/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

you don't need to know japanese and you don't need to be able to draw good

>>7197103
>how hard is it
extremely. if you try, you will in all likelihood fail.

>>7197103
>To learn Japanese to survive in Japan
Easy if you're not a lazy shit
>To learn Japanese well enough to write well enough that you don't sound like an Indian
Very difficult
>Become a mangaka
Already very difficult, you have to learn to both draw well and write well
>Become serialised
Extremely difficult, it's both a very competitive market and the Japanese don't like foreigners

>>7197107
How about becoming a professional animator? I see teenagers on Twitter doing that. Their Japanese can't be that good, right? Then all I would have to focus on was drawing well, animating well, and knowing some Japanese?

>>7197103
you don't even have the perseverance to grind fundies and git gud now, what makes you think you have what it takes to endure gruelling overworking culture in their industry?

>>7197115
They have armies of generic animators from bordering regions in Korea and China. All working like mules in a sweatshop, wagecucks. Why would they hire daydreaming special snowflake from all the way wherever you're from? Who the fuck do you think you are?

The fucking saddest irony is, even some 10 year old autists are already making money off their Youtube or Fiverr career doing autistic Roblox/Minecraft shit, fucking brainrot shit like Skibidi. So why not be that autistic 20, heck 30-40 year old autist, pandering and catering for these kids closer to home instead? Go make your own series of autistic FNAF/Roblox/Minecraft/SCP/Brony/Gacha/Skibidi shit and rake in all that support from 10 year old toddlers, there's bound to be 'whales' using their mom's credit card to pay you big money to produce custom shit for them.

>>7197103
Why would you ever want to do that?

>>7197103
How many baka gaijins do you think currently have or have had an ongoing serialization in a prominent manga magazine in the past 20 years?
I've heard some Koreans and Chinese have managed but I'm assuming you're white or brown so forget about it

>>7197103
Took me 2 weeks to remember the hiragana, there's Kanji and katakana. It's one of the hardest languages.

>>7197172
I've already been studying Japanese for a year and can read most novels, visual novels, and understand most of youtube, and most animes. I'm going to start hiring an italki tutor soon and will have them correct the serifu on my nemu.

I feel like a mangaka career is only 1-2 years away from me at this point, but maybe I'm being delusional. Maybe the "intermediate plateau" is a lot more severe than I think

>>7197106
this
if you aren't ballsy enough to power through after hearing that then you're ngmi

>>7197103
Nigga if you want to make a manga and get serialized just make a Twitter account and post your shit if it's good people will flock to it and you will get offers from publisher

>>7197103
It's possible but incredibly hard. A guy from Spain works in Japanese manga to this day.

What's much harder than learning japanese is learning good enough taste in art to not be a weeb idolizing japanese art to a weird degree like you are.

>>7197225
>It's possible but incredibly hard.
Are you actually sure about that? Maybe it's the same difficulty as any other writing career, given you already know the language. Screenwriters don't usually break into hollywood until their 30's or 40's. Lots of professional, published novelists never seem to make a living solely from writing. their royalties just don't bring in enough.

Manga, on the otherhand, seems way different. Given that you know the language, and can draw, it seems like even very mediocre stories sell well. Lots of mangaka in Japan give the following advice: forget about learning to write. Just learn to draw. Because if you can draw well, you can just work with your editor and they'll make your drawings into a good story. idk

>>7197103
you can learn their language, but without living there, you will never learn their culture. you'd have to relearn societal norms to have your manga fit in, learn their language, learn to draw better than average, be able to write something that either isn't complete trash or is at least competent in maintaining a healthy fanbase, and even then you'd have to compete with stuff like JJK, Boruto, etc.
let me make it easy for you, how many japanese natives who know the language, the culture, how to write, how to draw, and have the same stupid dream as you, do you think there are out there right now applying to be in that magazine?
want me to make it even easier? it's never gonna happen for you. not this way.
the only way i can see your manga making it is if you are a great artist or know one, great storyteller or know one, and even then, you'd have to get lucky enough to be found by the internet en masse. cuz it ain't gonna happen in your favorite magazine, if you have any chance at all, it will be through posting online.
i would bet you haven't even posted your works online yet out of some dogshit fear that someone will steal your magnum opus out from under you. it's a lie. no one's stealing your shit and you know it. you just know deep down that it's a waste of time to draw all that stuff - not because you can't draw or write - but because you don't WANT to.
what you want is to receive the rewards or being a huge mangaka without putting in the effort first. you need more proof? look at the fact that you're wasting time asking questions that - judging by picrel - you KNOW the answer to. you just don't want to accept it. even when this is all said and done, and everyone's told you to stop wasting time and go spend your time on something productive like learning to draw instead, you're STILL not gonna draw your comic. you're STILL gonna sit there dreaming.
here's something people don't tell you about dreaming - eventually, you gotta wake up.

>>7197249
nothing you said applies to me, because unlike 99.999% of people I'm actually serious about manga thank god

>>7197225
That guy doesn't even know the language. He simply has great work ethic from working as an inker for western comics

>>7197254
delusion it is then. sad. enjoy your dreaming though.
if what i said >>7197249 does reach anyone who is actually serious and not a fucking 12 year old (who's just out here daydreaming about all the interviews he'll get or what jrock band will do the anime op for his "guaranteed-success"), do yourself a favor. stop frequenting here (especially with self-pity bullshit) and start putting that effort into drawing and learning to write.
if you think you're good enough, start publishing your work. remember that not every artist starts with a bang. the guy behind MHA wrote stuff before that got rejected and had next to no fanbase, MHA is what blew up for him and like it or hate it, it's massively successful, popular, and put all his works on the map for many who previously didn't know him at all.
same thing happened with the mangaka behind Prison School aka Kangoku Gakuen, but that fucking retard threw it away by rushing a shit ending to move on to other projects, which wound up backfiring when people who were fans turned into people who hate him so passionately for ruining a favorite manga of theirs due to selfish wants, that they refuse to read his new works. Prison School literallly the GoT of the manga world.

>>7197308
>Prison School literallly the GoT of the manga world.
if you stopped thinking with your dick maybe you'd have a better chance of making it

>>7197313
I didn't mean in story quality, I meant in how it failed.
GoT guys intentionally rushed a shit final season as well, despite HBO offering them contracts and cash to fund multiple more seasons, all so they could work on another project (I think it was something big like star wars or marvel), and it backfired massively.
in their case, fans hated GoT final season so much, they lost the contract for the future project and are now hated by an entire fanbase. also GoT is basically dead thanks to them.

>>7197143
You don't know what you're talking about and should have refrained from replying to that other anon.

>>7197200
how many hours a day do you study

>>7197348
I read for 3 hours, then listen for 3 hours, and some Anki and internal monologuing (for when I have no conversation partners available)

>>7197376
you're a NEET?

>>7197395
問題がありますか?

日本語の言葉を覚えているはめっちゃ簡単な活動である。ただし、楽しんでいる場合に限ります

>>7197103
Just pull a Kooleen and pretend to be good. Who cares about details and the correct skin color anyway?

I learned Japanese in a few months. What are you, a baka?!

>>7197433
いえ、ただの問いです。

>>7197103
Impossible. There are no white boy mangaka that you see in Jump or anywhere for that matter in Japan. You will never learn Japanese for starters, but even then, Japan is full of aspiring mangaka, all way better than you, that are not able to get published. Its a competitive and saturated market over there, and that's not even considering the fact that you're not even Japanese, you don't live in Japan so you can't make arrangements with anyone for your work to be published there, and lets face it, your art is probably shit. Its definitely shit compared to pro mangaka, and you will probably sooner kill yourself than release engaging manga with good art weekly or monthly.
You will never do this.

>>7197103

Why would you spill blood to enter an infinitely small market? Do you realize Japanese people aren’t having kids? Very soon Japan will have less and less readers for their content domestically. Oh, you want a world wide appeal? Publish in your own country. Oh, you want animation? If good, it’ll get animation. Or make it yourself. Anything else is just cope.

>>7198551
There are no white boys in Jump because white boys can't jump, remember?

>>7198551
yeah, I'm beginning to feel like it's impossible.

>>7197103
Why do you need your comic to be japanese?

>>7198551
A true westaboo wouldn't use a body pillow

>>7197143
>esl giving advice
think about your own problems before trying to give anyone else advice

>>7198551
>You will never learn Japanese for starters
learning a language is the easiest step. drawing and writing are much harder skills to learn, imo

Very hard, you can do it but you will probably never work for a big magazine, most non japanese mangaka do straight to tankobon short stuff or very short series, its easier becoming an animator thanks to twitter but the pay is shit (it can get better if you have experience but not so much)

>>7197103
Why would anybody here know how to answer any of this? Are you really this fucking retarded LMAO?

>>7197103
A big nosed italian man did it while on that Terrace House show
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppe_(artist)

>>7201426
Being ESL is a badge of honor.
Being not a JSL, but an aspiring JSL is just pathetic.

>>7198551
I don't even get that need to get published by someone in Japan, if your shit is good just post it on Twitter and open a patron. That's a million times more achievable than becoming a fucking mangaka lmao

>>7204302
>just post it on Twitter and open a patron
name a single successful mangaka who's making a living that way. porn doesn't count

>>7197103
just make a webcomic

>>7197433
You're a worm with free time, go fuck yourself scumbag

Not even experience Mangakas are having it good, especially those in Shonen Jump.

>>7197103
What's wrong with starting a webcomic?

>>7205265
You sure? Hiro Mashima once serialized 3 series at once, with free time to play video games and stuff. Naoki Urasawa, Akiko Higashimura, lots of mangaka have serialized several series at once.

>>7204367
Just look at patron and how many artists have a webcomic on their who make a decent chunk of money

>>7197103
If you're a good illustrator with japanese work ethic you could probably make it into one of the smaller serials. There are tons that most people outside of japan don't even know about, which speaks for how limited the popularity of their entries are. Weekly Jump is uniquely competitive because it's the most popular serial by miles and miles.

>>7205265
Weekly shounen jump is literally the most popular magazine in japan. It sells over a million physical copies every week, not even including the millions of readers who read the individual series on their site and app. For reference, something like 60 million comics were shipped to retailers (not even sold) in the US in 2020. Jump by itself sells more than that to actual readers. There are tons of other manga publications that don't have that kind of sales pressure, like Weekly Young Jump, Jump Giga, Dragon Age Monthly, Young Champion, Young Champion Retsu, Comic Ryu, etc.

>>7197103
>How hard is it to learn Japanese
Dunno. Haven't done it.
>and to becoming a professional mangaka,
Easier than you'd think.
>serialized in a weekly or monthly magazine?
Easier than you'd think... or not. Getting serialized, not that hard, there's plenty of publications that will try out anything that seems like it might have potential. There's still SOME kind of standard, but they're probably way lower than you're thinking.
Now getting that serialization and actually KEEPING it is the hard part. Easily the hardest part. Keeping up with a deadline (even a monthly manga's deadline is extremely tight) over months/years without the writing and art falling apart takes a real trooper. And to do that while probably making something that you probably don't actually want to make, because what you actually want to make would undoubtedly sell like complete shit makes it that much worse. And in the meanwhile you can crush all of that but if it just happens to not sell because predicting what an audience responds to is a complete crapshoot so your serial could end just for not selling.
It's probably one of the more stressful jobs out there, even for japanese who don't need to worry about the language/culture thing on top.

t. author currently getting published in an (ero)manga magazine.

>>7197200
持ち込み sooner rather than later. Your japanese is already good enough for an editor to understand your intent and that's sufficient for now. What's more important than mastery of the language is your skill in actually making manga. You could make a completely silent manga if you want, japanese is of secondary importance. Get a professional editor's eyes on your work sooner rather than later.

>>7197212
Not how it works, lmao. You have to actually apply if you want publishers to look at it. Luckily said publishers do actually want you to apply, and will look at it even if it sucks.

>>7197249
Your manga doesn't need to fit in, actually. In fact it's beneficial for your work to stand out, and many many japanese authors try their very best to do just that. Arguably the most it needs to do is be on-brand for the magazine, but not even that is a guarantee. You are right about this >>7197308 though. OP needs to get his ass off 4chan and get to work if he wants to actually succeed.

>>7198551
>There are no white boy mangaka that you see in Jump or anywhere for that matter in Japan.
Of course not. I'm not in japan.
>you don't live in Japan so you can't make arrangements with anyone for your work to be published there
Good thing we have the internet, no?

>>7205296
>heh, one guy who hires an entire room full of assistants makes it look easy, therefore it's actually not hard at all
You'll probably never find out just how good those guys are at what they do to make it look so easy.

>>7205546
>>7205557
Eromanga sensei always saving the day with his sage advice. arigatou

>>7205546
>>7205557
pyw with your authorship

>>7198551
Funnily enough, japanese forums right now are kinda rolling with a conspiracy theory about how the industry is secretly hiring chinese and korean authors and making them pretend to be japanese for cheap profit, this being separate from the actual foreign artists already working on anime.
Apparently, they don't like when gaijin are making the manga or light novels directly.

>>7205602
they should be legitimately more worried about publishers using ai generation to make manga / books. Unlike the rest of the free world, the Japanese government is actually encouraging that slop.

>>7205602
What else to expect from a xenophobic shithole where “fuck you ive got mine” was elevated to societal behaviour. Sprinkle in unsustainable labour market and enormous pressure to conform and shut your mouth no wonder some people go off the rails and cook up retarded scenarios.

>>7205607
It's strange how the japanese bitch and moan about how their stuff has to be made by japanese workers, and yet they don't give a fuck when those very same workers die from overwork. Fucking insane.

>>7205620
also funny how 95% of their manga are just soft-core porn

>>7205585
https://www.dlsite.com/books/work/=/product_id/BJ01389272.html

>>7197103
>How hard is it to learn Japanese
It's not hard, just takes time.
If you want to learn Japanese, read the /jp/ guide https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/

>>7205527
All of the webcomic patreons i've come across make like 5 dollars a month

>>7205631
>also funny how 95% of their manga are just soft-core porn
And that's supposed to be a bad thing? lmao

>>7205602
ITT expat living in Japan (military)

I mean my fav coom artist is a Naturalized Chinese woman Sayori. Many of the "new" artists aren't muh pure "Yamato japs" or whatever the fuck they consider themselves these days.

The hard truth is Japanese Anime just like the rest of the county is in steep stagnation. The phrase living like its the year 2000 in 1989 very much applies here.
All the prebubble anime basically had near unlimited budgets to work with. These days not even close. If you go to Akiharaba the place hasn't changed since the 90s. Most of what you see is coom art because well its cheap to make and sells. Even Ginax is shutting down and filing for bankruptcy.
There is an art community here but don't get sucked into the manga trap.

>>7197103
even younger Japanese mangaka are going independent by doing the public funding route because IT'S THAT HARD TO DEBUT using the traditional way (publisher etc). Instead of submitting more trash and polluting their serialize manga system, why not create it in your own country? Follow how Koreans do it with their webcomic culture. Or if you're underfunded, do your webmanga on tiktok. Zoomers are willing to pay for a good manga plot that leaves them dying for more while at the same time promoting your merchs of the beloved characters.
If you ask me, I won't post my work but just believe me. I used to draw for children's book illustrations and drawing character design + ads for a small drinking soda company. My side hustle are doing commissions and doing short comic

>>7197115
>professional animators
Lmao, more like cheap slave labor. Your only job is to redraw and follow the director's instructions for pennies at best, doing souless inbetweening at worst. You're not going to become famous or successful taking that road, you're not going to create nor get recognized

Accept you don't have Asian genes and instead of trying to ruin the jp animation industry with your subpar westoid woke bullshit, focus on saving your cringe western animation/comic industry. Dumb fuck

>>7207264
What the fuck are you talking about? Akihabara has been in a protracted decline and Covid accelerated it. You just outed yourself as a fucking poser faggot. Kill yourself.

>>7207412
I literally just said it was in decline. Is /ic/ really full of mentally ill artists?

>>7207264
>Even Ginax is shutting down and filing for bankruptcy
Good, hope trigger shuts down too. Garbage studios

>>7207416
You said it hasn't changed since the 90s you disgusting retard

>>7205665
>my stance when

>>7197247
>Lots of mangaka in Japan give the following advice: forget about learning to write. Just learn to draw. Because if you can draw well, you can just work with your editor and they'll make your drawings into a good story.
That's why Shihei Lin is the goat, all the manga that he's the editor are huge best sellers.
I wish I could learn something from him in a video course or book.

its easier to learn JAPANESE ITHAN TRAING DRAWING **

anyways once you leave highschool then youll stop making stupid threads, you hope

>>7208883
Is he chinese? sounds like a chinese name

>>7208883
>shihei
>nihei
>hei means black
>black ink
>nihei's black ink style
someone......anybody!! tower dungeon HAS TO BE A SUCCESS

>>7207511
I'm purrrety shure anon meant that the type of goods (coom) being sold hasn't changed rather than the overall popularity of akihabara
You know, like he stated
In the aforementioned post
You blabbering mongoloid

>>7197103
it is doable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJICluC7Pc part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlp__zyovk

>>7208896
>Is he chinese?
Dunno, web says that he's from Tokyo
>sounds like a chinese name
It does but from the little I know, his name is probably a pseudonym related to writing and it's very old fashioned.
Shihei is related to Buddhism and writing and Lin have Chinese origins but it's common in other Asian countries including Japan and Korea.

>>7208920
>tower dungeon
I like Nihei works, both KoS and Blame.
Do you recommend tower dungeon?
I don't care if it's fantasy, what I like is his edgy and angsty storytelling besides his background drawings.

>>7209049
yes i do, there's only 7 chapters out right now but I've found myself going through them at least 20 times by now - one, for story inspiration and two, for design inspiration (monsters, characters, architecture, even props)
It really is incredible. The premise is simple but done impeccably well, the world feels lived in and considered which makes sense since Nihei's shtick is architecture which really shows in Tower Dungeon and the character relationships are really fun. Read it, read it now, read it many times.
New chapter comes out in about 2 days

>>7209049
I'm not really seeing how any of his stories are anything close to edgy or angsty but it feels like a nihei story so if that's what you like then you'll probably enjoy this. The artwork is very clearly rushed through is the only complaint I could really levy at it, but I don't really mind much since it more than gets the idea across and if that's how he wants to make manga then more power to 'im.

>>7197103
It's pretty hard for even native japs and they don't like gaijin

>>7210230
learning to draw is hard.
learning a language is hard
learning to write stories is hard

but all of them are a matter of practice. Once you have these skills under your belt, is becoming a mangaka really that hard? If you can make good manga, you can get serialized, right?

>>7210242
see >>7210230

>>7210245
but i did see it

>>7210247
then you should see that it also answers your response

>>7210249
I challenged your assumptions, and it seems you can't answer me. Therefore, you lost this argument.

>>7210254
But I did answer you?

>>7210249
>>7210255
Not him but why are you like this?
First, obviously it doesn't because such statements were what beggared the question in the first place, second because what you're saying isn't even strictly true and third because his question was probably rhetorical anyway.
Yes, of course, if you can make good manga then you can get serialized. That's not up for debate. Even as a foreigner. There's no "you must be this yellow to enter" requirement here. This notion that japanese hate gaijin and will never buy anything made by a foreigner is exactly the kind of retarded nonsense you should expect to see here and should be ignored. It's not based in reality, at best it's based on japanese forum posts just like here. Not representative of the average person's preferences, but that of the delusional social outcast. And even if it WERE true, which it's not, most authors in japan use a pen name and tend to avoid letting their face get out into the public anyway so it's not like a japanese audience even needs to know that you're a foreigner.

>>7210260
[spoiler]name ten serialized non yellow mangaka[spoiler] [spoiler]I can only think of one myself and I don't think he was really that notable beyond being white[spoiler]
more seriously I didn't say it was impossible more implied that it was really hard even if you have the skills since even talented japs like Nihei get sandbagged

>>7210263
Yeah, it's more difficult. There's a language and culture barrier to overcome. It's true that not many people out there have done it. That doesn't disprove my argument. The question was "if you overcome these barriers, can it be done?" and the answer is definitely "yes".
I can't think of 10. If we're only counting white people exclusively and not any non-japanese then I can only think of 4 who are/have been serialized. But consider your own argument: if gaijin really don't sell in japan, would that not mean there's a good chance that any gaijin who IS serialized is likely doing so under a pseudonym? How do you or I know that there aren't plenty of foreign authors in japan? We don't, and it can't be proven, just like how you can't prove that a foreigner can't get serialized.

>>7210268
>How do you or I know that there aren't plenty of foreign authors in japan? We don't, and it can't be proven
If we're going into the land of can't be proven then there is little point in arguing in either direction since it won't go anywhere.

>>7210268
desu I think the more interesting question is how well can a westerner can keep up with a weekly manga grind that has a habit of fucking over the japs health wise

>>7210260
thank you for defending me

It's impossible, get over it.

>>7197103
Lucky for me I have a Japanese friend so he'll translate everything for me for a six pack of asahi