/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

even more hands

>>7144387
this the real thread
the other OP is a doo doo head desu

>>7144387

Is there a "recommended practice list" to go along with each chapter of the vilppu book? Something like
>Read and copy chapter 1 X amount of times over an X day/week period
>Watch the video for chapter 1 X amount of times
>Do X gesture drawings (or chapter specific practice) per day for X days
>Do X finished pieces focusing on the gesture (or whatever the chapter is focusing on) of the figure

How do i improve this
why does she look retarded

dont know which thread is real
>>7144410
probably the different pupil sizes

>>7144391
Cute
>>7144396
Nice hands
>>7144410
Her left-handed iris is way bigger than the right one.
>>7144413
Nice colors

>>7144413
>>7144418
okay, but I feel like the entire face structure/topology is whats making her look weird

>>7144410
>>7144421
The fixed version looks fine. I just don't like the texture brush you are using. Too grainy and repetitive.

>>7144408
>Forrest Imel beginner guide
>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WvtZ_F69mn3lwhjxc3GKsN5tarcTEWOr?usp=drive_link
5 videos detail which books to read and how to grind fundamentals.

Nothings' wrong right guys?

Gonna color now. Wish me luck

>>7144430
good luck bro

Flock doodle. I realize I fucked up the sline alignment. Amidst other things.

good luck :]

>>7144437
I have seen this wip for 3 months already.

>>7144437
Shit...i haven't even started yet and you already gave me the answer.
Thanks man. I gotta study this

>>7144441
That is not the answer. It is one of the solutions. And not very precise at it. I don't know what you planned it to look like.

>>7144439
I literally finished it a few hours ago

>>7144443
I had no plans yet. I'm still too beg to visualize shading in my head so this is a massive help
Thanks again, mate

Nigger its over

>>7144435
>sline
>>7144452
Post work or stfu

>>7144421
yes you are correct, there are many small compounding errors that are adding up to more than the sum of their parts in the final image
it's entirely too difficult and absolutely pointless to try and fix it now, you've probably already looked at it too much and it's beginning to embed itself as a pattern in your brain, you'll just correct one thing to notice that it threw 3 other things out of whack which might look good to you at the time but still be wrong, move on, there's nothing more to learn, if you want to learn, redraw it, if you absolutely must fix this particular drawing, don't look at or think about it for a week or more and then try again with fresh eyes

>>7144396
Day 999 of asking you to draw a ntr doodle

Hey /beg/. What would you ask your favorite artist if you had the chance to speak with them? Asking for a friend

>>7144464
What's his/her dream project.

>>7144464
nothing because they're probably an idiot due to the time they've invested in drawing and you'll only be disappointed by whatever dumb spaghetti answer you get

Could someone redline this? The legs look especially off to me but I can't visualise how they should be.

7144474
this is why /ic/ has lower average iq than /v/

just studying tonight

>>7144477
are you drawing from imagination or have a ref?

>>7144479
imagination

>>7144488

>>7144428
fuck off AInigger

>>7144495
Shoo shoo schizo

will i ever make it?

>>7144421
You need to double-check the vertical axis of her head. Currently, the philtrum is not properly aligned with the columella, which in turn causes the mouth to appear slightly off-center in relation to the nose.

Also, there's a subtle discrepancy between the angles conveyed by both facial features, with the mouth seeming relatively closer to what it would look like in a frontal view.

>>7144495
>>7144428
>https://www.artstation.com/forrestimel
> Work for MTG, Riot, Steam, WoW, Smite
BTFO retard. What a fucking schizo!

I fucked this so badly pls help

>>7144410
>why does she look retarded
it's called being asian i think

Requesting help again since while Pawell is right about finding a ref and drawing what I see, it's going to change the intent of the drawing unless the angle matches, and I've fucked up the perspective already.
>>7143786

Thoughts on using CSP 3D models? Is it cheating?

>>7144574
Thoughts on using a pen? it cheating?

>>7144574
Thoughts on using a pen? Is it cheating?

>>7144578
i mean you are basically tracing a face

>>7144428
thanks

>>7144464
Show them your work and ask how it can be improved ofc.
What else would you ask them?
What's you favourite color?

Just drew this, pretty proud. Probably the best face I've drawn yet! Been learning by drawing for a bit over a week.

>>7144590
Nice man, congratz!
4chan will rotate your posts when you just phonepost if you're wondering.

>>7144592
Thanks! And yeah I figured, sorry about that

>>7144405
YOUR THE DOO DOO HEAD YOU FUCKING GOD DAMN NIGGER!

>>7144387
After an hour of looking at various references and constant re draws this is the final product, I'm both proud and embarrassed, it's my most ambitious drawing yet, tried so hard and got out of my comfort zone more but the end result is sloppy in certain areas, what you anons think?

>>7144574
No. Primarily because if you suck, the trace is obvious as such and probably looks worse than what you can draw freehand. To trace a 3D model in such a way that it looks good, you need the skill to make a character drawing look good in the first place. I remember reading Rosario Vampire way back and immediately noticed that is was traced 3D, but as time went on and the series concluded in vol 14 of S2, it was impossible to tell if it still used 3D for posing (which it did)
It is a time saving tool first and foremost.

>>7144515
looks good biro

>>7144515
Help people help you. What irks you about this piece?

>>7144618
This doesn't look 3d traced

>>7144515
Give the guy some forearms and put some of those fingers together. Remember the index usually likes to stand out a bit and/or keep some distance from the other 3.
Since he's grabbing onto something, the thumb would wrap around the object, not stick out like it is doing in the pic.
Seek references or try a similar pose yourself, see how your arms and hands behave.

>>7144445
>I literally finished it a few hours ago
Okay, but how long were you working on it?

>>7144652
Thanks for giving me an idea, will redraw it with a furry bitch.

I want to draw Wonder of U from jojo part 8 but i'm pretty bad at drawing.
Maybe i should just copy

>>7144619
Thanks
>>7144622
I’m not really sure how to narrow it down. I think the shoulders are anatomically wrong somehow, and the arms another problem. The head (to me) lacks 3d depth and the perspective doesn’t feel quite right, but I’m not sure I have the skills to fix that or If it’s even a real problem to begin with
>>7144633
This is helpful, thank you. Didn’t think about the thumbs. Think it’s time redraw the arms and increase the frame size to accommodate them

how the FUCK do I get rid of pic rel? I draw something I'm happy with and then few days later it's like I forgot how to draw

>>7144413
Windows mess this up, they don't follow the perspective of the building, compare to ref

>>7144430
You've been making this since like January

>>7144725
>>7144445

>>7144515
>copied mirror hands
instant 0/10

>>7144590
>>7144612
looks ass

>>7144733
Well I'm not here to get pampered for my mediocre art but can you at least tell me how to not make it ass?

>>7144742
Fucking pussies always getting all pissy after a little critique.

>>7144746
??? Dude I'm just asking you to be specific, what are you talking about?

>>7144445
You literally haven't finished it, it's still uncolored lineart

>>7144746
>>7144733
>thinks calling something bad without argument is a "critique"
>seethes just for being told to elaborate
Absolute retard. If you're going to be stupid, at least make it in a way that's funny.

>>7144652
And he's drawing her pussy that nearly every woman has anyway
The most pathetic protagonist in fiction

>>7144763
I don’t see you doing any better.
Just crabs all the way down.

Project 3A
I think I should redo this this is my first time drawing a irl figure instead of anime

any critique would be helpful before I start shading, this char also has a halo thingy so I'll also need to add that in

>>7144834
give it another try, I would also recommend drawing bigger or using a thinner tip/pen/lead

>>7144612
keep it up, the more you push out of your zone, the larger your zone will get

>>7144515
looks great anon, just add in forearms, they can go offscreen

Would appreciate advice on the rendering and any glaring anatomy mistakes.

>>7144866
her left arm is longer than her right and her left upper leg doesn't connect correctly into her lower left leg
also the perspective is wrong on her lower back but that would require to redraw most of the drawing.

>>7144834
Try to recognize the clear lines.
Use straight lines more often

>>7144662
>Okay, but how long were you working on it?
April 9, according to my file
Yes, I draw slowly. I can only spare a few hours a day and even still, I keep on making errors

give me a cutie to draw

>>7144888
Sigourney weaver

>>7144890
I don't think that I would call her cute

>>7144888
booba

>>7144893

>>7144888
Draw A Cutie

>>7144893
you don't think tall woman can be cute?

>>7144888

Will spamming quick sketches/gesture drawings help with accuracy?

>>7144931
no, spamming accuracy drawings will help with accuracy

>>7144931
why dont you try and find out fag

>>7144940
I don't have that kind of time.

>>7144939
I mean, accuracy in timely manner. I can copy/draw things accurately, but it takes a lot of time. I'm tired if this.

>>7144944
>I don't have that kind of time.
quit drawing, the fuck do you think this is, learn php in 3 hours?
If you dont have the time to test approaches you dont have the time to learn

>>7144947
welp
You heard it boys. Don't bother with books.

>>7144948
yeah, dont bother because you dont have the time, fuck off from this board

This is my second digital artwork, I just bough my tablet two weeks ago. Before that I did only traditional for around 5 months, let me know what I can improve or any tips

>>7144948
I did not hear that.

how would you make an drawing look dark?

>>7144871
Thanks anon, will try to fix this up while rendering

>>7144961
Does it need to be? You could do a light tone over the whole piece but that might wash out detail.

>>7144966
I think the shadows make it look as if the roof is out during daylight

>>7144952
Soul.

>>7144931
work on slow realistic drawings, use photo reference with clear light/shadows

just bought my third sketch book and tried to use fine liners for the first time, the mistakes I noticed on my own
>the sketch is still somewhat visible after erasing
>I messed up the hair and fur
>the ears are off
>the tongue is wonky
I think I did a good job with the skull tho

>>7144906
nta but her hair was cute

Do i draw today? I'm not really feeling it but i could do a wee bit at least.

>>7145001
I haven’t drawn since October, just after you “people” told me I was NGMI.

>>7145005
And you won’t, especially if your to bitch made to push through criticism and hate.

Can I get some help with the hands? they are killing me. I just can't get them right
trying to do that gendo ikari hand gesture but one hand on top of the other.

>>7144387
How do I make myself finally give up on drawing?

Well I tried doing the hand lesson in KTD yet again, this time follow you guys advice of only looking at the paper when I have to.
I'll be honest I think it looks worse, way to big.

>>7145023
BEHOLD HANDS

>>7145023
>>7145038
>>7145040
I would post my hands i’ve drawn but they’re part of a size play piece between a clydesdale and a mouse.

>>7145042
>>7145023
Of course for doing a womans hands you would de-emphasize the structure

>>7145023
>>7145040
Besides that if you practice constructing a hand enough you’ll get it, but you really have to do hand practice separate from the body you have to give yourself room to draw it and really understand it. Trying to slap hands on a figure in your notebook will undoubtedly lead to bad hands. So practice these anon just a page of shapely hands a week, and you’ll have them in no time.

>>7145040
>>7145042
>>7145044
>>7145046

woah, thanks.

>>7145038
I will come to your house in the middle of the night and staple hand lessons to your ballsack

>>7144652

>>7145038
This confirms for me that some people are just hopeless and that talent is real

some random practice. I need get back to more structured exercises

>>7144995
pog

>>7145070
You're doin good, keep practicing and aim to be as accurate as possible, then draw the same thing from memory in any way you feel looks good. You'll improve really quick if you just aim to study based off an illustration you were going to draw anyway. It'll keep you motivated to learn. GL

>>7144387
What is a crab? Is it supposed to be a reference to the 'crabs in a bucket' analogy?

>>7145023
maybe like this?

>>7145090
Suddenly Hitler

>>7145091
goddambit it was supposed to be a moaihead lol

>>7145090
Looking better anon

Observational copying.
I honestly don't know what the hell I am doing, looks quite deformed but I assume it's a mileage thing that I just have to keep working on. How do I take measures like Right Side and Keys told me if it's on a screen with a pen tablet instead of a physical canvas that always stays the same size?

>>7145099
Not bad, but you’re not building you character and getting your structure right before you move on.

>>7145090
>>7145091
isn' t that Gendo guy from evengelion though?

>>7145099
nice, don't forget to overlay your image over the ref at the end and note down where you're were off

>>7145107
>but you’re not building you character and getting your structure right before you move on
Elaborate on what this means.
Also, I tend to want to move on sooner rather than later, because I noticed that I waste shitloads of time on studies and practice fixing every tiny thing instead of just cashing the rep and doing another one. Mileage.

>>7145109
It's pretty much off everywhere, in the sense that everything is oddly sized relative to everything else. Tunnel vision of sorts.

>>7144869
The torso looks fine, but his legs are way too long. Keep in mind that, in terms of realistic proportions, the middle point of an adult's full-body height is located at around the level of the pubic bone, with that of the hip joints being placed slightly above the latter.

>>7145115
are you doing a block-in with straight lines? that could help you with general shapes and proportions, without getting bogged down in detail

>>7145113
>>7145115
What this anon said, it looks like your trying to mimic the outline instead of building a simplified version of the character to make sure your proportions are correct before adding details.

>>7145120
I'll try that for my next copy. Can I get away with tracing the block-in over the image and copying the rest, or should I do the block-in and copy raw like before?
>>7145121
I'm still kind of scared of doing construction on my tablet since my pen control is pretty awful and I can't draw circles, straight lines, and so forth to save my life. Stuff is slippery, jittery.

My trials continue
As always looking for feedback

>>7145123
do the block-in by eye, but overlay it before moving on to detail

>>7145123
Understandable, i’ve destroyed my hands over my life and they shake horribly so i’ve had the same issue, and did the same thing in figure studies for a long time. What i’ve learned is…. Fuck them cock suckers telling me to have clean lines i’mma draw fucked up circles made entirely of searching lines.

>>7145128
Understood. Thanks for the advice anon.

I intend to draw a lot tomorrow.
What would you anons like to see from an uberbeg?
Feel free to throw literally anything at me. I'll attempt every suggestion at least once but keep in mind it won't be all that good.

>>7145127
Better. I suck at woman faces so i can’t give much more feedback than that but it looks more feminine and less chromosome enriched

>>7145129
I think mine is more due to a lack of practice rather than physical injury. I am still trying to improve it as best as I can. Good luck with your own art anon. We all gotta make the best out of what we're given.

>>7145131
I want you to draw hands anon

>>7145131
draw some rocks

>>7145131
armpits + angry face

>>7144995
Plz tell me what the fuck kind of brush you used to get those beautiful tapered triangle like lines? I'm particularly wondering about the line I've circled below her left ear (although the lines on her eyelashes and hair also blow me away); did you erase the part that tapers off at the bottom or was this all from one stroke??? I can never get a line to come out looking like that even though my pen tablet is pressure sensitive!

>>7145023
my attempt after applying the Trylsc's method

>>7145144
hands look deformed lmao, you consistently make the first digit too short

>>7145158
there's nothing wrong faggot

>>7145161
Looks like you need to get your eyes checked then.

>>7145164
blueline it or gtfo

>>7145161
don't engage with retarded nodraws

Sup beg, i think i am finally feeling some gains. i feel the forms!

>>7145131
i would like to see utterbegs picking ONE course / art book and fucking drawing from it and PYWing, instead of nonstop asking for directions
>>7145127
>>7144479
i like it
>>7145099
you can literally hold your arm with stylus and aim it at the screen the same way as you would do with real life reference
>but my screen is closer to me than my arm
enjoy exploding spine, exploding carpal tunnel and going blind then
>>7145038
damn that is prebeg, you are literally not drawing what you see. still move on to next project and copy all the drawings in the book while you are at it. you NEED that mileage
>>7144979
she looks like she murders shotas and eats their corpses raw without seasoning
>>7144869
bad value range. limbs are literally melting into the body, the head is completely off the perspective + broken spine. USE REFERENCES
>>7144834
i like how confidently you placed her eyes. be a little less confident and measure a bit more. push less with the pencil so you can restate
>>7144612
thumbs up for trying, but its pretty beg
>>7144590
a little uncanny, but nothing drawing more wont fix
>>7144515
i like the colors. just finish it
>>7144502
it is a little stiff. try to alternate line thickness
>>7144435
broken spine

>>7145168
>i would like to see utterbegs picking ONE course / art book and fucking drawing from it and PYWing, instead of nonstop asking for directions
Can and will
>>7145136
Seems harder than you'd think but uhhhh
>>7145138
Doable but i can't really imagine a good armpit
>>7145135
Easy.

Today's practice. I'm le tired, will continue tomorrow

>>7145177
How this guy who drew a girl with a rapier was called.
Similar vibes :)

>>7145165

>>7145183
>>7145144
red looks better but arms would need to be adjusted

>>7145064
But I'm not supposed to "learn how" to draw a hand, I'm supposed to learn seeing vs knowing . So naturally the best way is to try and draw the part of your body that's the hardest to draw.
Can you tell I fucking hate this book?
>>7145066
God I hope not
>>7145168
Pawell that is the exact same damn advice you gave me the other dozen of times.

>>7145186
Either the fingers in red are too short or the hand is really long and wrists unnaturally bent at a weird square. Even just doing the pose in the mirror will show you that anon drew it wrong

>>7145191
nigga im doing it right now, you need to see a doctor if youre having trouble doing a 90 degree wrist turn

>>7145193
No nigga, your wrists dont form 90 degree shapes like that because of the form of the wrist rounding it out in that pose. Are you being deliberately retarded?

>>7145198

>>7145183
you practically just changed the position of the arm
the palm is the same length as the longest finger, now
and just like the other guy I literally did this pose with my hands before and no, I dont need to see a doctor

>>7145199
Look at the wrists here, are you telling me that these look like the ref to you? The ref is much more round due to the wrist form turnning. Even if you want to depict it with a straight line, theres an extra angle change in there that anon depicting as sharp corners instead. lenngth of the fingers do not match the hand, even taking into account the perspective

>>7145201
it could be wrong side bone :|

>>7145201
are you a fatsu?
I literally have this bones in my hand

>>7145201
this is not the og drawing
you changed the perpective but not the proportion

>>7145206
I have bony hands as well, but my point still stands, the finger extended length is much shorter than the base of the hand length and the wrist shapes look awkward and like tumors to me. If you're adamant on having shitty hands then be my guest
>>7145207
That is anon's og redline which i disagreed with, didnt change a thing in that screenshot

>>7145127
I'm being extra nitpicky, but the cut of her bangs is slanted towards the left, and the comparatively thicker upper lashes of the furthermost eye make it appear just a tiny bit taller than the foreground one.

Also, I think that her face would look slightly better if the eye on the right were placed just a couple of pixels lower, so thay its alignment with the left one becomes "truly" horizontal.

Lastly, the highlights on both eyes are placed at different levels.

here's your tumor
it's terminal

just learned that you can change the line weight on CSP

And what I mean by the wrong side
I expect it to be kind of like that.
But I can't draw hands/

>>7145222
Yes, thank you this is what I was talking about. The angle change of the wrist, it's too abrupt for that pose, anon deliberately picked a different pose than both anon and the OG drawing and was acting retarded. >>7145214

The top and bottom of this study are like 5 months apart.
>repost from fake beg/int thread because dumb

>>7145140

~.~ I lost some of my old images cause my comp died but luckily I checked warosu and someone had reposted it on another thread, here's the settings for the custom brush I made a while back on sai 2.

For the taper effect I set my pen settings to max hard and made my pen size to max letting pressure determine how thick the lines would be. Sensitivity size is also 0 and at high hardness so a light touch should be able to give you a faded pixel even at large canvas/brush sizes

Thank you anon, I like to use as fewer single strokes ever since I saved up for the tablet, in the past I did do the erase think when I had a mouse lol hope this helps you.

>>7144963
>>7144883
>>7144866
Alright I'm back home rate the setup btw, this is the only drawing materials I have

Also I'll be taking your guy's advice very carefully thank you ill post my work soon

Long day

Big sword sketch

more color

rate

>>7145249
Ok ok so like
I'm gonna do this tomorrow cus it burned me out, I did it again with a different model and it didn't turn out great again, I'm Hella retarded and it made me overthinked similar to how I got burnt out from coding

here's it so far and I didn't like it I forgot to fill the page top from bottom and did it with a different model to train my eyes so I can learn instead of copying, I still don't understand how that anon did it with straight lines and I'm gonna study that Pic tomorrow

Thank you /beg/

>>7145257
Kim Jung Gi vibes
>>7145279
Nice work
>>7145284
Correct execution and final result. For a tricky head/face angle pose, that's pretty good.

hands 40/100
almost half now

>>7145292
Do it anon, become hands.

>>7145288
Cool ref image. I can't give a good critique because the way you took that photo tweaks the original proportions of your drawing due to the camera angle. So I don't know if her head is too small or her torso is too big, or it's just the angle of the camera giving that impression. But I like the way you did the silhouette, that's good, blocking shapes like that helps with doing much with less.
Keep up the good work anon.

>>7145279
Last bit for the night. Maybe Ill actually finish this one

>>7145292
the thumb connects wrong to the hand in most of these, also try applying more gesture when drawing the hands, they look a bit stiff

>>7145327
>top-middle head
>the right side of the front of its face
>only the left portion is shaded
I have very minimal knowledge of light theory, but if the right side of the face is being simplified as a series of divided planes all with the same angle/orientation, would they not receive the same sort of light or shade?

:/

>>7145361
Why is this drawing super comfy? I bet you're comfy while drawing it too anon.

>>7145213
your attention to parallel lines is inspiring

There's something about this lineart that makes it look like an amateurish trace, what is it?

>>7145065

Today's attempts.

>>7145339
I'm sleep deprived so don't quite understand your question but hopefully this helps.

>>7145339
you are mostly correct. this pencil scratch is mostly to emfasise edges , less to depict accurate lighting. if treated as light, it is incorrect and can't happen .

>>7145038

>>7145168
>she looks like she murders shotas and eats their corpses raw without seasoning
please don't say that again

What do I work on improving

>>7145554
choosing a subject that's not a stupid self-absorbed cunt

>>7145338
Next he'll say it looks right and pull up references showing you how you're wrong while proving you right :)

>>7145363
>>7145361
wake up babe, another 10zzz10 drawing just dropped

>>7145168
very nice

>>7145554
from here I would color your lines and render more

>>7145572
Then nobody would ever make a self portrait lol

Thoughts? Is this how you draw tummy?

>>7145544
Okay I'm no longer gonna follow that advice if this is all the feedback I'm gonna get

I hate criticism so much. Everytime someone tries to tell ME how they would make MY drawing better I just turn off. You think you're better than me? Draw it yourself then. Do it.

Then again they're sometimes not wrong, and that only makes me angrier. I think this will stop me from getting better.

>>7145618
ignore critique unless it comes paired with a decent redline
no need to get angry tho

>>7145592
The showcase is very much appreciated. Eye opening for me since I only just started using color,thanks

Okay so I tried copying one of the hands from the book.
It looks even worse. I'm not even gonna bother posting it because I know all I'll get is mockery.

>>7145618
Sometimes they do know better sometimes they don't. Better is also subjective but even beginners can spot obvious/objective mistakes, so it's good to hear them out sometimes. If the advice compromises your ideal look too much don't take it to heart.

Proportion/angle check? Right leg looks a bit weird to me

>>7145605
what's going on with that hand at the top there

Thoughts? I know the feet need some work but it was 2am and I had to wageslave today

>>7145622
imo redlines are a crutch, especially for begs, the redline might show them the correct way somethings is meant to be but they won't learn from it and internalize it the same way they would if they got critique and then fixed or tried to fix the drawing themselves

>>7145668
cute
the faces look pasted on, the hands also need work, and the hat girl's arms are of wildly different lengths

>>7145668
flex the small girl right arm more, i mean, more widespread, you made the forearm too long. Feet can be detailed later easily with references, same with the hands that are a little disproportionate. I think that's the most important things to look the rest work ok with the general image

>>7145668
hands and feet look godawful. suwako's arms are too long

>>7145670
i dont usually make redlines but for that reason i always write in the image to tell the things, because yeah redlines dont really tell you anything.

>>7145670
the redline is just a noise filter
preferable to miss out on a bit of good advice than to listen to retards

>>7145614
I gave you an entire section of feedback. Read the section of the book i posted and apply it. Your hatred of the material make it no less valid, and is like a baker hating a cook book because it doesn’t make delicious cakes in a fashion he favors. Anyway here’s some loomis you can complain about too.

>>7145668
Your hands aren’t up to the quality of the rest of your work

>>7145668
That foot as well, your bodies are nice and shapely.

>>7145288
try to also draw with long unbroken continuous lines, might help build confidence

>>7145668
Besides those small nitpicks great work anon, just need to get in that foot fag and hand master race practice to be solid.

>>7145140
Looks like generic G-pen brush

>>7145679
Look I already told you, the lesson isn't about learning to draw hands. This shit is useless to me right now. Do I have to post pages so you get it through your head?

>>7145696
What the fuck is this?

>>7145339
Yes, but visually it can be more complicated. Theres an optical illusion near hard edges where because of the contrast between the light and dark planes, the edge touching the light plane will appear darker than the rest and especially the edge of the same place but next to a darker one. Idk if it makes sense written like this but basically its a contrast thing. It can be stylistically rendered like he did

>>7145700
It's from KtD, the book I said I'm working with, the one literally everybody here keeps recommending.

>>7145709
I see where bert’s coming from but don’t think this will be very helpful without some understanding of form, like all his examples from students of “various skill” have some ingrained knowledge of how a hand is put together, what it’s proportions are, and so drawing it via this method is more constructive to their development as an artist.

>>7145720
this is an observation exercise, an anti-symbol drawing exercise. you don't need to know about hand forms you need to draw what you see.

>>7145722
I can’t really you get better at this exercise as i find this exercise hogwash for beginners, In my opinion you need to practice copying things as precisely as you can and then worry about what ever this is later once you’ve grasp some basic capability to draw.

>>7145554
Clean up the lines? looks pretty good

>>7145494
>you are mostly correct
and where am I incorrect? I don't say that in a hostile way, I just want to gain a better understanding of light theory (as I am a /beg/let, as previously mentioned).

>>7144590
Another one today. Ik it's still very beg but somewhat of an improvement maybe? I think I'm drawing the cheeks kinda weird, plus I'm still having some trouble making the eyes look the same (and not uncanny)

>>7145744
use ref

>>7145730
Okay so if I'm not supposed to start with this what the hell do I start with?

>>7145745
This was with a ref lol
I mostly use photo references, are drawn references better?

>>7145671
>>7145672
>>7145674
>>7145681
>>7145687
Wow thanks. It's a lot of good feedback. I noticed something was wrong with the arms of the little one too, but I couldn't figure what. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction with that .

Regarding hands, I used to do pose practice with that Posemaniacs hand 3d viewer but I stopped, I need to that again and maybe go for a construction approach too since I often get comments about my hands being worse than the rest. But they are so hard mang I still don't get them fully.

Once again. Thanks a lot for the feedback!! I really appreciate it.

>>7145736
in real reality, value on any plane most of the time will be gradient for reasons, even if it's hard to notice. But value change==plane change is a good/smart/useful way to treat direct light.

>>7145751
post the ref
both are good to practice, line drawings are easier to copy

>>7145758
Here's what i used

hello lisaheads

>>7145763
idk why it got so fucking compressed

>>7145750
Start with the greeks

>>7145761
for self-critique, overlay your drawing to your ref; adjusting its size to minimize deviation (but keeping its original width/height ratio)
a common issue when starting out is to place the facial features too high in the face, which you can see in pic related
the features are also too big, which is another common mistake

>>7145755
that makes sense, particularly when you think about reflected light. thanks.

>>7145773
Oh I see, thanks for the tip, I gotta do this more. Would starting on a bit bigger format help help with the size of the features or not really? I'm using a small notebook, maybe that's why i struggle for example making the eyes smaller (here's pic for size reference)

>>7145789
yeah seems a bit small, try at least an A4 starting out
forgot to mention, make sure you take the photo perpendicular to the drawing, to avoid perspective distortion which might mislead the overlay step

>>7145793
Alright noted. Thanks again!

A rough outline of where I plan to do the shading. Going for a more stylized shadows look like persona or comic books. Any crits on that?

ignore the line art it's just a test and the batman owlman drawing.

>>7145618
what an egoistic manchild
ngmi
>>7145768
cool

I can't come up with anything original

Well I can but it looks like absolute shit. i'd rather just study fundies.

I was out all day so I finally tried drawing from life instead of just doing quick book studies. felt kind of nice.
What do you think?

>>7145797
Are you going to do some hatching to define your forms?

>>7145806
I love doing soft sketches of trees its very relaxing

>>7145618
No hope of making it. Will forever do begtier coomshit like sonichu and never improve

>>7145750
Continue.
Reading.
Keys.
To drawing.
The book teaches observational drawing. Observation is essential to every artist. Please keep reading.

>>7145797
>>7145806
nah, here is some references for the style

>>7145554
whatever you want, but remember that you need to keep the consistency in the shit that's all, if you are gonna make shadows keep them logical, dont use blurred brushes if you are not gonna do realism or shit, and if you do then keep them delimited as you do cel-shading with a hard brush, defining the shapes correctly and not randomly.
The most easy to do right know should be taking more time to do correctly the lines, for the painting yeah any way you want, with a solid linework should look ok as long as you don't start inventing things.

>>7145834

>>7145632
Well said.

>>7145834
which moriko artist are you

Iam still NGMI so fuck your shit thread

>>7145870
you always will be with that attitude

>>7145826
But apparently I need to learn form before I can do that..
So I ask again: Where the hell do I start?

>>7145880
You start by just doing whatever you want there's no correct way now grind ktd or forms, stop being a howie

I'm so proud of the howie that he's still able to get these retards to give out (You)s. It's an honest grind.

>NOOOOOO U CANT JUST USE SOMEONE ELSES PROPORTIONS AND CLAIM THEM AS YOURE OWN

hahaha scp 3d head go brrrrr

>>7145826
that book helped me but i still cant draw gesture. my cartoons look stiff...

i might be doing something wrong. i need to improve my observational skills as well.

>>7145084
Thanks man. tried to some of the poses from memory, not really satisfied with the result (surprisingly I find it harder than doing a pose from imagination) but seems like a fun exercise.

>>7145886
Anon I'm gonna be as clear with you as possible:
I tried doing my own thing first, all that happened was that people kept pestering me to KtD. So I did that and got told that I'm shit at it. So tried doing my own thing again and guess what fucking happened?
So it would be really nice to get some advice that doesn't put me in a fucking loop.

>>7145889
But how does he do it?

do any of you anons have low self-esteem when it comes to drawing? how do you deal with it

>>7145926
crabs just make me want to continue out of spite

>>7145926
Anti depressants and alcohol !

>>7145926
Complaining, apparently

>>7145926
It comes and goes. Sometimes I feel I can draw the hottest anime bitches and sometimes I feel like a complete fraud drawing shitty scribbles

>>7145904
the first pose is completely meaningless

>>7145412
I attempted a few changes

>>7145934
meaningless as in ‘failed to make it remotely close’?

>>7145910
Continue KtD and leave this place. Maybe come back when you have finished the book.
Not a joke.
Don't answer. Just go draw Howie.

>>7145947
Don't reply to the "meaningless pose" anon.

>>7145948
Okay sure excellent idea, continue with the book that I'm struggling with. Surely putting myself through mental exhaust will help my skllls improve.

>>7145947
as in the pose is bad and shouldn't be drawn because it's awkward and unnatural. No person/character imaginable would do this in any scenario, it's just "pose reference pack" slop

>>7145625
I'm gonna steal your bat loli and make her into a full character design ;]

>>7144387
Is that Love Life Drawing thing in the OP actually worth it?

more color

thoughts

>>7145968
Nothing was ever learned without struggle, my weakling friend

>want to draw something original
>have few to no fucking creativity
how do i cope or fix this

>>7146041
draw some cool rocks

when i zoom out of the picture, the girl on the right looks like a serene old man and it's driving me nuts

>>7146044
that looks like an elephant

Will copying photos help you improve?

guys what is the secret behind cute anime girls?
i cant draw them anymore and i feel more depressed every day

>>7145904
You are still symbol drawing anon. You have to draw what you see and not let your brain fill in the gaps.

Try observing a line, and trying to draw that exact angle. Check your line against the reference and do this a bunch of times until you can draw the angle you see.

I just did a quick example of one part of one of your drawings. If you don't fix this now you won't see improvement no matter how many studies you grind. Much of her arm is obscured because it is angled towards the camera, so you unconsciously shifted it to face more downward and sideways, which effects the placement of her other arm and chest

I don't really want to do a redline of the whole figure because it is better for you to fix your brain first and I'm also lazy

Critique please. I'm trying to draw an OC I left in my brain for too long. I spent most of my time drawing a different one over and over and I think I should just knuckle down and draw every one of them rather than neglect them to the point their design is lost to me. I still haven't grasped the basics but as long as I can burn through a sketchbook and not feel like it's a total waste of paper I'm satisfied with any progress accumulated.

>>7145427

>>7146115
my fwarking hero

I can't draw folds, they always look awkward
I read a few books on folds and I sometimes copy from reference
but when I use my imagination (pic related) they always look weird
I don't want to use references all the time

>>7146126
another example, they look awkward
I want to be good enough to be able to draw a short comic or manga
what are some artists who know really well how to simplify folds and all that

>>7146025
But I shouldn't be struggling with the fucking beginner book now should I?
For the love of God just recommend me something I don't want to do this book anymore, all it's doing is making me aggravated.

>>7146130
wut?

>>7146132
allow me to translate, "wah wah wah wah wah"

>>7146130
Your two options are to
>Power through
>Quit
Only one of them will lead you to getting better at art. There's nothing else to be said besides empty platitudes.

>>7146130
>I shouldn't be struggling with the fucking beginner book now, should I?
/int/ here
that's normal, the beginning is the hardest part, it gets easier from there (until you plateau, and you stop seeing gains and you feel burnt out)
beginners books are super hard in my opinion, there's no way a person without any experience can make perfect copies of these drawings
keep going, you're like a newborn deer, the first steps are always awkward

>>7146143
>>7146144
stop replying to the resident schizo you fucking retards

>>7136075
Which artists are your main inspiration?
>>7144396
Do you go by anything or is it just this here gen?

>>7144387
>Keys to drawing
>Art and science of drawing
>Draw a box (Lesson 0-2)
>(YOUR RECC HERE)
Where the FUCK should i start, is had a passing read of the first two and they are different philosphies.

>>7146157
I hate saying it but just draw
Do something you wanna do and actually put effort, it lets u see what u need to work on

>>7146152
Yoh Yoshinari
Viktor Kalvachev
Ching Yeh
Pietro Antognioni

Off the top of my head. There's a lot more.

Took a bit of a break from faces and tried drawing some poses from a drawn reference, just trying to copy the ref as close as I could. Really enjoyed it

>>7146152
>Which artists are your main inspiration?
Yoh Yoshinari
Viktor Kalvachev
Ching Yeh
Pietro Antognioni

Off the top of my head. There's a lot more.

>>7146157
I literally just started drawing for the first time ever (ignoring scribbles made as a toddler or whatever) using a family member's tablet and chose Keys to Drawing.

>>7146143
>>7146144
So there really is no other way then huh?
God I don't wanna quit, but fuck I might have to.

>>7146253
based. keep it up and keep drawing instead of lamenting over "how?"

I do a little Dodson or Everson or Bridgman hoping to get "better" one day. My accuracy is good but my other fundamentals are lacking and I don't make any art of my own, just copies and lessons.
It's been a year of this.
Now I start to think that my goal is one day to paint.
but I've never tried. I don't even feel I can draw; I'm sure I have to be able to draw first, but I doubt I'll reach a fixed point where I think "Okay, now I know how to draw, time to learn to paint."

>>7146264
Nice self reply fuckhead.

>>7146157
what do you want to draw

>>7146253
> He can't even draw the shoes
Yeah you're NGMI

>>7146280
Comics so i have to have knowledge of all main types of drawing i suppose.

>>7146286
try to draw a comic

>>7146135
I'm asking for shit that's not KtD, but apparently that's too much for you dumbasses

make a new damn thread already pawell

>haven't tried to do anything artistic in 10 years
>get gifted a tablet
>try doing some fanart for a vtuber i like
>worthlesly spent the last 6 hours on this, when i have work and finals to study for
There it is, that feeling of worthlessness that caused me to stop. I get its been a decade with no practice, and its digital which i've done tried all of 5 times so I shouldn't be upset, but man its like every feeling just rushed back and its somehow fucking worse
>have no confidence in my lines so i chicken scratch everything
>even with reference next to the image, still cant get the proportions right
>I do not understand digital media so the attempts at coloring are even more pathetic
at least mischief is cool, I always hated zooming in and being met with pixels.

>>7146553
You're just expecting way too much of yourself up front. You need to strike a balance and have fun with drawing, be more loose, let yourself fail more. I can tell that you hone in extremely hard and obsess with perfection in mind. I recommend aiming for more sketches rather than focusing on one for hour, you won't get as much mileage tweaking pixel even though it can be addicting. Of course you'll get frustrated if your expectations exceed your skill. Even minor practice benefits you immensely and you already know what work needs to be done just take it one at a time. boob too high but that can be fixed in 2 seconds flat with digital, I like it.

>>7146553
it looks good but I can't see anything :/

Sketch from imagination

hyperbeg

>>7146704
they’re straight enough

>>7146906
I forgot to put /beg/ and /int/ in the subject I'm killing myself