/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Art schools may actually teach something useful now.

>>7115212
Last I saw, the "prestigious" bong art schools were teaching gluing macaroni and taping crayons to your forehead as a form of art, so this isn't much of a step down.

>>7115212
>go into debt learning about the machine that will replace you

what a scam lol

>>7115212
>Thoughts
i really want to put my willy into something.

I hope they teach them that they'll never get hired and pay off their student loans because companies will just hire third world AI sweatshops for dirt cheap

>>7115212
I was looking to enter an art uni around 2017, and the ones I looked at at were literally teaching toilet paper sculptures

>>7115212
They're about to teach an AI class at my art school. The students who told me about it are ripshit. Ethics, stolen media for generation, etc. etc. I feel like the writing is on the wall though, I don't see AI going away and if you can't beat 'em join 'em. I'll have graduated though so I won't get to take the class unfortunately.

What kind of art schools did you all go to because what the fuck. Did any of you ever draw or paint there?

>>7115254
>if you can't beat 'em join 'em
Yeah that's the problem, if everyone's fully accepting of AI, then they're enabling it all to be outsourced to jeets in the end. So yeah you're fucked

>>7115212
>>Bolsheviks teaching/learning a tech that will replace them.

They truly hate humanity.

>>7115212
Ha! Art schools continue to be shit. Why teach a student anything, when they can just pump out the slop with AI? Art Schools sucking dick and only teaching talentless hacks is old new, even Richard Williams commented on it.
You'd be better served just spending the money on some art books, some materials, and learning yourself.

They could teach that in elementary.

>>7115212
UK art universities are some of the most commercially oriented in comparison. you get starbucks and salesbury on campus, which have active contracts with the uni, spotify trucks and other franchises coming once a year. the students are told that they are "government approved artists" after finishing their 3 years and they are all in debth with some 10K fees (you only have to start repaying the state loan as soon as you earn a certain threshhold). the UK is influenced directly by whatever goes on in US unis and they will copy all the debates and drama.

>>7115278
At least back then CGI had a really expensive barrier of entry and still takes skill to do unlike with AI generation

>>7115214
Western Art schools continue to abandon teaching art.

>>7115212
>Willingly throwing away rights to feed an algorithm that will be sold by the university (this will lead to massive profits) and repurposed by a corporation so they can make millions off of it.
You would really be a stooge to allow this without demanding some form of compensation/enforcement of a contractual right for enriching them. Students who take these classes and contribute (for free!) are morons - absolute, 100% morons. Don't give your art, labour, and effort away for free! Most times student led protests are a bunch of marxist monkeys parading around novel-social issue 'X', but this is something arts students and professionals should be collectively fighting tooth-and-nail over. It is 100% worth the battle.

>>7115212
And? Students will do anything to do less homework

>>7115301
>>7115212

"Dear Students,

We are writing to inform you of a significant development in our Fine Art course at the university. As part of our commitment to innovation and the advancement of artistic education, we are introducing a new requirement that involves the utilization of student artwork for training artificial intelligence models. This initiative aims to provide our students with a unique opportunity to contribute to cutting-edge research and technology while enhancing their own artistic skills and understanding of the intersection between art and technology. Your artwork will be used exclusively for the purpose of AI model training within the university's academic and research programs. It is important to note that the rights to the artworks created by students will remain the property of the university for a period of up to ten years after graduation. This decision has been made to ensure the continued development and improvement of our AI models, as well as to protect the integrity and confidentiality of the training data. We understand the significance of this requirement and the potential concerns it may raise. Rest assured that all necessary measures will be taken to safeguard your intellectual property and ensure that your artistic contributions are respected and utilized responsibly. We believe that this integration of student artwork into AI training will not only enrich your educational experience but also position you at the forefront of the evolving art landscape, where technology plays an increasingly vital role. Should you have any questions or require further clarification regarding this new requirement, please do not hesitate to reach out to the Fine Art department or the university administration. Thank you for your attention to this important announcement.

Cordially,
Head of fine art dep. univ. prof. dr. dr. Angela R. Gladstone MBA
"

>>7115278
This is the result of unregulated capitalism, no matter how much you cry about a small secretive group of communist fishmyn.
The freedom to be exploited by the rich is no freedom at all.

>>7115212
Yeah and they teach gender theory too what of it?

Sort of on topic but are the only good art schools in the world in France & Japan?

>>7115281
Lost belt 6
>>7115375
Art schools everywhere are shit. Japan and France are better because you have more chance to meet real masters and making connection with them. In term of academic knowledge, China teach them the most but they're too serious about it their art became soulless.
Environment also affect artistic skill. For example Mikazo went to brazil for 2 years and developed a colorful style

>>7115214
>paying to “learn” a thing that you can download an app for and do in seconds
>useful

>>7115264
Yep all of these delusional 1st worlders excited about ai are going to be crying when they find themselves completely outnumbered by 3rd worlders 1000:1 and cannot complain about it without being branded a racist

>>7115212
I have a bachelors in illlustration from that university. The course is a joke. The tutors encouraged us to make zines, watch adventure time and thats it. No anatomy, perspective, composition, colour theory etc just two years of "hey, why don't we draw a picture of [something] and we'll all look at each others work".

>thing that you can download an app for and do in seconds
download the ""app"" right now and post something good you made with it if its so easy

>>7115455
>ai nigger is too stupid to quote
>ai nig pretending like his gay pictures take effort
LOL
FUCKING LMAO
kys

>>7115458
i accept your concession

>>7115455
this is you isn't it? >>7115335

>>7115446
Why did you get an arts degree in the first place. Im certian they are even more useless than my computer science with games programing degree.

>>7115464
no but hes mostly right

>>7115482
so it's you upset in two threads that people look down on ai prompting being easy (because it is) lol

>>7115484
>is this you?
>no
>so its you
low iq or esl?

>>7115455

>>7115487
because no one would lie on the internet, only esl is you AIjeet

>>7115484

>>7115212
>UK
scam country, of course they'll create courses that just make you use AI instead of teaching you anything, all for that 40k tuition!

>>7115455
>they don’t understand us ai artists bro
>proompting is so fucking hard, I have to ask ChatGPT for ideas and type words
>i spent a week learning command line interface so i can use stable diffusion and then these dalle and midjourney fags come along and think they’re one of us

>>7115519
i dont really think about SaaS fags anymore desu
its trivial to spot those kinds of gens anyway but you wouldnt know anything about that ;)
not sure who youre quoting btw

>>7115455
I got this for free

>>7115525
it's not free. it's with the blood of hard working Loomis fags who've grinded animu waifu material for 5 years at least.

>>7115519
>>7115525
You don't genuinely think these look good, r-right?

>>7115212
OP
AI art is the last nail in the coffin of trad and digital art and you can't stop the developement. settle for another job, go back to McD. it's over guys, /ic/ is going to be 100% bot-driven in about a year max it's normal. don't fight it.

>>7115523
Lmao ai bros gatekeeping each other now after screeching about gatekeeping for 2 years straight

>>7115531
Looks pretty good for something that takes all of 5 seconds and no effort on your part

>>7115539
nah i just look at those gens like doodles, because they are. no gatekeeping here

>>7115543
>its just a doodle
>but I’m totally not gatekeeping bro
>only my sd doodles count as real proompting

I love AI art

>>7115544
>a 1 minute pencil sketch is the same as a 100 hour oil painting

>>7115547
Irrelevant argument now that we have ai to do anything you want in seconds. What kind of Luddite are you talking about pencils and oil paintings

put me in a time machine right now lol

you guys ever think about how crazy it is that photography took two lifetimes to be seen as a serious art and ai is already being used in professional environments and projects lel

>>7115545
stop having fun!

you get only one

>>7115560
Well yeah people back then weren’t worthless and lazy and didn’t have their brains fried from screen addiction

>>7115562
Yawn
>i titled the file name “cleanup” to show off how hard i work on my proompts

>>7115460
i accept that you have no skills

>>7115568
cleanup is what IOpaint adds to the end of the filename after you use it
but again i wouldnt expect you to know anything about it
pyw btw

>>7115573
Literally no one cares, gatekeeping loser with no skills or creativity

>>7115579
seethe and cope

>>7115580
Seethe about what lmao

>>7115581
low iq or esl? im thinking the former

>>7115583
Ironic

so do you sit here on /ic/ all day and seethe cope post or do you mainly spend time in /beg/

>>7115254
>I don’t see AI going away
Well you and Ray Charles then buddy, with all the lawsuits and litigation surrounding it on top of it being banned/heavily restricted in the UK itself soon, it’s either going to fall by the wayside or be entirely different to what it is now

>buddy

>>7115597
>spend 4 years and 100k+ to learn how to irobot google image search
>gets outlawed
>sudden uptick in suicides statistics

>>7115592
cope seethe cope seethe
seethe cope seethe cope
Ryan Goatsling

>>7115612
>100k+
doesnt really cost anything to read the research papers they publish
which is what you should do before you try to sue by quoting some rando CEO lel

>>7115597
deepfakes of famous people are going to speed the fuck up how quickly it gets shitcanned.

>>7115628
>ai celeb porn will be banned
how does this affect me?

>>7115612
I dont know if it will be outlawed as there is too much money to be made by selling subscriptions and graphics cards to wannabe “entrepreneurs”. But yes people investing in expensive rigs genuinely thinking they are going to make a living off of this are going to be disappointed. You won’t even be able to make a passive income for fun money as there will be so many people flooding out the market

>/beg/ just bumped

>>7115660
Exactly where u belong

>>7115212
SISTERS I KEEP TELLING THE TECHBROS TO PICK UP A PENCIL BUT THE AI ISN'T STOPPING

>>7115676
Ai train moving so fast it will leave the techbros behind even

>>7115665
stop having fun
it's the law

>>7115212
tool is a tool, just feed the ai your own art and commissioned stuff with perms of the artist only no problem, also art school is a scam.

not that I like AI, but you can literally watch a tutorial and learn in 5 minutes, it's not a talent to write a prompt and as technology advances it's only going to get easier, even a 80-year-old man will be able to interact with an easy interface where all you have to do is try to be a little specific on what do you want
wasting money for this course seems extremely retarded
promoters think they're going to get rich lmao, you do whatever you want but nobody is going to pay for your crap

I don't think I've ever seen a single coherent expression in generated images.

>>7115970

>>7115254

>>7115545
>>7115561
> t.

>>7115254
>If you cant beat them, join them
Joining them means you will make AI art more acceptable, and that will lead not to you using AI without guilt, but to AI propter-free becoming a norm. You cant join them, because they are not human, they are software that runs on cloud computers. You cant join ants when they break your house, because you aren't a fucking ant.

>>7115254
> if you can't beat 'em join 'em
Do you happen feel this way about trannies

just use AI as reference

>>7115525
I can get better on google for free

>>7115970
>single coherent expression
Can you define this please

>>7116119
You would know if you didn’t have autism

>>7116120
I accept your concession

ugh you /ic/ luddites just don't get it AI is extremely hard even harder than drawing

ugh you aijeets just dont get it AI has no soul dont ask me to elaborate

>>7115212
>arts university plymouth
lmao are they calling themselves that now, that's the old plymouth art college, it's always been shit

>>7115212
Well, they've been all about that transgender stuff up til now, guess it was only a matter of time before transartists (non artist who identifies as an artist) in college became a thing.

>>7116144
>first it was a man can dress like a woman and call himself a woman, and that makes him a real woman
>then it was a man can call himself a woman, do not do anything to try to pass as a woman and even walk around with a full beard, and he is still a real woman
>now anyone can call themselves anything without being the thing or doing the things that make you that thing, and you are a bigot for questioning otherwise

>>7115278
Are the Bolsheviks in the room with us right now?

With all this bullshit and you expect people to slave away their ass for society.

>>7115212
How could the Imams allow this?!

>>7116150
Welcome to the post-truth world.

>>7116161

Is this one of those 'Computational Art' courses, that's just po-mo Fine Art, but with technology?

>>7115212
My program generally discourages the use of AI. One Chinese international student tried passing off a blatantly AI generated presentation design as her own and the tutors dog piled them for it - there were a lot of other presentations (all Asians) that seemed AI generated too, but the tutors didn't clock them

>>7115446
It's the same at my uni. I'd bring illustrations in for critique, knowing something is wrong but not knowing what, and instead of pointing me towards useful resources, they'd just recommend I go read Sin City or From Hell or some shit. I've had to teach myself all the theory basically.

>>7115212
Art school always been a scam but now it's obvious.

>>7116150
Society will heal when you fatherfuckers realise that gender is a made-up social construct and is different from biological sex. The words 'man' and 'woman' are often used as a conflation of both concepts. Calling a biological male a woman if they so wish, would be no problem because you are not obliged to fuck every woman.
We live in miserable times where people can only think with their dicks. Use your head to think.

>>7115569
>ctrl+z, pattern brushes, stroke stabilizers, 3D references (aka 3D background with cartoon rendering), lasso tools, etc...
What skills do you have, digital "artist"?

>>7115212
Found this on my granddad's computer.

>>7118259
> people can only think with their dicks. Use your head to think.
lol, lmao even

>>7115446

Their YouTube channel looks fun, but pretty vague on what the course teaches, if anything. It's all well and good having a studio space around art friends, where you can chat and draw, but for the whole course? I would like some instruction please and not just tasks. That's why I didn't pursue an art/illustration degree. Now, compare and contrast with something like the YouTube channel for Art Centre. It seems the students there are actually getting a solid art education. And, for the price of an Art Centre degree, they had better.

There's a real glut of art schools in the UK that teach bearly anything like that, unfortunately if want that education you have to either go state-side, look to the continent, pay and arm and a leg for bespoke online classes, or try the true DIY approach. Sean Sevestre, who posted on conceptart.org back in the back went to Edinburgh Art College and he wanted to be taught all the things that you wanted to be taught. But, in the life drawing class they had to draw the model, then (paraphrasing here) with the left-hand/non-dominant hand, then with their eyes closed, then cut it up. He thought fuck da noise and had to convince his parents to give him 2 years to learn how to draw by himself and make his own curriculum.

Literally the only university that has anatomy as a core part of the curriculum is the Ruskin, which is part of Oxford university lol.

Illustration is better than fine art, but a concept art degree would be better. Leeds Arts Uni has a lecturer that's actually a really cool creature designer. Teesside is not bad, either. And, they actually get industry briefs. There's also escape studios.

There's also ateliers, but most running are either in London or Edinburgh and you can't take a loan out for them and have to self-fund. Even since GCSEs British art education has pissed me off. The majority of art teacher are subpar draughtsmen, therefore can't impart knowledge onto their students. Sad, but true.

>>7116137
Trying to get some of that Arts University Bournemouth cache.

>>7115254
>>7115264
Humans are so fucking stupid at this point it's just fucking saddening.
There's a massive difference between fighting against Ai and fighting against Ai being used to kill us all. No one wants to try anymore, that's why this entire push exist, you're all useless people now.

>>7115212
AI?
Sorry I only deal in CHUCK

>>7119118
My man.

>>7115326
>It is important to note that the rights to the artworks created by students will remain the property of the university for a period of up to ten years after graduation.
Wow.... Just wow. This is just theft under the guise of "education". Worse, it is profit without compensation. These "students" are going to be enriching the university for FREE while PAYING TUITION!!!!

>>7119149
Pretty sure that Anon is just memeing.