/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7110025
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7110026
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7110027
Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

Backgrounds - resources or guides for how to execute backgrounds? Particularly for ones that you may end up drawing multiple times from different angles?

>>7109961
I re-lettered it since it was annoying me.
The font I used is A.C.M.E. Secret Agent.

>>7110044
shit. I forgot some periods.

>>7110035
Draw some boxes my guy

>>7110044
>transform-
>ed
>compli-
>cated
are you perchance retarded?

>>7110058
This is what you do when the words are too long to fit. You shouldn't change the font size to make it fit the text bubble. I'd be distracting if it changed each bubble.
How are you in a /mmg/ thread and not know about this? Even novels do it.

>>7110061
>it's an actual imbecile
why are the bubbles that size if they can't fit the text they're supposed to contain, moron? why are you using vertical bubbles for horizontal text, you stupid nigger?

>>7110062
I'm not the one who made the page... I just re-lettered it. First you called out a normal thing in comic lettering then double down?

>>7110063
it's not a normal thing in comic lettering, retard, it's a normal thing in shit tier low effort scanlations because the original is vertical, you dumb faggot

>>7110066
It took me literal seconds to find an official product using the technique retard. Why are you even in these threads if you know dogshit about the industry?

>>7110069
lmao are you illiterate

How developed do you need your manga to be before you officially start working on it?
Do I have to have a design for EVERY character? Have every major plot point from start to finish planned out? What about the worldbuilding, do I have to have thought about all the nuance of the lore, magic systems, etc.

I'm afraid of starting, getting like 3 chapters in and then realizing I need to change something in chapter 1 but I can't because it's already released.

But if I plan TOO much I'll never start it. What is the right moment?

Does anybody do their lettering by hand?

>>7110070
>lmao are you iliterate
I'll take your concession.
>>7110073
Do you mean without a font? I don't since my handwriting is shit.

>we've reached a point where we pretend one piece has good english lettering

>>7110058
Open up any newspaper, magazine, etc. where block texting is the standard and you will find this done. This is graphic design 101. I do agree that the lettering overall could be done better (if that is what you are referring to) such as not breaking the line at the suffix, but this type of thing isn't inherently bad.

>>7110044
Holy shit that font is ever better thanks a lot anon I will use it from now on.
>>7110058
It is not uncommon for words to be cut off when putting them in bubbles anon and even less so when the text is horizontal.

>>7110080
No problem! It's one of my favorite fonts for typesetting.

What pencil lead do mangaka use?

>>7110083
nobody tell him

>>7110062
That's a page somebody here drew, lol. It was drawn for horizontal text, I assume. They should definitely try to keep in mind not to force words to be broken up like that though, because it does read badly. Redraw the speech bubble bigger if need be.

>>7110066
It is a normal thing, but it's still ugly and should be avoided whenever possible. It's generally a "least bad option" solution. It's common in manga typsetting because of the horizontal-text-in-a-vertical-bubble problem you alluded to. Yes, it's generally considered a professional practice, though that doesn't mean anybody actually likes it. Other guy's right, you have no right to call others retarded for your own misunderstanding of the medium.

>>7110076
I don't think anybody was claiming that.
How would you do that speech bubble, by the way?

>>7110083
The super special lead that draws for them. I'm not letting you have any.

>>7110044
>not handwriting in kanji (with handwritten furigana on the side)
ngmi

>>7110087
People generally like to be able to read the comic, so that's a no-no.

>>7110084
I'm just curious if Japan uses our pencil hardness system or if there's some kind of special Japanese lead since Japan likes to make their own standards for things.

>>7110091
From what I know, it's the same grade system. Japan didn't really use pencils until the west introduced to them it, so it's not like they have a reason to change it.

>>7109961
>>7110044
Epic pro tip here: monochrome pngs have a much, much lower filesize than monochrome jpgs. Use those instead.

>>7110077
Not him, and I haven't read newspapers in 10-15 years, but that hasn't been the standard in magazines since the 2000s and the promulgation of digital typesetting and offset print, that's a limitation of block print. Maybe it's still common in cheap publication, but you're expected to format text so as to avoid it these days, you're much more likely to see text extending into the image than breaking away.
It real doesn't make sense to have it in the original language, it's rookie mistake to leave the bubbles until after the drawing is done and run out our space, you should have formatted the text before the sketch is done.

>>7110058
not that i care all that much but i agree that vertical balloons make no sense. it's not a "stylistic choice" mangaka make any more than speaking japanese is a "stylistic choice", they just do that because that's their language and if you speak english copying that choice just makes you run into formatting problems like words being cut midway through.
still though it doesn't really matter, just my two cents.

>>7110095
In that case does it vary from artist to artist, or do most artists like to sketch with a particular grade?

>>7110058
You guys will do the most mental gymnastics to come up with excuses to draw western comics instead of manga

>>7110102
So your manga is in Japanese, I take it?

>>7110071
>design for every character
If you're going to have them show up sooner or right away, you kind of have to. I mean, how else are you going to draw them when the time comes? But if you have somebody way down the line? Not really.

>Have every major plot point from start to finish planned out?
This has never hurt anyone. You don't need the nitty-gritty necessarily of how they get there, but knowing where you're going to go has always been a good thing. I myself have three more story arcs to go and I already have the major points written down for those two years ago.

>do I have to have thought about all the nuance of the lore, magic systems
At least get it up and running so it can take care of most things. When somebody introduces a new thing and it's clear that they only thought about it then and not before, it comes across as obvious. It isn't going to ruin a piece of media for me necessarily, but it's really obvious. But at least get it to the point where there aren't gaping holes in logic.

>>7110098
It still even occurs with modern western comics that do all the bubbles digitally, but yes, it is generally avoided. If you've read a modern comic, you tend to notice that most of the words aren't very long. Meanwhile, when dealing with Japanese translations, some words in Japanese can be a single character and in English be a lot longer.
>>7110101
I'd say just work with what your comfortable with. Toriyama worked with a B pencil. However, a lot of mangaka work with mechanical pencils due to it being more uniform. I personally use No. 2 or HB pencil personally.

>>7110102
no matter how hard you cope, you will never be japanese, and your comic will never be a manga

>>7110035
For a brief intro and some light exercises try pages 24-34 of Comics the Marvel Way: https://e-hentai.org/g/2346561/c14bf438ef/
For a more detailed breakdown and even more try Framed Perspective Vol 1 and 2: https://e-hentai.org/g/1557413/4ed735b973/ https://e-hentai.org/g/1556841/eccce2243e/
If you're working digitally look into the perspective rulers of whatever program you're using, but if you're working traditionally look into the "Brewer Method" to save yourself stapling a million pieces of paper together to make a large background shot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijKqKwVRII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOepFb-Axbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjdeFFD0ofs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7LNfWOjiM
If you want to do same location multiple angles then you could try using blender to or sketchup to make a quick mockup of the place, but i think should just make a floor plan of the location and work on your spacial awareness to know where things go as you draw like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcVweLEDR2A
And yeah draw a lot of boxes and especially learn how to carve shapes out of basic objects. It's nowhere near as complicated as people make it out to be, it's really just time consuming to get all the details down.

>>7110096
Niice didnt know that lmao, I was always struggling to get the size right, Thanks anon!

>>7110117
>tfw 2nd gen japanese american
>tfw I'm trying to make a comic not a manga
Well anon, you're half right. Hope you got that out of your system

>>7110104
>>7110117
I'm not even the op of the comic

>>7110118
Thank you so much.

>>7110114
Just a visual example of how annoying Japanese characters can be when typesetting in English. Middle is not breaking up the word, but it looks poor.

>>7110129
never pretend to understand how japanese works again, retard

Don't even respond to the schizo. He's obviously the /hyw/ immigrant who's desperately been trying to derail recent threads. You're all just feeding him.

>>7110129
I just choose vertical bubbles because I find them more stylized, I find them more interesting when it comes to drawing the page (I get the feeling that i have more space to draw, call me weird, I know)

also fuckers I have had to take the only page where I split 2 words (lol) the rest of the pages I don't split. I'm used to reading translated manga so it doesn't really bother me that there are some broken words from time to time, I also noticed that there were some anons like Montone Ink who uses vertical bubbles so I didn't find it very strange either.

stop talking about typesetting and tell me how you see the page lmao.

>>7110144
Are you the same cross boarding faggot who always keeps calling everything he doesn't like some general nobody on /ic/ ever heard of?

>>7110145
I like the page, which is why the typesetting for to me. Also, I agree, vertical bubbles look a bit better imo. I tend to make it a bit wider but usually have it tall.

>>7110147
got to me*

>>7110098
Hmm, I don't see any reason for that standard to change simply going from print to digital. I always figured that type of formatting was an English/language arts thing, as I remember it being taught in my grade school English classes looooong before I even touched a graphic design class. Maybe it's like cursive, where it used to be taught in schools, but now it's becoming a lost artform.

>>7110150
I've worked in print since the 90s to late 2000s, it's literally just type print, it's not even a part of English grammar proper, it was done because the type had to be physically arranged on the press and appropriated into handwriting colloquially. Early offset was also a pain for different reasons, but modern printing just lets you format text however the fuck you like.

>>7110167
>worked in print since the 90s to late 2000s
H-how old are you, anon....?

>>7110171
nta, but there are actual adults on this site.
Dont ask why, but we are here

>>7110171
say that to my face, see what happens

>>7110172
As other anons have kind of alluded to in prior threads, it's most likely that going so far as to make an actual comic (like seriously getting down to business, here) probably takes a kind of self discipline and dedication that is more likely to come from older folk.

>>7110145
Don't listen to them. What you're doing is correct, even if the execution could use some work.

Here, I did my own version of that one panel that seems to bother everyone here so goddamn much. As you can see, I edited some phrasing to make the wording more natural and flow a bit better. The main thing I changed, however, was where the line break was. The main idea of using line breaks is to place them in areas of the word that would naturally make sense. In this case, I formatted it so that "transformed" lied on the break between lines. Since "transformed" is a compound word, the obvious answer would be to place it between the two parts of the word, becoming "trans-formed". Visual weight is another thing to keep in mind, as the only reason this works is because the word is split more evenly this way than what you had before, cutting off the suffix (transform-ed).

Another small thing I changed was writing out the word "ten" instead of just putting the number, as it's more proper that way. I forget the exact number, but there is a point where you're allowed to put the digit instead of writing out the number, but ten is far below that point.

>>7110192
I don't understand why everyone has their panties twisted. I can read it fine, but if you had to ask me, it's the lettering structure itself that 'looks bad'. I think you also pick up on this in your change.

I also use broken up words like this, because it doesn't make it less readable or enjoyable that is unless the words become hyphenated on every line. Or, that the lines are structured in an unflowing shape (such as in the original of this example) I don't think anyone else cares that much either, it seems to be totally within personal preferences.

There are a lot of things artists care about more than consumer only types too. Something to keep in mind.

>>7110192
>I forget the exact number, but there is a point where you're allowed to put the digit instead of writing out the number, but ten is far below that point.
My understanding of the general rule (emphasis on general) is that numbers between 1-10 are always spelled out in professional work, and numbers that begin a sentence are ALWAYS spelled out regardless of how big the number is. That said, certain guides like the Chicago Manual of Style say you should always spell out anything between 1-100.

>>7110192
Thanks anon, english its not my native language so I didn't think about it at the time of when to put a line break. I will be more cautios next time.

>>7110208
This makes me sort of wonder, what exactly are the cutoffs and rules for numbers in Japanese? Because having played some Japanese games, and parsed through some Japanese manga, they sometimes use Arabic numbers, and sometimes use Japanese. In some instances, for really large numbers, they'll write the whole thing out, while in other numbers, they'll abbreviate it with the man/ban, or oku kanji, for instance.

>>7110207
That's also very true. When it really comes down to it, we are nitpicking the most minuscule parts of making a manga that most people won't spend a fraction of a millisecond giving second thought to. As long as you can read it is all that matters, and nothing from OP's page was as unacceptable as people were making it out to be. I just wanted to get this off my chest because it seemed like everyone here wasn't going to lay this to rest, as well as to offer OP some actual advice.

>>7110208
That sounds about right. I couldn't quite remember where the cutoff was of when it was acceptable to use digits instead of words. I know there is a lot more to it, but all I could remember was the higher number thing.

>>7110227
Don't worry, the rest of the page looks and reads great, especially for English not being your native language. For some reason people here like to focus on the most trivial of things instead of actually answering people's questions.

page 1/30 of chapter 2

>>7110413
Hard to make out what that second panel (on right) is, from context I wanna say its a car, but I cant tell. Other than that, good action lines

>>7110413
Some areas you could do with making them solid black. Especially stuff like the guy's face, I think. Could also maybe do with using a finer pen/marker for some of the speed lines, because it tends to kind of make everything look the same.

this is my first attempt at drawing a manga, and I have a lot of questions,
1. I'm a heavily referenced anime girl + white background fag and so I'm super trash at drawing from imagination, how tf do you do it when drawing a manga, do you find references for each specific pose in every panel? that seems unlikely, but from imagination alone I do some nightmare fuel shit
2. I'm incredibly bad at creating a layout for the pages, and have no idea how to properly position every dialogue to not be horribly bad for reading, how do you learn that?
3. My composition is incredibly basic and I have no idea how to "push" for a more interesting perspective or more dynamic pose, I usually just copied a reference and just went with whatever it had, but this is different because it has to be created by me, and I don't know when and how to push those... any ideas, I'm lost on this
well, I have a lot of shortcomings, but I'm willing to learn

>>7110444

>>7110073
Rococo anon does sometimes.
I only do the action words by hand

>>7110444
If there is empty space, fill it with something. Either thats where the text goes, or that's where there's a break, or a close up, screentone, etc. (unless you want the void has a purpose of course)
As for layout and flow, that is a skill in and of itself. I suggest faking it until you make it, just copy a manga in your genre, or something you like reading and do what they do.

>>7110444
So, first off I'm not sure what I'm supposed to read first. I'm assuming the top right is a panel, but there is text to the left which is higher up, implying I should read that first. Also, all that space on the bottom can go.

>>7110444
Dark dref/sad anime girl anon? Is this your work?

>>7110429
yeah I had the same thought a bit, but as usual I only have it once the inking is moving along
it's the tail light of the Palisade

>>7110437
I think I know what you mean
there's a few things I think I'll touch up before considering this page done
I don't really know how to approach speed lines on the grass, so like the last panel just looks odd
that's just one of the things

do you guys use references to draw your manga?
>>7110479
interesting rule of thumb, way different to what I thought, I'm gonna try that
>>7110495
I've heard that phrase of not being sure what to read first, how do you make it clear?
>>7110500
not me I think, I'm a shinobufag in other boards and sometimes lsg

>>7110555
Constantly. I even have manga on my side to get ideas or see how other artist draw things. Sites like pinterest are amazing, sometimes just looking at reference material can make the manga making process less daunting.

>>7110444
>I'm super trash at drawing from imagination, how tf do you do it when drawing a manga
you're supposed to be shit at first, otherwise everyone would do it. you can't fathom drawing from imagination now in the same way you couldn't fathom spelling long words when you were a child, you just can't remember most of that frustration because you've grown so accustomed to it after years of practice.
just read any of the intro books recommended here (doesn't matter which one) or watch the proko figure drawing tutorials (doesn't matter what order) and after some months you'll intuitively know things like proportions, perspective, and gesture. then you can try going further when you need to and learning more anatomy to tie everything together. it'll make sense when it does, don't try to force it.

>I'm incredibly bad at creating a layout for the pages
draw thumbnails for each page you make, start with one page and see how well you do and do that over and over until you get it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BZNwI1DnI
if you're still really stuck, then look at the comics you like and try recreating them from the ground up in this order: script, thumbnails, loose sketch, refined sketch, ink, tone(or color). also don't go for complex pages or action scenes to start out with, pick the first normal page of the first normal chapter of a series you like, preferably with an art style you'd like to emulate.

>My composition is incredibly basic and I have no idea how to "push" for a more interesting perspective or more dynamic pose
same as above, but this is just something you'll learn when you practice more. and don't just reference drawings either, draw from movies and tv shows you like that have especially good cinematography (if you can't decide, go here https://www.youtube.com/@TheBeautyOf/videos or here https://www.youtube.com/@MastersofCinematography/video))

again though, don't aim for amazing cinematography right out the gate. focusing on the basics is paramount.

>>7110555
>do you guys use references to draw your manga?
Who the fuck wouldn't

>>7110645

second attempt, tried letting no empty space
>>7110625
THANKS for all the advice, I'll take a good look at the resources, tysm
>>7110645
I mean references as in "copy the pose of X", kinda like doing a 1:1 copy of the composition and adding few things, average illustration practice

>>7110413
alright, I darkened Mr Palisade's face and eye up a bit, darkened the second panel's hatching to help the whiteout pop a bit more, tried to darken the detailing and wheel of the fourth panel, and thickened the drifting bursts to make them a bit more distinct, and I opted to add hatching and some detail to the grass in the last panel to make it a bit more separate of the road

>>7110650
no problem! and in regards to
>I've heard that phrase of not being sure what to read first, how do you make it clear?
you should look into page flow and lettering specifically. blambot has a lot https://blambot.com/pages/lettering-tips but it's really just basic stuff you already know but don't think about too often.
Basically, if your page is read left to right then the balloons should flow accordingly. First balloon top left, second to the right and/or below (but NOT above), and it continues on like that. Overlapping balloons can also help if you don't have a lot of space or you want to make it even more obvious (i.e. balloon 1 on top of balloon 2, etc) but don't do it too much or it gets crowded.
Your redo pretty much has it down anyway but it's a bit too staggered, so try looking here for more: https://salgoodsam.com/mc/flow-the-eyelines/ https://globalcomix.com/news/details/243/creator-tips-and-tricks-7-paneling-and-flow-in-comics

>>7110555
>do you guys use references to draw your manga?
Barring someone like the late KJG, we're not supercomputers with perfect eidetic memory. Looking at references is how we mere mortals make sure we're not getting caught up in our heads and slowly pushing out a polished turd. Reference away.

>>7110207
>>7110292
>There are a lot of things artists care about more than consumer only types too.
This isn't one of them.
Typesetting isn't some minor thing, it's seriously important for the impression your work gives. It's subtle, but the easier your comic reads the better -- and make no mistake, splitting words between lines DOES impact the legibility of the work, and should be avoided if possible. The fact that it's something you can change quickly and easy just means you have no excuse for getting it wrong. The guy DID get actual advice from the conversation, including demonstrations. You might not think that typesetting is important enough to count, but it's genuinely a critical part of reading comics, so you're just wrong about that. Readers might not call out particularly bad typesetting or particularly good typesetting, but make no mistake, it will impact their enjoyment of the work whether you want to admit that or not.
>For some reason people here like to focus on the most trivial of things instead of actually answering people's questions.
He didn't ask a question.

Anyone know how I'd get this background effect on CSP without changing any settings (like Monochrome -> Grayscale)? Specifically the fading out bubbles. I feel like it's probably more obvious than I'm thinking, but I can't seem to figure it out.

While the background gradient is simple, it's the bubbles that get me.

New artwork!
>>7110739
So do the gradient the way you'd normally do it, but use a white brush to get the bubbles (to get the glow look, blur the bubbles after). Merge the two layers then convert it to screentone and you're done.

>>7110739
Likely a premade tone. They sell all sorts of effect tones in stores.
Though of course you can make your own if you wish. That one in particular can be replicated by just soft erasing on a gradient.

>>7110760
Thanks! I didn't expect the Blur tool to work well with this kinda thing at all.

>>7110765
Soft erasing doesn't work on the Monochrome setting (unless I'm missing something obvious)

>>7110771
The obvious thing you're missing is not drawing it in monochrome. You draw it in grayscale, and convert to monochrome at the end. I know you asked how you could do it without changing that, but that is the simplest and best way to do it. You don't even need to change canvas settings, CSP has a button that turns the layer into a screentone non-destructively.

>>7110760
Beautiful! Are you a femanon btw?

>>7110792
No, just an anon lol.

Is postponing ideas for potential series I want to make but truly can't due to my poor art skills many years down the line to work on simpler stuff a good choice?

I want my "magnum opus" I've been planning for years in my mind to look amazing visually and being avoid of clear mistakes you get in beginner works.
To give you an example, Imagine something that looks as technically good or better than Ramia-Yana, but with actually good writing and a more appealing art style.

Granted I will have to grind hard for 5+ years and I have the fear that by the time I'm satisfied with my art, writing and comic making skill, I will not have a mean to publish that project online because Tapas, Webtoon and similar will probably not even exist by the time we reach the late 2020s/early 2030s, but still.

>>7110803
>Is postponing ideas for potential series I want to make but truly can't due to my poor art skills many years down the line to work on simpler stuff a good choice?
I don't think so.
>>7110803
>I want my "magnum opus" I've been planning for years in my mind to look amazing visually
you should really always be trying to make your magnum opus. just my opinion

>>7110795
I see, it's just that the way you drew the girl reminds of the way most women draw in general(more smoothly)

>>7110792
Femanons draw men, anon.

>>7110818
This isn't even my main style, I just have a shojo story to tell, so I use a shojo style.
Image is my normal style.

>>7110803
there's nothing wrong with putting off your passion project until you're confident in your own abilities, but i think 5+ years is too long. give yourself a year max and grind out as much as you can in that time, and then try to reevaluate how much your story can even include in the first place based on your own progress.
5 years is a really long time even if it doesn't seem so in hindsight, and there's no way you'll be able to actually tell where you'll be, so you'll just tell yourself you'll be "good enough" and will use that to justify adding more and more to your story because you're running on assumptions and not much else. one year should be more than enough time to make huge leaps if you're dedicated, and by the end of it you'll be able to more accurately gauge where you can go and what you can do with your art.

i'd say make as many practice comics as you can in the mean time, but actually treat them like practice. don't just make new worlds or stories for the fun of it; try to make stories that have themes or settings or ideas that will be applicable to the larger projects you want to pursue (e.g. if your huge idea is a berserk-esque fantasy story, write stories based in medieval settings and not the cool sci-fi superhero idea you just had).

>>7110803
>delaying for 5 years
Anon, no. Grind for a year, maybe even two if you have to, but not five. Work on your dreams NOW, in the present. You delay for five years and all you're going to get is the regretful feeling that you could have been five years into making your work that you wanted to all along. Don't let your dreams be memes.

Cozy Spread
>>7110803
>To give you an example, Imagine something that looks as technically good or better than Ramia-Yana, but with actually good writing and a more appealing art style.
You shouldn't have such a combative mindset. I hate goldensmurf just as much as the next guy but he's got years of experience on you, trying to out do him is just going to be frustrating. Just focus on going at your own pace. It's like that Baki quote "Someone who works hard can never beat someone who enjoys himself." Also, like with drawing, writing takes time and study to learn. Your opus probably isn't as good as you think it is.

>>7110813
This isn't manga please leave

>>7110898
Look great anon, but Im curious on what you did with the stone floor on the 3rd panel. The floor between the stones, did you hatch that?

>>7110908
Pyw

>>7110908
>The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work.
>That said, everyone is welcome here.

Is it true that drawing manga will make me a lesbian?

>>7110944
only if you do a reboot of Sailor Moon

>>7110944
Anon, you'd have to be a girl to be a lesbian.

I uploaded to imgur, but all the pages are scattered and i can't rearrange

>>7110650
Again, who the fuck wouldn't

>>7110984
Me. But I wouldn't recommend others do the same, it's mostly out of laziness when I choose not to.

>>7110912
Yeah, it's hatched.

>>7110444
1st page and already stuck lol
>>7110984
where do you even find specific poses, do you spend more time searching for refs than drawing?

>>7111001
Well i have 2 folders for that, one is "references" and another one called "manga pages" both with things i like and save for future things, and if i need an specific pose i just google it

>>7110982
Please help with this, i something to think for the next 5 days, because i will take a break since i fuck up my arm a little

>>7110988
>>7110984
I don't use ref either, not cause I'm lazy, but because I dont wanna look up poses I have in my head...wait I guess that is kinda lazy

>>7111001
Looks great anon! I love it. Post more when you do them

>>7111001
This is looking much better.

>>7111042
>>7111044
ty (will do)

Took me two years, but I'm now finally allowed plot-wise to draw the outside of the Citadel again, lol. This is a quick storyboard with ruler tools. Will make it look more worn/destroyed when I actually do the lineart.

>>7111498
Congrats anon, I'm sure a change of setting will be refreshing.
I was going to say I dont remember you having that many chapters for 2 years, but then I looked again and realized those chapters were 50 pages

>>7111498
>>7111542
Aecast anon really is dedicated

>>7110803
the likelihood of you finishing your "magnum opus" under any circumstances whatsoever is practically nonexistent and it only goes down the later you start (if ever)

>>7110803
are you >>7098594?
shut up and draw bitch

>>7110665
https://www.kamikoffee.com/drink

Car anon I don't know if you like coffee, but I feel like this is the one for you kek.

>>7110760
Why are her feet backwards?

>>7111609
what's funny to me is, I don't really
but if I had the money, I'd try the coffee and buy some of the jackets

>>7111619
I bought one on a whim fully expecting it to be shit coffee that just had some anime tie-in as a gimmick but it was surprisingly tasty. I don't normally drink iced coffee, let alone nearly pure black, but this one I did. Pleasantly surprised.

It's been a while since I have touched BPB. I guess I'm going to translate the conclusion chapters just to not let it unfinished.

>>7111610
They aren't, I should put a shadow there to better indicate it. Pic related.

>>7111665
then what the fuck is this a contour of?

>>7111671
Shit you're right, I did this on my phone real quick without thinking.

>>7111676
you still have an unexplained contour, you just drew it badly, no point explaining it away

>>7111676
Original anon who responded to you, maybe forshortening the foot would help, because at first glance her feet do look backwards.

>>7111680
quit crabbing niggerfaggot

>>7111727
Fair enough. I'll have to edit that digitally, but good fix.

>>7111736
that's not crabbing, you newfaggot

>>7111742
He admitted fault, why are you so hung up on it? That sounds pretty crabby

>>7111752
no he (You) didn't, you triggered retard, he made a nonsensical cope and I told him to just accept he fucked up and fix it

>>7110044
>>7110096
What's this series?

>>7111776
It's my oneshot, it's a deconstruction of the cat-turns-human and a reverse a-cat-is-fine-too trope exploring said entity's legal standing in japanese animal abuse laws.

>>7111783
Cool, it looks interesting
Do you have a name for it?

>>7111787
No, I plan on asking a japanese person to think of something that sounds cool.

>>7111791
Ah, so it hasn't been released yet. I was going to try to look for it to read it because it looks cool

>>7111806
Well yes, I posting the pages here as I draw them. Well not the ones against global rule 3, obviously.

>>7111791
I'd help make a logo anon! You can join the /ic/onography server so we can keep in touch :D
>>7110031

>>7110714
Nothing's ever a little mistake with you guys. Of course I know that typesetting is important to your comic, but English is not his native language so OBVIOUSLY there are going to be some mistakes there (the act of splitting words between lines in and of itself is not one, it was just done poorly in this case). I just think his time would be better spent elsewhere for the time being.

>He didn't ask a question.
Thank you for proving my point.

>post artwork on /ic/ - artwork/critique
>noooo wtf stop saying things I don't like
if you don't want critique, leave it in your drawer

>>7111817
nta but what is /ic/onography? You guys make stories together or something? Is it ever posted here?

>look at two pages drawn a day apart
>the main character looks notably different
Trying to keep everything on-model while also keeping the expressiveness you want is hard

>>7111906
Keep a model ref

>>7111914
and give it to a better artist to draw your comic

>>7111658
>>7111661
This work of yours is oddly charming to me. I never even put it together that you were the Altarusia anon until you mentioned it a few threads back. It's honestly such whiplash seeing the drastic tonal contrast between the two, but I dig it.

>>7111848
It's a /mmg/ server to post your artwork.

>>7111920
Oh it's only discord? Yeah nevermind

>>7111920
>It's a /mmg/ server
What???? We never had that. What are you trying to do?

>>7111920
I am frankly perplexed what the purpose would be given that we have /mmg/ threads to... you know, post your artwork and talk. It would be redundant.

>>7111970
discord trannies

>>7111919
Blue Parrot is me without filters and a giant internal meme so people who read either love it or hate it kek. Altarusia is an attempt to create in fact a comic with plot and stuff

>>7111783
I'm the original artist of that page and I'm fucking laughing about that sinopsis lmao.
>>7111787
It's called Mythos.

Very briefly, it is a one shot mystery where the protagonists are folklore creatures who work for the police. Imagine the world as we know it but mythos and legends exist and live among humans (fairies, kitsunes, witches, etc.)

>>7112016
Man...after reading that impersonating anons synopsis, it doesn't sound nearly as fun

>>7112029
sorry for disappointing you anon (_)

>>7110982
>>7111019
誰か? 助けてお願いします

>>7110982
>>7112067
I dont use imgur sorry anon

>>7111970
Well, considering most people here barely post shit because they don't want to be associated with /ic/. A server atleast gives them a place to post, car anon and Octagone are in it.
>>7111972
The only link to the server is in this thread. So if there are trannies, know they are lurking in these threads :)

page 2
I dunno what was going so wrong, I had to correct so much shit
but no one will have to know
think I'm gonna get the rest of the pages ready for these next chapters, just move them around as necessary

>>7111848
It's ostensibly for a zine, but nobody's actually made anything for said zine in the year-and-a-half the server's been around, so really the server is just a typical very slow discord server where some people share their work and the rest just lurk.
Ultimately, it has no real reason to exist as it is when the thread serves the same purpose, but some people have gotten help with questions so I can't complain too much. I don't approve of the idea of having a thread discord server, but I'm in there nonetheless.

>>7111935
>>7111970
It's been in the thread's pastas for well over a year.
It is totally redundant, yes.

>>7112067
Learn to help yourself dude. Seriously. You can't even figure out to just google your problem? Why should anybody perpetuate your learned helplessness?

>>7112093
>Octagone
I suck at names. Who or what, sorry?

>>7112121
He made that western comic long ago and is currently making hentai manga officially (I believe).

>>7112121
Porn/cowboy anon. I think octogon is his twitter handle
>>7112093
>considering most people here barely post shit because they don't want to be associated with /ic/.
So you're saying there are people that only post in the discord because they don't want to post here?

I need a little help here. Does this expression make sense in English?

>>7112176
kek yes
it's not perfectly natural but the only strictly incorrect grammar is get->gets

>>7112183
Thanks

>>7112176
Depends on if you mean literally chased and fucked. A more natural way to write that would be "We'll chase you down and fuck your ass for good", assuming the person saying the line is making a threat. If not, then "Your ass is gonna be chased down and fucked for good" sounds more natural. Would be helpful to know your intent because even if it's not grammatically wrong, it still doesn't sound like something someone would actually say in english.

>>7112176
Is he threatening to rape someone?

alright, now it's all split up and ready to go as I work
30 pages each for chapters 1 and 2, 12 for 3, and 48 for 4

>>7112224
Ready to go where? And why is chapter 3 so short in comparison?

>>7112207
>assuming the person saying the line is making a threat.
Yes. Well, they are demons, and this one is making a rape allegory to threaten the main character(although there are rapist demons). I will let this one slip.
https://tapas.io/episode/3136464

>>7112224
Interesting title! Where you going to post them?

>>7112176
gets* not "get" and it works

>>7112174
Yeah, plus discussion is easier within a chat room like Discord.

>>7112228
ready to go work on, as I said
3 is short cuz it is a distinct event, but just doesn't have much going on
depending how 2 goes, if there's any leftover pages they'll get moved to 3
if I do manage to use fewer pages there though, the leftover will then go to 4

>>7112231
I put chapter one on mangaplus creators already, the link was in last thread though
https://medibang.com/mpc/episodes/202403240925348860014487452/

pages 4 and 5
enter the Palisade

>>7112224
>>7112452
Nice anon. I technically just finished my ink (for my prologue) work the same day. Now it's on to tones and typesetting.
If it's a race, I think I will win.
...get it, cause you're doing a street race doujinshi?

Another page almost done, need to put the screentones (I hate that part, always the last thing I procastinate the most lol)

I'm always scratching my head wondering if the camera plans are interesting or if they repeat themselves a lot. It is one of the things that bothers me the most when drawing pages.

>>7112486
cute gorl

>>7112230
>Blue Oyster Cult homage

Huh. Now there's something you don't see every day.

>>7112499
I think is really good. Perhaps you can try some high angle shots, like for the bottom right panel.

Chapter 11:
https://tapas.io/episode/3136842

Just one more

>>7112570
Nice catch anon, I'm kicking myself for missing that
>>7112499
>sword handle with jagged teeth
Is it like Blades sword, when you gotta pick it up correctly or lose a hand?

>>7112692
>Is it like Blades sword, when you gotta pick it up correctly or lose a hand?

Yes and no. He is all of the sword, so he can make an eye or teeth anywhere. It's more like Migi from parasyte who could change the shape of the hand at will.

How do people do that shadowed people for foreshadowing in some manga panels? I forgot how they look like and i'm looking in one piece to find some references

If anybody has that kind of reference, but from other manga, would mind to share?

>>7113268
>shadowed people for foreshadowing
I presume you don't mean silhouettes... do you mean when a character darkens their expression/face?

>>7113306
If i said silhouettes, it woulds mean that the whole character is blackened, but yeah, kinda

Aaaaah spent the evening only drawing tools. I hate backgrounds

>>7113454
Yeah...they definitely aren't your strong point
But you excel with characters. Maybe that's why they look so beg, because they contrast with your very round, well drawn people, and the workshop looks so sharp and jarring.

I'm kinda understanding the idea of doing this, but I feel the timing and the flow are kinda off in this one, also does anybody have resources in how to render in manga, inking I guess
also anybody else struggles with consistency? the first frame and the later frames look so different in style, I'm like improvising

>>7113465
You might be overthinking it, close ups usually look different from regular shots, it's a nice change of pace for the reader.
I would also put "sure, names?" over eachother, so it give an actual pause to the reader, along with the comma
Sure,
names?
Read better. But that's just imo. Your 5 panel reads like the last panel. "Let's go, Come on" is where my eyes go, not to "done have a nice study"

>>7113476
thanks for the on point critique, I made the changes

>>7113483
Much more readable!

>>7113465
>also does anybody have resources in how to render in manga, inking I guess
Yeah, the uncountable manga out there. Just do what they do. Maybe watch a few videos of the authors drawing if you need more.
>also anybody else struggles with consistency? the first frame and the later frames look so different in style
Everybody, of course. It's something that slowly, slowly improves with practice. Expect to be worrying about this for hundreds of pages.

>>7113465
I'm done with inking lol

Page 7
this suv is a danger on the road

>>7112016
Is there a place I can read it or is it not out yet

>>7112241
the "what about when you meet someone faster" part was so cool

>lose 3 minutes of work
>lose motivation and don't work for 3 days
I was on a roll too

>>7114192
Well i got into a roll, and like i need to rest my hand, that shit just make it worse, if you don't feel like drawing do something else instead, like planning future chapters or organize you work space, i fuck up my hand again and i think that maybe just tomorro i could do at least one panel

>caught some local variant of the cold going around my area
>want to draw but can't stop coughing

Ugh, germs suck. I just want to draw.

>>7114292
Cough drops, sudafed, hot totties
Don't be a pussy

>>7114192
>>7114292
/mmg/ needs an editor who cracks the whip and keeps everyone on track.

>>7114484
We should hire a dominatrix


Also i will try with imgur one more time, if i can't make it do anybody else knows were i could post it or i just post 5 pages more and hope that anons had read all the past pages before too?

>>7114488
Just post more, and cross post to the old threads on your previous stuff.

what is the purpose of cutting a panel into two horizontally like this? I don't see any difference cut and uncut

>>7114501
A pause in time, to simulate an extended camera pan or shot

>>7114501
anime faggotry, in their addled minds, they think it's a slow panning shot, typically used in anime while characters are talking to avoid having to animate anything

>>7114499
Okay, i think that's what i'm doing, because now it upload in order, but when i tried to open the link on my phone it was just a gray background instead of the imgur page
Anyways continuing from
>>7095647
>>7104405

>>7114512

>>7114514

>>7114488
>>7114484
I gotchu boys.

>>7114516

>>7114518

>>7114520
And last

Know i just need to know if the story is being "coherent" enough for now

>>7114523
By the way the last 2 panels are meant to be 2 (fuck i forgot how they are called but they are to separate scenes and time) panels to cut the scene and start the last half of the story on the next page

>>7114517
Top fucking kek.

>>7114517
I didn't read the first panel, so i thought that the next one was from the real page

>>7114523
So I remember l in our last episode, our "hero" here tossed that dude into the school nurses office, and went to class. And now there's a jerk in his seat.
Here's what I like
+No text walls, good breaking up of dialogue
+Getting much better at flow, I know exactly what to read next (I think the first few pages you did had some issues)
+Give expository dialogue in good context. it doesn't feel shoehorned in there at all
+Variety in angles/shots
+Really selling the nihilistic tone of our MC here.
Here's what you need
-A translator
There are way too many spelling/grammar errors to go over. I dont know what your native language is, but you need to use something that isn't just google translate.
And when are you going to do the backgrounds?

>>7114568
>(I think the first few pages you did had some issues)
I want to reiterate, that I mean the first few pages you posted ever, not the pages here. These read great.

Do you guys tell your audience which way to read?

My life as neet is coming to a end bros,.. Just now that my rythym was getting good.
>>7114707
Only if I intended to do mangalike. But I went back on that on altarusia

>>7114024
Nop, its a oneshoot I will publish this year but not sure went (right now I will put it on standby until I finish the next SMA entry because I want to hurt myself again, also university exams in the following weeks lol)

agony
it's not even done yet

>>7114720
Maybe working will make you better use your drawing time, I dunno, trying to find a silver lining

This question has nothing to do with drawing but do you guys ever think of a title for your manga and then translate it in Japanese out of curiosity?

>>7114768
The funny thing, it's that mine sounds better in japanese

>>7114783
That’s what I think too but it might be the weeb in me

>>7114768
That's hilarious. That's literally how I got the name for my manga. I took the Japanese title:
(ジャックと豆の木, Jakku to Mame no Ki)
And did a (purposely) bad English translation

>>7114768
I'd say it depends on the titles
I've thought of tons, but I think most usually sound like they'd be cool enough just in katakana
I think the coolest of the few I'd say had any value in being translated was the title of an old idea I never did, けこやしの七鬼, the Seven Demons of Kekoyashi
no I'm pretty sure the name Kekoyashi has no real meaning, but I used it long enough while thinking of the story that it's stuck to it, don't even remember why I thought of it in the first place

>>7114707
I do this because it's always safe to assume that your readers are kind of retarded. And 90% of the time, they are

>>7114907

pages 8 and 9
trying to start working 2 pages at a time to try and move this along

Does anyone have a way to create this kind of effect/speech bubble at a higher resolution, without the jaggedness/anti-aliasing seen here?

I am using "speech_bubbles_brushes_by_flameshaft_d69k68z", just something I found online. It's good enough for smaller panels, but when you're working on 600dpi it really shows sometimes. Thanks!

>>7114979
By using the radial line ruler, drawing the spikes manually and erasing the center.

>>7114707
I believe the panelling should guide the viewers eyes naturally through the page and they shouldn't even have to think about what order it's going in

hope this is a bit clearer than usual

>>7115279
I still dont like the face in the bottom right panel, but I can 100% tell it's a face now.

Lastly, you might want to add some movement lines to show, well, movemnet. This is 100% a style choice though so no biggie

>>7115384
another (bad) example with longer one

>>7115384
Another (bad) example with longer lines

>>7115384
>>7115402
This was useful, thanks!

>>7114907
I could have gone my entire life without seeing that and been none the worse for wear

>>7114568
Well, the thing is that i'm writting directly into english, that's my pure, distilled level of english, so i might use a translator, but still proud that it's readable

>Really selling the nihilistic tone of our MC here.

Not nihilism, but something like that

hard to retroactively add motion lines on her ducking, it's something to keep in mind for when i start a drawing and not after finishing a page.

I shan’t be posting my manga ideas here. They’re too good and I know you would all steal them.

>>7115692
Ideas alone are worthless. Here's your (you).

>>7115670
Yeah that looks much more intense, well done

I thank this thread for the helpful advice, peace

>>7115755
Anon this is hilarious. You bait us with this nostalgic innocence, and pull the rug out. I genuinely would like to read more.
Also, it reads much better, my eyes know where to go next. Keep it up

>>7115762
thaanks, I had fun, I'm gonna have to do some homework on world building and story, I noticed I'm not too clear on a lot of stuff, and need to create a lot of characters desu

>>7114996
I'm working on Photoshop, and one similar option was to rotate it 1-2 degrees, then use the "Transform Again" command several times

But in the end I decided it was easier to use the polygonal lasso tool and just redraw the bubble using the low-res version as a guide. I also transformed it into a path so I can re-use it in the future and adjust the brush strokes to be softer/harder.

page 10, the racing spirit burns
got sidetracked quite a bit today, so only one page instead of two...

>>7116138
fellow photoshop user, I'm not sure why I keep with this program. It's the only thing I know since I started out in graphic design, but I see the tools CSP has, and I wonder if I should switch over. If I wasn't paying a monthly discount for this, I think I would change to a free or pirated program

>>7116168
Great hatching tradfag. Also, what's your thick inking pen?

Does adding fanservices to your story really turn people off or it's just vocal minority fallacy?

>>7116190
If it turned people off editors would have picked up on that and told authors to not do it. What gets published follows market demand, regardless of what bitching you see online.

Check-in /mmg/

Are the first three pages of your manga interesting and captivating? Does it tell you what you need to know without dragging on? Don’t lose your readers before they even start.

>>7116180
I dunno which you mean, but the thick pen I use for the panel lines are Kuretake Zigs, they're dual tipped, one of them being a 1.2mm tip

the one in places like the black shadows in the shifter is a Tombow Fudenosuke, I believe the hard variant. it's blue with しっかり on the end
I use it for most of the blacking here too, cuz the paper is too thin for sharpie.

>>7116198
This was the main focus for me. I tried to fit everything the reader needed to know into 2 pages, right off the bat.
One-Piece (which I don't really like, and only read a few chapters) essentially told the reader the premise in 3 panels. I'm a big fan of brevity, and I don't wanna waste peoples time....which ironically is what I hear One Piece does later down the line.

>>7116207
My God, it saddens my heart to see how good and soulful Oda's art was and how it is now.

>>7116217
There's over 1000 chapters spanning almost 30 years, I can't blame him

>>7116217
The man has put out chapters weekly for decades, you can't expect him not to be grinded down and left with only essentials, especially when his health is on the line. The man is a monster of manga though, litterally outsold Batman by himself and maybe with the help of a few assistance, yes the entirety of BATMAN with hundreds of authors and stories over the last 50 years.

Do you spend time fixing errors? I realized 80% of my time is just redrawing things over and over until it looks good. I could just go with the first thing I draw but I want to make something "good" so I never actually FINISH a page, I just give up and move on to the next page.

>>7116309
Ayup. There's a reason I haven't released anything. I do a error check and go into a spiral.

>>7116309
You probably just need to work on your method, put more time into storyboarding and drafting.

>>7116190
>Does adding fanservices to your story really turn people off or it's just vocal minority fallacy?
depends on what kind of story you're telling.

>>7116217
Genuine question as I'm out of the loop: Is it really that much different now? How exactly did it change? I know Oda had eye surgery and vision problems at some point, but I'm curious if that's the cause or if it was moreso a long-term shift in style as a result of working such an insane workload for decades.

>>7116489
honestly the art from the first 300 chapters is naive and sorta free in proportions, simplifying shapes in unique ways, these days he has found a more consistent style, I prefer his art now than before (picrel is last chapter's cover)

>>7116500
Modern One piece has it's moments but I still think his art peaked around marineford and he's yet to surpass the Zoro beating Mr.1 page. The new stuff is just too unrefined, it can be hard to tell what's going on. When he put out that half finished page I legit thought it was all over, and the fucking redditors trying to say that it actually made the chapter better. Although It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the current hiatus.

>>7116489
His old art

>>7116548
His new art

Bouncing a question off you guys-
I have a character that doesn't/can't sleep, how would I handle a situation where someone tries to knock him unconscious? Should his body go limp and I could just have his mind stay aware? Or should I just avoid this scenario altogether and have this character do something else?

>>7116549
his use of screentones changed, but other than that I think we're comparing mostly the paneling. To which I say that he's always done that god-awful 1 big panel surrounded by a ton of small panels thing. What bothers me much more is his writing from Wano onwards

>>7116684
REM sleep and being unconscious are two different things, so you'll need to see if that also applies to your character.

>>7116704
Hm, I have to really think about it. His body has a constant stasis mechanism with healing & regen which is why the mind is always in a functioning awake state. Reading about unconsciousness makes me think this might not even apply to him.

>>7116722
So he cant get drunk or high, or be sedated then I assume. Yeah you can either delve deep into medical books, or just make up whatever rules you want. It's your story bro, tell it how you feel.

>>7116509
That's valid to not like his unrefined art due to it being hard to tell what's going on, but I understand being under such a tight deadline means working out a system to save time wherever possible.
>When he put out that half finished page I legit thought it was all over
Wait is this true? What exactly happened? Was the page actually unfinished or was the overall art just unrefined?

>>7116548
>>7116548
Other than being flatter, the newer page doesn't look as bad as I was thinking it would be. Maybe there're worse examples, but I was expecting MUCH worse.

>>7116697
>that god-awful 1 big panel surrounded by a ton of small panels thing
Not saying that that particular example isn't bad, but isn't one of the principles of paneling to vary the sizes of the panels in a "hierarchy of scale" to guide the viewers eyes to areas of importance, with the most important panel being the biggest on the page? (albeit not done in the same way that Oda has done in that example)

>>7116837
chapter 1098 was released incomplete, even with an apology written into the cover page, cuz Oda couldn't manage the deadline if he finished it
so a lot of the chapter you can see the pencils still on the page and such.
I'm just assuming this is what anon is referring to, the recent chapters have seemed fine to me there

Quick question which way do you prefer to upload your chapters. like this?

>>7116865
or like this

>>7116865
>>7116868
Is the second one supposed to be a video? or do you just mean
>two page spread vs single page

I personally think single page is better

>>7116877
two page spread vs single page

>>7116865
I just do whatever the best rated mangas do

>>7116865
I always do single page.

>>7114292
Just draw. The flecks of phlegm on the paper will add character.

How many pages should a chapter be?

>>7116948
as long as you want
weekly manga is usually between 14 and 20 though as an idea

page 11
giving chase
just as an opening comes up

>>7116948
Around 19 pages, but obviously there will be exceptions. Your first chapter can afford to be longer to cover exposition and set up plot (It essentially acts as your "thesis statement" for your manga)

>>7116979
Do you do the text in post?

>>7116994
yeah, I try to leave the pencil in, then I remove it and type it in after it's scanned
prolly should stop for a bit and do that for these pages so far

I finally done. Inked, toned, typed.

Now I just need to figure out where I should upload it.

>>7116948
As other anons have said anywhere between 15-20 pages, but it's always up to you as to how long you want them to be. I mean, we got an anon making chapters around 50 pages a pop.

>>7116684
Have him pretend to get knocked out so he can jump his attacker.

Trying a new style

>>7117045
She looks way more mature here.
In your current stuff, she looks like she can be anywhere from 17 to early 20's. Here she is in no way younger than 24.

>>7117045
Agree with >>7117061, this works for an older version of her. It's not worse, just fits an older girl.

>>7117009
If you are talking about me, i'm doing 50 pages because it's the first chapter a d i'm used to see +50 pages on first episode on the mangas i read

>>7117061
>>7117080
what about now?

>>7117105
Younger there, but still an adult no doubt. What age is she supposed to be?

>>7117105
Would you mind posting an older pic from the previous style for comparison purposes?

>>7117114
she is supposed to be 15 to 16

>>7117121

>>7117128
I'm still trying to think it over and I think the older style might be more appropriate for her mid-teen years.

>>7117134
I suppose the fewer lines, the younger it looks.

>>7117142
Yeah you nailed her age with your original style. New stuff looks good though

>>7116316
drafting never ends because I keep realizing it could be better or I end up going back to the first idea and wasted 2 hours on literally nothing

>>7114517
Requesting for new thread image when we reach page 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDQrr9OkimQ
I'll leave this masterpiece of a video here

>>7117241
yeah, but doing that is completely unsustainable, you're not going to get anywhere until you take a step back and reassess. Do you actually know what you're doing or are you just throwing drawings together until something works? If you know the theory then it shouldn't take more than a couple storyboards to land on something you like.

>>7117045
>>7117142
It's mainly the longer nose/face. I think you could get away with a more detailed style as long as you keep proportions in mind to make her look younger. She is still very cute here, but be careful with your use of detail in order to retain that cuteness.

>>7117142
Stubbier legs also sells her as younger

I'm uploading to pixiv for the first time...
what the heck is the difference between R-18, and R-18G?

Aaaaaaa somebody bake

>>7118101
I dunno if you got an answer elsewhere yet, but
r18 is regular nsfw, your horny stuff
but r18g is gore stuff

>>7118137
Anons would, but then people like >>7117245 do nothing but bitch that its not at page 10 yet.

>>7118188
I just threw in that page 10 bit because there was some people were bitching in last thread >>7103729
I dont give a fuck, I'd just rather keep the drama to a min, but here you are.

I think I get it now bros

I think I get it now

>>7118324
There you go! You're getting there with the proportions, now another thing to keep in mind is the sharpness of the facial features and jawline. Sharper features done in straighter lines will make her look older, as well as look out of place on a younger head, so be sure to draw them similarly rounder!

>>7118330
Good job altarusia anon. This clearly shows the differences in age.

>>7118330
Ayup
The cheeks chico, they never lie

>>7118242
>>7118188
>>7118137
the difference between page 9 and 10 are negligible at best, someone make a new thread

New thread: >>7118628