just here to fuck with people.
I have accomplished that.
All the people that I've fuck'ed over have ignored my artwork.
I wonder why.
I have been praised by and pledged by professionals so I don't know.

>>7263100
I've used a physical timer for a while. Stopped it for anything that wasn't drawing or evaluating the next lines. When I got up, fuck around with music or look for a reference it got stopped.

>>7262374
You can either spend your life trying for your dreams, or give up and be miserable with that pain in your gut of never knowing what it could have been like. Just draw man, the alternative is a wasted life

Some folk just don't know when to give up and unironic shitpost their pre/beg/ work trying to recapture the dopamine they feel when people reply to them. What a sad and lonely life to live if you ask me.

>>7262374
Gots to see it through my boy. If I don't get significant in the next 10 years at least I'll be good when I'm 70

>>7263404
significant gains*

>>7262374
>What's the point of doing what you do if the ceiling is ignored mediocrity?
The journey of a thousand miles is its own reward, anon. The fact I will one day draw cute anime girls is a bonus, as far as I care.

>>7262374
You're cutting to the quick. I often wonder why I continue to draw if nothing works out for me. I spent a lot of time on this, wanting to get good emotions, to prove to myself that I am capable of making something beautiful with my own hands. But drawing in most cases only brings disappointment, pain and self-deprecation. When I fail, I blame myself for being such a useless creature. how to get out of this state?

>>7262374
Multiple reasons
1 Because the pros with all their fundies and talent, fail at giving me the exact kind of entertainment I seek. If they could, I won't feel hatred or envy but joy, I really want them to succeed but they won't. Ironically the last form of content that more or less scratched that itch had subpart art.
2 In porn, a lot of crappy artists get me going while capable ones don't make me feel a thing. So I suppose skill is not the core of everything.
In case internet censorship gets worse, I need to secure my fetishes, AI seems easy to censor and control. I'm assuming they can't control what I do with a pencil and a piece of paper.
3 It's fun when doing challenges, daily drawings or other stupid shit.
4 I don't care about social media, I want to let something behind even if nobody gives a shit. I need to try for once until the bitter end.

>>7262374
The small gains that you get every now and then.
It keeps me going, and alive. It gives me something to strive for and healthy doses of dopamine, now that I realized video games are a waste of life. Thanks to starting early I'm got good enough to get my share of SM attention, and all that artist shit. Regretfully I didn't put enough time into it when I should have, so I'll never beat the current kid artists. Buut, I got my piece of the pie and I can always crab them to cull some of them if they're dumb enough to come here or ask for advice. A pretty fulfilling hobby, to be honest.
I can't imagine how bad a permabeg has it though... pouring so many hours and not getting even half decent results it must be excruciating. I would give up for sure.

>>7263100
Sorry not sorry I didn’t KMS like you assholes told me to.

>>7263394
>>7263395
>>7263432
>>7263503
LOL my retarded nephew draws better then u and hes retarded

because i like drawing.

>>7263740
>He doesn't know

>>7262374
>were able to soak up fundamentals very early with ease and are literate beyond what would be appropriate for their age
the bait was good until this part. You tried too hard and lost the flow.

>>7263777
If you're here you must hate drawing just like everyone else

>>7262374
Serious question permabegs why don't you improve? Is it a question of methodology or desire? Do you not know how or do you simply not want to?

>>7263893
It's 80% of not knowing how to and 20% of not being responsible with my time.

>>7263898
How do you not know how, do you absolutely zero critical eye?

>>7263893
It hurts to sit.

>>7263908
huh?

>>7263893
I do improve. You assholes just like to meme.

>>7263946
Don't skimp on the lube!
>>7263898
It's a shame that there's millions of resources out there that should make it easier to get better now more than ever before but capitalism has made it impossible to devote ourselves to our hobbies. Still, you must believe a balance can be struck
>>7263958
I applaud your change then

>>7263967
>It's a shame that there's millions of resources out there that should make it easier to get better now more than ever before but capitalism has made it impossible to devote ourselves to our hobbies. Still, you must believe a balance can be struck
I know there's sources. I just don't know where to start.

>>7263972
You start with what you already know

>>7263975
Why even reply if you're just going to meme?

>>7263983
NIGGA DON'T GIVE ME NONE OF YOUR LIP

>>7263983
Meme? Alright anon

>>7263983
You don't need to be so distrusting. Not everyone wants to hurt you

>>7263972
>>7263975
How does it feel like to be retarded, howie?

>>7263967
>I applaud your change then
Fuck you, nigger.

>>7263875

>>7262374
Is 18 too old to start? Most artists who are actually good started when they were even younger and I didn't even draw at all as a kid.

I wanna make cute pictures of my waifus and make a visual novel on my own without those leeches you call "collaborative partners."

Plus I suck so much shit at drawing that every day I see some improvements somewhere

>>7262374
It’s fun

>>7263908
For me its just low capacity to learn, I had to spend a year drawing boxes just to learn perspective because nothing comes intuitively to me and still get it wrong when I try to apply it to anything else.

>>7264963
I drew another cursed Ranma to linger on the /beg/ archives

what makes you think I wanna be famous
I make art because it is literally paranormal

>>7264963
This is the motivation I needed to draw.

Thank you anon for changing my mindset

>>7264963
Same. I just want to make comics for fun. I don't need to be the best or a professional.

>>7265582
>>7265598
>>7264075
I like these

I cope with the delusion that maybe one day if I draw enough I’ll become /int/

>>7262374
What keeps you paying your taxes even though you don't want to do it? It's a necessity.
If I eventually succeed then cool. If not, oh well. This is just my penance then. But either way I have to keep going. It's not optional.

>>7262458
I see what you did there

>>7265670
I don't!!! I hate them!!!

>>7264512
man, i started like 3 years ago and I'm 36. Just draw anon

>>7265473
same, art is that mystic thing where you can make real something that was only living in your thoughts, that's why conceptual art is so important, it's the first connection between an idea and the final media

>>7265486
Remember, only (You) can make the stuff (You) like. When push comes to shove you gotta do what you love, even if it's not a good idea!

I love Spider-Man 2099. I want to lay on his big muscular bumpy chest.
What good is art after the 90's when people don’t even draw his brow lines anymore? We need Loomis to return.

>>7264963
Bait used to be believable. Try better next time

>>7262374
imagine not enjoying a hobby because people are better / have mastery / are more successful than you

The realization that AI tech was definitely kept hidden until now only for the rich and powerful. So yeah they are all just using AI to fake being good it's kind of obvious in hindsight actually.

>>7265839
well you see my nigga, do not pass go. do not collect $200

i've been drawing for 10 years and i've only recently moved into the mid ints. i'm not bothered by it and i'm not in any hurry to get to adv or whatever or have my stuff seen by other people. i just like to draw my characters in cool scenes. i've only recently learned how to draw backgrounds and full scenes though. that might have been why it took me so long to get to int
>picrel
some of my stuff from 2014 or 2015 cant remember. wanted to share these two drawings with my post because they're still pretty cute. i wish i still drew like this sometimes

>>7262374
I would never let a teenaged girl do that to me. Unless she asked.

>>7266322
What do you draw like now, show plz

30% of my time is sketching
20% is doing the lineart
and the remaining 50% of the time is spent fixing errors, redrawing things, ctrl Z and changing one bang or one eye, wanting to kill myself, trying to make it less shit, etc. Sometimes I spend 75% of my time drawing just fixing a shitty drawing and trying to save it from death.

>>7266322
Aww, these are cute. Please post your new stuff.

>>7262433
*you're

>>7262374
I know I'm a failure. I'm just waiting for my father to die so I can kill myself. I don't want to hurt him.

>>7266746
>>7267173
left is something i'm working on at the moment (still need to finish the lineart but i think it's the best representation of my current skill level) and right is my attempt to redraw the first picture in >>7266322
my current stuff is actually a lot closer to my older stuff than it was a year or so ago. though it feels pretty stiff even compared to my decade old stuff

Now draw this good.

>>7267658
This is easier to draw than you think

>>7263875
It's not a bit after 8 years, he is just bad and will die bad.

am i permabeg

>>7267711
He doesn’t know, either.

>>7267728

Some day lines will be straight

>>7267728

>>7262374
Everyone in 4chan is very nice (aside from here) and it gives (you)s and positive comments to drawfags no matter the skill level

>>7264963
Simple, but actually, maybe I'll draw with this in mind. Just making art of my waifus.
>the leeches you call "collaborative partner"
They're actually the best thing ever if you find someone who synergizes with you. You'll tell funnier jokes and your emotional moments will hit harder if you have the support a really good partner will give you. There's a reason professionals are practically married at the hip to their editors.

>>7268532
>>7268549
I think I know you, are you the Velvet Crowe(not to be confused with Russel Crowe) waifufag? Good for you for taking matters into your own hands.

drawing is fun

>>7269093
uh

is the int -> master barrier insurmountable for most?

I don't think I know how shading works

I feel like I've hit some sort of plateau. I can see the issues with my art, but I don't know what to do from there. Watching Youtube videos talking about improving this or that are great and all, but what's the point when none of it is sticking? Nothing is really sinking in and I don't know why.

>>7268549
Based Velvet but Luke is the real waifu

>>7270382
Nope still don't know how shading works

>>7270524
Luke was ok he's just some guy with a cast of party members who blame him for something he was only at most an accessory to

I may never be able to be truly great, but I will be able to shitpost

>>7262374
One time my mom bought some old desk from an estate sale and inside was a little farmers notebook, I guess they'd give them out when they bought seed or fertilizer. Anyway the notebook was filled with a bunch of poems written back and forth between a young man and woman, like they'd pass the notebook to each other when they got the chance. None of them were particularly great, but either way that tiny notebook of no particular significance became a time capsule for the infatuation of these two people. When I die I'll leave notebooks. They won't last forever and they probably won't have anything particularly good, but if someone finds them it might give them a little something, and that's alright with me.

>>7262374
I'm an addict and I've got so much stupid/weird autistic ideas I just do it for the sake of it at this point

>>7263875
>>7267728

>>7262374
just revel in the pain. it's that easy. enjoy suffering. that's how i learnt other things despite 0 motivation and passion.

Drawing is one of those things I feel like I have to do or I'll kill myself. Seeing other permabegs sink into depression makes me stronger because I know my spirit is stronger than theirs. As for AI, I see it as naturally evil and I know so because it's used almost exclusively by indians and the chinese. But overall I don't really care about it, it simply doesn't affect me emotionally.

>>7276076
aw damn cris

Basically, it is impossible for me to get a cute girlfriend so drawing cute girls is how I can cope with these feelings.

>>7262374
It makes me happy

>>7262999
Your art is gorgeous

I like translating thoughts and ideas into something visual, even if it is bad

Slowly but surely I am improving and my Ranma pictures are looking less and less hideous

>>7276649
I also know how shading works now, layer and opacity shenanigans + using a lighter or darker tone of the same color. Also something something figuring out where the shadows on a light source would be cast

>>7267658
I've seen this webm posted before. Is it supposed to be some kind of demoralization?

>>7276835
Uh, no? What makes you think that? It’s supposed to be inspiring with how the art style looks especially traditional.

>>7262374
i like drawing even if i am shit. I have filled countless sketchbooks with nothing but trash with no improvements at all
https://youtu.be/lTHCwU9rUdY

>>7265369
I feel like I'm going to be stuck here for a while, too.