/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I will draw today.
I will post my work today.
I will improve today.

lmao im honored to be in the thread pic

meaningless thread

I won't draw today either.

>>7148927

box or egg what should I choose for torso?

>>7148939
eggchads > boxcels

>>7148939
both

Trust me, you're gonna want to Draw A Cutie.

>>7148939
The box is good to show the front and side planes of the rib-cage.
An egg shapes shows the roundness of the rib-cage.
The sternum and thoracic arch provides a very obvious and useful anatomical landmarks.
Use a combination of all three to get the best of them all.

Also Scott Breton has some simplified 3d models of the rib-cage that are pretty useful.
https://sketchfab.com/scottbreton

Does perspective and proportions look ok.
The sword is large on purpose.
The scene is angled on purpose.
Any other critique

>>7148982
the pose is funny for the scene
it's the kind of pose thots use to take pictures at the gym or something

>>7148987
Not the intent. But i kindoff se it now.
Anything else

had an idea of making this for a long while but I just didn't have the gumption until yesterday, looks gay. Did one of KT but im none to happy with it due to the angle ive set his head and feel its just a re-tread of yoshitaka amano's art I was referencing for both

>>7149035
amogus

>>7148916
thanks for the response anon :)
I'm still getting the hang of longer gesture/figure drawing, so haven't really developed a process, especially for establishing accurate proportion. I've tried to avoid using lines like in picrel, preferring to use landmarks, but wondering if it could help as I'm still omega beg.

I've made this oil painting study copying a picture.
Might have used too much solvent.
What's your opinion on it?

>>7149055
Nah using lines like in picrel is the best way to learn proportions imo.

Just remember the 7 heads and what they each contain- as well as the fact that the 4th head is the end of the pelvis, meaning that the legs are half of the body. This is very critical when understanding proportions because a lot of people underestimate leg length, as I notice you did in your previous drawing

>>7148982
Weirdest pinup setup ever. Anyway

>>7149083

I'm really bad at exerting discipline.

>>7148982
wow, this looks terrible

>>7149091
The leg redline doesn't help at all and the arm redline is worse than the original lol, should be foreshortened.

>>7149097
Thanks, not the prettiest thing i will admit
>>7149091
Mouth nipple is supposed to be a piercing
*sigh* back to the drawing board

The left hand is supposed to be shortfortened since the sword is a bit forward but yours doesnt look like its wrong either.

Didnt add a visible pommel because someone already got ended rightly, actually it seemed to make an already large sword even larger so the hand is covering it.

So i add a bit of calf volume at the tippity top and the bottom of the shin.?
>>7149083
True dat

>>7149101
>the arm redline is worse than the original
True, you have a point
>The leg redline doesn't help at all
Wrong
TA.

>>7148773
The thigh meat is different from the butt meat, so on a fatter ass the thigh won't rise smoothly into the buttock, but instead the buttock will stick out of the back of the thigh as it's own shape. The buttocks themselves have a naturally beanish, dimpled shape which becomes more obvious the bigger they get.
Here's an extreme example (not my art) for educational purposes

>>7149105
I exaggerated the ammount of visible sword grip, but I'd make just a bit visible to show she's not holding the sword at the pommel
I modified the sword holding arm just to make the hand go lower, but the anon that mentioned the lack of foreshortening is right. Have that in mind.
The main things I modified at the legs was her left calf, which was way too low, and changed the angle of her left leg (you can check that by opening the two images on separate tabs and switching back and forth between the two).

:}v

>>7149119
yea I see it, it does look better that way, thanks
time for a break then a v2 sometime next week. with clothes, and ncier leggs.
>>7149120
HUOOOIIIPPP NOICE.
Blogu?

yesterday's drawing
https://files.catbox.moe/uwxgw3.png
First time coloring, I feel like a color blinde person because my main monitor has bad colors, I keep switching back and forth between my small monitor with better colors and the bigger one with shitty colors.
What color should I use for the eyes? should I make them white with small red veins?
(I'll do the shading later and I might change the nose hole shape)

What do you think? I feel I did a good job.

yesterday's drawing
https://files.catbox.moe/uwxgw3.png (embed)
First time coloring, I feel like a color blinde person because my main monitor has bad colors, I keep switching back and forth between my small monitor with better colors and the bigger one with shitty colors.
What color should I use for the eyes? should I make them white with small red veins or maybe blue eyes? they go will with white fur
https://files.catbox.moe/hel5l8.jpg
(I'll do the shading later and I might change the nose hole shape and make feel more hollow)

What do you think? I think I did a good job :3

>>7149081
7 heads are for manlets

>>7149088
anon...

I'm a complete beginner and never drew anything seriously until now. How can I get good quickly and efficiently?
>I want to draw anime
>I want to draw cute/iconic characters
>I am inspired by Akira Toriyama and Sakurai
>I am willing to practise everyday to get good

>>7149180
Watch how to do construction or anime constructiom
Read sticky for 4chan ic.
Do big think. And make a plan
Practice.
Post fror crit.
Get feedback
Nose to the grindingstone

>>7149180
https://youtu.be/K5AV42mgAe0?t=124

I want to draw today right now as of this moment but i'm lacking in mental energy on acciunt if depression and poor diet.

I guess i'll just have to bruteforce it

>>7149180
>drew seriously
>get good quickly
>willing to practise everyday

What did you draw today?

>>7149204
Nothing

Post cool rocks to draw.

>>7149210

>>7148982
This is fucking awesome anon! The only thing that looks off are her calves.
I did a flash animation with it check it here >>>/f/3507155

Thank god I'm creative enough not to need to copy other anon's work. That's some AI shit.

>>7149224
Thanks bro.

Are guidelines a meme and will they make my drawing skills worse over time?

>>7149251
No.
You will rely on them less but are still importante

>>7149251

They are good for teaching you structure + proportion. Bad for feeling flow and gesture.

>>7148994
That doesn't look gay. It looks like some hardcore 80's heavy metal design style that you would see on the back of a black leather jacket. It's a dead style, hard to come by. If you have it, try to save it. You should have a partner to clean that design and do the render. If you try to "polish" that you will end up loosing that weird raw style and creativity. I would use flat colors and thick heavy lineart to finish it.

I can't really get the proportions right
my arms are always short and my torsos end up pretty long
constructing a body thats not standing up is pretty hard actually.

>>7149262
try making the arms longer and torsos shorter, hope this helps!

Putzing around drawing a griffon. Working on texture

>>7149276
Forgot picture lol

The last pic I finished.

Can you guys help me identify all the things that are wrong/don't work?

I think I have a good idea of what to work on, but would be nice to have an outside view, in case I'm missing something.

I will not contribute to this thread.

>>7149280
You're doing something quite difficult there. The thing is that a good rendering could fix many issues with the foreshortening of her body. You could start with the chain, making it thicker at the bottom to help fooling the eye about the view angle. You need to add details to force the perspective. It all depends on how you render her body.

Another Guilty Gear gesture sketch. The pose is a bit exaggerated but I want to say it feels better than my last sketch. Feel free to enlighten me with the errors of my ways.

>>7149280
I feel like the foreshortening is a bit intense, even with the angle. However, this could be just a side effect of the main area I think you should try to fix -- the lighting.

The lighting is a little confusing because I'm getting the impression that the "camera" is looking up at the figure, however the lighting doesn't seem to convey that really well.

For example, if there was a spotlight shining towards the figure from above or in front of the figure (but above the camera's head), the face should be slightly obscured in shadow. Likewise, if there is a light source coming from below, her breasts should be casting shadows up towards her neck.

I think you have an interesting idea for the lighting but you're lighting the figure with universal lighting when it feels like you really want some dramatic lighting.

Decide on a key light angle and commit to it!

It's hard to get into the nitty gritty of it. Complete /beg/ here and not sure what i should even do rn for practice, other than copying and working with KtD more but idk.
It just doesn't feel like the "right" time or moment to do anything right now. It doesn't "click" like how it sometimes does.

Idk maybe it's all just dopamine addiction whatever the hell gobeltygook

>>7149292
mm yeah, i had a feeling i should have pushed the perspective on the chain further. thanks!

what do you mean about rendering her body?

>>7149301
yeah, great point, thank you. i guess in the future it would be a good idea to plan out the lighting in advance instead of winging it on the go

Also, is it okay to just draw in a scrapbook with a pencil or are there some equipement requirements for learning?
I'm only going through the baby basics rn so i don't think i need all that crazy stuff yet.

>>7149307
This is my "rushing to do this before work" visual feedback idea so take this with a graint of salt.. It's not perfect at all but I think it gives the impression of what I was saying, especially in the face. Look up references to see how the face reacts to lighting from below (it's generally the inverse of how you'd shade a normal face.)

>>7149170
blue does look better

I can't draw a fucking thing.

>>7149313
Take pen. Taek papr, Take camera.
Give it your all
Post
Recive critiqe
Get to studying

>>7149316
I'm trying to draw a human head using Loomis method but it's not working.
Very discouraging

>>7149319
Giving up on that front. Back to KtD exercises.
I want to learn this shit but every line i make is telling me that i'm not cut out for this.
I haven't improved once yet in any respect.

>>7149319
>Asks for art advice
>>doesnt post their artwork

Anon what the fuck are you doing. How do you expect to get any meaningful advice if you dont post it. Are you wanting people to wallow in despair with you? Are these posts bait?

>>7149311
ahh, i think i see what you mean. that lighting would have reinforced the point of view quite a lot. next time I should definitely think through what's the best place for the light to be coming from. thanks!

>>7149325
Oh yeah sorry i was just venting into the void.
There's no artwork to be posted because i can't draw anything.
The only actionable critique any of my bs nothingburgers could reasonably receive is just "this fucking sucks, practice more"

I'll just shut up until i have anything of worth to contribute. I'm still very much so mad about my art impotency however.

>Want to draw humans
>Ok but you need to draw paprikas and shoes and hands from unusual POV and machines first
>Why?
>You just have to you don't get it it's called observation and everyone does it now stfu and grind

>>7149334
Great strawman, anon.
Now stfu and grind.

I'm autistic, with ADHD. I can't focus on trying to get better at all or even come up with anything to draw without just giving up and going back to looking at my phone and doing something else.
I've legitimately never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby and have gotten lazy over the years with my only actual one which is writing and the only reason I'm good at writing is because I wanted people to be able to understand what the fuck I was saying and I wanted to write good stories because I thought I'd never be able to make them in a visual medium, but that's it. I've never been able to commit to a serious routine, schedule, or anything. I just sit in my room online doing basically nothing.
Everything I try doing looks so daunting and impossible. I tried learning Source Filmmaker as a teen and I gave up immediately because it looked too complicated. I tried learning how to make my own games in game maker, gave up immediately and never touched it. Even something like drawing just looks so complex and impossible. This is what it's like for everything I try doing.

>>7149280
>>7149307
>what do you mean about rendering her body?
I mean something like picrel maybe? Depending on how do you cast light on her body it could help to force the perspective you're trying to portray. Like the other anon said as well.

>>7149336
He's so me

>>7149335
>Now stfu and grind.
What, though?

>>7149337
yeah, i get it now, that helps a lot! thank you very much

>>7149331
Anon, I know you're venting but every artist has drawn absolute dog shit drawings before. And the curse never leaves by the way. Even when you get to a level you're satisfied with you're always going to get really critical about yourself.

I know /ic/ is genuinely a pretty shitty place to get actual art advice but there's diamonds in the rough. Post your work and get some specific, tailored advice. It'll save you some grinding if you get direction onto where to focus.

>>7149336
He's back, more retarded than ever.
Welcome, schizo, make yourself comfortable.

>>7149351
It would be more beneficial for me if you gave me actual advice that I could work with.

>>7149350
I get that, but i don't even know how to proceed about any of it. As i've said i don't even have anything to post for critique. I'm just completely at a loss and unable to do a thing.

I'm doing the equivalent of trying to learn math by bruteforcing random multiplications for hours on end.

>>7149353
Oh I've done that, as have many others. People will still eat the bait, you don't need me specifically.

>>7149353
>>7149356
It's your turn to claim you're not baiting, go on , unless you've come up with a new script.

>>7149360
I've already given reasons for the advice not working.

>>7149354
I wouldn't agree with that. You haven't truly bruteforced anything really. Pick a subject you want to draw and try drawing it. Then post it on here, regardless if you think it's a nothing burger. There's only one way to achieve the goals you want and that's to try, even if you can't comprehend how to try -- try.

>>7149361
No, you've given rationalizations for not trying the advice in the first place.

>>7149362
Alright.
I'll just watch the proko gesture guide and do a few of those with random poses from the websites listed in OP.

>>7149367
Which is me explaining why I can't do it, yes. I can't try because I don't understand what I'm doing.

I prodded because I wanted to see if you have anything more on offer but it's just more of the old boring shit. Even the recent AI schizo was more interesting.

>>7149331
>anything of worth to contribute
It doesn't have to be something "worthy of being posted". A crude attempt is enough to post, IF IT helps you to be engaged with the activity. That's the hardest part, to keep yourself in the zone of drawing interest. People doesn't do shit anymore. They stare and finger screens on sleep mental mode.
What you're trying to do is to start up your mental engine, to be able to imagine things, drawing things does that to your brain, it makes your brain cells to spark and build shit, you create things in your head. To do that you need to know shapes, and "things". Drawing things creates a 3D asset in your brain that you can use to build your "ideas" whatever those ideas are. You need to train your brain to "see" things in your head.
Just draw whatever and build that creative engine in your brain anon. Keep that long enough and you will get gud as well.

Ignore Howies.

>>7149368
That's the spirit. I personally sort of ignored gesture drawing for years. My comfort zone has been head/bust portraits. But 2 weeks ago I started really focusing on gesture and full body sketches. My first attempts definitely sucked but you have to embrace the suck. The truth is I knew if I had just made an attempt like this years ago I would've improved so much.

>>7149390
How do we save Howies?
Also, what do you think is the percentage of Howies in society at large?

Sneaky, but only enough to work on retards.

Sorry for an uberbeg question, but how exactly are you supposed to hold the pencil?
I've only ever been taught the writing hold and i don't think it's serving me well in drawing.

I wonder why criticism of my art makes me get so crazy. I'm not talking good criticism like, "your anatomy is lacking so you should try x y and z" but more "the subject matter is creepy, your design is shit, the drawing is shit." I can handle I embrace biting criticism on everything else I enjoy (work, writing, cooking) but with art I don't know, it irritates me incredibly to be bluntly told "it's trash and you suck." I know the only revenge is to /git gud/ though.

>>7149442
OK, thanks for letting us know.

I can't do gesture. Great.

>>7149442
You literary ignore "trash" comments
Anons that come to an artwork and critique tread, post, "it is shit" withouth providing any helpfull criticysm only do it to get a raise out of you.

>>7149452
You can't do Gesture, yet. By actively trying to learn it you will get there. Just do it. No one is stopping you but yourself.

>>7149319
pyw

Too bad we can’t get all the Germans in one swoop but Texas Florida has most of the bad ones , time to squeeze the im French Spanish etc wankers until they become latest full metal jacket sniper

It’s capture then try to use for capital and or free govt at Sandia Mexican bolsheviks but NM and Latin America owe since 2021 maybe 50 trillion at 5pct

Shapiros and Dea are new judasrael so not my problems no support no dollars no intel no dual citizenships

International police is worse USA enemy

>>7149468
What the fuck.

PYW

>>7149467
see:>>7149331
>There's no artwork to be posted because i can't draw anything.

Also i found a stash of my work from three years ago when i was last trying to get into it. Glad to see i didn't improve at all in all of this time.
I didn't do any work either so it's not really that surprising. I have got to learn it now though or else i'll forever be the guy who tried and failed like 6 seperate times.

Gesture incoming shortly. I don't like that quickposes flashes me with oldman flaccid dick every third pic, though.

Doesn’t matter is confuscious and population control and Hinduism Bhuddism debts and wealth matter and or rules violations but you don’t hear one word of cheating by Jesus is interesting thing so it’s binkys for Europeans since they use women for money and play raping culture games with fake Red Sea charthage fuiity faggots pebbles tarri and or etc I’m tolerant and so this sites one can of Red Bull? And or one ejac into circle where ring wasn’t supposed to be ?

Is Labrador pharma frauds and part D fruity Baldwin , sure part D and Medicare are paid for lmao is new euthanasia of white USA site

Guy tried to take my high school davinci code ring of dont sleep with friends ex girlfriends then use it for pharma and Labrador then after they found they can’t profit from penance medical they did Isis like a Mexican fake Jew claiming Israel and the real nazis of the holocaust , San deigo multiverse tossed at me was uh pretty good ruined white guy latener and kids and then got like a billion killed trying to Bolshevik the euro which I was before the USA traded me for I wasn’t interested

It’s already basically that way anyway wealth numbers aren’t you owe x cash it’s your duty is this area

Because the witch is gross thing like not allowed on any stage of any govt nor image of and or who did Banksy danish monarch learned hard lesson and gained new image wtf is that tent king of McMinnville Oregon

USA is pretty good as long as like hippy or privacy advocates

If not a privacy advocate aren’t really American

Form follows function they’re not bad just like hard ass salty asshole Texan since are acting as capitalist political actor world was good with new bush 41 Texas consul then wtf dragged to Europe after was only sly in movies , navy orbit now army orbit , had to fix Rambo was terrible , then ussr excuses are uh you were too tan for whites want Steve McQueen at media representation is like biggest issue minus leaders and actual capital cash

So did actually really well since was like above political world capital for USA since 77 2005 USA gained while ussr did gay marriage , wealth has gone to new good numbers but now text twist and uh anyway

Zuckerberg and Islam guarantee of getting Palestine and gay marriage are all my new issues anyway I’m happy with airstream and 10000 land and no grid solar etc

Laffer curve still since USA will need to change defense posture and or new states

USA was plenty tolerant all did well including gays

>>7149442
One skill with art is figuring out what the people giving you retarded criticism are trying to say

>>7148919
I keep getting featured in the op and I don't know how to take that

I fucking suck at this. I'll do ten more

this is bullshit.

>>7149517
"I fucking suck at this. I'm going to do 10 more." is ironically the exact mentality you want to have when you're starting out.

Take breaks and don't burn yourself out but realize that you're going to be making sketches that suck, but each time you do a new one try to identify what part specifically sucked the most and correct it.

Maybe the legs are too short. Make them longer in the next sketch. Something else will inevitably be fucked in that sketch, but that's okay focus on fixing small details at a time.

The trap lots of people fall into is they think that their sketchbooks are going to be full of amazing sketches you can share on social media and wow your friends when in reality the sketchbook is your safe haven to experiment and fuck around and see what works and doesn't work. You're not making fancy artworks, you're slowly channeling the suck out of yourself.

>>7149517
Try focusing on the lines of the gesture before adding the silhouette and form of the body. Try to build a skeleton of simple shapes underneath to help guide the body mass you add atop of the gesture.

Are there any extreme methods of learning art that are seen as controversial or elitist?

Done with gesture for now. I'll copy 2 things and get snoozing. Feel free to post things you'd like me to copy.
>>7149542
Good idea. I think Evinston's courses have you go through just the action line itself a bunch before you do anything else.
Which shapes work best for what limbs?
I know each limb splits into two at the joint + hand/feet and that the torso is made out of two blobs of weight. Otherwise no idea.


If time + effort is certain to result in improvement then i should be alright, but i'll be pissed off if that's just a lie talented people propagate to make themselves look cooler

Does Ko-fi shares your full name when you're the one receiving the donation? Is there

>>7149552
Bump
>>7149573
Yes it does show you your name cus it uses PayPal for example if I sent you 5.00 dollars I get an email saying thank you and then it displays your name

But If I remember you can disable it.

>>7149552
Nah, the whole "talented" people thing is a lie. Think of it like there's a bunch of visual rules and ideas you need to instinctively remember especially when it comes to proportions. A "talented" person may have gotten a natural headstart by recognizing some of these rules and guidelines off the bat but it takes practice and discipline to learn everything else.

You're frustrated because you don't know the visual rules. But it sounds like you're slowly taking notes of certain things and applying them and seeing what works. That's pretty much how all of this works. "Talented" artists are just people who learned and practice and naturally can instinctually understand proportion based on what they learned.

It's like driving a car. At first you're going to be anxious and paranoid, not knowing the right of way, what certain signs mean, just how to control your vehicle in general. It's all nervewracking.

But after years of driving you don't second guess how you're going to turn into a drive way or how you're going to back up into a spot. It becomes almost second nature.

As for the gesture shapes, you're already catching onto the fact that gestures are all about organic curvey shapes, especially the legs as that gives the impression of balance. Look up gesture C and S curves and see how those tend to be the common full body shapes.

The truth is there's no real correct way to plan out the shapes underneath, I'd look up how different artists do it and see what works for you.

I'm at lurking at work so I can't share any gesture studies, but I did the Millia/Guilty Gear sketch some posts above if that gives an impression of the body shapes I use.

How do I stop getting so fucking angry when I draw?

Tried a more flabby butt

>>7148967

Sup beg, i see people still keep responding to shit posters. it is over.

>>7149635
booba
>>7149414
small canvas on flat table: dynamic tripod but hold it way higher than when you write
big canvas angled: overhand grip
various pros use various (sometimes alien) grips. all what matters is keeping your spine and carpal tunnel from exploding
>>7149301
i like it
>>7149280
i coom. i would bend the casted shade (chain) way more for harder forms
>>7149277
if you didnt tell us, i would just see eagle head. nice
>>7149227
very moody + subtle darkest dungeon reference. i kneel
>>7149224
i coom
>>7149170
now add shades
>>7149113
the elephant trunk is too small lol
>>7149077
the fruit value range lacks darks and leaves lacks lights, making it somewhat flat
>>7149067
thumbs up for trying to add reflected lighting from green mat on her pants. thats rare to see in beg
>>7149035
the casted shadows from sun aim at (or run away from) vanishing point at horizon. cool composition
>>7148994
i like it. it just needs stronger separation of shapes / forms: either add some colors or start crosshatching so the dude and dragon pops harder from background and each other

>>7149347
not those anons but they already pointed out the things that i was going to said, so i will just complement saying that... remember that because we are using digital, is perfectly valid try several attempts and try different approaches, because is incredible more easy, so dont feel fear to failure if you think that some shadows or painting lead to a wrong end, or you feel that could be better, just try alternatives in new layers, if you have the time.
Sometimes you already have, the level, like, you can do it, but yeah firsts attempts dont always are good enough and that's perfectly fine, even seconds, or thirds haha. Also doing that could help you to make the critical thinking part about your process and decisions, that's also good even if you end with nothing to use.
That's what i wanted to say.

>>7149610

>>7149610
Nice

>>7149280

very cool picture
ignore image

This looks scuffed as fuck because Halo armor's got so many little faces and details
I might keep reattempting this across the week until I'm satisfied. I don't have any other drawing ideas ATM

>>7149184
Incidentally the one stop beg link there doesn't work for me. There an alt link or something?

>>7149742
I reccomend stealing a design, I told my friend who liked halo 3 odst that you should copy artists and emulate how they draw odsts

This nigga dead ass chose the alba and rookie porn comics I can't tell if he's gmi or ngmi

Today was a bust :/ I set a goal for myself to finish a page today, but got wrapped up in gardening so at least I did something productive. If anyone else here has made a comic before, what does your workflow look like? I feel abnormally slow

>>7149445
Her left arm is abnormally long

is listening to music while drawing a good thing or can it disturb the drawing?

>>7149752
Anon, finishing a full comic page in a single day is a huge goal. And you already know the workflow, rough sketch, lineart, color, lettering. Done. But you can't do that in a day. Do lineart in a day (if possible), color in a day (if possible). And so on. Don't get crushed under your own hand anon. Turn your goals into doable daily tasks, and you will make anything possible.

>>7149752
>>7149768
Don't listen to crabs, doing a full page in 3 hours is doable. In fact, a lot of pro manga artists probably do it in less. Use all the tricks, trace models and art, pre-drawn designs, perspective lines tools, auto cel shading etc

how to draw female torso from scratch

>>7149778
f the f

>>7149778
Draw male torso but with different proportions and with boobs

>>7149768
I also intend on semi-rendering the comic as well; yikes… for the most part, I have everything planned out in loose sketches, which I achieved in about a hour give or take, but this lineart shit is killing me lmao

>>7149771
I def intend on photobashing, but there’s always that itch in my brain that tells me I’m a cheater or a bad artist

>>7149784
>but there’s always that itch in my brain that tells me I’m a cheater
Because you are. Will you choose to continue to be?

>>7149782
>>7149783
are you being dense on purpose? thats hardly helpful

>>7149224
Your flash reminds me of a Meet N Fuck game to be honest, but it is nice

I'm autistic and I stim by masturbating
There are times when it takes me a few hours to jack off, I have porn tabs open but I just look at them for a few minutes but then go back to working on my projects or playing something, I'm actually pretty productive when I do this

>>7149668
a-a-are these from imagination, mr. pawell ???

>>7149791
dope

>>7149445

>>7149759
this better? >>7149795

hands 50/100

>>7149798
>46
wrong side bone :|

>>7149786
I mean, the point of this comic is really just to teach myself to draw better, so I’m not exactly tracing models or anything, but I don’t know how to balance both learning and finishing the project in a reasonable amount of time

>>7149789
I'm half joking
Here's something on hips, but keep in mind that fundamentally a woman is just a man with different proportions

>>7149813
And here's a torso construction method that's not bad

Is trying to draw a semi-realistic face along with the whole body on sketchbook/printer sized paper a bad idea? My faces always end up looking like a jumbled crappy mess. Heads usually being around 2 1/2 to almost 3 inches tall. Trying to avoid making faces overly anime/comicy.

Capturing likeness is not my thing atm. I drew the head much larger on the right ofc, I'm getting closer to having proportions/etc down, and working on the features. I'm going to try a different approach to constructing the head (I use the Loomis method, but I'm going to try a different way of applying it, feature wise). The right was also a relatively quick doodle/not intended to be anything. I made it worse by constantly erasing/trying to "fix." Facial features give me the biggest migraine no matter how much I try to make things look 3D at times.

Obviously my construction/etc need work, and these were a bit half assed sketches.

>>7149829
A big pitfall that I had to sort of learn to get over was being used to drawing portraits that focused on the face and then switching to trying to learn to draw the body.

Your goal is going to try to be to draw the head and body together as one unified thing. Often when an artist isn't used or comfortable with the correct proportions of a body they get a little caught up in trying to stretch or shrink proportions so everything they want to show is visible on the canvas/paper.

I think the biggest feedback I can give to your sketch on the left is that it feels like you drew it without setting up any guidelines or construction. I get the impression you maybe drew the face and then decided to continue further down. It feels like you zoned in on each part of the body (the head, the torso, the ass) and drew each individual part separately from the others and loosely connected them together.

If you want to make suggestive and sexy full body pin-up like sketches, you really need to learn the proportions of the body and how to construct the body with simple shapes.

If you can make simple shapes feel sexy, you're on the right track.

>>7149836

Yeah I did get a bit of tunnel vision Main thing that feels like it'll be the most difficult is shrinking the features down to fit the head on the page with the sketchbook pages being regular size. As well as avoiding making the features looking anime-ish.

Only way to make it not look like a smushed mess is to draw the whole body large on a large paper. Which I guess is the way comics do it, draw it on larger paper and it gets shrunk down digitally or something.

>>7149805
YEAH he tends to do that a lot, doesn't he? Still fucking up the shoulders too :-)

500 backgrounds
500 portrait drawings
500 figure drawings
500 gesture drawings
500 animal drawings
500 object drawings
500 vehicle drawings

DO THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY UNTIL YOU DIE OF A HEART ATTACK

Okay but seriously would this work I'm not gonna do it

>>7149798
>>7149847
>>7149805
day 999 of waiting for you to draw a ntr doodle

1 2 3 4 5

>>7149088

>>7149855
Maybe cut down to 5 of each. If you spent even five minutes on each of them that'd be just shy of 3 hours.
I would personally pick maybe 2 or 3 categories and spend around 30 mins to an hour.

>decide to take up water colors
>buy some paper, brushes, and paints
>get home and try to paint a simple landscape
>swatch the colors and realize there is no green or blue
>what the fuck kind of shitty set is this
>do my best since I'm already in the mindset
>realize afterwards I got paints for portraits
>mfw I'm too fucking stupid to notice at the store
Thank you for reading my blog.

Can you shrug while squatting down a bit? Looks unnatural innit?

>>7149907
>Can you shrug while squatting down a bit?
ask yourself: what would hinder you from doing so? what parts of the body are used to squat? what parts to shrug?

>>7149913
nigga you can strip yourself and set yourself on fire in front of an orphanage but you won't do it just because your body allows you to

>>7149914
>you won't do it just because your body allows you to
perhaps not, but the question was whether the body allows you to do so, which is what I was responding to.

This is it I'll take art seriously
I'm dedicating 1 year to observation and my drawing hours are gonna be 3-4 hours a day

>>7149924
People who like to tell others how they will do a lot at any moment tend to do nothing.

>>7149771
I'm not saying he shouldn't use every trick on the cheat box to get it done. Heck I would. I could get that page done in three hours. Cutting corners every-fucking-where. But he clearly didn't got to that stage yet.
>>7149784
That anon above is not wrong though, eventually you would choose by default quick solutions to get shit done. But I don't think you are there yet, if you're under pressure you should be able to do it.
I did the exercise to do that page as fast as I could, it took me 2 hours to do that in picrel. That's how some people do those daily webtoons, but even much more crappy than what I did there.
Simplify design, simplify backgrounds, simplify coloring, and you will make it.
I usually do one more step wich is to vectorize the image, so you can use the image in flash animation, so it can be re-scalable at infinitum if you want it. You can check the animated page here >>>/f/3507167

>>7149926
>>7149924
I have heard that statistically that's true. anecdotally that's been true in my own life. in short: be a doer, not a sayer, of deeds. if you actually manage 3-4 hours and you are feeling worn out, perhaps decrease the time. taking what you can get and not fighting the reality of things (e.g. your fatigue) is a good principle to follow here (and life, desu). if you can manage it without fatigue (physical or mental), however, all the better for you.

>>7149855
Unironically. Probably yess.

>>7149927
saved for inspiration and the good advice.

thanks, brother

>>7149319
literally just keep trying. It clicks after a while. Also keep in mind to draw what you actually see, not to draw what you think there is

>>7149927
That’s so sick! I’m really feeling those backgrounds esp, I waste so much time on those. Also making me realize how shit I am at drawing clothes lol. I’m not gonna lie though, a bit strange seeing all them as white people LMAO

>>7149924
You'll burn out in 2 weeks good luck though

>>7149927
>just make it ugly, but FAST!

>>7149077

You need to apply the paint thicker, kill all that whitethat’s showing through. You are very literal with your colours, study up on colour temperature and how you can utilize it. Maybe paint from life instead of a photo, since a lot of colour detail and subtleties are often lost in photos. Keep going anon.

>>7149311
Not criticism
Just curious.
Reminds me of heather from silent hill 3.
Not the vagaygay pose . The face and the background umm... characters
Was it perhams inspired by sh3?
Was it inspired

im too retarded to even start drawing plz halp

>>7149668
Pawell those stick figures in Xiao Weichun's book are supposed to be tiny ones at the ends of the pages, I love your edited Translation in the artbook thread but why did you blow up the figures and stick them all over the pages throughout the book ?? can you please post a version without them.

>>7149737
that looks so good! now i can see how much more i could have done with lighting and rendering.

thanks for giving me something to aim for, anon :)

>>7150006
yeah, it's supposed to be Heather

i might never become a good artist, but by god I will learn how to draw a good Heather before I die

>>7150023
Hell yea brother!!!
You are on track to do.

Practiced drawing boulders for drawing earthbending for Avatar

How's it look? I found it easiest when I just drew a big irregular shape and made all the other faces of the rock based off that one big face.

>>7150032
some look very flat, others kinda ok
also draw a bunch from reference
you need both input (i.e drawing from observation) and recall (from memory) to truly learn something

>>7150032
they read as boulders but shape language feels boring. did you look at any reference?

>>7150035
yeah I started off with a very large initial shape (top and left ones) and tried making the "starting shape" smaller

I mostly drew from memory for those ones, I think I'll need some more reference practice

>>7150036
I drew some ones before off reference, but these ones I wanted to try drawing from memory

I think I like the two on the bottom right the most, they feel more rounded than the others which I do agree with the other anon is a little bit too flat on one plane.

>>7150039
something to also keep in mind is that rocks are not like anime girls, in that you can't usually draw a single rock against a white background an call it a day
you commonly need to draw a bunch of them for a scene, so it would be better to practice drawing a plane in perspective that defines your ground, and placing a bunch of rocks on top of it

I am a fag I spent last month playing Dragons Dogma 2 and didn't draw at all. Now started with some quick gestures

Does anyone have one of those head drawing charts with all the different angles? like straight on, 22.5 degrees left, tilted down, etc

>>7150064
nice model on the bottom. Source, good sir?

>>7149990
Thank you for the feedback! I've also noticed the issue with the white showing through, particularly when working on unprimed canvas. While I've experimented with gessoed boards, I found them too smooth for my liking, and I'd prefer to avoid the extra step of gessoing each canvas. Instead, I'll focus on applying more paint in my next piece to address the problem.
I'll take your suggestion and delve into understanding color temperature further.

>>7150083
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/487glr4982khxxf/AADQK0TMpgMF46UqR2xxX9kTa?e=2&dl=0

>>7149258
>It looks like some hardcore 80's heavy metal design style
Thanks anon, I do adore the style myself and working on actual paper. I know I can learn to get better on a stylis or what ever but something about it just makes me toss it into the garbage. Closest thing is drawing shit in mspaint on a mouse.
>>7149668
>Add colors
I hate adding colors since im not the best at them and my shading is less than stellar.
>Add more textures like crosshatching
I have been adding more and more details like that ever since I popped out a cool bug guy I did afew months back and realizing alot of his limbs and bits of himself just blend into each other. I do like doing that but I often wonder if its too much at times so I often pull back.
>Stronger separation of shapes/forms
could you elaborate? Eather way thank you both, feels good man.

Ran out of time for the second memory drawing.

>>7150064
The top 2 are meaningless

>>7149668
Thank you.

copy of kurosaki sogo department store sketch
made in 1979

Can you get good at drawing by copying manga panels online? I usually do that and copy frames and I also do observe life drawings as well.

Also by get good I don't mean "Get good fast" I would link my DAD account to show my work but I don't want to self promo

>>7150136
I copied other peoples art myself and I felt more like a photo copier than an artist

>>7150064
Top left and bottom right are pretty
much the only good references, the other two are pretty stiff in comparison

>>7150177
Yeah now that I think about it I should probably stick to more observational irl drawings

Proko reccomends not copying photos as it just relays to photo copys instead I should do still life as I trust proko

https://youtu.be/dAVjcJobRwo?si=qfy5VLuHkc9Gj1v2
1:50

My goal is to be a well rounded artist as well haha

https://youtu.be/DucYkebgfiE?si=9QcvSjvtxxJf6JdT
This video as well reccomends still life drawings

I wanna learn how to paint like Picasso and also Gustav Klimt.

How should i approach this journey? Learn some color theory? Anatomy? Brushstroke techniques? Sketching studies beforehand?

Realistically, how long until i can paint at that high level?

hi what u thonk of this? great i know

First time trying to make an """illustration""".
Lost interest by the end.
I learned that i should spend more time in sketching phase planning things out more carefully and use multiple layers instead of one.

>>7150136
>>7150202
Now doing life drawings it didn't suck up as much time as i thought it would, it didn't drain my soul.

Now here's my question this is gonna sound funny as hell, will this help draw with anime? I don't like copying anime because i feel like I learned nothing. However I'm planning on changing it up, I'm starting to think to apply construction to my drawings so I could feel as if I'm actually drawing and not mindlessly copying lines.

>>7150281
"Anime" is no different than doing disney style cartoons, or pixar, or whatever other type of art "stylization". The people who do that are pros, who studied human and animal anatomy thoroughly to achieve a successful stylized design of that. Anime is not different. Simplification and stylization to allow a high volume production at a fast pace.
So yes, study anatomy and life drawing, so you can tweak that knowledge as you see fit on your projects.

another 10 minute gesture. I really tried to focus on the proportion, especially of the torso and legs. I think I did much better than my previous attempt in that regard >>7148642

But, the gesture of the pose definitely suffered. The ref has a subtle slouch which I didn't capture, and I think that kind of fucked up how I observed the left arm and made it look like he just discovered porn on the internet. Things to keep in mind for next time!

>>7150315
if you're already drawing it digitally, with the ref pasted onto the canvas, you may as well drag your drawing over the ref. It's a great way to concretely see your mistakes.

I'm not saying you have to be a 1:1 copy machine, it's just a good way to see how you can improve.

>>7150422
meds

>>7150423
Yeah.

>>7150422
cool.
not gonna though

I'm literally feeling suicidal over the fact that I can't draw. What do I do?

i just need to into deliberate learning
almost everything from the past 50 days may as well have been a complete waste of time because it wasn't deliberate enough i was just aimlessly copying from books

>>7148919
Would it be a good idea to put paintings and digital work like pic related through a sketch filter to make it easier to copy? I have a hard time seeing the forms on these kinds of pictures, which sorta defeats the purpose of copying an artist rather than a reference photo.

>>7150446
Copy shapes then, not lines.

I may be a failure in my family and a failure in my work and a fuckup, but someone here said my drawing was good so I am proud about that.

>>7150444
Drawing anything even on "brain-off mode" is never a waste of time. You're a living creature, you need to naturally adapt to stuff, physiological shit must happen at a biological and genetic level in your body, to adapt to that skill you desired to acquire. Do you think that's easy?
Keep drawing, tracing, copying, doing random scribbles, using grid system, abstract shit, whatever it takes to adapt to the habit of drawing. Eventually you will master the drawing skill.

>>7150457
i appreciate the motivational sentiment but experience is now telling me no, if i continue on my current path i will end up no better than p*w*ll

This will sound retarded but I can't figure out the perspective for this guy, any help? I don't know where the horizon is and I thus I can't properly draw the armor...

Pic related is a comparison, at first I thought the horizon should be near the middle section, but I wasn't happy. Then I thought maybe it's on the top near the head? Literally no clue what I'm doing at this point.

>>7150469
Welp, since I'm retarded I made the comparison wrong. The one in the right is the first version, with the horizon near the middle.

>>7150469
To me it looks like horizon is around his shoulder line, maybe a bit lower

>>7150466
You can't get to any destination without the journey. The stone won't move if you don't push it.

What you think goys I have talent?

>>7150488
i think that you are 12 and should go to bed, it's a schoolnight

>>7150493
Anon magically detects the timezone of everybody else

>>7150441
I just draw anyway to stop thinking about killing myself. Maybe do a tutorial on YouTube or something, they're good for the ego

Why the fuck do i mess up pelvis each time

>>7150488
why is he doing the wrong salute

>>7150523
draw bigger

I CAN'T INTO 3D PERSPECTIVE

MY SHIT IS FLAT AS A PANCAKE

>>7149442
I was thinking deeply about why I'm insecure about my art, and I think it's because I know better but still screw up in obvious ways, so when someone says something like "the legs look like shit" it feels like they're calling me an idiot who doesn't know what legs are meant to look like

>>7149170
where's the other side of her jaw? you should be able to see the inside of the right half of her lower jaw through her mouth.

>>7149813
>t fundamentally a woman is just a man with different proportions
nope, kys tranny. also we are all xx in the womb the y chromosome is literally a mutation

just started Bridgman. anything I should keep in mind? I intend to start doing the memory copy once I comprehend the construction more

>>7150616
picrel whoops

>>7150563
It hurts, but it is great - it makes me look into it harder.
Sadly, I get comments like that like once a year, if at all. :/
>>7150596
we do not draw hromosomes. Of course, it is about the same thing, all mechanics work the same way - they are the same spices. Americans fucked up in the head with this tranny shit both ways.

>sketch with pencil
>worry that it's going to smear opening and closing the book
>end up inking trash
How do I curb this tism

>>7148967
damn crooked boobiee

>>7150665
stop caring?
it's just a sketch and if it does smear just use an eraser to fix it

is this correct?

>>7150687
Why are you reposting it?
no

Fuck skulls. beg

>>7150523
the better question is if knowing how to draw hip bone helps at all in figure drawing
>>7150506
i like this
>>7150488
looking at the line quality and your ability to feel the form and properly applied perspective and foreshortening, i would guess you are INT who just tries to look beg. if you are actual beg who just "drew", then yes, you are overflowing with talent
>>7150446
it is better to train your observation rather than abusing silly filters to see edges
>>7150422
now this is art
>>7150011
sorry, no refunds
>>7149900
you forgot to pyw
>>7149860
pretty nice, but too dark. pic is practically invisible black on my phone
>>7149855
when i was doing the spam the gestures book, i managed only 100 gestures per day + a couple more pics. the numbers are completely bonkers. but yes, you improve drawing by drawing
>>7149829
size of canvas dictates the amount of detail. just look at how comics fit whole batman into tiny panels: they simplify both the figure and the face
>>7149795
is the dress supposed to be see through? also lmao at the hands, you gave up with them. and her sleeves needs drapery folds
>>7149764
i listen to broadcasted radio where they sometimes even read audiobooks. and i am permabeg. maybe if i drew in deafening silence i would already be int by now...
>>7149792
the bottom row is memory/construction

>>7150687
no

>>7150695
>>7150701
whats wrong with it

>>7150702
1 it is not structure it is trace.
2 You do not understand structure of it well..

>>7150702
nothing is wrong with it. They're trolling you. Do a full body if you want a real critique.

>>7150713
as >>7150710 says, that's not the structure, it's an outline
the lines that are used to align features are all wonky and not parallel in perspective
the eye 'sockets' are misaligned, with one lower than the other

I'm about finished with this, but I really want to make sure it's as good as it can be, I want to get it printed and signed by the actor for Darth Maul (he'll be showing up to a local convention)
ANY critiques at all, any? By all means, shred it to bits. I want it to be good more than anything.
Also, anybody here have experience getting artwork professionally printed? I've been drawing in digital for a while haven't transferred anything over to the physical realm yet

>>7150724
>wm
cringe
>sw
cringe

Silly beam from the nose
flat, figure is more guess then read
The picture is fine

>>7150732
Listen I'm completely open to be ripped to pieces but I can't decipher anything out of these buzzwords

>>7150710
>>7150717
fix it then, as you do not seem to understand what you're talking about I doubt you will follow through

~30 minute sketch, criticism on the proportions, shading, etc would be appreciated

>>7150744
HOT!

>>7150737
wm = watermark
sw = star wars

The poster seems to think that the lightsaber in the background doesn’t look good, like it’s a later coming out his nose or something. The poster thinks the figure is flat and does not read well. I personally didn’t realize he was holding his super ultra deluxe badass double-sided lightsaber. You can hardly see the hand and arm holding it.

>>7150742
it's pointless to help someone that can't take criticism

>>7150758
Actually you've got a good point, the hand should be brighter thanks to the lightsaber glow and it would help it stand out more. Thank you.
Also I made this in an RGB color profile and want to get it printed, how fucked am I?

>>7150766
>Also I made this in an RGB color profile and want to get it printed, how fucked am I?
dosnt matter much.

>>7150737
NTA but study composition for the laser beam nose problem

>open up Vilppu course chapter on gesture, watch and draw along with him
>do same with Steve Huston gesture intro afterwards
>do same with Hampton's course


how retarded of an idea is this my fellow kind beggars ? i got inspired to do this because many ppl say you won't learn everything from one teacher but all the things from everywhere will eventually make things make sense.

Can I get some critique?

>>7150812
you forgot to draw the top of her head

>>7150811
Do Vilppu's entire course first, because it's all integrated knowledge that builds one on top of the next..

Then do his course a second time, because knowing the last lessons will make the first lessons make more sense.

Then do his course a third time, because his course is just that good.

Actually, forget Huston and Hampton. They're both hacks anyways, and all you really need is Vilppu-sama

Cant believe the first finished drawing I do in months is both the first lewd drawing I do in my whole life and also the first with a loli on a whim because a random anon just said to the void "draw cunny".
Anyways, here's a thing, using flat monochromes as a crutch until I start studying how to paint stuff.

Forgive for sounding like a nitwit but whats the obsession with Bridgman? It's just a bunch of scribbly bullshit that seems not really teach anything.

>>7150824
cope , Steve Huston daisukiiii

>>7150829
Congrats. You got yourself groomed

>>7150834
your "daisukiiii" for Huston-san is no match to my "aishitteiru" for Vilppu-dono

>>7150812
Don't be scared anon, post the whole pic. Here is what I'd do, hope it helps. I think a little shoulder raise could give some character to the pose. Otherwise, good job anon.

>captcha: GGGJ

>>7150724
>>7150766
Hi anon, I did a quick something on picrel, pay no attention to the color rendering and simple linework, but you can use it if you like anything of it. The main thing is that, you got yourself into a problem with the hand there. I get what you're doing placing the laser in the middle of the image to make it look cool, you did that with a purpose, the problem is the hand position. To keep that laser cutting the image in the middle like that, the only solution is to place the hand in the back like I did. Again I did a quick thing, but the place of the hand is what really matters. I hope it helps you to save your project in time.
And about the colors, I think the main element that makes darth maul cool is the HIGH contrast between the red and pitch black on his face. In your picture, that contrast is all washed out by the ambient red light of the laser blade. So, maybe you could do like I did and keep the contrast high on his face colors.
Good luck anon.

>>7150845
Thank you kindly. I was having trouble finding references that weren't in an awkward angle.

>>7150845
>>7150846
since when did angels deign to descend upon /ic/? Thank you both for showing mercy unto us begs

>>7150829
Did you draw this about 2 weeks ago? I have it saved

>>7149890

>>7150844
naruhoho ne...

>>7150824
are you talking about his drawing manual course or the figure one from NMA ? the one in the the torrent is confusing because it has both the old and new versions all in the same folder jumbled together, can't figure out which to watch

>>7150869
It's honestly all the same material

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Fr4y1q7nK/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

Chinese people love Vilppu. Bilibili has pretty much all his courses

>>7150824
nta but what are you referring to when you say "do his entire course"? that's really vague, he has tons of courses and books

>>7150878
Figure Drawing / Drawing Manual is the basic course everyone should do

>>7150845
Thanks anon, It looks much better now and it gives me confidence.

>>7150845
The arms are clearly too short here

>>7150876
can you link me some of his composition/landscape courses there? naturally...english words don't return good results

>>7150926
sorry, Vilppu doesn't teach that stuff much in general.

He does have a drawing essentials course, for preliminary schools that you should have before you start figure drawing. It should help for drawing anything in general:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ez411i7ft/

preliminary skills*

>>7150846
I'm genuinely not worthy of this, I'll play around with contrast some more (I've done work to give it more volume, it did come across as flat) but I've never felt so absolutely mogged

>>7150938
>>7150846
I mean this in a good way though, thank you for the drawing that really is incredible. This is my latest WIP, I've got a long way to go

I’m still not drawing.

pretty much eyeballed the left column, tried to measure a good amount of the right column

>>7150941
No problem fren! I did notice immediately a good change in the contrast in your new WIP, it looks better even in the thumbnail.
I did this because I saw that you would find yourself stuck with the hand thing and that sucks man. I know how that feels when it happens. It's horrible. Not to find a solution in time for something important you want to accomplish. I hope you get it done in time, and all ends well.
Btw, you're missing the horn in the top of his head. Good luck again anon.

I drew for 1 hour today

>>7150950
big improvement from 394 to 396
remember to overlay them and check mistakes

>>7150955
Oh the con won't be for many months ahead, that's why I'm doing it now so time won't be an issue. I'm the kind of guy that did his college assignments the day after I got them so I could loaf around during finals. At least for what's worth I think MOST of the hand and lightsaber layers are in separate layers, yeah it won't be a SUPER easy fix to tweak but I won't have to redraw the entire thing either, just group stuff together and draw some fixes.
Sidenote when saved as a TIFF file for printing it's 158 Megabytes, good lord at least it better print out nice. My laptop is having an anxiety attack any time I gotta alpha transform a layer

HOW TO MAKE MY "DRAWINGS" STOP LOOKING SO GODDAMN FUCKING FLAT. SHIT HAS NO FUCKING DEPTHA T ALL ALIKE A FUCKING SHIT.

help. how to make this better?

Trying out coloured pencils for the hell of it. Not sure how I like them yet. Will go in with OMS at later stages.

>>7150866

:D

>>7150958
how do I this trad ? I have camera and photoshop

>>7150679
theyre not crooked you dingbat doublefuck, thats what happens when one shoulder is raised

>>7150980
cute dino

>>7150958
thanks. I don't know why I haven't thought of that until now, but I'll try it out.
>>7150986
I'm not sure the one anon's exact process, but you could take a photo of your drawing, open it in photoshop, open the reference in a new layer above your drawing, and turn down the opacity so that the reference is see-through. then you can adjust the size of either layer to better gauge how well or poorly you did.

>>7150960
Did you do the vilppu chapter i told you to?

>>7150959
>when saved as a TIFF file for printing it's 158 Megabytes
oh my

I was excited for this one but I really do not like the way this turned out. I'm pretty sure its just the mouth thats throwing me off but i dont know. perhaps there is more too it then that.

someone please shit on this so i can gain some ideas

>>7150665
you can use a fixative to stop it from smudging

>>7151005
xenomorph lookin ass

>>7149180
First and foremost you have to go through the entire collection of Loomis, then copy Bridgman at least 3 times and draw a couple thousand boxes while you're at it. Then MAYBE you can start drawing your cute/iconic anime characters, by copying Toriyama and Sakurai directly. And in a couple years you might manage to draw something half-decent from "imagination" (actually memory).

What's the best drawing tablet I could get with a 150 euro budget? /dtg/ is schizo-infested.

exercise from that chinese book pawell translated

>>7151005

You are symbol drawing. You need to wrap your head around the idea of 3d form. Draw a fuckton of primitives like cube, spheres, cones and similar, and make them convincing.

>>7151005
:^

>>7151020
Just get a medium sized wacom intuos screenless tablet. Screenless tablets force you into a quite difficult learning curve at the start, but are perfect when you get used to them. They are unbreakable and comfy. For that money better get a good screenless brand like wacom. Play it safe. Get the medium size though, don't pick the small ones.

>>7151020
>>7151030
Wacom is overpriced garbage and the company shits on its customers constantly.
Take a look at what XP-PEN offers, like the Deco Pro.

>>7151027
>>7151015
I know exactly where I went wrong there too I think. I deviated too far from the original circle on the front/top to make it conform to the facial features I was drawing while completely failing to adjust the back of the head to the changes I was making. Fuckin hell. Oh well, lesson learned I guess

Heres the previous one I did. Much better proportions I think but the eyes are definitely wonky as hell

>>7151034
Why XP-Pen over Huion?

>>7151042

Same issues as the other one, you're symbol drawing.

>>7150035
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>>7150036
I took some of your advice.

The bottom left and the bottom middle are drawn from reference (I think the bottom middle's perspective was a bit different than the plane I chose).

I tried to draw the rest based off the plane. That plane did help although I found I made too many with a flat top.

>>7149067
insanely hot

>>7150988

Thanks anon. I hope it will look more like a roseate spoonbill than a dino after I've worked more on it.

>>7150950
Try thinking about all front features of the face being parallel to each other. Brow line, eye line, tip of the nose, both lips, crevise of the mouth, end of chin. This way you will have much easier time placing them.

>>7150993
Which one? What does itt each?

I think I'm improving
>>7150984
Nice nice nice

>>7151238
cool wolverine

Damn i was able to draw again in csp by changing the huge ass triangle cursor to a small round one.

>>7151099
thank you, will do

I will do 20 3min gestures today.
What else should i draw to get better?(Other than judt working w books)

>>7149336
Mogs me

>>7151393
>What else should I draw to get better?
depends on what you want to get good at. if you want to be good at observational drawings, draw from life (and references aren't necessarily bad here either, imo). if you wanna be good at breaking down things into simplified three-dimensional volumes, practice that. if you wanna have fluid and varied line quality, practice that. if you wanna be a good portrait artist, draw portraits, etc. break down the fundies and subjects you want to get good at and focus on them. draw smaller subjects, bigger ones, medium sized ones; draw with a smaller time limit, draw with a bigger one, etc.

Another day, another 10 min gesture/figure. I got the proportions pretty decent again, but, again, failed to pay attention to the gesture of the pose at the beginning , so the limb angles aren't quite there.

i know this "general" sucks, but lets use it as next general and hopefully slide it off the catalog soon

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>>7151417

how do I draw like this

>>7151591
im waiting for the real one to be made.

>>7151593
Draw it, trace it, analyse the trace, divide it into parts, analize those parts, the size and shape of the limbs, the shape of the shadows, the thickness of the lineart. Draw it again, or start drawing stuff and using "this" as the base and then compare it and make adjustments to make your style look more like that style you want.

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>>7151042
>>7151050
to give an example of what this anon is saying, look at the outer eye (in this drawing the left one). It is way too big. Also the left cheekline or whatever you want to call it is way too much to the left, your guy has his head rotated to the left so this side should be a lot shorter.
Like he says, draw what you see, not what you think a face looks like (and use a reference if you're not). Hope my garbage 2 second ms paint sketch helps