/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I won’t be contributing to this thread because I was told I was NGMI so there’s no point.

>>7134169
And you're going to let the crab naysayers win, just like that?

Reminder: Ignore art with missing or irrelevant text, impractical critique, remade drawings solely intended to showcase apparent superior skill, bait, etc.

The answer is always Keys to Drawing.

>>7134172
The irony is off the charts in this one.

/beg/ is devolving into /perma-prebeg/

>>7134161
Lmao great op pic

>>7134175
That’s me!

>>7134175
>no work posted

Trying color
Oh fck, neck too long

>>7134171
I keep getting told there are no crabs here. Just people who don’t engage in faggy hugboxes.

Wow finally made it to OP

I will contribute to this thread because even when I was told I am a NGMI I will still try to improve my drawing skills.

>>7134186
you have a style that would've hooked me like crack on Tumblr if it was fanart of a character I like
captcha: hats

>>7134194
You can make it, but you NEED to study fundamentals and *actual* anatomy, and not make excuses about how you only want to make fanart or stylized characters

>>7134197
>you NEED to study fundamentals and *actual* anatomy
Factually incorrect. But it would definitely help, that much is true.

>>7134194
Tried drawing the cancan lady and got absolutely filtered Fvvvvvck thought i was high-beg

No reference. Feeling happy about it. Am I gmi

>>7134229
>Am I gmi
Not until you actually study references

I really like to do forced perspective (?) even though I do not understand it completely.

>>7134241
I don’t think forced perspective is a thing in art. It’s a term for movies where they dress the set or place actors in ways to trick the eye into thinking there’s perspective that isn’t really there. If youre drawing in some angle, that’s what you’re drawing. It’s not “forced.”

>>7134209
More like the can't can't lady, huh?

>>7134186
then shorten it retard
it's not like this is some sort of incredibly detailed piece where moving the head down would ruin a bunch of things

>>7134250
Sharrap

>>7134248
Oh okay good to know. I just assumed it was a thing because I would look for the term when I wanted inspiration.

It took me 20 minutes but I think this gesture drawing is kind of lacking please redline.

>>7134209
I think its pretty nice for such a short time, mine took almost 12 hours because i draw super slow.

would appreciate any feedback

>>7134269
>no ground plane
ANON PLEASE

Does anyone have keys to drawing by dodson pdf

>>7134272
libgen

grils again

gonna do 60 more long poses to understand bodies, feels awful

>>7134161
Is Bocchi's feet alright?
I feel like it can be improve

First time I've inked an art piece of mines. Used sakura microns, a little bit of the platinum preppy fine i got recently, and copic neutral greys

>>7134272

I still don't know if copying stuff all the time works but it's better than not doing anything at all I guess

I did art daily for a week or two but stopped after felling very frustrated. I am looking back at what i drew then and what i can do now and for the most part i got a little better but still picrel encapsulates my feelings exactly when i look at my drawings now. Everyone always says to do loomies and stuff like that but i dont get it, how am i supposed to draw like the guy who made the book? Am i supposed to grind one page until perfection and then move on to the next? I am just kinda confused can anyone help me out?

>>7134365
I have also tried something more anime like from time to time 98% of my attempts are trash.

>>7134365
>>7134369
Go find an image you like and copy it. If you like anime then copy an anime screenshot or manga panel. Use the principles Loomis teaches while doing so.

>>7134374
可愛い宇宙人!

>>7134376
>Go find an image you like and copy it.
>Use the principles Loomis teaches while doing so.
That is exactly what i have been doing for my grind weed but i feel like i have stagnated. A few months after not doing anything and i still feel like i am drawing the same thing over and over again...

>>7134365
>>7134369

Try this for anime

>>7134241
what are you reading to study perspective?

>>7134382
Post one of your copies. >>7134369 doesn't look like one

Is wanting to be cool on Twitter a good source of motivation?

Here you go. Also >>7134369 Is a copy https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=8541652&tags=orenji_%28wholesomeorenji%29 .

>>7134388
I am not really interested in anime but i want to try different things. I like that gritty style that darkest dungeon and old Bismark caricatures have.
When i drew these i did loomies and drew what i wanted but then glanced over to the references to see how the features were drawn there.

>>7134389
I read perspective made easy and beyond that just youtube tutorials. Sometimes I use boxes and planes to map stuff out before i draw but not all the time.

>>7134399
And here is what i consider "peak". My main motivation currently is that there is still enough time for me to reach it but i should actually climb to it even if my month long pause shows the opposite.

>>7134399
I don't think the top copy is so bad, but maybe you should try getting a more accurate copy by eschewing the Loomis construction method and copying the contours of the image instead. If you haven't done that before then read the first chapter of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain if you haven't already. Maybe try getting an accurate copy by copying the contours of an image, and then try drawing the same character from another angle with the Loomis method. Try doing that with the topmost image there; copy the contours as accurately as you can, spending as much time as it needs, and then draw the guy facing forward or some other angle with construction.

I've been unable to draw for a few days due to some bad mental issues, but I am coming out of it now but...damn this wasn't fun.

I feel out of practice with drawing head shapes, so my head shapes are OFF as fuck. I also struggled to draw her breasts, them always looking symbool and shit, which was frustrating to sort out and took me forever.

I often just struggle to figure out what I am doing wrong. I also find drawing people so boring, but I keep thinking you guys will scold me for not doing so.

Why did someone suggest I should study other pictures rather than draw from life? No one gave me an answer for that.

How do you guys bring yourself to sit down and draw? I guess it's just forcing an habit or you do it at your own volition?

>>7134426
Both.

Use volition to build a habit, one small piece at a time. Force yourself to draw for one minute a day, then two minutes, then three, etc. That's an extreme example, but generally if you get started with a small goal and achieve it, you're likely to repeat it.

Eventually it becomes a habit. Art is addictive and a huge source of dopamine. Eventually you'll have to draw to shake that feeling of malaise, and then you'll want to live inside the 'feeling' of drawing forever.

That's when you're hooked, for better or worse. Once it's a habit, it actually becomes more difficult to stop.

>>7134409
Yeah another method sounds like it could help. The pure loomies spark kinda extinguished for me. Thanks for the advice, and you too >>7134388.

>>7134432
Started doing some draws from the poses posted in this thread and i was doing daily till i tried to actually build fundations. So started with keys to drawing book thingy and have to start with the lessons and since the day i actually promise myself that i never even started with lesson 1 and just left drawing altogether.

>>7134409
>yeah bro just contour draw
the fucking crabs on this website i swear to god

>>7134437
Please give your own advice my friend

>>7134441
Have you tried drawabox.com?

>>7134421
>Why did someone suggest I should study other pictures rather than draw from life? No one gave me an answer for that.
why don't you try it? see for yourself.

>>7134374

>>7134449
I just want an explanation.

I thought it was "Draw from real life, draw cartoony/anime characters better".

>>7134409
>>7134433
BTW I am retarded, I don't mean contours as in the outline of the image I mean literally copy all of the pencil strokes of the original artist as accurately as you can not just the contour

All i could manage in 2 hours, at this rate it'll be 2025 by the time i finish this book.

Should i draw today? If so, why and what?

Take the "try again tomorrow" pill

>>7134508
You should Draw a Cutie

>>7134516
My skills aren't good enough for that. At all.

Ah, you're the howie, my apologies. Carry on

Any trad chads here?

>>7134521
Well do you not want your skills to get there? Just give it a shot, it doesn't have to be good, that's not the point. Look at this MS paint drawing anon, do you think you'd like to get better than this? You can't do it without drawing. Here's the other thing, you don't even have to post it if you don't want to. I just want you to try something today.

>>7134525
I'm just a beg wwho doesn't want to draw sexy ladies before i can draw well.

I don't think it's all that crazy. Isn't it how most people do this?

>>7134538
You can only draw well by drawing stuff badly, Anon. picrel; my bad sketches in an attempt to improve drawing a character.

>>7134557
Yea but i can draw things that are less cringy when drawn by an unskilled dude. Like cubes and stuff.

It's really embarassing to fail at creative avenues, because they're supposed to be a window into your heart and stuff.
If you fail at that it's like you failed at being a person

>>7134560
Then draw a cube! Simple as. Just keep in mind you can't improve without venturing out of your comfort zone.

>>7134527
I really like your lines, and the eyes, very nice :)
The shading on the ear is also a really great detail.

honestly like my second nsfw work also i played clash of clans peak game

>>7134254
I noticed after finish it

So can I post my work in here and have someone who actually knows what they're talking about give me feedback, or will I only be getting feedback from other /begs/?

>>7134682
you get what you pay for
if you want quality feedback go pay 125 bucks to Mr Hampton

>>7134682
A little from column A, a little from column B.
There's got to be someone in here better than you.

First time ever drawing a person, I just did what Keys to Drawing said and this came out

>>7134680
neck not long enough

>>7134729
not bad in terms of the placements of the figure all things considered, but there are still some obvious mistakes. e.g., the height of the feet, the lateral placement of the left foot in relation to the head, and the placement of the inside of the knee in relation to the arm.

is drawing a drawing that you're looking at without tracing a good way to practice, or is it just lazy?

>>7134756
and the original, i definitely fucked up the proportions again even though im getting a little better

>>7134756
>>7134758
both are fucked
you'll be learning mistakes if you decide to reference that

>>7134766
oh ok thanks, my eye isn't good enough to tell
i'll go back to drawing real world things

tried a little variety today
>>7134516
good ref, I used it
>>7134729
looks promising, look for an instructor like Vilppu and start with gesture, this is the first step to drawing people

>>7134780
cool

Sup beg, yesterday i failed to draw and today i did only 10 heads. It is over.

>>7134780
my only cope was that you can only draw coom women. but it appears you can draw well anything. i kneel
>>7134756
thats called drawing from reference and it is the only way for begs to improve
>>7134680
nice
>>7134583
you just drop soul after soul with each piece. go illustrate some children books, the style fits it perfectly
>>7134399
>>7134369
you arent drawing what you see, you need keys to drawing
>>7134398
no, social slop is horrible motivator, because you will nonstop see people with shitton of likes / followers who are worse than you. to be good at social slop you need to be good at playing the social slop, drawing is like optional
>>7134322
very nice though easy nitpick: no shading on skin = flat
>>7134301
booba
>>7134272
annas-archive.org/search?q=keys+to+drawing
>>7134241
the term you are looking for is extreme perspective
>>7134194
nice, soul
>>7134729
there are beg flaws all around, but all will be fixed over time by simply drawing more. you are on right path. keep drawing!

>make a bad drawing
>"I fucking hate drawing"
>make a decent drawing
>"Wow I'm learning I like drawing"
Is there something wrong with me

>>7134803
yeah, you think some of your drawings arent bad

>>7134194
Permeprebeg shit, looks fucking awful. Wrong anatomy, lazy tranime style as a crutch to hide from inability to draw faces, perspective is off, you're NGMI-tier.

>>7134802
just curious, what doe these watermarks in the corner? are you making these up or getting these from somewhere? I find it interesting you have a new one on every post

>>7134805
The cope is real with this one

>>7134804
Haha true, but I just want to improve is all

>>7134803
>is there something wrong with me?
not with (you), exactly, just your understanding of your emotions - probably. it's probably not the act of drawing per se that you hate when you draw something bad, but the fact that you want to draw something which is cool, beautiful, funny - whatever goal you happened to have in mind when drawing - and you didn't reach it. you hate your failure but rationalize it as hating the act of drawing itself. and obviously you're going to feel good to the extent that you reach your goal (though it isn't necessarily that simple). when first took up drawing 8 years ago I hated virtually everything I drew and didn't know what I was doing, so I quit in a bout a full month. I took it up again 3~ years ago and I generally enjoy the process - even if I don't necessarily like the finished work. once I started to see the "fruits of my labor" I found the whole thing to be more enjoyable and I felt confident in my ability to work towards my long-term art goals. sometimes seeing progress is what it takes to feel confident in the things we do, that's quite a human thing as far as I can tell.

...pawell must be trolling

>>7134805
drawing anime faces is twice as difficult as normal faces

>>7134802
You are in no position to be offering critiques if those abominations are your drawings.

>>7134813
soul skull

Pawell telling others they're not drawing what they see.

>>7134810
Sometimes I just like process because I think I'm making something good but other times I think "How could a human being create this, an elementary school art project mogs this shit"
I don't want to give up though because I know I want to do this

gg

>>7134241
I remember you, you're the one with that disgusting tranny OC that got shat on a few months ago.

>>7134780
Do you have any tips for improving line art? Nice job by the way

>>7134802
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

>>7134820
>other times I think "How could a human being create this, an elementary school art project mogs this shit"
I get what you mean. I do not want to equate myself with you necessarily, but for most of my life I have had a tendency to be immediately critical of myself whenever I do something poorly. I don't mean this in a literal sense, but what has helped me has been to be "schizophrenic" about these negative emotions. it seems like you know what your long-term goals are, with whatever degree of clarity
>I know I want to do this
which is good, so you should remind yourself of this in those moments. but it might also be good to try (and keep trying, should you fail) to recognize these emotions when they arise as transient and contrary to your ultimate goal(s). perhaps it is impossible to snap your finger and get rid of them for the rest of your life, but you can build a habit of seeing them as merely passing thoughts/emotions and continue to work on your craft - that is realistically all you can do. it may seem weird, but I look forward to those moments, as it offers me another opportunity to better deal with those emotions and draw in spite of them. there will be good days, there will be bad: if you know your long-term goals, and you truly want to reach them, you will put in the work necessary.

>>7134835
This book filtered Pawell

>>7134827
trace hd manga/doujins pages(like pic rel) using a gpen
It's a good way to see how professional artists use lineweight and simplifications

>>7134175
eh beg has always been 50% beg, 40% int and 10% humblebragging pro level

HALP HOW TO PROCEED I CANT DRAW THE OWL

>>7134802
>>7134813
>>7134817
>>7134835
>>7134840
>you arent drawing what you see, you need keys to drawing
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

>>7134844
I can't seem to draw smooth lines so it my work looks like a 5 year old drew it.

>>7134844
>>7134849
Smooth lines will not make it better.

>>7134805
O-ok...

>>7134454
Well... drawing a real life head/face isn't going to magically make you better at drawing an anime head... it will, however improve your skill at drawing overall and give you a better understanding of how to draw things. And for the most part the only difference between real and anime is the head. I am assuming you're referring to anime by "cartoony". Because western cartoons can have some wild proportions.
>>7134421
If you don't want to draw people then don't? Also, you're just new. You need to grind it out. If you, lets say 100 of those and compare the first to the last, you will see a huge difference. Even more so at 1000. Drawing is a life long hobby...

>>7134780
My dream is to be able to draw as good as you anon. How long have you been practicing?

How do you guys make your circles so perfect? I cant even get perspective right, my lines are all wobbly. It's driving me insane.
I've been learning since Friday and i can't even draw a straight line

>>7134851
Yea, probably need to pay more attention to line thickness and learn more about anatomy. Plus learn how to colour/shade properly cause it seems to actually look worse in colour.

>>7134454
neither is wrong, they can provide you different things that both go towards making a better drawing, both are going to improve your observation if you are meticulous about it.
>real life
see forms, how light interacts with them, how your own perception interprets light, change viewing angle easily
>other drawings
see how other people interpret real life forms into marks and shorthands, their design choices like simplification and composition

>>7134854
in a serious way since 2019, that was when I bought a cheap tablet
your drawings get better as time passes, there are no shortcuts
picrel was one of my first digital drawings
If you continually draw what you like, I know you will improve, so no worries

>>7134858
just use the ellipse tool

>>7134813
Okay this definitely convinces me to stop listening to him and quit KtD

>>7134858
Sir, your smoothing?

I finished this yesterday and I'm having a hard time feeling satisfied with it. What could I have done to not have the face and hands look so bad compared to everything else? It feels like every drawing I make, the hands and the face are always the parts bringing it down. It gets to the point where I would spend an hour on a single hand, adjusting and erasing over and over because I don't know how to fix what's wrong with it even when looking at references. After a certain point I just give up and half-ass it and move on to something else

>>7134880
use whatever resources you want, but a resource isn't invalid because one person used it and isn't good. take any moderately to well-known instructional art book or course, you will necessarily find people who still suck after having gone through it. perhaps the content itself is bad, but it could simply be that people haven't properly applied the teachings.

>>7134875
Thanks anon! Ill keep practicing then! I have an ipad pro i use for music production, but i wanted to get into art since a while ago so i bought the pen and have been using clip studio for a week practicing scott robertson. Im too scared to jump to humans and fuck shit up desu. (But i wanna draw sexy waifus like you did. )

>>7134780
>>7134875
Do you have any tips when drawing heads senpai? Pic related is a Seibah I attempted at, always love your work when you post!

>>7134913
Oh forgot to mention, I'm struggling with the proportions on the cheek area mostly

>>7134889
I honestly dont care about the hands because I am looking at the ass.

>>7134893
No, KtD definitely isn't working for me.
Honestly I think need something more step-by-step, or at least something with a less steep learning curve.

>>7134920
I've only gone through half, but it helped me to be less worried about necessarily needing structure to draw something and how to measure/verify the placement and proportions of my drawings. but by all means, there certainly could be more advantageous books out there for ya. all the best.

>>7134815
At least he gives critiques to non-coom art. Gotta take what you can get past a certain point.

>>7134780
Post more waifus please. I need inspiration from someone whos not famous.

>>7134913
Cute saber, the head you made is proportional in general
the cheeks depend on the style but in general the curvature starts to become more pronounced between the nose and mouth
I have this old study that I had done on heads
Note that to get a more manga style, I changed the eyebrow measurement to the eye measurement.
I had seen some good material about heads, I'll see if I can find it again

:<

art's hard
i wish i could spend all day drawing tomorrow but i have to go to work...

>>7134913
I found it

>>7134889
maybe something like this?

>>7134889
my bad, posted wrong size

>>7134939
aww ;_;

>>7134927
There are these figures that I posted in previous threads

>>7134938
Got one for bodies?

>>7134944
Where did you get the inspiration for nipples like that? I've not seen something like that yet. All "guides" i've seen are for western type nipples. Which just arent button enough like yours. 10/10 keep up the good work anon!

>>7134919
I appreciate it

>>7134942
Very nice adjustment. It captures her likeness a lot more. I think maybe that was part of why it looked off to me, the lack of likeness. How do you go about doing that?

>>7134875
>>7134944
Got anything from each year? Like a yearly milestone, to see your progress? Cause this is crazy good!

>>7134944
Not that anon, but an earlier anon was asking about heads - I saved this on November 23, 2022 (I believe this is coom-senpai's older work)

>>7134946
I follow this one for female bodies
>>7134949
doujin artists like trylsc and blue gk
trylsc is literally the bridgman for sexy girls
picril is also from him
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/69214448#1
>>7134954
I don't have a ready-made image, but I can post some of my old work
>>7134955
I remember that, it's an old study of mine kek

>>7134964
another one

>>7134968
>>7134964
how concerned are you with anatomy? did you study muscle groups or are you more of a proportions and shapes sort of guy

>>7134950
>How do you go about doing that?
accuracy in proportions and shape design, i.e. plain old observational drawing
/ic/ has the wrong idea that it's just for begs, when it's the core of it all (along with perspective/structure)

I really like the rest of your painting; study faces for a while and you'll have something great

>>7134955
>>7134964
>>7134954
I saved this on December 20, 2022

>>7134930
Many thanks sempai for your redline!
Do you have any resources/tips for hair? Once again thank you

>>7134964
>>7134968
Are these from try's patreon? I remember seeing him posting this recently

>>7134972
knowing the muscles well is more important for male figures since they have more defined muscles, you can kind of get away with the female figure if you know the shapes and rhythms of the body
From what I studied, I concluded that Scott Eaton's course and the book Stonehouse are everything you need to know anatomy

>>7134975
It's from his patreon
He's not very active nowadays but there are a lot of old studies of his on anatomy there

for hair, this book helped me but I'm still not good with hair
https://e-hentai.org/g/2020878/451625d3e6/
It's in Japanese but just from the pictures you can learn a lot

>>7134955
These are great. Saving as well
>>7134964
>>7134968
Thanks! I’m saving this! <3

>>7134560
If you're too embarrassed to fail at doing something then you're ngmi. Over 90% of all of your drawings--ever--will be failures.

>>7134802
Fuck you, you god damn mother fucker whi fucks mothers because you’re a worthless piece of mother fucking shit every post makes me so angry for some reason I hope you get raped to death by a pack of feral niggers and get faggot aids and then bleed from your butthole until you oh and you’re art is shit.

>>7134369
it's like you're not really understanding the purpose for drawing a ball and lines through it

>>7134875
What did you learn when starting off?
Perspective or anatomy or shapes?
I dont know how to even get to doing something as good as what you made then.

>decide to learn to draw
>work solidly every day for six months
>surprise myself with my progress
>drop it and don't draw for three years
I'm not even mad at myself for this honestly, I just want to know how to never let it happen again.

>>7134988
The first thing I did was watch the vilppu figure drawing course, those old videos that are in the video course thread.
Then I started watching anatomy videos like proko and scott eaton and following along using a good anatomy book like stonehouse and morpho
For perspective I just watched those 10 Marshall videos and read perspective made easy
But to be honest, I don't remember much about the perspective videos.
What helped me a lot with anatomy was copying TRY's studies(picrel) and also copy the character sheets I found on his pixiv

>>7134802
I love you powell

Pawell you are gonna make it

>>7134974
>>7134451

>>7135010
Thank you anon!

>there are an unlimited amount of how to draw weeb-shit tutorials, and books
>bitches be drooling over a few study sheets

>>7135054
>following tutorials instead of seeing study sheets and making your own inspired by those study sheets.

SHIGGYDIGGY

ignore hands, I tried coloring with flat colors+light layers pretty happy with the results

>>7135045
Can someone draw this?

>>7135075
you made the butt better than the original source, nice

:/

>>7135084
kek. saved

>>7134516
Not perfect, but I thought she has a cool wavy gesture in her pose

>>7135084
lmao

>>7135105
try this

>>7135105
This one is also easier for grasping female anatomy

>>7135105
and if you want something more in that angle, here she is in the same session

>>7134583
Thanks anon

What materials are good for learning posing?

>>7135151
I like this, just dont hide hands

>>7135151
bro I don't mean to be rude but at this point you may just leave it to AI

>>7134161

Can anyone guess who this is?

>>7135211
IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING SKYRIMG REFERENCE

>>7135212
No, it's a semi historical semi mythical reference

>>7134920

>>7134924
Yeah, I'm gonna try and look around and find something else.
IDK what would work though, think I've tried all the basic ones people here keep recommending.

>>7135216
Okay now give me some non-Pawell recommendations cause I'm done listening to him.

>>7135216
lol, this guide is shat out by this retard >>7134802
don't take this image seriously

>>7135218
If Loomis doesn't work for you then just give up on studying from books altogether and just draw what you like

grils

reminder that anyone who tells you not to study anatomy is a crab. wasted a few weeks on useless bull crap and i regret it, but i will now be studying the body part by part.

>>713472
Tried again today, don't ask me to draw hands

>>7135235
Y'know thinking about it Loomis is the one I haven't really tried, so yeah I'll give it a shot.

If im learning, can I start with digital instead of paper?

>>7135305
paper gives you more understanding of what happens when you draw

>>7135312
isnt the same if u are holding the pen but with a digital table?

Something seems off or misaligned about this, how should i fix it?

>>7135320
no

>>7135305
You can but do not need to. I would say to have at least half of a year of paper for several reasons.

>>7135340
nta
what happens if u go full digital without any paper experience?

>>7135336
her back is attached like 20 degrees off

>>7135305
In paper you cant "undo", "zoom in/out", take a whole part of an image and move it somewhere else, resize etc. So it teaches you to be more careful

>>7135353
you spend more time ctrl-z'ing than drawing

Give me drawing exercises to learn how to not be shit please thanks

>>7134780
Those torsos are WAY too short

>>7135356
>it teaches you
to waste paper

>>7135368
fun with a pencil

>>7135368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5AV42mgAe0&t=124s

>>7135377
doodling on a piece of paper is infinitely more productive than any other use that paper was destined for

>>7135368
Illustrator of Peanuts comics Charles Schulz would spend hours drawing objects in 3’s. Like a little cartoon carrot he would draw then attempt to replicate identically twice more. Then onto a little dog or ice cream cone or mail box or book or cake or castle or snail or a flag or worm or wedge of cheese or watch or baseball bat or yo-yo... you get the idea. It’s a good exercise to just practice making the lines you just made naturally, so train to make lines you intend. This is a slightly less boring version of attempting to draw circles over and over again.

>>7135378
>>7135380
>>7135385
Thank you I will check this out and report back in a couple of weeks

La creatura :)

#_#

>>7135410
Thanks anon that helps a lot!

5 more and i give up

>>7135416
I advise not to rely on it for anything. It's more fore fun than something I believe is correct.

>>7135216
>>7135218
>>7135232
Some of these books are solid, and I will never stop recommending Keys to drawing to beginners.
It's not wise to ignore legitimately good book recommendations just because 1 (one) person that recommends them isn't skilled and doesn't have good reputation.
It costs nothing to quickly scroll through the pages to see what they are about.

>>7135378
I wouldn't recommend a book with emphasis on construction to someone who most probably can't draw a convincing cube yet.

>>7135305
Ill advised. The less you have to worry about when you're learning to draw, the better. A lot of things have more potential to get in your way when you're drawing digitally - any kind of notification from your device, brush types/sizes, canvas size and resolution, eye tiredness from screen exposure, etc, etc, etc.
You can just try both and be aware of things like how much you get distracted, specific tools that are making your learning process easier or harder, overall productivity after a study session, etc.

>>7135216
>rushes through Bargue
>hates that it has no words, only pictures
>rates it a 3/10

>>7135427
Well it looks better than mine so i think its step in the right direction, thanks again

>>7135446
Ah now I realize the problem: me and Pawell have opposite opinions. He wants more words, I want more visuals.

>>7135356
In other words it makes you a worse artist

Is there a guide on how to position the eyes depending on the direction of the head. I'm having problems whenever i try to draw the eyes, the entire thing just falls apart.

>>7135524
try drawing a bandit/raccoon mask on your characters face, can make it easy to see if your placement is fucked

Final project for class. Session 1 about 3 hours so far

I will use colour more often, I can’t stay afraid of it all my life

I haven’t drawn today and I don’t plan to.

>>7135572
Do you have any tips for a /beg/ like me to get to your level? What type of study is most efficient in your opinion?

>>7135574
>I haven't drawn today
why not?
>and I don't plan to
why not?

>>7135578
I suck. Both at drawing and as a person.

>>7135581
>I suck at drawing
do you want to get better at drawing?

>>7135577
Honestly man I’ve been on so many different art communities and the only people I’ve seen get better are those who just pick a program and stick to it daily, for years. Doesn’t matter if you choose loomis, or Hampton or or krenz, you just gotta pump out thousands of shit drawings before you see improvement. Most people can’t do that… So choose a program you like, analyze your mistakes and just don’t stop posting for feedback .

>>7135582
Yes, but it's too much work.

>>7135588
>it's too much work
then you do not want it enough. which is fine, but being honest with yourself will waste less of your time in general.

>>7135584
damn. honestly, thanks for the simple but reassuring advice.

>>7135596
You’re gonna get bombarded by a million different options on /ic/, but just stick to something anon and you’ll progress a lot

>>7135592
Not wanting it "enough" doesn't mean I don't want it at all.

>>7135603
I agree. I just mean that the fact that you say
>it's too much work
is unequivocal evidence that you don't want it enough to succeed and put in the work necessary to not "suck."

>>7134161
How come when I copy other illustrations, I can do them very well, but once I start trying to copy photos of real people, it just falls apart and looks terrible? Should I give up on using reference photos and stick to copying illustrations?

>>7135613
If you're bad at something then keep doing it until you're good at it.

>>7135614
I don't really know how to apply what I've learned.

>>7135613
Because when you copy illustrations someone better than you has already found the “solutions” in an elegant way, you’re copying their simplified version of a much harder problem

>>7135620
So, should I quit copying other drawings? I really enjoyed doing that and felt I had learned a lot from that, but I suppose I should move out of my comfort zone and back to using reference photos.

>>7135613
Because illustrations have solved all the problems that need to be solved to make something read correctly. When you copy a photo reference you have to solve those problems on your own. That's what you're applying, the solutions you've been picking up from master studies. You're not going to be perfect at first and maybe only one or two things comes out really well, but over time you pick up more, it's a marathon, not a sprint

>>7135627
Nah its very beneficial to copy other artists, you won’t learn much if you’re copying photos without knowing what you’re supposed to do. Copy your favorite artist as much as possible and see how theyr tackle difficult subjects

>>7135627
do both

>>7135631
I've been watching Vilppu's lectures for a while now and I started to fall apart by box forms. Spherical forms were fine for me, but once he threw in the boxes, I was confused because I didn't know if I was supposed to literally draw box and spheres or just imagine the underlying logic of those forms while I draw. My drawings went from pretty decent for my level, to being complete messes every single time. I lost it and I don't know if I can get it back.

>>7135574
Clean you room

I'm retarded and haven't done any art for the past half year even though i kinda do want to.
It's just that the end result always sucks so my motivation depeltes pretty quickly. I'd like to change that buy i'm afraid i don't posses the faustuan spirit and as such am unable to affect my fate in any way.

>>7135613
copying photos of real people is a begtrap because there are no lines in real life, you must continue copying illustrations until you know how to simplify anatomy into lines so you can apply this to photo studies

>>7135641
This sounds about right. When I copy an illustration, I actually enjoy it because I can see how the forms operate. When I copy photos, I'm just second guessing every choice I make and get discouraged. I haven't been able to finish a sketch in a week. However, how is it a begtrap if that's how all the old masters did it? They didn't have reference photos, they all drew from life.

>>7135647
The old masters already had advanced knowledge when they used real models, but since then anatomy sheets already existed to show how to use lines in real life
copy something like picrel and then try to copy a photo, you will see that it will be easier to make a certain part of the body that you copied in lines before
here's my work >>7134944 >>7134875
after and before I realized it
It all makes me wish I had realized this sooner

>>7135647
There are literally thousands of practice sheets, archived in museums, that Michelangelo would produce for his students to copy. He was basically printing proto-Bridgman books by hand, in the 1500's. He himself learned from copying Masaccio

>>7135655
>>7135656
Hmmm, I see. Yeah, honestly, I really can tell the difference between drawing a photo and drawing from my favorite artists. I think I'll try copying that picture, and maybe working from Vilppu's book alongside his lectures. Honestly, it may have been a mistake to go straight into Vilppu as a beginner. His stuff is probably meant for more educated artists, but I've still improved a lot working from him.

Thoughts??

>>7135674
why are they sniffing him

how do I draw flat chests?

>>7135680
draw a little breast tissue, enough that theyre perky and gravity doesnt act on them

This is so hilariously fucked up that i had to show here

>>7134161
any good drawing references for monsters with big upper bodies like this?

>>7135368
is that adolf hitler you drew in the middle?

The thing about pawell is that we can plot the rate of hia progress because he posts everyday for years, at his current pace he's getting out of beg in a hundred years

>>7135737
luckily humans live to 120 years old

Redline, advice, something?

>>7135713
Bit better now

>>7135737
You”re really obsessed, aren’t you?

>>7132552
I tried.

I want to draw cool stuff but i harbor a lot of self-doubt and have no work ethic to speak off.
I'll probably never finally organize and get it done which is pretty sad but i guess it's very low-level as far as "tragedies" go.

10 bunnies done. I need a break. It only took almost over 3 months, kek.

>>7135842
dam why 10

>>7135860
I have other stuff to do I wanna draw.

>>7135862
i meant why did you do 10, whats next tho

>>7135842
based long torso enjoyer

>>7135842
>week to make a bunny
:/
post collage

>>7135823
>i harbor a lot of self-doubt and have no work ethic to speak of
I had a lot of self-doubt and was very lazy some years ago myself. I didn't have any skills that comparable to drawing and didn't have much direction, so I was very pessimistic about my prospects of getting good at art and quit very shortly after first picking it up. but I kept finding in myself the desire to make good art, and I reflected on the time I've been wasting and realized that I did not want to live with the reget of not trying to get good at art - whether I was fully confident in my ability to do so or not. and a few years later I can now say that I have been drawing quite consistently (the past 6 months I've been drawing every day) and have made clear improvements. I still am not that good, but I'm in it for the long haul. I don't expect to get halfways decent until I'm at least a few more years into drawing. perhaps if you reflected more on the larger extent of your life it will whip you into shape. I'm not that old - just turned 27 - but perhaps I'm older than you. that sort of thinking comes more often with age, so maybe it's just a matter of time for you (assuming you're younger than me of course).

How is line art so much harder than portrait work
It just doesn't click anons, let alone adding color

>>7135881
Also comparison from a portait done like 6 years ago at this point
I have never come close to reaching this again

>>7135864
>whats next
I want to experiment with more black and white stuff. Maybe mech girls or giant robots, or both.

>>7135870
I will take long once I'm better I guess. Here is a lazily done collage.

>>7135881
line is conscious design

>>7135887
thanks
great girls

>>7135041

Sup beg, i apologize for my beg skull yesterday. It is really beg, i laughed when i saw it again after i slept. Now even more skulls!

>>7135887
BOOOOOBA I KNEEL
>>7135881
lineart is "medium" or style. portrait is subject. you are mixing two different topics. if you want to level up appeal / style, your best bet is to do master studies: find a manga you like and copy + analyze it down to the line. also lineart is done with ink, not a shitty pencil
>>7135773
dont be so hard on yourself, portraits are introduced later in the book. also you struggle because the reference is essentially "painting" done with charcoal while you are using the shitiest tool: dull pencil. you need to see the ref as groups of shapes with gradients, instead of trying to see lines
>>7135769
i like it
>>7135733
just type into yandex: bara man
>>7135674
dude on left has tangent with his trousers. that is confusing therefore bad. kings trousers needs more drapery folds
>>7135634
cute
>>7135572
>>7135194
very nice
>>7135477
if bargue book had it's existing text formatted and paced accordingly in-between the plates, the book would be 5/10. as it is now its practically useless for begs
>>7135406
charizard with wings
>>7134942
i kneel
>>7134844
keys to drawing
>>7134817
green stuff is constructed/from memory lmao
>>7134807
>pawell2418.github.io/p/117.jpg
its a custom brush i made when anons were mocking ai spam on 4chan which was again and again using phrase: the cat is out of the bag aka with invention of ai the world will never be the same afterwards. i made with it fanart of the pajeet behind openai and my greatest art to this day

>>7135535
i mean i know where they go i just don't know how to deform them.

>>7135010
Who is TRY? Can you link their social media please

>>7135105
ref used
>>7135940
I don't think the skull was that bad
>>7135971
character sheets
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/69214448#1

the bodyparts studies are on his patreon but it is literally 1 dollarino to access
there are some studies on his Twitter too
https://twitter.com/TryTrylsc

>>7135940
>lineart is "medium" or style. portrait is subject. you are mixing two different topics. if you want to level up appeal / style, your best bet is to do master studies: find a manga you like and copy + analyze it down to the line. also lineart is done with ink, not a shitty pencil
I suppose that makes sense,
I just want to copy little tail bronx with watercolor and some light lines.
It kind of makes me want to go back into my hole of portrait work, it was just easier to draw what I saw

I was supposed to study the eyes but got completely distracted

Anyhow I can't find good reference for the anatomical inner workings of the eyes and the eyelids, any recommendations?

>>7135981
how long did this take you anon?

>>7134527
very nice, king

>>7135998
I didn't set the time but I think it was around 40 min

>>7136010
Nice

didn't take a picture of the pencils but any tips on inking/good material for learning more about it? I just winged it off the reference but I have no clue what I'm doing, other than my lines being dogshit.

wip
>>7136018
Guptill's and Alphonso Dunn's books about drawing and rendering in ink are available on libgen.

>>7136018
Step1: Learn about shadow and light. Grayscale value
Step2: Learn hatching
-Alphonso dunn
https://annas-archive.org/md5/11eeb4080ca03769762d73f7ceb40725
https://annas-archive.org/md5/5ca33c6ee9d2ff3cbfdb67048ac06c86
-Guptill
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2445bbc682cb8a0c1cdab37bdd302c5c

>>7136043
>>7136046
Oh wow! you beat me to it.

>>7135105
Tit.

I watched the videos in the wiki. But i really don't know where to start. Anything i draw looks like a 5 year old made it.
I don't want this to come across as a troll post. I just don't know where to start honestly.

>>7135912

Hello /ic/ I'm back from the dead (doing pixelart instead of normal digital)
Its still 4/16 down here

>>7136053
This is what i followed

>>7135997
I made it too muddy, how do i bring this back?

>>7135105
Ok now it's done

>>7135136
You plan on finishing this? Looks promising

People on /v/ told me I should actually post here.
I decided to become an artist after I couldn't find a job with my degree because it seems like a romantic idea, unfortunately I'm terrible.

sketching kicked my butt today... When will it end Robbie (still very enjoyable)

>>7135075
tfw when you just try stuff and it works

can i work at the simpsons now?

where the fuck do you fags get references?

I try searching the thing i want on google and its all AI slop

plus theres the problem of a specific angle or pose that doesn't have a word for it

I kinda like this lineart but i feel like im crutching on thick lines hard
Thoughts?

>>7135981
Holy fuck anon, thanks to this, and Glenn. I finally understand how to draw. Sure it looks like shit. But i got it! Thank you anon! I used your drawing as a reference.

>>7136091
Literally me right now, my mind is blown. I finally understand art. Im 26 years old and have been tracing almost all my life. Havent even watched 30 minutes of glenn vilppu and i fucking get it

Get a grip you cuck

:]

>>7136107
Who are you talking to?

>>7136111
You, cuck

>>7136083
The lines on these feel so confident. How do you do it?

>>7135811
Great job anon

>>7134516

>>7136116
Who do you think i am?

>>7136124
You're the cuck having an aneurysm over drawing vaguely spherical boobs

>>7136126
Wrong

>>7136126
Thats me lmfao

>>7136110
Whyd you flip it anon?

Stop pretending to be two people

Today fucking sucks

>>7136135
The only thing keeping me motivated is the graph BTW.

Goodnight ic

did a charmander recently, thought it was kinda cute

>>7136143
this looks like fucking shit

>>7136146
Don't be rude to others, cuck. Go draw some more boobs

>>7136136
This is really good. Can you do a Cammy?
Did a "wireframe" from this to practice.
>>7136143
This is good as fuck. Keep up the good work anon!

>>7136150
Take your meds schizo. >>7136146 wasnt me.

>>7136136
he looks like a tranny in this drawing
>>7136123
for someone obsessed with boobs you're terrible at drawing them, they're different sizes and all fucked up looking
>>7136110
decent even if anatomy is ghastly but look at the ear longer next time instead of the rump
>>7136055
>generic tranime slop
>>7136054
>draws boxes
>still can't into perspective or proportions
pottery
>>7136043
looks like their head is inside of a vase
>>7136018
is he half t rex?
>>7135572
kind of embarrassing to fish on /beg/ init?

Who invited this cancerous crab

>>7136054

>>7136155
I started learning to draw 3 days ago hehe
(i really do like boobs)

Haven't been able to consistently draw for a minute because of time issues but getting back at it, working on my head drawing and lineart again
Just kind of struggling to figure out how to do lines in such a way that adds the most depth, I think this is my best attempt yet though so I must be starting to do something right

>>7136155
pyw fag (you won't)

>>7135572
I remember you!

>>7136228
Be hold! A man!

https://youtu.be/NbPc8VhstGE?si=Ce8DkFtcU_ECVuDh

how to do it better

>>7136251
See the outline of the reference (yellow) and then try to divide in your mind the body in different parts with shapes. Afterwards create a base layer construction with those different parts and draw over it

>start to learn digital with a screenless tablet
>art goes to ultra /beg/ tier level
help

>>7136319
We have a special case of dunny here LOL

>>7136360
dunny?

>>7136053
pick your start from these >>7135216

>>7136053
>>7135218

hey pawell if ur here, what'd you use for KtD 7C? i don't have any of the stuff I could use from the list that it mentions...
>>7136095
add "before:2021" in your image searches if you're using google

>>7136376
Dunning-Kruger. Although I don't think it's as bad as that anon is describing as he is still able to offer valid advice. Sure, his skills may not be quite to the same level as you would expect from a redliner, but he still demonstrates solid understanding of what he is talking about.

>>7136388
if only there was a blog where one could find all pawells work

>>7136417
Yeah, if only. :^)
Thanks, anon. Was too lazy to look for it myself.

speed drawing i guess?
i didn't use references

>>7136463
Who are you trying to impress by speed drawings without reference ? Get yo ass back in there and DRAW PROPERLY

>>7136465
it was for fun.
i just saw this thread and decided to draw something real quick

>>7135445
>Some of these books are solid, and I will never stop recommending Keys to drawing to beginners
Cool but it still isn't obviously for me

>>7136383
What a shit fucking book. Complete garbage.

>>7136383
Seems like something more my speed, I'll look through it later.

>>7136095
i do the poses myself
you have a body too anon, use it

>>7134301
you have good skills but are they supposed to look starved?

>>7136196
Looks like jagger as a kid

Can I get some advice on this one please? I've been stuck on it and putting it off for a while. The final "panel" is going to be giant Marina falling on Eight, but I can't decide how to draw it. Should I look up giantess and flattening images?

Something feels off. I'm not sure what though. Help?

>>7136670
i lowered the hair with lasso tool

>>7136670
I have no advise, nice girl:]

>>7136670
Her left arm looks a bit off. And her right leg is a tad too much to the right i think.

>>7136689
Thanks, yes it was her shoulders and also
>>7136720
It was this too.

Thanks anons! Ill update when i get back home from work. Sadly a wage cuck.

How did he do it? How do i get this good in 90 days?

>>7136841
swedish genes

>>7136841
He just copied faces, which is really easy and can be done by any absolute begtard

>>7136841
high iq

>>7136890
haha...

>>7136890

Took me less than 30 minutes. Im getting there.
Drawing every day really does help though. I dont think i wouldve been able to do this on sunday.

If any of you have time could you draw the same gesture so i can get the idea of how it should be please?

>>7136586
amazing!
i thought this was a beginner thread?

>>7137145
Fixed the curve on the arm. Still would appreciate the

I want this level, how can I achieve it?

>>7137332
practice, studying, and applying the knowledge from studying into your drawing sessions

>>7136689
That was what bothered me most. Aside from that I think the hands are a bit too small, and the foot should be wider.